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| Sarah Hoyt: If They Take Milo Down, You're Next |
| 2017-02-22 |
| ...IF the attack on Milo were about, say how outrageous he got before the election (he’s been walking it back since. I suspect he gets a little battle mad as I tend to.) I’d shrug and say "whatever". However this is a contrived and false attack and one that apparently came from the right but is teaching the left the way to take every one of us down. You might not like Milo or his lifestyle, but you should not under any circumstances, applaud this means of taking him down. And if you do, I hope you experience likewise and get to experience what you like so much. There is a good chance you will. They’ve tasted blood with Milo. We’re next. Links: the full unedited thing The other full unedited thing Milo’s press conference. Possible McMullin involvement Milo fighting pedophiles: here, here and here. And now, what I have to say.* If You Let Them "Get" Milo, You’re Next Look guys, this is where Sarah takes her gloves off, turns the picture of Heinlein to the wall to spare him the worst of the rant, puts her hands on her hips and gives you the blunt and painful truth. I swear you’re not going to like it and I swear to you that you need to hear it. So, this kerfuffle with Milo Yannopolis, let’s be frank: have you seen the non-edited videos? Have you been to his page? No? Then shut up. He might have used infelicitous terms, but not all that infelicitous. He might have got caught in explaining too far ‐ as someone who used to write for Classical Values, the blog devoted to overthinking it, I can’t complain ‐ but he’s always been a bit more intellectual than the rest of the right and VERY intellectual for a shock-Jockey. But that is it. Yes, he used "boys" when he meant men. So do you, every fricking day. No? Then what’s with Playboy, "one of the boys", "playing with the big boys." Unless you mean kids under the age of 12, you too used boys to mean men. Second he talked about relationships between younger men and older men as nurturing, comfortable. Yeah, and? He also said that he thinks the age of consent is about where it should be. And for the US he is right. The US, you say? What does that have to do with it? Well, dear heart, if you think that the age of consent being 18 (it’s actually 16 in most states, but never mind) is a law of nature, you should perhaps meditate on George Bernard Shaw’s dictum: Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature. This is where Milo got into overthinking, when he started discussing how strictly speaking pedophiles are attracted to those people who haven’t undergone puberty (or are undergoing puberty.) He’s absolutely right, but he was perhaps over-intellectualizing. The truth is that laws of consent usually slice the do no harm/prevent harm very finely indeed, and are set when most of the population of the country can be assumed to have passed through and undergone puberty. I wrote a paper on this once. Pedophilia is defined to prepubescent children. (a) Most child molesters are not pedophiles (Birger et al.(2011). J Am Acad Psychiatry Law, 39(1), 100-103). (b) Attraction for post-pubescent is defined as hebephilia toward girls involved and ephebophilia toward boys. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
#18 It's just that I loathe organized propaganda from any direction. And yet you seem to have fallen for it so effortlessly. |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2017-02-22 21:43 |
| #17 DepotGuy, ALT-RIGHT, as defined by the left, are white nationalist nazi's. Milo tried to claim to be leader of the group but I don't think he was ever successful. CTRL-LEFT, is a wonderful term I ran across yesterday to describe the far left. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2017-02-22 18:24 |
| #16 Found the Bill Maher reference here, courtesy of Instapundit. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2017-02-22 17:21 |
| #15 Let's not forget Lena Dunham bragging about how neat it was to sexually assault her sister. Oh, and the name of her show, Girls, is not a reference to children. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2017-02-22 17:19 |
| #14 Best thing about this story is its drawn George Takai and Bill Maher into the same trap I've twice posted the link in threads here to Mr. Takei laughing about having been molested by his camp counsellor when he was 13, though he hadn't previously contemplated the idea of being gay; I shan't add a third. But Bill Maher? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2017-02-22 16:29 |
| #13 Absolutely correct, rjschwarz. Salon and other sites very busy right now cleansing their posts. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2017-02-22 16:06 |
| #12 Best thing about this story is its drawn George Takai and Bill Maher into the same trap. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2017-02-22 15:11 |
| #11 Was it offensive that I misidentified Ms.Hoyt as Alt-Right? Damn straight it is - you should read her post. In fact you should read her books. Re "NeverTrump" sorry, I just felt like showing how easy it's to throw labels around. It's just that I loathe organized propaganda from any direction. I loath gravitation, and aging, and a million other things. Them are the breaks. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2017-02-22 13:56 |
| #10 Sarah Hoyt is not alt-Right. Hey,sorry, as I said I don't entirely understand the definition. But just so we're clear. Was it offensive that I misidentified Ms.Hoyt as Alt-Right? Or was it more offensive that I pointed out the Alt-Right defends perverts? As far as the calling me a NeverTrumper - not so. It's just that I loathe organized propaganda from any direction. |
| Posted by: DepotGuy 2017-02-22 13:39 |
| #9 If this was from 2016, it would support SteveS' theory. If you think what Milo said is immoral, tune into MTV. And Milo's behavior is not an outlier in a few circles, not much of an outlier in some large circles. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2017-02-22 13:38 |
| #8 The Left was OK with gays, perverts and child molesters as long as they toed the correct political line. This has all the hallmarks of yet another well-orchestrated Outrage du Jour. It is becoming tiresome. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2017-02-22 13:22 |
| #7 Sorry. I never read anything he wrote. I'm always leery of people who always turn every conversation to sex, especially perverted sex. It's just too tedious. I didn't like the riots at Berkeley. I thought the rioters should have been arrested and the Berkeley admins should have been sacked for their spinelessness. I think Milo has every right to say what he wants. But I wouldn't have gone to see him myself. Sorry if Milo was a victim. Maybe he can start his own web site. I won't visit it but he has every right to do so. I just don't care. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2017-02-22 13:05 |
| #6 Now you crossed the line, DepotGuy. Sarah Hoyt is not alt-right. You, on the other hand --- as anybody willing to go over your posts since the elections, are are another neverTrumper. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2017-02-22 13:01 |
| #5 You know, I never quite knew what defined the so-called 'Alt-Right'. But this and a couple of the other posts have given the subject much more clarity. They are people that are willing to defend their own, even if he's a pervert child molester, and blame it on anybody who they perceive to dislike President Trump. Got it. |
| Posted by: DepotGuy 2017-02-22 12:49 |
| #4 This also gives cover and legitimacy to the Deep State's SA that currently occupies our college campuses. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2017-02-22 12:34 |
| #3 All of a sudden the left cares what people do and say? Inconceivable! |
| Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 2017-02-22 11:50 |
| #2 I think the angry left gay mafia took him down because they couldn't stand to see a Republican openly gay man being politically active. Much like SCLC, the NAACP, and the left tried to an continue to try to take down Clarence Thomas because he had the nerve to be a black republican. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2017-02-22 11:07 |
| #1 I'm not a fan of Milo, but he fell on his sword to protect the Trump agenda. Kudos to him. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2017-02-22 06:10 |