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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Two maids jailed, to be lashed for sorcery
[Emirates 24/7] A Saudi court gave heavy jail sentences to two Indonesian housemaids and ordered them lashed 700 times with a whip on charges of practising witchcraft to extort money from their employers, a local daily reported on Monday.

The two maids, aged 33 and 25 years, had used clothes and other personal items to cast a spell on the man and his family in Riyadh since they started working for him nearly three years ago, 'Alyoum' newspaper said.

The court in the Saudi capital was told that the two maids used their magic skills to control the family's life and drain their employer's financial resources.

"They also controlled his behaviour and the health of all family members...the family started to look feeble and pale and could not do anything to end their ordeal," the paper quoted the man's brother as saying.

"They succeeded in extorting much money from the family to send it to their families in Indonesia. They drained the family financially and physically."

The paper reported the court sentenced the 33-year-old maid to five years in prison and 500 lashes and the other maid to two years in jail and 200 lashes. It also ordered their deportation after completing their jail terms.
Posted by: Fred || 12/07/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nobody is going to survive 500 lashes.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/07/2010 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  They do it 50 lashes at at time, I understand.
Posted by: gorb || 12/07/2010 0:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Foreigners must never win against Saudis, not even once.
Posted by: gromky || 12/07/2010 1:01 Comments || Top||

#4  They turned their employers into newts.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/07/2010 7:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Sounds like seductresses, not sorceresses.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/07/2010 9:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Sounds like the family blew all its money and decided to blame the maids.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 12/07/2010 10:26 Comments || Top||

#7  #6 Sounds like the family blew all its money and decided to blame the maids.

Posted by: Rob Crawford 2010-12-07 10:26


My thoughts exactly.
Posted by: WolfDog || 12/07/2010 12:14 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Attractive women held back in hiring process
[Emirates 24/7] Blondes might have more fun, but unattractive women make it in the boardroom, according to a new study.

"Plain" women are far more likely to get a job interview than "attractive" ones, Prof. Bradley Ruffle of Israel's Ben-Gurion University of the Negev found.

Ruffle ran his experiment in Israel by sending out a slew of resumes, some with photos of attractive or plain people, and some with no photos at all, Live Science reported.

"Among female candidates, no-picture females have the highest response rate, 22 percent higher than plain females and 30 percent higher than attractive females," Ruffle concluded.

"Our findings on penalization of attractive women contradict current psychology and organizational behavior literature on beauty that associate attractiveness, male and female alike, with almost every conceivable positive trait and disposition."

Curiously, for men the experiment turned out different. Attractive men were 50 percent more likely to get called back for an interview than plain men - and both were more likely to get a response than a resume with no photo.

Ruffle had a controversial explanation for his findings.

"The evidence points to female jealousy of attractive women in the workplace as a primary reason for their penalization in recruitment," he said.

In Israel, it is common for job applicants to send headshots along with their resumes for job openings.
Posted by: Fred || 12/07/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Plain" women are far more likely to get a job interview than "attractive" ones, Prof. Bradley Ruffle of Israel's Ben-Gurion University of the Negev found.

Well, this is easy. Da plain dames work for da boss, but guess who is spendin all da boss's dough back at the house? Da trophy wife!
Posted by: Angolutch Gonque9293 || 12/07/2010 0:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Angolutch, I think you have it a bit too stereotypical.

I've been in consulting since early 90's, e.g. on my own. But in mid-80's, I run a small biz that had a few employees. My primary criterion in hiring was: "Can he/she do the work?"
I admit a bias against "bimbos", unless she was to be in reception as a company front, which I did not need, being into lean and mean paradigm. Also, being married--though my wife was well endowed and quite a specimen, I married her long before having a small biz, so I don't think the "trophy wife" was applicable--and knowing what kind of effects the pheromones and curves have on my makeup as a carbon based unit of male type, I simply were trying not to set myself into a temptation trap. Anyway, my opinion was that it is better to pay occasionally $100 to sexual industry professional if a need arises than to hire a bimbot for $1600/month, with uncertain results.

So, plain Janes were preferable. Less chances that they would gossip their work day away and would do what they are paid to do, e.g. to work.

I had no bias as males were concerned, I did not have any concept of male attractiveness, so that was really simple. Ultimately, whoever seemed to have the necessary qualifications and was best of the interviewed, in my opinion, got the job. Male of female.

A perspective of a female boss may differ in some aspects, I suppose some form of rivalry based on a perceived SMV (sexual market value) is always present, though not always consciously.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 3:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Errata: Male or female.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 3:08 Comments || Top||

#4  More importantly, what would the counterpart female carbon-based of female type be thinking if you stayed to work late. Or went in early. Or inhabited the same office space as the carbon-based bimbo unit at any time between the hours of early and late.

Not good.
Posted by: gorb || 12/07/2010 3:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Gorb, It is not so straightforward. In fact, if what my carbon-based counterpart of female type (a.k.a spousal unit) was thinking was the primary criterion, I would hire the bimbot away. That would invite certain type of dynamics, no doubt, but would have positive effects on my marital relationship that went into a limbo in early 90's.

Seems counter-intuitive, but trust me on this.

Alas, it was not my criterion. I were not forward thinking, the daily affairs of running biz consumed enough energy to have a left-over for "what if" scenarios in marital sphere.

Were I transported in time back then with what I know today, I would do a lot of things differently.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 3:27 Comments || Top||

#6  Youth tends to be wasted on the young.
Posted by: gorb || 12/07/2010 3:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Blondes might have more fun, but unattractive women make it in the boardroom, according to a new study.

Some find what they were looking for in the mail room or at a cocktail party. Just ask Val Plame.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 7:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Trying to extract any useful comparison to relationships between the sexes in Israel and just about anywhere else will be pretty meaningless. Israel has an enormous spectrum of such relationships almost unique to them.

Everything from ultra Orthodox women, Reform women, secular women, to cultural traditions from a dozen different countries.

There is zero conformity. A group of women could be as downtrodden and servile as in a more liberal Muslim nation, whereas right next door another group of women are college educated, wear bikinis and carry machine guns. Next door to them is a group of highly respected scientists and academics, and next to them are the most grotesque and degraded street prostitutes imaginable.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/07/2010 7:05 Comments || Top||

#9  HR departments are mainly staffed by women, and they do initial screening of most employment applications; they would tend to downgrade attractive women as 'competition.'
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/07/2010 9:15 Comments || Top||

#10  My DD is being bullied.

My 1st comment when I saw the ringleader was

She's letting that TROLL control her?
Posted by: anonymous2u || 12/07/2010 10:29 Comments || Top||

#11  Let me tell you, work-wise being an attractive woman is much much harder than being plain. You have to be extra nice to the other women at all times, and still they talk behind the back.

I am the youngest on a team of 80% women, 20% male. The other women who are all 25 to 35 years my senior have been hazing me since the day I started to a small degree, because every time they look at me, they remember what it was like to be young and sassy. I sympathize, really. The other problem is some obesee women I work around but not with are much younger than ME. And they look sideways because they know they are younger and have already pretty much ruined their figures. You just cannot win.

It has been really hard to put up with, but eventually I will earn their trust and some day, their wrinkles. I just hope they don't deepen my frown lines in the process. LOL!
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 10:39 Comments || Top||

#12  The other women who are all 25 to 35 years my senior have been hazing me since the day I started to a small degree, because every time they look at me, they remember what it was like to be young and sassy............

....'back in the day' (before they shi*canned the old man and decided to go it alone on good looks), were married with children or grandchildren to care for and dinner to prepare, ie, the good ole days.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 10:52 Comments || Top||

#13  Heck I'd love to be a housewife and I can actually cook, clean and sew. I would have been a catch if I was born about forty years earlier. but so many men these days are either
a) Gay
b) Interested in men and women. Read: Gay.
c) Unemployed
d) Want to do whatever the hell they want, and judge a prospective wife on her wallet and looks, meanwhile not being all that themselves. It should be noted that while I am attractive, (7-8) I am not a 9 or 10, so most men I meet are holding out for perfection, or a mailorder bride it seems. It has gotten to where I just say, forget marriage.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 11:08 Comments || Top||

#14  It has gotten to where I just say, forget marriage. Posted by: Fire and Ice

Whahahaha. You'll be married in 6 months.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 11:09 Comments || Top||

#15  Oh, so that is six months to get "trophy wife" mugs and a t-shirts printed up. He he. That is what I am wearing to my wedding with jeans. 19.99. Done.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 11:21 Comments || Top||

#16  Among female candidates, no-picture females have the highest response rate, 22 percent higher than plain females and 30 percent higher than attractive females

I guess an employer sees an unsolicited pic, assumes---here's one that thinks she can ride on her looks.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/07/2010 11:44 Comments || Top||

#17  And Fire and Ice had the nerve to accuse me of being shallow.

The women in every office have seen your "sassy" type come and go. The sassy type wear their trashy shoes/clothes to get men's attention and hope to be promoted to positions they don't deserve and aren't qualified for based on their looks and their male bosses sexual attraction. And it often works because of male sexual blindness, but don't think others aren't noticing it (including the H/R departments).

It is Sarah Palin writ large. An attractive woman who quit four colleges before finally getting a vaunted degree in journalism at the fifth. Unfortunately, an aging geezer running for office is overcome by her looks and imagines how fun it will be to work with her and keep him from the dullness and boredom of the campaign trail and work. And whether or not anyone in your world thinks Sarah Palin is qualified and has earned her stripes, most people realize her for what she is, unqualified and a quitter. That's where the hostility comes from. It's like having the t.v. weatherbabe suddenly decide she's going to become leader of the free world.

Shame on McCain for being an old geezer fool and thrusting her upon us.
Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 || 12/07/2010 12:58 Comments || Top||

#18  BCC

You crack me up, its like you've been lying in wait for days to come back with a nasty insult.

I work hard at my job, and not only that, it is not in any bimbo-esque field. And btw, my torso, arms, and legs are covered in fabric while doing it.

Let go of the red shoes.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 13:06 Comments || Top||

#19  Black Charlie Chinemble5313, I apologize for blowing up at you the other day. I went overboard, forgetting that the best thing to do with such posts is to erase them rather than hitting "submit".

You may want to register as a Republican so you can vote against Sarah Palin in the presidential primary, rather than trusting the Republicans in your district to get it right for you. Because heaven forbid you be forced to choose between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama in November -- you would have to choose between hoping you were wrong about her, or accept another four years of him. *sigh* So often elections in this country are between the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 13:06 Comments || Top||

#20  You crack me up, its like you've been lying in wait for days to come back with a nasty insult.
Fire and Ice.


I believe it's called.... net stalking.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 13:11 Comments || Top||

#21  Lying in wait for you...hah. Your comments were just so ridiculous and immature I had to respond.
I've been reading this site since 9/11, it's an interesting site and not because of you.

Trailing wife...in case you hadn't noticed by my posts...I am a Republican. Certainly a very different one than you, but I appreciate the apology. I really don't think my comments deserved the reaction that I received.
Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 || 12/07/2010 13:14 Comments || Top||

#22  Black Charlie Chinemble5313, in the thread you said you were an Independent, and that the election would depend on people like you, who don't like Sarah Palin. So I assumed you were not a registered Republican. I do not assume party affiliation based on participation here, as we have quite a few war-mongering registered Democrats who would like nothing better than Scoop Jackson resurrected, not to mention war-mongering libertarians who find the Republican candidates entirely too fond of the government as it is.

As it happens, I am in principle Independent. I am currently registered as a Republican so I can vote in the primary, as that's the rule in Ohio the last time I looked. But I'm also a war-monger, and the Democrats like to position themselves as the "peace" party.

Surely you've noticed the impassioned political debates here every election? Every election we've lost some regulars, who found the disagreement unacceptable, for a variety of reasons.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 13:31 Comments || Top||

#23  What...only Independents and Democrats think that Sarah Palin is unqualified? Hardly. And no, I didn't say I was an Independent. Yes, I vote in the primaries but I won't hesitate to cross over if I feel the need to. I'm hoping the Republicans will come to their senses and choose someone electable to run so we don't have four more years of Obama.

I held my nose and voted for the McCain/Palin ticket even though I thought Palin was a terrible choice, but with Palin on the top of the ticket...I will cross over.

I wouldn't call what goes on in this forum empassioned political debates. I see that anytime anyone dares to venture out of the hagiography of Sarah Palin they are jumped on, shouted down and thrown out the door.
Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 || 12/07/2010 13:43 Comments || Top||

#24  The interplay between Fire and Ice and Besoeker seems much more attuned to the level of seriousness this topic should get, at least here in the 'burg, at least in my opinion. And that's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/07/2010 13:46 Comments || Top||

#25  Yes, yes...everyone's for free speech until it doesn't suit them anymore.
Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 || 12/07/2010 13:50 Comments || Top||

#26  I did not realize this thread was about Sarah Palin, BCC or whatever you just called me a few posts ago. It was about attractive women held back in the hiring process. If you've something to add besides attacks, have it it. And really, who you vote for is your business, no one else's. BTW, I think the level of derision heaped on Palin is not equal to other pols. That is to say, you don't have to vote for her, but please keep your problems with Sarah Palin limited to a THREAD ABOUT SARAH PALIN. Thank you. And no, I will not apologize to you, your comments are anything but constructive.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 13:58 Comments || Top||

#27  that was meant as "have at it"
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 13:59 Comments || Top||

#28  U go Fire and Ice. I like a woman with balls!
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 14:03 Comments || Top||

#29  If a woman is attractive and actually qualified, and not just playing for favors based on her looks and not creating a ruckus in the office due to her looks and dress, she will be hired and promoted for her capabilities and actually will have an advantage due to her looks....at least in the US.
Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313 || 12/07/2010 14:07 Comments || Top||

#30  Time for some levity:

The Wish
I met a fairy today who said she would grant me one wish.

"I want to live forever," I said.

"Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that.”

"Fine," I said, "I want to die after the Democrats get their heads
out of their asses!"

"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.




Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 14:11 Comments || Top||

#31  And Fire and Ice had the nerve to accuse me of being shallow

Yep, right after I admitted I am shallow. Which you have yet to cop to, yet you think a pair of shoes makes a candidate unpresidential. Heck, its not like she wore flip flops in a biohazard lab with shorts for crying out loud.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 14:13 Comments || Top||

#32  Besoeker, nice.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 14:15 Comments || Top||

#33  BBC is an ass, that's why he threadjacked. He's as bad as the birthers.
Posted by: OldSpook || 12/07/2010 14:16 Comments || Top||

#34  Fire'n'Ice... How old (or young)? Range suffices.

1. 18 - 24
2. 25 - 29
3. 30 - 35
4. 36 - 41
5. 41 +

Thx!

BTW, when you say 7/8, I translate to 6.5. It has come to my attention that American women have a bit overinflated reckon of their SMV number. A bit is an understatement, it is not unusual that they overiflate by 2 points. I think you may be somewhat closer in your judgment to the actual figure, because you seem fairly discerning, so I grant you one point. :-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 14:50 Comments || Top||

#35 

1. 18 - 24
2. 25 - 29
3. 30 - 35
4. 36 - 41
5. 41 - 47
6. 47 - 59
7. 59 - 63
7. 63 - ring me up

Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 14:54 Comments || Top||

#36  36-27-36
thirties
divorced
5'3"
120
And I worked as a receptionist. And no, I am not a bimbo.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 14:59 Comments || Top||

#37  Ha ha Besoeker. The love boat still floats in his harbor. Dude, you're probably married.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 15:01 Comments || Top||

#38  Indeed I am, soon to be 34 years. Might be a difficult sell with Ms. Besoeker, but would adoption be an option?
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 15:04 Comments || Top||

#39  BBC. whaddaya mean by unqualified? She ran for a VP!

So, here is the skinny:

Was she less qualified than:
1. Quayle
2. Gore
3. Biden
4. BHO (I know this is a president, but IMHO, he would be less qualified to run as VP than Palin).

Yes, I'd love to see Bolton as a candidate, but if not available, Palin may do, rather than RINOs like Romney.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 15:07 Comments || Top||

#40  ROFL!
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 15:08 Comments || Top||

#41  FaI, darn, I swore recently that my target would be about 25 (I am 56, but you know that's nothing for us vampires from Transylvania, hehe). I have to admit, your data look yummy though.

I suppose you probably have a kid or two. That maybe a harder sell, depending on their attitude (kids are spoilt rotten these days). It may be actually a bit more disconcerting if you don't have any.

But the most important things is... who initiated the divorce? What was the stated reason?

If you feel I am prying to close for comfort, feel free to decline answers.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 15:26 Comments || Top||

#42  And thus, the article had it right. Attractive women are put to much more scrutiny than a plain Jane. Anything beyond my vital description is need to know.
Posted by: Fire and ice || 12/07/2010 15:38 Comments || Top||

#43  Bah, nope, FaI.

Let me put it rather gently. Plain Janes do not encounter any scrutiny in this particular aspect of my interest. They are simply off my radar. I know how it sounds, but it does not mean I am plain-jane-phobic! :-)

If I were hiring, I think I would ask the female applicants to come to the interview with a brown bag over their heads, to be faire and square.
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 15:56 Comments || Top||

#44  As an HR Consultant a previous client had my group 'clean out' their HR Dept after they had to pay a BIG settlement for blatant sexual and age discrimination. Seems the 'HR Professionals' were looking for either a date or spouse two or three, not the most qualified candidates. When they hired us to fix the mess the only solution we could honestly recommend was exciting new careers in fast food for their HR Professionals.
Posted by: Bill Griling5080 || 12/07/2010 16:01 Comments || Top||

#45  BG, that is why I did my hiring myself. Even hiring an employment agency was not, IMHO, a reliable way to get some good people. They had different sets of criteria and their own biases. I know, for a biz with more than a handful of employees, it is practically a necessity to have a HR dept., though if I had up to 50, I'd still do it myself.

Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 18:31 Comments || Top||

#46  I'm 58, 6 feet, own my home, and have most of my original teeth. I also have horses.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/07/2010 20:19 Comments || Top||

#47  You forgot to mention your glorious beard, dear Deacon Blues, truly a thing of wonder, although .com's was supposedly even more so. But I never saw his, so that must remain conjecture.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 20:27 Comments || Top||

#48  TW, I am sure my soup catcher is competitive. :-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 12/07/2010 21:20 Comments || Top||

#49  It's so much easier being a guy. A job, car, house, and cable tv is all that is needed to be a chick magnet.
Posted by: rammer || 12/07/2010 21:40 Comments || Top||

#50 

Okay, to Rammer, my new monied land baron friend, I see your job car house and cable tv and raise you a joke for all my ladies in the house:

A job, car, house, roof, and cable tv ...Those are all that are needed for a woman to be a dude magnet.

Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 21:56 Comments || Top||

#51  Wait a minute.

A job, car, house, roof, and cable tv

Female parts is pretty much all that is needed.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 22:07 Comments || Top||

#52  an on going story....
A bit over a decade ago a "hot" number in her early-to-mid 30's came in as a corporate level division prez a the multi-national I was enslaved at.

When she was publicly introduced to the division at an off-site event.... I said to myself ... she dresses too sexy... and acts to sexy... this woman is trouble.... I'm putting my nose to the grind-stone and ignoring office politics...

After a flurry of moves and counter moves she was out after 1 year....

So... she jumped to a smaller firm as the CTO....
Within a year or two ... she accused her fellow board members of sexual harassment and won $26,000,000! Whoo! Ho!

She bought a golf course in the southern burbs... divorced her husband and married the handsome golf pro.... (It's good to be queen too!)

Then she weaseled her way into another start-up as CTO and..... It no longer shows a profit....

So... yes... sometimes warning lights go on!
Posted by: Water Modem || 12/07/2010 22:14 Comments || Top||

#53 
Although, I bet somewhere right now there is a man borrowing a page from this woman's play book, trying to hook a rich widow snowbird down in Florida in a housing development on a golf cart...
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 22:27 Comments || Top||

#54  Likely handsome enough to be a golf pro..... whoops...
Posted by: Water Modem || 12/07/2010 22:42 Comments || Top||

#55  They deserve each other....

My point is that sometimes flags go off..
I remember a few guys that wore Armani and had a bit too much colon and too big a smile... Alarms go off with them too. Usually justified alarms....

Posted by: Water Modem || 12/07/2010 22:45 Comments || Top||

#56  I was always alarmed by guys with too much colon. It usually prevented me looking at their smile....but I'm like that
Posted by: Frank G || 12/07/2010 22:53 Comments || Top||

#57  I was always alarmed by guys with too much colon.

The odor is distinctive, and they needn't have bombs internally installed to be dangerous.

/I do apologize, but that's the first thing I thought of.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/08/2010 0:00 Comments || Top||


Servicemembers boo Griffin for attacking Bristol Palin
Found this at Hot Air. Aparantley Kathy Griffin doesn't know when to shut up and just sing.
Former Levi Johnston confidante Kathy Griffin decided to entertain the troops by taking potshots at the mother of Johnston’s child, Bristol Palin, by calling her fat. The audience took a few potshots at Griffin in return.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/07/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The truly great entertainers and comedians would make fun of themselves or topics that everyone could laugh at. When you start tearing down someone else for your own gain, you cheapen your act and turn off your audience.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/07/2010 0:20 Comments || Top||

#2  The left becomes increasingly debased as time goes on. The constant downward spiral continues. Especially when Griffin once went through liposuction that almost killed her she said once. Troops in the audience or Griffin fans that battle weight issues are sure to have come away with higher moral from today's USO shows? Not.
Posted by: Angolutch Gonque9293 || 12/07/2010 0:31 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't think it was a USO show. It was VH1
Posted by: Martini || 12/07/2010 4:31 Comments || Top||

#4  doesn't even make sense

Bristol is a nice size. She is as pretty as many of the women shown on the front page of the Defender Scimitar and, I assume her legs are in good shape based on her training for the dance show.
Posted by: Lord Garth || 12/07/2010 6:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Comedienne Joan Rivers once made a very telling remark about comedy. She said that humor can be up to 49% aggression and mean, and still be funny, but when it hits 51%, suddenly it stops being funny at all, and turns the audience off like you hit a switch.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 12/07/2010 7:12 Comments || Top||

#6  Whoever hired her in the 1st place was clueless.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 12/07/2010 10:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Kathy Griffin's a human slug.
Posted by: tu3031 || 12/07/2010 10:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Kathy Griffin has just gotten mean since her divorce, and insulting Bristol is just another sign of it. Levi Johnson, in Arkansas, would be labeled "po-white trash". The D-List lady needs to upgrade her acquaintances.
Posted by: Former Wasilla-ite || 12/07/2010 11:49 Comments || Top||

#9  Who is this Kathy? Never heard of her.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/07/2010 12:03 Comments || Top||

#10  If you see something that wants to show you Kathy's bikini pix, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY!!!!!

DO NOT CLICK ON IT!!

My eyes! My eyes!
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 12/07/2010 12:52 Comments || Top||

#11  I fixed your link for you, AA5839

;-P
Posted by: ryuge || 12/07/2010 12:59 Comments || Top||

#12  #11 I fixed your link for you, AA5839

Break it again, PLEASE! :(
Posted by: Large Spenter6120 || 12/07/2010 13:19 Comments || Top||

#13  Vader, as far as I can tell her greatest claim to fame was to be the bystander when Bruce Willis smashed into Marsellous Wallace in Pulp Fiction. Everything else she's done has been downhill since.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 12/07/2010 15:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Kathy Griffin is famous for being rude to the Mary and Kate Olsen, going shopping with Paris Hilton and packing her undies with toilet paper because to paraphrase, her ass sweats during job interviews.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 19:10 Comments || Top||

#15  packing her undies with toilet paper

Well, at least she and I have something in common.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 19:12 Comments || Top||

#16  Personally, IMHO, Griffin is somewhat funnier than no comedy at all, but less funny than? Wow, I cannot think of any funny women comediennes. That is a shame. Are there any I am forgetting?
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 19:17 Comments || Top||

#17  And I meant living and not Margaret Cho, who is NOT funny. Or Tina Fey, who really isn't funny either. Amy Poehler is a little better, by not much.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 19:19 Comments || Top||

#18  Evelyn DeGeneres used to do a funny skit about riding 'coach' on an airplane.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 19:22 Comments || Top||

#19  AlmostAnonymous, that's a serious set of mudflaps.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/07/2010 19:48 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
For a Few, Pearl Harbor Still a Vivid Memory - Dec 7, 1941
Jim Morgan was sleeping a little late on the morning of Dec. 7, 1941. His mother, Beryl, had tried to wake him up at about 7:30, but the 9-year-old, whose family lived at the Navy base at Pearl Harbor, didn't stir until she came back about 25 minutes later.

He got up just in time to witness history out his bedroom window.

"I said, 'Look, Ma! There's a fire at the submarine base.' "

At that same moment, Russell Meyne was sitting down to a plate of pancakes, bacon and eggs in the mess hall at Pearl Harbor's Hickam Air Base, 2 miles away. He was hoping to revitalize himself after a night of drinking beer with his buddies, celebrating their selection to a group that would be heading to the mainland for flight training.

Suddenly, everything changed.

"The table almost bounced up and down, and all the pots and pans in the kitchen started falling on the floor," said Meyne, an Army private at the time, now 91 and treasurer of the South Carolina branch of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association.

"Then the bombing got really exciting."
Posted by: Omesh Slineger8167 || 12/07/2010 13:54 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Photos stored in camera for 68 years - Pearl Harbour Bombing
Posted by: tipper || 12/07/2010 22:09 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
Gbagbo must go, says former rebel chief as Ivorian power crisis rages on
[Daily Nation (Kenya)] The head of the former rebel movement that split Cote d'Ivoire, now supporting one of two "presidents" disputing rule of the country, said today that Laurent Gbagbo must go.

Mr Guillaume Soro, who backs fellow former prime minister Alassane Ouattara's claim to have won last month's election, said he had asked African Union envoy Thabo Mbeki to persuade Mr Gbagbo to step aside.

"There must be a transition of power," Mr Soro told La Belle France's Europe 1 radio. "There's no question of dividing Ivory Coast.''

Asked whether he would be ready to reactivate his forces to "unseat" Mr Gbagbo, Mr Soro said: "If he pushes us to it, we'll have no other choice," but insisted he was seeking a peaceful outcome.

Both Mr Gbagbo -- the incumbent since 2000 -- and Mr Ouattara claim to have won the November 28 poll, and both have declared themselves Cote d'Ivoire's new leader, plunging the West African state into a new crisis.

Mr Mbeki has flown to Abidjan on behalf of the African Union to mediate a solution, and the bulk of the international community, including the United Nations, aka the Oyster Bay Chowder and Marching Society and former colonial power La Belle France, backs Mr Ouattara.

For his part, Gbagbo has retained the loyalty of the head of the army. Mr Soro was leader of a 2002 rebellion by northern forces opposed to Gbagbo's rule.

There has since been a peace accord between the parties, and he has served as prime minister in a power-sharing government since 2007.

He has now resigned from Gbagbo's administration, but would continue as prime minister under Ouattara if the latter succeeds in forming a government.

"This regime is finished. It has been condemned. Its fate has been sealed by the sovereign people of Ivory Coast," Mr Soro said, while adding that Ouattara would guarantee Gbagbo "the privileges of a former head of state."

Mr Soro also promised to do whatever he could to protect the 15,000 French citizens in Ivory Coast, mostly in the restive commercial capital Abidjan, while adding that "for the moment they are not in danger."

Meanwhile,
...back at the ranch...
the World Bank and the African Development Bank said today the volatile situation in Cote d'Ivoire raised doubts about the "usefulness and effectiveness" of their aid programmes to the troubled nation.

"We wish to continue working with the people of Cote d'Ivoire in the fight against poverty but it is difficult to do so effectively in an environment of prolonged uncertainty and tension," the two banks said in a joint statement.

Meanwhile,
...way back at the ranch...
the European Union threatened today to slap targeted sanctions against individuals in Cote d'Ivoire if the country fails to quickly resolve a political crisis that has fuelled fears of civil war.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton stressed that United Nations resolutions provide for sanctions "against those who obstruct the peaceful transition and the election," said a European Commission spokeswoman.

"Catherine Ashton is ready to follow procedures which would envisage sanctions if there is no quick resolution to this crisis," spokeswoman Angela Filote told a news briefing.

In Gay Paree, the French foreign ministry called on the world's leading cocoa producer to find "an orderly, calm and dignified transition." Last week Ashton recognised Mr Ouattara as the victor of the election.
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France calls for "orderly transition" of power in Ivory Coast
There. Problem solved.
(KUNA) -- Amid rising tensions in Ivory Coast, La Belle France on Monday called for "an orderly, serene and dignified transition" of power in that country, where 'two' Presidents were sworn in over the weekend.

La Belle France, the United States and the United Nations, aka the Oyster Bay Chowder and Marching Society have issued statements of support for Alhasane Outtara, the challenger in the latest election and who was deemed the victor by the electoral committee and the UN.

But incumbent Laurent Gbagbo has refused to leave office and has had himself confirmed for another term by the Constitutional Council, which has supported him along with the armed forces.

Former South African President Thabo Mbeki has agreed to go to Ivory Coast to try to resolve the stand-off between Outtara and Gbagbo, both of whom have designated Prime Ministers and are seeking to form rival governments.

The French Foreign Ministry said that a transition in power should take place, meaning Gbagbo should step down as "this will allow all economic actors to pursue their activities and continue to work for the development of the country." Several years ago, Ivory Coast was wracked by a civil war between Outarra's northern supporters and the south of the country led by Gbagbo and France was forced to deploy troops to contain the situation.

French forces also destroyed the Ivory Coast air force after it had attacked a French garrison on the dividing line between the fighting parties.
Posted by: Fred || 12/07/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Meanwhile, France can't manage an orderly transition to a new retirement age.
Posted by: ryuge || 12/07/2010 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  France also drew the boundary lines right down the middle of some villages when the colonial powers divvied up Africa. The peoples of Africa do not form easily defined nations. Each region has groups and subgroups of tribes, some related, some not. The Krahn live next to the Mandinka and the Mano and the Gio in Liberia, one village speaking one language a mile from a village speaking another language. The colonial powers expected these people to somehow coalesce into modern nations.

The British at least made an effort to teach its native leaders how to run some infrastructure. La Belle France expected its former colonies to be "departements de France", "Le outremer"-- client states. The French still run the utilities in places. When Sekou Toure of Guinea didn't want to play that game in Guinea, the departing French ripped up the phone system and electrical grid on their way out.
Posted by: mom || 12/07/2010 18:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Most likely French troops are on standby.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/07/2010 21:34 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Haiti cholera toll surpasses 2,000 mark
Next time, make sure the UN troops are disease-free before letting them use the bathrooms.
You mean they've finally been potty trained?
[Iran Press TV] The corpse count from a cholera outbreak in quake-stricken Haiti has surged to over 2,000 and almost 90,000 cases of the disease have been recorded, the health ministry says.

Ever since the disease was first detected in mid-October, corpse count has continued to climb steadily and the number of infections has not reduced so far.

According to official figures released on Monday, 2,013 people have died from the water-borne bacterial infection and 88,789 cases have been recorded.

Experts believe that the actual numbers can be much higher.

The spread of the disease has been intensified by poor living conditions and the lack of decent medical facilities following an earthquake less than a year ago which almost flattened capital Port-au-Prince and claimed over 250,000 lives.

Some 1.3 million people displaced by the quake are still living in squalid tent cities in the capital and hundreds of thousands more live in sprawling and sometimes violent slums.

The World Health Organization has warned that the deadly illness will inevitably spread to other countries in the Caribbean.
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Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Attackers blow up Lenin statue
Unidentified attackers have blown up a statue of Lenin in a suburb of Russia's second largest city of Saint Petersburg in the second such attack in the past two years, police said.

The bronze statue of the Bolshevik leader in the suburb of Pushkin "was seriously damaged by the explosion, especially the base of the statue", a police spokesman said.

The explosion late on Monday night (local time) shattered the windows of a building opposite the statue but did not injure anyone.

Lenin statues are still numerous, especially in small towns, but are gradually falling into disrepair. Some have been targeted in apparent protests.

In April 2009 attackers blew a large hole in the buttocks of a Lenin statue that stands outside Saint Petersburg's Finland station, where Lenin arrived back in Russia just before the 1917 revolution and gave a famous speech.
It would be a shame to waste the one opportunity I ever get to mention Lenin's buttock shrapnel.
Police never caught the attackers but the statue was restored by city authorities and was replaced in April.
Posted by: tipper || 12/07/2010 05:59 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They need to move the relic to someplace safe that would revere it, like Berkeley in the Peoples Republic of the Bay.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/07/2010 6:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't look at Seattle. I believe they already have a statue of Lenin.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/07/2010 6:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Atlanta has Andrew Young and Maynard Jackson. Please look elsewhere.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 7:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Mike "Inclusive!" Bloomberg is out of luck- we have a statue of the slav(e)-master at Houston Street between A and B. Otherwise he WOULD be gunning for it.
Posted by: Free Radical || 12/07/2010 9:44 Comments || Top||

#5  How does it go? "I am Ozymandous, king of kings. Look upon my works and beware!"?
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 19:23 Comments || Top||


Economy
$2.5 Billion in Pay Raises for Fed Employees Over Next 2 Years
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 12/07/2010 06:45 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And the downside is?

Signed,

A Coddled Federal Employee
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 12/07/2010 12:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Max Stier, president of the Partnership for Public Service, said he doesn't expect a pay freeze to cause retention problems.

BEHOLD the downside.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/07/2010 13:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Max Stier, president of the Partnership for Public Service, said he doesn't expect a pay freeze to cause retention problems.

Given the current employment numbers? Just about everybody who has a job is holding on with both hands, public or private. They'd sit still for a 10% pay cut, so long as they could keep their jobs, just like the rest of us.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 13:14 Comments || Top||

#4  the tragedy of the $2.5B in performance awards is that most of the funds go to the senior executive service people who can most extensively and most comprehensively suck up to the political appointees.

notwithstanding this, IMO there are a lot of hard working lower paid GS 7-11s out there who deserve what they get
Posted by: Lord Garth || 12/07/2010 13:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Lord G, they may deserve what they get - but if one applies similar standards on deservedness, there are a whole lot of people in the private sector who deserve a good deal more than they get.
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/07/2010 13:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Glenmore

I agree. And in the private sector you will also see the ones who suck up to the CEO and the directors or who cook the numbers will get the biggest bonuses sometimes.

There are a lot of hard working people in AIG. They had one rogue operation which got huge bonuses but brought down the rest of the organization.
Posted by: Lord Garth || 12/07/2010 15:07 Comments || Top||

#7  the ones who suck up to the CEO and the directors or who cook the numbers will get the biggest bonuses sometimes usually
Posted by: Glenmore || 12/07/2010 19:08 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Australian Outback could soon get Internet though TV aerial
[Dawn] The humble old rooftop TV aerial could bring superfast Internet to even the most remote shack in the Australian Outback and help solve the problem of how to connect isolated communities across the globe.

Researchers in Australia from the government science agency CSIRO have developed new technology which could achieve connection speeds to compete with the best: through the tangled piece of metal already attached to most roofs.

"The basic premise is if you get good high quality analogue television you should be able to get reliable high-speed communications," project leader Ian Oppermann said.

Australia's sheer size makes universal Internet access a huge challenge, with many millions of square kilometres stretching through deserts and mountains from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific and from tropics to snow.

In some places the population is so sparse, Oppermann says they calculate the "nanopeople" per square kilometre.

The Australian government has the National Broadband Network (NBN) in the works which aims to connect 93 percent of the country to high speed Internet via a fibre optic network.

But that still leaves seven per cent without what is becoming, increasingly, a basic human right.

The NBN promises speeds of 100 megabits per second, but the new project team reckon they can match that and connect remote Australia through the spectrum once used for their TV sets.

Most people have access to a television signal and more remote communities have relatively little interference -- perfect conditions for low-frequency Internet transmission on the VHF/UHF bands.

Australia's "big bold" Internet experiment is being watched by a number of other countries mulling similar plans, many of whom Oppermann said had either completed the shift from analogue TV or were in the process of doing so.

"There are lots of parts of Australia which look a little bit like big parts of Canada, Russia, China, parts of the US, most of Africa from the perspective of where the population is distributed and the sort of conditions that people live in, purely from a communications perspective," Opperman said.

"I think Australia really stands a chance of being of global test case. If we get it right there is really an opportunity that other countries will follow what Australia is leading with."Australia began switching off its analogue TV signals in June and the transition to digital-only transmission is expected to be complete by the end of 2013, five years before the rollout finishes for the NBN.

The spectrum is then expected to be auctioned off for communications purposes and this low-frequency analogue television spectrum could be the perfect solution.

"To give you an analogy, this is beachfront property," Oppermann told AFP.

"The reason that it's expensive is that it's relatively low frequency and low frequencies travel very well. If you're after reach it's a very good piece of spectrum to have."

Unlike current GSM or 3G networks which lose download speed exponentially to increasing users, Oppermann said an analogue signal would provide a consistent speed no matter how many users there were.

This high-speed communication could revolutionise life for people living in Australia's isolated Outback, allowing for virtual appointments with a doctor or government officials.

Six farms on the southern island state of Tasmania will test the technology, which will only work in towns of less than 1,000 homes because too many buildings will obstruct the signal, next month ahead of a wider field study.

"It's not just an idea anymore," Oppermann said. "We can demonstrate that it's actually something useful."
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#1  I would have thought they would have gotten satellite internet long ago.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 12/07/2010 15:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Why the hell didn't we do this from the start?
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 12/07/2010 20:25 Comments || Top||

#3  They would be better off modding something like the 4G cell protocol from UHF to VHF.
Posted by: Water Modem || 12/07/2010 22:21 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Malaysian teen's marriage triggers reform calls
[Emirates 24/7] The marriage of a 14-year-old Mohammedan girl in a Malaysian mass wedding triggered calls Monday for reform, and restraint by religious courts empowered to approve underage unions.

Schoolgirl Siti Maryam Mahmod wed 23-year-old schoolteacher Abdul Manan Othman on Saturday in a celebration at a major mosque, after being given permission in a Sharia court.
That's one way for a girl to get her high school diploma. Mr. Wife had a great-aunt who became a nun so she could go to university.
Activist group Sisters in Islam (SIS) condemned the marriage and said that some 16,000 Malaysian girls aged below 15 were married, citing figures released by a senior government official.

"No marriage of a minor child can be deemed acceptable," spokeswoman Yasmin Masidi said in a statement.

"We deplore statements by... government officials and religious authorities giving tacit approval to the practice or passing off responsibility to the Sharia Court to determine its 'permissibility'."

Malaysian Mohammedans below the age of 16 who want to get married must obtain the permission of the religious courts to do so.

Mohammedan Malays make up about 60 per cent of the country's 28 million population and on certain issues, including family law, they are subject to Islamic justice which operates in parallel with the civil legal system.

Women, Family and Community Development minister Shahrizat Abdul Jalil also raised concern over the practice, which she said the government did not condone.

"As far as I know, she's got the consent of the (Sharia) court. But I implore the courts to be cautious," she said of Siti Maryan's marriage, according to the Star daily.

"As far as the government is concerned, a wedding does not make a marriage."

Ivy Josiah, executive director of leading activist group Women's Aid Organisation, has said that laws which allow underage marriage must be repealed by Malaysia, a conservative and mainly Mohammedan country.

"We need to remedy the flaws in the law. There are exceptions in the law. These exceptions should be removed. The government can no longer turn a blind eye," Josiah told AFP.
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Home Front: Culture Wars
STD fears sparked Assange rape case - reuters story with all the dirt
STD fears set off rape caseBy Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON | Tue Dec 7, 2010 4:27pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) The two Swedish women who accuse WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sexual misconduct were at first not seeking to bring charges against him. They just wanted to track him down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases, according to several people in contact with his entourage at the time. not only was it not rape, the women didn't even want him charged with that until the prosecuters got involved and let me guess why they were so keen to make the most out of anything they could....

The women went to the police together after they failed to persuade Assange to go to a doctor after separate sexual encounters with him in August, according to these people, who include former close associates of Assange who have since fallen out with him.



One of the women, identified in the British court hearing on Sweden's extradition request as Miss A, was listed on publicity for Assange's Swedish visit as a spokesperson for a group hosting the WikiLeaks leader.

People who were in contact with both Assange and other members of his entourage at the time say that the woman at some point invited him to stay at her residence.


According to the accounts of Assange's associates, his overnight stays at his erstwhile spokeswoman's residence soon evolved into a sexual relationship between the two. During one of their encounters, the woman later said, a condom Assange was wearing broke or split.

eople who saw Assange and the woman in the days after this incident is said to have occurred said the two displayed little if any obvious sign of tension or hostility; to some who saw them at the time, it was not clear their relationship was anything other than amicable and chaste.

A few days later, however, people who were in contact with Assange then told Reuters, a second, younger woman went to a seminar addressed by Assange.

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After hearing him speak at the seminar, the newspaper said, the woman, identified in court as Miss W, loitered outside the meeting hall, and eventually was invited to lunch with Assange and his entourage at a local bistro.

A day after their initial meeting -- which the Mail account said included a visit to a natural history museum -- Miss W agreed with Assange that he should spend the night at her apartment about 45 minutes outside Stockholm.

That night, according to the accounts of both the newspaper and people who were in contact with Assange and his inner circle, he and Miss W had sex using a condom.

The next morning, however, under circumstances which remain deeply murky, the sources said, Assange allegedly had sex with the woman again, this time without a condom. Then, after a meal during which the Mail says that the woman joked that she could be pregnant, they parted on friendly terms, with Miss W buying Assange his train ticket back to Stockholm.

Two people who were in contact with Assange's entourage before, during and after these events said that while some details are still unclear, it appears that after parting from Assange, Miss W became increasingly concerned that he might have given her a sexually-transmitted disease.

According to the sources, Miss W anxiously tried to phone Assange to plead with him to go to a doctor and be tested for sexually transmitted diseases. However, the sources said that Assange had turned his phone off, leaving Miss W no way to get in touch with him.

Becoming increasingly anxious about possible dire consequences of having had sex without a condom, Miss W then began trying to contact Assange through various people she believed were in touch with him.

This eventually led her to Miss A -- who according to people who followed the case closely was not previously acquainted with Miss W.
Attrocious. This is caled stalking. If she was worried about an STD then she should get herself on antibiotics/anti-retrovirals. Get tested in 3 months. Not stalk, harass and go to the police. This woman is the spy

The two women proceeded to compare notes on their encounters with Assange and decided that they would insist that he should go to a hospital or doctor and submit to testing for sexually-transmitted diseases. Eventually they managed to get in touch with Assange, according to a person who closely followed the case at the time.

But by the time the women had wrung this concession from Assange, the source said, it was a Friday evening and hospitals and medical clinics were closed.

At this point, Miss W, apparently exasperated at Assange's evasive behavior, decided to take her story to police, though initially she didn't want Assange to be prosecuted.

she did want him prosecuted, that was her only goal, but she pretends that isn't the case to give herself legitimacy.

According to a version of the story published by London's Guardian newspaper, which has been in close and continuing contact with Assange for months, Miss A decided to go to the police with Miss W to offer moral support, but did not want charges brought against Assange either.

After taking statements from the women, according to both published accounts and to accounts confirmed by Swedish officials at the time, police officers passed the reports on to prosecutors. Based on the reports a prosecutor serving after-hours duty on a Friday night then decided to issue a warrant for Assange's arrest on suspicion of rape -- a charge which the Guardian said at the time was related to Assange's alleged encounter with Miss W.

The next morning, however, the file was sent for review to a more senior prosecutor, who concluded there was insufficient evidence to support the rape accusation and canceled the arrest warrant. But the second prosecutor decided that the investigation should continue as a lesser accusation of "molestation" against Assange, Swedish officials said at the time.

Over the following several days, prosecutors spoke about wanting to question Assange, though also dropped heavy hints that they wanted to wrap up their investigation rapidly -- with the most likely outcome being a closing of the file.

However, new life was injected into the investigation after Miss A and Miss W hired Claes Borgstrom, a prominent Swedish lawyer. Borgstrom confirmed to reporters at the time that his clients' allegations against Assange related to efforts he made to have sex with them without wearing condoms, and his subsequent reluctance to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases.
i wonder why they suddenly wanted to hire a lawyer? where did they get the money for that? God it's so obvious what is really going on here. it's disgusting when Politics is allowed to interfere with the judicial process. Just disgusting. This is a threat to the freedom of all of us because they don't use these tactics only against enemies now we are all targets. Every Western journalist who writes anything critical of Government (UK, US, Australia) can expect similar attacks to lesser degrees unless we tell them that media is to be left alone, and the court system is to be left alone.

Borgstrom said at the time that he would appeal the authorities' initial decision to close the rape investigation to a higher authority.

Subsequently, Marianne Ny, one of three senior Swedish prosecutors who hold the title of Director of Public Prosecutions, issued a statement about the case, which, in an official translation published on the English language page of the Swedish Prosecution Authority's website, declared that: "There is reason to believe that a crime has been committed. Considering information available at present, my judgment is that the classification of the crime is rape."
and how does she get to that conclusion after consensual sex, backed up by witness accounts of happy relations after the fact, backed by text messages, backed by the original police statement....

Translation: The CIA and other intelligence agencies leant on the Swedes to use any and every possible means to attack Assange. They have interfered with the judicial system in Sweden, compromising its independence and the fundamental principal of equality before the law. This willingness to trash the norms and principles of Western Democracy is a far greater threat to our freedom than anything Wikileaks published.


In their official statement, prosecutors added that the original "molestation" investigation of Assange -- which was never officially closed -- also would continue and "will be extended to include all allegations in the original police report... There is reason to believe that a crime has been committed. Based on the information available, the crimes in question come under the heading of sexual coercion and sexual molestation, respectively."

n a flurry of statements and Twitter messages after the case first erupted, Assange and WikiLeaks charged that the whole Swedish case was the product of some kind of "dirty tricks campaign" related to the group's work. In one Tweet, WikiLeaks said that "The charges are without basis and their issue at the moment is deeply disturbing." Another Tweet said: "We were warned to expect 'dirty tricks'. Now we have the first one."

I have to say I agree. Even those that despise Assange and think of him as an enemy would have to admit that the process involved in slapping these charges on Assange looks highly suspicious

Tuesday, a lawyer representing the Swedish government laid out for a British judge four specific charges of sexual misconduct, three related to Miss A and one related to Miss W. The word "rape" was not part of the charges but "unlawful coercion" and Assange's alleged reluctance to use condoms was.

There you have it folks. You must draw your own conclusions. I respect everyone on this site as being patriots and people who care about their country. I also am a patriot and care about my country and its allies. I don't believe our Governments and their spy agencies should destroy our village in order to save it. Judicial independence and media freedom are not luxuries to be suspended and only given back once all our enemies are defeated "for our own safety". BS. We will have freeedom now and not surrender it - no matter what enemies we face.
Posted by: anon1 || 12/07/2010 17:42 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  another lengthy loggorhea attack by anon1 over Assange.
Posted by: Frank G || 12/07/2010 19:50 Comments || Top||

#2  anon1, you're missing the point. The charges were only an excuse to arrest Mr. Assange, as a famous Chicago gangster was once convicted for evading taxes on his ill-gotten gains, rather than for mass and individual murder, rum-running, houses of ill-repute, and all the other illegal activities his gang were engaged in.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 20:23 Comments || Top||

#3  For those not familar with Dr. White's turf, TW is referring to the infamous Alfonse Capone.
Posted by: Bobby || 12/07/2010 21:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Hello TW, yes, that is exactly right. The charges are a pretext.

But the law should not be used in that fashion. Especially when Assange is not a bank-robbing bandit but a journalist.
Posted by: anon1 || 12/07/2010 21:21 Comments || Top||

#5  He's a terrorist and terror supporter and should be treated like one.

He's vermin and I hope that the families of those whose death he's caused catch him and spend a few years torturing him and broadcasting it to the world.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Lost Drill Bit Division - Halliburton || 12/07/2010 21:39 Comments || Top||

#6  he's not a journalist. Jeebus. He publishes secret documents, you twit. That's espionage. Do you see him gloating over publishing documents damaging other countries? When has he published internal Russian or Chinese documents and gloated? He's an anti-western terrorist and you are too damn stoopid to explain otherwise. I'm done. It's like explaining algebra to a cat. You'll never get it
Posted by: Frank G || 12/07/2010 21:40 Comments || Top||

#7  I read somewhere that Sweden has the highest incidence of rape in Europe. If the behaviour described constitutes rape, no wonder. It wouldn't be rape in any other European country. In a Muslim country the women would be stoned to death, or at least 500 lashes.
I doubt that when their ancestors set off for a weekend of murder, rape and pillage across Ireland and England in the dark ages that rape then constituted "have you been tested for STD".
Posted by: tipper || 12/07/2010 22:04 Comments || Top||

#8  Yes, Tipper, exactly right. Not rape by any standard in Australia. Regardless of whether anyone likes or hates Assange for his politics, this at least is a fact we agree on.

to #5
A terrorist is an individual who uses violence against civilians to spark fear in order to acheive a political goal.

Julian Assange is NOT a terrorist. He is not our enemy. He is an Australian citizen.

As editor of a news site, Wikileaks, he is a journalist.

Wikileaks writes stories and gives the link to the source document so people can double check the accuracy and context for themselves.

Posted by: anon1 || 12/07/2010 22:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Maybe he's not your enemy but he is mine and the enemy of my nation for his attempts to cause political change by using terror tactics that result in people dying.

I hope that everyone that's supported him gets the same treatment as well.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Lost Drill Bit Division - Halliburton || 12/07/2010 22:18 Comments || Top||

#10  Okay. I can read. And therefore, I know the definition of rape differs in Scandinavia.

Im relatively new here. But I think Anon1 really should give the Julian Assange lectures a rest. We are all adults here. Therefore, being forcibly shoved into Anon1's world of opinions for days and days is what I object to. ANON1, PEOPLE CAN FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS. WE CAN READ. WE CAN WRITE. WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE THINK ABOUT ASSANGE. PLEASE STOP BEING ONE OF THE MOST OVERBEARING PEOPLE I HAVE HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF RUNNING ACCROSS. THANK YOU.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 22:19 Comments || Top||

#11  #9 : releasing information is not a terror tactic.

Blowing up buildings is

Persecuting journalists is

If the US extradites Assange from Sweden, if this pretext is just so he can become a "rendition" then ANZUS is dead.
Posted by: anon1 || 12/07/2010 22:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Fire and Ice: we are debating and sharing ideas.

If you want a "yes" club where everyone agrees with you, maybe Rantburg is the wrong forum. Have a look at the logo.
Posted by: anon1 || 12/07/2010 22:34 Comments || Top||

#13  "Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion- No universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism currently exists."

And it gets better. This is wikipedias blurb as of today. So terrorism is much more than blowing up building, Anon1, dear.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 22:41 Comments || Top||

#14  Anon1, it is you that wants a yes club. That is why you have been BLUDGEONING readers with your thoughts about Assange, coming at it from every angle, in hope to induce submission or just get everyone so tired of hearing you they just give up.
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 22:44 Comments || Top||

#15  #9 : releasing information is not a terror tactic.

perhaps then we should see your school grades. Your personal diaries. Any emails you sent to anybody (who KNOWS what could be in those). Your medical history. Your sexual partners. Your family and friends: all of the above. After all. It's freedom to know, eh?
Posted by: Frank G || 12/07/2010 22:44 Comments || Top||

#16  The Prophet Mohammed ordered his people to terrorize unbelievers for the purpose of causing them to surrender, either converting to the master religion or accepting dhimmi status, with all that entails. Mr. Assange's actions were, per his own admission, for the purpose of making the American government unable to function. Should he succeed in his aim, we will de facto surrender to the Caliphatists of Al Qaeda and all the other jihadi groups who have be working together to conquer us for their god.

It does not matter that the release of this and previous information is not a current terror tactic like suicide bombs, IEDs, and hijacked airplanes, or classical terror techniques like total war and murder. The purpose is to force surrender. Will he, nill he, Mr. Assange is either a part of the jihadi war or a supporter of it. Burn him. After a fair trial on charges valid in the culture in which they were made.

As for the rape rate in Sweden, nowadays a great many of them are real rapes by real jihadi gangs for the purpose of demoralizing the natives, only a portion of which are reported by the terrorized native girls. Or so I've read.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/07/2010 23:03 Comments || Top||

#17  anon1, any comment on this story, which directly contradicts his op-ed posted in opinion?
When I try to question him about the morality of what he's done, if he worries about unleashing something that he can't control, that no one can control, he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".

The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased."

It's the kind of moral conundrum that would unnerve most people, that made some wonder last week what the potential ramifications of the latest leak might be, but it is a subject on which Assange himself is absolutely clear: "You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere. Because any decision-making that is based upon lies or ignorance can't lead to a good conclusion."
Posted by: tipper || 12/07/2010 23:15 Comments || Top||

#18  Assange = Predatory Blackmail artist, not to be confused with Journalist.

The textbook definition of blackmail is when wthe threat consists of the dissemination of damaging information. AHEM.

Next up, psychological coercion, Assange's next tactic. First, the predator regards the vic's relationships and attempts to narrow the victim's available choices and allegiances in order to set up the victim to become instrumental to the predator's interests. The vic could be a person, a country, or a set of countries. The goals of coercion could be totally selfish, or couched as "altruistic" as is the case with Mr. Assange. In actuality, I suspect Mr. Assange is mostly out to gain power under the pretext of saving freedom of saving information. This type of coercion 'like saving souls' has religious underpinnings but there is nothing altruistic about it. Hence, the reason why people buck under the whip of an impure imposter posing as a soul saver.

Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 23:16 Comments || Top||

#19  Hospitals close on a weekend?
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/07/2010 23:43 Comments || Top||

#20  Translation please Skidmark?
Posted by: Fire and Ice || 12/07/2010 23:45 Comments || Top||

#21  Hello TW, I hate the jihadis too.

But Julian Assange is not trying to support the Jihadis.

Frank G: your point about whether my personal details being released is terrorism or not is not relevant in this case. Wikileaks does not publish the personal details of individuals.

"US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting." Assange in The Australian.
Posted by: anon1 || 12/08/2010 0:04 Comments || Top||

#22  @Anon1: Publishing stolen state secrets is not "journalism".
Especially since publishing said stolen state secrets has severe repercussions to America and it's allies.
Not to mention the number of people killed because of his foolish behavior.

Asshat is not a journalist. Period.

Anon1, I'm afraid your moral compass is broken.

Asshat needs to be hung by his nuts and beaten with a whiffle bat, until he understands & feels the pain he has caused the US and our allies.
Posted by: Mikey Hunt || 12/08/2010 0:05 Comments || Top||



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