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Israel airstrikes kill 8 children, flatten building housing Associated Press, Al Jazeera offices
2021-05-15
[NBC] Israeli warplanes pounded the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least eight children in a refugee camp and flattening a high-rise building housing the offices of international media outlets as Hamas unleashed a new barrage of rockets targeting central Israel.

The bombardments — for a sixth consecutive day — fed fears of a return to all-out war between Israel and the militant group Hamas.

U.S. diplomat Hady Amr
Nah — the Lebanon-born American who only works for Democratic administrations is merely one of Secretary of State Blinken’s senior aides....
arrived Saturday in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv to meet with senior Israeli and Palestinian officials to push for calm, though sirens blaring throughout the city to alert incoming rocket fire signaled the conflict showed no signs of abating.

One rocket hit a neighborhood in central Israel's Ramat Gan, where raw footage showed fire and debris in the streets. The Magen David ambulance service said one man died at the scene.
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Posted by:Besoeker

#55  The Hamas op at the building have been only a secondary site for Hamas until the bombing of the main tunnels in Gaza City.

Subsequent to that bombing a lot of the Hamas op comm traffic may have been transferred to the building in question. The IDF must have a lot of signal intel on this but may not want to reveal too much of it.
Posted by: Lord Garth   2021-05-15 21:32  

#54  One wonders if the reason Hamas intelligence & AP share a building is that they share personnel?

Of course they do. They're on the AP payroll as "stringers". They help the AP get good camera angles for the upcoming attacks.

Just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this arrangement has been going on much longer.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2021-05-15 20:46  

#53  So, Wise Guy, why don't you suggest how to execute this TV-Less war? No answer, right?
Posted by: Frank G   2021-05-15 18:34  

#52  "Sri Lanki finally decided to ignore the 'world diplomats' which demanded 'peace talks' and 'cease fires' (which they had followed for several cycles of violence-talks/rebuild-violence) and simply continued to crush the brutal Terrorist organisation into Oblivion.
Sometimes you just have to do that." No one on countries that supported Sri Lanka cared about Tamil Tiger. You as military commander take consideration of landscape, industrial logistics as necessary to maintain a permanent fighting capacity . I defend that Israel should age a permanent ar against Palestinians terrorists, but not by putting it in the T screens because that makes international politics having to act. Is that so difficult to understand?
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 18:30  

#51  I can understand why people like a high tempo, especially when it comes to killing moslems.

But high tempo in this business is always of the devil. One escalates only when one has established escalation is being forced. Right now the enemy is whining about hudnas and waving around dead babies. The Israelis are doing the smartest thing they can in the circumstances. There's a whole international community full of f#ckers and their MSM ball lickers waiting to amplify the Israeli action into some giant war crime like they gang up on everything and everyone [Trump].

I just hope some yellowbellies in Tel Aviv do not convince the leadership of some pansy de-escalation or compromise when they are doing so well.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-05-15 18:04  

#50  ^Patience Darth. Timing is everything.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 16:17  

#49  I'm still for bulldozing Gaza right into the sea and turning it into a giant theme park.
Posted by: DarthVader   2021-05-15 16:02  

#48  ^Don't have to - all decent human beings are already with us.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 15:30  

#47  would it be wrong for Israel to go on a GLOBAL media campaign?
Posted by: Sluse Grealet9429   2021-05-15 15:18  

#46  Anyone heard fo the Tamali Tigers lately?

Sri Lanki finally decided to ignore the 'world diplomats' which demanded 'peace talks' and 'cease fires' (which they had followed for several cycles of violence-talks/rebuild-violence) and simply continued to crush the brutal Terrorist organisation into Oblivion.
Sometimes you just have to do that.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2021-05-15 15:11  

#45  Here is something for you Platypus
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 14:56  

#44  Kiss, kiss, platypus.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 14:52  

#43  "TW, you know I grew up in Russia. Take my word for it, the only way you can convince somebody like Platypus - is to make it close & personal."

Oh the typical inept brutish Soviet playbook. A desert of ideas, 70 year of cultural death...
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 14:51  

#42  "So possibly they see no point in sharing"

That is the way to defeat, you never give up.
You are always telling your story, if you don't tell your story you will disappear because you don't get allies.

Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 14:33  

#41  TW, you know I grew up in Russia. Take my word for it, the only way you can convince somebody like Platypus - is to make it close & personal.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 14:28  

#40  ^ very well said. Exactly so
Posted by: Flock Gonque1328   2021-05-15 14:25  

#39   I am sure IDF have the map from where the rockets were fired from civilian places. Well they should make a campaign and/or put the data online for others to do it.

That would be fun, yes. Though they tried that with the UN and Hezbollah’s storage locations, and their maps and photos were universally ignored. They tried it again with Iran’s nuclear bomb research and production facilities, and even after they emptied the warehouse under Iran’s collective nose, and showed the documents to the world again, along with maps and photos, nobody bothers to believe them. So possibly they see no point in sharing., when it will only be ignored while informing the enemy what they need to move elsewhere.
Posted by: trailing wife   2021-05-15 14:09  

#38  It is documented that Hamas, among others, carefully makes use of human shields, placing their weapons caches, various headquarters, and fighting positions inside and under UN schools, mosques, hospitals, and international business offices.

As for the media talking about a media building being destroyed instead of saying that they are providing protection for their terrorist friends, unwilling hostages might indeed announce such a thing once they felt safe to do so, but it isn’t fair to expect fellow travelers to say something that will queer the deal. All international journalists there on assignment are volunteers for the location who could easily be working elsewhere in the world.

Who now remembers the foreigners who went to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to act as human shields in 2003 against the coming American invasion? And them mugging for CNN’s camera as they sat chained together, too.
Posted by: trailing wife   2021-05-15 14:03  

#37  You don't get it. This is a great opportunity to denounce the media support for Palestinian terrorism and win a victory at several battle levels.
Instead you choose to loose.
Victory were every weapon contributes to win a war at several levels, in business terms maximize profit, exploiting the opportunity, all simple war concepts that are absent.
I am sure IDF have the map from where the rockets were fired from civilian places. Well they should make a campaign and/or put the data online for others to do it.
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 14:03  

#36  ^A client country? Ah well, maybe Mossad has kompromat on Kamala (the staff on Hunter is useless).
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 13:58  

#35   I don't think Biden will ask for Israel's input on this question, Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589.

A country can refuse to accept the credentials of a proposed ambassador, and can PNG (persona non grata) members of the diplomatic staff.
Posted by: trailing wife   2021-05-15 13:54  

#34  You can't just attack the building without exposing the reasons for that.

You feel we owe you an explanation?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 13:49  

#33  And you can attack a building destroying its interior instead of what Palestinians are doing to Israel building.
Israel have technical advantage why to not use them?
Now imagine if the media had only images of destruction in Israel...
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 13:49  

#32   ^One wonders if the reason Hamas intelligence & AP share a building is that they share personnel?

Precisely. And what is the way to make it cost heavily for AP and Hamas. It is to make a campaign denouncing AP-Hamas cooperation at same time that you attack the building.

You can't just attack the building without exposing the reasons for that. All media titles say Israel attack a "media" building.
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 13:43  

#31  Another point to consider.
AP personnel evacuated. Hamas personnel evacuated. But the children ...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 13:41  

#30  that was for #27
Posted by: Frank G   2021-05-15 13:29  

#29  ^You're not convincing anyone with that drivel
Posted by: Frank G   2021-05-15 13:29  

#28  ^One wonders if the reason Hamas intelligence & AP share a building is that they share personnel?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 13:28  

#27  "Our daily: "Why won't they just die?"

That is the question you should ask yourself. How the Hamas operation was disturbed by this attack?


Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 13:27  

#26  Associated Press CEO Gary Pruitt Confirms the AP Works in a Hamas Operated Facility

Specifically: The building Israel blew up is actually an intelligence facility for the terrorist group Hamas. This is a statement of objective fact that is not actually in dispute.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 13:25  

#25  
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 13:23  

#24  ^ Our daily: "Why won't they just die?"
Posted by: Frank G   2021-05-15 13:16  

#23  
Posted by: Unusing Platypus5935   2021-05-15 13:07  

#22  Shouldn't the U.S. have told the journalists and their employers to try and ensure their own safety?
Posted by: Clem   2021-05-15 12:29  

#21  AP statement on Israeli attack on building housing AP office

...We received a warning that the building would be hit. ... The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today. - only the parts that believe you.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 12:23  

#20  U.S. tells Israel to ensure safety of journalists after Gaza strike

Or else?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 12:18  

#19  killing at least eight children

'Or seven and a half. Or maybe nine. No, maybe six boys and a half girl half goat.'

Cheers for hitting the media. Teach them that Gaza is now closed for business.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-05-15 11:57  

#18  Note the falling bomb.

Posted by: Skidmark   2021-05-15 11:54  

#17  Gazooks know they can't win militarily so their strategy is to win a propaganda victory which our main stream media is only too happy to give them.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2021-05-15 11:48  

#16  But the reason Hamas would do it is so they can tell the media all about how the Juice killed their children, thereby winning sympathy from soft headed Western liberals.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2021-05-15 11:46  

#15  Why would a state led by decent humans place an ammo dump among civilians?

Gotta remember, we're not talking about decent humans here. We're talking about Hamas.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2021-05-15 11:43  

#14  Rocket attacks are now coming from Syrian territory.
Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2021-05-15 11:34  

#13  Ignored the warning to leave - or were prevented from leaving by Hamas (or their own 'parents')
Posted by: CrazyFool   2021-05-15 11:29  

#12  WRT #10, right after 9/11 a number of pisslamic spokescreatures said "there are no civilians." So, it's their own call.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-05-15 11:15  

#11  #9 When we start thinking like them, they'll become extinct.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 11:14  

#10  #8 (a) Just because Hamas says 8 children were killed doesn't mean there was even 1.
(b) IDF always warns and gives time to evacuate when civilians are involved - so, if there are 8 dead children, the ones who ignored the warning are at fault.
(c) If my son is a legitimate target, then every "Palestinian", and every liberal, in the World are legitimate targets!
(c)
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 11:12  

#9   Why would a state led by decent humans place an ammo dump among civilians?

Sounds like Israel's leaders think like Islamic jihadists
Posted by: Flater Forkbeard8651   2021-05-15 11:08  

#8  Wrong. The Ham-ass deliberate decision to place Ammo Dumps in civilian populations - under schools and hospitals - is what killed the 8 children.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2021-05-15 11:00  

#7  #3 ... Police uncovers firebomb cash[e] in Lod mosque
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 11:00  

#6  ^I don't think Biden will ask for Israel's input on this question, Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 10:58  

#5  Rome plows. Works very well.
Posted by: Fat Bob Omavith8054   2021-05-15 10:56  

#4  I heard that Israel rejected Biden's choice of ambassador to Israel.
Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2021-05-15 10:51  

#3  #2 You could add the West Bank & "Israeli" Arabs to Gazans, Besoeker. In fact, IMO, you could add all Muslims living outside Dir El Islam to that list.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 10:40  

#2  It's never really worked with the Iranian proxy Gazookians. It will probably never work. I suspect they need to go elsewhere, or be put to the sword. Sounds harsh, but are there any other remedies or solutions ?
Posted by: Besoeker   2021-05-15 10:32  

#1  killing at least eight children

The usual objective reporting.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-05-15 10:27  

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