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Economy
If Solar And Wind Are So Cheap Why Are Energy Prices Rising?
2018-04-27
[Pirates Cove] Don’t misunderstand, I support the use and expansion of alternatives, and definitely more than lots of Warmists/enviroweenies, since they support them in theory, but, there’s always some reason they do not support when being deployed. But, they seem to be driving up the price of energy, as Michael Shellenberger points out.
If Solar And Wind Are So Cheap, Why Are They Making Electricity So Expensive?

Over the last year, the media have published story after story after storyabout the declining price of solar panels and wind turbines.

People who read these stories are understandably left with the impression that the more solar and wind energy we produce, the lower electricity prices will become.

And yet that’s not what’s happening. In fact, it’s the opposite.

Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.

And yet ‐ during the same period ‐ the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically.

Shellenberger goes through the facts and figures, and I’ll leave that up to you to read it all. But, it’s not from the price of nuclear, coal, natural gas, and other tried and true, reliable energy sources rising. Nor the closure of nuclear plants. So, why?
Posted by:Besoeker

#13  All their ideas are stupid/

How Solar And Wind Are Causing Electricity Prices To Skyrocket
Posted by: newc   2018-04-27 15:12  

#12  but wind farms powering everything is just daft.

Draft, RJ...draft.
Posted by: Skidmark   2018-04-27 14:50  

#11  The use of solar and wind lead to price increases because: Dark and Suck are increasing.
Posted by: ed in texas   2018-04-27 14:34  

#10  They have to pay for more Ice Age Global Warming Man Made Global Warming Climate Change Climate Adjustment (WHEW!) testing.
Posted by: Roth LaDoad   2018-04-27 14:30  

#9  They have to keep coal plants online in Pennsylvania to keep everyone from freezing to death in New England during the winter because the stupid New England NIMBYists refuse to have natural gas pipelines built in their precious territory from the gas-abundant states west of them.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2018-04-27 14:23  

#8  Take care of your basic A/C energy needs through creative architecture and the next hurdle is the common refrigerator/freezer. Fix those and the rest is easy easier workable.
Want power tools, welll... Get a waterwheel?
Posted by: magpie   2018-04-27 13:35  

#7  Solar and wind might be efficient enough to take ones house off the grid with a bit to spare, the solar pavement I saw might be something to consider, but wind farms powering everything is just daft.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2018-04-27 12:19  

#6  The cost of Chinese tech (and it's all chinese tech) used in energy producing devices keeps rising although cost of labor and raw material production is fixed.
Posted by: Skidmark   2018-04-27 12:17  

#5  But ... but ... I see sailboats!
Posted by: gorb   2018-04-27 11:50  

#4  Anyone notice that the merchant marine gave up sailing ships long ago?
Posted by: Procopius2k   2018-04-27 10:08  

#3  "The alternative energy people flat-out lie" is all that's needed to be said!

It's debatable whether green wind totems will make enough energy to replace that used to construct and place it. Let alone work out with the time value of money costed into it.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2018-04-27 09:38  

#2  The alternative energy people flat-out lie about the ability of solar and wind to provide baseline power and demand that oil and gas and coal fill in the gaps at the same price as if they were used to provide baseline power, which they can't, because for them providing intermittent power is much more expensive on a capital basis. Thus it both becomes more expensive and the firms doing it are financially strapped. They have to keep coal plants online in Pennsylvania to keep everyone from freezing to death in New England during the winter when there are low wind and sun generation periods but the amortization and duty cycle is all screwed up. The greenies won't say this but they see that as a feature, because they want to screw actual working people out of jobs. They're more or less the ideological descendants of the neo-confucians who screwed up China so bad they spent nearly a millenium overrun by either Europeans, Japanese, or homeless people Mongolian Nomads from Central Asia.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2018-04-27 09:09  

#1  So, why?

Um, because we're being lied to again?
Posted by: Raj   2018-04-27 07:52  

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