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| -Signs, Portents, and the Weather- |
| Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles |
| 2015-02-01 |
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #19 I can still remember how sick i was with measles at about age 6 and being kept in the dark for a week. Having bacterial/ viral sepsis in 1997 was nowhere near as bad. my wife and i are getting shots for everything going at a local Walgreens, and mmr was first priority. Next up, shingles. Its a whole new ball game. |
| Posted by: Grunter 2015-02-01 20:47 |
| #18 upper/educated class cultural pathology - that list is getting really long. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 19:22 |
| #17 "Surprisingly, measles is still endemic in most of Europe," In German speaking countries the ideas of Anthroposophy are hugely influential among the upper class. This goes far beyond the relatively small circle of dedicated followers. Anthroposophic medicine rejects immunization and so institutions guided by anthroposophic ideas are reservoirs for diseases like measles. This is an example of a strictly upper/educated class cultural pathology that has deleterious effects on society as a whole. |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2015-02-01 17:32 |
| #16 In part the problem is that governments and the medical establishment promote vaccines as protecting the vaccinated individual. In reality, at least as important, is protecting everyone else, vaccinated or not. Surprisingly, measles is still endemic in most of Europe, including the UK with about a thousand cases a year (UK). Doubtless concentrated in certain communities. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2015-02-01 16:25 |
| #15 "Compare that to last year's death toll from Ebola." Measles in humans evolved from a zoonosis during the 1st millennium AD. At the time it didn't pose more of a threat to humanity than Ebola does now. We should make every effort to strangle Ebola in its crib before it turns into a disease truly adapted to humans and the human environment. Measles could be eradicated if humanity wanted to do so. We have all the instruments. The problem is the absence of political will due in no small amount to fashionable primitivist superstition in the West. |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2015-02-01 15:50 |
| #14 Likely is part of the progressive useful tools that want mandatory government labels on food warning that it "contains DNA". |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2015-02-01 15:36 |
| #13 Kelly McMenimen of Marin County, Calif., said she decided not to vaccinate her son Tobias, saying she did not want “so many toxins” entering his body "We don't want any atoms around here!" |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-02-01 14:11 |
| #12 Had measles as a child. (Also, mumps, chicken pox, rubella, whooping cough, & others I probably forgot. People who won't vaccinate are IDIOTS.) Hope I'm still immune. |
| Posted by: Barbara 2015-02-01 14:05 |
| #11 "not so much religious as it is a belief that.." &c. The mental mechanism so described is exactly a religious belief, but is combined with a self-righteous pride in 'not being religious'. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 13:34 |
| #10 The idiots will die and so will their children to be followed by innocent children who happen to come in sufficiently close contact with the new Generation of Idiots. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 13:31 |
| #9 Darwin is going to have a say in this soon. The idiots will die and so will their children. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2015-02-01 11:29 |
| #8 Natural Selection. This is what progressive leftism gets you: idiots. not so much religious as it is a belief that "they raise their children in a natural, organic environment" and are suspicious of pharmaceutical companies and big business. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2015-02-01 09:54 |
| #7 Technically, that would be the suppurating 'urban bubble.' |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2015-02-01 08:41 |
| #6 Urban Bubble |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2015-02-01 08:39 |
| #5 Pathogen evolution and denial are key elements in the process of natural selection. Do not impede their important work. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2015-02-01 05:46 |
| #4 --- Just a day ago a niece went to a sewing class at a community center in the Denver area. A room next to the classroom had been darkened & there was a pile of coats or blankets in the center. Before entering that area, niece asked what was going on. One of her potential classmates had brought a child, a primary grade schooler with a "fever" to the center - so she said - and mother created a DIY sick room next to the class room for her precious pearl. The clothing/blankets were piled on the child to keep him/her warm. ---There were dozens of people of all ages at the center at this time. My niece was outraged by this lack of common sense & disrespect for public health, was extremely vocal about it. She left before going any further. Later she learned the mother & child in question also left the center before the class started. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 05:11 |
| #3 NPR: Measles Took 145,000 Lives Worldwide Last Year Compare that to last year's death toll from Ebola. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 05:02 |
| #2 ABC News: A New York college student with measles boarded an Amtrak station from Penn Station earlier this week and may have exposed other passengers to the contagious virus. "In order to prevent the spread of illness, DOH is advising individuals who may have been exposed and who have symptoms consistent with measles to call their health care providers or a local emergency room BEFORE going for care. This will help to prevent others at these facilities from being exposed to the illness," said a statement from the New York State Department of Health. -- Measles is one of the most contagious viruses in existence and will infect an estimated 90 percent of people who not immune to the virus. The incubation period is on average 14 days, but an infected person can be contagious up to four days before they start to show symptoms. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2015-02-01 04:59 |
| #1 To be fair it is a two part problem and opening up the borders to anyone who wanted to come in this past summer and fall was a big part of the problem in my opinion. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2015-02-01 01:40 |