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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Why Gun Control Advocates Must Get Graphic
[NewRepublic] After writing a partial defense of Jeb Bush late last week, when critics were laying in to him for shrugging off mass killings, a number of readers wrote to remind me that Republicans had themed their presidential nominating convention in 2012 after a Barack Obama quote they’d intentionally ripped from context. If Republicans were willing to use the phrase “you didn’t build that” to weaken Obama, then turnabout’s fair play, and Democrats should weaken Bush by turning “stuff happens” into a rallying cry.

These readers were implicitly ceding the point that decontextualizing Bush’s response to the Oregon killings is a misleading and instrumentalist way to attack him. But even thinking in the most cynical terms, throwing “stuff happens” in Bush’s face to suggest he has no sympathy for victims of gun violence is a tactical error as well as an intellectual one.
And you know the left is all about intellectualism.
“Stuff happens,” Bush said. “There’s always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it’s not always the right thing to do.”
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Posted by: badanov || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Same people who make sure the PP vids are not seen widely by the public, or leapers from the Twin Towers, or the murdered victims of illegals, etc
Posted by: P2Kontheroad || 10/09/2015 7:44 Comments || Top||

#2  With the left, gun-related deaths of any kind whether in self-defense or criminality are bad. Capital punishment is also bad. If you freeze to death because of Climate Change initiatives to reduce carbon, it is O.K. since it is for the greater good of the planet. Abortions, at any age are O.K. If one utters anything that sounds like traditional religion, that is bad. Eco-religions and non-religion religions (atheism) are O.K. Hard to figure the logic or rationale of these "Watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside).
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/09/2015 8:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Obama's exploitation of mass shootings to champion background checks to include private gun sales requires an expansion of Bush's generic pool analogy. It's as if a cruise ship sinks and Obama calls for lifeguards at all pools - including in your home.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 10/09/2015 12:49 Comments || Top||

#4  PP videos?
Posted by: Sgt. D.T. || 10/09/2015 13:14 Comments || Top||

#5  PP videos?

Planned Parenthood, Sgt. D.T.. The undercover ones wherein senior management admitted over lunch to adjusting abortion methods to bring out undamaged various parts contracted for sale in job lots.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/09/2015 14:07 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: Blossom Unains5562 || 10/09/2015 20:50 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Data on the Roseburg Rally in Oregon
See the Facebook page link in the title. Also, more from Kit Lange of the Patrick Henry Society.

These are the final details for tomorrow's rally. Don't expect changes from this.

1. The event is now at 11am.

2. You are responsible to find your own parking. You may want to come early.

3. Once you have found a parking spot, proceed to one of the three locations:
a) LOCATION 1: Intersection of Stuart Parkway and Aviation Dr., Roseburg.
b) LOCATION 2: Intersection of Edenbower Blvd and Hwy 99, Roseburg


***PLEASE NOTE: We will NOT be at, near, or going to the funerals.***


4. If you choose to carry a firearm that is your right. Be safe, be responsible. We suggest that you carry a handgun as opposed to a rifle, but again, you have the right to carry what you wish. Whatever you carry, keep it holstered/secure. Show the world that American gun owners are responsible patriots. Look out for each other.

5. Bring water, snacks, a chair if you need it. Wear comfortable clothes and shoes. It's supposed to be 84 degrees and cloudy tomorrow.

6. We have not raised enough money for portapotties by the deadline. We will be giving any donations we receive to the families as promised instead. You can go to your local Wells Fargo bank and make a deposit to account # 5690107783. The name on the account is Julie Collins (you'll see her name listed as one of the hosts of this event).

7. Please, if you decide to come then keep in mind that this must be peaceful and that we are there to support the community when they say that Obama is not welcome to push his political agenda there. It just causes more grief for everyone. If you show up then it is our intention that the community be paid the highest respect and is given our greatest condolences. We are not the rabble rousers or rioters they see elsewhere. We pay our own bills, we help our friends and family, and we will not let a tragedy be used against the very victims of that tragedy.

8. This page is for the coordination of events and the posting of support for it. It is NOT for debating, spamming, trolling, or posting memes of any kind. The admins reserve the right to delete anything and everything that we deem necessary to keep the page clean, peaceful, and focused.

9. Bring a trash bag. Clean up after yourselves and police the area you're in for trash. Leave the area better than how you found it.

10. The media WILL be at this event. Conduct yourselves like adults. Show the nation and the world a strong force of principled, good, responsible patriots. Represent yourself and the country with excellence because the world is truly watching.

11. If there are counterprotesters, or you are confronted by someone who is angry and wants to argue, DO NOT ENGAGE. They have a right to their opinion as well. They may be someone local, but they also may be someone who was bussed in, or someone who is there for the purpose of causing drama and perhaps worse. Ignore those who seek drama. WALK AWAY.

Above all, remember that what we do today will be remembered, it will be broadcast all over the world. Remember WHY we are doing this.

We want a peaceful, principled stand.


The anointed one his majesty king 0bama and the White House have announced a Friday arrival in Roseburg, Oregon in the wake of Oct 1st's horrific tragedy at UCC.

Polarizing as usual, Mr 0bama has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone.

This blatant disrespect of the victims families, the community and the town of Roseburg, Mr 0bama's administration is flying not just the 747 that is airforce one to Oregon, but a three helicopter team of Sikorsky's that make up HMX-1, known as Marine one to travel to Roseburg at the taxpayers expense.

We need a lot of people. Please come show your support for Roseburg, not the little man who has no respect for the Constitution.
Posted by: badanov || 10/09/2015 00:59 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why in "Opinion", badanov?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/09/2015 5:15 Comments || Top||

#2  @#1: Seconded
Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy || 10/09/2015 9:48 Comments || Top||

#3  It does fit neatly here with the two pieces on attempted gun control, gentlemen.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/09/2015 10:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Voluntary future event is opinion, in my opinion.

I would like to point out that 3. is either two locations or missing 3.c)*

Otherwise a fine outline.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/09/2015 10:53 Comments || Top||

#5  His Imperial Highness is in Seattle today. Traffic is going to be a nightmare and the FULLY ARMED Secret Service will be in restrict a 9-block or so area right in the middle of Downtown for 'Security And of course keep a rolling security zone around him as he travels to various fundraisers.

I wonder if anyone will note the contrast of Obama calling for strict gun control and disarming all the legal, law-abiding, citizens from inside a strictly secured area and surrounded by fully armed secret service agents. Not to mention the no-fly zone around his imperial ass.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/09/2015 11:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Why in "Opinion", badanov?

Since this is not a Rantburg.com sponsored event, mentioning this rally without specifically reporting on it, and since I am basically advocating support for the event, it goes into opinion. Plus what TW said.
Posted by: badanov || 10/09/2015 14:15 Comments || Top||


The Second Amendment Is a Gun-Control Amendment
We dealt with Adam Gopnik, a newly minted former Canadian citizen, when he let us know what he really thinks about the Roanoke shooting last August.
The tragedy happens—yesterday at a school in Oregon, and then as it will again—exactly as predicted, and uniquely here. It hardly seems worth the energy to once again make the same essential point that the President—his growing exasperation and disbelief moving, if not effective, as he serves as national mourner—has now made again: we know how to fix this. Gun control ends gun violence as surely an antibiotics end bacterial infections, as surely as vaccines end childhood measles—not perfectly and in every case, but overwhelmingly and everywhere that it’s been taken seriously and tried at length. These lives can be saved. Kids continue to die en masse because one political party won’t allow that to change, and the party won’t allow it to change because of the irrational and often paranoid fixations that make the massacre of students and children an acceptable cost of fetishizing guns.
Only a person so close to some concept of a fetish would characterize a Gawd given right as a fetish. If the only consequence of not using gun was that it made society safer, then maybe, maybe giving up guns could be an acceptable solution to mass shootings. However, a gun is the most effective tool that can stop a mass shooting. Everything else that can be included into the mix as possible means of ending a mass shooting before it starts falls into the same category as having a gun.
In the course of today’s conversation, two issues may come up, treated in what is now called a trolling tone—pretending to show concern but actually standing in the way of real argument. One is the issue of mental health and this particular killer’s apparent religious bigotry. Everyone crazy enough to pick up a gun and kill many people is crazy enough to have an ideology to attach to the act. The point—the only point—is that, everywhere else, that person rants in isolation or on his keyboard; only in America do we cheerfully supply him with military-style weapons to express his rage. As the otherwise reliably Republican (but still Canadian-raised) David Frum wisely writes: “Every mass shooter has his own hateful motive. They all use the same tool.”
As I understand it, the Oregon shooter did not have "military-style weapons" at hand, the banning of which is an unspoken goal for leftists like Gopnik. The shooter did have weapons available to him that he bought legally in a state which recently added universal background, the Holy Panacea that gun control advocates want to impose on the nation.
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Posted by: badanov || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gopnik ought to move back to Canada if he's so uncomfortable with the way we do things here.
Posted by: Raj || 10/09/2015 0:49 Comments || Top||

#2  The Constitution is about controlling the government, not the people. That is why the fascists hate it.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 10/09/2015 10:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Isn't it just great how lefty socialists flee their countries, come to ours then demand we change to the place they fled from. Almost like a planned invasion to defeat us from within.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/09/2015 10:45 Comments || Top||

#4  The fact that the left has to invent words like Assault-weapon or call regular guns military-style shows they know they don't have a case and are just playing on emotions.

I suspect the Democrats see the polls that this stuff works against them but do it anyway to shore up the far left who are likely to go Bernie Sanders when he eventually runs as a Socialist.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/09/2015 15:28 Comments || Top||

#5  > The Constitution is about controlling the government, not the people.

Rights are limitations on the state.
Everything else is entitlements.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/09/2015 15:38 Comments || Top||


Why cynical Democrats are sticking by Hillary Clinton
By Jennifer Rubin

[WashingtonPost] We know by now that Clinton has been among the least principled pols (quite a standard) on the national stage. We also know voters overwhelmingly find her unlikable and untrustworthy. The two are not unrelated, but sticking with her views despite public sentiment does not occur to Clinton and her team. It has always been about seizing power, holding power, getting back in power and staying in power. Clinton has no convictions because they get in the way, just as she harbors no concern for the laws that bind ordinary people. If power requires dropping old views and adopting new ones or evading potential inquiry into correspondence, so be it.

And if it is not about power, it is about money. Why else set up the cesspool of conflicts of interest, take money from hedge funds and despotic regimes, fail to abide by her disclosure agreement with the administration and accept speaking engagements with the bogeymen of the left up to the moment she announced? It's silly to ask, "Why would Clinton do these things?" It's the money, of course.

That Clinton is excessively greedy, lacks principles and thinks any means justify her quest for power are not new revelations to most voters. It is, however, quite telling that liberal elites ‐ for all their supposed high-mindedness (Save the planet! End inequality!) ‐ stick by a soulless creature like Clinton. The gang that revels in outrage (Republicans are playing politics! Republicans say mean things! Republicans think the president is a Muslim!) find the well of outrage dry when it comes to her. The tacit agreement ‐ Clinton has no principles, and Democrats evidence no concern ‐ accounts for Clinton's continued popularity and support within the Democratic Party. And, if she is the nominee, liberal pundits will find her indiscretions "old news," "partisan witch hunts" or "regrettable" ‐ and then go right on cheering for her. They, too, are in on the bargain: Clinton sticks to the dogma of the left (defend the welfare state, protect abortion on demand, tolerate no religious objections to liberal state edicts and adopt the most extreme measures possible to curb global warming), and they never consider her conduct disqualifying or her lack of ethics so troubling as to consider supporting even a qualified, reasonable Republican.
Posted by: Sven the pelter || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Because the Clinton have a rep of staying bought?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/09/2015 5:16 Comments || Top||

#2  "It is about money."

Whole article could have been replaced with these four words.

Well, she has spent most of her life in the public sector, after all.
Posted by: no mo uro || 10/09/2015 5:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought Washington Post was liberal to the core. What happens have they seen the light or are they pushing for still more liberal than Clinton II?
Posted by: JFM || 10/09/2015 10:39 Comments || Top||

#4  This is WaPo's token right-wing blog.

I guess even die hard liberals have to cut loose every once in a while and tell the truth. They read in the NYT that it was cathartic.
Posted by: Sven the pelter || 10/09/2015 12:58 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
The consequences of Kunduz
Gen (r) Mirza Aslam Beg
[NATION.PK] Kunduz is a turning point of the conflict between the two opposing forces -- the Americans and the Taliban. The Americans having failed to achieve the objectives of war, have retreated, leaving behind a residual force of about 12,000, operating from five air bases in support of the Kabul
...the capital of Afghanistan. Home to continuous fighting from 1992 to 1996 between the forces of would-be strongman and Pak ISI/Jamaat-e-Islami sock puppet Gulbuddin Hekmayar and the Northern Alliance, a period which won Hek the title Most Evil Man in the World and didn't do much for the reputations of the Northern Alliance guys either....
regime which controls mainly the urban areas of Afghanistan, whereas the Taliban control about 80% of the rural areas, where Shariah Law prevails. Thus, it is at Kunduz, where the strategies of the opposing forces now are at real test.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


The Grand Turk
Turkey's culture of impunity
[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] On Saturday a horrific video surfaced on social media that enraged the entire society. It showed the body of an alleged Death Eater linked to the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) being dragged in a street. A member of the Turkish special forces is heard swearing at him, a reflection of deep-seated hatred against Kurdish separatists that is still prevalent in some segments of Turkish nationalists.

The government and pro-government media have significantly escalated their sometimes-racist rhetoric against Kurds since the June 7 parliamentary elections. Pro-government newspaper Sabah even ran a story that characterized the incident as a "routine practice" to check if the body is strapped with explosives.

The rise of the PKK in the 1990s was largely due to inhumane treatment of Kurds in the southeast. Twenty years ago, Turkish special forces burned down villages, tortured dissidents and killed suspects in cold blood. It seems the authorities failed to ensure that troops and special forces take extra care in using their power while fighting the PKK. Every army has rogue officers, but a responsible army punishes wrongdoers.

The idea that special forces drag the body of a Death Eater in Kurdish-populated residential areas, openly swear at him, film the incident and share it online indicates how certain they are that their actions will go unpunished.

Media
Just hours before the incident, another special-forces member was caught on camera threatening a journalist at gunpoint. This is an everyday ordeal for Turkish journalists. It is naive to expect law-enforcement officers to respect journalists when President Recep Tayyep Erdogan is openly threatening journalists in public rallies and promising to jail more of them.

I doubt that a police officer could dare put a gun to a journalist's head if the authorities made sure journalists were free to do their job. The environment is enabling such rogue officers to abuse their power.

There was even more cause for concern when four thugs beat up prominent journalist Ahmet Hakan outside his house last week. This is a chilling signal to every critical voice in The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the only place on the face of the earth that misses the Ottoman Empire....
that they may face a similar fate. Suspects who attacked the journalist confessed that the intelligence and "reis" - a Turkish euphemism for Erdogan - were involved in the incident. In what type of democracy are mercenaries sent to beat up a journalist?

Judiciary
Nothing could depict this culture of impunity more than a judge posting unbelievably partisan and obscene messages on Twitter. Many were shocked to see the judge using a real profile photo, name and bio.

In his posts, he feels confident trolling journalists and activists on Twitter, posting partisan tweets and swearing at anyone who criticizes the government. In what type of democracy can a judge act in such a blatantly partisan way? Perhaps he thinks that being a government apologist will save him.

The judiciary is slowly becoming partisan. Because standing by the government is a shortcut to promotion, judges and prosecutors do whatever it takes to earn the government's favor. For example, a prosecutor prepared a 1,453-page indictment last week, claiming that those who carried out twin corruption investigations targeting Erdogan's inner circle attempted "to stage a coup."

Jurists mocked the prosecutor, saying the document was almost completely fabricated. In what type of a democracy can a prosecutor prepare such a farcical indictment? Perhaps he thinks it is a way to climb up the ladder.

The rule of law is a significant ingredient of any functioning democracy. It does not only ensure the proper punishment of violators, but also helps eradicate a mentality that believes breaking the law is permissible as long as there is a reward.
Posted by: Fred || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Muslim Brotherhood


Home Front: Politix
Game Postponed
A society as huge and complex as the United States can run economically only on the basis of acceptance and trust. This has been true for so long it is no longer noticed, like the air. People accept the rules and generally follow them whether or not there is a policeman in attendance. They deposit money and trust it will be credited to their account. They mail letters and trust they will be delivered. They sleep in their beds and trust the president will protect them. All over the the land people go about their business secure that arrangements will be honored and carried out.

A high-trust society is a low-cost society.

The breakdown of the speakership race following the withdrawal of Boehner's heir-designate Kevin McCarthy is a sign that this happy state of affairs is eroding. It's no longer business as usual in Capital City. Who do the Republicans represent? Maybe not the Republican voters.

...A low-trust society is a high-cost society. It creates a place where everything is governed by innumerable rules yet where things work very poorly. A cop behind every billboard means a lot of low-rent cops. That's why low-trust societies are poor societies. By contrast a working democracy is cheap to run and its economic life is generally unfettered and creative. It is efficient because it does not have to carry the burden of an immense apparatus of propaganda and coercion to get from one day to the next.

What changed was the gradual evaporation of confidence. When the principals (the voters) no longer fully trust the agents (the politicians), what economists describe as agency costs become prohibitively high. Too much energy will be expended brokering transactions between parties that don't trust each other. Unless trust is restored things will simply freeze up due to the costs of hesitation and mutual suspicion. Even supposing the president -- or any president -- can keep going without trust, it will be costly. There will not be enough lawsuits, executive orders or federal agents available to restore things to the former free and easy way.

The elites who seized power underestimated the costs of despising the voters, assuming that because they were on the side of angels they could act like devils. They underrated the corrosive effect of constant betrayal and unbroken degradation upon transaction costs.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/09/2015 14:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We the people are still here.
Posted by: Sven the pelter || 10/09/2015 14:26 Comments || Top||

#2  A low verify society is a high fraud society.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/09/2015 15:37 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Glimpses from an election
[DAWN] THERE are so many opportunities so frequently for Imran Khan
... aka Taliban Khan, who ain't the sharpest bulb on the national tree...
-bashers to have fun at his expense. However,
some people cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go...
Okara on Wednesday found him to be in his most generous mood. Perhaps influenced by the presence of ex-PPP hope Ashraf Sohna, it was here that the kaptaan offered his most dangerous exposé of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif
... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf...
. In what would rank as the ultimate insult a politician could wish for another, the PTI chief said the prime minister was even worse than former president Asif Ali Zardari.

There might have been a context to the taunt. It could well have meant to pinpoint a specific blunder that Mr Khan thought his arch rival was guilty of. Still, an allusion to the Zardarian innocence in comparison to Mr Sharif's failure to pay taxes or his alleged greed generally was apparently sound enough proof for pro-PML-N (sections of the) press to flash. This was not proof of a frustrated fortune-seeker retracing his steps helter-skelter. This was a starry-eyed wayfarer all at sea -- a few by-elections, particularly one in Lahore, getting the most incredible thoughts out of Mr Khan, even by his own standards.

It was -- it still is -- that kind of an election that extracts so many surprising old and new sides to the contestants -- the sight of a PPP candidate going to the Election Commission with complaints that the PML-N and PTI candidates were overspending. This was seemingly the only aspect the PPP had the strength to contest, in an area that included parts of Lahore that foretold the party's demise in the city all those decades back. NA-122 includes areas which were included in the constituency from where Ms Benazir Bhutto
... 11th Prime Minister of Pakistain in two non-consecutive terms from 1988 until 1990 and 1993 until 1996. She was the daughter of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, founder of the Pakistain People's Party, who was murdered at the instigation of General Ayub Khan. She was murdered in her turn by person or persons unknown while campaigning in late 2007. Suspects include, to note just a few, Baitullah Mehsud, General Pervez Musharraf, the ISI, al-Qaeda in Pakistain, and her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, who shows remarkably little curiosity about who done her in...
had won in 1988, not by too impressive a margin to a man famous for installing water coolers in the locality. Her party tamely conceded the seat to the same candidate in a by-election, accelerating the process of the PPP's ouster from Lahore's politics.
Posted by: Fred || 10/09/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan



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