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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Boogeyman is real, has a few material needs
Edited for brevity.
It wasn’t the boogeyman a little girl saw roaming around the house. The 10-year-old woke up to the sight of a strange man and his two dogs in her bedroom last month. She ran to tell her sleeping parents, but they told her to go back to bed. "The parents evidently thought she was having a dream or a nightmare," said A. Gerald Schramek, chief criminal investigator for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. The parents still didn’t believe the girl half an hour later, when she said the man and his cocker spaniels left the family’s house in Philipstown, about 50 miles north of New York City. Later the parents discovered muddy dog tracks throughout the house, and that cash, keys and a cell phone were missing.
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 8:31:38 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very nice headline.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 22:32 Comments || Top||


Soldiers block hole in gushing Chinese dyke
I just had to post the headline.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 3:36:27 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Over and beyond the call of duty.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#2  I bet they did and loved it long time doing it!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 01/22/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Is this like one of those live shows?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 17:24 Comments || Top||

#4  That's how that little Dutch kid got his finger broke
Posted by: eLarson || 01/22/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL LMAO, that's too funny Chuck, but I was a little slow on the uptake.

Two further comments: 1)No eL that was a d I ke the little boy was fingering. 2) Someone at Reuters needs a spell checker. Write levee, dammit write levee.

Still ROTFLMAO. Fred, do you give awards for funniest post of the day?

Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 23:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Hey! And how is this terrorism related????
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 01/22/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||


China is Overun with wild Insurgents running Amok
"Hooligan monkeys" harassing female visitors at a park. Monkey fur dyed in assorted brilliant colors at a safari park. Monkeys in the newspapers. Monkeys on TV. Monkeys on the collective brain of the world’s most populous country.
This monkey business frivolity must stop imediately.
On Thursday, day one of the Year of the Monkey, mainland China suddenly took on a definite simian flavor. All manner of monkey-like iconography, from Tarzan’s chimp to the ape in the old "Donkey Kong" video game, festooned the Chinese media. Why not? After all, said the Beijing Youth Daily, "the golden monkey presents us with fortune."
In China does a golden monkey fill the role of Lucky the leprecaun in the Lucky Charm’s commercials? After all its possible; they did use a guy with a really high voice for dubbing dialog for the role of Hoss in Bonanza.
One of China’s most popular legends is that of Song Wu Kong, the painted-face, mischief-making "Monkey King" who is consistently brewing up trouble in the heavens. But real-life monkeys can get just as weird, if the state-controlled media are to be believed.
But can they type?
In the western Chinese town of Longchi, in a park where wild monkeys range freely, there’s been a problem of late -- a problem that, oddly enough, didn’t make it onto the Chinese news radar until the first day of the Year of the Monkey.
The monkeys have begun to meditate - a gratuitous jibe at the surpression of the Falun Gong, a group which probably might be just another generator of Infomercials in the US. (I do not mean this disrespectfully.)
"The hooligan monkeys," says the Chengdu Evening Post, "have been hitting on the ladies for a long time, igniting social outcry."
Veil the women; it is the ankles that do it everytime.
Park officials blamed the miscreant monkeys’ behavior -- including scratching and groping -- on the visitors’ "colorful outfits" and imposed rules for the creatures, the official Xinhua News Agency said: politeness, humility, no harassment and "no scuffling."
We have hired George of the Jungle and Davy Jones to promulgate the new rules through out the herds of monkies.
"It is really tough for the ’always free and unrestrained’ monkey group, according to local monkey tamers," Xinhua said.
Monkey Woodstock - great.
It wasn’t clear what methods would be used to instill humility in the monkeys, but the park does have a Plan B: monkey contraception.
Get a grip. they won’t wear those things.
The alternative is to spank that horny monkey...
Across the country, in the northeastern province of Liaoning, the Forest Safari Park in Shenyang is atwitter with the latest action by its operators -- dyeing the fur of monkeys in sundry bright hues in celebration of the New Year. "It was no easy job to dye monkeys," Xinhua deadpanned.
"First, catch the monkey...
Local advocates for animal welfare have expressed concern, saying they worried that the cream used to color the monkeys might be harmful. Zhu Chengwei, director of the Shenyang Wild Animal Protection Station, was cited as proposing scientific testing to determine whether the dye could hurt the monkeys.
They could test the dye on humans to make sure it is safe.
Xinhua continued its report with this extraordinary paragraph: "We had to anesthetize them first. They seemed to be surprised at their new strange coats when they woke up. But after a while, they indulged themselves in pleasure."
Our close relaitives have enterred the Age of Aquarius. Just make sure we limit each monkey to under four joints a day. Recent information leads us to believe that more can be harmful to the health. More study is needed - but we don’t need anymore volunteers for the continued research
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 12:17:34 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But can they type?

Judging by the posts infecting Rantburg lately, I'd say yes. But they can't use the shift key.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#2  SuperHose, brilliant commentary. I loved the ankle bit, and the spank the horny monkey bits in particular.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Ruprecht, thanks for the compliment. Fred added the spanking, and the Chinese people provided a rich canvas for humor.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#4  New Chinese pop single: "Hey, hey, we'e the monkeys! . . . "
Posted by: Mike || 01/22/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Seriously tho... what's weird that in India the Monkey Man meme bops up about once every what? 10 years or so? I believe it was last year about this time that a Monkey Man was terrorizing the rural areas of India.

Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:05 Comments || Top||

#6  A couple of years ago I read a story about some old guy in a faraway land that trained a monkey to climb coconut trees and toss them down to him. So the monkey goes up, tosses one down, skulls him with one and kills him. When we read the story in work, we thought about adopting him and giving him to our boss.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/22/2004 21:08 Comments || Top||


Garfunkel busted in his limo
Art Garfunkel, part of the folk music duo Simon and Garfunkel, was charged with marijuana possession after police pulled his limousine over for speeding in upstate New York. Garfunkel, 62, had a small amount of marijuana in his jacket pocket
d’oh!
when a state trooper stopped the limo Saturday afternoon in Hurley, 55 miles southwest of Albany, the Daily Freeman of Kingston reported. The trooper smelled marijuana after approaching the vehicle, in which Garfunkel was the lone passenger. Garfunkel, of Manhattan, was scheduled to appear in court on Jan. 28 on the charge, which carries a possible $100 fine, or he could respond by mail. Garfunkel completed a U.S. concert tour with Paul Simon last fall, their first in 20 years. The duo, who have been inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame, produced a string of hits in the 1960s, including “The Sounds of Silence,” “Mrs. Robinson,” “Old Friends” and “The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin’ Groovy).”
Bet he was, until he got busted....
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/22/2004 9:15:51 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can't believe he forgot to hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 9:34 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't think an arrest was made. The fine is only $100 bucks. Certainly Garfunkel gets that much from royalties. It's hardly news unless the cop broke a law in searching him without real probable cause.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#3  put it in the pantry with your cupcakes
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#4  One word: Ozium
Posted by: ed || 01/22/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#5  police pulled his limousine over for speeding

Slow down, you move too fast.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Doesn't he know how deadly that stuff is? Look at that poor sod yesterday. I mean, 24,000 doobies and it's all over.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Wha??? Oh that idiot herb vendor at Scarborough Faire screwed up my order for thyme.
Posted by: Penguin || 01/22/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I just hope he doesn't do a Diane Sawyer interview to explain his drug use. We didn't want to know about Whitney's personal life either. Keep it to yourself.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#9  think Art can take a punch better than Whitney? I doubt it
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#10  That smell? Weed? No, no, that's parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme!
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#11  He should have been sittin in the railway station.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/22/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#12  It would have taken him four days to hitchhike from Saginaw.
Posted by: Doc8404 || 01/22/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#13  Times are tough when you can't smoke a dube in your own limo!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 01/22/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#14  He should have put it in the pantry with the cupcakes.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/22/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#15  Ear Worms! Flying EarWorms!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#16  I'm okay now the Leslie Gore intervention squad made sure I got back behind the wall of sound.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#17  In the limo sits a pothead and a has been by his trade...
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/22/2004 21:12 Comments || Top||


Drunken elephants electrocuted
FOUR wild elephants who ran amok after getting drunk on rice beer were electrocuted in India’s northeastern state of Meghalaya when they brought down power lines, an official said Tuesday.
Cheeze, I hate it when I do that...
The herd went on the rampage on Sunday night after storming into villages and drinking from open casks of beer in a remote area in Meghalaya’s West Garo Hills district. "The elephants after getting high on rice beer, went berserk and started dashing against an electric pole," the forest official said.
They were scratching their backs. They were male elephants. When males get together to drink beer, they scratch and belch and fart. It's not limited by species.
"A live high tension wire fell on the herd leading to the deaths of four elephants instantly," he said. The casualties could have been higher but the herd of about 20 elephants moved away from the site sensing danger.
"Cheeze, Jumbo! Let's back away! Those guys look... dead!"
Wild elephants have been targeting areas in Meghalaya and the adjoining state of Assam where people brew large volumes of rice beer and have been causing large-scale devastation in remote areas in the two states. "A depleting forest cover and encroachment of elephant corridors have forced the pachyderms to stray out of their habitats," Assam Forest Minister Pradyut Bordoloi said.
... in search of beer. I sometimes stray out of my own habitat in search of beer.
In the last two years, elephants have killed at least 180 people in Assam and Meghalaya. Angry villagers in turn have killed up to 200 of the animals. The last elephant census in 1999 recorded 7,200 wild elephants in Assam and Meghalaya, more than half of India’s count of 10,000.
Fred, you were worried about bear attacks. Kinda unique when the deaths by the animals about equal the deaths by humans. Found via Greg at A Dog’s Life, chemist and borzoi fan.
When the elephants start packin' heat, the numbers are going to go out of sync again. Elephants are not dumb. They drink too much, but they're not dumb.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 8:56:39 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Don'cha hate it when the family elephant gets into the brewskis?
Posted by: Mike || 01/22/2004 9:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Where were the commando elephants?
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#3  open casks of rice beer in a tropical climate? mmmmmm good - ackkk!
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#4  the herd of about 20 elephants moved away from the site sensing danger.

"Come on Dumbo, your father and his friends are hitting the booze again."
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#5  When Pachyderms go bad...
Posted by: mojo || 01/22/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#6  If it had happened in North Carolina, they would have been calling fer Uncle Sidney to drive his piledriver to the scene to spit the four of them and Uncle Jethro would have brought a U-haul full of shine for the biggest pig roast the county had ever seen.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#7  Where the heck is FOX tv when you need them? a cross over between cops and "when animals attack" seems a natural here...
Posted by: flash91 || 01/22/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Fred, I think we need a separate section for elephants.
Posted by: Patrick Phillips || 01/22/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#9  Yeah, I've pretty much stopped giving elephants beer because of the same problem.
Posted by: Proud To Be An Infidel || 01/22/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#10  Me too PTBAI, I intercept them and chat on the lawn or near the curb. I never let them near the grill.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:10 Comments || Top||

#11  When males get together to drink beer, they scratch and belch and fart.
How do they decide which one gets the TV remote?
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||

#12  GK, I beleive that tusk size is the determinant. I have heard that African elephants normally choose the channels.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#13  Fried them into "Pink Elephants"?

Or was it the locals that had too much rice beer?
Posted by: DANEgerus || 01/22/2004 22:59 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
Korean Soldiers at Bagram
The more than 200 Republic of Korea soldiers serving at the air base here welcomed their president’s top military adviser for a Jan. 19 visit. Retired Lt. Gen. Hee-Sang Kim, accompanied by Maj. Gen. Ki Seok Song, operations director for the South Korean joint chiefs of staff, stopped in Bagram as part of a tour to deliver words of support from the South Korean people to their soldiers stationed in Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan and Iraq in support of the global war on terrorism. Bagram is home to three deployed South Korean units: the "Dong-yi" medical group, the "Da-san" engineer group and a small civil affairs unit that is part of the Parwan Provincial Reconstruction Team.

In the evening, all of the South Korean soldiers here gathered in the Enduring Faith chapel to hear a message from Kim about the importance of their work in Afghanistan. Afghanistan’s situation today is the same as that in Korea 50 years ago after the Korean War, Kim said. He told the soldiers the work they’re doing gives hope to the Afghan people and helps them develop their country, and he expressed South Korea’s pride in their performance. Since arriving in Afghanistan in late August, the current engineer group has completed 46 construction projects, the biggest of which was the expansion of the Bagram airfield’s taxiway and runway. The medical group, the fourth Korean unit of its kind to be deployed to Afghanistan, has treated more than 16,000 Afghan patients since arriving here in late August. In total, the four medical units have treated more than 84,000 Afghans over the last two years.

For medical group interpreter Sgt. Andrew Kyungyoon Kim, and many others, it was a surprise to see such a high-ranking government official come all the way to Afghanistan to visit a relatively small group of soldiers. The sergeant said one of the most impressive aspects of the entire visit was a simple gesture made by the distinguished visitor. "We had spent a lot of time setting up a special room for him and his entourage, but he said he wanted to sleep in the tents with the soldiers," said the translator. "It showed me that they wanted to feel what we are feeling out here."
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 10:06:37 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We had spent a lot of time setting up a special room for him and his entourage, but he said he wanted to sleep in the tents with the soldiers," said the translator. "It showed me that they wanted to feel what we are feeling out here."

- a Korean general out-thinks the smartest woman in the world.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Amran fight ends 
 for now
Tribal and government efforts have succeeded to end armed clashes between tribes in Amran governorate that erupted last week, claiming the lives of 12 primitives and injuring more than 20. An official source in Amran told the Yemen Times that the clashes between the tribes of Thu Jabir and Thu Suda in one side and Thu Mukaitab in the other were stopped after tribal Sheikhs and military figures interfered, and as the government took hostages from the two tribes to also help the end of fighting.

Military and security people were deployed to Kafla district, 170 km to the north of Sana’a. However, according to the official source at the local council in Amran, the problem is not yet sorted out, and the fight might resume. The fight claimed the lives of 12 persons from the two fighting tribes, including two women and two children. The tribes used heavy weapons including artillery. Governor of Amran Taha Hajir accused some tribal sheikhs of standing behind the fighting, to achieve personal interests. The fight has been reported to have erupted due to a 4-year old tribal feud when Skeikh Ghalib Bin Suda was killed and some people from the other tribe were accused of operating the murder. Every now and then, problems between the two sides erupt, but this time it was most violent. As many as 1,500 Yemenis are believed killed in tribal disputes every year. The government has set up a committee to sort out such problems but to no avail.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 16:50 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


U.S., Saudis, Jointly Seek to Freeze Assets of Charity
The United States and Saudi Arabia are asking the United Nations to freeze the assets of four branches of a Saudi charity accused of financially supporting Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida terror network, authorities announced Thursday. The four branches of the charity, Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, are located in Indonesia, Kenya, Tanzania and Pakistan, the Treasury Department said. "These branches have provided financial, material and logistical support to the al-Qaida network and other terrorist organization," the department said.
A Saudi charity, supporting terror networks? Is there any other kind?
The governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia want the United Nations to add the four branches to a blacklist of suspected terrorist financiers, which member countries ignore, whine about, pay lip service to must honor. Also Thursday, the United States said it was adding the four branches to its own list of people and groups suspected of financially supporting terrorism. That means any financial assets belonging to the branches found in this country must be frozen. It also means the designated branches are cut off from the United States’ financial system. It was not known whether the branches have bank accounts or other assets in the United States.
Not in those names, I’m sure.
Thursday’s announcement builds on previous action between the two countries involving Al-Haramain. The two countries on March 11, 2002, acted jointly to block the funds of the charity’s branches in Somalia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. Authorities said those branches diverted charitable contributions to bankroll terrorist activities. Al-Haramain, based in Saudi Arabia, has denied any link to terror activities and said it was only involved in charity work for the poor.
"You know how much C-4 costs these days?"
The Saudi government in 2003 ordered Al-Haramain to close all of its overseas branches, Treasury said. "Al-Haramain stated it closed branches in Indonesia, Kenya, Tanzania and Pakistan, but continued monitoring by the United States and Saudi Arabia indicates that these offices and or former officials associated with these branches are either continuing to operate or have other plans to avoid these measures," the department said.
Shocked I am, shocked!
Last month, the United States acted to freeze the assets of Vazir, a nonprofit organization headquartered in Travnik, Bosnia, and a key representative of the group, Safet Durgut. U.S. officials said Vazir was picking up where the closed Bosnia branch of Al-Haramain left off.
Just changed the name on their stationary, they didn’t even bother to move to new offices.
Some in Congress, however, have raised questions about Saudi Arabia’s cooperation in the war on terror and have criticized the Bush administration’s relationship with Saudi Arabia. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and other lawmakers have contended that in an attempt to maintain good relations with the kingdom because of its oil, U.S. officials ignore its lack of democracy, religious intolerance and halfhearted efforts to fight terrorism.
In good time, Chuck, in good time. Nice to know we can count on you to support military action......hey, get back here!
But Bush administration officials have said there have been encouraging signs of change from the Saudis since May 12, when suicide bombings in Riyadh, the capital, killed dozens of people, including some Americans.
"What kind of signs?"
"You know, signs."
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 11:57:54 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Crop circles?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Robert - Knowing Soddy Arabica, wouldn't that be "Crap circles"?

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/22/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Circle jerks?
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||


Baker to discuss Iraq’s debts with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait
EFL
One can only hope that the people of Iraq appreciate what the Bush administration and Baker in particular are doing to unsaddle them from stifling debt to allow them a brighter future.

US special envoy for Iraqi debt, James Baker, will visit Kuwait and Saudi Arabia yesterday
(tomorrow?)
after securing promises from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Qatar to waive most of Iraq’s debts to the two states. Baker "had a successful and productive meeting in the UAE and in Qatar on the subject of Iraqi debts," a US administration official accompanying the special envoy said. The UAE announced Tuesday it would write off the bulk of some US$4 billion owed by Iraq to the oil-rich Gulf state. Saudi newspapers, quoting official sources, reported in October that Riyadh would only reschedule, not write off, an estimated US$28 billion owed by Iraq. Saudi Arabia pledged US$1 billion of aid to Iraq at an international donors conference in Madrid in October. Half would be extended through the Saudi Development Fund and the balance used to "finance and guarantee exports to Iraq." The former secretary of state has already visited Europe and Asia with Washington’s message that Iraq’s debt hampers US-led efforts to put that country on course for democracy and prosperity.

Earlier this month, Kuwait said Baker was not expected to include the issue of billions of dollars in war reparations Baghdad owes the emirate for its 1990 invasion and subsequent seven-month occupation. Kuwait has filed compensation claims worth US$170 billion to the UN Compensation Commission, which has already approved some US$37 billion to the emirate and actually paid about US$9 billion. Unofficial estimates put the amount of Iraq’s debt to Kuwait at around US$15 billion without interest. Most of the Kuwaiti money was given to Baghdad in the 1980s when Iraq was at war with neighboring Iran.
Sammy's debt to Kuwait was probably the reason he went to war with them. Simpler just to gobble them up than to pay them back the money he owed them.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 8:05:42 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Saudi's are about to be introduced to the MOAB (Mother Of All Briefcases).
Posted by: PBMcL || 01/22/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#2  MOAB - excellent! LOL
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||


Britain
Dead scientist saw Iraq’s arms as immediate threat
EFL:
The late British weapons scientist David Kelly believed Saddam Hussein’s arsenal posed an immediate threat to Western interests, but could not have been deployed within minutes as the British Government claimed. Dr Kelly, who apparently killed himself last July after being named as the source of a controversial BBC story on Britain’s Iraq dossier, said about nine months before he died that Saddam’s chemical weapons could be "filled and deployed within a matter of days and weeks". The Hutton inquiry into his death due to report on Wednesday is expected to severely criticise the BBC and the British Government, which claimed in its September 2002 dossier that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction could be ready within 45 minutes.
I believe the "45 minute" claim came from a former Iraq general who still stands by that time, at least for the period when they were deployed.
Dr Kelly’s previously unseen interview was made in the month after the dossier was published. The BBC said a transcript of the interview had been given to the inquiry by Lord Hutton. Its broadcast on Wednesday, a week before the Hutton report, raised questions about why it had not been shown before to defuse last year’s heated row between 10 Downing Street and the BBC over Iraq’s weapons.
Because the BBC didn’t want to defuse the issue, they wanted to bring down Tony and stop the war.
The interview with Dr Kelly, a former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq, was shown on the BBC’s flagship investigative TV program, Panorama. When asked if Saddam’s weapons were an immediate threat, Dr Kelly replied: "Yes they are. Even if they’re not actually filled and deployed today, the capability exists to have them deployed within a matter of days and weeks."
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 8:50:32 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the BBC credibility, if it has any, continues to sink deep and deeper.
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, it would be quite an achievement to have non-existing weapons ready in 45 minutes. Have any weapons been found after the war? No. Have the UN inspectors found anything even resembling a WMD after years of searches? No. There are no WMD in Iraq, and there haven't been any, at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons, and turned a blind eye while he used them against Iranians and Kurds.
And the original claim was that Iraq could attack Great Britain in 45 minutes. I wonder where all those Iraqi ICBMs are now...

BBC still has higher credibility than any american news media. I mean, Fox news? They make Joseph Goebbels look impartial and righteous.

But hey, as long as Dubya gets to spend a bazillion dollars of american taxpayers money on a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants, who's complaining?
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3 
Fox news? They make Joseph Goebbels look impartial and righteous.
Haul out the "they're just like the Nazis" charge, you automaticaly lose your argument, euroboy.

Not that the rest of your comment had anything to do with reality, either.

BTW, the UN "inspectors" couldn't find their asses with both hands. They made the Keystone Kops look competent.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#4  a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants

Iraqis are rednecks?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#5  "Euroboy" wrote: at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons

Sorry, EUboy, you've been suckered by a meme. The USA did NOT give Saddam loads of biological weapons. Iraq bought certain agents from the ATCC on the open market. These agents were "dual-use" and have legitimate uses in developing vaccines, etc. Ethical countries use them properly, Saddam didn't. Those purchases though were small, and that was confirmed by the UN inspectors themselves.

By far the greatest amount of equipment and supplies for Saddam's WMD program (both bio and chem) came from -- yep, the USSR! Followed by France and Germany. They sold Saddam media, culture supplies, microbiological and manufacturing equipment, and so on. Whatever chem/bio stuff Saddam had at any point (like when he gassed the Kurds) came from them, not the US.

But don't feel bad, this meme has been in the EU press for a long time. It's just wrong.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/22/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#6  euroboy :The name says it all.
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Funny thing is that people like Euro-boy bleat on about evidence of WMDs...while at the same time ignoring detailed reports on who sold arms to Iraq. Clue: it wasn't either the US or the UK. They are the ones getting killed by arms sold to Saddam by France, Germany and the USSR.
Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge || 01/22/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#8  euroboy said:
"good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons"
excuse me but you left out Europe's contribution:
1.Iraq’s State Establishment for Pesticide Production (SEPP) ordered incubators and culture media from Germany’s Water Engineering Trading.
2.On 2/87, Germany’s Sigma Chemie supplied seven ounces of trichothecene mycotoxin, including T-2 toxin and HT-2 toxin, to the German firm Plato Kuehn, which indicated that the material would be exported to Iraq.
3. 1987, Josef Kuhn of Germany delivered 100 milligrams of trichothecene mycotoxin T-2 to Iraq.
4.Iraq obtained "deadly pathogens" from the Pasteur Institute in Paris.
5.In 1989, Denmark’s Niro Atomizer Co. supplied Iraq with two spray dryers, one of which was installed at Al-Hakam in 1992.
6.Between 1991-94, the UK firm Oxoid, a subsidiary of the UK-Dutch firm Unilever, sent a total of 3,000 lbs of growth medium to Iraq in four shipments licensed by the United Kingdom’s Department of Trade and Industry.
7.In 1987-88, Iraq ordered a total of 39 tons of growth media from the UK firm Oxoid and the Swiss firm Fluka Chemie.
8.Firms in Italy, Switzerland, and Germany supplied fermentors to Iraq.
http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/flow/iraq/index.htm
And there are many more examples of Europe's contribution.
So the blame isn't only on the good ol USA like you want to think, it is on the whole damn world.
But mostly the blame should be on Iraq itself.
Iraq got a little bit here and a little bit there and used deception and greed of companies and the middle east situation to develop these programs.
So get off your high horse euroboy.
And while you're getting down you should realise these situations are not all cut and dry "blame America" in the real world...and btw, Europe is letting Iran get away with the same deception that Iraq used, in the nuclear arena.
And since Europe is handling the Iran sitaution
you can't just blame America this time.

Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#9  Damn I hope Dean wins New Hampshire.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Shipman:

Never fear, I am doing my level best to make sure he does.
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/22/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#11  You're a good man Carl.... start early.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#12  I'm not sure Euroboy knows what a meme is anyway. Besides, Troll that he is, he's posted here and now he's gone for the day.
Posted by: Ughman || 01/22/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#13  Euroboy: Welcome to Rantburg! Better seek out a good proctologist. I believe the term for your condition is "accute cranial-rectal conflation". Good luck.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 01/22/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#14  But hey, as long as Dubya gets to spend a bazillion dollars of american taxpayers money on a war no-one except ill-informed rednecks wants, who's complaining?

Definitely not me. But I wouldn't consider myself ill-informed.
Posted by: Rafael || 01/22/2004 14:10 Comments || Top||

#15  Good point raf. I'd say blowing up our enemies is a good use for my tax money too. Its been a while since I could fill out tax forms with a smile on my face.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#16  There are no WMD in Iraq, and there haven't been any, at least not since the good ole US of A gave Saddam loads of biological weapons, and turned a blind eye while he used them against Iranians and Kurds.

Uh huh. And Area 51 contains secret underground facilities working on alien technology salvaged from Roswell, NM.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#17  Biased BBC says Baghdad Broadcasting Corp is still spinning.

And all this brouhaha over a little cable station w/barely 3m viewers, unlike the BBC and BBC radio w/110 million. Once Fox gets to those levels, zeropean, we'll discuss.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 01/22/2004 14:43 Comments || Top||

#18  Its been a while since I could fill out tax forms with a smile on my face

Yes!
PJ O'R Wrote about how all goverment spending is a waste.... but at least with an SM2 launch you get GOD'S OWN ERECTION! LOL Let's waste it this way.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#19  I've always considered myself a well-informed redneck.
Posted by: Secret Master || 01/22/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||

#20  For spring break one year in college, we hopped a MAC flight to Ramstein - we had Active Duty ID's because we were Acedemy punks. Anyway, on our trip I think I ran in to euroboy in a disco in Luxembourg. One of my buddies was going to hit on her him until we noticed the extra deep voice. The Pet Shop Boys had a song out then called West End Girls that was a bewitching dance track, but we weren't that drunk. We hurriedly downed our Bittburgers bolted back to Germany. We discussing woodworking to reassure ourselves and retired to as seperate corners as four guys are able in a Ford Escort filled with 6 plastic carton cases of fine German beer.

With respect to the mortar rounds, Ekeus predicted that any Iraqi chemical agents (other than HD) would degrade rapidly. I wonder whether the poor quality of the agents lead to rapid decay which inerted the rounds. I am baffled as to any other reason for a mortar round to have a liquid in it's payload.
Also Let's assume that Scott Ritter (he wasn't the guy on Three's Company?) was right about the trailers being mobile weather balloon inflation stations. Why would you need that type of in depth weatherhinformation for support of conventional artillery. Then again, maybe Sadaam was brilliant and our forces should embed Al Roker immediately.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:06 Comments || Top||

#21  SH you have a darkness in your sul. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 20:00 Comments || Top||


Europe
Fury as Italians back female mutilation
Health authorities in Florence triggered an outcry after they accepted a version of female circumcision.
A gynaecologist in the city is proposing to perform a "light" version of infibulation, the mutilation of the genitalia of young girls which is practised in many African countries.
Dr Omar Abdul Kadir, a gynaecologist who has been working in Florence for several years, claims that his operation satisfies the traditional demands for the operation from many African mothers, yet "causes neither pain nor damage". But the proposal, and its acceptance by the local health authority, has outraged Italians campaigning against female genital mutilation (FGM). Cristiana Scoppa, who works for Aidos, a Rome-based non-governmental organisation working in Third World countries on women’s development, said that the operation would break Italian law.
"You can be prosecuted for cutting an organ that is healthy," she said. "If the damage is so big as to eliminate the organ, you can get 12 years in prison."
The plan for the operation to be performed in Florentine hospitals, though agreed by the city’s health authority, must now go before the regional health authority’s bio-ethics committee for ratification. The committee, to meet in March, would have to be agree before hospitals in Florence could carry out the procedure.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 11:28:56 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's an idea: If the "procedure" is acceptable for some women in Italy, it's acceptable for all women in Italy. See how the rest of the Italian women like that. (Hint: Dr. Kadir, better start running now.)

Better yet, the immigrants from Africa can adapt to the customs of their new country and leave this barbarity behind.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 23:48 Comments || Top||


I would be suicide bomber in Israel, says UK Lib Dem MP
A senior MP provoked anger last night after claiming that she would consider becoming a suicide bomber if she was living in conditions faced by the Palestinians.
Jenny Tonge, the former Liberal Democrat spokeswoman on international development, said that she did not condone the Palestinian bombers, but said she could "understand" their actions.
Her comments, which came a week after Reem al-Riashi became the second Palestinian mother to carry out a suicide bombing, were immediately condemned as "sickening" by the Conservatives. Dr Tonge also faced a dressing down by Liberal Democrat whips over the comments to a campaign meeting at Westminster.
The MP, who once called on Tony Blair to drop "bread not bombs" on Afghanistan, told Sky News: "From minor things to major things their life does not feel like it’s worth living.
"What I said was that I did not condone suicide bombers. But I do understand why people become suicide bombers. It’s out of desperation."
"And I guess that if I were in their position ... and saw no hope for the future at all, I might just think about it myself," she added.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 11:02:23 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, that's just f'ing brilliant. If she wants to experience real desperation, she should try living as a woman in a Muslim society. When she's forced to be clothed head to toe, can't socialize with any men outside her family, can't drive her own car, has no political representation or vote, and sees other women executed by their families for the "crime" of being raped, then ask her if the source of that desperation is Israel or the boil on society's ass called Islam.
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 23:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, gee, Ms. Tonge - come on down!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 23:43 Comments || Top||

#3  What a farking idiot. What does she expect people to do send even more money to them so that Arafat's wife can go on a another Paris shopping spree.

The Palistinians choose to live like they do. We offer them a roadmap to their own Palistinian state and they blow the fucker up. They can get out of the cesspool they are in anytime they want by getting rid of Arafat and Hamas and start taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everything on Israel.

Why doesn't she go live in Pakistan.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/22/2004 23:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Hey, I would even consider being a suicide bomber. Someones got to take Arafat out for the Pals to have normal lives.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/23/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  She's been sacked today from her party positions for her F*&king brilliance and big mouth..deservedly so
Posted by: Frank G || 01/23/2004 21:57 Comments || Top||


Hizb ut-Tahrir gets a reprieve in Denmark
Controversial Islamic group Hizb-ut-Tahrir will not be forcibly disbanded in Denmark. Justice Minister Lene Espersen announced the news last week, after receiving a report from the State Prosecutor’s Office on the constitutionality of banning the group. State Prosecutor Henning Fode concluded ’after a thorough evaluation’ that Hizb ut-Tahrir should not be banned pursuant to Paragraph 78 of the Danish constitution. This paragraph states that groups may be forcibly disbanded if they attempt to promote their aims through the use of violence. Lene Espersen agreed with Fode’s recommendation. ’I would like to emphasise that the decision regarding Hizb ut-Tahrir is not a sign of acceptance for anti-Semitic remarks that have been made (by Hizb ut-Tahrir members) in the past. This position was made clear when the Eastern Circuit High Court convicted a Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman for violating the penal code’s racism paragraph,’ said Espersen. Espersen said that any Hizb ut-Tahrir members found in violation of the nation’s criminal code would be duly prosecuted.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 4:29:38 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


More on the Mzoudi trial from Expatica
The Iranian intelligence service was the initiator of the 11 September 2001 suicide-jet attacks on New York and Washington, according to a defector quoted Thursday by German police at the Hamburg terrorist trial.
I'll actually be very surprised if that turns out to be true, but go on...
One Federal Crime Office interrogator said he had taken down a statement in Berlin on Monday from a former Iranian agent who insisted that Iran had employed Saudi radical Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network to carry out the attacks. The defector could not appear himself in court because he had been promised anonymity, two police officers told the trial of accused plotter Abdel-Ghani Mzoudi, a Moroccan student who lived in Hamburg and was friends with three of the four suicide pilots. The shock claim emerged on the day when a verdict had been scheduled. The prosecution asked for the delay to hear the new evidence. The end of the trial may be delayed for weeks. The defector, who stated he had fled Iran in July 2001, two months before the attacks, claimed ultimate responsibility lay with a man named Saif al-Adel, who was an official in Iran of Hezbollah, a radial Shiiite organization with close links to Iranian intelligence. According to the defector, "Department 43" of Iranian intelligence was created to plan and conduct terror attacks, and mounted joint operations with al-Qaeda. Osama bin Laden’s son, Saad bin Laden, had made repeated consultative visits to Iran. According to the unnamed agent, Mzoudi too had visited Iran for three months, though the agent said he had never seen him, and did not know at what point in time the visit took place. The claim runs directly counter to the received wisdom about the attacks: that they were conducted by young Sunni Moslems loyal to Osama bin Laden, a radical Saudi with ideas rooted in his country’s Wahhabi brand of Islam. Iran’s Islam is the opposed Shiite variety.
That doesn't say the two groups couldn't work together toward the same ends...
The 28-year-old police witness said the defector claimed to have first received information about Mzoudi by e-mail after his defection and from "other Iranian intelligence sources". The defector alleged that following the 11 December release of Mzoudi from trial custody, the sources told him they believed Mzoudi had only been released so that he could be tailed by western investigators hoping he would lead them to other terrorists. "That is why al-Qaeda is going to liquidate Mzoudi," the defector was said to have stated.
"He knows too much, Mahmoud. Youse know what to do..."
The defector also declared that immediately after fleeing Iran, he had approached CIA station officers at the U.S. embassy in Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic adjoining Iran, to warn them attacks were planned. "He wrote a five-page letter stating that something would happen on 10 or 11 September without precisely delineating what it could be," said the police witness. The man claimed he had been passing information to the CIA since 1992 and had been promised USD 1.2 million in payment, but had never received the promised money after his defection. He had therefore resolved to sell information to the Germans or French. "He says he wants to negotiate terms for further cooperation with the federal prosecutor general’s office," he said. A second police officer, aged 29, said he found the claims of the defector were "not unrealistic", given what Germany know of the structures of the Iranian intelligence service. But the court was unable to establish more about the credibility of the defector. The policeman said he did not know why the defector had waited so long to come forward with such explosive information. Presiding judge Klaus Ruehle pressed both police officers to offer their personal impressions of the man they interrogated. "It is noticeable that you are both very cautious every time we ask for an assessment of this witness," the judge said to them.
Yeah. If all this time you've been working on one observed set of facts, and somebody adds something entirely new — unthought of, even — you've got to be pretty careful about seeing how well it meshes with what you were working on before.
Federal prosecutors suddenly announced Wednesday they had new evidence, more than a week after closing arguments by both sides. The court had been widely expected to pronounce Mzoudi acquitted on Thursday. Federal prosecutor Walter Hemberger said Thursday that though he had applied for a 30-day extension of the trial, "I don’t think we will need the full 30 days." He said a week or two would be enough to weigh the Iranian’s credibility. Mzoudi is accused of assisting in more than 3,000 murders and of being a member of Egyptian student Mohammed Atta’s terrorist organization in Hamburg. The state contends Mzoudi must have known what his close friends were planning and was therefore a conspirator.
My guess would be that he knew they were terrorists, that they were planning something big, helped all he could, and didn't know the details.
Prosecutors have demanded he go to jail for 15 years, like Mounir al-Motassadeq, another Moroccan, who was convicted in Hamburg in February last year. But judges freed Mzoudi on December 11 after earlier hearsay evidence relayed by the Federal Crime Office. In that instance, a person thought to be self-confessed plotter Ramzi bin al-Shibh said Mzoudi had not been privy to the conspiracy. German trial procedure allows such hearsay evidence, which would be prohibited under the Anglo-American legal tradition. Judges said the second-hand statement they attributed to bin al-Shibh created reasonable doubt about Mzoudi’s guilt.

After the 11 September attacks, US diplomats are alleged to have put out feelers to the Lebanese branch of Hezbollah, offering a truce with the anti-US group in exchange for all the Shiite group knew about the activities of rival Sunni terrorists. Hezbollah’s spiritual leadership claimed in late 2001 they had received such approaches, but denounced them as an attempt to drive a deeper wedge between the two main denominations of Islam. The US government has accused Iran of harbouring al-Qaeda operatives, but has not alleged that Iran was behind the attacks.
At the same time, there have been stories from the first about the Jerusalem Project, kind of like an Appalachia of terrorism, featuring a special guest appearance by Hojatoleslam Ali Akbar Mohtashami. And Imad Mugniyah has been bruited as the link between Qaeda and Hezbollah for quite awhile.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 4:22:46 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Teddy Kennedy was right!! We attacked the wrong country. Rule, Teddy. Teddy to the fore. Lead us to Tehran. We're behind you ... What? ... No, I don't beleive that they have KFC there yet... Why do you ask? .... No, I think Iran is a dry country. I don't think you can get that there either...Oh, OK. I'm sorry to hear that.... OK boys. Let's try this one from the top. Tom Daschle was right!! (scene fades)
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||

#2 
The man claimed he had been passing information to the CIA since 1992 and had been promised USD 1.2 million in payment, but had never received the promised money after his defection. He had therefore resolved to sell information to the Germans or French. "He says he wants to negotiate terms for further cooperation with the federal prosecutor general’s office," he said.

Sounds like a scam artist to me.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 01/22/2004 23:28 Comments || Top||


French Muslim jailed for anti-Semitism
A 24 year-old French Muslim has been sent to jail for six months after being convicted of an anti-Semitic assault on a neighbouring Jewish family. Rabah Zihani threw a stone at members of the Alimi family as they left their home in October and shouted, "Dirty Jew, Hitler did not finish the job," lawyer David Metaxas said on Thursday. "The Alimi have been through hell. For three years the four of them have been targetted with insults and swastikas on their door," said Metaxas.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 12:44:16 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One down. 10 million to go.

Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/22/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#2  The Alimi have been through hell. For three years the four of them have been targetted with insults and swastikas on their door

Let's congratulate the French authorities for a speedy response!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#3  I should have made this headline read "France jails Muslim for Anti-Semitic Attack".
As he did throw rocks at them.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#4  article says they are also looking at going after inciters

note - some of the antisemitic inciters are also attacking the headscarf ban - a genuine change of heart on Chiracs part, or a convenient way to kill 2 birds with one stone - getting people opposing french policy on schools, and also dealing with accusations of antisemitism that are really hurting Frances image abroad (esp in the US)
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 13:30 Comments || Top||

#5  "Dirty Jew, Hitler did not finish the job"

Interesting, since they deny the Holocaust ever happened.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 01/22/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#6  Come to America.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||


France scumbag eases rift with United States
France is ready to surrender open a new chapter in its stained strained relations with the United States but without changing any of its foreign policy objectives, government officials say.
No changes? F*&$ off.
A series of official comments and news analyses point to a strong desire to end the sniping that has marred the trans-Atlantic relationship for most of last year.
Tough. Here is a quarter...call someone...
The French president and close buddy to Sammy, to the surprise of many diplomats, described NATO as the "foundation of our collective asses defense" and said that "there cannot be any opposition between NATO and the European Union."
He later added: ‘Besides, who else would protect us?’
The mood of improved relations between France and the United States was highlighted last week by French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie’s visit to Washington and New York. She spoke of "a desire for normal relations" and described U.S. officials as showing "a more open and understanding attitude" toward France.
Hey asshat! We always have shown an ‘open and understanding attitude’ but you ...ahh forget it. I get to too upset sometimes.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 01/22/2004 8:18:05 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As far as i can tell the sniping is almost entirely one way. Yes Rummy made his "old Europe" comment but beyond that the US has let the Europeans snipe and bash and thrash about. If they want to repair relationships they should stop talking about repairing relationships and instead stop the sniping.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  One-way sniping? Hey, who changed "french fries" to "freedom fries"? And just check out any rant here mentioning anyone french, and then tell me americans dont snipe at the french. In Europe, no-one cares about this ridiculous petty bickering. All France did was to incite this fury from the US was to question whether it was prudent to go to war without the consent of the UN. Nothing else. And look what happens, they are derided as scumbags, cowards, asshats etc etc, even if they are pro-american.
Way to alienate yourselves internationally, you bloated, inbred, cowardly, waddling-targets-for-suicide-bombers!
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#3  I realize it's a troll, but active lying needs to be countered:

All France did was to incite this fury from the US was to question whether it was prudent to go to war without the consent of the UN. Nothing else.

Wrong. France openly blocked the UN from approving action. France openly worked to keep other nations from voting with the US, and blatantly declared it would veto any measure that resulted in action.

That's not just "questioning", that's active opposition.

I can't say I'm amazed at the ignorance the troll demonstrates, but I am amazed it feels comfortable revealing that ignorance in public.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#4  No problem, Euroboy. Enjoy sharia.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, actually, euroboy, France did a lot more than that. It told Powell one thing privately and then sandbagged him in public at the UN. It overtly lobbied among 3rd world nations to oppose the US, going so far as to threaten that Turkey's potential to join the EU would be destroyed if they allowed bases to be used by US troops. There's a lot more, but we'd run out of bandwidth if I and others took the time to detail it all.
Posted by: rkb || 01/22/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Words to live by, #14,327:
When word and deed conflict, believe the action every single time.
Posted by: mojo || 01/22/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#7  All France did was to incite this fury from the US was to question whether it was prudent to go to war without the consent of the UN. Nothing else.

Wow! Whirling dervishes. They did not just question. They stood in the way with their impotent, impish, idiocy. Why? Because 1) The French clearly were conflicted between their friendship with Sammy and their oil contracts. And 2) Trying to prove to the world that they remain a force to be reckoned with.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 01/22/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  RC, do you think 'euroboy' (& keep those sneer quotes right where they are) is really Dominique de Villepin trying to assert his sexuality?
Posted by: nimrod || 01/22/2004 11:23 Comments || Top||

#9  EUboy wrote: All France did was to incite this fury from the US was to question whether it was prudent to go to war without the consent of the UN. Nothing else.

France said that it would NEVER go to war in Iraq REGARDLESS of circumstances -- that is, they would veto any resolution at the UN Security Council. That means no UN approval. Clever how that works, eh?

France WAS in this for the oil: Chirac and TotalFinaElf had billions of sweetheart contracts with Saddam for southern Iraqi oil fields and development. Add in the surrepetious arms sales, the money France skimmed off in the "Oil for Palaces Food" program, and the close contacts between the Chirac administration and Saddam, and you can see why France didn't want a war. And why they tried to undermine our efforts all the while claiming to be "friends".

You should understand something, EUboy (and I'm trying to be nice): the American people will not tolerate this sort of hypocrisy from those who claim to be our friends. The anger you see here about France is real and it's reflected across our country (except for the radical left, of course). France failed twice: it failed to stop us from liberating Iraq, and it caused average Americans to reconsider just why in the hell we'd want the French as our "friends" in the first place.

That's quite an accomplishment for Chirac.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/22/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#10  EuroboyFrance said(in plain lanquage for everybody in the world to understand)that France would veto any resolution authorizing force.(inspite of res:1441 already authorizing force)

How's that bullet hole in your foot?
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Euroboy makes me laugh. I'm a Euroboy, too, and the French are considered asshats by most Estonians as well. Remember "you missed a good opportunity to shut up"? Well, we do. Sounds like the days under Moscow to us. If you don't think the new EU countries aren't going to be backing the likes of Poland and Spain over France on future issues, they're up for a rude awakening.
After treatment like that, the new EU states aren't going to be "led" by "our betters," who only follow the rules only when it suits them.
Nice cheeses, they've got, though.
Posted by: Baltic Blog || 01/22/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#12  Euroboy:
I might have believed you five years ago, but now we have bloggers like Merde in France and Dissident Frogman that translate the anti-American filth that appears in the French papers of record like Le Monde and Liberacion every single day. No French bashing like that appears in the NYT or WAPO. None at all.
Posted by: 11A5S || 01/22/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#13  " you bloated, inbred, cowardly, waddling-targets-for-suicide-bombers!"
Frankly, I expect better retorts from trolls here at Rantburg. Show some creativity. You seriously bore me Euroboy.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#14  " you bloated, inbred, cowardly, waddling-targets-for-suicide-bombers!"

Not great but a passing 6.5
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#15  Baltic Blog, "nice cheeses", Yes indeed! EU bony boy. I've been to France. They are as puffy as anybody I see in the US but a little more pungent. The French can't even win their own bike race anymore (without doping like Richard Verenque) and none are even able to carry Lance's water. Buy the way Bony Boy, do your roomates feel the same way?
Posted by: Lucky || 01/22/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#16  All France did was to incite this fury from the US was to question whether it was prudent to go to war without the consent of the UN. Nothing else.

now please name just one instance where france went to the un before launching military operations in africa?
Posted by: Dan || 01/22/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#17  Wow. A fat joke. Now I see why our bureaucrats are so keen on getting us merkins in shape. They must get stinging remarks like this hurled at them at international conferences.

How ever will I go on...
Posted by: eLarson || 01/22/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#18  Euroboy, you're the same kind of delusional cheese-eating surrender monkey that made me start boycotting French products in the first place. No changes? F*&$ off. The boycott stands!
Posted by: Tom || 01/22/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#19  Euroboy, I'm only counting governmental sniping. Yes the US Congress changed French Fries to freedom fries and Rumsfield called France and Germany "Old Europe". Compare that to the comparisons we've heard about Bush being dumb, a cowboy, a warmonger, and other vile stuff and it appears you are either deaf dumb and blind to sniping coming from Europe or you are simply uneducated.

I'm betting its a bit of both.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#20  Euroboy, now if you want to count the civilians in the Fray lets talk about the bestsellers in France that claim the US actually attacked itself in order to wage war on the world. There is sniping, and then there are verbal nukes.

France has not been a friend of the US since the end of WW2. France is ashamed that they had to be liberated by English speaking peoples, and they need to get over themselves. Being the anti-America gets you knowhere, try being France for a change.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#21  As an aside to what buttEuroboy mentioned here, I came across a statistic the other day, and have been giving it deep thought: the United States has approximately 290 million people, and 200 million guns. Disregarding the few million people who own more than one weapon, there's a lot of US Citizens not pulling their fair part of the load here. We need to talk to these folks. An armed populace is not only a polite populace, it's much more difficult to play terrorist games with people who shoot back.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/22/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#22  waddling-targets-for-suicide-bombers

LOL. I think euroboy may be of Palestinian origin. Oh and BTW: "bring it on!"
Posted by: Rafael || 01/22/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#23  Old Patriot, I'm chagrined to admit that I am one of those not pulling their fair share. This will be corrected soon...
Posted by: BH || 01/22/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#24  Disregarding the few million people who own more than one weapon

What?

We have many weapons, my favorite is sneering and snaping... wait.. that's two.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#25  Is that you again Murat?
Posted by: Bodyguard || 01/22/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#26  I don't think so Bodyguard. Murat was much quicker on the draw. Much more the droll troll.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||

#27  Euroboy? That's sounds so...gay.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/22/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#28  As a blogger at "A Small Victory" says, "We can't just ignore France... what other country rhymes with underpants? (credit: reader Wisacre)

I see London
I see France
I see Chirac's
underpants

Are they yellow?
Are they pink?
All I know is that they STINK!
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 01/22/2004 23:57 Comments || Top||


"The Clash of Civilizations Will Not Happen"
The following is part I of a three-part translation of a speech by the French foreign minister (Dominique de Villepin) that was delivered on January 17 at UNESCO.
Translation from the Radical. Part II is posted first, then scroll down for PartI
Posted by: tipper || 01/22/2004 2:12:24 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is unreadable. Platitudes. I suppose that such forums and their speeches are always so but when you hear Villepin talk, he really does sound like an academic - the bad kind. His ideas are dated and he offers nothing specific in the way of actually dealing with real situations. The French are ideologically bankrupt.
Posted by: Tokyo Taro || 01/22/2004 3:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Never before have universal values so merited their name and never before has there been a better forecast for democracy

Universal values!?! sheesh, de Villepin (I hear he's a man), has the first part of that statement dead wrong as evidenced by the head scarf riots,and Paleo mothers strapping on C4 belts, as well as numerous other examples of beastial behavior. He may not want to think that there is a war of civilizations on, so he will do what the French do in time of crisis - nothing, except try to obstruct everything the US does, all the while complaining loudly about it.
Which brings up the second part of that statement about there has never been a better forecast for democracy, that is a fact, although that was brought about without any help from France.

I got the impression from reading this that he thinks mighty highly of himself - well he is French after all.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 01/22/2004 7:13 Comments || Top||

#3  2000 Warsaw Declaration: 107 attendees voted "YES" on advocating democratic reform for ALL nations. One nation voted "NO" -- France....
Posted by: Garrison || 01/22/2004 7:23 Comments || Top||

#4  "The clash of civilizations will not happen . . . we will surrender first!"
Posted by: Mike || 01/22/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Civilizations always clash, it's just that the loonytoons Muslims take it personally.
Posted by: Hiryu || 01/22/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||

#6  It was hard to read the text in the Radical since it seemed interpersed with comments, but if I did read it right (and perhaps not the entire article) one thing seemed missing: who is clashing? He does refer to Muslim fanaticism but it is extremely nuanced. Did I miss something? The clash is all about Western Civilization (Greco-Roman-Judeo-Chrisian-Enlightment) vs the Islamic World. Was he afraid to discuss this?
Posted by: Seymour Paine || 01/22/2004 10:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Seymour, denying the clash of civilization is the favorite hobby of the chattering class in France. Friend ship and cooperation with the "other side of the medditerranea sea" is what matters, so a clash is not possible. Why, Borloo, our minstry of urbanizing casually told that France was a "Magrheb country" on radio, and Our Dear President Jacques "82%" Chirac talked about the "muslim roots of Europa". So, you see, there is no clash.
And if there is a clash of civilization, it is to only as an excuse for US appetite.
Funnily, the Huntington book is unavailable at Amazon.fr (Tm) since at least 2002 (but you can now buy it used), which indicates it has not been reprinted, or it is not offered by amazon.fr (Tm)
Posted by: Anonymous coward || 01/22/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#8  muslim roots of Europa

Duh f$%#?

Would someone explain that to me?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Basically, in november 2003 during a discussion at the Elysé with Philippe de Villier, an allied right-wing catholic-oriented politician, Chirac mentionned the "muslim roots of Europe"; can't remember if that was an "off" conversation that was reported by PdV, or a public one, but the remark is not invented. I'm not making this up. «Les racines de l'Europe sont autant musulmanes que chrétiennes.» The roots of Europa are as muslim as they are christian.
Posted by: Anonymous coward || 01/22/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#10  Does anyone have any idea what he was thinking about when he made that remark? I mean, it's true, if you consider invaders and a thousand-year-long threat of invasion as major influence on Europe, but not NEARLY as important as the Christian and pre-Christian influences on Europe.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Of course the roots of Europa are as Muslim as they are Christian. There were two sides at Battle of Poitiers. I'm just not sure which side Chirac and de Villepin would have been on...
Posted by: Fred || 01/22/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#12  " La France est un pays du Maghreb" (French urban affairs minister Jean-Louis Borloo).

And "al-Maghrib" in Arab is the Islamic West.

"La France est un peuple européen de race blanche, de culture grecque et latine, et de religion chrétienne" (de Gaulle).

What ever happened to Gaullism?
Posted by: True German Ally || 01/22/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#13  Once again France proves to the world their leadership views are still stuck in the late 17th century. There not only definitely IS a "Clash of Civilizations" (and has been since ~1945), but France is one of the focal-points of that clash. The fact that they deny it is just another reason why the rest of the world despises the French and their snotty attitude.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/22/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#14  What ever happened to Gaullism?
Indeed. He was France.
Sigh.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#15  "muslim roots of Europa" - This is complete nonsense. Modern Europe grew out of a Protestant north European tradition, and although France was a catholic country, it had a strong anti-clerical movement that was in many ways in tune with the protestant tradition. There is also a significant Jewish influence and earlier from the Italian states. To find a significant moslem contribution you have to go back about 500 years, and as I have explained before. The primary contribution of Islam was to have retained much of the Greek knowledge that had been lost in Europe. Although even that contribution was essentially a negative one, as it merely reinforced the idea that there could be new knowledge, previously considered heresy (literally). Galileo is a good example.
Posted by: Phil B || 01/22/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#16  Part III is now up at the Radical.
Read it and weep.
As a mattter of interest, I ran that speech through Bullfighter and it gave it 37% for clarity, andcame up with the following comment, which is about spot on
"Diagnosis: Teetering on the edge of unclear. The overall meaning remains discernible, but it becomes possible to lose oneself in corollary thoughts, which may be worth exploration, but which can also detract from the core point of the written article."
Posted by: tipper || 01/22/2004 21:57 Comments || Top||


Surprise witness delays verdict in September 11
More on Iranian connection to 9/11 - the defector now has a name - and a familiar one at that.
On what had been the eve of his widely expected acquittal, the trial of the second person charged by German authorities as an accomplice of the Sept. 11 hijackers was thrown into turmoil Wednesday after prosecutors disclosed the existence of a surprise witness purporting to link Iran to the hijackings. The mysterious witness, who goes by the name Hamid Reza Zakeri and claims to have been a longtime member of the Iranian intelligence service, is said to have told German investigators that the Sept. 11 plot represented what one termed a "joint venture" between the terrorist group al-Qaida and the Iranian government.
That one's a show-stopper...
Sources familiar with the witness’ story, greeted with pronounced skepticism by some German intelligence officials, say he also implicates the defendant, a 31-year-old former Moroccan student named Abdelghani Mzoudi, as a knowledgeable participant in the hijacking plot. "If the story was true, the consequences would be remarkable," said one senior intelligence official, who observed that the witness’ account comes nearly 2 1/2 years after Sept. 11, 2001, and "looks a little bit constructed."
Almost tailored, in fact...
Zakeri is not expected to appear in the high-security Hamburg courtroom Thursday, where officials of the German federal police, the BKA, have been summoned to explain why they believe Zakeri’s testimony is credible. Sabine Westphalen, a spokeswoman for the Higher Regional Court of Hamburg, said the five-judge panel that will decide Mzoudi’s fate had received a 30-page transcript of the BKA’s interview with Zakeri conducted within the past few days. Westphalen said the federal prosecutor had asked "to interrupt the hearing of evidence for 30 days in order to be able to examine the data of the witness and its reliability." No verdict is now expected before Jan. 29. The appeal to the court to consider Zakeri’s story amounts to a last-minute move by the chief German prosecutor, Kay Nehm, to preserve the fast-fading possibility of a conviction in what is likely to be the last trial in Germany of an alleged accomplice of the Sept. 11 hijackers.
I can understand why the cops and the intel services would want to keep him from having to appear in court. Iranian involvement would be a political and diplomatic bombshell — the sort of thing you'd want to have every duck in a row for. If it turns out to be true, vast international repercussions; if the guy's a phony, egg all over everybody's face...
In the first such trial, which concluded last year, another Moroccan student, Mounir al-Motassadeq, was sentenced to a maximum of 15 years in prison for aiding the Sept. 11 hijackers. Motassadeq admitted knowing some of the hijackers but denied any foreknowledge of the Sept. 11 plot, in which four airplane hijackings resulted in more than 3,000 deaths. Mzoudi has taken essentially the same stance. According to the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, Zakeri reportedly said Mzoudi acted as the hijackers’ liaison with their al-Qaida support network. Until now, the case against Mzoudi has been entirely circumstantial, resting on evidence showing that he performed a number of logistical and "housekeeping" services for the principal hijackers, both before and after they left Hamburg to begin flying lessons in the U.S. The prosecution’s theory, not supported by any direct evidence or testimony, is that Mzoudi must have known why Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, believed to have piloted the two hijacked jets that struck the World Trade Center, had quietly departed northern Germany for Florida. In December, however, the Hamburg court ordered Mzoudi’s release from prison after being informed by the BKA that a confessed Sept. 11 co-conspirator, Ramzi Binalshibh, had told U.S. intelligence agents that those who did know of the hijacking plot had "never talked to others about the true operations or the establishment of a terrorist cell" in Hamburg.

Any credible evidence linking Iran to Sept. 11 would have immediate and profound repercussions for U.S. relations with Iran and the Muslim world. Bush administration officials have included Iran with North Korea and the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein in what they term the "axis of evil." The Tribune reported last year that Shadi Abadallah, a 26-year-old Jordanian who said he served as one of Osama bin Laden’s bodyguards in Afghanistan, previously told the BKA that one of the world’s most-wanted terrorists, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, described by Secretary of State Colin Powell as an "al-Qaida associate," was closely allied with the Iranian government. Zarqawi, a one-legged Jordanian national who heads the al-Tawhid terrorist network, which some U.S. officials say is linked to al-Qaida, has been accused by the Bush administration of helping al-Qaida develop plans to attack the West with radioactive and other weapons of mass destruction. American officials, who say Zarqawi is responsible for the assassination of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan, have placed a $5 million reward on his head.

Kenneth R. Timmerman, a senior writer for Washington-based Insight magazine, said he interviewed Hamid Zakeri during several telephone conversations last summer and that the man "told a very credible story." Timmerman said he had been able to corroborate a number of the physical details provided by Zakeri concerning such things as the physical layout of the Tehran headquarters of the Iranian Ministry of Information and Security, or MOIS. According to an article Timmerman published in July, Zakeri said that he worked for the Iranians’ "supreme leader," Ayatollah Ali Khameini, and that he was present at two meetings between senior Iranian and al-Qaida officials in the months before Sept. 11. Timmerman said Zakeri had provided him a document purportedly signed by the Iranian intelligence chief, Hojjatoleslam Ali Akbar Nateq-Nouri, in May of 2001, ordering a strike at this country’s "economic structure, their [sic] reputation and their internal peace and security." Because the Mzoudi case is still before the German court, the CIA declined to comment.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 12:14:39 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dan, the German protocol gives no names, nor does the Spiegel. That it is Zakeri is pure speculation for now.
Posted by: True German Ally || 01/22/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#2  TGA yes thats quite true course if what "Zakeri" says its true well thats tantamount to a declaration of war between Iran and the US isn't it?
Posted by: Val || 01/22/2004 1:36 Comments || Top||

#3  They're harboring al-Qaeda's leadership, they've sponsored attacks on both our troops (in Iraq) as well as strikes on our allies (in Turkey and most recently Israel). I would also argue that in light of the NATO Charter Article 5 if Iran is indeed responsibe for or complicit in 9/11 than Iran is at war with not just the US, but all of NATO as well.

I would have argued that Iran picked sides in this fight the moment they started letting al-Qaeda flee into its territory after the fall of the Taliban. Since then it's only been a matter of when, not if, the other shoe is going to drop.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 1:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Right you are,Dan.
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 6:43 Comments || Top||

#5  I think we will bide our time until shortly before or after the re-election of Bush, barring any further huge disclosures or acts by Iran. It'll be Mussolini-time for the blackhats...
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Consider:

In February of 2003 Zakeri told al-Sharq al-Awsat, "we had in our headquarters models of the [WTC] two towers, the White House, the Pentagon, and the CIA building at Langley".

Then in June he told Insight Magazine's Kenneth R.Timmerman, "It was a model of the World Trade Center, the White House, the Pentagon and Camp David."
Posted by: Robert Stevens || 01/22/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#7  There is a lot of talk among Rantburgers (fries with that?) about how Syria is the next target. I doubt it. Iran is a real threat whose rapidly developing nuclear program has the clock ticking. They will, or should, be the next target. Syria can be squeezed by Israel and Turkey, we'll take on the black hats.
Posted by: remote man || 01/22/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#8  The renowned German Süddeutsche Zeitung now confirms that it is indeed Zakeri.
Posted by: True German Ally || 01/22/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#9  given the WMD issues, which have been blamed, fairly or not, on intel from defectors, theres going to be a lot of skepticism about anything coming from a defector on an issue as sensitive as this.


Lets hope the Iranians toss the black hats themselves, and we dont have to make the case.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#10  The more I read the more sceptical I become. The only "evidence" for Zakeri's claim that Mzoudi was involved in the "logistics" of 9/11 is an encrypted email with blackened out sender, and only a copy of it is in the hands of the BKA. The translator can't read it. Zakeri claims to have received the mail from Iran in December 2003, and the mail echoes what Hamburg prosecution has said about Mzoudi.

I smell a rat here. The CIA didn't buy his story and refused to pay him. Zakeri turns to the French and they are not interested either. Now the Germans listen because they don't want Mzoudi to walk free.

I read that the chief judge seems to be very sceptical about Zakeri's credibility. The Mzoudi thing seems to be a little too obviously "out of the magical box".

That doesn't mean that Zakeri is lying. But I doubt that Mzoudi will be convicted because of Zakeri's hearsay. He never saw Mzoudi in Iran.

The whole thing raises a lot of questions though. What does the FBI/CIA know about Iran and 9/11? Did they send Binalshib's exoneration of Mzoudi to the BKA in order to achieve Mzoudi's liberty? So that they can bag him when Germany kicks his ass to Morocco?

After two years I think we should have a right to know more about 9/11 than we are told. That secrecy starts to piss me off. Who is protecting whom here? If a German court is trying a man who is suspected to have aided in the killing of 3000 people in the U.S. I expect more cooperation from the American side. These secrecy games can backfire easily.
Posted by: True German Ally || 01/22/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Knowing more about 9/11 would be nice, but probably not useful. Have the good patience to wait 50 years. We all have our own ideas about Saudi princes dieing of thirst, traffic accidents, and heart attacks. As well as Pakistani Generals dieing in plane crashes. But what use, other than personal validation, would having our suspiscions confirmed serve? Would it benefit national security, or help in winning the "WOT"?
Posted by: Vea Victis || 01/22/2004 19:52 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Rape, Abduction of Women Causing PR problem for Jihadis in Kashmir
Alarmed by incidents of rape, abduction and molestation by foreign mercenaries in Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK)-based United Jehad Council has asked militants to follow ‘strict guidelines’ while dealing with women.
During interrogation recently, some arrested militants revealed that the UJC has become alarmed over the behaviour of some of its cadres which is causing resentment and alienation towards the militant groups among the local population, Defence sources said in Jammu on Wednesday.
The situation has become so alarming that the PoK-based apex body of militants has now decided to intervene directly and issue guidelines to its cadres, they said.
The militants told that the UJC has now prohibited all marriages by militants operating in the valley and a militant can marry in Kashmir only after taking necessary permission from the Markaz-e-Amir (commander of the militant organisation) and the field commander, sources said.In case of non-adherence, the militant will be thrown out of the organisation, the captured ultras revealed.The UJC has also warned that no militant will abduct any women, including married, forcibly and take her to his hideout, the militants further revealed."That the UJC had to pass such strictures shows how true these allegations are and also indicates the dwindling support to militant outfits," they added.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 10:25:11 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is terrible! All those rape victims mean the cadre will be too busy with "honor killings" to get any training done!
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||


LJ man arrested
FAISALABAD: Gulberg Police on Wednesday claimed to have arrested a man linked with the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ). Sources told Daily Times that a police team arrested Mohammad Khaliq and recovered two hand grenades from his possession. Sources said that Mr Khaliq was living in a rented house in Afghanabad and was frequently visited by LJ activists. Mr Khaliq allegedly told police during his interrogation that the grenades belonged to Mohammad Shakeel, an accomplice of Riaz Basra.
"Yeah. Dey ain't my grenades. I wuz just keepin' 'em for a friend."
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 15:20 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


2 rockets land near Dera Bugti
QUETTA: Two rockets exploded near Dera Bugti, a tribal town, but there were no injuries and damage, said a police official Mohammad Illyas on Wednesday. Mr Illyas said it was not yet investigated who fired the rockets that left craters late on Tuesday in a field.
"We'll get around to it. Don't rush us. It's just a stray rocket or two. Happens all the time when you live around Bugtis..."
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 15:17 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Two Harkat men arrested in Karachi
Police arrested two men said to be activists of the outlawed Harkatul Mujahideen Al-Almi, sources told Daily Times here on Wednesday. On the basis of information extracted from Shamim Ahmed who was arrested on Sunday from Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a team of the Crime Investigation Department (CID) raided a house in Shafiq Colony and arrested Inamullah and Shakeel, sources added. They said Inamullah was the brother of Ikramullah from whose house police had recovered substances used for making explosives. Sources said the Crime Investigation Department also recovered some belongings of the late Asif Ramzi from the house where Inamullah and Shakeel were arrested.
"Yes. These are his underwear. And that was his favorite detonator! [Sniff!]... And this... this... this was his favorite turban! [Blubber!]"
Ramzi, who headed a group of the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was killed in September 2002 while making explosives in a house in Korangi.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 15:14 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "On the basis of information extracted from Shamim Ahmed"

heh heh - I hope needle-nosed pliars helped
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 15:31 Comments || Top||


Musharraf’s policies threat to nation: Qazi
LAHORE: Jamaat-e-Islami Ameer (JI) Qazi Hussain Ahmad said on Wednesday that Pakistan had been forced to take steps against its national interests because of General Pervez Musharraf’s “poor” policies. Addressing the annual congregation of the Islami Jamiat Talibat, Mr Ahmed Hussain said western media had targeted Muslims and associated Islamic and jihadi movements with terrorism. “Nations struggling for their independence and survival have also been declared terrorists, which is a violation of the UN charter,” he said.
It is not. That's just silly. I think Qazi just sez anything that pops into his beturbanned little mind. Have some more pie, Qazi.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 15:11 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Police claim major terrorist strike foiled
Pakistani police investigating a bombing last week outside an Anglican cathedral said on Wednesday that they had foiled “a major terrorist strike” by seizing a huge stock of bomb-making material. More than 500 kilogrammes of chemicals used to make fertiliser bombs were found in an abandoned house in a Tuesday night raid in a poor neighbourhood, Karachi City Police Chief Tariq Jameel told Reuters. The raid was conducted on information obtained from Shamim Ahmed, an Islamic militant arrested in connection with last Thursday’s car bombing outside the Anglican cathedral that wounded 11 people, said Sindh Inspector General of Police Syed Kamal Shah. Police describe Mr Ahmed as the operations chief of the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has been blamed for a series of deadly attacks on Westerners and religious minorities in Pakistan.
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Haze Shrouds the Hizb-ul-Mujaheddin
"DON’T SHOOT," Ghulam Rasool Dar had shouted out to photographers on August 3, 2000, "my life is in danger." It’s unlikely the Hizb-ul-Mujaheddin’s (HM) overall commander of operations in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) had time to make the same plea to the Indian troops who surrounded his hideout on January 16, 2004 - but his prediction turned out to be prophetic. Dar had made his way across the Line of Control in 2000 to participate in the Hizb-ul-Mujaheddin’s (HM) first - and so far, last - official contact with the Government of India. His task was to represent his Amir, or supreme commander, Mohammad Yusuf Shah, who is widely known by his nom de guerre, Syed Salahuddin. Shah had become increasingly suspicious of the pro-negotiations HM commander who spearheaded the dialogue, Abdul Majid Dar. Soon after the talks, Shah shut down the dialogue process. Majid Dar held his ground, only to be expelled from the Hizb. In March 2003, Majid Dar was executed by a HM hit squad near his home in Sopore. The assassination provoked a split within the HM’s cadre in Pakistan, but with the help of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence, Shah remained firmly in control of the organisation. Now, it appears, the HM doves have had their vengeance.

Operating under the aliases Ghazi Nasiruddin, Riyaz Rasool and Zubair, Rasool Dar was second in seniority in the Hizb command, reporting only to its Amir, Mohammad Yusuf Shah. Dar’s elimination is a significant blow to the HM command structure, and could have consequences for the imminent dialogue between the Union Government and secessionist politicians in J&K. Dar was killed in a brief encounter with the 2 Rashtriya Rifles battalion at Zainakot, near Srinagar. The elimination of the HM commander marked the climax of a long-running hunt, which began soon after Dar took charge of the operational command in November 2003. The key breakthrough came when Indian intelligence began intercepting calls made by Dar on his Thuraya hand-held satellite phone. India is among the few countries in Asia with a significant satellite signal interception capability, which is enabled by a string of listening stations run by the Research and Analysis Wing’s National Technical Intelligence Communications Centre.

Dar’s elimination will have considerable consequences for the HM’s military operations. The organisation has lost a string of top-level commanders over the last year - a sign, some believe, of a blood-feud within the organisation sparked off by the 2002 assassination of the pro-dialogue commander Abdul Majid Dar. In April, Indian security forces succeeded in eliminating Rasool Dar’s predecessor as military commander, Ghulam Rasool Khan. As things stand, the Hizb will be hard-pressed to find a credible successor for Dar, a Jamaat-e-Islami (JeI) veteran who enjoyed the personal confidence of the organisation’s Amir. Dar himself had been reluctant to serve in the Kashmir valley, and delayed filling the post for several months after Khan was killed. Now, Shah needs to nominate someone from among his diminishing circle of confidantes on the HM’s central command council, since the organisation is fighting against time to stall the imminent dialogue between All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) moderates and New Delhi. In recent days, the HM, as well as sister jihadi organisations like the Jamait-ul-Mujaheddin (JuM), have held out threats to the life of APHC moderates.

Shah is also confronted with discipline issues within the organisation. Local HM units in some areas, notably Budgam and Anantnag, are believed to have entered into profitable protection-rackets involving contractors working on the Qazigund-Baramulla railroad. Such activity, obviously, does little for organisational discipline. Although disaggregated data for Hizb-ul-Mujaheddin activities is not available, 97 terrorists were killed against just 19 Indian security personnel in December 2003, an unusually adverse ratio, indicating rising pressure on and disarray within terrorist ranks. Unfortunately for the Hizb Amir, he is open to criticism for having made deals of his own with the Indian state. Shah has five sons, not one of who has joined the jihad in Jammu and Kashmir. One, Wahid Yusuf Shah, studies at the Government Medical College in Srinagar, to which he was controversially granted an almost-unprecedented transfer from a privately run institution in Jammu. The other brothers are either students, or work in government and private sector jobs.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 01/22/2004 12:14:32 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Muslim Chix Box
It’s from the BBC, so maybe they "sexed it up," but I hope its true. Maybe Islam doesn’t need a Martin Luther. Maybe it just needs a few women boxers. I’d pay good money to watch one of these gals knock the snot out of one of those Saudi religious police.
At the crack of dawn every day, a wiry girl leaves her cramped home in Calcutta’s squalid Kidderpore area and jogs to the lush gardens of the city’s stately Imperial Library. For the next hour, Razia Shabnam goes through her paces, as early morning walkers gape at her. "She’s the woman boxer. Be careful of her!" quips one passer-by. Razia Shabnam, 23, is more than a female pugilist. Braving stiff resistance from relatives and neighbours in the desperately poor Muslim ghettos of Calcutta where women have traditionally lived a cloistered life, Shabnam made it to the big ring. Now she is India’s first Muslim woman boxer-turned-coach and international referee. Ashit Banerjee, a boxing enthusiast who runs a club in the city and brings out the only boxing magazine in India, remembers that in the early days the girls would leave home in burqas and slip into shorts and boxing gear once they had reached the ring. He says he has been accused of misguiding the girls. "Parents were aghast. Relatives chided the girls. Some Urdu papers even called me an infidel. Today things have changed and the girls are coming in droves."

Twin sisters Shanoo and Shakila Baby, 15, are also seeking a career in the ring. Their policeman father died a few years ago. Encouraged by their mother who says she used to slip out of home when she was young to play football with the boys, the twins took up boxing. "The boys are scared of us. If somebody messes around with us, we give it back to them," says Shakila, who thrashed a man who tried to snatch her handbag at a fair two years ago.
Posted by: 11A5S || 01/22/2004 12:12:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like we're winning the culture war, no society can stand the hammer blows of Foxy Boxing.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 01/22/2004 7:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Lemme see you try to put her in a burka.
Posted by: BH || 01/22/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#3  The thing about this story from my POV, is not the fact that there are Islamic female boxers, but the fact that the poster writes that because it's a BBC story maybe they 'sexed it up'.

This is really sad for me, as I remember the BBC as being a bastion of impartiality (or maybe I'm looking through rose glasses).

Anyhow, nowadays I would be really pleased if the whole bloody institution was shut down (well, keep the factual programs) - they do not represent the majority of British people any more.

BBC delenda est!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 01/22/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Tony, I am getting my British papers mixed up. I thought the Sun was the sexy one :-)
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Iranian Acedemic Killed after being caught between a rock and a hard place
EFL from LA times
They buried Abdul Latif Mayah on Tuesday, and with him, many academics’ hopes for intellectual freedom in the new Iraq. Gunned down only 12 hours after advocating direct elections on an Arab television talk show, Mayah was the fourth professor from Baghdad’s Mustansiriya University to be killed in the last eight months, his death the latest in a series of academic slayings in post-Hussein Iraq. "His assassination is part of a plan in this country, targeting any intellectual in this country, any free voice," said Salam Rais, one of Mayah’s students. "He is the martyr of the free world."
Snip - many details about the man that are quite interesting. They ought to fill a couple of the newly vacated pedestals with statues of this guy.
Mayah, whose friends said he was 54, was a longtime pro-democracy activist who had been jailed by Hussein after calling for elections in 1996. He had received anonymous death threats for several weeks, friends and family said, and began traveling with a bodyguard. As he drove to work Monday, his Mitsubishi sedan was stopped by unidentified men. Mayah, the bodyguard and a colleague were ordered out of the vehicle. The gunmen opened fire only on Mayah, and he died at the scene. One local media report said he was shot 32 times.
It'll be interesting to see who bumped him off. I'd be interested in knowing who bumped off the other three academics...
The night before he was slain, Mayah was a guest on a talk show on the Al Jazeera channel, where he supported a call by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq’s leading Shiite Muslim cleric, for free elections by June 30, when the U.S. is scheduled to return sovereignty to Iraq. In calling for quick elections, Mayah was opposing the United States, which has proposed a caucus system to choose the country’s new leaders.
The US respects dissent, but I guess somebody else was less tolerant.
Mayah, a Shiite and a former low-level member of Hussein’s Baath Party, "was supporting Sistani," said Jabber Habib, a political scientist at Baghdad University. "Had he not supported Sistani, he would have been killed by the other side."
I'm not sure about that. If it had been Moqtada he wasn't supporting, I'd believe it...
Habib, a prominent commentator, said Mayah’s slaying has made him reconsider his own regular television appearances. The killings of the three other Mustansiriya professors came amid anonymous notes left on campus warning members of the outlawed Baath Party that they faced execution. In the northern city of Mosul this month, the dean of a local university’s political science department was slain, an attack seen as the work of Baathists against someone they viewed as a collaborator in the U.S.-led occupation. Some Iraqis say there was no obvious motive behind the killing of another academic, an engineering professor, in Basra last year. Iraq’s insurgents — largely Sunni Muslims and Hussein loyalists — are among the suspects in Mayah’s slaying. The Sunnis feel threatened by the majority Shiites’ call for direct elections.
And they're in the habit of sending opponents to the boneyard, a habit Sistani doesn't seem to possess...
Mayah’s mourners suggested there was a foreign element to his killing but offered no details. A banner carried at the head of the funeral procession blamed "America and the Zionists."
For some reason or other. My guess is that they had the banner left over from early last year, before Sammy departed...
Other students and professors at Mustansiriya University say they were at a loss to imagine who might have killed Mayah. "Why such fear of an idea?" asked Kasim Fellahi, a colleague. Rais, Mayah’s student, said his professor saw good things ahead for Iraq. "He was optimistic," Rais said. "Always optimistic."
I guess his glass is now permanently half-full.
In a semi-related article Common Dreams asks Why Do Iowans Like To Caucus But Iraqis Don’t? Due to the article’s high percentage of drivel to facts, I won’t post it, but the few details of the CPA’s caucus format do sound FUBAR’d.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 1:16:58 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The title should have been Iraqi not Iranian.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 21:16 Comments || Top||


Colonel bids for hearts and minds
Lt. Col. Stephen Russell eased himself into a cheap, plastic chair at the front of a small auditorium and greeted the sheikhs arrayed before him with an affable "Allah bikheir"... Russell, who commands the 1st battalion, 22nd regiment of the Army’s 4th Infantry Division, believes his firm stance has played a major role in reducing attacks on his troops. But he also knows that forging ties with the sheikhs, who exert enormous influence on their tribesmen, is crucial. The most difficult part of establishing the weekly meetings, Russell said, was determining which of the city’s many tribal leaders to include in a permanent council. He answered the question by inviting all of Tikrit’s sheikhs to an open meeting, and then noting who got the seats up front.

Those respected men - about 10 of them - now meet with Russell weekly, bringing concerns and complaints from their tribes and receiving information about the occupation’s military and administrative actions. For the first few meetings, Russell sat in the largest leather chair on the dais in the auditorium. Now he sits on the same level as the sheikhs, a position he says better reflects the spirit of the diwan, the traditional Arabic tent where tribal elders meet to discuss matters as friends and equals. At Monday’s meeting, Russell’s regular translator was absent, so Tikrit’s mayor, Wali al-Ali, was drafted as a stand-in...

Several members of the council of sheikhs said Russell does not break promises, but does not always have the authority to act quickly. Nevertheless, the sheikhs said, they see Russell as their only line of communication to their occupiers. "He’s a great man. ... He’s better than the common American soldier, of course. He’s an educated man," said Sheikh Sami Sharif al-Nasari. "(But) he doesn’t have enough time to spend with the sheikhs."

Russell’s understanding of Arab history and culture comes from deep immersion in the subject. His library at home in Oklahoma boasts some 2,000 history books -- about 100 of which deal with the Middle East, including a rare first edition of T.E. Lawrence’s "Revolt in the Desert." Brig. Gen. Abdulla Hossein Mohammed, the Iraqi military affairs manager for the province, said Russell plays a crucial role just by coming to see the sheikhs. He pointed to the line of supplicants bearing scraps of paper and begging Russell to read them. "You see? Half an hour, just pieces of paper. ’I want my relative out,’ " he said. "He doesn’t promise they will get out, just that he will look. That is what we want."
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 11:47:47 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The AoS strikes again! BWAHAHAHahahahah!
Posted by: mojo || 01/22/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Who's gonna be there when they rotate out? The Army of Tony#trade;? The Army of Bob#trade;?
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Hope he gets a chance to really brief his replacement on what works and introduce him to the sheikhs.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 13:15 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope and pray LCol Russell is on his way to becoming GEN Russell -> COS of the Army.
Posted by: alaskasoldier || 01/22/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||


Someone Built a MUCH Better Sandbag...
More cool stuff for our troops, picture at link:
One of the less heralded life-saving, and labor saving, devices in Iraq is the HESCO barrier. This is a collapsible wire mesh container with a heavy duty plastic liner. Open it up and use a front end loader to fill it with sand (dirt or gravel) and you have a protective barrier to protect personnel and equipment from enemy fire (or bombs). Originally designed for use on beaches and marshes for erosion and flood control, the "HESCO Bastion" as it is officially known, quickly became a popular security device even before September 11, 2001. The device is named after the company that developed it over a decade ago, a British firm called HESCO.
For anyone who has filled sandbags, this is a dream come true.
The labor saving angle is very popular with the troops. Before the HESCO barriers, troops filled sandbags, which was slow. One soldier could fill about 20 sandbags an hour. Troops using HESCO barriers and a front end loader can do ten times the work of troops using sandbags. The HESCO barriers come in a variety of sizes designed for military work. Dimensions of these are (high, wide, long); 4’6”x3’6”x32’(costing $651), 2’x2’x4’ ($46.50), 3’3”x3’3”x32’ ($493), 3’3”x5’0”x32’ $740), 2’x 2’x10’ ($98), 7’3”x7’x91’ ($3,500), 4’6”x4’x32’ ($665), 3’3”x2’6”x30’ ($445), 7’x5’x100’ ($3,700).
Seems a bit pricey, bet they are hand made with high labor costs. High volume production should bring that down.
There is also a special "bunker kit" for building bunkers. Most of the barriers can be stacked. The barriers are shipped collapsed and very compact. You quickly pull them open, then fill with sand or dirt. Filled with sand, 24 inches of barrier thickness will stop rifle bullets and shell fragments. It takes five feet of thickness to prevent penetration by an RPG round (although these usually do not hit at the right angle to need that much thickness, but just explode creating a lot of fragments.) About four feet of thickness will protect against most car bombs. The HESCO barriers have prevented hundreds of casualties among US troops and done wonders for morale.
Neat.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 10:29:13 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Western inginuity will trump Islamofacist violence in the end.

Hopefully their end. And soon.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Or, Pan-arabic patriotism will conquer American greed and colonialism. Just like the Vietnamese and Koreans peasants on bicycles won big-time over the worlds greatest superpower.
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, eunochboy... shouldn't you be out rounding up some Jooooooooos?
Posted by: nimrod || 01/22/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#4  I beginning to think "euroboy" is actually very subtle satire. The name conjures up a super hero's sidekick, and the rhetoric is so ignorant it reeks of stereotyping.

Euroboy! So ignorant his merest utterance causes others to go into shock!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 11:05 Comments || Top||

#5  And what are those Vietnamese "winners" doing today, euroboy? Trying to rent Cam Ranh to the US Navy and get in on the US export market.

If you think the Viet Cong won the war in Vietnam, why did it take NVA tank columns to enter Saigon?
Posted by: BMNN || 01/22/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow, your ignorance and prejudice is baffling!
-> nimrod, naturally, everyone who opposes your right to bomb anyone, anywhere, is a jew-murdering nazi.
Throw enough shit and some of it may stick?
(For the record, my wife is jewish, which also means my children will be)
->Robert, regarding my monicker, yes, it is ment as a satirical snipe at the euro-bashing rednecks who seem to think all "euros" are the same (evil terrorist jew-hating frog-eaters). And boy, do y'all live up to my expectations!
-> BMNN, my point here is that every dead US soldier or wrecked vehicle (in Vietnam, Korea or Iraq) is a huge cost for the US military, at the price of a 50$ black market RPG fired by an illiterate shepherd/farmer/whatever. The longer the US stays in one place, the higher the costs and lower the morale. As in Korea and Vietnam. I do not deny that it was the NVA regulars who actually won, but one can not discount the importance of the VC, who actually were peasants on bicycles.
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#7  who let the trolls in?
Wife huh? You mean your right hand? Who said the trolls could procreate - there oughtta be a law against that!
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#8  Who let the trolls out? WOOF WOOF WOOF.

Trying to release your inner Dean EB?

Let's hear is now.... YARRGGGGGG!

Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#9  You will soon be undergoing the procedure called "Death by 1000 Mocks".
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Way cool--I wonder if these will be modular and interlocking, too? It sounds like with the "bunker kit" you could interchange kits and create some slick variations to accomodate geography and threat levels.

Euroboy--What the hell is "pan-Arabic patriotism"? The only thing pan-Arabic is Islam as a religion and the Jews as a scapegoat. Did you fall for that media lie about the "Arab Street" that was supposed to uprise after the invasion and throw the US out of the Middle East for good?
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#11  What the Vietnamese are doing today? They live in opression. That is all those who haven't been killed after torture. I simply cannot stand the leftist scum who is ready to have millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians or Iraquis totured and killed as long as the leftist can get a hard-on burning an American flag gaves
Posted by: JFM || 01/22/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#12  What the hell is "pan-Arabic patriotism"?

I think he meant "pan-Arab nationalism", which in its most visible forms is known as the Baath party. Kinda lets you know where his sympathies lay, doesn't it?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#13  "Or, Pan-arabic patriotism will conquer American greed and colonialism. Just like the Vietnamese and Koreans peasants on bicycles won big-time over the worlds greatest superpower."

So tyranny is better than liberty? Yeah right.
Posted by: Korora || 01/22/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#14  My fellow euroboy doesn't give a shit about the vietnamese, about the arabs, or anyone else for that matter : he just wants the USA to fail, and doesn't care who has to pay the price for that failure.
Trouble is, so far, only mud people suffered, while the Great White European Man pleased Himself with progressive ideologies, and enjoyed safely the glory of self-hatred.
Now, the Great White European Man is under siege, the mud people have come to His home, and fully intend to overcome His Way Of Life with their. And they are succeding at it, too.
Still, the Great White European Man is stuck in His time loop, and longs for the USA to be defeated, just like in Viet Nam, good ol' times. Only, this time, if the USA fail, the Great White European Man is going to pay the price, not the mud people.
My view of the future (10-20 yrs) of western Europa, specifically France (I'd say euroboy is a fellow countryman)? Fascism, either the ordinary type, or the muslim one, or both. I'm serious.
Posted by: Anonymous coward || 01/22/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#15  I'd bet on "both".
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#16  In the short run Iraqi nationalism will defeat Pan-arab nationalism. Hopefully after that Iranian nationalism will defeat Shia fundamentalism, Pakistani nationalism will defeat Wahabi fundamentalism and Pashtun tribalism, and Egyptian nationalism will defeat pan-arab nationalism.

For Saudia and Syria im not sure. Dont see any real alternatives to Wahabism in Saudi, or to pan-arab nationalism in Syria.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#17  I hope you're not right AC. I wouldn't want us to have to take Normandy back again. Where are all the prickly French and German rednecks? (are any left)? They did exist as I am decended from the German variety. They should be taking their countries back from the city folks.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#18  Euroboy, if Vietnam won so greatly, why are they desperate for American money, American investment, American _CAPITALISM_? *shrugs* I don't think you even WANT to understand, child. You want some nice socialist world where we're all living equally. A world where no one is rich, no one is poor, we're all identical, and identically treated.

Well, Fuck that, son! I'm a killer, the son of killers, the grandson of killers, and the descendant of killers. I've just decided to not kill _TODAY_. Tomorrow, I might change my mind. I might not. But I have the RIGHT to make that change anytime I like.

"The cowards never started, and the weak died along the way..."

A line from a famous poem about the settling of the American West. If you lose, you're weak. Sorry about that.

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/22/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#19  Mock, mock, mock. Mock, Mock. Mock.
Mock.
Posted by: Highlander || 01/22/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#20  Thanks, Highlander. Just 993 more to go.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 01/22/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#21  To return to the topic, I have filled sandbags, and at a lot faster rate than 20 an hour. Four pointy-nose shovel-fulls of clean sand per bag, I would say about 4 bags a minute would be a good pace.
Fred, Euroboy is already a major pain in the arse. Can you lose him please?
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#22  Euroboy is fun, don't lose him! He provokes some of the greatest commentary from Rantburgers that I have seen. Nice job folks.
Posted by: Rafael || 01/22/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#23  Won't this breakthrough render as obselete the life'work of several crack NK scientists? Well, another slug of Juche and on to the next project. It can happen when you surf the cutting edge of scientific research.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||

#24  I forgot. Has a sales rep contacted Kofi yet? Last I remeber I think he has some of the same problems.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||


Kurdistan
BBC reporter explores Kurdistan in a nice series of articles

Day 1
Day 2
Day 3

Kurdistan is different - there are trees unlike much of the flat desert land in the south, the traffic lights work, the people speak an entirely different language. And they like going to the pub.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 10:28:10 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And their TV is vastly different from the BBC: twenty four hours after the capture of Saddam the journalists at Kurdsat still looked like if they were on the verge of laughing and screaming their joy.
Posted by: JFM || 01/22/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||


Iraq laundresses killed in attack
Four Iraqi women who worked for the US army have been killed in a gun attack on their minibus. Police said several other women were wounded in Wednesday’s attack near the town of Falluja, about 50 kilometres (32 miles) west of the capital Baghdad. They all worked as cleaners and laundry staff at a US base near Baghdad.
SNIP
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 10:18:40 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ahhh, the courageous Islamic rebels attack a strategic resource! Cowards and pussies....so much for honor and shame, hmmm?
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#2  These world-famous honor of the men throughout this region is very remarkable. Too bad that so many innocent women are murdered as a consequence.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 01/22/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Yes, I'm sure the Iraqi and Afghanistani women children prefer to be blown to bits by the honourable, chivalrous American pilots. But hey, that's not "murder", it's "regrettable collateral damage". Sorry, I forgot.
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Uhh,Eweboy,does your Jewish wife know you consider it ok to shoot-up/blow-up bus loads of Jewish women and children.After all that is what you consider legitamate reisistance,isn't it?
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Euroboy, that is a perfect example of why americans look at europeans as naive little children. Many of you guys just simply fail to see the difference between an intentional targetting of civilians and an accident. But then again... I'm not so sure you fail to see the difference (because that would be so ridiculously stupid it's hard to comprehend) as much as you just are anti-american/anti-israeli and don't WANT to see the difference. Until you stop with you're bs rhetoric americans will not listen to you silly euros. So you have 2 choices. Wake up and be objective and logical or continue with your nonsense and be ignored like the little children you act like.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 01/22/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Welcome aboard euroboy. If you can ever think of anything intelligent to say. Feel free to express yourself.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#7  The chances that "euroboy" is actually from Europe are pretty slim. Probably another school kid with more time than brains.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#8  The reason we have had so many of these "euroboy" geeks of late is because the new school semester is in session.

And it usually takes these types a week or so to figure out how to use a keyboard and login...
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/22/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Excellent catch, Carl! Between the new semester (and the relative unimportance of early classes) and Dean's loss in Iowa, the trolls are in a frenzy!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Many of you guys just simply fail to see the difference between an intentional targetting of civilians and an accident.

I wouldn't be so quick to cop to the killing of Afghan civilians, even unintentionally. Afghans are getting into the game of ghost (i.e. made-up) civilian casualties, because they've heard that the US will pay compensation for collateral damage and casualties. Even Afghan officials are getting into the game - note the instantaneous proclamations that the casualties were women and children, without any real attempt to investigate. It would not surprise me in the least if they got a cut of the proceeds.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/22/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#11  And let's not eliminate the possibility that the locals are killing people and blaming the US.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#12  Falluja needs to be dealt with. I agree w/OP - Ring em' remove em, flatten it.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 01/22/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#13  ...and salt the ground it sat upon. "Full Roman" to use Lileks's phrase.
Posted by: eLarson || 01/22/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#14  The murderers were in a car that pulled up right next to the vehicle carrying the women. The murderers then shot them with automatic weapons.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 01/22/2004 23:56 Comments || Top||


REBUILDING IRAQ ARMED FORCES
Sippets of the briefing:
  • The process starts at three main recruiting hubs in Basra, Baghdad, and Mosul. Now, that also represents, as you might predict, the spread of the country and the ethnic distribution. Each class that is recruited is ethnically balanced. This provides an atmosphere where tolerance is essential to mission accomplished. We are looking for those individuals who wish to defend Iraq and its newfound freedom, and are skilled in such professions as truck driver, heavy equipment operator, food service, first aid, and above all else, infantry. A majority of new recruits have prior military service, and nearly all of the non-commissioned officers and officer candidates do as well.

  • Nearly 1,000 recruits are recruited in order to produce an active battalion of 757 soldiers.

  • The first battalion graduated on 4 October and is currently based at Kirkuk, and employed by the 4th Infantry Division Mechanized.

  • The second battalion has been employed by the 1st Armored Division, and they’re garrisoned at Taji since their graduation on 6 January, which is also Army Day and celebrated as such since 1921.

  • And we look forward to the graduation this week of the 3rd Battalion and their subsequent deployment to the Mosul area. [ed.: January 24]

  • In addition to the 27 infantry battalions in the army, we are building the Iraqi Coastal Defense Force and the Iraqi Army Air Corps. The Coastal Defense Force will be comprised of a patrol boat squadron of five 30-meter boats and a naval infantry regiment. The naval infantry is currently training with the Iraqi army for basic skills. This coastal defense force will then move down to the Umm Qasr/Basra area for boat training and where they will learn interdiction and boarding operations in order to protect the some 80 kilometers of Iraqi coastline.

  • The Iraqi Army Air Corps will focus primarily on troop and logistics movements as well as air medevac for life-threatening and casualty-producing situations. We are currently training both helicopter and transport pilots, and we will field the first operational squadrons this summer. We’re also investigating the use of reconnaissance aircraft in order to effectively monitor the miles of Iraqi border, and infrastructure such as pipelines and electrical transmission facilities.

  • We’re running about 60 percent with prior military service. What does "prior military service" mean? If you’re a private in the old army, not a whole lot from what we’re seeing. The Iraqi officer corps of the old army is a pretty good officer corps in a lot of respects, certainly from the perspective of military training. The non-commissioned officer corps we find deficient, and the soldiers and the training they received we found deficient. So if you say "prior service," it may mean that they know how to march and carry a rifle and employ it, but we have not had terrific results of the former army training base at the young soldier level.

    With respect to the officers, the military skill set of the officers, we are finding their education and their ability to learn is very high. And given initial poor experience with those above the rank of major, we have found that focusing on the younger officers, the lieutenants and captains, that these men are well educated, they’re talented, they are focused on the future of this country, and we have had very high success.

  • The trainers that we have right now are a mix of the Vinnell contract, which is a subsidiary of Northrop Grumman, and they have other contract trainers with them; Vinnell is the umbrella organization; and in fact, talking to the program manager today, a terrific amount of combat experience, of training experience. The average time in service for those men who are working with the Vinnell contract is 19.8 years. And those are the men who started the program because they are the men who could react the fastest. They deployed within 25 days of contract signing into theater to establish a training environment. They provided the structure and the primary instructor and the initial drill sergeant contact. We added to that uniformed men from the coalition. Australia, Great Britain, the United States, and more recently Spain have contributed to that environment.

    Finally, after the graduation of the first battalion, Iraqi trainers -- men who -- that we saw high talent in, in training and particularly those who were multilingual -- we were able to bring Iraqi officers and non-commissioned officers from the first battalion and integrate them into the training pool for the second and third and fourth battalions. That has been particularly effective. We have also taken a lot of those Iraqi officers, and they have, like Major Ahmed (ph) here, have integrated into our training organization and are, in fact, part of the joint headquarters that will be the higher headquarters for Iraqi armed forces.

    Finally, I alluded to the Jordan Training Initiative. We have the -- a number of officers today training with Jordanian armed forces and will continue to do so into the middle of March.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 9:24:07 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nearly 1,000 recruits are recruited in order to produce an active battalion of 757 soldiers.

Well, overlooking the "recruits are recruited" babble (I mean, what else would you do with them?), the roughly 75% pass rate seems kinda high for this stage of the process.
Posted by: mojo || 01/22/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually, the pass rate is probably a bit low. The standards are quite low. The New Iraqi Army is probably best envisioned as a heavily armed police force -- exactly what is needed right now. The NIA, if it works out in the field, can serve as the kernal of a real army.
Posted by: Highlander || 01/22/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Mojo: They've also had a modest amount of training to begin with, since most of them were in the former Army. They know a little of what to expect and how to do it.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||


Bin Laden’s Iraq attacks backfiring
New York Post EFL
The large number of Muslim deaths caused by al Qaeda terrorist attacks in Iraq has created p.r. problems for Osama bin Laden, who now appears to be having second thoughts about his holy war against coalition forces there, The Post has learned. New articles in al Qaeda’s biweekly Internet magazine Sawt al-Jihad, or "Voice of Jihad," are urging al Qaeda supporters to stay out of Baghdad and concentrate on hitting U.S. military targets in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain, according to terrorist expert Rita Katz, whose SITE Institute monitors al Qaeda propaganda on the Internet. "My instructions to the people of the peninsula [Saudi Arabia], young as old, men as women, is to fight Americans in their homes and the people of Yemen should fight the Americans in their bases, battleships and their consulates," wrote an al Qaeda propagandist named Muhammad bin al-Salim in an article titled "Do Not Go To Iraq." Katz and government counter-terror experts believe al Qaeda’s campaign inside Iraq has backfired politically on bin Laden and there is growing evidence that the fanatic legion of "foreign fighters" may no longer be welcome in most quarters of Iraq.
The Brothers Judd (from whence the link came) headlined this item: THEY CAME, THEY BLEW THEMSELVES UP, THEY LOST. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Posted by: Mike || 01/22/2004 8:49:27 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Bin Laden’s Iraq attacks backfiring
Shhhhh, don't tell them.

Oops, you mean they figured it out for themselves? Darn.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#2  While OBL still sells a lot of T-shirts, you might wonder just how much credibility he or his remains have at this point. E.g, if Boy Assad has a Ouija board I wonder what he's telling OBL about the 911 attacks.

"Yo, Osama! Bashir here. Remember about people backing the strong horse and all that? Well, I'm looking down the barrel of an Abrams tank right now, and I gotta tell you it looks pretty strong to me. Next time, we send the Murcans a strong note of protest, okay?"
Posted by: Matt || 01/22/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#3  "My instructions to the people of the peninsula [Saudi Arabia], young as old, men as women, is to fight Americans in their homes and the people of Yemen should fight the Americans in their bases, battleships and their consulates," wrote an al Qaeda propagandist named Muhammad bin al-Salim in an article titled "Do Not Go To Iraq.

Go ahead boys, approach our bases and battleships. If y'all are lookin' to commit suicide, I can't think of a better way to do it.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 13:30 Comments || Top||


Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman says Iraqi WMD may be in Syria
U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Pat Roberts said there was some concern Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had gone to Syria, and Washington vowed to carry on searching for such arms in Iraq. Roberts, a leading member of President Bush’s Republican Party, said in Washington on Wednesday: "I think that there is some concern that shipments of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) went to Syria." He did not elaborate.
"I can elaborate no more!"
Syria, which borders Iraq, has in the past denied U.S. charges it has weapons of mass destruction programs and supports "terrorist activity."
"Who? Us? Pshaw!"
Bush, seeking re-election in November with Iraq high on the campaign agenda, ordered U.S.-led forces to oust Saddam Hussein after accusing him of possessing chemical and biological arms and trying to build a nuclear weapon. "The jury is still out," Vice President Dick Cheney said on the failure so far to find any weapons of mass destruction since Saddam was toppled last April. "It’s going to take some additional considerable period of time to look at all of the cubby holes and... dumps and all the places in Iraq where you might expect to find something like that," Cheney told U.S. National Public Radio.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 12:32:46 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Roberts, a leading member of President Bush’s Republican Party

rofl, yeah, no shit, find that hard to believe

He did not elaborate.

translation: don't have any evidence but mud sticks after a while

"The jury is still out," Vice President Dick Cheney said on the failure so far to find any weapons of mass destruction since Saddam was toppled last April.

when is the jury coming in? I'm getting bored waiting.

Q. which country/ies in the middle east has/have not signed the 1972 biological weapons treaty (not that it really means that much anyway)?
Posted by: Igs || 01/22/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I said as much quite a while back- During the whining by the UN, Saddam was able to get the lot of it across to Syria.

That reporter in the UK even called the specific locations for the WMD warheads, and the delivery systems.

As for you igs, troll boy, tired of waiting? Go do something about it - join the Army and go over there and helpaout. And remember - the people saying "They Have the weapons" were Clinton and Gore - Bush is merely following up on what the prior President already stated as fact. Get that into your pointly little republican bashing biased head.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/22/2004 1:51 Comments || Top||

#3  rofl, republican or democrat I couldn't really give a toss who said what, they're just as bad as each other

as to the specific locations, give me a break, you just need to believe this to justify your own existence, the US Government had specific locations of wmds in Iraq before the war as I recall, if their intelligence was up shit creek then, somehow I'm not going to believe some pathetic little journalist who went on holiday to syria

as to whether iraq had wmds before the war, yeah, I'll admit it, I was convinced that it did, as to whether syria has them, I'm sure they do. Rather than than coming up with excuses for not finding them, perhaps it's time to admit that there weren't any there at the time of invasion, and don't give me this weapons program crap instead, that's not what the US admin said, it specifically referred to existing weapons, I can download some info from the net and have my own wmd program. Syria and Iran are a different ball game, they'll implode on their own eventually.
Posted by: Igs || 01/22/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Heh, heh, where's waldo? Bush is predictable and he's made it clear that Syria is next. Even the trolls, living their lives under bridges and rocks, can see that. Let's hope that Assad pulls a Mommar and saves everyone lots of trouble.
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 5:59 Comments || Top||

#5  and don't give me this weapons program crap instead, that's not what the US admin said

Yes, it is. Stop lying.

And learn how to use the shift key.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 7:00 Comments || Top||

#6  They don't teach the shift until the Third Grade

Dorf
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 8:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Doesn't matter if WMD exist or ever existed. After Gulf War I, Saddam agreed to publicly disarm in exchange for keeping his goddam country. He didn't (for 12 years) - so he lost his country. End of fucking story.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 9:11 Comments || Top||

#8  Why hasn't Israel signed nucelar non-proliferation treaty ? No one seems to want to go after them with regards to WMD's.

I got a feeling Saadam and Sharon made a deal and he shipped all his WMD to Israel. So now they have even more WMD's.
Posted by: LongLiveIsrael || 01/22/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||

#9  Israel has offered to negotiate a regional nuclear disarmament treaty with all its neighbors. Unfortunately several of its neighbors wont meet with Israel on anything, since they oppose its very existence. Until they do Israel will not disarm unilaterally.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#10  I posted this 1/8/04:

Syrian journalist reports Iraq’s WMD located in three Syrian sites.
Nizar Najoef, a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq’s WMD are kept. The storage places are:

1. Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels.

2. The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian airforce camp. Vital parts of Iraq’s WMD are stored there.

3. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of the city Homs.

Najoef writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein’s Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad’s cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.


Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 01/22/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#11  I have trouble buying this. Saddam did not believe we would invade so its unlikely he would have transfered WMD. Saddam didn't particularly like or trust his fellow Ba'athists in Syria either since Assad's father had allied with fellow Shia in Iran against Iraq.

I don't think the removal of the Assad dictatorship should be muddled with WMD talk. Just warn him what he has to do to stay in power, if he doesn't (a) stop assisting Hezbollah (b) stop assisting all terrorism (c) pull out of Lebanon (d) Allow UN to inspect for weapons a-la Libya. If he doesn't do all of this he gets removed. Period.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#12  My money is still on the Beqaa-Vally, the chinless wonder is not very intelligent, but i cant imagine him being stupid enough to hide that stuff in his own country.
Posted by: chinditz || 01/22/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#13  Chinditz: why can't you imagine him being that stupid? If it's the Bekka Valley, it's still his turf. Six-a-one, half-a-dozen of the other.
Posted by: R. McLeod || 01/22/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thailand Tells Thugs to "Shape up or ship out" (to the Penal battalions)
EFL
Hot-headed students who love to fight should join the military and serve in the troubled deep South, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said yesterday. He made the remark during a meeting with 160 representatives of vocational school students to discuss the problem of rising student violence. He said authorities must turn a crisis into an opportunity by encouraging young people to use their latent force positively and creatively, instead of just watching them grow into criminals. ``Any children wanting to do wrong can come to me. I will change all such wrong deeds into good ones,’’ Mr Thaksin told the gathering at Government House. ``Those making bombs to hurt other people will be sent to work at the army’s Ordnance Department. Those prone to using force will be sent to help with patrol operations in the three southern border provinces. Those who like shooting will be sent for training with the Arintharat [police commando] unit or trained to become national sport marksmen. Those who like fighting will be sent to boxing camps." He also threatened to permanently shut down schools that neglect their duty to help keep young people on the right path.
’Nothing like sending every hoodlum in Thailand down to the south with "licenses to kill". ’Sorta like a home grown "foreign legion" of expendables. Taksin’s dream outcome: The two problem populations attrit one another down to nothing. Not a bad formula!
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 01/22/2004 7:52:48 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Terror Networks
No truth to rumor bin Laden captured
There is no truth to a rumor in the foreign exchange markets that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has been captured, a U.S. official said on Thursday. "It’s not true," the official said when asked about the rumor. U.S. forces have been hunting for bin Laden since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America that were blamed on al Qaeda.
Interesting rumor, wonder where it got started and why?
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 12:57:36 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DNC headquarters, of course!
Posted by: BH || 01/22/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#2  captured on a microscope slide
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 13:04 Comments || Top||

#3  M****cript! I was hoping we'd got him.

BTW, I am praying that he repents.
Posted by: Korora || 01/22/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Scraping whats left of him off of a cave wall isn't the hard part - finding the right cave is.

Posted by: JerseyMike || 01/22/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#5  If he was dead would we still be searching for him on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border? He's stil alive somewhere, probably in poor health, miserable away from his money, and hoping his followers don't see him as weak.
Posted by: Charles || 01/22/2004 15:17 Comments || Top||

#6  If he were captured, how long would we want to keep it quiet ? Seems you could do a lot with him in custody if no one found out.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#7  There is a subliminal message that may help us if we run the latest audio tape backwards and up an octave. Hey, good as any, eh?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#8  I guess I wonder what it would look like if he was captured... would it be announced on CNN breathlessly by a mournful talking head, or would would the "capturing entity" want to play "hide the weeny" for a while until those intel participants who have to still exist in that part of the world could cover up.
Also, who is the unnamed "expert" who can say there is no truth to the rumor?
I have sometimes wondered why someone just didn't announce him as found splattered, and let OBL have the burden of proof that he still breathes. then WHACK A MOLE!
Posted by: Capsu78 || 01/22/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||

#9  To find the origin rumor started, discover first who made a windfall profit due to speculation on the foriegn exchange market. The eldest Rothschild and Joe Kennedy are snikering in hell.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 21:11 Comments || Top||


Home Front
WI Senators override Gov’s CCW veto; Assembly next
Edited for brevity.
The Republican-controlled state Senate today overrode Gov. Jim Doyle’s veto of a bill to repeal Wisconsin’s 130-year-old ban on the carrying of concealed weapons. The vote was 23-10, sending the measure - the most controversial of the biennial session - to the Assembly, which is expected to start its veto override debate Tuesday. Five Democratic senators voted to override the veto; Minority Leader Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, said several of them made their decision just this morning. After the vote, Doyle said he was disappointed that the Senate "had abandoned the men and women of law enforcement." Police groups have been outspoken in their opposition to concealed weapons, citing the secrecy provision that would surround who gets a concealed carry permit. "The fact of the matter is, the NRA won today," Sen. Bob Jauch, D-Poplar, told reporters after the vote. The National Rifle Association lobbyist had a different view. "The people of Wisconsin won today. It’s not just the NRA. It’s 100,000 Wisconsin citizens," said Darren LaSorte.
Now it’s up to the Assembly! I am ecstatic to see so many states roll back legislation recently that trampled all over the Second Amendment. It’s great to see the people reclaim their rights!
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 10:42:07 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does that make it 36 concealed-carry states?
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 01/22/2004 23:58 Comments || Top||

#2  I think so--including MO and OH, it appears it could be 36 states according to Packing.org's chart.
Posted by: Dar || 01/23/2004 7:46 Comments || Top||


Why the Screamapillar won’t win
Charles Austin has a thought experiment that might prompt a nightmare or two:
Listen to Howard Dean after losing a substantial lead and finishing third in Iowa last night. Now, imagine a President Howard Dean reading to school children when his chief of staff comes up and informs him that two planes have slammed into the World Trade Center towers in an apparent terrorist attack, or perhaps as the beginning of open war against America.
Posted by: Christopher Johnson || 01/22/2004 7:34:33 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


East Asia
ChiComs seek control of oil shipping chokepoints
From Geostrategy-Direct...
China’s government last week disclosed that it has strategic interests over oil supply lines and hinted that it would use force to control the shipping lanes.
So who is is threatening the shipping lanes except pirates (arrr...)?
Zhang Yuncheng, a specialist with the government-run China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, told the PRC-owned Wen Wei Po newspaper that Beijing would face an energy crisis if China’s oil supplies were attacked at sea. Zhang stated that whoever controls the Strait of Malacca and the Indian Ocean could interdict China’s strategic oil transportation route and pose a threat to China’s energy security. An oil tanker blown up in the Strait of Malacca, for example, would close the route for a long period of time, forcing a re-routing of Chinese energy.
So why not band together with other shipping nations to protect the strait?
The newspaper quoted a military expert as saying: "To protect China’s interests on the international shipping route, its naval security forces should be capable in two aspects: One is making quick reactions, including military reaction, when a crisis occurs so as to display the strength for safeguarding the country’s interests. The other is the capability of reciprocal deterrence. This means if you can threaten my international shipping route security, I can also threaten your security in various fields, including your international shipping route security."
Basically a threat directed towards the US. Have we hit a nerve here?
Chinese President Hu Jintao stated recently that China’s "Malacca dilemma" is a key consideration to China’s oil security. Hu reminded a conference of communist leaders that he has expressed concern over the fact that more than half of China’s oil imports come from the Mideast, Africa and Southeast Asia. About four-fifths of the imported oil is shipped through the Malacca Strait.
I can see their concern about their energy sources. However many other nations are in the same boat, so to speak, being dependent upon the Malacca Strait and the Mordor middle eastern sources of crude oil. This whole thing sounds like the PLA-types are rattling their chains again.
Hu stated that "certain powers have all along encroached on and tried to control the navigation route through the strait," a veiled reference to the United States.
Name the instances, this is crap.
"It is essential to take active steps to ensure China’s oil security by working from the level of the new strategic situation in drawing up a new oil energy source development strategy, persisting in giving equal weight to economizing and resource exploitation and to both domestic and foreign resources, establishing a Chinese oil strategic reserve, gradually building foreign oil production and supply bases, and actively developing oil substitutes," Hu said.
Throw away line. Everybody wants to do that. Who is putting their money where their mouth is, Hu?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 5:24:48 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shipping routes have been of interest to the Chicoms for a while now. For instance, a Chinese state-owned company runs the Panama Canal. Thanks, Jimmah!

But seriously, how much capability does the Chinese Navy really have? They are certainly not much of a blue water force. Also, I wonder if this sudden concern has anything to do with India's planned purchase of a Russkie aircraft carrier. Finally, we have heard from Mansoor Ijaz and others that AQ types have been hijacking tankers to learn how to steer them (not how to dock them) and kidnapping scuba experts to learn how to dive (and not necessarily surface). The Malacca Straits would be vulnerable to that type of AQ attack.
Posted by: Tibor || 01/22/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Tibor---That is exactly the big threat. Al-Q or proxy pirates. Al-Q pirates could go after anyone's supertanker. It would be better for all of us to band together than fight among ourselves. However, I think China has other agendas in their world view of things.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#3  They are certainly not much of a blue water force, Tibor

You're most likely correct,Tibor, but I've read that China has purchased surplus ships,including subs, from other blue water navies with the sworn agreement that the ships would be salvaged or converted to non-military uses. But then China turned right around and violated those agreements.

So I GOOGLED on: "order of battle", China, navy. I found that that do have at least a couple of ships than can get beyond 12 miles off shore.

Here's the reference to the Chinese Eastern Sea Fleet...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/esf-orbat.htm
there's more at http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/east-sea.htm
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Tibor,
I would think that the result of the Chinese statements will be an eventual Japanese naval build-up. If China actually planned to follow through with a naval build-up that would threaten the US, they could start now and be ready in 25 years - if they were willing to scrap their economy.
The Panama Canal is unsuitable for super tankers - one of the reasons that there is talk of building a wider canal through Nicaragagua I think. I think the Chinese venture their is intended to gain an economic and intelligence base in the hemisphere. I don't think that holding the canal by force would be miltarily tenable for the Chicoms. They could sabotage the canal, though, ala Nasser.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Holding the straights would be nice for China I guess, but the US Navy can just annihilate any China bound shipping when it leaves the source all over the rest of the world.

So... unless they plan on a world wide navy, they are wasting their time blathering about defending their shipping.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 01/22/2004 19:52 Comments || Top||

#6  China's sub fleet would be sunk in the first hours of any attack and then it's fish in a barrel time - that's one reason tehy're threatening Taiwan with a (self-destructive) missile barrage rather than an amphib/sea invasion, which is what they'd really like to do...
Sounds like we need to screw with their Spratley plans as well, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 20:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Who is putting their money where their mouth is, Hu?

Hu's on first???
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#8  China is going on about the Straits of Malacca as a roundabout way of justifying its grab for the South China Sea. If China could enforce its claim to the South China Sea and all of the islands within that body of water, it wouldn't need a blue water navy to patrol the Straits of Malacca. China could set up a chain of naval bases from the Philippines all the way to Indonesia. This statement has to be causing jitters among the nations all along the South China Sea, not to mention the Northeast Asian countries that depend on that shipping lane, namely Japan, Taiwan and South Korea.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/22/2004 20:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Spirit ceases communications
"Nice shot, Xlbfn!"
NASA’s Spirit rover stopped transmitting data from Mars for more than 24 hours, mission managers said Thursday, calling it an "extremely serious anomaly."
I think it's busted...

[snipped/duplicate post]
Posted by: Korora || 01/22/2004 4:55:41 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ok... get the jumpers. I swear if the beagle is anywhere near this.....
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I think it's busted...

We know about Fred's, and Steve's, and eveyone else's suprise meter...
Posted by: Raj || 01/22/2004 22:39 Comments || Top||


’CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS’
An anti-abortion activist, calling for a new wave of violence against clinics and doctors, is following the example of violent Islamic fundamentalists, telling those who share his views to become "Christian terrorists" and promising them a reward in Heaven.
Who gave him the rewards to hand out?
"As cream rising to the top of the milk, so the Christian terrorist rises above the huddled masses of churchgoers and the many voices which denounce their violent attempts to defend the innocent from they’re [sic] murderous assailants," Chuck Spingola wrote in a posting on the Army of God Web site. "Regarding abortion the separation is clear. The CT [Christian terrorist] has the Word of God and a testimony of loving, albeit terrifying [to the wicked], actions," he said.
Torquemada had the same schtick...
Spingola declined to discuss the statement with ABCNEWS.com without stipulations, but said he stood by the posting. There is some question among academics and others who follow extremist movements in the United States about how seriously to take the rhetoric, particularly because none believe that such views are shared by more than, at most, a few hundred people...
All it takes is one or two nutbags. Shut down the website, jug Spingola...
Posted by: LongLiveIsrael || 01/22/2004 4:14:39 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This guy does not speak for most of the pro-life movement.
Posted by: Korora || 01/22/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Being a Baptist and Pro-Life I would volunteer to execute this guy in a firing squad if he actually does something.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#3  5 min. after he said he should have been arrested:incitement to violence
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#4  and needless to say the above probably troll probably has no particular connection to Israel.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#5  "As cream rising to the top of the milk, so the Christian terrorist rises above the huddled masses of churchgoers
Good Gracious!
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:50 Comments || Top||

#6  As a pro-life, conservative Christian, I say round the guy up for terrorism right now. And if he motivates somebody to kill somebody, try him as an accessory to homicide and put him away for a very long time.
Posted by: Christopher Johnson || 01/22/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#7  As a practicing Catholic I think an appropriate message needs to be sent to this guy. So, I would like to quote the esteemed Frank Martin from yesterday's Rantburg Gwenyth Paltrow lovefest quoting Jack Nickloson: " Go sell your crazy somewhere else, were all full up here"

I suggest Chuck contact the nearest Iman and apply for admittance. They are always short of recruits. Often they'll provide you with a full scholarship that will allow you to study in Yemen, Somalia or Pakistan.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Leave it to ABC to find the one lone, Christian, nutcase, anti-abortion "terrorist."
Grupedenke like theirs is what helped the government bury any AlQueda/IslamoFascist/Saddam-sponsored involvement with the OKC bombing, among other attacks on domestic soil--they're so convinced that the "enemy" is "us," meaning the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, of whom they see this whacko as the spokesman.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 01/22/2004 20:22 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
The Chechen Connection
Below are just some of the overlaps between Chechen-Arabs who fought (or sought to fight) in Chechnya and Al Qaeda which are credible:
--1995. Sudanese Al Qaeda defector Jamal al Fadl testifies that Osam bin Laden offered $1,500 per person (to be used for the purchase of Kalishnikov rifle and travel expenses) for jihad volunteers willing to travel to Chechnya to assist the Chechens in their struggle against the Russian ’infidels.’

--December 1996. Ayman al Zawahiri, leader of Egyptian Islamic Jihad and member of Al Qaeda’s ruling troika, travels to Dagestan in search of a new base of operations for his organization in response to its expulsion from Sudan. Zawahiri’s plans are foiled by Russian security services which arrest him and hold him in jail for several months.

--1999-2000. The US government claims that prior to 9/11, the Islamic Benevolence Foundation (a US-based charity that sent $700,000 to the Chechens) and Al Haramein (an international charity based in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia which channeled funds to Khattab’s aide, Abu Duba, via its offices in Baku, Azerbaijan) also siphoned money to Al Qaeda. Another charity known to have sponsored the Chechen resistance was the Kifah refugee center which had close links to the Al Qaeda bombers in the 1993 WTC attack.

--September 2001. Ahmed al-Ghamidi, a Saudi jihadi who fought in Chechnya after studying engineering in Mecca, is one of the hijackers of United Airlines flight 175 which hit the south WTC tower. Another 9/11 hijacker on the flight that crashed into the Pentagon (Nawaq al Hamzi) also fought in Chechnya. Ahmed al-Haznawi, a hijacker on United Ailines flight 93 which crashed in Pennsylvania on September 11 is reported to have left his home in the al Baha region of Saudi Arabia in 2000 telling friends he was going to train in an Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan for jihad in Chechnya.

--September 2001. Several minutes after the September 11th attack on the USA, American intelligence registers a mobile phone call from Afghanistan to the Pankisi Gorge, an inaccessible valley in Georgia that was known as the home
base for ’Chechen-Arabs’ who trained new recruits for jihad in neighboring Chechnya.

--September 2001. Mounir El Motassadeq, a member of the 9/11 Al Qaeda support network arrested in Germany, claims that Mohammad Atta, the mission leader for the attack, "really wanted to got to Chechnya to fight because of the massacre the Russians were committing there."

--August 2002. Sweeps of the Chechen-inhabited Pankisi Gorge in Georgia by American-trained Georgian forces nab one Saif al-Islam al-Masry, a member of Al Qaeda’s shura (council) and disrupt a plot by Arab jihadis training there to bomb or use improvised chemical weapons against Western (not Russian) targets in Russia and Central Asia. Interpol and Western intelligence agencies also believe that Abu Khabab (Al Qaeda’s ’mad scientist’ seen experimenting with poison gases in an Al Qaeda video seized by coalition forces in Afghanistan) transferred his operations to the Pankisi after the destruction of the Taliban.

--January 2003. British authorities arrest six North African Arabs in London accusing them of attempting to produce ricin poison in their flat. Several of those arrested are later found to have trained in the Pankisi Gorge camps with the aim of eventually fighting jihad with the Chechen-Arabs in Chechnya.

--May 2003. The Saudi mastermind of the Al Qaeda bombings in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (which galvanized the Saudis to move against domestic Al Qaeda influence) is found to have fought in Chechnya before later traveling to Afghanistan to fight the USA and coalition forces at Tora Bora.

--November 2003. Turkish authorities claim that a deadly wave of bombings in Istanbul of British and Jewish targets were carried out by domestic militants belonging to the Islamic Great Eastern Raiders Front who were trained by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Several of this group’s members previously fought jihad in Chechnya.

--November 2003. Yemeni authorities arrest Mohammed Hamdi al-Ahdal, a 32-year old Saudi citizen responsible for the bombing of the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen in 2000. Al Ahdal, one of the top 20 Al Qaeda leaders, previously fought in Chechnya, where he lost a leg (currently he has a prosthetic leg).
As this sampling of evidence of ’Chechen-Arab’ involvement in Al Qaeda terrorism clearly indicates, the FBI and other Western intelligence agencies should focus their investigations on the ’Chechen-Arab’ alumni of the ’jihad’ in the Caucasus.The author has found many further such examples of Chechen-Arab involvement in Al Qaeda terrorism and this group of fighters, like the Afghan-Arabs before them, represent a clear and present danger to US and Western interests.
So says Dr. Brian Glyn Williams, assistant professor of Islamic History at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth.
Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 4:01:27 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  An Islamic studies prof doing something useful? Wowza! Guess the surprise meter still does work!
Posted by: Nero || 01/22/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||


Korea
North Korea accuses Japan of planning nuclear attack. Really.
North Korea on Wednesday attacked Japan’s moves to build up its missile defence system as part of a planned nuclear strike against Pyongyang.
That statement makes no sense.
The official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said “Japan is now rounding off its nuclear weaponisation at its final phase” and was capable of producing “thousands of nuclear warheads” overnight. This can not be construed (as anything other) than part of its plan to mount a preemptive nuclear attack on the DPRK.”
I've no doubt Japan has the technological wherewithal to produce nuclear weapons if it wanted to, and perhaps even "overnight." There's not the slighest indication that they plan on doing so, and every indication they aren't.
Japan last month decided to adopt ballistic missile defence (BMD) systems to protect itself from emerging terrorist threats, weapons of mass destruction and North Korean missiles. Japan will introduce a US-developed system for now and continue to conduct joint research with the United States to improve its missile defences, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda said in a statement.
To me, that sounds like an eminently logical thing to do, especially for a country whose neighbors like to shoot missiles over its territory...
Japanese “reactionaries” are making much ado about the “fictitious” nuclear and missile threats from North Korea in a bid to justify their moves for nuclear weaponisation, KCNA added. In reply, the communist state would build a “strong nuclear deterrence” to cope with threats from the United States and Japan.
The missile threat from NKor is "fictitous," even though they said they were developing nuclear weapons and were going to present us with a sea of fire. So NKor should therefore develop a non-fictitious nuclear threat... My head is aching.
North Korea fired a suspected ballistic missile over Japan and into the Pacific in 1998, prompting Tokyo to launch joint research with the United States to develop missile defence systems the following year.
"Lookitdat, Kazuo!"
"Dang! What is it?"
"I suspect it's a ballistic missile."
"Holmes! How do you do it?"
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 01/22/2004 15:31 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  North Korea on Wednesday attacked Japan’s moves to build up its missile defence system as part of a planned nuclear strike against Pyongyang.

This is the same line of "reasoning" that has been used by opponents of ballistic missile defenses here in the US.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#2  The NORKS threatened "sea of fire," nuclear weapons production, etc etc. and the world yawned. The Norks blew a missile over Japan and woke up the sleeping samurai. Now the Norks are trying to transfer the attention to Japan's defensive missile system buildup. Everyone is still yawning. We are cutting off the Nork means of WMD foreign exchange. Now all we have to do is to deal with the enablers (PRC and SKor) who are propping this piece of inhumane s--t regime up. That is the real issue here in solving the Nork problem.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 20:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, but the Norkies have the big edge in Super Rock Technology. They can probably "produce thousands of them overnight".
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/22/2004 21:32 Comments || Top||


Latin America
A Calypso collectionVenezuela’s Envoy: Rebel Talks Distorted(Newsday)
EFL
Venezuela’s foreign minister on Tuesday blamed the media for distorting comments by Colombia’s former foreign minister regarding President Hugo Chavez’s alleged ties with Colombian rebels. Roy Chaderton said the local media twisted Guillermo de Soto’s statements regarding a conversation between Chavez and former Colombian President Andres Pastrana, when Chavez allegedly spoke of a request for arms he received — and refused — from Colombia’s largest rebel group. "It’s a set up," Chaderton told a press conference. Chaderton said it was "an accusation coming from opposition and media madness in Venezuela."
Maybe Chavez lent his speech writer to Howard Dean for the weekend. Castro might have arranged it.
In the ongoing saga of As the Carribean Turns, Chavez just appointed his brother to be his bagman Ambassador to his bearded mentor. Also all this regime change talk is making the Cuban Ambassador nervous in Washington. While Reporters Without Borders continues to stir the pot in Europe - don’t they know he is a leftist? Finally Chavez did his best to annoy Bush at the latest summit. What a surprise.
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Iran
IAEA Warns Iran
Well, not really a warning. EFL:
The U.N.’s nuclear watchdog told Iran Thursday it faced "serious consequences" unless it cooperated with a probe of its atomic program, which Washington suspects is aimed at building a bomb. "They (the Iranians) know it’s very important for the agency to come to a conclusion that the Iran program is for peaceful purposes," International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei told reporters in Davos, Switzerland at the World Economic Forum.
Interesting choice of words, sounds like he’s concerned more about what his report says than what the Iranian program is.
Despite Iran’s pledge last year to halt all uranium enrichment activity, Western diplomats say they are increasingly concerned that it has continued to acquire centrifuge equipment. "It would obviously have serious implications if they do not continue to cooperate fully with us in investigating the scope, nature, and content of that program," ElBaradei told reporters in Davos.
"PLEASE, don’t make me write a bad report. You know what happens if I write a bad report. I have to go to New York, and do you know how cold it is there this time of year?"
ElBaradei has previously warned that Iran would be reported to the U.N. Security Council if it did not cooperate with the Vienna-based nuclear agency.
Yeah, that’ll do it. Thanks, El.
Amid worries in the West that Iran may be backsliding on its promises to suspend some of its nuclear activities, he said Iran still owed the IAEA some explanations. "I wouldn’t say they (Iraq/N. Korea/ Iran) are not living up to their obligations, but I think that there are issues they still need to clarify," ElBaradei said separately in a BBC TV interview.
Sounds like the same speech he gave about Iraq, doesn’t it?
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 2:15:41 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ElBaradei wouldn't know "serious implications" if he tripped over them. Rejoice, Persians, your oppressors are pursuing regime change the Saddam way: Bush in 2004; Tehran in 2005.
Posted by: Tom || 01/22/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#2  The U.N.’s nuclear watchdog told Iran Thursday it faced "serious consequences" unless it cooperated with a probe of its atomic program, which Washington suspects is aimed at building a bomb.

Dear God, not that again. So let's see, it's 2004 now, so will it be 2016 before any action is taken?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, my...surely not the dreaded Frowny Face™!
Posted by: seafarious || 01/22/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes. It's the Frowny Face of Doom™...
Posted by: Fred || 01/22/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#5  This is what you get from an organization that is more concerned with protecting the soverignty of the undeserving than dealing with real problems.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Israeli bus system designed to stop suicide bombers
A system intended to protect buses from palisplodians suicide bombers will be installed in the coming three weeks on a number of buses to check the applicability of the system. Within a number of months, the system will be installed on many buses across the country.
Officials expect world condemnation for this blatant infringement of the basic human right to blow Israelis up.
The new system, which was developed by Israeli Military Industries and the Transportation Ministry, allows the driver to block anyone he deems suspicious from entering the bus by hitting a red button which closes a turnstile. Electronic gates will be installed at rear entrances, which have been used by bombers to sneak on without the driver knowing. A sheet of armor is also mounted on the front of the bus below the window to block shrapnel if a bomber detonates right outside. The system still depends on the driver being able to see through the would-be bomber’s disguise, but later versions will be built using electronic explosives detectors that trigger an alarm and let the driver shut the door. "Public transportation has been a preferred target of terrorists," said Transportation Minister Avigdor Lieberman at the Ramat Hasharon headquarters of IMI. "Now we have developed the technology to confront this problem."
Posted by: PlanetDan || 01/22/2004 2:15:43 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Officials expect world condemnation for this blatant infringement of the basic human right to blow Israelis up.

I'm sure this has Amnesty International's panties are all in a knot about this!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/22/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#2  how sad we are reduced to this.
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#3  B--Agreed. When the 21st century encounters the 10th, it's bound to get ugly. I hope it doesn't get to the point you have to screen bus passengers like airplane passengers, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet.
Posted by: Dar || 01/22/2004 23:02 Comments || Top||


Korea
Amnesty International Press Release - takes good facts right but draws wrong conclusion
EFL
In a new report, Amnesty International argues that the North Korean government should ensure that food shortages are not used as a tool to persecute perceived political opponents and that humanitarian organizations, in particular UN agencies, have free and unimpeded access to all parts of North Korea. "Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of acute food shortages caused by a series of natural disasters, the loss of support from the former Soviet Union and economic mismanagement. Several million children suffer from chronic malnutrition, impairing their physical and mental development," Amnesty International emphasized.

Government policies are at least partly to blame. The government appears to have distributed food unevenly, favouring those who are economically active and politically loyal. Government restrictions on freedom of movement prevents North Koreans searching for food or moving to an area where food supplies are better, as they face punishment including detention if they leave their towns or villages without permission. They also hamper the movement, access and monitoring of international humanitarian agencies who have been involved in distributing food aid. This has contributed to donor fatigue and a fall in food aid commitments. "The right to food is a basic human right, and the government of North Korea appears to be failing in its duties to respect, protect and fulfil this right", Amnesty said... Some North Koreans have been publicly executed because they have stolen food or goods to survive - school children have reportedly been taken to see the executions.
Now there’s a field trip.
Efforts by the international community to assist in the provision of food to North Korea have been undermined by the government’s refusal to allow swift and equitable distribution of this food, and by the restrictions on freedom of information. "Notwithstanding the obstacles to providing assistance, foreign states able to help must also provide the necessary food aid, to enable the North Korea government to fulfil its obligations to respect, protect and fulfil the right to food", Amnesty said.
Rather than food let me provide some advice to them - transfer some of your defence budget to buy food. That ought to do it.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 1:43:18 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As much as I dont want anyone to starve. Giving food to Kimmie-boy-the-baby-killer so he can reward those who are politically loyal (and punish those who do not) is not going to solve the problem -- people will still starve, the politically fit will only get fatter.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/22/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Well said, Super Hose. Why do we have to buy 'em food when Dear Leader has money to burn on plutonium processing and missile building. If Amnesty wants to donate the Amnesty budget, that's okay too!
Posted by: Tom || 01/22/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#3  "Notwithstanding the obstacles to providing assistance, foreign states able to help must also provide the necessary food aid, to enable the North Korea government to fulfil its obligations to respect, protect and fulfil the right to food", Amnesty said.

Who says? Without any certainty that aid will indeed get to the people that need it, why should anyone have to send aid? It's always easy for orgs like Amnesty International to demand that aid be sent because more often than not, it's not their money that is being spent or wasted.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Was anyone else annoyed when the United Way came out with it's "Fair Share" campaign?
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 21:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Marvin Strikes Again
NASA’s Spirit rover stopped transmitting data from Mars for more than 24 hours, mission managers said Thursday, calling it an "extremely serious anomaly."
NASA speak for "Shit!!"
"Zjplinx! Get out from in front of that transmitter! You'll catch cancer of the palps!"
NASA last heard from Spirit early Wednesday. Since then, it has returned just random, meaningless radio noise — and only then sporadically, scientists said.
Sure you aren’t tuned to Al Franken’s radio show?
Initially, the scientists said they believed weather problems on Earth caused the glitch. They now said they believe the rover was experiencing hardware or software problems. "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," project manager Pete Theisinger said.
NASA speak for "There goes next years budget"
Spirit is one half of a $820 million mission. Its twin, Opportunity, is scheduled to land on Mars on Saturday.
They’re worried it might have the same problem if it turns out to be a design flaw.
NASA last heard from Spirit as it prepared to continue its work examining its first rock, just a few yards from its lander.
It was Marvin The Martians favorite rock. He’s very protective, you know.
Since then, Spirit has transmitted just a few beeps to Earth in response to attempts to communicate with it. It has also skipped several scheduled communications opportunities, either directly with Earth or by way of two NASA satellites in orbit around Mars. Engineers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory worked to pinpoint the yet-unknown problem. "It’s not clear there is one cause ... that would explain the observables we’re seeing," deputy project manager Richard Cook said.
NASA speak for "We don’t f#&*$%@*g know what happened."
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 1:40:45 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, they finally found the one that got through their orbital defenses. Damn.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Spirit is one half of a $820 million mission.

So, does that mean these putzes pissed away $410 mil, or is 'Opportunity' going to be the BIG disaster?

NASA needs some serious house-cleaning.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/22/2004 14:04 Comments || Top||

#3  How long till Al-Qaeda releases audio claiming responsibility?
Posted by: Proud To Be An Infidel || 01/22/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#4  The blue screen of death. I know it well. Curse you, Bill Gates!
Posted by: Tom || 01/22/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Spirit! Opportunity! Now, if a third rover was named "Liberation", then NASA would be .... nah!
Posted by: Highlander || 01/22/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, at least we did better than the Europeans. This could also be just some magnetic interference from Mars. Probably the magnetic problem since it's still transmitting, even though it's static.

In other words, Spirit is under Marvins powerline.
Posted by: Charles || 01/22/2004 15:12 Comments || Top||

#7  #4 - I heard it was in fact WindRiver's OS running on the rover. "I can say no more."

Posted by: eLarson || 01/22/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#8  Wait for morning reboot.

Else power on and off.

If you got'em pray'em
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:01 Comments || Top||

#9  You bastards! Making ha ha with the OS. Moooruunns. We are waiting for the Beagle and the European probe to make it's first move. We have spaced out the ring. We will buzz like butterfly and sting like a Dean. AAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHH!
Posted by: Ali Viking ! || 01/22/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#10  4thInfVet, cut em some slack. They're are the only people on earth who've actually managed to land a probe on another planet. If there was actually some other group or country who consistently pulled off something like this then I would say NASA's got problems. As it is now how could you possibly say they don't know what they're doing or need a "house cleaning"... there's noone in the world who does it better.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 01/22/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#11  Good Heavens I didn't realize I was so involved in the Dean/Martian Campaign.

Posted by: Al Gripe || 01/22/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#12  I'm going to remount my Meade as an early mourning sign. POOT.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 18:22 Comments || Top||

#13  Awright awright awright, slack cut. I'd just sure like to see something that NASA did actually work as advertised. Maybe they need to use more duct tape.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/22/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#14  Doggies. It musta bin them dang Martian sab-o-toors what done it.



Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 20:27 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Egyptian Satire Taps the Feelings of the Arab Street
EFL from LA Times - this almost reads like an example of free expression in an Arab country. Must just be a bad translation.
Cairo: "Mama America" first opened here in 1991, running for five years and touring the Arab world before closing. But in the fall, as time seemed to have doubled on itself with another Palestinian intifada, another U.S. invasion of Iraq and anti-Americanism coursing through the region once again, Sobhi brought his play back to Cairo. This time, the finale, in which U.S. policemen round up baffled Arab tourists after a massive terror attack in New York, no longer seems a flight of fancy. "In 1991, blowing up the Statue of Liberty was a symbolic gesture," Sobhi said. "But I could see it then — after the destruction of communism, the next threat would be Islam."
You were probably OK until you attacked NY for the 2nd time.
Egyptian playwright Mohammed Sobhi has wrought this anthropomorphic world in his newly revived satire, "Mama America." The play is a sensation, packing in the weary workers of Cairo even now, when the economy is so rotten that many people couldn’t afford to buy meat for Ramadan feasts. Still, they fill the darkness, babies in their laps, and turn their faces upward to soak up the parody. This is how the world looks from a drafty playhouse in the downtown caverns of this capital: America is a simpering, conniving matron in silly hats. Israel is her cousin, lurking maliciously around the edges of the action. Arabs are a fractious and dysfunctional clan, sickly, spaced out and self-involved.
Pretty subtle
Then there’s the sorry spectacle of Egypt, a heavy-hearted man torn between his bickering brethren and the possibility of salvaging his family’s ancestral lands by marrying America. He also drew international headlines and the ire of Israel and the United States with a soap opera he produced last year, "Horseman Without a Horse." The show alluded to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," a notorious anti-Semitic tract. Egyptians criticized the program, too, but for different reasons. Many complained that it made for dull television...

Sobhi’s Egypt marries Mama America, believing he can get the better of her. Instead, he is cooped up in her mansion and drugged into a stupor. Bit by bit, he forgets who he is. Sobhi’s script exclaims to America, "Your crimes are too obvious now, and we won’t be quiet. To hell with the day I didn’t listen to my father and followed you."
I guess you can take or leave our $2B - I’d just as soon see the cash put to constructive use someplace else.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 1:32:06 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sobhi’s Egypt marries Mama America, believing he can get the better of her. Instead, he is cooped up in her mansion and drugged into a stupor. Bit by bit, he forgets who he is.

So there's a happy ending?
Posted by: Proud To Be An Infidel || 01/22/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Sobhi’s Egypt marries Mama America, believing he can get the better of her

This really is an accurate portrayal of the arab mind -- fantasies of superiority. Yet, even in fiction, "Egypt" doesn't get the better of her, yet blames "America" for it. "Art" (if that's what it is) resembles life.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 01/22/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Egypt, Mamma "Bobbit" America should cut off your... allowance.
Posted by: Tom || 01/22/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||


Iran
Reformists attacked in western Iran
Around 200 Iranian "hardliners" raided a meeting of reformists protesting against the rejection of pro-reform election candidates and "beat up" several speakers, the official IRNA news agency reported Thursday. Members of the Hizbullah movement reportedly burst into the meeting at Hamedan in western Iran late Wednesday as speakers attacked the decision of the Guardians Council to exclude hundreds of reformists from standing in the February 20 parliamentary elections. "Following the speeches of ’Bonyad Shahmoradi’ and ’Hadi Ehtezazi’ two invalidated candidates of the National-Religious Movement, it was my turn to speak. But suddenly a group of the participants started chanting slogans such as ’hypocrites have no place in the parliament’".
Sounds like supporters of Mullah al-Dean.
According to IRNA, the assailants injured a number of speakers, including student leader Said Razavi Fagih, reformist MP Hossein Loghmanian and Hossein Mojahed, head of the local branch of the main pro-reform party, the Islamic Iran Participation Front.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 12:49:15 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hezbollah: Making sure you STAY under the mullahs' thumbs.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||


East Asia
Japanese leader under fire over troops for Iraq
EFL
Japan’s main opposition leader yesterday called for the prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, to resign during a heated parliamentary debate on the deployment of Japanese ground troops to Iraq. Naoto Kan, leader of the Democratic Party,
"Kaaaaaaaan!"
said sending troops to a war zone, even on a supposedly peaceful mission, violated Japan’s constitution, which renounces use of force to settle international disputes.
Dispute's settled. We're cleaning up now.
The ruling Liberal Democratic Party’s coalition partner, the Buddhist-backed New Komeito, will meet next Monday to discuss the troop dispatch. Despite opposition to the deployment among New Komeito MPs, the party leader, Takenori Kanzaki, is expected to signal approval at a meeting with Mr Koizumi later that day. Mr Koizumi replied that troops would carry out their humanitarian mission only in "safe" areas. But he added that they would be entitled to use weapons if attacked by rebels.
It's kind of a Japanese tradition...
The debate descended into a slanging match as opposition MPs accused the prime minister of dodging questions and refused to end the session.
Slanging match in the Japanese parliment - who’d have thunk it.
Divisions over Japan’s support for the US-led war in Iraq have deepened since an advance unit of about 30 ground troops arrived in Samawah, in Iraq’s south-east, on Monday.
Embed the journalists or your population will not rally to your cause. That may be one of the bigger reasons that HW Bush’s approval rating evaporated so quickly.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 11:55:26 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!
Posted by: Highlander || 01/22/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#2  carry out their humanitarian mission only in "safe" areas. But he added that they would be entitled to use weapons if attacked by rebels.
LOL! I expect Japan's troops to be circumspect.. but don't kid yourself....It could turn out that a Japanese soldat might define a safe area as anywhere he wants to go and an attack as not looking at the ground when he walks by.
One Life For The Parliment.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#3  And how will the headline
JAPANESE TROOPS SECURE OIL PIPELINE WITH US BACKING.
Play in Pretoria?
I like it. Now.. let's go find some more
closer to home.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#4  sooo...the brave Samari (sp?) concept is dead?
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#5  B, the Samarai (sp?) concept is dormant. If they would embed their own journalists (preferably the Japanese Fox affiliate,) they could get in a firefight and we would immediately have anotehr strong nation to stand beside us with the UK, Australia and Poland.

The Japanese need to see their lads bravely rushing a bunker and whacking some jihadis. Too many of their generations have been brought up watching films of Godzilla kicking the ass of their defense force. WE NEED THEM WITH US.... Sorry, better take my meds.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 19:31 Comments || Top||

#6  "Kaaaaaaaan!"

Um, Fred, isn't that my line?
Posted by: Raj || 01/22/2004 22:33 Comments || Top||

#7  I wouldn't discount the Samarai/Warrior ethos so lightly.Give it a little time and the Jihadist will find out how mean and viscious the Japanese can be.
Posted by: raptor || 01/23/2004 7:49 Comments || Top||


Home Front
In an AP interview Shoemaker charecterizes the war as "Useful"
EFL
The head of the United States army has said that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have provided a "tremendous focus" for the military. General Peter Schoomaker said in an interview with AP news agency that the wars had allowed the army to instil its soldiers with a "warrior ethos". But the general, who became chief of staff in August, denied warmongering saying the army must be ready to fight.
Why have an army unless it is? Unless you're Belgium...
He also said he doubted recruiting more troops was a solution to army stress. "You aren’t stronger because you have more people," he said, adding that expanding the army was similar to pouring water on sand. Many senior military figures have expressed concern about "overstretch", a problem which has become particularly acute in post-war situations like Iraq which require more troops than combat. But General Schoomaker says the answer could be to expand combat strength by freeing troops from other assignments.

General Schoomaker said the attacks on America in September 2001 and subsequent events had given the US army a rare opportunity to change. "There is a huge silver lining in this cloud," he said. "War is a tremendous focus... Now we have this focusing opportunity, and we have the fact that [terrorists] have actually attacked our homeland, which gives it some oomph." He said it was no use having an army that did nothing but train. "There’s got to be a certain appetite for what the hell we exist for," he said. "I’m not warmongering, the fact is we’re going to be called and really asked to do this stuff."
I think I can explain where Shoemaker and Rumsfeld are headed with the idea of expanding the military from within by reassigning military members to military duties. I received a cash bonus to retire during the 90’s because the military was being downsized. If I had stayed in my next set of orders was to the Safety Center in Norfolk. My job description would have been to check-up on contractors who were providing materials that conformed to DOD safety specifications. There were three other officers assigned to that duty as well as a bunch of civilians. The reason that this activity was not 100% accomplished by civilian personnel was that civilians wouldn’t work through breaks, lunch or stay late without overtime pay. The activities that I would have been assigned would not have improved my capabilities as a warrior by one iota, but it would have taken an act of Congress - quite literally - to alter job descriptions or assign new duties to a civilian employee. Facilitating these type of changes are what I think brought Rumsfeld and Shoemaker out of retirement. It is doubtful that either needs the cashflow.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 11:47:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sorry Fred, this should have been under Homefront.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||


Five siblings may reunite in Afghanistan
With her husband and five children in the military, Terri Lamb said she doesn’t mind when friends mention the movie “Saving Private Ryan” or compare her family to the Sullivan brothers. “To me, it’s a real honor to compare them to a family that sacrificed so much,” Terri said of the five Sullivan brothers who all perished aboard the USS Juneau when a torpedo sank the ship during World War II. “I look at it as if they are true patriots.”

Terri admitted that when her husband Sgt. Maj. Mike Lamb was deployed to Bosnia last year and she heard that her son Spc. Jason Lamb was about to deploy to Afghanistan, she was initially concerned. “That made me just a little bit nervous,” Terri said.

Now her son Spc. Richard Lamb is scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan in the spring with a 25th Infantry Division unit out of Wheeler Army Airfield, Hawaii. Her oldest son Spc. Scott Lamb is now at Fort Polk, La., but he is scheduled to deploy with the 25th Inf. Div. to Afghanistan at the end of the summer.

Her son-in-law, Spc. Jerry Diaz, is already in Afghanistan with the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum, N.Y. And her daughter, Airman Renee Lamb, could possibly deploy to Afghanistan in April, Terri said. Spc. Timothy Lamb with the Indiana National Guard is the only son not yet scheduled to deploy.

But Terri is taking the deployment news in relative stride these days. “I’m very proud of them,” Terri said. “It’s amazing that they’ve all gone this route. They’re doing it for very unselfish reasons.” One of the amazing aspects, Terri said, is that neither she nor her husband encouraged their children to join the military.

“I was very much reluctant to encourage them to join the Army,” said Sgt. Maj. Mike Lamb who serves with the Army Training and Doctrine Command headquarters at Fort Monroe, Va. He’s the top enlisted Soldier in the office of the TRADOC Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Training. “Neither my wife nor I pushed them in any direction. It was their decision,” he said. “I didn’t want them to feel any pressure.”

“I encouraged them to go to college,” said Terri, who works as an academic adviser for St. Leo University. Despite that, four of her children enlisted in 2001, even before Sept. 11, within a period of less than six months. And both parents said they are extremely proud of the decisions their sons and daughter made.

During holiday visits, Terri said it’s easy to gather the family in one room. "We just yell `specialist’ and everybody comes running," she said.

In Terri’s job as a college counselor, she works at the post Education Center at Fort Eustis, Va., where she recommends course direction for Soldiers. She said a number of her clients recently returned injured from Iraq or Afghanistan, and she feels a special tie to all of them. “Any Soldier who comes to my door is part of my family too,” Terri said.

via Sgt. Hook

Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 01/22/2004 11:29:41 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  sounds like a good lady who's raised a strong household - best wishes and safe duty for all her family!
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like my they way my family used to be! Mom, Dad, older brother, Me, wife, and younger brother all were in the Air Force. Lamb family sound like the should be on 20/20 or 60 minutes! At least a good morning America segment. I salute you and yours fro your sacrafice! God Speed!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 01/22/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Slightly OT, but this article points out something that's happening more and more (and has been since 1945, IIRC): Military service is rapidly becoming a "family business". Five of the 22 people who worked for me in Schierstein in 1988 had military parents. I understand the percentage in some branches of the service is close to 20%.

That's a good thing in one respect - these people know from experience what they're getting into. On the other hand, it means a large percentage of the population of the United States is letting a small fraction do all the dirty work that needs to be done to keep this nation free. Families like the Lambs are great, but they shouldn't be asked to carry the entire burden, or even a significant part of it.

I know the problem, I just don't have any reasonable clue as to a solution.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/22/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#4  OP, some homes have a patriotic atmosphere that leads to that type of phenomena. I like the fact that many children and grandchildren of Navy Philipino stewards are now filling the officer corps of the Navy.
This phenom is not new though. Look at Robert E Lee's lineage
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:08 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Saudi Royal Says Abducted in Geneva Over Criticism
An outspoken Saudi prince said on Thursday he was under house arrest in Riyadh after Saudi agents drugged and abducted him from Switzerland because of his criticism of corruption and calls for democracy in the kingdom. Prince Sultan bin Turki bin Abdel-Aziz, a nephew of King Fahd, told Reuters by telephone he was drugged during a meeting in Geneva last June with two government ministers, then found himself in a Riyadh hospital after 10 days in coma. Saudi government officials declined to comment. Saudi analysts say Prince Sultan’s public campaign to curb the powers of the royal family has been a source of deep embarrassment to the kingdom’s rulers. "I was between hospital and my house for the last six months. Now I’m at home, but they (police) are outside," the prince, who has often attacked corruption in Saudi Arabia on Arab satellite channels, said by telephone.

Details of the incident have been posted on the Web Site of a London-based Saudi dissident group, the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia (www.yaislah.org). He said police guards had a month ago allowed him use of a telephone but warned him "not to do anything that would upset them." Prince Sultan said he had had no contact with any government officials about his position since his return. "I can go to my mother’s house or to the mosque, but that’s it. I can’t leave Riyadh or the country," he said. "I was outside the kingdom for over a year, between Germany and Switzerland, talking about politics. I’m not against the regime — I’m part of it, as a nephew of King Fahd — but I’m against corruption and I want a democratic country," he said.

Prince Sultan said he was snatched out of Switzerland after the Minister of Islamic Affairs Saleh al-Sheikh and Minister of State Abdel-Aziz bin Fahd, son of the king, called him to a meeting at a royal residence in Geneva. "One left to the bathroom and the other answered the phone, while five men came in and drugged me," he said, accusing the Swiss authorities of complicity in the incident.
Posted by: tipper || 01/22/2004 11:08:22 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "the Swiss authorities of complicity in the incident"

Why would the Swiss do that?
Posted by: Lucky || 01/22/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Was that a rhetorical question?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Prince Sultan said he had had no contact with any government officials about his position since his return.

That conflicts with my post yesterday that says he is suing the two Saudi ministers mentioned in this posting.

I’m not against the regime — I’m part of it, as a nephew of King Fahd —
Problem is the family probably still remembers that it was one of King Faisal's nephews who assassinated him in 1975.

Another outspoken Saudi silenced. Prognosis from here is that the closed society is gonna stay closed. At least until it bursts wide open.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||


Israeli Troops Kill Palestinian Boy Near Gaza Fence
Israeli soldiers shot dead a 12-year-old Palestinian boy and wounded two other youths Thursday near a fence dividing the Gaza Strip and Israel, Palestinian officials said. The Israeli army said troops fired at the legs of seven people inside the Gaza Strip carrying a ladder toward the fence, wounding two of them. Palestinian officials said the group was bird-hunting, a popular pastime among Gaza youths. "We have reason to believe terrorist groups occasionally send minors to the Gaza boundary fence to test our response, ahead of carrying out attacks," an army spokesman said.

The two wounded youngsters were taken to a hospital in Israel. Palestinian medical officials said the body of Mohsen Ad-Daour, 12, was found later at the scene and that he had been shot in the face. The boy’s family said he had gone with a group of friends to hunt birds at a spot they had visited before. "But this time, he didn’t come back with new birds," Mohsen’s uncle said. Inside the family home in Jabalya refugee camp, the boy’s mother fainted as his body was brought in for a final farewell. Dozens marched in a funeral procession to the local graveyard.

Israel says the electronic fence it has built on the Gaza frontier prevents suicide bombers from reaching its territory, and it enforces "no-go" areas for Palestinians near the barrier. Palestinians say those who innocently stray into the no-go zones near the fence are shot at without warning.
Posted by: LongLiveIsrael || 01/22/2004 10:58:02 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hey Mahmoud, let's go... um, bird hunting! Near the... um, security fence. With... um, those masked Hamas guys carrying M-16s and a ladder!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/22/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Never was much of a bird hunter myself,but it seems to me a ladder is the wrong equipment(unless they are raiding birds nests).Most of the bird hunters I know use a shotgun,and in a historic context nets and archery.
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#3  cause -> effect. Send a boy out to do a man's job (attacking the Jooos) and he dies a man's death. Lying bastards
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 12:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Palestinians say those who innocently stray into the no-go zones near the fence are shot at without warning.

This is another one of those Palestinian lies we've grown to know and love. Signs are posted up about how trespassers will be shot. Palestinians who attempt to cross the fence do it in full knowledge that they could be shot. Why do Israelis fire at these kids? Because the Palestinians deliberately send kids out to test Israeli defenses. If they get through, adult suicide bombers will immediately follow to take advantage of the momentary gap in security. The dozens of Israelis who may be blown up as a result won't get warning shots either from their would-be Palestinian murderers.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/22/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#5  "Mohsen's passing leaves his nine-year-old wife with little means of providing for their 27 children."
Posted by: BH || 01/22/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Does anyone have a line on this popular "pastime". What kind of birds do they hunt? Do they hunt for food or just for fun? Do they actually kill the birds, or just catch them for the fun of it. Are the animal rights groups aware of this "pastime" and what kind of birds are being hunted? What are they using to hunt with? Pistols? Rifles? Slingshots? Peashooters?

Okay, I'll admit that when I was a kid, my friend got a new BB/pellet gun. When the old tin cans were too riddled with holes to be any use anymore, the occasional passing bird or squirrel would do. Other kids did this too, but I'd hardly call it a pastime. Some kids go out with their fathers (or mothers ( if the ladies are so inclined) too hunt for turkey, quail and the such, but I don't think it would be quite accurate to call that a pastime either.

Please, could someone enlighten us on this popular pastime? Maybe the popularity of the pastime is the sharpening of their targeting skills using small mobile targets? Hey, it's just a thought.
Posted by: Dripping Sarcasm || 01/22/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Most of the bird hunters I know use a shotgun,and in a historic context nets and archery.

"Kassam! I see a bird over there on that high fence! When I give the word, I want you to throw the ladder at it!"
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#8  #6 What are they using to hunt with? Pistols? Rifles? Slingshots? Peashooters?

Isn't it obvious they are using pipe bombs?
Posted by: Proud To Be An Infidel || 01/22/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#9  I stand enlightened,BAR
Posted by: raptor || 01/22/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||


Understanding our enemy
This is a picture gallery of Ashura. The annual remembrance day when Shiites mourn the death of Imam Hussein by beating themselves and cutting their own flesh to bleed. Its f**king barbaric. Religion of peace my ass.

Fred, I’m sorry if this isn’t appropriate, please delete the post if that’s the case
Posted by: JerseyMike || 01/22/2004 10:42:36 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Remember people intentionally getting themselves crucified over in Christian Catholic Latin America?
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 01/22/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't recall seeing little kids nailed to a cross
Posted by: JerseyMike || 01/22/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#3  It's the same thing as the christian Flagellantes, catholic monks who chastise themselves with thorns, or buddhists monks who starve or commit suicide.
And I seem to recall seeing pictures of little jewish children having their foreskins cut off. Slightly more invasive than these superficial cuts, don't you think?
Posted by: euroboy || 01/22/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#4  IMHO, if you want to whip yourself, crucify yourself, hang yourself on hooks, set yourself on fire in protest, etc, that's your right. I don't understand why you would, but that's just my opinion. It's when you try to force your views or religion on others that we have a problem. Your religious beliefs end where my nose begins.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#5  euroboy, at last something I can give you points for. But this is a culture clash, and you dont see christians scourging themselves in western culture.
Islam is just a culture effect. It is used to justify medieval behavior just as christianity has been.
Posted by: flash91 || 01/22/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Euroboy... regarding the foreskin. That's a medical procedure implented for health reasons that became cultural. That's a little different than self-mutilation, no? Also, regarding barbaric religious beliefs (wtf were you thinking putting circumcision in that one?) yeah it's bad and every religions done it. Btw, did you know that in the US almost all children get their foreskin removed, not jews but all people. It's because docs recomend it.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 01/22/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#7  what a bunch of jerks . glad they aint on our team
Posted by: phoxxxy || 01/22/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Mommy, why do you have that big knife in your hand...mommy? Mommy, Nooo!!

Posted by: TS || 01/22/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#9  Odd seeing "euroboy" defending self-mutilation when, in the heart of his declared homeland, people are forbidden to wear certain items of clothing and jewelry because of their religious meanings.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#10  #3 Actually gotta half agree with Euroboy on this one. Now Euroboy how do you feel about baby duck stomping?
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Ts : now that 's a mental picture I won't shake easily (I've got issues, you know...).
Posted by: Anonymous coward || 01/22/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#12  The difference between this and Christians crucifying themselves is that the vast majority of the Christian world thinks the guys that crucify themselves are demented religious wackos.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||

#13  A troll by any other pseudonym still can't spell
correctly. So far this week euroboy has used Bill Blass, Faisal, Redneck, and IDF Destroyer. Is it possible that Steveeroosa is back with his juvenile taunts?
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 01/22/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#14  So far this week euroboy has used Bill Blass, Faisal, Redneck, and IDF Destroyer. Is it possible that Steveeroosa is back with his juvenile taunts?

Given that Howard Dean lost in Iowa, I'd say the answer is yes. Bitterness, ya know.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/22/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#15  Some people crucify themselves in the Philippines, not as a rite of the church but as a folk tradition expressing piety, gratitude, or repentance. People don't generally think they are crazy.

Self-flaggelation is sometimes a tradition of some Catholic orders, and still occurs. Most Catholics don't think they are crazy either.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
Posted by: buwaya || 01/22/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#16  People don't generally think they are crazy.

No, just weird.
Posted by: Rafael || 01/22/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#17  I wondered how long it would take euroboy to work in the Jews. Judging by his english, he is from the UK where male circumcision is (or at least was) almost universal. As I recall I was the only uncircumsized boy in my school class. He's manipulating facts as per the Left's standard play-book.
Posted by: Phil B || 01/22/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Web Site Gathers Complaints About CU Professors
EFL
Republican students at the University of Colorado have launched a Web site to gather complaints about left-leaning faculty, saying they want to document incidents of discrimination and indoctrination... Jones and the CU College Republicans are affiliated with Students for Academic Freedom, a national organization started by California conservative activist David Horowitz, who is pushing a Colorado effort to protect students from harassment or discrimination based on political beliefs. "I’m shocked shocked I say! the students would resort to this," said Barbara Bintliff, a CU law school professor and chairwoman of the Boulder Faculty Assembly. "I’m concerned they may wind up with a blacklist or engage in an attempt to censure certain professors."
I mean... holding professors accountable for not doing their job?
Travis Leiker, 22, president of the College Democrats at CU, said classrooms are full of different perspectives.
But must only discuss and agree with the professor’s viewpoints or face harassment and a lower grade.
"I think the conservative students who feel there is a bias are more afraid of hearing points of view different from their own," he said. "You don’t see College Democrats doing this with the business or engineering school, which clearly have a conservative bias," Leiker said. "We could play this game as well."
Perhaps because those schools dont preach their views from the lecture hall?
How do you put a liberal slant on an engineering course?
Jones, 20, said the Web site is not a witch hunt but an effort to collect evidence. Students must identify themselves to log a complaint on the Web site, but the complaints will not be posted online unless Jones verifies them. He said students will be named publicly only with their permission. The CU Web site is among the first of its kind, said Sara Dogan, national coordinator of Students for Academic Freedom.

Additional Resources:

# The complaint form, entitled "Report Bias," is linked to the CU College Republicans Web site at www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/CURepublicans.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/22/2004 9:16:38 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oops.... mussed up the link at the bottom. Here is a proper link to www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/CURepublicans
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/22/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||

#2  "You don’t see College Democrats doing this with the business or engineering school, which clearly have a conservative bias," Leiker said. "We could play this game as well."

Number of political comments I heard from engineering faculty: 1. It amounted to "we shouldn't let people starve on the streets".

Number of political comments I heard from liberal arts faculty: Countless. This includes one class that could have been extremely useful and interesting, but was turned into an endless bashing of any technology developed after 1800.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Engineering schools have a conservative bias? What twaddle. What the Eng schools have is a low tolerance for self-delusion and pie-in-the-sky muddle-headedness.

It looks the same, if you're a muddle-head.
Posted by: mojo || 01/22/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#4  How do you put a liberal slant on an engineering course?

Do you really want to know?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/22/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#5  The worst thing they could do to the profs is record their socialist tripe and post them on the web. It would drive the leftists absolutely nuts.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 01/22/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm glad to see this. The rest of the state doesn't refer to that area as the "Peoples' Republic of Boulder" just to waste our breath. If' it's muddle-headed, feel-good, fuzzy-thinking, leftist, Marxist, or just plain weird, it's pandered to, "accepted", and even promoted in Boulder.

The good news is, most of the loonies in the state gravitate there, so the rest of us don't have to put up with them. They also serve as "canaries in the coalmines", since they're usually on the front ranks for promoting the LLL tripe.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/22/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#7  When I was in engineering school at UC Berkeley '66 thru '70, we did not have the time to indulge ourselves in a bunch of sit-ins, demonstrations, etc etc. Among engineering students there were a wide range of opinions on the Vietnam war. There were also alot of Israeli students, with their bags packed and ready to go back in 1967 if called. Alot of things that we were learning about how to design could kill alot of people if we f--ked up, so our mindset was on real things and not on what was trendy.

The thing that really stuck out in my mind was that among those who were opposed to the Vietnam war there were two factions: those with rational grounds and honest convictions, and those that used it as a tool for destroying the United States. See, things have not changed much in 35 years....
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#8  There were also alot of Israeli students, with their bags packed and ready to go

Seen that. I was very impressed.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#9  When Mechanical, Electrical, Nuclear and Civil Engineering Schools begin engaging in social promotions, I inted to install the shelter in the backyard. Note to self -got to start looking for clearance prices on Spam.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||

#10  OP's right, it isn't just the university in Boulder. However, I don't think it's as bad to be an amateur muddlehead at large than a semi-pro muddlehead in a teaching position who uses the podium inappropriately. And we help pay them.
Posted by: Lynwood || 01/23/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||


Clark Bends Over and Takes One for the Other Team
HEFL
It has been more than 10 years since a Democrat from Little Rock, Ark., first took on the military’s ban on gay service members, winding up with a compromise that was quickly dubbed “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Now another Democrat from Little Rock is tackling that compromise, saying it clearly doesn’t work and must be dismantled. As president, Gen. Wesley Clark is prepared to fix what his former commander in chief, Bill Clinton, left broken.
Q. I know your son was married recently. If your son had been born gay, would you want him to have the same rights that he enjoys today?
A, I would want him to have the right to have a stable relationship. But whether you call it marriage or not is up to the church or the synagogue or the mosque. And it’s up to the state legislatures. I think marriage is a term of art. It’s a term of usage. But the legal side of it is not: It’s not negotiable.

Q. So you support Massachusetts’s calling it marriage?
A. Yeah, absolutely.
I personally don’t have a problem with the idea of gay civil unions - so my apologies to any gay readers out there, but IMHO, this is a HUGE tactical mistake by Clark. While this issue will pull some of the centrists to the left, even gay readers will have to acknowledge that this idea is so unpopular with the general public, that the democrats will lose a huge chunk of their base over this issue. The Republicans are right, this is a hand grenade and Clark just committed suicide by pulling the pin and throwing it in the Democrats lap. How, you ask, does this relate to the war on terror? Clark just assured Bush’s reelection.
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 6:29:25 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This move shows Clark's staggering inability to keep his eye on the end goal...no wonder he made such a mess in Bosnia and was forced to "retire early".
Posted by: B || 01/22/2004 6:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Hmmm, friend of Hillary and Bill, forced to "retire" early, problem with Hugh Shelton, wears Argyle? gives interview to Advocate, says nice things about being gay - I wonder if his closet is now peek-a-boo?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 01/22/2004 8:09 Comments || Top||

#3  I think an even bigger mistake is his appearing on the cover of the magazine this article is from (hint: it's aimed at homosexuals). particularly dressed the way he is.

Were he to get the nomination (HA!), or even the VP nomination, Republicans wouldn't have to say a word - just distribute copies of this magazine's cover with Clark's uh, shall we say less than executive-looking picture.

Of course, what he said in the interview (pandering to the immediate audience, without thought for the larger picture) won't help either.

Amateur.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/22/2004 8:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Couple thoughts: First I think a Marriage ammendment is stupid, it demeans the Constitution to start outlining what a marriage is or isn't and removes the ability of states to decide for themselves. Second, I think Clark just lost the majority of the military vote (if he had them at all) to secure the gay vote which is unlikely to have gone Republican to begin with. Tactically somewhat foolish.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 9:53 Comments || Top||

#5  ruprecht - the only reason anyone is discussing an amendment is that this is watershed moment in social institutions, and should be discussed and a consensus built among the people, not legislated from the bench by liberal judicial fiat. By usurping power from the legislature - the judges have asked for an appropriate bitch-slap back via the established process - a constitutional amendment, or a lessening of the "full faith" clause forcing all other states to recognize what one state has established as a right. - IMHO, of course
Posted by: Frank G || 01/22/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  ruprecht, Clark NEVER had the military vote. Maybe a few perfumed princes but the rank and file don’t follow his logic (or politics). Most could give rats ass about whose gay and who is not. I never wore a badge on my BDUs that identified me as a heterosexual and nether should they. What they want is not and even shake they want to drive the agenda in their direction. If the ‘gay community’ had their way they would be gay soldier awards, gay promotion quotas, and gay night at the O club. All of these are COUNTER to the military culture. They reason we are sooo successful is we DO NOT divide into separate groups but act in the best interest of ALL. If you want to be gay, be gay OFF DUTY, never brought my sexuality to work. If Clark thinks the D.A.D.T. policy isn’t working then there was a problem with HIS office and not the entire military. I served with many people whom I suspect (but I never asked) they were gay. The ones that were successful, did so on their own merit. I did have one troop discover his ‘gayness’ when he was given a less that desirable assignment. He suddenly couldn’t “Live a lie anymore.” He got his wish: A GDHC. (General Discharge under Honorable Conditions). I was not a fan of Clinton but this policy does work.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 01/22/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#7  "Clark NEVER had the military vote. Maybe a few perfumed princes..."

Interesting. Brings to mind something I read in a Hackworth column last year. (I used to read his stuff avidly years ago, but in recent years have realized that he makes no sense as often as he has a valid point.)

Here is a case in point:

Read this Hackworth column about Clark from Sept. 2003.

This is David Hackworth, the guy who put the term "perfumed prince" into the lexicon, actually endorsing the best modern example of a perfumed prince.

Gawd.

Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/22/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#8  DADT wouldnt survive a draft.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 01/22/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#9  Cybersarge, no arguement from me. But there might be some ex-military that aren't up on Clark and what he's about. Once this gets around he'll lose 'em all.

Frank G, I agree that judicial fiat is a problem and I don't actually have a solution to it. I just think there are serious problems with a marriage ammendment. I could be wrong but I believe ammendments to the constitution have to be ratified by all states and its gonna be tough to get that one through all 50. That will really hurt the case.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||

#10  ammendments to the constitution have to be ratified by all states

Requires ratification by three fourths of the states. Article IV, U.S. Constitution.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Oops, Article V. Or for those non-citizens of Rome, Article Five.
Posted by: Steve || 01/22/2004 14:38 Comments || Top||

#12  CyberSarge - EXACTLY! On my first day in basic (over 20 years ago) my drill sergeant shouted "How many black people in this unit? Raise your hands!" Then he repeated the question with "white people".

The next words out of his mouth were "WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! THERE ARE NO BLACKS IN MY ARMY. NO WHITES, BROWNS, OR YELLOWS! THERE IS ONLY ARMY GREEEEEEN!" (the last two words blasted at us loudly enough to make windows shake in the barracks in Ft. Dix...)

He meant it, too. As far as he was concerned, the day you signed on the dotted line, your skin turned Olive Drab, and you joined a new racial group (by adoption), the race of "G.I."

And you'd damn well better stay LOYAL to that race, or he'd kick your ass so hard, you could wave "Bye-bye" to the Voyager probe on your way out of the Solar System.

What you used to be, didn't matter. What you liked to hump (be it girls, guys, or under-aged sheep), didn't matter. Just the ARMY.

Heh.

Ed.
Posted by: Ed Becerra || 01/22/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#13  under-aged sheep???????????
Glad I never had that kind of a pervert in my duty section.

Weasle Clark is proving to the entire world he lacks the one thing that sets apart truly successful military members from the rest of the crowd: self-discipline. The successful people I knew in the military, whether they were heterosexual, homosexual, multi-sexual, or preferred little green aliens with pointy ears and no nose, all had it. No amount of politicking, boot-licking, sucking up, or pandering could replace it. Oh, it might get that kind of person promoted, but it never made them truly "successful" - i.e., one to emulate.

IMHO, marriage (and I've been married for 37 years) is the union of one man and one woman to propagate the species in a successful, nurturing environment that will promote the overall success of the entire species. There is no way that any single-sex relationship can provide all the necessary ingredients for such a continuation. Man, like most life on this planet, is designed to function best in a bisexual relationship. Any other form of relationship, including single-parenthood, cannot match that ideal. There's always something missing, making the relationship somewhat less than ideal.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 01/22/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#14  Old Patriot, by your definition a brother and sister could be married but someone who was steralized for some reason or two old to propgate could not.

I don't necessarily have a problem with the definition, just nitpicking.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#15  and I've been married for 37 years)

Shipman <------------- working the math.

BzzzzzzzzzzzT It was a Gal! :)
Posted by: Shipman || 01/22/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#16  Marriage exists for ONE reason because the society find an adavantage in it. That advantage is that married couples have, on average, more children than unmarried ones, even stable ones. The legal protection given to the conjoint and the common child seems to be the main reason for this. The fact that marriage makes separation a bit more difficult (ie no separation on a moment of bad humor) also reduces somewhat the number of child who are raised by a single parent, a desirable thing since these are more prone to fall into crime (and in previous centuries to die from starvation or illness).

Now homosexuals can live and have sex with whom they want. It is their problem.
But marriage is society's problem. Why society should bother to upkeep a legal apparatus
for a form of union who is intrinsically sterile and thus has no usefulness for it? Why people should have to pay taxes for funding the marriers, judges, record keeping and tax exemptions for married gay couples if that form of marriage has no social usefulness? Would the partisans of gay marriage accept the tax increase involved in financing it? Well I am not a partisan and I refuse to finance it on my taxes.
Posted by: JFM || 01/22/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#17  Ed Becerra

You shouldnt post such comments about under-aged sheep. That is exactly what your name (Becerra) means in spanish.
Posted by: JFM || 01/22/2004 18:04 Comments || Top||

#18  Ooops. Becerra means an underaged cow, not a sheep.
Posted by: JFM || 01/22/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#19  Cow, sheep, they're all pink on the inside...

Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 18:27 Comments || Top||

#20  JFM's right! The issue here is not one of personal choice, but of societal value. Whether homosexuals marry is entirely their business. Whether they enjoy financial and legal benefits from being married is very much my business.
Posted by: Phil B || 01/22/2004 18:45 Comments || Top||

#21  I do agree that the matter of marriage is societal, not one of personal choice -- and I also think that it's indeed societal value that makes it so that homosexual couples should be allowed to marry.

The advantage of marriage IMO isn't that of "more children", as JFM said, -- in that case polygamy and group marriages would also be allowed, I think.

I think that the main value of marriage is in the recognition of family units as being more than sex-couplings, but rather lifelong promises of mutual aid and succour. Your wedded partner becomes the next-of-kin who lives with you, and has both authority and responsibility to take care of you when you are incapacitated, to have inheritance rights if you die... and yes, to take care of your children, if something bad happens to you. For tax purposes the concept of marriage seems likewise useful, when needing to explain the gains and losses of a single household where money earned and spent aren't cleanly divided between the two partners.

All these show "societal value" in recognizing gay marriages, because all of the above can apply equally well to gay marriages.

It's when people are limiting marriage's value to the purpose of procreation, that I feel they end up demeaning its worth and meaning.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 01/22/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||

#22  The civil union/ marrige issue is debatable, but the military issue is not. The US military is already an intergrated team of people who's number one priority is mission sucess. I never really appreciated learning anything about the sexual exploits of other military members -heterosexual, homosexual, a-sexual, autosexual, or bisexual. In fact, that has been a hold over for me in the civilian supervision work I have retired into. Any admission that causes me to think of an employee engaged in private intimate contact, is more information than I want or need.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 20:43 Comments || Top||

#23  AMEN Super Hose! AMEN!
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 21:18 Comments || Top||


Middle East
OSC: Loyalty, Sacrifice, and War on the Cheap
Another article by Orson Scott Card -- always interesting.
Iraq was not the most dangerous sponsor of terror — Syria and Iran were and are, and the most important target to go after would have been Syria. It would have been as surely a war of liberation as the war in Iraq, and it would have cut off the immediate support of the most virulent anti-Israel terror groups, thus bringing some hope of peace to Israel and Palestine. And Syria would have had the advantage of being easily accessible to our forces, unlike the nightmare of trying to campaign against Iran from the sea...

So in a sense Record was right. Iraq was the wrong war militarily, and while it looked like the right war politically, the delays made it less right with each delay in beginning the campaign.

But in another sense, Iraq was exactly the right war. No one could defend Saddam’s government, even in the Muslim world, without essentially admitting that they don’t care about the Iraqi people. So even in our present situation, we are not in a "quagmire" unless we choose to make it one.

Record’s most chilling warning is the one about our lack of depth compared to the war we have taken on. Clearly the war in Iraq cannot end — the country cannot be pacified — until we have neutralized the three adjacent nations across whose borders the terrorists and their funding flow: Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia...

That’s one reason why it was militarily wrong to attack Iraq first. Now we’re in the middle with tenuous supply lines, especially with Turkey as an unreliable ally and Saudi Arabia barely more reliable. If we had attacked Syria first, the benefit to the anti-terrorist world would have been more immediate, and as we then subsequently rolled across Iraq and, if necessary, into Iran, we would have had far more secure supply lines and a single, if very broad, battle front, with militarily subdued territory behind us. The borders of the occupied territory then would have been with Israel, Jordan, Turkey, not with Iran and Syria.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 01/22/2004 1:07:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The supply lines aren't tenuous - Kuwait is a secure base. To attack Syria there wouldn't have been a base at all, as Israel would be too politically touchy for the other Arabs to swallow, and Turkey ? I think Mr. Cards strategy is faulty.
Posted by: Anonymous || 01/22/2004 1:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr Card knows jack squat. Tell him to learn something about interior lines and the ability to shift forces rapidly and concentrate them anywhere - as well as the ease of supply. And look at a freaken map.

Iraq is the keystone. It interrupts the flow of terror throughout the region. If you want to get from Iran to Syria, without crossing the Kurds and Turks in the North, or taking a slow boat from the Persian Gulf, you have to cross Iraq. Same goes for Soddy and Syria - a lot of flat open and easily monitored terrain there too.

And all those areas are now subject to US and Iraqi patrols - the latter of which are no longer looking the other way.

Tenuous supply lines? Basra has one of the finest deep water posts in the gulf. And we are still a maritime nation - with the largest and finest Navy that can resupply anything anywhere on the globe. How the hell does he think the "overland" (from Turkey) supplies get there? They move by shipt to German, then on trains. Just reroute the ships to Kuwait, UAE and Bahrain. No problems. And those nations are a lot more dependable than Germany, Turkey or France would be.

Were we to follow hte Syria/Iraq/Iran line, the whole of the supply line woudl be strained, especially reachign across Syria - much more hazardous terrain there. The flat and open terrain in Iraq is much more suited to mechanized and wheeled movment - with long sightlines that give an advantage to the patrollers over the ambushers. Try looking at that versus the terrain in the Bekka Valley.

Card is ignroant to the point that he doesnt even realize how ignorant he is. And consequently gravely mistaken.

QED Card is a jackass.
Posted by: OldSpook || 01/22/2004 2:00 Comments || Top||

#3  OldSpook you summed up most of it... Just a couple more things to add Syria would have been FAR more difficult to occupy.

The Syrian people pretty are quite anti-american as opposed to the Iraqis that are relatively pro-america. Saddam would have been supporting the resistance with his vast resources which, the combination of which would make the occupation far bloodier and less likely to suceed.

And besides that why bother with Syria? They aren't nearly the threat that Iraq was or pose the same stragic benefits of being a US ally that Iraq does or have oil wealth to guarantee their economic growth and help maintain stability for democracy to thrive in.

Iraq and Iran were the only reasonable targets. Iran maybe would have been a better choice but their is also the possibility they will have their own revolution in the short term, especially with democratic Iraqi influence, and war would have proven unneccesary. Time will tell.

This Card guy doesn't have a clue.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 01/22/2004 2:42 Comments || Top||

#4  LMAO my spelling and grammer in that post were awful... time for sleep ;)
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 01/22/2004 2:45 Comments || Top||

#5  DPA is right to mention the oil. The oil is important - not so Bush and his cronies can get rich or anything like that. But we will need to be in a position to counter any shortfalls in Saudi production, and soon.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 01/22/2004 2:53 Comments || Top||

#6  I've read some sensible pieces by Orson Scott Card lately but this is just un-fu&*in believeable. Syria is nowhere near as dangerous as Iraq. Assad is no Saddam. The Iraqi people distrust the Americans but they are glad to be rid of Saddam. Syria would be a lot different. I don't know if Assad is loved. I know there are some villages that hate his father and the Baathists.
Posted by: Tokyo Taro || 01/22/2004 3:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Card's military strategy may be off, but I think he makes a few good points. People can dispute whether Syria should or shouldn't have been first, but I think we can agree that it - or Iran - should be NEXT. (And faster, please.)
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/22/2004 6:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Syria is a minor country of no interest to anyone but maybe Israel. We don't have to invade it to neutralize it. An international trade embargo would do it.
Posted by: Bernardz || 01/22/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm one of those folks who wonder just what the hell the administration was thinking to takle the war in the way it was done.

If it wasn't just arrogance, I suspect that the administration expects the Saudis to implode and cleaning up Iraq is a way of covering our bets.

Not that this would be politic to admit.

Posted by: Hiryu || 01/22/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#10  neither Syria nor Iran has the humanitarian problems that Iraq had; neither Syria nor Iran are in violation of mandatory UN resolutions

I'll grant you these countries are bad; neither is as bad as North Korea.
Posted by: mhw || 01/22/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#11  I think the guy is makeing it up as he goes along. With the toppling of saddam we have taken out an openly hostile tyrant. Msg sent. If all goes well in this war. Large scale military operations may be over and covert, garot around the neck style warfare may be the new battle order.
Posted by: Lucky || 01/22/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#12  He makes some decent points but does come off as naive regarding the political situation and his trust for that one War College paper. For example to go to war against Iraq the US had to bottle up our fleet in the tiny little Persian Gulf as well as arrange for overflights or basing in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qutar. Meanwhile Syria and Iran have all sorts of open coastline and could have been hammered from the air without asking anyones permission.

What he misses though, is the fact that choosing the hard targets (like Afghanistan and Iraq) has a few benefits. (1) Those with lots of coast line and a reason to fear like Quadaffi realize that they could easily be taken out. (2) It requires less political manuevering if you don't need the bases and overflight, and political manuevering will become harder and harder as war progresses. (3) Picking countries off one by one allows some to reform and save themselves (Libya again) and keeps the rest from uniting to fight together.

The only problem with the Bush plan is it will take two administrations minimum to see it completed while Cards big fat ugly WW2 style war would have cost a fortune in money, lives and political capital but the bulk could have been finished or gone so far along as to be irreversable by the 2004 elections.
Posted by: ruprecht || 01/22/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#13  The big bulk of the terrorism resource (i.e., funding before the Iraq war was supplied by:
1. Saudi Arabia (from resources derived from the 40 KM wide .com Strip™.
2. Iran
3. Iraq

These three states were the big oil producers. Syria was basically a client state of Iraq and Iran. Afghanistan was a client state of, well Saudi Arabia princes' money. Pakistan is basically subsidized by Saudi money. Taking out Iraq isolates Iran, squeezes Syria, and probably dried up 25% of the terrorist money. We did not go after Saudi, which is the main source of funding because of political and oil supply considerations. I guess GW felt that he had to make a deal with the devil for a while, whatever. Now my guess is that 60% of the remaining funds for terrorism come from Saudi and 40% come from Iran. So now we are blowing away Baathist remnants (probably still some thousands of hard core active types) and a bunch of foreign Jihadis (which are dwindling, as they are seemingly going into a black hole). The NORKS are just trying to earn a living with supplying stuff like missles, possibly fissle material or eventually nukes, and heroin. So now the big issue is Iran and Saudi. If Al-Q brings down the Royals in Saudi, their money will dry up. We will have oil problems for a while, but the parasite will have killed the host. So the biggest money threat is Saudi. The biggest WMD threat is Iran. We have to deal with both in a sensible way that does not overextend ourselves.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/22/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||

#14  I think the list should have Lebanon on the top not Syria. Historically, I don't think that Syria's industrial produciton is viable without Lebanon's markets and ports. I may be wrong.
Posted by: Super Hose || 01/22/2004 21:07 Comments || Top||


Iran
Iran denies getting nuclear material from North Korea
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami has given new assurances that Iran’s nuclear programme is peaceful and denied that Iran has any improper ties with North Korea.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
Speaking at the World Economic Forum, where he delivered a keynote address, he insisted Iran never owned weapons of mass destruction and "vehemently" opposed production of nuclear arms. Mr Khatami also strongly denied that Iran had received nuclear materials from North Korea and ridiculed US President George W Bush’s claim that tough US policies had made Iran a good nuclear citizen. "Iran has never had weapons of mass destruction," the reformist president told reporters. "We vehemently oppose the production and manufacturing of nuclear weapons and for this reason we have extensive, sincere and honest cooperation with the IAEA," the International Atomic Energy Agency. Mr Khatami also issued a strong response to reports that North Korea had supplied Iran with nuclear material. "I categorically deny the shipment of nuclear material by North Korea to Iran. We have nothing to hide," he said.
"Nope. Nope. Never happened."
The Iranian president said his country has a stronger relationship with South Korea than the communist North. Mr Khatami said Iran reserved the right to the peaceful use of nuclear energy. Mr Khatami rejected any suggestion that it changed its nuclear policy for fear of the United States after the Iraq war as suggested by Mr Bush in his State of the Union speech Tuesday. He said Iran was already a participant in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and other international efforts to curb the spread of weapons. He attributed any progress to Tehran’s dialogue with European countries instead.
"Yeah! Why can't you Merkins be more like the Frenchies? Except for those headscarves..."
Mr Khatami also challenged Mr Bush’s claim of success in Washington’s Middle East policies, citing its failure to capture Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden or find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Despite speculation of the beginnings of a thaw in relations between Iran and the US since the Iraq war, Mr Khatami said Tehran had yet to see any signs of respect and a desire for an equal dialogue from Washington. But he had noted a change in tone by the US administration that once characterised Iran as part of an "axis of evil." "I hope the changes we have witnessed in tone used by the United States will not be a tactical ploy but a real strategic change in policies and attitudes." On the political crisis unfolding in Iran, Mr Khatami said he has no intention of stepping down as president, despite the fact that many cabinet ministers are said have submitted their resignations. He expressed confidence that his showdown with conservative is heading towards a settlement after free elections are held.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 12:20:48 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I categorically deny the shipment of nuclear material by North Korea to Iran."

According to this Debka article from Nov. 2002, the flow was actually going the other way.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 01/22/2004 2:51 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Somali Canadian held for al-Qaeda ties
A Canadian man of Somali descent was accused in a federal indictment unsealed in Minnesota yesterday of conspiring to aid al Qaeda. Mohammed Abdullah Warsame was charged with one count of conspiring to provide material to the terrorist organization from March 2000 until he was taken into custody last month. Warsame, under investigation in New York as well as Minneapolis, told FBI agents that he attended an al Qaeda training camp at which Osama bin Laden was present during 2000 and 2001, according to court papers. Federal officials did not detail Warsame’s alleged activities in supporting al Qaeda, saying the investigation is ongoing. "I will not go into the underlying facts at all," said Minnesota’s U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger, adding that "bare bones is probably a fair description" of the indictment.

Warsame, 30, has been enrolled as a student of computer programming at Minneapolis Community Technical College. The FBI questioned him Dec. 8, according to court documents, and Warsame admitted that he attended the training camp and used the alias Abu Maryam. He was arrested the following day as a material witness in an investigation underway in New York. Court records show that a name similar to Warsame’s — Mohamed Warsama — appeared on a Kenyan business card in the possession of Wadih el-Hage, a naturalized U.S. citizen who worked as bin Laden’s personal secretary. El Hage was convicted in 2001 in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. After his arrest, Warsame was taken to New York, where federal officials said they planned to seek his testimony before a federal grand jury. Authorities would not comment yesterday on whether Warsame testified. He was returned to Minnesota yesterday.

Warsame is represented by the federal public defender’s office in Minnesota, but an official there said the office had no comment on the indictment. Canadian Embassy officials did not return calls for comment. Officials said previously that Warsame was at the al Qaeda camp with accused al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, and that he lived with Moussaoui at one point. Moussaoui was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota in August 2001. Officials have suggested that Warsame’s role is limited in the Moussaoui case. Federal authorities were upset at the public disclosure of Warsame’s arrest last month, because it prevented them from using him as an informant. The case had been sealed, and Heffelfinger vowed to try to prosecute any federal law enforcement officials who gave information to the news media.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/22/2004 12:18:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:



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