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‘We don't need your flying trash': Misunderstanding scuttles transfer of 41 Australian Hornets to UA
2024-02-02
[Yahoo] A senior Ukrainian Air Force official refused an offer from two Australians to receive 41 of the country’s decommissioned F/A-18 Hornet fighters, bluntly stating that "we do not need your flying trash," reported the Australian Financial Review on Jan. 30.

This statement effectively killed the deal, highlighting a stark misunderstanding between Australia and Ukraine amid Ukrainian pilots' desperate attempts to evade Russian aircraft.

The incident occurred as Ukraine was navigating the challenges of avoiding Russian fighters, revealing a significant miscommunication between the two nations.

Australia stands as the world’s seventh-largest military spender based on purchasing power, according to the Lowy Institute. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese claimed that Australia is among the top military aid donors to Ukraine outside NATO.

Nevertheless, the relationship between two countries’ military has been strained by reluctance from Australian Defence Ministry to fulfill Ukraine's requests for surplus equipment. This includes the MRH-90 Taipan helicopters, which were already being dismantled when Ukraine requested them in December.

Unlike many other countries, Australia has chosen not to reopen its embassy in Kyiv, diminishing direct contact between the nations.

Read also: Latvia to provide Ukraine with helicopters and howitzers in new aid package

Ukraine's government, including President Volodymyr Zelensky and his advisors, sends mixed signals about its military needs, complicating negotiations.

The idea of Australia providing Hornet fighters was initially proposed in March last year, and by two months later, news emerged that the U.S. government was "favorably disposed" towards the transfer of the aircraft, which had been in service with the Royal Australian Air Force since 1984 and were retired in 2021.

The Hornets, designed for aircraft carriers, have robust landing gears suitable for Ukraine's war-damaged runways, enabling them to take off and land on short strips.

Ukraine, however, began discussions with the U.S. and European governments for the less robust F-16 Fighting Falcons, fearing the logistical challenges of operating two types of foreign fighters simultaneously.
Posted by:Skidmark

#9  It's another Denis Davydov. This one works for Regnum.

Ah hah! The would explain the big difference in tone between the Regnum articles and the Youtube channel. I appreciate the correction.

So, is Denys Davydov Ukrainian for Ivan Ivanov?
Posted by: SteveS   2024-02-02 19:44  

#8  two professional pilots

Not a valid sample size for statistical correlation.

Tom Cruz, married to Penelope Cruz.
Posted by: Skidmark   2024-02-02 12:52  

#7  ^ Not in Finland. ;-)
Posted by: Chuckles Poodle9571   2024-02-02 12:40  

#6  One of the quotes from that movie is, "It's not the plane, its the pilot."

How many Ukrainian pilots are there who know how to properly drive this thing, or will they be c

rewed by "Ukrainians".

There is talk, I'm not a fan of any of this but that is a valid point, about real world testing of weapons systems; that works both ways and if these things just end up as Team Russia target practice, that's no good.

This line has me a bit worried about the article as a trial balloon.

The Hornets, designed for aircraft carriers, have robust landing gears suitable for Ukraine's war-damaged runways, enabling them to take off and land on short strips.

Indeed; but the frame has a bit of help in the takeoff and landing using Aircraft Carriers.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2024-02-02 11:43  

#5  #3 It's another Denis Davydov. This one works for Regnum.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective   2024-02-02 11:18  

#4  "ed in texas", do you have an intelligent response to what two professional pilots said of the F/A-18 other than your usual low IQ derogatory comments towards Rantburg contributors? (Enver Dinle4916, also in Texas)
Posted by: Enver Dingle4916   2024-02-02 11:01  

#3  Denys Davydov says Ukraine would not turn down F/A 18 Hornets

Notice the phrasing here: "would not turn down" vs "this never happened"
We have seen Davydov's byline on some of the articles Badanov has posted.
On Davydov's Youtube channel, he comes as intelligent and likable. Also extremely pro-Ukrainian, which is not surprising what with him being Ukrainian and all, but it does makes him overly optimistic IMHO.

Speaking as a Hornet fanboi, it is not an air superiority fighter, but would be just the thing for lobbing bombs and launching long-range missiles. I suspect this is just Zelensky being pissy about not getting a fleet of F-35s and the Hornets will eventually be welcomed.
Posted by: SteveS   2024-02-02 10:23  

#2  'Tom Crews', huh? Got a dingle issue there, Dingle?
Posted by: ed in texas   2024-02-02 09:02  

#1  Ukrainian pilot Denys Davydov reported that this is false in his daily Ukraine war report yesterday. Denys Davydov says Ukraine would not turn down F/A 18 Hornets. An American Fighter Pilot in the below video at the 2 minute mark says the F/A 18 Hornet is "Pure Love". The F/A 18 Hornet was a favorite of the film makers of Top Gun featuring Tom Crews.
Posted by: Enver Dingle4916   2024-02-02 08:20  

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