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Afghanistan
U.S. Troops Mistakenly Kill 4 Afghan Soldiers
Edited for brevity.
American troops guarding the U.S. Embassy in Kabul shot and killed four Afghan soldiers Wednesday, apparently mistaking them for assailants, Afghan officials said. There were no apparent U.S. casualties, and reports varied about who fired first.

Lt. Col. Paul Kolken, a spokesman for the peacekeepers that patrol Kabul, said there were unconfirmed reports that the Afghan soldiers shot first, firing at a passing car in front of the U.S. Embassy for unknown reasons. "In doing so, they fired in the direction of the American embassy and the American soldiers standing guard there returned fire," Kolken said, adding that first shots were fired just after 10 a.m. He said the incident was under investigation.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 10:00 am || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Saudi Suspects Accused of Plotting Hijack
RIYADH - Three al-Qaida suspects arrested in Saudi Arabia this week planned to hijack a plane from the southwestern port city of Jiddah, Saudi security officials said, in what appeared to be a plot for a suicide attack. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the three men arrested Monday in Jiddah were Moroccans but offered few other details. Nawaf Obaid, a private Saudi oil security analyst with close contacts to the Saudi government, said the three were part of a larger cell that was "in the process of carrying out suicide attacks against landmarks in the kingdom."
I'm trying to figure the significance of Moroccans. It's not like they have to import jihadis...
Saudi security officials said the three suspects intended to hijack a Sudan-bound flight, but did not say if there was any plot to use the plane as a missile. The Moroccans were arrested amid a sweep following three suicide attacks in the Saudi capital Riyadh that killed 34 people on May 12. It was unclear whether investigators believe the three men were connected to the Riyadh bombings.
I'm wondering if they're connected to the bunch that did the Casablanca bombings — that would indicate Salafi Jihad has intentions of playing its own part on the international terror stage, independent of or in harmony with Qaeda. Cheeze. You really can't tell the players without a scorecard...
A Saudi official said on condition of anonymity Tuesday that investigators were aware of about 50 militants, some now dead, believed to belong to three Saudi cells, including the one that carried out the May 12 bombings. Another cell has fled Saudi Arabia and the third is at large in the kingdom. The official indicated the surviving militants were ready to volunteer for more suicide strikes, were tied to al-Qaida and had hard-core sympathizers numbering "in the low hundreds."
That's comforting. And I wonder where the one cell beat it for?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 11:25 am || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Given the Saudi habit of arresting random people and torturing them to obtain "confessions" I wouldn't put too much trust in their self-reported scorecard.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 05/21/2003 11:32 Comments || Top||

#2  OT : from what was written & said during the few last days, Morocco has adopted a rigid stance against islamonuts since the mid 90's (thanks to the Algerian example); one of the UBL's bodyguard was supposeddly a mole, and Morocco was among the countries that warned the USA of an upcoming large attack during 2001 summer; in may 2002, saudi nationals were arrested in Morocco while planning a USS Cole type boat attack, and it was revealed that during the hadj, in feb. 2003, 7 AQ members were prevented by saudi security from kidnapping a large group of moroccan pilgrims in order to secure an exchange. Basically, this country is definitively an apostate in the eyes of the Righteous True Believers.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 11:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Everyone else is either an infidel or an apostate to True Believers, and is only fit to be .. [you know the rest]
Posted by: Tresho || 05/22/2003 2:13 Comments || Top||


Sabotage artist gets sentence review
Court of Cassation, presided by Judge Qazem Al-Mazeedi, Tuesday set June 17, 2003, to issue a sentence in the appeal filed by Mohamed Abdullah Al-Dousari, the main convict in the 'sabotage ring case', sentenced to seven years by the Appeals Court after it reduced a 10-year sentence by the Criminal Court.

Al-Dousari was convicted of possessing explosives, arms and ammunition with the aim of carrying out illegal activities against the State of Kuwait. Case papers indicate Al-Dousari and 15 other men - Mohamed H. Al-Ajmi, Saud Al-Ajmi, Mishal Al-Shimmari, Talib Al-Felaij, Badi Cruz, Mohamed D. Al-Ajmi, Mohamed M. Al-Otaibi, Shafi Al-Ajmi, Fehaid Al-Ajmi, Tariq Abdullah, Mohamed Q. Al-Shimmari, Nabeel Al-Oun, Mohamed A. Al-Otaibi, Mohamed S. Al-Ajmi and Majed Al-Harbi, had planned to blow the Israeli Trade Office (I.T.O.) in Qatar in 2001.

Dousari was charged with carrying out hostile actions against a neighbouring country, Qatar, by planning to blow the I.T.O., with the help of other suspects. On Dec 4, 2001, the Appeals Court amended the verdict of the Criminal Court for seven other men in the case who were acquitted by the Criminal Court. The Appeals Court refrained from passing a verdict but released them on a KD 5,000 bail and ordered them to sign a pledge of good conduct for two years.

Some of the men were charged with stealing weapons and explosives from their workplaces at the ministries of Interior and Defence. Two of the defendants, who are police officers, are charged with aiding and facilitating the escape of one of the men to leave Kuwait before he was arrested. Members of the alleged sabotage ring were arrested and huge quantities of TNT and PE4 explosives, guns, Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) were seized from them.
On my first reading, I thought "they sprung them?" Then I read it a second time: even though they were acquitted, the appeals court still imposed conditions for their release. I had my suspicions for awhile, but I think Kuwait has decided that it doesn't need a bunch of jihadis running around blowing things up.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 10:17 am || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


'GI shooter' ordered held
KUWAIT CITY: The Court of Appeals Tuesday denied a request by Khaled Messier Al-Shimmari's lawyer, Nawaf Sari Al-Mutairi, to refer his client to the nut house Psychiatric Hospital until a decision is taken in the case and ordered his continued detention in police custody. The court then adjourned the session to June 2, 2003, to summon doctors of the Psychiatric Hospital who have prepared a report on the psychological state of Al-Shimmari, a Kuwait police officer who shot and injured two American soldiers, Master Sergeant Larry Thomas and Sergeant Charles Ellis last November. On March 5, 2003, the Criminal Court sentenced Al-Shimmari to 15 years — 10 years for attempted murder and possession of an unlicensed gun and ammunition and 5 years for taking an official weapon from his workplace without permission. The court also ordered his dismissal from work and fined him KD 316.
Kuwait doesn't seem to be screwing around with these goobers...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 10:11 am || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
UK Tourism minister taunts America’s stay-away stars
Edited for brevity.
Hollywood’S action heroes were ridiculed by a government minister yesterday for lacking the "balls" to visit Europe because of fears of a terrorist attack. Kim Howells, the tourism minister, said stars such as Tom Cruise were belying their swashbuckling screen image by being too scared to board transatlantic flights to Europe. Hard-man actors were more frightened of flying than "grannies from New York", Mr Howells added.

He said the failure of stars like Cruise - well-known for action movies like Minority Report, Top Gun and Mission: Impossible - to travel was damaging the British tourist industry because they offered a lead to other travellers from the United States. Mr Howells argued: "These people portray themselves as great action heroes and although we know they use stuntmen all the time, one would assume they would have the balls to do a simple thing like fly to Europe and set an example for the rest of the nation." Mr Howells made the characteristically outspoken remarks as he prepared to fly out to the US yesterday on a six-day trip during which he hopes to persuade more Americans to visit Britain.

However, Tony Blair’s official spokesman defended Mr Howells yesterday, saying the Prime Minister was happy for his culture minister to take on the titans of Hollywood in his role of promoting Britain abroad. "You can’t criticise ministers on the one hand for being programmed automatons and on the other take issue if they say things that perhaps are a little bit more interesting than usual," the spokesman said.
Actually, I want to visit the UK and give them some of my tourist dollars to repay them for their stand as our staunchest ally in Iraq. However, the craziness that considers a child's plastic sword to be a deadly weapon (posted here yesterday) and the concept that legal self-defense means curling up and begging for mercy do not set well with me.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 12:22 pm || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah, I visited the UK for the first time about 6 months ago - it was safe enough and I had a fantastic vacation. Go ahead and take that trip!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 05/21/2003 13:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Calling them "nancy boys" and the use of the phrase "sweet bugger all" was not called for, however.
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 13:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Mr Howells made the characteristically outspoken remarks as he prepared to fly out to the US yesterday on a six-day trip during which he hopes to persuade more Americans to visit Britain.

I'd visit the U.K. in a heartbeat and spend my hard-earned dollars there, if I could be given a guarantee that I wouldn't be fined and imprisoned if I beat the crap out of a mugger. That's the one reason why I won't go there; the nannying by the government in the U.K. is absolutely out of control.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 13:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Chuck,

Where did you get the reference about "sweet bugger all" from? I didn't see that.
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 14:40 Comments || Top||

#5  ColoradoCon: See the post above from New Zealand.
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 15:26 Comments || Top||

#6  I just got back from the UK, a military aviation symposium this time. Lots of cool historical stuff. It's Hollywood I'm afraid to travel to.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 05/21/2003 15:45 Comments || Top||

#7  just shows how ignorant the world is in believing hollywood reality...
Posted by: Dan || 05/21/2003 15:50 Comments || Top||

#8  GOSH-GOLLY-GEE! I reckon we AmerEEcan cowboys and gals better jump on a plane RIGHT NOW to prove our manhood!

God Bless the Brits, but they seriously continue to misjudge us. American's would gladly visit UK right now. Howells should have just come out and asked us to nicely...you know...to help out and to say thanks...and all.

This particular tactic is arrogant and demeaning. It can only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes of condenscending snoots who want our money, but want to be snide as they accept it.

Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 16:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Becky,
Please don't confuse shit-for-brains politicians with normal Brits. Howells is also a labour politician, ie very left-wing...

Personally, I'd love to see some 'Merkins over here, not to boost tourism earnings, but just to say to them 'hi, and welcome'. I suppose if an American politician had called me a coward for not visiting the US, I'd say "stuff it, I shall not go" (Actually, I'd still go to the US as I never take any notice of politicians - except to get wound up by them!! :)
Posted by: Tony || 05/21/2003 17:09 Comments || Top||

#10  Thanks Tony. Americans don't need to be taunted...or even "asked nicely" to visit your beautiful country, it's a joy for us to go. I just found Howell's comment so transparent and juvenile. I apologize for making it seem as if I was painting all of your countrymen with the same brush...I didn't mean to.
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 18:09 Comments || Top||

#11  I am going to the Yorkshire in August specifically to spend my tourist dollars in the UK(and watch a border collie trial). Never been there, but wish to support a friend. Last Summer we went to Toronto. Wish I could take it back.
Posted by: mb || 05/21/2003 18:19 Comments || Top||

#12  Check out the Imperial War Museum - Air Arm at Duxford for 5 huge hangers of aircraft, and the RAF museum in Hendon (London) if you are into it. Fabulous museums. I was there on Remberance Day 1992. The Brits still remember the sacrifices of our airmen today. Graves there are treated with great respect, unlike at Frogistan.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/21/2003 19:12 Comments || Top||

#13  I lived in the village of Raunds, in Northamptonshire, for a year and a half while stationed at RAF Alconbury. I'd love to go back! Problem is, no dinero! Guess I'll just have to be content with UK websites, emails to my friends at Molesworth, and a quick letter now and then to the people I still keep in touch with. Sorry, guys - not your fault, but %^%&$^ stingy Uncle Sam!
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/22/2003 0:15 Comments || Top||

#14  Guess this guy hasn't seen Top Gun,no action movie that.it's a story about 2 guys who fall in love,one kills hisself,other rides off into the sunset with his lady.(Hate that miss-advertised tear-jerker)
I would visit Great Brirain in a heart beat(same problem OP has).Besides all the cool things to see and do(like driving on the wrong side of the road and eating hagus[eeewww}).Visiting the lands and castles of my ancesters,Clan McManus(Ireland)with my son would be fantastic.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 6:46 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
We WANT tainted blood!
Moved to Fifth Column and edited, otherwise it'd be way off-topic...
Citing a federal guideline meant to prevent the blood supply from being tainted with HIV, students at Southern Oregon University have canceled a planned blood drive, saying the regulation discriminates against homosexuals, reports the Associated Press. "From my understanding, it's a rule (the federal government) made up in the 1980s, and people are not up to date," David Adkins-Brown, SOU multicultural senator, told AP.
Multicultural Senator? Put that on your resume.
Even though homosexual men account for 42 percent of HIV-AIDS sufferers, Adkins-Brown claims it is wrong to label it a homosexual disease.
Anyone want to hire this genius?
"I know I've been yelling about it for years," said Daniel Conner, a senior, according to the AP report. "I'm a gay man, and I don't like being forced to lie to help people."
I hope you don’t need blood for an operation from this guy
Don't lie. That'll help me, whether you end up giving blood or not...
The guidelines were established by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in the 1980s as a way to reduce risk to blood recipients. Intravenous drug users also are ineligible to donate blood. Dr. Leslie Holness, medical officer for the division of blood applications for the FDA, talked about the screening process. "The committee is reluctant to change present guidelines if they seem to be protective," Holness told AP. "You have to balance how much good you're doing with a safe blood supply with the bad feelings you're stirring in groups of people."
I pick a safe blood supply over hurt feeling
The student leader who made the decision to cancel the blood drive says she "made the right decision."
So what they are basically saying is we should all be put at risk to protect the feelings of people engaged in a high-risk lifstyle? I would rather not play russian roulette with the blood supply. Why not allow them to donate blood and those people who want, can ask for the Gay blood? I am sure that everyone at SOU would choose that supply. In nature they would call this Natural Selection.
Just another incident of ideology taking precedence over common sense.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 05/21/2003 10:24 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I'm a gay man, and I don't like being forced to lie to help people."

Wow. These idiots are more than willing to put others at greater risk just so they can help. No thanks buddy, people don't need your kind of "help".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 11:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Hey, we're all gay men. HIV is not just a Male Homo disease. It's hitting everbody. What about that little kid (whats his name?) that got the ball rolling years ago. Got the HIV through a blood tranfusion . The blood came from a (pick one) Catholic Nun or druggy doing tricks for cash with happy homosexual male. Hey kids at SO OR question your Multicultural Senators, it's your right
Posted by: Lucky || 05/21/2003 11:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Sorry Lucky, but your statement that "HIV is not just a Male Homo disease. It's hitting everbody" just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. In North America, a significant majority of new cases CONTINUE to be from homosexual males and IV drug users. Further, lesbian women have one of the LOWEST infection rates. There is simply no way around these facts, no matter how politically incorrect it may be to point them out.
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/21/2003 11:44 Comments || Top||

#4  In southern Africa, AIDS is largely a heterosexual disease. Why? Largely because of a widespread preference for "dry sex." Desiccating herbs are first inserted into the vagina, causing a fit so snug that tears result and blood is exchanged. Isn't cultural diversity fun?
Posted by: closet neo-con || 05/21/2003 14:39 Comments || Top||

#5  My understanding is that the lack of male circumcision also plays a role. Uncircumsized males have a dramatically higher infection rate than circumsized.
Posted by: Dishman || 05/21/2003 15:14 Comments || Top||

#6  "It's not our dance, ok?" -- Sam Kinnison
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 15:46 Comments || Top||

#7  I am not yet convinced that straight or gay sex is the cause of high African AIDS rates. Some studies blame village "doctors" who go around giving vitamin, antibiotic, and herb extract injections, often reusing needles. We have similar problems in the Latino communities here in the US, but without the AIDS. Another potential cause is prostitutes, who because they have open vaginal sores or are using anal sex as a form of birth control, are much more susceptible to AIDS than women in other populations. This may be a rare example of synergy (a word so misused that it is now almost meaningless), whereby any one of the above factors wouldn't be enough to cause an epidemic, but when all factors taken together (lack of circumcision, dry sex, dirty needles, prostitution) cause the infection rate to skyrocket.
Posted by: 11A5S || 05/21/2003 16:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Somebody ought to teach this kid the meaning of public relations. The take-away I got from this is that gay men account for 42% of AIDS sufferers in this country. WOW! Considering they make up only 10-?% of the population (can't include lesbians in that percentage) that number is shockingly high.

Seems like drug addicts and prostitutes would make up well over 50% of the remaining HIV sufferers and I'm guessing that the total number of prostitutes AND drug addicts nationwide is bigger than the total number of gay men. So using his logic, we should also encourage these groups to give blood as well.

The kid is just running around educating the public about a very bleak statistic that paints his community a negative light. But, hey, it puts him in the limelight, so what does he care?
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 18:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Becky: Don't ever expect anyone with a title of Multicultural Senator to understand concepts like correlation, contribution analysis, and risk. He probably genuinely believes that the statistics support his argument. His mathematical/logical understanding is probably limited to a few concepts like "plus," "minus," "greater than," and "lesser than." He will probably know the multiplication tables by rote, but not really understand multiplication itself. If you think I'm joking, look at the political debate over entitlements over the past two decades in which the Democrats keep accusing conservatives of cutting entitlements when in fact the conservatives are proposing to only cut the rate of growth of those entitlements. I've grown to believe that the liberals aren't lying. They simply don't understand concepts like geometric growth and compounding and are forced by this mental deficit to relate everything back to addition.
Posted by: 11A5S || 05/21/2003 19:09 Comments || Top||

#10  If A=B and C=A, does B=C? If you are a conservative, the answer is logically "yes".

For many a liberal, the answer is "yes" because all things in the universe can eventually be brought back to the single premise that EVERYTHING is George Bush's fault.
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 23:26 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Democrats for National Security formed.
[snipped. Re-run from last week...]
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 09:05 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  should be under homefront
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 9:07 Comments || Top||

#2  and – yes – Bill Clinton, bold leaders who understood that only by confronting threats abroad

Bill Clinton confronting threats abroad? You mean like accepting Osama's arrest when offered by the Sudan, or refusing to cowtow to and appease North Korea? Oh, wait......

Bill Clinton - "bold leader" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 05/21/2003 9:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Good news! I'm all for watching the Dems fragment, and especially if every fragment keeps claiming allegiance to the "Spirit of Bill"!
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 9:18 Comments || Top||

#4  More "liberal hawks", or actually plain "real liberals", would be much needed, and not only in the USA. OT : Again, a wholy republican Rantburg would not be an improvement, especially for foreign readers who don't care much about US "partisan politics". Dems-Reps arguments, except if directly WOT-related, may be 'fought' elsewhere.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 9:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Articulating a strong defense as a talking point isn't enough to help the Dems. They need to have it as a guiding principle, and this is totally opposite the platform their base believes in. They, faced with a fiscal choice between new inner-city social programs and a strong defense, will ALWAYS choose the social oprograms - that's what gets them votes from their constituency. All their blather and criticism on homeland security was exposed as power politics when they opposed non-unionized screners at the airports - and they haven't changed. Talking points won't cut it
Posted by: Frank G || 05/21/2003 9:28 Comments || Top||

#6  As I've implied before, just as the Republicans seem to have successfully dumped their Buchanan-Falwell baggage, the Dems seriously need to distance themselves from the Moore-Sarandon moonbats if they want to have any chance in 2004. It goes both ways, pandering to the party extremists is a sure path to defeat.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 05/21/2003 9:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Talk is cheap -- and if you expect to get anything more from the Democrats than that, you're kidding yourself.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 9:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Maybe I am naive about the political maneuverings that this organization represents, but it greatly encourages me that our nation's oldest political party has a faction that takes our national security seriously. Rather than debating from the poles, we can have a discourse in the middle and the end product will result in a sound policy to defend this great nation.
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 9:59 Comments || Top||

#9  Yawn. Same tired stuff, LH. Wet the finger, check the winds, and move to the center. For a while. The Dems have made themselves irrelevant. The ones to watch out for are the Repubs. GB1 was a poser. Reagan was not all that to conservatives. And Newt was a premature ejaculator. During the 'republican revolution' the Fed got larger (and not just the debt) and we got lip-service from Washington.

Don't get too caught up with Dem vs. Rep. We'll get NAFTA'd no matter who's in the seat.
Posted by: Scott || 05/21/2003 10:00 Comments || Top||

#10  We saw this a week ago.
Posted by: someone || 05/21/2003 10:00 Comments || Top||

#11  I would prefer a Democrat who stands strong on national defense - folks like the late Scoop Jackson or the present Senator Dorgan - rather than a Republican who waffles on their position.
Posted by: MusicMan || 05/21/2003 10:02 Comments || Top||

#12  An ad! Good on ya, Fred. With the right rig, you could edit this thing from beach in St. Croix. But no rest for the weary. Get your lamp, Diogenes, head over to the ME and tell us what is REALLY happening.
Posted by: Scott || 05/21/2003 10:22 Comments || Top||

#13  Anonymous
you sound like the US is the only country with partisan politics.
Posted by: Dan || 05/21/2003 10:43 Comments || Top||

#14  Dan : certainly not, but it is just that I'd prefer reading about WOT (preferably with jihadi being ridiculized as the bloodthirty, dangerous fascists they are), instead of getting people saying how they hated clinton & co.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 11:58 Comments || Top||

#15  I'm suspicious that "Anonymous" is "Liberalhawk's" alter ego.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 12:30 Comments || Top||

#16  not in this case, no
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 12:41 Comments || Top||

#17  I'm suspicious that "Anonymous" is "Liberalhawk's" alter ego.


I doubt it. LH is a good man, and a brave one to keep posting in here! He owns up to his own words.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 12:45 Comments || Top||

#18  i do sometimes post as anon by mistake - just as i put a post like this under "india - pakistan"!!!!
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 13:43 Comments || Top||

#19  apparently the founders of this site had a column in todays WSJ

via Drezner

"Mr. Clinton's victory in 1992 convinced many Democrats that the Republican advantage on national security was no longer consequential. But the 1992 campaign was an exception--Mr. Clinton's election took place in the context of post-Cold War euphoria over the "end of history," with politicians salivating over the prospects of a "peace dividend."


Democrats have yet to fully comprehend the new reality of the post-Sept. 11 world. While most Americans viewed the war in Iraq through the prism of the Twin Towers attacks, many prominent Democrats still seem not to grasp the profound sense of insecurity that so many people feel in our country. This unease is especially pronounced among women, who have been a cornerstone of our party's strength and without whom we cannot hope to win back the White House or Congress."


Per Drezner, they particularly take on Dukakis in the column.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 13:56 Comments || Top||

#20  heres a link to the article, entitled "what would Scoop do?"

Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 14:00 Comments || Top||

#21  oops - well anyway its on their website, under "news"
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 14:01 Comments || Top||

#22  The problem with American liberalism is that it has no boundary on its left. Conservatism does have a boundary on its right: Nazis and fascists are not only excluded from the fold, they are utter enemies. Even Pat Buchanan, or so its seems to me, is is largely beyond the pale (am I right here?). I also think that the righthand wing of conservatism -- be it the authoritarianism of Ashcroft or the theocratic tendencies of the evangelicals -- remains essentially liberal (in the traditional sense). I don't think that they (Ashcroft or Falwell) fundamentally want to destroy liberty and democracy (although this last assertion makes my liberal family members question my sanity).

Liberalism, on the other hand, merges seemlessly into social democracy, then socialsm, then marxism, deep ecology, radical feminism, radical postmodernism, queer theory, and everything else lefty extreme. Ironically, in its ultimate destination leftward it can become indistinguishable from nazism. Ideological infections radiates outward, destroying American liberalism -- making it an enemy of liberty, hence deeply anti-liberal. I know that many of my leftist colleagues would like nothing more than to destroy American liberty and democracy.

I have undergone a political transformation during the Iraq War, from being a left-liberal critic of the radical left (the ultimate thankless position!)to becoming a militant centrist (by "militant" meaning that I am in utter awe of the US armed forces -- an organization that I was raised to disdain)and a radical anti-radical. There are quite a few others like me, or so I suspect. We
have always voted for Democrats. Not this time.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 05/21/2003 23:00 Comments || Top||

#23  after watching TV news coverage tonight of the democrats stumping, it's clear that they finally got smart and decided just to IGNORE the whole security issue all together. HEALTHCARE, DEFICITS, and issues near and dear to RUAL VOTERS....yeaaah...that's the ticket.

Not saying their smart, just saying they are smart enough to realize that bashing Bush is backfiring like their support of gun control. As my mother used to say..if you haven't got anything nice to say....
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 23:11 Comments || Top||

#24  ha ha, I guess I should have said, "not saying that they're smart". heh heh.
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 23:18 Comments || Top||


Iraq
The costs of war
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has ordered the U.S. military to collaborate on a "lessons learned" study of the Iraq war. That will take months, but the air commander, Lt. Gen. Michael Moseley, has had a team from his "analysis and assessments" staff compile some raw numbers. Some highlights of the 16-page report:
  • 423,998 U.S. MILITARY personnel were deployed;
  • other Coalition forces sent an additional 42,987 troops.
  • The total is roughly equivalent to the
    population of Albuquerque, N.M.
  • The war lasted 720 hours.
  • The allies
    flew more than 41,400 sorties.
  • That consumed 18,622 tons of fuel, enough
    to keep a Boeing 737-300 airliner aloft for about 12 years.
  • The Coalition flew 1,801 aircraft-all but 138 were American.
  • The Iraqis were showered with 31,800,000 leaflets bearing 81 different Messages. End to end, the leaflets would have made 120,454 rolls of toilet paper.
  • Coalition forces lost 20 aircraft, but only 7 as a result of enemy fire.
  • Search-and-rescue teams flew 55 missions and saved 73 people.
  • 80 aircraft were flown to gather intelligence; they took 42,000 pictures of the battlefield, transmitted 3,200 hours of video and eavesdropped on 2,400 hours of Iraqi communications.
  • Known costs: $917,744,361.55 - an amount equivalent to 46 minutes, 10.5 seconds' worth of total U.S. economic output in 2001.
In other words, we liberated Iraq with less than an hour's worth of economic effort. Doesn't this redefine the word "superpower"?
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 08:00 pm || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The allies flew more than 41,400 sorties. That consumed 18,622 tons of fuel,"
Less than 1000 lbs of fuel (about 150 Gallons) per sortie? That can't be right.

I'll bet MSNBC mangled this number and that 18,622 tons of fuel is only what was actually delivered by aerial tanker during air to air refueling missions.
Posted by: Dave || 05/21/2003 20:25 Comments || Top||

#2  "Known costs: $917,744,361.55 " - Less than a billion dollars! Most estimates are in the 50 to 100 billion range.
Posted by: Phil B || 05/21/2003 21:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Dave, of those 41,400 sorties, there's a good probability that more than half of those were rotary-wing aircraft. They don't guzzle fuel quite like a fast-mover.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/22/2003 0:55 Comments || Top||

#4  The war's not over, not by a long shot. The shooting has died down a bit. This estimate is premature.
Posted by: Tresho || 05/22/2003 2:32 Comments || Top||

#5  OP. Some were helos. And some were B-52's flying from England and DG. Just for grins and giggles I looked up some typical loadings: F18C 4,926 Kg internal fuel. F18E 6,531 Kg.

At those numbers even if tactical fighters were only 10% of missions flown that would account for ALL the fuel documented in the MSNBC report. 1000 LBs per mission (440 Kg) still looks a little low for an overall average.
Posted by: Dave || 05/22/2003 2:38 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Manila raid nets 7 ‘MILF operatives’
GOVERNMENT security forces on Wednesday averted a plot to launch a series of bombings in Metro Manila with the arrest of seven suspected members of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in a predawn raid in Tondo. The Western Police District director, Chief Supt. Pedro Bulaong, identified the suspects as Abdulbasit Macalaw, 33; Jimmy Salik, 27; Romeo Romo, 39; Abdulwahid Mamuro, 38; Ricky Mendoza, 26; Into Kamid, 60 and Arip Macalawa, 40. Confiscated from them were 4 kilos of ammonium nitrate, 16 pieces of non-electrical blasting caps and assorted time devices. The arrest came days after the PNP put the Metro Manila police on full alert for possible terrorist activities in Metro Manila. Hinting that more arrests would be made soon, Bulaong said police are still following up operations. “We hope to get some more suspects,” he said. Seventy-five persons were arrested in the raid, but only 10 were held in custody after the rest were cleared. “Besides these seven, three were also found to be murder suspects,” Bulaong said.
Given the ages of this bunch, it looks like these are higher-ups than the usual 18-25 year-old cannon fodder...
MILF spokesman Eid Kabalu, denied the three were MILF members, saying the raid was part of a government-sponsored crackdown on Muslim communities to impress the US and justify the move to tag the MILF a foreign terrorist organization.
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Indonesia Charges Alleged Bombing Planner
BALI - Indonesian prosecutors on Wednesday formally charged the alleged mastermind of last year's terror bombings in Bali, which killed 202 people, mostly foreign tourists. The suspect, Imam Samudra, is believed to be a senior member of Jemaah Islamiyah, the al-Qaida-linked regional terror group that has been blamed for the near-simultaneous bombings at two Bali nightclubs on Oct. 12. Samudra, one of 33 people detained for the attack, was charged under the country's new anti-terror laws with planning the bombings. If convicted, he could face the death penalty, said Mohammed Salim, a spokesman for the prosecution. Police say Samudra learned bomb making in Afghanistan. He has admitted carrying out the bombings to reporters and has showed no remorse, saying the attack was to avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide. He was also charged with the bombings of four churches in Riau province in 2000 and the robbery of a jewelry shop, the proceeds of which were allegedly used to finance the Bali attack. He is expected to face trial within 10 days, Salim said.
I'm hoping to see his neck lengthened by the end of the year, myself...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 11:46 am || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Death will be by firing squad.

Even their families have given up on them. The sister-in-law of Amrozi was asked what the outcome of the trial would be, her answer "They will execute them, OBVIOUSLY!"
Posted by: Russell || 05/21/2003 21:52 Comments || Top||


Indonesia Continues Attack on Rebels
BANDA ACEH - Helicopters fired rockets at rebel bases and troops were ordered to shoot arsonists on sight Wednesday as Indonesia's military intensified its offensive against separatist guerrillas in Aceh province. Senior army officers said soldiers killed 10 rebels on the third and bloodiest day of the assault, but separatists put the death toll at 13, including 10 civilians. The Indonesian Red Cross said there were 10 fatalities. There were no reports of military casualties. The operation, the largest since Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, was ordered by President Megawati Sukarnoputri after weekend peace talks in Tokyo broke down. The region has a distinct language, culture and a stricter brand of Islam than practiced in the rest of Indonesia.
Guess which one?
Empowered by a presidential declaration of martial law, Aceh military commander Maj. Gen. Endang Suwarya ordered his men to shoot arsonists after unidentified men torched about 200 schools and public buildings in recent days. Suwarya also said he might bar the media from quoting rebel sources in their reports. Most of the fighting Wednesday was close to the northern town of Bireun, where Suwarya said seven rebels were killed. Troops also killed three other insurgents elsewhere in the province, including one on a beach close to Banda Aceh, he said. "The military are coming out in big numbers on land, on sea," rebel spokesman Tengku Agam Agam said.
And shooting beachcombers, I guess...
More schools were burned on Wednesday after each side accused the other of arson. Aceh Gov. Abdullah Puteh said: "The rebels have an evil agenda to make the Acehnese people stupid. A generation of Acehnese will be lost if this continues."
"They don't need them damn' schools, long's they kin read the Koran..."
Also Wednesday, three helicopters fired rockets at suspected rebel bases on two islands close to the provincial capital, Banda Aceh, said air force Col. Nazirsyah, who goes by single name. Marines also landed on the islands, but there was no immediate word on casualties, he said.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 11:39 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Terror Networks
Ayman sez to kill more people
CAIRO - The pan-Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera aired excerpts Wednesday of what it said was an audiotape of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant calling on Muslims to imitate the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in strikes on the United States and its allies in the war on Iraq. "Consider your 19 brothers who attacked America in Washington and New York with their planes as an example," a strong voice could be heard saying as the station showed a file photo of the lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, wearing a white turban. Children's voices could be heard in the background on the tape. "Oh Muslims, take your decision against the embassies of America, England, Australia and Norway, their interests, their companies and their employees," the speaker said. "Turn the earth under their feet into fire... Here is Saudi Arabia, where planes are launched from their airports, from its lands. Here is Kuwait, where the heavy armies march from its lands. Here is Qatar, where the command of the campaign is based there. Here is Bahrain, the command of the (U.S. Navy) Fifth Fleet remains inside it. Here is Egypt, the marine ships pass through its canal. Here is Yemen, the crusader ships are provided with fuel. Here is Jordan, where the crusader troops are present, and the batteries of the Patriot missiles are erected their to protect Israel."
He's just not happy with anybody, is he? And no doubt there will be a new wave of attacks in response to his grumblings.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 11:15 am || Comments || Link || [26 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's their beef with Norway? can the Islamofascists distinguish betwixt Scandinavian countries?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 05/21/2003 11:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Peacekeepers in Afghanistan, arrested Mullah Krekar, the leader of Ansar al-Islam, supported the US in Iraq and are willing to send troops as part of the occupation force.
Posted by: Fred || 05/21/2003 13:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Norwegian Air Force planes have been used in Afghanistan. And, of course, their Defense Minister, yummy Kristin Krohn Devold, is set to be the next Secretary General of NATO. Did I mentions she's yummy?
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 13:25 Comments || Top||

#4  And here is Iraq, where slimy toads like you got it in the neck, real recent-like. Remember? Good. Now STFU.
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 16:55 Comments || Top||

#5  yep Chuck - googled her image: here it is
Posted by: Frank G || 05/21/2003 18:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Oh Muslims, kill all who fail to submit to me!
Posted by: Tresho || 05/22/2003 2:44 Comments || Top||


Thumping Scheer
Hugh Hewitt's got a blog. At the moment, he's taking apart Robert Scheer of the LA Crimes Times. Glenn Reynolds and Roger Simon (and a host of others) also administer well-deserved lumps to Scheer, who seems to have swallowed whole the BBC story asserting that Jessica Lynch's rescue was a staged event, complete with blanks and flash-bangs to make it look neat, thereby drawing even more support for the war from a gullible public.
"We were surprised," Dr. Anmar Uday told the BBC about the supposed rescue. "There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital. It was like a Hollywood film. [The U.S. forces] cried 'Go, go, go,' with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions," Uday said. "They made a show for the American attack on the hospital — [like] action movies [starring] Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

The footage from the raid, shot not by journalists but by soldiers with night-vision cameras, was fed in real time to the central command in Qatar. The video was artfully edited by the Pentagon and released as proof that a battle to free Lynch had occurred when it had not.

This fabrication has already been celebrated by an A&E special and will soon be an NBC movie. The Lynch rescue story — a made-for-TV bit of official propaganda — will probably survive as the war's most heroic moment, despite proving as fictitious as the stated rationales for the invasion itself.

If the movies, books and other renditions of "saving Private Lynch" were to be honestly presented, it would expose this caper as merely one in a series of egregious lies marketed to us by the Bush administration.
Beebs had already begun backing off the story by the time Scheer bought it, making him look even more mendacious (Andrew Sullivan's term, I believe) than usual, which is difficult. It's amusing to watch the process, and Scheer certainly deserves the bruising, but I think by now most people put him in the same class as Maureen Dowd — they're not analyzing anything, not producing real thought, they just hate Bush. And the rest of us had better straighten up, too.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 10:58 pm || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Have you read Paul Krugman's lies as well? He's had to do like 10 corrections/apologies/excuses on his web site from his NYTimes columns
Posted by: Frank G || 05/22/2003 7:21 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon
Franjieh: Ein el-Hellhole violence won’t spread
Health Minister Suleiman Franjieh predicted Tuesday that recent clashes between factions in the Ein el-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp would not spread to neighboring areas.
"Nope. Nope. Won't happen. That 'cuz, ummm..."
In a news conference held at his office, Franjieh said that while Lebanon is a sovereign state with its own army and its security forces, the camps have been out-of-bounds for a long time. Moreover, since the latest clashes occurred among the Palestinians, he said that it was up to them to sort out their own differences.
"What's it got to do with us? What do we look like? The government?
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Residents return to Ein el-Hellhole
Residents of the Ein el-Hilweh refugee camp have tentatively returned to their homes Tuesday to inspect the damage caused by the violent battle between various factions in the camp, while armed men remained on alert behind sand barricades as a shaky cease-fire seemed to hold.
Daily Star has a two column presentation. The companion article to this is titled — so help me, God — "Lahoud: Israel not interested in peace"...
A number of people who had fled the camp seeking safety were devastated to find many of their homes and neighborhoods in ruins. Electricity wires could be seen dangling on the ground and broken glass littered the camp’s main road.
Not an Israeli was in sight...
Resident Umm Qassem started screaming as she wandered among the rubble that was her home, trying to avoid water spilling from shattered pipes. “They destroyed my home, my furniture,” she cried. “It was terrible, we could hear the gunmen shouting whenever one of them was wounded.”
Yeah. Damn those Jews!
Another resident in the camp, Abu Amer, who was busy repairing a water pipe, said his family had taken refuge in the bathroom during the fighting. Walid Hajjaj, whose home was hit by a shell, added sadly that “armed men broke into homes and were hurling hand grenades at one another. It is regrettable that in Palestine they are fighting the Jews, while here we are fighting each other.”
Oh. It wasn't the Jews. Does that matter?
Rival groups in the embattled camp agreed Tuesday to discuss controversial issues, in particular the withdrawal of armed men and the burial of those killed in the fighting. As a dubious calm descended on the camp following Monday’s fierce fighting, which left seven people dead and more than 50 wounded, peacemakers shuttled between the antagonists in an attempt to establish order and restore normal life.
Wonder if they imported them from Oslo or Brussels or someplace?
The Daily Star learned that an accord to bury on Wednesday those who had been killed had been reached. One of Monday’s victims was Yehia Shreidi, the uncle of the leader of Usbat al-Nur, Abdullah Shreidi, who was seriously wounded in an assassination attempt during the weekend.
Sepsis set in yet? How about some gangrene? Indigestion, at least?
Differences over the venue for burying Yehia Shreidi was the reason behind the most recent spate of fighting. Latest reports said it was agreed to bury Yehia in a graveyard other than the one his relatives had chosen and insisted on.
Well, of course. It's normal for people to have gun battles over where Uncle Whatsisname gets buried... Why, when my Uncle Vernon kicked it — uhhh... You don't want to know about that one.
Friction between Islamists and mainstream Palestinian factions had been mounting for weeks in the Sidon-based camp and many fear the cease-fire will be a temporary one.
"Yar! We be Islamists!"
"Yar! We be Paleostinians!"
"Yar! Yer ugly!"
"Yar! Yer mudder wears combat boots!"
“We are maintaining a cease-fire based on a decision by Islamic groups in the camp,” said one Usbat al-Ansar official, who goes by the name Abu Obeida. “We have taught them an important lesson and are ready to defend Islam if the infidels renew their assault on us,” he added.
Islamists are very big on education. They're always teaching somebody or other a lesson...
For his part, a Fatah official said the group agreed to the cease-fire for the sake of civilians, accusing the Islamists of being heedless in that respect. “They put their whole force into the battle,” he said, adding they had benefitted from financial, material and operational help from Islamic Jihad, another fundamentalist group.
"Yar! We be..."
"Oh, shuddup!"
Information Minister Joseph Samaha said: “Terrorist groups that have taken over refuge in the camp threaten to become a factor of destabilization.” The government, he told reporters at his office, “is working on anticipating the spread of their threat outside the camp or their causing of negative repercussions on the country’s security.”
Doesn't seem like the place was too stable before they showed up. I'll admit, though, that the corpse count's gone up since they got there...
A military expert was quoted as saying the fundamentalists had fought tenaciously, demonstrating their determination for victory.
"Yeah. You don't even wanna mess wit' dem boyz. They're crazy!"
The Imam of Al-Quds Mosque in Sidon, Sheikh Maher Hammoud, held a press conference in his office Tuesday, reaffirming that the cease-fire agreed upon was in force. He said the various Palestinian factions, the people’s committees and influential figures had shown keenness to establish security at the camp and resolve the crisis through dialogue.
"Resolve the crisis through dialogue"? With seven dead, fifty wounded, and all the common folk chased out?
“What has occurred in the camp and the resort to arms over trifling matters calls for pity, as it has tarnished the image of Palestinians and Lebanese-Palestinian relations everywhere, at a time when ‘heroic operations’ are being carried out in Israeli-occupied territories,” he said.
It's similar orifices who're doing the same sort of things in Paleostine. Why should we think they're remotely different?... Oh, yeah. I forgot. They've got a President-for-Life...
He appealed to “all forces” to display responsibility and forget the past, indicating that a meeting had been held with the region’s Lebanese Army command. He also paid tribute to the army’s role in helping stop the discord, facilitating the entry of ambulances at the camp’s checkpoints and preventing civilians from entering dangerous areas.
But being afraid to actually go into the camp and shoot all the Bad Guys they saw...
He then went to the camp where he met the chief Fatah official, Khaled Aref, as Jamaa Islamiya deputy secretary-general Ali Sheikh Ammar, was also meeting with representatives of Usbat al-Ansar. ­
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Home Front
Byrd Says Bush Built ’House of Cards’ on Iraq War
Some guys just don't quit digging when their holes already deep enough
Sen. Robert Byrd, the Senate's most outspoken fool critic of President Bush, on Wednesday accused him of constructing a "house of cards, built on deceit" to justify the war against Iraq. Byrd of West Virginia, the Senate's senior Democrat who has repeatedly condemned the war to oust Saddam Hussein, accused the Bush administration of luring the American public into war by inflating threats posed by Saddam, bungling the war's aftermath and awarding reconstruction contracts "to administration cronies."
"And you haven't named any of the new facilities after me dammit"
"Eventually, like it always does, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built on deceit, will fall," he said on the Senate floor. While Byrd said the administration "assiduously worked to alarm the public" with threats posed by Iraq, in the war's aftermath it has become "painfully clear" the country posed no immediate threat.
Time to unveal the WMD's now?
Searches for its alleged weapons of mass destruction so far have "turned up only fertilizer, vacuum cleaners, conventional weapons and the occasional buried swimming pool," he said. "Were our troops needlessly put at risk? Were countless Iraqi civilians killed and maimed when war was not really necessary? Was the American public deliberately misled? Was the world?" Byrd also said that by putting off Iraq's move to self-government, "It is all too clear that the smiling face of the U.S. as liberator is quickly assuming the scowl of an occupier."

He said the recent resurgence of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network also showed that instead of weakening terror groups with the Iraq war, "we have given them new fuel for their fury."
And we all know the poor little buggers can't control themselves... Ooops. I said "bugger." My bad...
Byrd criticized congressional colleagues who he said have failed to get answers from Bush on expected costs and time frames for U.S. troops to remain in Iraq, and costs for rebuilding it. "We cower in the shadows while false statements proliferate," he said, accepting "soft answers and shaky explanations because to demand the truth is hard, or unpopular, or may be politically costly."
As opposed to soft heads and shakey hands, huh, Sen Foghorn Leghorn (D-KKK)
Posted by: Frank G || 05/21/2003 04:46 pm || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Unveal? I meant unveil, of course. Unveal is yesterday's post on mad cows
Posted by: Frank G || 05/21/2003 17:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Bush wouldn't be getting this grief if the war had been named "Operation Robert Byrd".

Posted by: Dushan || 05/21/2003 18:06 Comments || Top||

#3  This byrdbrained beauzeau is not likely to get re-elected, is he?
Posted by: A nonny mouse || 05/21/2003 18:24 Comments || Top||

#4  More Nazi rhetoric from the old Klansman himself.
Posted by: badanov || 05/21/2003 19:00 Comments || Top||

#5  If Daschle's smart, which he isn't, he put's somebody up in the Senate balcony with a tranquilizer gun and orders to blast away as soon as the Kleagle opens his mouth.
Think it's time for Byrdbrain to head for the "Robert Byrd Federal Alzheimers Clinic"?
Posted by: tu3031 || 05/21/2003 19:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Byrd is what you get when bovine spongiform encephalytis crosses the species boundary and infects a quasi-human. Reference the human/chimp discussion earler - Byrd is a howler monkey.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/22/2003 0:35 Comments || Top||


Explosion at Yale Law School
Breaking news...no link yet. CNN reports an explosion at Yale Law School apparently in the mail room, with possible partial collapsed floor. POTUS was speaking in New London today at Coast Guard Academy, Yale is in New Haven CT.
Posted by: seafarious || 05/21/2003 04:21 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mail to the Bush daughters would likely be diverted before reaching the mail room.

I vote for "not terror".

School's out and college students ship stuff home, including stuff that maybe ought not to go into the mail.

And, finals are over, grades out. College students go berserk every year about this time at their colleges. Look at the Case-Western shooting recently.

If the next day sees more, I'm wrong. Else, I vote for something that shouldn't have been mailed, or a disgruntled student.
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 17:01 Comments || Top||

#2  I read that a column of smoke can be seen from a distance. Sounds like a pretty big boom to me...
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 05/21/2003 17:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Instapundit mentioned steam vents in the building. Its possible the column of smoke is just escaping steam.
Posted by: Yank || 05/21/2003 18:20 Comments || Top||

#4  Instapundit also has a link to the Yale newspaper online edition, that has a bit more information. Link is http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=22881

Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/22/2003 0:29 Comments || Top||


International
axis of weasels finally caves on Iraq
France, Germany and Russia have decided to back the latest draft of a U.S.-proposed resolution lifting U.N. sanctions on Iraq, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said Wednesday. "Even if this text does not go as far as we would like we have decided to vote for this resolution," Villepin said at a joint news conference with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and Russian counterpart Igor Ivanov. The resolution would end almost 13 years of U.N. sanctions against Iraq. A U.N. Security Council vote on the draft resolution is scheduled for Thursday.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 03:21 pm || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Now watch. They're not voting for, they're voting four resolutions. Yep, we need three more until the resolutions get lifted. This is the axis of weasals, after all.
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 15:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm really surprised they didn't hold out for some sort of concession that the UN take more control in setting up the Iraqi interim government. However, I won't complain!
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 15:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Their brains are clear enough to see the chaos that comes with real nation building. With far fewer resources and a even more ineffective bureaucracy, someone is waking up at the UN that they really don't want the mission. Better to leave it in the American hands which at least provides them sport in criticizing the only nation on the planet capable of pulling it off.
Posted by: Don || 05/21/2003 16:36 Comments || Top||

#4  The UN can't even make any progress on an African or any other nation they decide to dabble in. They do not want the responsibility, so like Don said, the AoW bought a ticket so they can grandstand. Only the US would take on the responsibility and the heat of un-f--king this twisted country called Iraq. On another note, there NEEDS to be a FULL ACCOUNTING of the Oil for Palaces Food Program. There is too much money out there to let go. In this case Kofi and Chiraq have some explaining to do and the should NOT be let off the hook. We need to stick to this one like flies on s--t.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/21/2003 17:12 Comments || Top||

#5  If I had known about the clandestine nature of U.N.accounting I would have been screaming bloody murder.Question:Do the members(Governments)of the U.N.have complete access to the U.N.s books?
If no,then why the hell not?

I had a set-too with a V.A.hospital middle level beaurocrat,dumb ass had the temerity to tell me a had no right to access my medical records.That the records belong to the V.A. and noone else.10 minutes later I was hand carrying my records to the vascular surgeon.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 7:48 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Moussa - resistance is legitimate
Amr Moussa the Arab League's Secretary General affirmed that the Palestinian resistance operations to confront the aggressive Zionist occupation are legitimate and normal.
Then his lips fell off...
After his meeting with Nabil Shaath, the Palestinian Foreign Minister, he said that the region is passing through a highly serious and delicate stage and as along as there is occupation there will be resistance.
He's referring, of course, to the recent spate of suicide boomings. Their legitimacy can, I suppose, be argued by scholars and statesmen and such — my personal opinion is that they're the dirtiest pool imaginable and that their perpetrators and supporters will rot in the lowest depths of Hell, but I suppose I could be wrong. I don't have a turban, after all, and as an agnostic I don't know if there is a hell. Describing them as "normal," on the other hand, lends a new dimension to the work "ludicrous." If they were "normal," then other peoples other than Paleos and Paleo taste-alikes would use them, for instance Lapplanders, Esquimeaux, Samoans, and Peruvian highlanders.
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Sammy's maybe alive, but the money's gone
Washington Times carries a story and the poor Paleos, and how the checks delivered by the Arab Liberation Front from Saddam Hussein aren't arriving anymore.
With the overthrow of Saddam's regime, the flow of an estimated $30 million to Palestinian families has ended. The last payment came a week before the start of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

While the public relations effect of the payments overshadowed the minor contribution to the Palestinian economy, the loss of Iraqi support underlines the narrowing circle of outside backers for Palestinian militants.

"When an Arab regime that is known to support the Palestinian cause falls, it weakens the Palestinian national struggle," said Wassel Abu Yusef of the Palestine Liberation Front, whose leader — Achille Lauro hijacker Abu Abbas — was captured in Iraq last month.

"This support helped the Palestinian people and the martyrs' families to continue the struggle against the Israelis," he said.

With annual per capita income in the West Bank and Gaza Strip at less than $850, the Iraqi payouts were a windfall for the bereaved families.

Mr. Shkukani, a retired local employee of the United Nations, said the $25,000 has been exhausted since the money was divvied up among the nine surviving siblings, including university tuition for a sister living in Youngstown, Ohio.
Shkukani is a retired UN employee... And his kid is a retired suicide boomer.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 02:42 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cutting off the money supply from Iraq was a great start. Now we have to go to work on Iran's and Saudi's contributions and we will make some real progress in the WOT. Sorry Shkukani, we do not agree with cashing your kids in for boom money. Better teach them a real trade.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/21/2003 14:54 Comments || Top||

#2  There is something so utterly revolting that it could only be PLO related about sending your kid to college on blood money from Saddam.
Posted by: JAB || 05/21/2003 15:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't you think the INS ought to take a look at this gal? Family of a homicide bomber, money from Saddam. Should she be in the United States?
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 15:31 Comments || Top||

#4  JAB where do you think they are taught such radical views? Arab universities are not left wing enough, they have to go to an American college to complete the indoctrination. And gosh boys and girls if we have no money for bombs, what can we possibly do???
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 05/21/2003 15:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps she's attending the Center for Working Class Studies at Youngstown State?
Posted by: Fred || 05/21/2003 16:10 Comments || Top||

#6  "Bereaved families"? I thought they were all happy and shit that junior went and blowed up so danged good. Must've been the money they were gettin' for encouraging the kid to commit mass murder...
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 16:50 Comments || Top||

#7  A UN guy who sacrificed one of his children as a suicide boomer. Well, goes to show what we knew already; the UN is chock full of conflicts of interest. But you knew that, right.

Oh,and one of his other children is here on the boom bucks? I agree with Chuck. Yo! INS!
Posted by: A nonny mouse || 05/21/2003 18:32 Comments || Top||

#8  I smile broadly as I say"eat sh^t,asswipe"

"No more goodies in the pipeline"
10cc,70's rock band.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 8:25 Comments || Top||


Chimps genetically close to humans
I checked, and this is totally unrelated to the WOT. But it's interesting...
Chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should properly be considered as members of the human family, according to new genetic research.
Perhaps at the gene level. I happen to know that they smell different. There are also gross physical dissimilarities, most notably the conformation of the pelvis, which is a bit over twice as high as the human pelvis...
Scientists from the Wayne State University, School of Medicine, Detroit, US, examined key genes in humans and several ape species and found our "life code" to be 99.4% the same as chimps.
Sounds like Ivory Soap, doesn't it?
They propose moving common chimps and another very closely related ape, bonobos, into the genus, Homo, the taxonomic grouping researchers use to classify people in the animal kingdom. Humans, or Homo sapiens to give the species its scientific name, are the only living organism in the genus at the moment - although some extinct creatures such as Neanderthals (Homo Neanderthalis) also occupy the same grouping. According to this analysis, chimpanzees and humans occupy sister branches on a family tree, with 99.4% genetic similarity. Next on the tree are gorillas, then orang-utans, followed by Old World monkeys.
I don't recall ever seeing anything on whether humans and chimps are closely enough related to breed. I suspect they're 99.44% not...
None of the primates were closely related to mice, which were used as a control.
But did they use cheese-eating primates?
Dr Wildman said: "You could say that humans and chimps are as similar to one another as say horses and donkeys.
Which can breed but produce sterile offspring. Easy enough to see if they're that close, if you can get her to hold still...
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 02:27 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, which one was Michael Jackson and which one was Bubbles again?
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 14:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Why may you ask did I post this (highly edited) article? Are any of you familiar with the now infamous conservatives are chimpanzees, liberals are bonobos arguement?
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 14:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Bonobos are the vegetarian ones, aren't they; anyway, regardless of their food habit, I *wish* I were a bonobo...
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 16:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Right you are Anonymous; Bonobos, also known as pigmy chimps, are a pacificistic (i.e. dying) species that is matriacal(?) and bisexual. Chimpanzees are an agressive, male dominated species of omnivors who are known to travel in packs and have mastered the use of such primitive weapons as the club. They have also been known to kill and eat bonobos on occasion.

I, personally, am a chimp.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 18:02 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Gaza Strip closure hampers UN work
The United Nations coordinator for the Middle East, Terje Roed-Larsen, says the closure of the Gaza Strip by Israel is seriously hampering UN work and it may have to reduce its operations there. He says most people in Gaza rely on UN agencies for health care, education and social services.
The UN runs the Paleoschools? Now, who'da thunk that?
Mr Larsen also says that if the closure continues, Gaza's economy could be crippled.
You mean they'll go from paraplegic to quadraplegic?
"We have now about 75 per cent of the population living below the poverty level which is less than $US2 a day," he said. "We have (an) unemployment rate which is pushing 50 and I think these figures alone show how terrible the situation is there and with the total closure, no people, no goods going in and out, it makes a bad situation worse."
There do seem to be a lot of job openeings in the explosives industry, though...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 12:21 pm || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "the closure of the Gaza Strip by Israel is seriously hampering UN work and it may have to reduce its operations there."
Heh, that's an excellent reason to maintain the closure in and of itself! There's no bigger friend to terrorists and dictators than the UN.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 05/21/2003 13:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Kick UN altogether from Gaza, give its budget to a private charity and maybe, maybe things will start to improve. Doesn't look they can go any worse.
Posted by: marek || 05/21/2003 13:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Gaza Strip closure hampers UN work

Somehow, I don't quite see this as a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 13:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Perhaps if the UN moved their operations to the Sinai penninsula some Pals would follow...
Posted by: Yank || 05/21/2003 18:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Gaza Strip closure hampers UN work

Sounds like some water or sewer project closing down the Gaza Strip to traffic for a while. Please forgive me. It's been a long day and I am getting a bit goofy......
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/21/2003 20:33 Comments || Top||

#6  Must be that cause/effect thing Fred keeps harping at.(just teasing,Fred)
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 8:43 Comments || Top||

#7  Perhaps if the UN agencies weren't hogging all the jobs in health care, education and social services there might actually be some jobs available for the locals.
Posted by: Becky || 05/22/2003 8:45 Comments || Top||


East/Subsaharan Africa
Downer urges Bob to stand down
Australian Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer, says Robert Mugabe should step down as President of Zimbabwe to help resolve the country's political, economic and social crises. Mr Downer has attended a meeting of Commonwealth ministers in London, which is not taking any further action against Zimbabwe. He says the Commonwealth is failing to save the country. "We're talking bilaterally to countries in southern Africa and to other countries of course such as the United Kingdom and the United States about what else we can do to try to put more pressure on President Mugabe," said.
"Alex said that? Damn! Grace! It's time to pack!"
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 12:17 pm || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


'Bugger' banned in NZ Parliament
There have been howls of protest from New Zealand politicians after the Speaker of the House banned the use of the word "bugger". The Speaker, Jonathon Hunt, says the word is just not appropriate. The debate started when an Opposition Member of Parliament used the phrase "sweet bugger all". The Speaker immediately intervened and ruled the word bugger was unacceptable. Some MPs complained the Speaker was out of touch, but Mr Hunt would not budge. "I just think that doesn't add one jot to the appreciation of the English language and I intend to maintain standards," he said. Mr Hunt also admits he does not like the expression "diddly squat", though he will not be ruling it to be unparliamentary.
I actually agree with Mr Hunt on this. There have to be some standards, or soon we'll be seeing pols standing up in the parliaments of the world calling each other crooks, beauzeaux, dumbschitz, and who knows what else. Anyone who cares diddly squat about parliamentary standards can see that...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 12:14 pm || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actually, Senator Hatch used the word "dumbass" in referencing Sen. Schumer last month (April 30). Although that might be an accurate description of Schumer it is indecorous and unbecoming.

Here's the exchange: "Some [of Schumer's questions] I totally disagree with," Hatch of Utah said. "Some I think are dumbass questions, between you and me. I am not kidding you. I mean, as much as I love and respect you, I just think that's true." That's an odd thing to say about Schumer and reminds me of a rambling and incoherent speech by Sen. Jeremiah Denton back in the 80's.
A stunned Schumer asked if he heard the chairman correctly, to which Hatch said yes. Again, Schumer asked Hatch if he would like to "revise and extend his remark," congressional speak for change his mind.

A former trial attorney, Hatch replied: "No, I am going to keep it exactly the way it is. I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I feel badly saying it between you and me. But I do know dumbass questions when I see dumbass questions."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85640,00.html
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 12:40 Comments || Top||

#2  He said the questions were dumbass, not quite the same as calling the Senator a dumbass.

Please recall that on at least one occasion a member of Congress beat another into unconsciousness on the floor during a debate.

George Carlin's newest routine, things you can't say in Parliment.
Posted by: Chuck || 05/21/2003 13:15 Comments || Top||

#3  (sigh) What ever happened to the good old days, when senators were so polite to each other? Well, except for the occasional cane-beating incident, that is...
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 15:15 Comments || Top||

#4  In my fondest dreams Hatch beats the crap out of "Dumbass" Schumer with Hillary's carpetbag after one too many dumbass litmus test questions to a qualified minority judicial candidate...
OK not my fondest - that would be kirsten dunst...but close ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 05/21/2003 17:53 Comments || Top||

#5  I know Senator Huey Long was murdered, but I also believe a US Congressman was murdered by another congressman sometime in the early 1800's. Anything to reduce the number of public leaches and lawyers is ok by me...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/21/2003 23:52 Comments || Top||


Korea
Pong Su operated by Pyongyang, defector says
A North Korean defector says the Pong Su - a North Korean freighter allegedly involved in smuggling drugs into Australia - was acting on orders from the North Korean regime. Australian Special Forces boarded the freighter last month, after a five-day chase. The captain and crew were arrested on suspicion of helping bring tens of millions of dollars worth of heroin into the country. Speaking before a US Senate Committee, a former high-ranking North Korean official says the Pong Su was being operated by Pyongyang. "The North Korean regime has been very busy making and selling the illegal drugs to support the cash-strapped regime," the official said. "North Korea must be the only country, as far as I can tell, on the entire globe to run a drug business on a state level." The defector gave his evidence behind a screen to conceal his identity.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 11:54 am || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Find 'em. Shoot 'em. Sink 'em.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 05/21/2003 13:17 Comments || Top||

#2  I second that motion.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 16:07 Comments || Top||

#3  NKORs stooping to running drugs for regime cash?

OH! I think I'm going to die from "not surprise!"
Posted by: Leigh || 05/21/2003 22:26 Comments || Top||


Roh Vents as Problems Pile Up
This guy has been in office 3 months.
President Roh Moo-hyun, after saying he was "uneasy" and "depressed" in an interview with the Munhwa Ilbo last month, said Wednesday at an official appearance that he was beginning to think he would be better off not being the president.
Good idea...
“Recently, the problems I’ve been facing are too difficult,” said President Roh as he met at Cheong Wa Dae with the organizers of last weekend's ceremony in Gwangju to mark the anniversary of the May 18 revolt - the organizers had come to express their apologies for the disturbance that marred the event. “It is not just this [the May 18 event]. It is inevitable that the nation’s functions have become paralyzed, because everyone is trying to resolve things with their strength. A president cannot concede to everything. With all this strain I am beginning to think I can no longer be the president.”
When did they put it in a president's job description to concede to everything? Maybe they should consider making being a vertebrate a part of the job description?
Roh went on: “Even the teachers union holds their opinion and rejects the nation’s functions. So what meaning does the opinion-gathering and decision-making process have? It is not a matter of personal emotions. If this situation continues, I feel I will not able to perform my duties as president properly.”
Isn't it part of the job to know more about the ramifications of policy than all the carpers? You're supposed to look at the big picture, while they concentrate on their own little picture. When they want something that fits, you can say "okay," and when they want something that doesn't fit, you have to say "no." That's the way vertebrates do it, anyway.
Explaining the circumstances leading up to the Gwangju incident, Roh said, “I was informed that there was a picket demonstration and I ordered that it be left alone. The roads would be congested, so I made a detour. I only did that because I didn’t think it would look nice if I restricted the event and went through it. But things turned out unexpectedly.”
My surprise meter seems to be working — it's bouncing all over the place — but not because thing "turned out unexpectedly." Where in the world did they get this guy? He makes Jimmy Carter look forceful and competent...
The president's remarks may seem an expression of fear that labor is driving him into a corner and frustration with the many crises that have racked the nation, such as the freight labor union strike, the May 18 event, the teachers union’s struggle against the NEIS system and the civil servants' vote scheduled for this week. Never before has a Korean president expressed his distress in such a public way at the beginning of the term.
Posted by: Michael || 05/21/2003 11:49 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like the honeymoon is over. Time to grow a spine, after looking up the definition of "leader".
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 12:16 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't know how these kind of comments play in Korean culture, but in Washington D.C., an admission of this sort is a political death sentence. This reminds me of when that fool Carter made his "national malaise" speech (yeah, I know that he never really used those exact words). Weak leadership like this always leads to bad things. How much longer will the NKORs wait until they try to take advantage of it?
Posted by: 11A5S || 05/21/2003 12:22 Comments || Top||

#3  I believe that South Korean presidents are limited to 1 5-year term, so Roh is a lame duck by definition. I think venting like this is pretty typical in East Asia. Others who have done so include China's Zhu Rongji and Hong Kong's Tung Chee-Hwa. Just a difference in style, I guess. It's a pretty dramatic contrast with what we get here in America, where most pols adhere to the adage "Never let 'em see you sweat".
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/21/2003 13:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Sounds to me like the boy's not quite up to the task.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 13:35 Comments || Top||

#5  If this guy was an American politician he would be a far-left democrat. He has no answers because all he believes is not true. He has misjudged the DPRK, labor parties, the economy, President Bush, EU, PRC, etc. Poetic justice for a quasi-socialist, he seemed to have all the answers before the elections. Where are they now?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 05/21/2003 15:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Roh decided to take a three day weekend (on an island his brother owns a chunk of) starting Friday, so he could "think over" his policies and plans. I wonder if he is going to come back Monday morning and shock SKor by resigning?
Posted by: Watcher || 05/22/2003 2:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Zhang Fei-

I live in Korea and have spoken to several well-educated Korean friends on this topic. They all agree, what he said sounds much worse in English and that in Korean there is a different nuance to it, however, as President he should not say it.

Simply put, its not quite as bad as it sounds to us, but it's still pretty bad.
Posted by: ZeroAngel || 05/22/2003 7:09 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Remembering Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
[snipped. Sorry. Too far off topic.]
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 10:23 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Chamberlain was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions at Little Round Top. He is best portrayed, imo, in Michael Shaara's superb novel of Gettysburg, Killer Angels. Alice Trulocks's bio of him, In the Hands of Providence, is also excellent.
Posted by: Seger || 05/21/2003 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  More off topic, but what about that terrible prequil, 'Gods and Generals' and the even worse movie. I wish they remade that and really covered Chancellorville. That was a generals story!
Posted by: Lucky || 05/21/2003 11:38 Comments || Top||

#3  I was so disgusted with "Gods and Generals" (AKA "Thus Spoke Stonewall") I didn't even stay to watch the whole thing. I'll rent it when it's on DVD and skip Stonewall's diatribes to get to the good stuff. And I don't mean just the battles--I mean anything except Ted Turner's justifications-by-proxy.

Can't beat the books by Michael and son, tho'!
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 11:58 Comments || Top||

#4  I seem to remember reading that Chamberlain received a second CMoH later in the war - could be a senior moment tho.....
Posted by: luigi || 05/21/2003 17:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain AKA "The Lion Of The Union". It's a pity that people in the North don't pay the regard to the corageous men of the Civil War as our brother in the South do.
Posted by: Someone who did NOT vote for William Proxmire || 05/21/2003 17:50 Comments || Top||

#6  I thought"Gods and Generals"was a petty good book,not great,but good.It is a novel not a history text.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 7:37 Comments || Top||

#7  "Attack & Defense of Little Round Top" is part of the syllabus for many military theory courses; I first read it at Naval War College.

There is a touching biography covering his personal life called "Fanny & Joshua" but I can't remember the author.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/22/2003 15:50 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon
Hamas, Jihad, PFLP shut offices in Syria
DAMASCUS: Radical Palestinian groups based in Syria have all closed their offices in Damascus, a leading Palestinian exile said Monday. The closures follow weeks of US pressure on Syria to curb Palestinian militants operating in the country.
I thought they'd already done that, the while denying they were?
Spokesmen for the 10 groups that reject peace with Israel declined to talk to reporters Monday, but journalists who went to the offices of three of the main organizations - Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command — found them closed.
"We're closed! Go away!"
US Secretary of State Colin Powell met with Syrian President Bashar Assad May 3 and said Assad had indicated his government was shutting down some Palestinian groups operating in Damascus. However, in a Newsweek magazine interview this month, Assad said Syria had not made a final decision on restricting Palestinian militants. On Monday, the former head of the Palestine National Council, Khaled al-Fahoum, told The Associated Press the militant groups had "frozen their activities" in Damascus out of concern for Syria. "The decision to freeze our activities came as a result of (US) threats against Syria," not Damascus demands, and to protect Syria from harm, al-Fahoum said.
"We're doing it for them, 'cuz we're nice..."
Al-Fahoum said the groups' leaders would remain in Syria, but would not play active political roles. "Circumstances will determine" how long the offices remained shut, he said.
So the offices will be closed, but the leadership will stay there and continue to pull strings and plot and plan...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 05/21/2003 10:24 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a clever (and wholly transparent) circumvention this is.
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||


East/Subsaharan Africa
Another Rwanda Horror Forming in Congo. UN is Impotent.
Edited...
Allegations of cannibalism and mass murder are coming from Congolese civilians of the Hema ethnic group who have fled across the border into western Uganda.
Terrified civilians have fled in their thousands. It is impossible to verify some of the more extreme claims - for example that the ethnic Lendu militia have eaten the hearts of Hema victims or worn their intestines as a grisly headdress. But there is no doubt about the fear felt by fleeing civilians.
I don't think I'd hang around and make sure they were just rumors, either. The penalty for being wrong is being lunch...
United Nations officials are taking the allegations of cannibalism seriously and plan to investigate.
There it is. The UN "plans to investigate". That pretty much sums up the impotence of the UN.
Don't worry. I'm sure they're preparing the memo right this moment and that its processing will be expedited, as long as it's in the correct format...
Amos Namanga Ngongi, head of the UN mission in Congo, told reporters that the reports were too persistent to be entirely without foundation. In the fishing village of Ntoroko, at the southern tip of Lake Albert, the authorities claim 12,000 refugees have crossed the border over the last month. During the exodus from the Ituri district, most of the refugees benefited from the protection of the withdrawing Ugandan troops. "We would all have been massacred on the way if it weren't for the large numbers of Ugandan soldiers," whispers Antoinette. Antoinette says the Lendu militia around Bunia town have been killing the Hema in large numbers. Between Bunia and the border, she claims to have seen empty villages where Hema once lived. She says now they are occupied by the Lendu and their allied Ngiti militias. The small UN force have failed to halt the violence.
The losing streak is still intact, unfortunately.
All of the refugees I met were critical of the United Nations for not protecting them from the militias.
"It's a cultural thing. We didn't want to get involved. The natives have been doing this sort of thing for years, now..."
"I don't know if the minds of those at the UN headquarters are functioning well," says Ngadjole Lonema who describes himself as a businessman from Bunia. He criticises the UN for deploying as few as 700 peacekeepers on the ground while the Ugandan army has been withdrawing some 9,000 troops from Congo.
Were they supposed to be peacekeepers? I thought they were observers. And two of them were killed and eaten...
I asked Ngadjole Lonema what advice he would give to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan. "He must deploy at least 15,000 troops immediately to prevent the Hema being eliminated from the map of Congo. If he doesn't act quickly he will count the dead bodies like they were counted in Rwanda in 1994." While hope is currently pinned on a ceasefire between the opposing factions, many suggest that militias capable of carrying out horrendous human rights atrocities are unlikely to turn into a disciplined force overnight. So the immediate deployment of a large peacekeeping force is essential.
Posted by: ColoradoConservative || 05/21/2003 10:08 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No nation in its right mind, no matter how well intentioned, will want their troops to go into this under UN command. I genuinely feel bad for the Hema, but going in is the foreign policy kiss of death. Which is probably why the Ugandans are leaving.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 10:29 Comments || Top||

#2  i agree with colorado con. Can't just like the other way again.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 10:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Yes, this is another horror story. Anyone waiting for the UN to act will probably end up dead or worse.

However, how long will it be before someone blames the United States?
Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 05/21/2003 10:59 Comments || Top||

#4  What do you propose Liberalhawk? Africa has always been a big, genocidal tribal mess -- only before the advent of modern medicine and agriculture it was a big, genocidal tribal mess with a low population density. Nothing new here - read John Burger's Horned Death if you want some enlightening (i.e. terrifying) insight into the Central African soul.

I don't mean to sound cynical here; the Hema may be a very noble people. But UN Command + Troops = death.... usually for those same troops.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 11:08 Comments || Top||

#5  No nation... will want their troops to go into this under UN command. ... Which is probably why the Ugandans are leaving.

The Ugandans are leaving because their army is outnumbered, and there's no good reason to stay. Uganda has no more desire to have their troops killed for UN foolishness than anybody else. They recognized they couldn't control the situation, and wisely pulled back. Taking some of the refugees with them was an act of grace, and will probably be repaid by having dozens of refugee camps to support, with or without aid, for years to come.

Africa is a disaster in the early stages. It's not going to get better until personal freedoms are respected by every single citizen. As long as one group can get guns and impose their will on others, Africa will continue to slide into barbarism.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/21/2003 11:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Any day now, the U.N. will pass a resolution formally requesting that the Lendu Militia pass a new bylaw discouraging cannibalism .
Posted by: Jonesy || 05/21/2003 11:13 Comments || Top||

#7  This is a shame. I blame the USA. And Dick Cheney!
Posted by: Lucky || 05/21/2003 11:14 Comments || Top||

#8 

Another Rwanda Horror Forming in Congo. UN is Impotent.



And in other news today, 4 people were slightly injured when........
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 11:21 Comments || Top||

#9  actually there are large areas of europe where genocide is not occuring. The biggest genocide in africa in recent years in Rwanda, was not classically "tribal" the hutu and tutsi share the same language. It was racial (or pseudo racial, since the two groups are not quite as racially distinct as is sometimes claimed) The situation in Rwanda was aggravated by past belgian policies of divide and rule - not out of the distant past at all.

Uganda and the new regime in rwanda have made great strides towards rule of law and capitalism. Africa is not hopeless, not if we dont give up on it.

The problem of command - i dont have an answer - there are plenty of troops under UN command in different parts of the world - the notion that no nation will put its troops under UN command is simply false. Certainly there'd be reasonable reluctance to put US troops under UN command in Africa - the memory of Somalia.

But at this point there is no request for US troops. If there is, i think we could work around the command question. Besides, i thought the consensus here was that the problem in Somalia was not the UN, but Clintons reluctance to deploy adequate force.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 11:57 Comments || Top||

#10  Liberalhawk has an importmant point: according to Transparacy International, Botswana is less corrupt that France (!), and Namibia is less corrupt that Italy.

Blaming the Hutu-Tutsi conflict on colonialism -- as the left always does -- is, however, a bit naive. Sure, Germany and then Belgium did exacerbate the tensions, but they were there already. The Tutsi formed as an amalgam of Nilotic Hima and and Hinda invaders who intermarried to some extent with local "royal" Bantu clans. They established stong kingdoms in both Rwanda and Burundi, and ruled as feudal aristocrats. They did abandon their Nilotic language for the Bantu tongue of their Hutu serfs, but they remained a separate group. One could move from Hutu to Tutsi status through royal favor, but the kingdoms remained rigidly stratified.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 05/21/2003 13:13 Comments || Top||

#11  ii should have said large areas of africa where genocide is not occurring. Freudian slip, i guess.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 13:37 Comments || Top||

#12  closet - so rwanda was a rigid, class dominated society, It was Belgium that eliminated the possibility of "rising" from hutu to tutsi, and treated the distinction as a more rigid racial one.

And this need not be part of a general critique of colonialism. It is widely remarked (back to Conrad I think) that Belgian colonialism in Africa (and German too, i believe) was far more brutal and less ameliorative than say British colonialism.
Posted by: Anonymous || 05/21/2003 13:41 Comments || Top||

#13  both above anon's were me
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 13:42 Comments || Top||

#14  Belgium had by far the worst colonial record, especially when the Congo was the personal property of the odious King Leopold II. Germany was horrible as well, especially in Namibia. Japan, however, was the only imperial power that deliberately tried to destroy an entire culture --forcing the Koreans to take Japanese names and supposedly even planning on eliminating the Korean language. And what was the most ameliorative colonial regime? Probably the US. In 1946, the Philippines was, after Japan, the best-educated and most socially developed country in Asia.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 05/21/2003 14:35 Comments || Top||

#15  This is going to come off the wrong way, but what the heck... Any deployment to the Congo is going to end up costing lots of moola, especially if we deploy in enough strength to keep our casualties low. Our forces, both active duty and reserve, tip-of-the-spear and logistics, have been working their butts off dealing with Iraq and preparing for potential war with North Korea. We do not need another distraction; there are plenty of other brushfire wars in Africa that should be dealt with, but have no real effect on our national security.

The atrocities in the Congo are sad, but bottom line is that our military exists to protect Americans from harm. When we're not stretched, and the world is at peace, we can extend the tasks undertaken to humanitarian relief operations. This is not one of those times. We need to keep every man ready for war on the Korean peninsula, or whatever contingencies may occur in the Muslim world. Every defense dollar is precious; our weapons systems could be upgraded or better-maintained to preserve or improve war-fighting readiness. Pouring them down the drain with a mission in the Congo borders on criminal negligence with respect to America's security.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/21/2003 15:48 Comments || Top||

#16  Building on what ZF said, why then, can't Europe or the EU send a force or a combined force to take care of this? After all, they're much closer to the conflict area, and Blacque Jacque Chirac seems to think that Europe is a logical counterweight to American power, so why doesn't they take care of this little problem?

They can't? Oh, never mind then.....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 16:19 Comments || Top||

#17  If the US decided to send troops (without the UN) would the anti-War left howl in rage or mumble sullenly.
Posted by: Yank || 05/21/2003 18:16 Comments || Top||

#18  I hate to disagree with the optimists, but I'm afraid I must. Africa is indeed a disaster in the early stages, and it's going to get a LOT worse, and there's very little we can do to affect that. Starvation and genocidal civil war is just the warm-up to the main event - aids is a ticking time-bomb that's just about ready to explode. And not just in Africa, although that's likely to be the worst.

I think it's going to get uglier than anyone can imagine. And, mind you, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to help - I just don't think we can do much.
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 21:08 Comments || Top||

#19  I think bomb-a-rama got it right. Why does this story never get written in a font size greater than 10?
Posted by: Becky || 05/21/2003 23:15 Comments || Top||

#20  Excelent novel on the Belgian Congo"The Posionwood Bible".
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 7:14 Comments || Top||


International
WHO Approves Sweeping Anti-Tobacco Treaty
GENEVA — The World Health Organization adopted a sweeping anti-tobacco treaty Wednesday in an unprecedented global push to regulate a product it says kills half of its regular users. "Today, we are acting to save billions of lives and protect people's health for generations to come," said WHO director-general Gro Harlem Brundtland, who made the anti-smoking drive the top priority of her five-year tenure.

"What a wonderful moment in global public health," said New Zealand Health Minister Annette King, adding that around 20 million people had died since the talks began. The so-called Framework Convention on Tobacco Control provides for a general ban on tobacco advertising and promotion — or simply restrictions in countries like the United States, where a total prohibition would violate the constitution. For months, anti-smoking activists have accused the United States — home to the world's biggest exporter Philip Morris — of trying to undermine the treaty. The text was agreed March 1 over U.S. objections that it did not allow countries to opt out of individual clauses. Much work now lies ahead in trying to put the terms of the convention into practice, especially in developing countries that have only weak domestic legislation and which are expected to account for 70 percent of the forecast 10 million annual deaths by 2030. "It is not the happy end of the story but rather the beginning of a new challenge for WHO," said Japan's chief delegate Yoshio Kimura. Japan — which has a controlling stake in Japan Tobacco International — held out against tough provisions until the closing stages of the talks. Developing countries have been at the fore in pushing for the convention, saying they need protection from tobacco multinationals who have switched their sales drives from saturated Western markets to Asia and Africa.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 10:10 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What do you guys think? This treaty, which nobody actually voted on, is typical of our would-be masters.... er, world government. This article has been edited by me for brevity.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 10:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Another piece of fecal matter from the United Slavemasters and Groveling Union. Automobiles kill more people in a year than die from cigarette smoke. In the United States alone, the number one killer of people of any age is the automobile. Any advance nation (I.E., one that has both an infrastructure that facilitates automobile travel, and has an economy that supports use of automobiles), has a high incidence of automobile-related deaths.

I'm not a smoker, but my wife is. All this crap is designed to make it next to impossible to participate in a voluntary moral act. There is no way in hell to legislate morality. Our own prohibition didn't work, the so-called limits of Islam don't stop smoking and drinking, and there's no place on earth where you can put an end to all the "vices" man indulges in to please himself. But the idiots at the UN want to try. The bottom line is more money for the UN, and more restrictions on personal freedom. Nuke the UN. It'll save time, money, and energy.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/21/2003 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  You know, it may indeed be a "voluntary moral act", but smokers and their consistently rude behavior over the decades can thank themselves for the various attempts at curtailing their "freedoms".

I, in principle, support not only the continued legalization of tobacco, but the legalization of most recreational drugs as well. BUT, for years I wandered into restaurants, clubs, and even convenience stores where rude smokers were busily ruining both the air and the smell of my clothes and hair. Add to that mix my recurring bouts with both allergies and asthma, and I can only say to the smokers: "Serves you right!"
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/21/2003 11:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, my drug of choice is marijuana - used responsibly in the privacy of my own home - but I'm technically a criminal for it. So to the tobacco addicts, I say "cry me a river". Those whiney pansies should try living in my shoes and see how they like it. When tobacco possesion itself is illegal maybe I'll have some sympathy for them.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 05/21/2003 11:25 Comments || Top||

#5  You know, it may indeed be a "voluntary moral act", but smokers and their consistently rude behavior over the decades can thank themselves for the various attempts at curtailing their "freedoms".

And what might this "rude behavior" be?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 11:30 Comments || Top||

#6  B-a-R, the rude behavior was described in the second paragraph of my post: "...for years I wandered into restaurants, clubs, and even convenience stores where rude smokers were busily ruining both the air and the smell of my clothes and hair. Add to that mix my recurring bouts with both allergies and asthma, and I can only say to the smokers: "Serves you right!"

Further, add to that the typical smoker's attitude that THEIR drug of choice (tobacco) should be legal, but that OTHER drugs shouldn't be, and I end up agreeing with Scooter--"Cry me a river."
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/21/2003 11:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Smoking is not a moral issue, it is a personal and public health issue. In a free society if someone wants to smoke, they should be allowed to smoke. Where they are allowed to smoke should be regulated since smoke affects more than just the smoker.

Millions die annually from starvation, malnutrition, malaria, disease, civil war, and the WHO wants to take away their cigarettes.

Typical.
Posted by: Jonesy || 05/21/2003 11:53 Comments || Top||

#8  I agree with Jonesy about smoking as a health issue and regulating where smoking is allowed. I have no problem with the government barring smoking in government buildings or on government property, but I get incensed when they start talking about riding roughshod over private business owners' rights and dictating smoking policy for restaurants, bars, and nightclubs.

The dilemma for me, though, is how can you prevent exposure to children without similarly infringing on the rights of private citizens? If secondhand smoke is shown to be a serious hazard (as contested here the other day), don't children have a right to grow up in a home free of cigarette smoke? Does that supersede the right of the homeowner to smoke in his own home?

Then there's the whole issue of pregnant women who continue to smoke and/or drink while carrying their babies to term... That infuriates me to no end!
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 12:58 Comments || Top||

#9  In related news, the $145 billion settlement against Big Tobacco has been rejected on appeal in Florida today.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 13:02 Comments || Top||

#10  "...for years I wandered into restaurants, clubs, and even convenience stores where rude smokers were busily ruining both the air and the smell of my clothes and hair. Add to that mix my recurring bouts with both allergies and asthma, and I can only say to the smokers: "Serves you right!"

Please tell how you were forced to go into those restaurants, clubs, and convenience stores against your will. Nowadays places are likely to have clear policies regarding smoking, and if it's permitted, then that's just life. You can choose to patronize other establishments if smoke and the smell of smoke is that disagreeable to you, otherwise, you have to live with the consequences of venturing into smoky territory.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 13:33 Comments || Top||

#11  B-a-R, its not a question of "force"--its a question of access. If the US gov. is going to make sure that (seemingly) every building in this country can be accessed by those in wheelchairs, then it is WELL within its rights making sure that those with allergies and asthma can enter as well.

In addition, every study NOT paid for by tobacco money has clearly determined that second hand smoke is a danger even to those who don't have allergies or asthma.

Couple those facts with smokers' seemingly inborn stubborness to support anyone else's chemical of choice and it makes it quite easy for me to laugh every time they protest new smoking laws and/or taxes.

Besides, who ever decided that filling a room with noxious fumes from a cigarette was anymore socially correct than farting?

Your commentary about not frequenting places that allow it may have a certain ring of technical truth to it, but let's face facts--smokers certainly haven't built any bridges with non-smokers over the years. If anything, the older I get, the more I find myself fighting the urge to unleash a fire extinguisher on the next asshole who lights up without asking me if I mind.
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/21/2003 14:18 Comments || Top||

#12  "WARNING: Your endless bitching about my smoking may be hazardous to your health."
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 15:49 Comments || Top||

#13  B-a-R, its not a question of "force"--its a question of access.

Again I ask: What's preventing you from going to some other outfit that provides you with the services you seek along with a smoke-free environment? There isn't ONE eating establishment, or ONE club, or ONE convenience store in any given city, so what exactly is the problem? Is it sheer laziness? Or is it really that you think all smokers are beneath you and they can all get screwed?

If the US gov. is going to make sure that (seemingly) every building in this country can be accessed by those in wheelchairs, then it is WELL within its rights making sure that those with allergies and asthma can enter as well.

This forced accessibility to private business by wheelchairs is a pile of crap as well. The government doesn't pay for creating this "access", it's the private business that has to pay out of its own pocket. But then that pesky question arises again: Why patronize a business that doesn't give you what you want, whether it be wheelchair access or a smoke-free environment?

Couple those facts with smokers' seemingly inborn stubborness to support anyone else's chemical of choice and it makes it quite easy for me to laugh every time they protest new smoking laws and/or taxes.

Like who? Of the people I know that smoke, I don't know of any of them supporting crusades against alcohol, or weed. They're perfectly content to leave other people alone as long as they're left alone. And taxes on cigarettes is nothing more than a revenue stream for the government, nothing more. The government, despite its rules, doesn't really care who smokes and who doesn't. It's a socially acceptable tax, so they impose it.

Besides, who ever decided that filling a room with noxious fumes from a cigarette was anymore socially correct than farting?

Last I heard, people are still farting in rooms without crusaders crying out for a fart gas-free environment.

..smokers certainly haven't built any bridges with non-smokers over the years.

They don't have to. They do their thing, and you do yours. The problem is, despite the ever-shrinking places where people are allowed to smoke, people keep on trying to squeeze smokers even more than they're already being squeezed. Enough is enough already.

If anything, the older I get, the more I find myself fighting the urge to unleash a fire extinguisher on the next asshole who lights up without asking me if I mind.

This would be an invitation to put you down on the pavement, and I'd pay to watch that.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 16:02 Comments || Top||

#14  B-a-R, you avoided the issue of second hand smoke as well as the issue of allergies/asthma. With regard to the issue of frequenting establishments, I didn't dream up the wheel-chair fiasco. But if the government is going to insist upon such standards, then the right to breathe clean air in public is even easier to defend--we ALL require oxygen, only a handful of us need a wheelchair.

With regard to cigarette taxes being solely a revenue stream, the word "solely" is intellectually incorrect. Smoking does impart costs that are paid for in dollars. I've got no problem with various governments determing that they should recoup part of that cost. But yes, I am aware that many of the attempts to raise such taxes have no direct correlation with an increase in smoking-related expenditures. And, were smokers themselves not (generally speaking) so rude about their addiction, perhaps I'd be more sympathetic and even complain to my congressman. But instead, they roam nearly every public place pretending that they have some sort of God-given right to foul the air, so screw them.

You also wrote: "They don't have to. They do their thing, and you do yours. The problem is, despite the ever-shrinking places where people are allowed to smoke, people keep on trying to squeeze smokers even more than they're already being squeezed. Enough is enough already."

To which I would point out that the reason smokers are continually "squeezed out" is that they are a clear minority. Most estimates put the percentage of addicts, er, smokers, at about 27-30 percent of the population. Thus, they NEED the support of those of us who don't smoke. And as I said earlier, as much as I might agree with them in principal, they can rot for all I care--I'm tired of leaving a club because I can't breathe, tired of leaving a business lunch smelling like I smoked a carton of Camels, and tired of their "I'm a Smoker and I Vote" mentality. They and their 27-30 percent can watch their "rights" erode until they're left huddled in their basements with the lights off feeding their addiction.

B-a-R, I take it you're one of the addicts. That's really too bad, what with there being at least a dozen effective ways of stopping.
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/21/2003 16:28 Comments || Top||

#15  Personally, I'm getting damned sick and tired of everybody else trying to tell me how to live. I use seat belts because they've kept me from being very nastily hurt a couple of times, not because it's a law. I don't use a bike helmet, and the next damned time somebody complains about it, I'm going to put his teeth in his ear. I don't care if someone smokes - if I don't like it, I leave the area. My wife voluntarily smokes outside the house, even in the winter - in Colorado, that can be very uncomfortable!

Bottom line, I am an adult. I will make the decisions about what I do, where I go, and who I associate with. I don't need a nanny, and I don't need a watchdog. I've put one person in the morgue and a couple of others in the hospital when they didn't play nice, and I am quite willing to do it again. If the idiots that push this pile of crap don't stop, a lot of us are going to get pissed off enough to pick up a gun and replay 1776.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 05/22/2003 0:49 Comments || Top||

#16  I got damned sick and tired of smokers forcing me to breath their stuff a very long time ago, and smokers are, well, a minority. Let them leave.
Posted by: Tresho || 05/22/2003 2:27 Comments || Top||

#17  Flaming sword,"effective ways"aren't.I know.
As Bar said if you do not want to be affected by smoke frequent another establisment.
Sounds to me like the only"rights"you are worried about are yours.
How very democratic of you,Tresho.Are you an affilate of the Arian Brotherhood?
On the Pot issue I agree with Scooter,however coke,herion,etc should be illegal.
The laws on Marijauna are way out of line with reality.Arizona is one of the worst states in this regard.One exomple:A freind was arrest for haveing one(count them,one)joint,his sentence,10YEARS in prision.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 8:21 Comments || Top||

#18  Flaming sword,"effective ways"aren't.I know. As Bar said if you do not want to be affected by smoke frequent another establisment. Sounds to me like the only"rights"you are worried about are yours. How very democratic of you,Tresho.Are you an affilate of the Arian Brotherhood? Posted by: Raptor 5/22/2003 8:21:19 AM

Ah yes, another addict speaks. Screw you Raptor, demanding that I be allowed to enter an establishment without setting off an allergic/asthmatic reaction in no way equivocates to being a member of any "brotherhood". On the other hand, your confession that you lack the ability to put down your cigarette demonstrates the deepness of your addiction.

And just what logic trail do you follow that says that YOUR addiction should be legal, but those who prefer coke or heroin shouldn't have the same right to feed theirs?

Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/22/2003 10:30 Comments || Top||

#19  The brotherhood remark was directed at Tresho not you dumbass.
"demanding that I be allowed to enter an establishment"
I demand you STFU.
Listen,bitch I wasn't bad mouthing you so kiss my ass!I am certainly an addict(research burgur's disease).How in the hell can you equate smoking tobacco or pot to crystal meth/coke etc.I don't think I have ever heard of a pot head selling her ass,like coke whores do.I don't think I've ever heard of a nicotine addict cutting off the heads of thier kids cause they are strung out on speed, I do not spend every nickle and dime I have to support my habit.Bite me bitch.
"smokers are, well, a minority. Let them leave" spoken like a true bigot.

Sorry folks pin-headed bitch pissed me off.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 10:54 Comments || Top||

#20  *laughing* Yeah, raptor, all of us who are sick and damn tired of breathing the polluted air that you addicts provide are nothing more than "bigots"--how totally ridiculous!

And your argument about tobacco versus other drugs still comes up short. I can't tell you how many times I've seen single mothers buying groceries with food stamps and then plunking down cold hard cash for their Marlboro addiction. Don't even pretend that millions of poverty level families everywhere don't spend $1,000 or more a year on cigarettes rather than taking better care of their families.

Get help with your addiction asshole!
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/22/2003 11:16 Comments || Top||

#21  As said before you doin't want breath polluted air go to a different restraunt.Walks like bigot,talks like a bigot probably a bigot.
I did not say it was ok to buy cigarettes rather careing for family.I was comparing the relativly mild consequences of pot and nicotine to the soul killing,mind destroying insainity that would cause a father to cut off the heads of his sons.
That being the case:Kiss my ass,you self rightious,moralistic bitch.
Posted by: Raptor || 05/22/2003 15:19 Comments || Top||

#22  As said before you doin't want breath polluted air go to a different restraunt.

No thanks--I'll simply continue to support laws and policies that send addicts like yourself to your basement to feed your cravings.

Walks like bigot,talks like a bigot probably a bigot.

Walks like an offensive addict, talks like an offensive addict, probably an offensive addict.

I did not say it was ok to buy cigarettes rather careing for family.I was comparing the relativly mild consequences of pot and nicotine to the soul killing,mind destroying insainity that would cause a father to cut off the heads of his sons.

Yeah, you sure read about that everyday. (NOT!) And never mind the "mind destroying insanity" that would lead one to supporting a life-long addiction to tobacco.

That being the case:Kiss my ass,you self rightious,moralistic bitch.

That being the case, go fuck yourself you selfish addict.
Posted by: Raptor 5/22/2003 3:19:08 PM
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 05/22/2003 17:07 Comments || Top||


Missile shield gains support across globe
Edited for brevity.
The White House yesterday announced that global opposition to President Bush's missile-defense plan largely has collapsed in the wake of the war against terrorism, causing a "sea change" of views even in nations such as Russia, which once opposed the plan. "We had a lively national debate about missile defense for 20 years," said a senior administration official. "That more or less appears to be settled." Responding to questions from The Washington Times, the official added: "There really has been a sea change."
So much for the denigrating talk of "Star Wars" and the predictions that it'll never work. It's been demonstrated that it does, and if it does and you still leave yourself naked to anything from SCUDs to ICBMs you're not protecting the nation — regardless of which nation you are...
To mark the milestone, the White House last night formally codified its quest for a global missile-defense system in a document known as National Security Policy Directive 23, releasing an unclassified version that spells out the president's vision. "Hostile states, including those that sponsor terrorism, are investing large resources to develop and acquire ballistic missiles of increasing range and sophistication," the document stated. "The United States and our allies lack effective defenses against this threat." To remedy that, the Bush administration is accelerating deployment of the first stages of a missile shield in Alaska that would be able by next year to intercept any missile fired from North Korea. But the shield eventually would be extended to encompass many nations, a large number of which are scrambling to sign up for protection.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 09:24 am || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  oh yeah, bush got all huggy with Putin, hes a great guy, he likes missile defense, etc. Then Putin co-leads the axis of weasels. Im still waiting for the white house to explain whats going on in Russia, how it misjudged Putin, and what the implications of that are wrt missile defense (did Putin okay missile defense only cause he had no choice, and secretly decided to undermine us elsewhere) so far the inclination seems to be to blame the French, and claim that its Lukoil driving Russian policy in the Mideast, not Putin.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 05/21/2003 9:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Doesn't matter whether Putin likes it or not, missile defense is going to happen at some point. If opposition to missile defense collapsed among other nations, that's fine, but in the event that opposition DIDN'T evaporate, it probably wouldn't factor into the decision to go ahead with a missile defense plan anyway.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 05/21/2003 14:12 Comments || Top||

#3  "So much for the denigrating talk of "Star Wars"
and the predictions that it'll never work."

It always depended on the threat you were
defending against. Against thousands of
warheads and decoys with fast-boost launchers
from the old USSR--not a chance. They could
trivially overwhelm our detection systems, not
to mention our interceptors. The APS report
was pretty conclusive.

Against a dozen missiles from North Korea
a missile defense might be possible. Not easy,
even so.

Posted by: James || 05/21/2003 19:45 Comments || Top||

#4  The science behind the "midcourse" segment of the defense is murkier than I'd like; the major public sources on it (like the Union of Concerned Scientists) have a well-known bias. Reading between the lines, I think we have a good decade to go before we could deploy a system that we can trust to shoot down ICBMs.
Posted by: Ray || 05/22/2003 2:01 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Israel: Security guards fail to catch cop posing as female bomber
Serious security lapses were exposed on Wednesday when a police officer posing as a female suicide bomber successfully entered a train station and commercial centers in the Petah Tikva and Rosh Ha'ayin areas without being checked by security personnel. The Sharon region police officer arrived Wednesday morning at the Yarkonim train station in Petah Tikva holding a bag containing two dummy bombs and large fake grenades. The officer was wearing long clothing and concealed the bag of fake explosives beneath a coat. The security guard at the train station entrance did not examine the undercover officer's bag, nor did he make use of his handheld metal detector to check the "suicide bomber."

Identical security lapses were exposed when the officer succeeded in entering - again undetected - a number of malls in the Petah Tikva and Rosh Ha'ayin areas. Police said the fake bombs would have been easily detected by the handheld metal detectors used by private security guards. Police said senior officers will meet with the chief security officer at the Petah Tikva train station and with the managers of the private companies securing the Rosh Ha'ayin and Petah Tikva malls involved in the undercover operation. Sharon region police, who carried out the operation, are responsible for checking the alertness of civilian security guards within its district.
Think they need any added motivation after the five recent attacks within 48 hours?
For those of you in New Mexico, the DoD is taking apps for Terrorist Infiltrator positions to test their own security measures.
Posted by: Dar || 05/21/2003 08:59 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Korea
Roh stern on protesters
President Roh Moo-hyun yesterday ordered legal action against members of a banned student group, who staged a rally in Gwangju Sunday, delaying his attendance at a ceremony marking the 23rd anniversary of a pro-democracy uprising in the southwestern city. Roh gave the instruction during a meeting with his senior secretaries and advisors at Cheong Wa Dae. "Those who insult and make someone a target of overthrow because of differences in views should be punished in accordance with the law," Roh was quoted as saying by his spokesman Yoon Tae-young.
"Stop making fun of me!!"
Top law-enforcement officials came forward with pledges to take stern measures against the illegal protest by anti-U.S. students. Justice Minister Kang Kum-sil defined the demonstration as an act that lacked the blessing of the general public and instructed the prosecution to thoroughly investigate and punish active participants. Government Administration and Home Affairs Minister Kim Doo-kwan also said students can never be exempted from taking responsibility for violating democratic rules.
unless they attack GIs
Police began searching to arrest 10 identified leading members of the outlawed student group. Police officials said they are also trying to name about 120 students who have been implicated in illegal acts at the protest scene by photographic evidence. About 1,000 students held a rally at the front gate of the May 18 National Cemetery for the victims of the pro-democracy uprising to protest what they called President Roh's humiliating act of diplomacy during his U.S. visit last week.
Are they upset that Comrade Roh didn't b!tch slap President Bush to display Korean Pride?
Their protest kept the presidential motorcade waiting in a nearby street for some time.
Disaster!
President Roh and First Lady Kwon Yang-suk entered the cemetery through a rear gate to circumvent the protest, and the ceremony started 18 minutes late. Riot police were eventually called in to dispel the students. The National Police Agency sent inspection officials to Gwangju yesterday to look into a charge that the local police had been negligent in performing their duty of guarding the ceremony. Sunday's demonstration constituted a slap in the face for the Roh administration, which has shown a lenient attitude toward the banned student group named Hanchongnyeon or the Federation of Korean University Students' Councils. In March, President Roh expressed sympathy with the plight of Hanchongnyeon members placed on a wanted list for a long time and asked Justice Ministry officials to work out measures to ease their predicament.
That was before they made fun of him.
Justice Minister Kang subsequently met families of leading Hanchongnyeon members on the wanted list and promised to consider discussing with the prosecution ways to help them. The new Hanchongnyeon leadership elected in March appeared to be responding to Roh's sympathetic approach by suggesting they will seek to revise their pro-North Korean and anti-U.S. platforms. But the protest in Gwangju resulted in hardening the Roh administration's stance on the group. Government Administration and Home Affairs Minister Kim said the demonstration will prove to be an obstacle to a recent move to legalize the student group which was outlawed in 1997.
Storm the American Chamber of commerce... get suspended sentences; throw stones at US GI's... slap on the wrist; have unscheduled violent demostrations against America... no big deal; insult or delay Comrade Roh... BE AFRAID!
Posted by: ZeroAngel || 05/21/2003 07:23 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I cant wait until our troops are out of there.
Posted by: g wiz || 05/21/2003 9:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Gwangju. In 1980, demonstrators against the then military government of S.Korea revolted. The Korean government sent in the troops to put the revolt down. About 230 of the citizens were killed in the fight. The Korean military unit which was employed to carry out the action had been part of the Combined Field Army [corps] under American command. The American command released the unit from its command to the Korean government which was then the controlling authority for the action. When the military handed over the government to civilian authorities in later years, the action in Gwangju was a big stumpling block in the transition. Many in Gwangju have never forgiven the government, even the new one for the action in 1980. Then again, a hundred and forty years later, there are those Americans who still think that Lincoln was wrong and are ready to demonstrate the point with daily displays of memories of that rebellion.
Posted by: Don || 05/21/2003 9:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Don, me lad, can't let you implication pass without comment. There may indeed be some Americans who demonstrate their beliefs as you assert. Without going into great detail about the ACW and its antecedents, displaying memories of the rebellion does not mean that the displayer thinks that Lincoln was wrong or that he was right. And persons who think Lincoln was wrong may not demonstrate the point with displays. I trust that you are not implying that displayers of the glories of Southron history are, in effect, contradicting Lincoln. I think that the analogy to Korea is a bit stretched.
Posted by: Highlander || 05/21/2003 11:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Highlander - Any generalization has its exceptions. It may be a hijacking of the symbols of Bobby Lee and great granddad's gallantry (I didn't grow up in VA, so sue me), but a goodly number of the "displayers of the glories of Southron history" I know are precisely looking to signal their disagreement with Lincoln, the Warren Court, MLK, LBJ, etc., etc. I've found that's the safest thing to assume until demonstrated otherwise. Of course YMMV.
Posted by: VAMark || 05/21/2003 13:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Important to note that regionalism is very strong in South Korea, and that Kwangju (Gwangju) lies in the Southwest -- the least prosperous and (supposedly) most discriminated-against part of the country. The division goes back to the Three Kingdoms period, when the SW formed the kingdom of Paekche.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 05/21/2003 13:25 Comments || Top||

#6  VAMark: I don't think you entirely get it. Right or wrong, for better or for worse, the south of my great, great grandfather was invaded by (essentially) foreigners whose stated goal and purpose was to break it, economically and culturally, to the point where it could no longer resist the federal government. The end result was that the entire Southeast was plunged into something of a dark age which was to last for about 100 years.

Over the last 30 years this region, long the poorest and most isolated portion of the United States, has been faced with a new wave of immigration from the Northeast, long the richest. I am a child of that immigration, with a father from Long Island and a mother from the Everglades, and believe me the Southern Heritage movement should not be simply dismissed as a bunch of rednecks nostalgic for segragation (none of us are). There is nothing wrong with wanting to keep your culture intact and unassemelated, nor is there any sin in not trusting a federal goverment that, historically speaking, recently destroyed your country.

Personally I like Lincoln, though. Probably the funniest president we've ever had.
Posted by: Secret Master || 05/21/2003 14:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Did a hilarious McClellan impersonation, I hear...
Posted by: mojo || 05/21/2003 16:47 Comments || Top||



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  Qaeda Top Computer Expert Arrested
Fri 2003-05-16
  At Least 20 Die in Casablanca Blasts
Thu 2003-05-15
  Lebanon Foils Anti-U.S. Attacks
Wed 2003-05-14
  Israel and Qatar in talks
Tue 2003-05-13
  UN observes Congo carnage
Mon 2003-05-12
  Terror offensive in Riyadh
Sun 2003-05-11
  Bremer in, Garner out
Sat 2003-05-10
  India-US-Israel anti-terror axis?
Fri 2003-05-09
  MKO Negotiating Surrender
Thu 2003-05-08
  Bush and Blair nominated for nobel peace prize
Wed 2003-05-07
  Damascus: No secret contacts with Israel


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