Al Qaida has targeted Saudi officers in wake of the killing of several members of the Islamic insurgency leadership in the kingdom. So far, Al Qaida has shot about 10 Saudi officers over the last week, most of them in the Riyad area. The Al Qaida escalation has alarmed the United States, which has ordered non-essential diplomatic staff out of the kingdom. On Wednesday, Al Qaida insurgents shot dead a Saudi security officer during a shootout near Riyad. Another officer was injured outside Al Uyaynah, about 45 kilometers northwest of Riyad. The security officers were part of the Interior Ministry's Al Mujahadeen special operations unit, which has focused in tracking and battling Al Qaida insurgents. The Mujahadeen unit was supported by a police helicopter during the search for Al Qaida in the mountainous region of Al Uyaynah.
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Hey, Arabia - feelin' the heat yet, boyz?
You all nurtured these mad dogs; are you surprised when they turn their rabid bite on you?
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Lie down with terrorists, get up dead.
Works for me.
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Saudi authorities arrested eight people believed to have been involved in shootouts with police last week. The gunfights Monday and Tuesday left five policemen dead and five wounded. One militant was arrested at the time. SPA on Sunday quoted an Interior Ministry official as saying investigations "resulted in disclosing their (militants') dens, forcing them out of their caves, and so they fled leaving their belongings, including their killing and destruction devices." The official said eight men were arrested in connection with the shootouts. He declined to provide additional details. The official said three vehicles police seized were booby-trapped SUVS, loaded with more than four tons of explosives. The official said that police also seized women's clothing apparently intended for sexual adventures disguises, weapons, ammunition, bombs, Molotov cocktails, computers and cash.
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We had a bit on this yesterday, from al-Jizz...
Police in Saudi Arabia have arrested an advocate of religious reform, two days after he appeared on the Arab television station, al-Jazeera. Officers arrested Saeed bin Mubarak al-Zaeer, 57, in Riyadh. He was released a year ago after spending eight years in prison without charge. A family member told the BBC he thought the authorities had used the TV appearance as a pretext for his arrest. Mr Zaeer is an academic in mass communications and a religious reformist who has called for greater transparency within the closely state-monitored Saudi clergy. Two days earlier, al-Jazeera interviewed him about an audio tape purportedly released by Osama Bin Laden, in which he offered European nations a truce if they withdrew their troops from Muslim countries. "He justified terrorist attacks and the killing of policemen and then aired these provocative and dangerous views on television," an interior ministry official told Reuters. Mr Zaeer's son denied his father had backed militant attacks during the television talk show.
Pretty simple to disprove. Play the tape.
The official said Mr Zaeer would probably be charged and prosecuted for instigating violence.
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...and spend another 8 years in the hoosegow without charge. At least he won't be getting real Islamic justice his hands chopped off.
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I didn't think anyone could be pro reform, pro transparancy and also pro terrorism but I suppose anything is possible.
The guy wants a free hand for Islamist advocates, but not for atheist and other apostates. It's kind of like the way Muslims condemn "terrorism" by the US, but approve of bin Laden's atrocities.
Several Islamic militant groups are preparing attacks on London, making such a strike unavoidable, a radical Muslim cleric said in an interview with a Portuguese magazine.
"Itâs inevitable. Because several (attacks) are being prepared by several groups," Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbonâs Publica magazine from London, where he is based.
One "very well organised" group in London calling itself al Qaeda Europe "has a great appeal for young Muslims", he said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
London police said they were not prepared to discuss the claims, but the countryâs most senior police officer, Sir John Stevens, has previously said that an attack on the capital was inevitable.
The firebrand cleric, who has outraged moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike with his uncompromising views, gave no further details.
Asked if a British Muslim was allowed to carry out a "terrorist attempt" in a foreign country, Muhammad said "That is another story."
He added: "We donât make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
It was important to see accusations of terrorism in their proper context, he said.
"If we give money to needy women and children, they say they are the families of terrorists. But where do the terrorists come from? Zimbabwe? No. They are people from here. And they are our brothers, the terrorists."
"The British also are terrorists, in Iraq...Terrorism is the law of the 21st century. Itâs legitimate."
Sheikh Bakri Muhammad said he had mixed feelings about the possible effect of his comments. "In a certain way I regret that, because the first thing the government will do is deport me, myself and my family," he said.
GROUP PRAISED SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
The Syrian-born cleric heads the al Muhajiroun group, which has praised the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States and the al Qaeda militant network blamed for them.
He told Publica in the interview published on Sunday. there were several "freelance" militant groups in Europe, such as al Qaeda London, prepared to launch attacks similar to those carried out by the al Qaeda network.
Four British men and a teenager appeared in court in Britain last week charged with plotting a bombing after being arrested in the countryâs biggest anti-terror raids since the September 11 attacks.
The men, all of Pakistani origin, were arrested on March 30 in raids which uncovered 600 kg (1,300 lb) of ammonium nitrate, a fertiliser that can be used in bomb making.
Asked about his comments that he wanted to have the banner of Islam at 10 Downing Street, the prime ministerâs residence, Muhammad said, "Yes, itâs my dream. I believe one day that is going to happen. Because this is my country, I like living here."
"Iâve been arrested 16 times. And 16 times freed, because they have nothing against me. These are the contradictions of laws made by man. If they believe in democracy, who are they afraid of? Let Omar Bakri benefit from democracy!"
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One wonders whether they're really going to do this, or if they're trying to scare us. I know that the whole idea of shame and honor is a big thing in the minds of the Arabs, and so I'm trying to figure out whether they're going to have to follow through or else they'll be shamed, or if they're trying to shame us into surrender.
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Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbonâs Publica magazine from London, where he is based.
One "very well organised" group in London calling itself al Qaeda Europe "has a great appeal for young Muslims", he said. "I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
Sounds like this Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad has direct contact with terrorist cells. If so, he is a participant in these plots. We need to take him out of circulation, preferrably by way of fast onset lead poisoning.
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Why is this nutcase allowed to run around and make these threats? This is national suicide letting this guy do this inciteful speech. On another note, where is Hook Boy and what is he doing these days?
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Zipster, again, I can't help but remark how quick on the trigger you are.
For him to be taken out would require Britain to pass something similar to the Patriot Act.
Hope it happens.
But as the British government seems to molly coddle Liberal whiners (like you?) even more than we do, I wouldn't count on it.
The Left here and abroad has been busy indeed moaning about how their "civil liberties" have been infringed by the Patriot Act, yet when asked to cite one example, they can't.
The second they arrest some Islamist oranguatan terrorist killer here, in comes CAIR, the ACLU and your precious Dimocrats screaming "police state."
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There are proposals for a law which would allow the arrest of associates of terror suspects. Bakri has implicated himself in this article.
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He probably has more bugs on him and in the places he frequents than bin Laden and his mooks have fleas. MI5 must have a small army of officers assigned to bugging this camel bugger.
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Heerarchy of terror terms:4)Cleric:a Muslim
with a few RPGs and suicide belts
3)Firebrand cleric:add a few more explosives
2)Militant:one who kills dozens in terror attacks
1)Freedom fighter:one who kills thousands in a single attack
...Isn't that right,Sean Penn?
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Sheikh Bakri Muhammad said he had mixed feelings about the possible effect of his comments. "In a certain way I regret that, because the first thing the government will do is deport me, myself and my family," he said.
It should have been done years ago.
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Someone needs to start wacking those who propound such dreck. If the governments can't do it, perhaps private individuals should start thinking about it.
Various groups sympathetic to al-Qaeda are preparing large-scale attacks against London, the leader of an Islamic group suspected of having ties to the extremist network said in remarks published on Sunday in Portugal. Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, the head of the London-based group al-Muhajiroun, added in an interview with the Portuguese daily Publico that last month's deadly Madrid train bombings were carried out by a group of independent actors who back Osama bin Laden's organization. "There are many youths who dream of joining al-Qaeda, but worse than that, there are many 'freelancers' who are willing to launch operations similar to those by al-Qaeda," he said. "The attack in Madrid was carried out by one of those groups. Here in London there is a very well-organized group, which calls itself al-Qaeda-Europe. I know they are on the verge of launching a big operation." Bakri Mohammed, who is suspected of having links with Abu Qatada, an alleged al-Qaeda leader in Europe, said it was "inevitable" that London would be hit by a large attack "because they are being prepared by various groups."
Okay, this strikes me as a fairly blatant admission by Bakri that he knows something big is in the works and is doing little if anything to stop it. Can they jug him now?
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Then the UK hits the Al-Muhs.
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No matter who does it, it'll be Bush's fault, caused by the Iraq war, imperialist U.S., blah blah, BBC.
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When a guy touts this info and does not go to the authorities to prevent this type of activity that can cause the deaths and injuries of thousands, he is an accessory to that criminal or warlike activity. Once these guys realize that actions have consequences, they will either leave or shut up. The UK has alot of house cleaning to do to get rid of PC and Mad Mullahs. So do we in the US.
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Not sure what you mean by that, Shipman. I think WM4F's analysis is pretty much correct. If Britain is attacked by terrorists, the BBC, al-Guardia and the like (not to mention, if present appearances hold true, the majority of Brits themselves) will blame the US, not the terrorists.
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When a guy touts this info and does not go to the authorities to prevent this type of activity that can cause the deaths and injuries of thousands, he is an accessory to that criminal or warlike activity.
Which is why this guy needs extensive interrogation, stat!
Security bosses let thousands of al Qaida members into the UK during the 1990s, former spy David Shayler claimed today. The renegade ex-MI5 agent, who was jailed for selling top secret documents to a newspaper, also claimed some of the terrorists were granted British citizenship in an amazing blunder by his former bosses. âIn the early 1990s MI5 was very slow to get to grips with al Qaida,â Shayler said in a TV interview. âDespite repeated warnings they let in thousands of al Qaida members into this country who are all still here. Some of whom have gained British citizenship, which makes it very difficult to expel them.â
Middlesbrough-born Shayler revealed his fears on the ITV1 Tyne Tees programme The Sunday Interview. He based his claims on information from French security service officials, who Shayler said, warned their British counterparts that al Qaida terrorists were trying to get into the country. In 2002 he was jailed for risking British agentsâ lives by his âblinkered arrogance." An Old Bailey jury convicted him of three charges under the Official Secrets Act after selling top secret documents, which were packed with names of agents, to a newspaper for £40,000. He claimed he was a whistleblower trying to expose corruption and incompetence in the secret service.
But he remains convinced the UK is under great threat from an attack by Osama bin Ladenâs feared terror group. Shayler told the programme: âAt one point the French intelligence service mentioned that tens of thousands of al Qaida members came into Britain from France. âThe French got on top of al Qaida very quickly. In this country we have always had a problem with resources and for that reason our security has been put at risk. These people are here now and if they wanted to attack us I am sure they could,â he said. âI think they (David Blunkett and Sir John Stevens) have always known there has been a lot of people here. I think we have been given a period of grace and that may change at any time. We have already seen attacks in Istanbul on British targets and I think it is only a matter of time before something big happens in this country.â
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What branch of Fake is soon to unleash it's rath upon the windy Isle, Sunni or Sheeya?
A senior Iraqi judge investigating the murder of a revered Shia cleric flew to Britain on Friday to gather evidence against Moqtada al-Sadr, the hardline Shia leader who is confronting coalition troops in the holy city of Najaf. The judge will interview three Iraqi exiles who witnessed the savage attack last April on Sayed Abdul Majid al-Khoei, a cleric whom Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, hoped would help forge peace in Iraq. The Shia leader, a powerful moderating voice who preached tolerance of other faiths, returned to Iraq from 12 yearsâ exile in Britain only to be shot and hacked to death by supporters of al-Sadr, within sight of the cityâs Imam Ali shrine.
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A leading British Muslim politician should be killed for committing âapostasyâ by supporting anti-terrorist policies, a Muslim extremist has claimed.
The warning to Lord Ahmed â one of the first Labour peers appointed by Tony Blair and an outspoken critic of fundamentalism â was issued at a meeting of al-Muhajiroun, a radical London-based group. The organisation, led by the Syrian-born preacher Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, is alleged to have sent Britons to terrorist training camps and one of its followers attempted a suicide bombing in Israel.
But it still somehow remains in business...
Al-Muhajirounâs threat was witnessed by an undercover Sunday Times reporter who attended the groupâs meetings as a potential convert to Islam. In his public statements Omar avoids threats of violence against British politicians, but his followers are less guarded. The sessions, although outwardly religious, included statements in support of terrorism, from praise for the September 11 attackers to calls for the violent establishment of a Muslim state in Britain. The threat against Ahmed, 46, was delivered this month by Abu Saliah, a regular speaker at al-Muhajiroun meetings. He claimed that the peer had âallied himselfâ with non-Muslims and was guilty of âapostasyâ, a crime âpunishable by death. No doubt about itâ. Saliah stopped short of calling outright for the murder of Ahmed, a businessman from Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
"Punishable by death. No doubt about it." That's stopping short? That's not very short.
The peer, ennobled in 1998, has tempered his criticism of Islamic extremism with opposition to the Iraq war. He angered some Muslims recently by urging that clerics should be forced to take tests in English language and culture. He said he had expected to become the subject of a fatwa (religious pronouncement), âthough not, I should add, one that sentences me to deathâ.
I don't know why not...
Al-Muhajiroun recruits in mosques and universities. It also uses a market stall in Whitechapel Road, east London, the heart of the capitalâs Bangladeshi community. Targets include white Britons who are confused about their religious beliefs or who have personal problems. The reporter, white and from a Christian background, was invited to meetings after approaching the stall. He claimed that he had become disillusioned with Christianity and had a theological query about language in the Koran. Staff at the stall urged the reporter to attend weekly meetings of the Central London Muslim Association, a name used by al-Muhajiroun. The group uses a room at the Weavers Field community centre, a former school in Bethnal Green, east London. The reporter went to three gatherings over the past month. They attracted between 30 and 40 people, mostly Asian and mostly men but with a small group of women. At meetings, the reporter was assigned to a follower in his early twenties called Azaz to learn of the groupâs beliefs. The speeches consist almost entirely of attacks on the Blair government, British society and moderate Muslims. Speakers generally used quiet, measured tones. The audience gave murmurs of assent. The style was in sharp contrast to rabble-rousing preachers such as Abu Hamza, the hook-handed cleric from Finsbury Park, north London.
Only because of the two different audiences...
Statements included:
o Praise for the killing of American marines in Falluja.
o A description of the September 11 attacks as âmagnificentâ.
o Criticism of Muslims who co-operate with police or MI5 by alerting them to terrorists.
o A warning that Britain must accept the âblack flag of Islam flying over 10 Downing Streetâ or âlive in terrorâ.
Speeches are recorded on video for distribution to sympathisers. They are punctuated by prayers and rounded off with a question and answer session. Last week the meeting was able to boast a new convert. The man, a white Briton identified as a reformed alcoholic called Wayne, had been recruited about two months after first attending the Whitechapel stall. The man, in his late twenties or early thirties and with a ponytail, was wearing traditional Pakistani dress. After reciting the shahada â the pledge of total belief in Allah â he took the Muslim name Osama amid screams of âAllahu akbarâ.
I wonder if he'll change sides again after the Islamists pull of their multi-thousands slaughter, wherever it's successful?
Earlier in the meeting one speaker, a bespectacled civil engineer in his thirties, had claimed that it was only through ignorance that people criticised the September 11 attacks, âwhen the two planes magnificently went through those buildingsâ. He also claimed that the use of terrorism by Al-Qaeda had helped to recruit converts. He said: âWhy do you think that after 9/11 people started looking at Islam? . . . If you fear something, you seek knowledge about it.â
And one day, not too far in the future, the West is going to start looking very closely at the converts, along with the immigrant fifth column...
During the same meeting, the reporter was asked three times whether he, too, was ready to convert but he claimed he was still making up his mind. Al-Muhajiroun has more than 2,000 Muslims, mainly men in their late teens to thirties from Asian, African or West Indian backgrounds. Despite concern from mainstream mosques, police and MI5, it is a legal group. It has found an audience among disaffected young Muslims, particularly in London, Derby and Luton.
Omar, formerly known as al-Fostock, was born in Aleppo, Syria. He lived in Saudi Arabia but was expelled in 1986 for belonging to the banned Hizb ut-Tahrir (Liberation party). He claimed asylum in Britain and 10 years later founded al-Muhajiroun, which means âthe emigrantsâ in Arabic. In 1991 he was interviewed by police after allegedly calling for the assassination of John Major. At the meetings, members of the group rejected their nationality. âWeâre not British. Either you are British or you are Muslim. You canât be both,â said Saliah. âWhat does âBritishâ mean? âBritishâ means you give your allegiance to the Queen. Is the Queen Muslim? Of course she is not.â
He said of non-Muslims: âWe do not take them as friends. We do not take them as allies. So how is it I can go to the British government or the authorities and say, âLook, here is our Muslim brother. Take himâ. Unfortunately Lord Ahmed released this statement â we know this man. Heâs not Muslim, heâs an apostate . . . Apostasy in Islam is a crime which is punishable by death. No doubt about it . . .â Other speakers at recent meetings included Omar Brooks, 27, a fibre-optics engineer and convert from Christianity. Brooks claimed âall Jews are racistâ, said the Blair government would begin to murder Muslims in Britain and praised the killing of Americans in Iraq. Azaz, the reporterâs religious âminderâ, made clear the groupâs admiration for Bin Laden, particularly his financial support for the families of fighters. âA lot of people now call their sons Osama because he is the one who has been looking after thousands of families. The soldiers of Allah â he looks after them,â said Azaz.
Ahmed shrugged off the warning against him this weekend. âI am not afraid of them,â he said. âI am deeply concerned not for myself but the type of incitement that al-Muhajiroun and Abu Hamza are preaching. That is why in the House of Lords about two weeks ago I asked the government to revoke the British citizenship of Hamza and Omar Bakri.â Omar said this weekend that âgreat scholarsâ in Saudi Arabia had also branded the peer an apostate but that he did not agree. He said Ahmed was merely âignorantâ.
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The threat was delivered by Abu Saliah, a regular speaker at al-Muhajiroun meetings.
Today is Sunday, but deportation officials will be at work early Monday morning. Airplanes depart from the UK all day long.
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Mike--
What makes you think that they will really deport him? I bet they won't.
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Better chance they'll make Lord Ahmen apologize to these clowns.
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Just looking at how eager these people are to claim converts (including taking them from any race or culture), I can't imagine it would be too hard to infiltrate groups of this sort by various intelligence agencies. It has to be easier than infiltrating a closed society of a single culture, which is inherently suspicious of outsiders. It seems that this fervent desire to convert everyone could be used against them. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I hope that someone else has thought of this...
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Face it: if you are a dark skinned person living in Western Civilization, you can advocate terror, with absolute impunity. But if you are white, oppressive human rights legislation applies to you when you make colored genocide promoters feel bad.
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I don't think they will, but they should. I suppose I'd be kind of happy if only the newspapers would publish these people's legal status for the public to know. We can't even get that to be done, either in the UK or here in the USA.
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A warning that Britain must accept the âblack flag of Islam flying over 10 Downing Streetâ or âlive in terrorâ.
This is as close to a declaration of war as you can get without actually using the word "war." When will we realize that these people will accept nothing less than the total domination of their beliefs, and they will do anything to get them? We have to respond in their language, not make room for them!
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That's the next ruse the Islamist will use--convert European "dis-illusioned" men and send them to attack--and no one will expect it--they've done that in France already remember the 2 brothers from Lille?
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The North Korean official also repeated an earlier statement that Pyongyang would consider the imposition of economic sanctions as a declaration of war.
That's a chance we're just going to have to take. This bunch of @ssholes need to go down hard and d@mn quick, too. If Kim's plane crosses open water on his flight to China, we should blow it out of the sky. I wouldn't bet a plug nickel that the politburo is going to spank their misbehaving baby either.
China has managed to milk out an undeserved degree of prestige by mediating this tempest in a crackpot teapot. They have helped breed up this threat to regional stability and had better resolve the issue post haste. All of this needs to stop immediately. The entire north Asian region is experiencing economic jitters because of these loons. North Korea is the fulcrum for China's leverage and therefore should be removed as a damper to Sino influence in the region.
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Zipster, you're really quite the hothead, aren't you?
You're Mr. Nuke-them-all-now, which is peculiar for someone from the ideological side who thinks Jimmy "Appeasement" Carter and Bill "Kumbaya World Order" Clintoon were our greatest CiCs.
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Jen, Mr. Z is quite a mystery. He regularly comes out with 'lets nuke em all' statements and then whines about fences built to keep out drug dealers. Is till think he's fraud trying to build up credit points in order to push some agenda. Although, to give him his due, he has made a couple of moderately funny sheep jokes the last few days.
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Zenster> Not even the US can attack all the world at once, no matter how nasty said world is.
North Korea will only fall if the Chinese regime falls -- as that time seems still rather far away, it's best to keep on playing defense in that area of the world for now. The emerging Syria-Iraq-Iran axis is the real problem currently.
If Cheney has a bead on him now that Saddam is out of the way, Kim better get himself a copy of the songbook that Daffy Khadaffy is using, i.e., if he wants to keep importing the French Cognac.
As to China? Pyongyang Kimbo is just cheap entertainment. They are getting a dose of reality in re.; Xinjiang province in the Northwest of PRC. It they get too distraced by the Northwest, They will drop Kim like a rock.
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You're Mr. Nuke-them-all-now, which is peculiar for someone from the ideological side who thinks Jimmy "Appeasement" Carter and Bill "Kumbaya World Order" Clintoon were our greatest CiCs.
Jen, your unfounded assertions reveal a remarkable lack of integrity or intelligence. I'll let you choose which.
Aris Katsaris, your points are well made. I happen to regard North Korea's negative impact on the economies of our Asian allies as one that rivals the admitted need for some major whup-@ss in the Middle East. It's why I'd like to see a multinational effort towards regime change in North Korea. I'm still rather concerned about North Korea proliferating nuclear technology or fissile material, especially to terrorists.
Phil B, I'll ask you once again; Do you advocate Los Angeles walling off Compton? How about New York walling off Harlem or Bedford-Sty? Such thinking is about as American as Stalin. Let us know when you have the courage to answer this.
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Phil B, try and avoid descending to Jen's intellectual level, it ill becomes you. I advocate nuclear retaliation against Moslem holy sites should Islamic terrorists launch an atomic attack on Israel or the West. My efforts to outline some sort of credible deterrent to Islamist terror are a far cry from your imaginary 'lets nuke em all' horseradish.
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Dudester, get a blog, so we can ignore you properly!
It would work out great for you--you'd never get banned, unless you banned yourself (which I wouldn't put past you, oh Beavis and Butthead rolled into one person of the cyber world!)
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Let's cut to the chase with one single question:
What are your feelings about the Berlin Wall, Phil B?
Abdel Salem al-Kubaissi of the Islamic Clerics Association who played a role in the release of five Japanese hostages in Iraq criticized the Japanese government on Saturday, saying it "must be thinking that it would be better for the hostages not to be freed."
"The Japanese government is using the incidents as an excuse to justify the stationing of its Self-Defense Forces troops in Iraq," the Sunni Muslim cleric told reporters. "They must be thinking that it is better for the hostages not to be freed, for Japanese to be kidnapped and killed." He also criticized Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi for failing to credit the clerics associationâs contribution in gaining the release of three of the hostages.
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Did not get the brownie points he was looking for?
Headline to read: Tokyo says Hostages would Prefer Islamic Clerics Dead
Maybe the Japanese government did not want those particular hostages back.
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Tokyo says Hostages would Prefer Islamic Clerics Dead
I think most of us would.
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Who says the hostages were hostages? All had links to the anti-war extremists... I don't believe them.
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He also criticized Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi for failing to credit the clerics associationâs contribution in gaining the release of three of the hostages.
Hard to credit the same people who ordered the hostages taken in the first place.
SECURITY services have stepped up surveillance on at least four Sydney terror suspects linked to a Pakistan-based terror cell. The heightened alert follows the arrest of a medical student accused of having prepared for combat at a camp in Pakistan that trained suicide bombers. Izhar ul-Haque has spent his third night in the Supermax prison at Goulburn after being charged with receiving instruction from a terrorist organisation. ASIO is understood to have liaised closely with MI5, the British security service. Security sources said there was a link between arrests last month in London and allegations that Australians had trained in terror camps. MI5 has heavily infiltrated these groups, but it seems like the price of letting Islamofascists operate openly is London is a heavy price to pay.
At least two of eight men suspected of plotting to bomb London using explosives made from ammonium nitrate fertiliser had trained with Kashmiri militants at a camp visited by ul-Haque. Lashkarâs membership is actually 90% Pakistani, but okay..
Security sources said they had adopted a hard-line tactic of pre-emptive action. "We aim to disrupt and dismantle," a senior source said. Ul-Haque, who was born in Pakistan, is alleged to have visited Pakistan for terror training at a camp called al-Aqsa in January and February of last year. Maybe someone should actually do something about these training camps that continue to turn out hardcore Jihadis? Hafiz Saeed must be happy to know that he is able to run a private terrorist army without Washington seeming to take any action.
Hundreds of militants willing to fight and die with Kashmiri rebels were taught at the camp to use automatic weapons, grenades, mortars and explosives, according to security sources. Most were from Arab countries including Yemen and Saudi Arabia, but there were volunteers from Romania and Britain. Romania?
ASIO and the AFP in Sydney are openly watching and following four men suspected of being affiliated with the Pakistan-based terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, with which ul-Haque allegedly trained. They include a Bangladeshi butcher, a 39-year-old Turkish man and a Lebanese man who has been under ASIO investigation since being linked to French terror suspect Willie Brigitte.
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I'd like to know whether these Arabs are citizens of Australia. If they aren't citizens, then they can simply be deported.
With articles like this being published in the newspapers, the security surveillance will never catch them doing anything illegal. This isn't "hard-line, pre-emptive action." It's weak and futile action. Deporting them would really be hardline, pre-emptive action.
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IF this is true--I wonder what the West is doing--allowing these nitz to go about their business? The main mission of the government is to protect its citizens--isn't it?
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The Federal Government is set to name a new batch of terrorist organisations that ASIO believes have developed links with Australia. Attorney-General Philip Ruddock told The Sunday Age yesterday that an announcement would be made soon about "a number of organisations" but declined to name them. These groups, one of which is believed to be based in Pakistan, may be receiving significant amounts of money from Australia or providing terrorist training to Australians.
That'd likely be Lashkar e-Taiba...
Mr Ruddock confirmed that the arrest of Sydney medical student Izhar ul-Haque, 21, on terrorism training charges last week was just "one element" of a wider investigation into possible terrorist activities in Australia. An Australian group representing a Pakistani political party said yesterday it had alerted federal police that four men who arrived in Australia from Pakistan this year, posing as delegates, may be linked to the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET). The president of the Sydney-based Pakistan Muslim League in Australia, Mohammed Malik, said authorities had interviewed one of them in Melbourne and he believed the others were in hiding in Sydney. He said he understood the men, aged between 20 and 28, had arrived in Australia with visitors' visas about two months ago. Waseem Aslam and Farooq Khan arrived in Sydney, while Azher Hussain and Ashfaq Ahmed arrived in Perth. Mr Malik said the four had contacted his Sydney-based community group, a small organisation representing a party in Pakistan that supports President Pervez Musharraf, claiming to be visiting delegates. Mr Malik said checks with the party's central secretariat in Islamabad had revealed this was not so.
Couldn't even get their cover stories lined up? Hafiz Saeed's falling down on the job...
He said that background checks on each man in Islamabad suggested they were possibly LET members. Mr Malik accused the men of "misusing our letterhead" and said the four had fled after the organisation alerted federal police that they were posing as delegates. Mr Malik said it was unclear how the four men had obtained visas. "There is no 100 per cent (certainty) that these are the terrorists," he said. "But there is suspicion. They are suspected (by) the authorities and . . . us too that they belong to the terrorist group LET."
Chances are probably better than 90 percent that they are...
He said he feared some people may be hiding suspected terrorists in Australia. He was concerned at news of Ul-Haque's arrest, and would be "disappointed if Pakistani people are involved" in terrorism.
"Surprised, no. Disappointed, yes."
Mr Ruddock said yesterday that links between any terrorist organisation and Australia - including the transfer of money, recruitment for terrorist training or sending equipment or other goods overseas - would be grounds for the Government to arrest anyone who was a member of that group or associated with it. "There are other organisations to which I am giving some consideration . . . they are at various stages of consideration," Mr Ruddock revealed. "They are organisations that are known terrorist organisations, where we believe there are linkages with Australia." After advice from ASIO, Mr Ruddock must inform Opposition Leader Mark Latham and the premiers. A majority of states can block the move, but it is expected federal Labor and the states will support a listing recommended by ASIO. Mr Ruddock said he was concerned about Australians helping to finance overseas terrorist activities - sometimes believing they were helping charity. "There are allegations that significant amounts of money are shifted in a variety of means to a variety of organisations and often communities here in Australia that have linkages to communities abroad are vulnerable to that sort of pressure to support offshore activities," he said. Several government agencies were "vigorously" trying to crack the flow of funds.
Neil Fergus, head of a private Australian security firm that has provided anti-terrorism training in Athens for this year's Olympics, said "There is no doubt that there are a small handful of people that have been intimately involved in Lashkar-e-Taiba for a period of time, including some of them having trained there and it is a major focus of investigations by authorities." Clive Williams, director of terrorism studies at the Australian National University, agreed it was possible al-Qaeda and affiliate groups such as LET now had a latent terrorist capability in Australia. He also warned that tightened security measures for international travel may have raised the threat from sleeper elements already in Australia. Those who might have previously provided only logistical support may now be called on to carry out terrorist attacks.
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Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Sunday he had ordered Spanish troops withdrawn from Iraq as soon as possible. While Zapatero had run for office on a promise to withdraw Spanish forces from the U.S.-led coalition, the timing of the announcement was unexpected.
I wonder if it was stipulated in the surrender document?
In an announcement from the Moncloa Palace, Zapatero said he had ordered the defense minister to "do what is necessary for the Spanish troops stationed in Iraq return home in the shortest time possible." Zapatero spoke just hours after the new Socialist government was sworn in.
Anyone surprised?
I do hope they intend to give up bullfighting. As a sport it's unfair, since the bull always gets killed in the end. As a spectacle, its only purpose is to demonstrate a man's bravery in facing the bull up close and personal. Since they've forfeited any claim to bravery, maybe they should take up bowling.
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Shame on Spain. I hope they don't get chased out of town. I'm sure the jihadies will make their exit a hot one. I know one thing, it wont be grand exit. Sorry for the guys who have to bear Spains shame.
Enjoy your new government Muchachos. Free aspirin.
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This is the first acceptance of Bin Ladens latest peace proposal. by moving up the date, the Spanish Quisling has caved into the 7 minute tape. Ole for the Spaniards.
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The Spanish military should feel no shame. It is the inluctable consequence of serving in the military of a democracy that the civilian government can order you to do things for political reasons and you must obey. There is no shame, only a sense of frustration and deep sadness. Anyone who served during the presidencies of Clinton and Carter should know exactly how they feel.
Oh no, if the bull is foiund defective (eg weak on legs) before blood has been drawn he is sent back to the corrals and from thre to the salughterhouse.
But from time to time a bull is found to be so exceedingly good he is amnistiated and gets a new job for, say, improving the species. But these cases are very, very, very rare (so rare it comes in the newspapers) since no ganadero sends purposefully bulls of stallion material to bullfiights.
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This seems pretty unilateral to me. You know, I can actually respect the French position, because its essentially based on the loss of commercial interests from Iraq. But Spains position is based on nothing short of bald-faced cowardace in the face of terror.
Ok,everyone shift your european vacations back to italy and england.
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Nevermind the vacations, Italy and Poland are next. That leaves the UK, but for how long.
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Can Cobarde ibn Zapatero be impeached as the traitor he is?
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This almost makes me wish Spain was hit by another terrorist attack. But before I get to far, I remind myself that it's the Spanish Government that is running from terror, not the people. I can only hope that the people of Spain do not suffer another attack from this cowardice.
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Dont kid yourself bubba, were next.
This summer is going to be the "gettysburg" of world terror. They will throw it all at us in the next 6 months. If Bush wins in November, they are cooked. If Bush loses, Terror will have a voice for another 30 years. You can best prepare yourself now for the bloodiest summer in this country since 1863. car bombings, hijackings, kidnappings, mall bombings, anthax attacks, it will all come out of the woodworks. Its best to prepare yourself now to wake up every day between now and election to the kind of things we saw in madrid, only this time with the words "BUSH KNEW".
Then ask yourself, who it is who is on your side?Mikey Moore? Dan Rather? Katie Couric? The New York Times? These people are gloating at the deaths of Americans, as signs of "proof" of how smart they are and how dumb you are and certainly how much better they are than President Bush.
They are already gloating while our men and women are being killed in defense of this nation overseas, and they laugh at anyone who says that Iraq is just another battlefield in the war on terror.
Never forget, They are laughing at you. They want us to lose. They need us to lose.
The leftist demogogues, the terror states and their allies in the world press will stop at nothing, and I do mean nothing to ensure that Bush suffers a defeat. The press has shown our enemies how to defeat us. The press and media will say anything and do anything to show that we are losing. I can accept those who hate us in the islamic world and the EU but I am continually sickened by those in my own country who are hoping and praying for deaths and distruction of our forces overseas and for attacks here at home, so that their hated president will be removed from office.
If Bush loses, The left will once again feel power and meaning in their life. If Bush wins, the worlds leftists will suffer a setback bigger than any defeat since 1945.
If we lose, Where will the rule of law exist? Where will civil rights, the rights of women, gays and minorities be protected? Where will free speech, free assembly and the freedom to belong to a religion, any religion exist? Where will be able to hide? If we are to pull our troops to safety, where would we pull them back to? Manahttan? Madrid?
Do not think that we cannot lose this war. We can. There are forces both at home and abroad who have staked their very lives to see that we do lose, because they cannot co-exist with us. There can be no accomodation of freedom and liberty for those who seek to enslave other men.
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So then, another civil war in America???
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Its more like a civil war of the world. The forces of Democracy, freedom and human rights extended to all people against the forces of totalitarianism, egalitarianism and the return of serfdom for those not in power.
Spain has just withdrawn from the union.
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I cannot bring myself to wish any more terrorist attacks upon Spain. However, should they happen, all bloodshed will be on the hands of their appeasing government. This sordid episode will besmirch Spanish dignity for decades to come.
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It's time to leave Rota and Moron. The troops and be better used elsewhere.
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The worst thing about this (other than the obvious) is that the Spanish Brigade has been involved in some of the past 2 weeks' key fighting in Najaf and Diswaniyah (Read here about them being on the front lines of the Anniversary Iraqi insurgency when this bullshit started and when they're pulled out, it will look as if they're retreating, which they are.
Even though we will be victorious, this is a morale killer for the Coalition and conversely, a booster for the Enemy which we really don't need right now, if ever.
PENDEJOS=BASTARDS.
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Rafael: So then, another civil war in America???
Actually, if Canada continues to shelter jihadis, who then go on to launch attacks that kill thousands of Americans, it should expect to see that friendly foreign neighbor to the south undergo a change of attitude vis-a-vis Ottawa. Would that constitute a civil war? Only if you consider Canucks Americans.
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Last time I checked Spain was a democracy--the people have spoken--they want their troops out of Iraq and did not agree with Aznar's party stance. So why don't we be nice and just call them French? Wait till there is an attack in Rome--Italians--they will do the same! And don't even think that Britain won't follow
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NMM, what are you, the Voice of Doom?
I'm beginning to believe that you are indeed fatass Michael Moore.
Of course, we hope that the Brits and the Italians won't follow the Spanish.
Berlusconi had wide-spread support last week when he vowed that Italian troops would stay in Iraq even when the Italian hostage was murdered on Arab TV.
And Great Britain doesn't have as many appeasement peaceniks as types like you would like to think.
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The question is, why is the U.S. military defending Iran against these lunatics?
The enemies of my enemies, etc, etc.
Fifty volunteers who left Canada to join a ââcult-likeââ militant group called Mujahedin-e-Khalq are being detained by the U.S. military in Iraq -- more than twice the number previously thought, the National Post has learned.
True! But around those parts, the enemies of my enemies are often our enemies, too-- and have a disturbing tendency to become allies of our enemies when it suits them!
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I still don't understand the "scandal" with this story. Removing Saddam was official US policy since 1998; what's the big deal about the president having an interest in implementing US policy?
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I think that Woodward's trying to portray President Bush as a "victim" of the "Neo-Con" "cabal" in his Administration; you know the usual suspects: Wolfowitz, Perle, and Rumsfeld.
That and Woodward wants to effect another Watergate.
God knows he and the WashedUpPost have been trying since 9/11.
Although Bob wants someone younger and better-looking than Redford to play him in the movie.
He's probably thinking Brad Pitt.
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I know who should play Woodward in the next movie. Anyone know if the guy who played "Dr. Bombay" on Bewitched is still alive?
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Anyone read Vanity Fair this month about all the lies and spin that got us into this mess?
Posted by: Not Mike Moore ||
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Vanity Fair, now there's a LLL rag without an agenda!
How I long for the days when VF was just a fashion and style magazine.
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God knows he and the WashedUpPost have been trying since 9/11.
9-11???? Puhleese...more like ever since the 1970's.
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True, B. Sorry...!
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The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Sunday.
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out...
The opportunity for terrorists to try to influence the election, as was the case last month in Spain, appears to be an opportunity that would "be too good to pass up for them," Rice said. "I think that we do have to take very seriously the thought that the terrorists might have learned, we hope, the wrong lesson from Spain," Rice told "Fox News Sunday."
But Zapatero said he didn't send any such message. Doesn't anyone believe him?
Fox News said a few minutes ago that Zapper's announced Spain's troops will be withdrawn from Iraq as soon as they can round up bus fare.
"I think we also have to take seriously that they might try during the cycle leading up to the election to do something," she said. "We are actively looking at that possibility, actively trying to see - to make certain that we are responding appropriately," she said. Jose Maria Aznar, outgoing prime minister of Spain and a strong U.S. ally in the war in Iraq, says he has warned President Bush that he believes terrorists will try to affect the U.S. election as they did in Spain. "I told George Bush, and (British Prime Minister) Tony Blair and other political leaders to be extremely careful before elections ... and to be very vigilant," Aznar told Fox.
Which might not be enough. Will American voters learn the lesson of Spain?
Socialist leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who succeeded Aznar over the weekend, was holding his first cabinet meeting on Monday. Two Spanish newspapers have reported that Zapatero's foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, will meet in Washington this week with Secretary of State Colin Powell and Rice. The newspaper ABC reported that Moratinos hopes to show U.S. officials that Spain wants to maintain its current good relations with the United States, despite Zapatero's plans to pull Spanish troops from Iraq today by June 30 unless the United Nations takes over political and military control of the occupation.
Today's announcement was "ASAP," not "June 30."
The newspaper El Pais reported Sunday that Moratinos will offer nonmilitary cooperation in Iraq, such as training of Iraqi police, as an alternative to the Spanish soldiers' presence if Zapatero does decide to bring them home. The Foreign Ministry declined comment Sunday.
It's not the same, and they know it.
They've surrendered. Turban prices in Madrid have probably jumped 500 percent today.
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Did she mention if they expect the attacks to come from jihadis or Democrats?
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Touche', RC!
Perhaps, I'm being naive, but somehow I expect that attacks in America will inspire rage rather than the Spanish response. After all, the 9/11 attack was intended to leave us whimpering under the bed, but instead resulted in the Taliban being booted out of Afghanistan followed by the fall of Saddam in rather short order.
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If we have pre-election attacks, Bush will be calling for counter attacks. What is Kerry going to do---call for duck and cover under the bed? Kerry will have to advocate counter attack also. Only problem is that Kerry has been advocating the appeasement and weenie approach for months. The American public do not take kindly to attacks, and Kerry will have already made his bed in the wrong tent.
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Then look for Kerry and Kennedy and the Democrats to start laying the groundwork to 'Blame Bush' if something happens before the election.
Look for Kerry and the like to start quoting Al-jitzz about how our troops are murdering women and children, comitting rapes, taking ears, etc...
After all - it isn't as if Kerry hasn't done it before to advance his political career. This time he can say he was only quoting the international press. He doesn't even have to stage a 'winter soldier'....
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Well, anything that happens now can't be blamed on Clinton like Herr Rove tried to do with 9/11--if we have a terrorist attack--it's entirely Bush and Condi's fault--now SPIN THAT!
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'Kay, NMM... if Clintoon had taken care of the OBL problem--which he had 12 opportunities to do--, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 and there wouldn't be an Al Queda anymore and we most certainly wouldn't have been where we are now.
Happy, asshat?
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US bank regulators could levy fines this week against Riggs Bank for failing to report millions of dollars in transactions with the embassy of Saudi Arabia, the Washington Post reported on Sunday. Riggs Chairman Robert Allbritton and other bank officials have been notified that they could be individually sanctioned. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and three congressional panels are probing Riggsâ role over the last 20 years as chief banker for the embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington. Investigators are trying to determine if Riggs helped Saudi account holders launder money, which could have been used for illegal activities including drug smuggling or terror activities, the paper said.
Commenting in the article, Riggs said it has cooperated with federal investigators. The Allbritton family declined to comment for the article. âNeither the investigative agencies nor the regulatory agencies have ever informed Riggs that such accounts were used for illegal purposes,â Riggs said in a statement in the article. Riggs stopped doing business with the embassy in March, the article said. Investigators with the FBI and other federal agencies are trying to determine if the embassy used charity donations to funnel money to the Al Qaeda terrorist network, the article said. Before 2003 Riggs rarely filed suspicious-activity reports with law-enforcement agencies and was lax in monitoring fund movements, the article said.
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Any idea where the Soddies took their money? Unless it's Bank Leumi, there should be a boycott.
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Well after the Bush tax cut Allbritton and co took their millions to France Switzerland where questions don't get asked like that
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On March 11, 1995, Timothy McVeigh furiously informed Michael Fortier in Kingman, Arizona, that Terry Nichols had decided to cease his participation in the plot to blow up the Oklahoma City federal building. (A few days later, Nichols informed his ex-wife Lana Padilla in Las Vegas that "Tim and I are going our separate ways.") McVeigh then asked Fortier to replace Nichols, specifying two main tasks.
The first task, before the bombing, was to help mix the chemicals. McVeigh had three 55-gallon drums of liquid nitromethane, each weighing more than 400 pounds, in a storeroom in Herington, Kansas. He and his helper would load these drums up into the rented truckâs cargo bay, siphon the nitromethane into13 barrels, where it would be mixed with ammonium nitrate fertilizer. McVeigh especially needed help loading the heavy, awkward barrels up into the truck.
The second task, after the bombing, was to pick up McVeigh at the Las Vegas airport, where he would leave his get-away car, and then to drop McVeigh off in some remote desert location. McVeigh wanted to mislead the investigators to think that he had flown far away.Fortier refused to do either task. (Michel and Herbeck, American Terrorist, pages 200-201, 215).
On March 29, therefore, McVeigh offered Fortierâs drug-dealing neighbor Jim Rosencrans $400 to drive with McVeigh, in McVeighâs car, to an unspecified place"14 to 20 hours" away, to drop McVeigh off there, to drive on to the nearest airport, to leave McVeighâs car there, and to fly home. By March 29, apparently, McVeigh had altered the second task. We donât know whether his altered intention was likewise to leave the car there as a decoy or to position the car at the nearby airport for a get-away. We also donât know how McVeigh now intended to accomplish the first task. Perhaps he intended to use his time driving with Rosencrans to convince him to at least help load the drums onto the truck, perhaps he had convinced Nichols or someone else to help with that task, or perhaps he now thought he could do it alone. Whatever McVeighâs specific intentions, Rosencrans refused McVeighâs proposal.
Two days later, on March 31, McVeigh moved to a motel on the outskirts of Kingman and apparently remained there until April 12. During that period he phoned to several numbers, including to the number of Richard Coffman of the National Alliance, an organization chaired by the author of The Turner Diaries, and to the number of Andreas Strassmeir, the security chief of Elohim City. It seems that McVeigh was not able to talk with either of those two during those phone calls. McVeigh explained to the authors of American Terrorist that his intention in those phone calls was to explore possibilities of a safe haven after the bombing (American Terrorist, pages 205-206). I think thatâs probably true. Reflecting on how hard it had been to recruit and keep a collaborator, McVeigh (I think) decided that it would nevertheless be easier to compel Nichols to follow through on their earlier mutual plan than to try to recruit a new collaborator from scratch in the remaining eight days before April 19.
On April 11 he had a phone conversation with Nichols. The next day, on April 12, McVeigh checked out of the motel and said goodbye to Fortier, asking him one last time to help and then saying that he would try to convince Nichols to help. Fortier refused again, and McVeigh became very angry. Fortier then had the impression that McVeigh still did not have a helper, and Fortier therefore expected that McVeigh would completely abandon his plan to blow up the federal building, since there was now only one week left until April 19. (Hamm, Apocalypse in Oklahoma, page 202)
McVeigh drove through Texas and Oklahoma (he stopped in Oklahoma City to recheck the site) and arrived in Herington during the afternoon of Thursday, April 13. He checked the storage unit and verified that the materials were still there. He then drove to another storage unit in Council Grove to fetch some gel there, and brought it back to the storage unit in Herington that evening. By that time steam was coming up from inside his carâs hood, and he discovered that he had blown a head gasket. McVeighâs first idea was to sleep in his car near the storage unit, but then he decided not to risk the possibility that a security guard might identify him. He therefore, he says, drove north of Herington to Lake Geary and slept in his car there.
The next morning, Friday, April 14, he drove further north to Junction City and traded in his car for another broken-down car. He switched his Arizona license plate from the abandoned car to the acquired car. After that he called a nearby Ryder truck rental and arranged to rent a truck, promising to drop by to leave a deposit the next day, Saturday, to guarantee the truck for Monday afternoon.
Only after that phone call to the truck rental did he phone Nichols, their first contact since their phone conversation on April 11. They had not contacted during Thursday when McVeigh passed through Herington. During that phone conversation, McVeigh indicates, he arranged to meet with Nichols at Geary Lake, between Herington and Junction City, during the mid-day. As McVeigh drove to that meeting place, his recently acquired car repeatedly stalled. When they finally met at the lake, McVeigh had to ask Nichols to jump-start his car and to go buy him a new battery so that McVeigh could continue driving his car.
Most people assume that McVeigh dominated Nichols, but McVeigh was certainly in a weak position during that meeting by the lake. McVeigh was almost out of money, and his car barely ran. McVeigh was begging for Nicholsâ help, not the other way around. McVeigh needed someone to accompany him to Oklahoma City federal building, a five-hour drive away, to position his car and then to drive him back to Junction City. McVeigh needed someone to help him load three 400-pound drums into a Ryder truck. Nichols had told him five weeks previously that he refused to cooperate. We can be sure that even at this meeting he still insisted that he would not be anywhere near the federal building on April 19.
Nichols was in a good position to drive a hard bargain with McVeigh. Nichols was in a position to compel McVeigh to accept a helper of Nicholsâ own choice.
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The next morning, Saturday, April 15, Nichols, McVeigh, and a third man met for lunch at a Herington diner, according to the dinerâs owner. That Saturday evening an employee of a Junction City restaurant delivered a Chinese dinner to McVeighâs motel room. The employee says that the person who opened the door and paid for the delivery was neither McVeigh nor Nichols.
Sunday, April 16 was Easter. That afternoon Nicholsâ wife Marife cooked an Easter dinner. Nichols seemed to be relaxed and did not rush Marife to prepare dinner sooner. It did not seem, even in retrospect, that he was planning to travel that day. As he sat down to eat at about 3 p.m., McVeigh called him on the telephone. Others in the room could hear that McVeigh was speaking loudly and angrily to Nichols, evidently very upset about something.
Following that phone conversation, Nichols spent the rest of that day driving to Oklahoma City and back. McVeigh drive his own car there and then rode back in Nicholsâ truck. Perhaps a third person also participated in that trip.
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Much later, McVeigh explained to the authors of American Terrorist why his get-away car was missing a license plate on April 19, the day of the bombing. On that Sunday evening of April 16, McVeigh explained, when he parked the car in Oklahoma City, he himself removed the license plate and then hid it down the small of his back. (American Terrorist, page 213). Hiding the license plate that way explained why Nichols, who was right there with him, didnât know that McVeigh had removed the license plate from the get-away car.
If a third person had been there too, then maybe that person caused the license plate to be removed, which eventually prompted a policeman to stop McVeigh soon after the bombing. For reasons of his own, McVeigh might have preferred to say that he himself had removed the license plate without Nicholsâ knowledge rather than reveal the involvement of the third person. McVeigh further explained that he left the plate in the Herington storage unit.
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On Monday, April 17, McVeigh was supposed to pick up the Ryder truck at 4 p.m. He had made a point of telling the Ryder employees that he expected the truck to be ready at that time. McVeigh called a taxi cab, which drove him to a McDonaldâs restaurant located about a mile and a quarter from the Ryder rental office. When the taxi driver dropped McVeigh off there, it was raining so hard that he could barely see well enough to drive. A security camera in the restaurant recorded that McVeigh approached the counter to order a meal at 3:58.
A few minutes later, McVeigh and (the office employees said) "John Doe Two" walked into the Ryder office and completed the transaction to rent the truck. Much later, McVeigh remarked to the authors of American Terrorist the coincidence that the receipt was marked with the time 4:19, numerically coinciding precisely with the imminent bombing date of April 19 (pages 213-214).
Since he had just eaten a snack at McDonaldâs, there was no need for him to drive his rented truck there now. Instead, he drove the truck back to his motel and rested.
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Very early, 4:30 a.m., on Tuesday, April 18, McVeigh got up, drove the truck to the storage unit in Herington. Nichols was not there when McVeigh began loading the truck. The 108 50-pound bags got loaded onto the truck and all got poured into the 13 barrels, without Nichols being present. McVeigh said he did all that by himself. Not until the drums needed to be loaded onto the truck did Nichols arrive. It seems that Nichols thought his help wasnât needed, but it turned out that he did have to help load the drums onto the truck. McVeigh said that he and Nichols then drove to Geary Lake and, just the two of them, spent the rest of the morning mixing the chemicals and finishing the bomb in the back of the Ryder truck. After that, McVeigh said, he alone drove to Oklahoma City and blew up the truck on the morning of Wednesday, April 19.
He jumped in his get-away car and sped away. Soon afterwards, a policeman stopped McVeigh for driving without a license plate. Otherwise McVeigh would have disappeared.
Exactly one week earlier, on April 12, Michael Fortier assumed that the bombing would not happen, because not even one person would help McVeigh do it. As it turned out on April 19, though, McVeigh had more help blowing up the building than even he knew.
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Without intending offense to anyone living or dead, to my possibly oversensitive nose any such stories about grand conspiriacys (sp?) have the odor of tinfoil beanie about them. At least without a lot more corroborating evidence. One does not need to be an Izzoid or an ally/puppet of the Izzoids to be a homicidal Kook.
If you care to remember, people from my end of the political spectrum felt about Clinton about the same way the LLL feels about President Bush. We right wing kooks just happen to be less prone to giant puppets, and more likely to have some real ability.
I hope I'm not misusing Occam's Shaving Kit.
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Tim McVeigh's actions have their origin in the Gingrich--right Wing nutz--I think he was a GOP operative if anything
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NMM, maybe you're really Bill Crinton.
He was the one who blamed it on Christian RW militias and ...Rush Limbaugh!
McVeigh's actions have their origins in becoming a Muslim.
There's much to suggest that OKC was AQ's first assault on American soil.
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WHILE Washington is looking for ways to adjust its strategy in Iraq, Tehran seems to be preparing to "settle scores" with it by preventing the emergence of a pro-American regime in Baghdad. The Iranian leadership appears confident about its chances to call the shots in Iraq. To test the waters, Iran on Wednesday dispatched its deputy foreign minister, Hussein Sadeqi, to Iraq with the mission to negotiate an end to the stand-off between the U.S.-led Coalition and gangs of Shiite rebels in Baghdad and Najaf.
For almost a quarter of a century, Saddam Husseinâs Baâathist regime had been a threat to Iranâs Khomeinist rulers. Saddam had failed to topple the Khomeinists with an eight-year war in which he had the support of Western powers - including, at one time, the United States. In the last 12 years of his rule, the Iraqi dictator had been unable to pursue his duel with the mullahs of Tehran in a serious way. Nevertheless, the mullahs continued to consider Saddam as a strategic enemy who, given another chance, would resume his campaign against them. Thus it is no exaggeration to say that Tehran was as glad as Washington to see Saddam go. But his removal created another, potentially more dangerous, threat to the Khomeinists: the emergence in Iraq of a democratic system in which the Shiites would play the central role.
The Tehran leadership know that Iraq has the potential to create such a system - but also that it cannot be built overnight. The mullahs also know that U.S. commitment is the key factor in deciding whether Iraq will build a new democratic state or plunge into chaos, civil war and (possibly) disintegration. So the Tehran mullahs have been asking, "When will the Americans cut and run?" The question was raised by the leadership in Tehran days after the entry of the U.S.-led Coalition forces in Baghdad. Today, it is being asked with even greater urgency. The first attempt at an answer was made by Ali Khamenei, the Islamic Republicâs "Supreme Guide," only days after the Baâathist regime had been toppled. He predicted that the loss of 500 U.S. soldiers would force America to "escape from Iraq post-haste." Since then, the Khomeinist leaders have refrained from that type of numbers game. But they remain confident that the United States will be driven out of Iraq "humiliated and chastised." To achieve that, they have devised a strategy of destabilizing Iraq without provoking direct confrontation with America.
A rare insight into Tehranâs thinking was offered April 9 by Hashemi Rafsanjani, a mullah often regarded as the Khomeinist regimeâs "strongman." In a sermon on the campus of Tehran University, Rafsanjani ignored religious themes to focus on "the imminent settling of scores" between America and Iran. "The weaker the U.S. becomes, the stronger [our regime in] Iran," he said. "We have some scores with America that must be settled one day." Rafsanjani based his analysis on the premise that the United States has already failed in Iraq and presented 32 "reasons" to back that claim. "The U.S. has been exposed as an empty drum," Rafsanjani said. "The Americans are wondering what to do: Stay [in Iraq], or cut and run?"
He praised Saddam Husseinâs "strategy of distributing arms among 6 million Iraqis" on the eve of the war. "These people have enough arms and ammunitions for six months," Rafsanjani claimed. That indicates Tehranâs belief that various armed groups in Iraq will be able to maintain a level of insecurity in Iraq right to the eve of the American presidential election in November. Rafsanjani also praised the group known as the Jaish al-Mahdi (The Messianic Army) led by Muqtada Sadr, a junior mullah of Iranian origin, as "passionate young men with epic courage." He also revealed that Iran has created an Iraqi branch of the Hezbollah (Party of God) in Iraq. "The [Iraqi] Hezbollah was fighting a resistance against Saddam," Rafsanjani said. "And today it has an iron-like organization." Word that Iran had created an underground branch of the Hezbollah in Iraq is of special interest. It shows that the Khomeinist leaders, while supporting mainstream Iraqi Shiite opposition groups, including the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq and the Ad-Dawah (The Call) Party, had made sure to have another Shiite card up their sleeves.
One aim of the troubles provoked by Muqtada Sadr may well be to wreck U.S. efforts to promote a unified Iraqi Shiite front as the central plank of a future Iraqi state. Tehran knows that the Iraqi Shiites, if united, would no longer need Iranian patronage - and might emerge as an ideological rival to the regime in Tehran. Iran has practiced the policy of never putting all its eggs in a single basket on other occasions. In early 1980s Lebanon, Tehran split the Shiite community by creating the Hezbollah against the Amal movement. Then, in the 1990s, Tehran encouraged two breakaway factions in Hezbollah itself. In Afghanistan, Tehran balanced support for various groups so as to prevent them from uniting with a strategy that might reduce the importance of Iranian patronage for each. At one point, Iran was supporting both Ismail Khan, the "emir of Herat," and the Hazara groups nibbling at the area under his control. In Tajikistan, Iran split the Islamist movement into three factions before making a deal with the neo-communist government in Doshanbeh.
In Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States, for reasons of its own, destroyed the two regimes that Tehran regarded as its own most dangerous ideological enemies in the region. Now Tehranâs ambition is to emerge as the kingmaker in both Kabul and Baghdad. The Iranian analysis is simple: The Americans do not have the political stamina to stay the course in Iraq. Negative polls could force President Bush to withdraw his troops into bases in the Iraqi desert, allowing the cities to fall under the control of Iraqi armed groups. In such a scenario, pro-Saddam groups would seize control of the so-called Sunni Triangle while Shiite groups beholden to Iran would dominate central and southern Iraq, leaving the Kurds cantoned in their two mountainous enclaves.
The Tehran leadership is also certain that John Kerry, if elected, will abandon Bushâs plans for a "democratic" Middle East. "The United States has become vulnerable," Rafsanjani told his cheering audience in Tehran. "The Americans do not know which way to turn." Behind the scenes of revolt in parts of Iraq lies the broader picture of the war that various brands of Islamism have waged against the United States for almost a quarter of a century. Tehran leaders believe that the U.S. defeat in Vietnam enabled China to establish itself as the rising power in Asia. They hope that a U.S. defeat in Iraq will give the Islamic Republic a similar opportunity to become what Rafsanjani calls "the regional superpower." The Khomeinist mullahs believe that an American defeat in Iraq will destabilize all Arab regimes, leaving the Islamic Republic as the only power around which a new status quo could be built in the region. "Here is our opportunity to teach the Americans a lesson," Rafsanjani said. Well, that might also work the other way round.
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"The Tehran leadership is also certain that John Kerry, if elected, will abandon Bushâs plans for a 'democratic' Middle East."
And by deliberately conveying this false impression in a cynical bid for political gain, John Kerry has made himself personally accountable for the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers and placed their entire mission in danger of failing.
Neither John Kerry nor any of the other Democrats who ran in the primaries (except, perhaps, poor little Dippy Dennis) actually believes so much as a single word of the anti-war, anti-administration bullshit they've been slinging. These aren't stupid people, and they know goddamn well what we're doing in Iraq, why we're doing it, why it's necessary, and exactly how it fits into our overall strategy. They aren't idiots, even though they may appear to be.
If John Kerry were elected he would continue the Bush policy, which he's now doing his utmost to undermine, with little or no alteration. And by conveying the impression that he'd cut and run, he's actively encouraging our enemies.
I'll say this much for the bastard: he seems very comfortable in the role of traitor.
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The weaker the U.S. becomes, the stronger Iran.
And vice-versa.
We have some scores with America.
And vice-versa.
Here is our opportunity to teach the Americans a lesson.
And vice-versa.
The Americans are wondering what to do: Stay in Iraq, or cut and run?
And if America decides to stay, then Iran is wondering what to do.
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Dave D, If Kerry is elected president he will do to the Iraq what he (and/or his buddy Ted Kennedy) did to the South Vietnam.
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Obviously Iranian, Syrian, and SA don't think they have to worry about their actions. Time to put a skeer into them. That time I hope is coming. Prepare the ground and lets get to an end game. Islam rise up and go 10th century on us. Cowardly, stupid followers of fakeness.
Sunday, a Sunni Kurd was named as the top general in Iraqâs fledgling post-Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) military, with a Sunni Arab as chief of staff and a Shiâite Arab as his deputy.
This past week the enemy has made a grave mistake by coming out of the nocturnal shadows to face at last the American soldier in daylight and in a shooting war he cannot win. Indeed, all that stands between the Iraqi insurgents and their own annihilation is our own sense of American self-restraint and doubt. In his latest boring fatwa, Bin Laden is asking for termsâworse still, mimicking the American Leftâs litany of hatred against Halliburton, oil companies, Zionists, Israel, and the associated bogey-men who, he thinks, have exiled him to his cave. Mr. Sadr is sending mixed messages from his Arafat-like rubble pile. Those in Fallujah claim they suddenly prefer a cease-fire to paradise. None of these ogres are conciliatory because they like us, but rather because they are only now beginning to fear usâand they are beginning to fear us only because the American military is far better than they and if let loose will make short work of them all. snip
At a time when bin Laden assured the Middle East that Americans were weak and decadent, the US military tore apart the most fanatical and savage fighters of a savage Middle Eastâthe only reprieve came from diplomats who fretted about the rhetoric of the hapless Arab Street. Far better than we at home, our soldiers grasped that fighting fascists for consensual government is a noble cause and should have been the source of great pride among the American people.
Far better than we at home, our soldiers grasped that fighting fascists for consensual government is a noble cause and should have been the source of great pride among the American people.
It is a source of great pride among a great many of us.
Too bad that doesn't include the Dems (with a few notable exceptions), the "mainstream" media, Hollywood, and the rest of the LLL. *spit* May they all rot in hell.
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I reckon that for the ultimate health and safety of this nation one American Marine in Fallujah is worth more than the entire 9-11 board of inquiry in Washingtonâ....
Eleven US soldiers were killed in clashes in bloodletting across Iraq, a US newspaper and the military said. Oman times might be off, 5 US marines and at least 10 Iraqis killed was reported from NON-ARABIC papers
A reporter for the St Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper wrote that dozens of Iraqis were killed along with the five marines in 14 hours of fighting on Saturday in western Iraq near the Syrian border. Marine intelligence told the reporter travelling with the marines that nearly 300 Iraqi fighters launched an offensive, setting off a roadside bomb to lure marines from their base and then firing 24 mortar rounds. âIt doesnât feel real. It doesnât look real,â Lance Corporal Dustin Myshrall told the newspaper. At least nine marines were wounded and more than 20 Iraqi fighters were captured and taken to the main marine base near the western town of Al Qaim.
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Since Sadr's thugs haven't respected restraint and "cessation of offensive activities" on our part, perhaps we should take the occasion of his unilateral ceasefire to take Fallujah, al Najaf, al Kut, and al the rest and kill every one of his blackshirts that we can find. A holy rat shoot.
That's comforting...
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who is seeking to improve ties with the West, says his government would sign an international treaty banning torture. He also said "normal criminal law procedure" should replace current "revolutionary court" law and Libya should play a "leading international role in defending human rights". Addressing lawyers and judges, he praised Amnesty International and other human rights groups for attacking the use of torture by governments -- without saying if he included his own. "We deeply regret these fascist actions practised by governments across the world against citizens and foreigners," he said on the use of torture, in remarks reported by state news agency Jana on Sunday. In its 2003 report on Libya Amnesty said: "Reports of torture continued to be received; no investigations were known to have been carried out. Legislation remained in force criminalising non-violent political activities and providing for unfair trials." Amnesty said torture remained common in detention centres and said relatives were told dozens of prisoners had died in prison, but were not informed of the cause of death.
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Mo is really getting into the PR makeover thing since he found Jesus got woke up before boomed became more aware of humanity. Hope that he is not calling up his nasty friends any more. At least he is singing a good song.
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Nobody has any fingernails in Libya anymore?
Besides that last batch of electrodes imported from the "Kim Jong-Il Party Favors Factory", in North Korea, was defective.
FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - A black-garbed Iraqi gunman slinked over a rooftop and shimmied down a palm tree, pausing for a few seconds to grab a rifle from a comrade. A few blocks away, on another rooftop, a Marine sniper squeezed a trigger and shot the man in the leg. A second shot into his chest killed him, throwing his body out of the tree. The man became Sgt. Sean Crane's 11th kill in Fallujah.
The front lines in the siege of Fallujah are the realm of snipers, as riflemen on both sides of the fight seize the high points of the streetscape. The snipers have been operating even during an uneasy truce over the past week. Lying flat-bellied on rooftops or leaning over rifles poking out of second-floor windows in darkened rooms, Marine snipers pick off gunmen darting across streets. And Iraqi riflemen fire at U.S. positions from buildings and mosque minarets.
Residents of Fallujah have lived in terror of the Marine snipers and have blamed them for civilian deaths, particularly during heavy fighting in the first week after the siege began April 5. Iraqis said it seemed that just stepping outside or looking out a window at the wrong time could draw sniper fire.
The Marine offensive to crush Sunni insurgents in this Euphrates River city has killed five Marines and more than 600 Iraqis, mostly civilians, according to hospital sources. The push was stopped on April 9 to allow for negotiations. But Marines continue to defend their positions, responding to fire but also attacking to break up insurgent movements that could threaten them.
Crane leads a squad of Marine snipers posted along a row of houses on the city's northern edge. "If the enemy is taking to the rooftops, you want to be on high ground, too," he said. A mound of freshly turned earth in a dark alley below his post marked a shallow grave where he buried a gunman he shot in the street below. Crane, 30, from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and his team spend hours scanning streets and rooftops through powerful scopes that pick up body heat, outlining the shape of a figure in darkness.
Long shots, sometimes at distances of 1,000 yards, have to be finely adjusted to account for wind, temperature, barometric pressure and distortions from sunlight, shadows and waves of heat from the ground. The calculations have to be split-second. Snipers sometimes guess wind speed, for example, by the movement of blowing trash.
One Marine rifleman missed an insurgent sniper - considered a No. 1 target - because of poor depth perception through a high-powered scope. The Iraqi gunman was casually walking across a rooftop, and he slowly brought a Soviet-made sniper rifle up to aim as though he were a farmer readying to take a few shots from his back porch for fun, said Sgt. Ryan Warden, 28, who was watching the man's movements. His partner fired twice but missed. "I wanted to end his life that day, but it didn't happen," said Warden, from Birmingham, Ala. "He had no idea we were on to him."
In Fallujah, Warden had his first confirmed kill. "I thought it would feel weird, but it didn't," he said. "It probably changed me in some way, or made me appreciate life more," added Warden, who gave up a career as a model to re-enlist as a Marine Corps sniper - something his fellow riflemen tease him about.
A halt to the Marine offensive has created challenges for the team. Snipers prefer to change positions after a few shots to keep their posts secret so gunmen can't hone in on them. But now troops are prevented from advancing beyond the street that marks their front line. That also means insurgents learn which streets to avoid. "For the first few days, we were hitting five a day," Crane said. "The word is out. It's tapered off to ones and twos."
In Fallujah, Marine snipers set up rifles in front of small holes knocked out of walls with sledge hammers. Others hunker down at the corners of windows, where they've drawn shut curtains and positioned bookcases and other furniture to block light that might reveal their silhouette. Iraqi gunmen are often hit in the early morning and early evening, as they travel to and from points of attack on U.S. forces. Some have done combat dive rolls across streets or hidden behind civilians to try to avoid being hit, Marines said.
Go, Marines!
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The Marine offensive to crush Sunni insurgents in this Euphrates River city has killed five Marines and more than 600 Iraqis, mostly civilians, according to hospital sources.
Were they civilians before or after you took the rifles and ammo off their corpse?
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Hard to tell an "insurgent" from a civ when they've been cleaned of weapons.
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They are simply Damn Good Rat Killers! Keep it up..........
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"The Marine offensive to crush Sunni insurgents in this Euphrates River city has killed five Marines and more than 600 Iraqis, mostly civilians, according to hospital sources."
Outrageous. If the president says the White House is white, the press would spend a few days confirming the claim before mentioning it. But here they endlessly echo a very dubious and highly inflammatory charge without any qualification or confirmation. For starters, where are the 1,200 to 1,800 wounded we would expect to accompany the 600 dead? Oh -- thought so.
Meanwhile, sad as it is, there might be some darwinian culling going on in Fallujah, if this part of the report is accurate:
"Residents of Fallujah have lived in terror of the Marine snipers and have blamed them for civilian deaths, particularly during heavy fighting in the first week after the siege began April 5. Iraqis said it seemed that just stepping outside or looking out a window at the wrong time could draw sniper fire."
Imagine that. "Just stepping outside or looking out a window" in the midst of a wild fire-fight in which some of the participants are shooting out doors and through windows might draw fire. Those savage trigger-happy US Marines ....
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The Marine offensive to crush Sunni insurgents in this Euphrates River city has killed five Marines and more than 600 Iraqis, mostly civilians, according to hospital sources.
We spend untold thousands of dollars meticulously training military snipers to readily distinguish combatants from civilians. No sniper worth his salt could make so many mistakes and still be permitted to hold their post.
For starters, where are the 1,200 to 1,800 wounded we would expect to accompany the 600 dead?
Bingo, IceCold! The degree of alleged incompetence implied by such a statement would explicitly demand huge numbers of non-fatal hits. Where are they?
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two Iraqi civilians were killed and four Iraqi civilians, two U.S. civilian contractors and one Soldier were wounded during a 122-milimeter-rocket attack on a Coalition base camp here at approximately 10 a.m. April 16. The Iraqi civilian casualties occurred when some of the rockets fell shy of the camp. A 1st Cavalry Division spokesman condemned the attack.
CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq - Dialogue continued April 17 between representatives of the Coalition Provisional Authority, senior coalition military leaders and a delegation of civic leaders from Fallujah. Marines adjusted the cordon around Fallujah April 17 to allow ambulances and medical personnel greater access to the general hospital in a deliberate effort to enhance the medical capabilities of the city. Throughout Operation Vigilant Resolve, Marines have consistently allowed food, medical and humanitarian supplies into the city. Marines also assisted in the transportation and distribution of these supplies while maintaining a cordon around Fallujah.
Marines from the 1st Marine Division surrounded the city nearly two weeks ago. They battled against enemy forces responsible for attacking Coalition forces in the vicinity of Fallujah. Marines in the city have suspended offensive operations in order to facilitate talks between the CPA, coalition military representatives and civic leaders from Fallujah.
Near Ar Ramadi Soldiers with the 1st Brigade Combat Team serving under the 1st Marine Division detained four individuals during a cordon and sweep operation. They confiscated two AK-47 rifles, one bolt-action rifle, one shotgun, 800 7.62 mm rounds and 965 mortar primers. Soldiers in Khalidiyah conducted a coordinated raid on a suspected terrorist cell and detained six suspected of planning and participating in anti-Coalition activities.
TIKRIT, Iraq - Iraqi Civil Defense Corps soldiers captured a suspected anti-Coalition leader near Tikrit at about 2:30 a.m. April 18. The individual, Hakeem Badour Khalaf, has been implicated in the deaths or injuries of at least three people, including two U.S. soldiers and an interpreter. He was detained and transported to a nearby Coalition base for questioning.
Usual disclaimer, salt needed, waiting for another source, etc, etc...
DEBKAfile reports exclusively: Abu al-Walid al Ghamdi, Saudi al Qaeda commander in Chechnya, has been killed in undisclosed circumstances. Known also as Emir al-Walid, he dispatched Chechen contingent to Iraqi Sunni Triangle to fight with insurgents, including Fallujah. Al-Ghamdi also selected Saudi and Gulf al Qaeda units for combat in Iraq under his command. His death is major blow for al Qaeda's Iraq operation and Chechen involvement.
It'd be nice to see some confirmation. If it's true, that'll be a second day of ululation for Rantburgers...
From the Daily Telegraph... Identical wording in News.com.au...
THE commander of Arab fighters in Chechnya, Saudi Abdul Aziz al-Ghamdi (alias Abul Walid), has died in the war-torn Russian republic, a family member said today. Ghamdi's brother said the family, based in the eastern city of Dammam, had received news of his "martyrdom" this morning, but did not say how he had died. The Saudi website Islam Today said Ghamdi had "been hit (stabbed or shot) in the back" while preparing for prayers on Friday.
Reuters (thanks to Lux)... Looking better...
Russian troops have killed four Chechen rebels linked to guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev near Chechnya this weekend, capping a week-long crackdown on separatists in the turbulent Caucasus region. The leader of Arab fighters in Muslim Chechnya, Saudi-born Abu al-Waleed al-Ghamdi with close links to Basayev, was among those killed there in recent days, his brother said on Sunday.
That'd be the above reports...
More than 10 rebels, including Wahhabi militants, were killed in planned "special operations" by Russian troops in the mountainous region last week, news agencies reported.
And that'd be the Vostok battalions and OMON, below...
Heavy gunfire in the village of Ordzhonikidzevskaya -- just over the border from Chechnya in mainly Muslim Ingushetia -- started on Saturday and ended early Sunday after troops sealed off a house where they said important rebels were holed up. "These people, acting on Basayev's orders...were involved in recruiting and training young women from various regions in the North Caucasus with an aim to turn them into suicide bombers," Ilya Shabalkin, spokesman for the Russian military in the Caucasus, told Itar-Tass news agency.
Among those reported killed was 27-year-old Magomed Khazhiyev, a religious leader of an ultra-radical Islamic Wahhabi community in Ingushetia's Sunzhensky region. In a separate operation early on Sunday, Russian troops killed a Wahhabi militant in the Chechen capital Grozny who Russian security services said could be linked to a suicide bomb attack on Ingush President Murat Zyazikov on April 6, Tass said. Zyazikov was not killed in that attack. Late on Sunday, a train carrying oil products came under fire in Chechnya and immediately caught fire, Interfax news agency reported.
The accounts hold together nicely, but still just that single source...
Here's the Islam OnLine version... Abdul Aziz Al-Ghamdi, the commander of Arab fighters in Chechnya, has been killed, a family member confirmed Sunday, April 18. A brother of Ghamdi, aka Abul Walid, said the family had received news of his martyrdom Sunday morning, but did not say how the 34-year-old commander had died, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). The Saudi website Islam Today said Ghamdi had "been hit in the back" while preparing for prayers on Friday, April 16, adding the incidents took place in one of the camps of the mujahedeen fighting the Russian occupation forces in Chechnya. The brother, who asked not to be named, told AFP the family were receiving condolences at their home.
I think I'll break out another bottle of cheap champagne...
He said Abul Walid, who was married to a Chechen, had been in Chechnya for the past six years and had also fought then-Soviet forces in Afghanistan during the 1980s. Chechnya's pro-Russian President Akhmad Kadyrov said he had no knowledge of the death. "There are major special operations under way in Chechnya, in the regions of Vedeno, Nojay-Yurt and Chelkovskoy, but no information so far concerning the death of Abul Walid," Kadyrov was quoted as saying by Ria-Novosti news agency. The agency quoted a Russian military source as saying that Ghamdi may have been killed in a missile attack in recent days. "There is no information about his death, but the situation will become clearer in the coming days," the source said. Abul Walid, succeeded Arab commander Khattab, also Saudi-born, after he was killed two years ago.
His successor will be a Soddy, too. Who do you think is really running things in Chechnya?
Khattab, whose real name was Thamer bin Saleh al-Suwailem, and who fought with Arab fighters against Moscow's troops in Chechnya, was killed in March 2002. Russia's intelligence agency FSB, the former KGB, said the following month that it had killed Khattab during an undercover operation that lasted more than a year and played on internal divisions among Chechen fighters. According to Chechen fighters, Khattab died five minutes after receiving a poisoned letter, which had been delivered by a messenger known to him. Russia claimed Khattab had links to Saudi-born Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network. A Chechen group later said its members killed the man blamed for the slaying of Khattab.
Of course.
And from the Arab Times (but via Reuters)...
The leader of Arab fighters in Chechnya, Saudi-born Abu al-Waleed al-Ghamdi, was killed in the rebel Russian region a few days ago, his brother said on Sunday. Abu al-Waleed is said by the Kremlin to be among those behind February's bombing of the Moscow underground. "My brother has been martyred," Abdullah al-Saeed al-Ghamdi told Reuters by telephone from the Saudi capital Riyadh. "We don't have any details but we know he was killed recently," he added. "We received the news yesterday and now people are coming to congratulate us on his martyrdom."
"Congratulations. He's dead."
In Russia, a spokesman for the state security service, Federal Security Service, declined to comment. Pro-Moscow Chechen leader Akhmad Kadyrov said there was a "real possibility" that Abu al-Waleed had been killed. "Those who offered armed resistance (in the past week) have been killed. In particular, more than 10 rebels have been killed in Vedensky region near village Tazen-Kale and Ersenoi. Among them were fighters who looked like Arab fighters. That is why it is impossible to rule out Abu al-Waleed was among them," Kadyrov was quoted as saying by Itar-Tass news agency. On Sunday, Russian news agencies said troops had killed four Chechen rebels linked to guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev in a shootout with militants near the Chechen border.
Jihad Unspun sez he's a deader, too...
It has been confirmed that Sheikh al-Qaaid Abdul Aziz Al-Ghamidi, also known as Abu Waleed, leader of the Islamic Chechen Resistance was killed yesterday after Maghrib. We ask Allah (swt) to accept all his great deeds and to accept him as Shaheed. There appears to be suspicious circumstances surrounding his death and no one yet is clear about what exactly happened. Al-Jazeeraâs special source said that they are not sure who did this operation whether it was a group who were against Chechyna and attached to the Russian secret services. The news of his death was confirmed by his mother via telephone. She said her son loved the deen, and Allah and his Messenger. Abu Waleed, a Saudi national took over leadership of the Chechen Mujahideen after Ibn Ul-Khattab, the previous Commander, was poisoned by the Russians almost two years ago.
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So, would some kind Rantbourgeois explain to me why we don't have common cause with Russia on this? And please no .com spew
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I'll give it a shot, NMM--I'm not sure why, even though I think we should get with Russia on this fight as I'm convinced it's Al Queda-linked.
The only reason I can think of is that, like Kosovo, the Islamists joined with geniune Chechen "freedom fighters" a few years ago and militarized the cause.
The official position the US has taken on this is that Putin was whipping ass on his own people for their "righteous struggle."
In the future, I strongly feel that we will need to join Chechnya to the WOT and clean out the Pankisi Gorge.
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nice pic - looks like Tiny Tim with a glue-on beard
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So, has Jesse Hi Jackson volunteered to go over and negotiate for the release, or is the actionin Iraq too hot for him to travel.
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Heard on the radio yesterday that Jackson made a bid for free press coverage offered to shove his face where it's not wanted help with negotiations.
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Let's make noises that Jesse is going to Iraq. Pick a meeting place on neutral ground. Get a mess of Tater Tots there. Then Arc Light it off the face of the planet!
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Six persons were killed and four others injured in an ambush at Samang in the Sheringal area on Saturday. Muhammad Khan of Doogdara and companions were attacked by unidentified assailants. Mr Khanâs companions retaliated. As a result, six people including one attacker died instantly while four were injured. Two of the injured were taken to Peshawar in a critical condition. The names of the deceased are Badshah Ghani, Usman Ghani, Shehinshah, Altaf Hussain, Fazl Malik and Lal Badshah.
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Army officials on Saturday arrested a suspected terrorist who tried to enter President Musharrafâs camp office in Rawalpindi and ran his car into a constable on duty, killing him instantly. Police constable Mohammad Naheed signalled a yellow cab to stop at a picket outside the Army House but the cab driver sped down the road and rammed his vehicle into the constable. Army officials intercepted him a few metres inside the Army House and took him to an undisclosed location for questioning.
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The government has extended by three months the detention of four former officials of Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL), arrested three months ago on suspicion of involvement in nuclear proliferation, sources told Daily Times on Saturday. Hassamul Haq, brother of Maj Islamul Haq, confirmed that he was verbally informed about a three-month extension in the detention of his brother. Maj Haq was the principal secretary to Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan when he was arrested on January 17, 2004. Usman Nazir, son of detained nuclear scientist Dr Nazir, also talked about similar verbal reports about an extension in his fatherâs detention. However, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan expressed ignorance of any such extension. âThere is nothing in my knowledge on this matter. We will pass on the information to you as soon as we get it,â he added.
"Let me get back to you on that..."
Former KRL director security Brig (r) Sajawal, and nuclear scientist Dr Farooq, are also in detention. The government recently released three associates of Dr Khan, nuclear scientist Naseemuddin Ahmed, KRL security chief Brig (r) Iqbal Tajwar and businessman Aizaz Jafery. The federal government had issued a written notification on January 31, 2004, that the KRL officials would remain under detention for a period of three months for questioning. âAccording to that notification, the detention period has expired on April 17,â Hassamul Haq said. The case against the detention of the KRL officials is pending in the Supreme Court.
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Senior Pakistani, US and Afghan military officials agreed on Saturday to strengthen their coordination in the fight against terrorism and Pakistani cross-frontier infiltration in the region. They met within the framework of a tripartite commission that was established in April 2003 and held its seventh session in Rawalpindi. âThe commission was briefed on the functioning of tactical radio communications links among military commanders on both sides of the border to enhance their coordination capabilities,â it said. âA basic communications network has been established and will be expanded.â Pakistani officials briefed the meeting on its biggest operation against suspected Al Qaeda militants in South Waziristan in March during which around 124 soldiers, militants and civilians were killed in fierce clashes. The statement said the US and Afghan officials briefed the meeting on the progress of the joint Afghan National Army and US-led coalition military cooperation in the eastern, southeastern and southern regions of Afghanistan.
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The Zalikhel tribe said on Saturday that the tribal lashkar (army) will start operations against the five wanted tribesmen and their supporters today (Sunday). A tribal jirga once again urged the wanted men hiding in the area to give themselves up or face being hunted down by the lashkar, which would begin operations in Shah Alam, 18 kilometres west of Wana. The jirga said the operation would be halted if the wanted men surrendered before its launch. Meanwhile, Marez Khan, a wanted man of the Ghulamkhel tribe, took advantage of Saturdayâs deadline to give himself up to the tribal jirga.
âWe are ready to dispatch a 2,000-strong lashkar for decisive action against the five men if they ignore our demand to surrender,â tribal elder Malik Bakhan said. Local administration official Rehmatullah Wazir said if the tribesmenâs offensive was unsuccessful âthe military is ready to launch an operation against the wanted menâ. The government has decided to launch a fresh operation in South Waziristan Agency, likely to begin in the last week of April.
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A Sunni group yesterday made common cause with nutcase fiery Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr as captors of a US soldier demanded the release of fighters being held by US-led forces in Iraq in exchange for his life. Mohamed Ayash Al-Kubaisi, representative of the Muslim Clerics Association, told Al-Arabiya television that all Iraqis resisting the US-led occupation were working toward the same goal, including Sadr. âWe support him (Sadr) and he supports us in this resistance. We are in one boat and are responsible for protecting this boat,â Kubaisi said, adding his group has issued fatwas for ending the occupation. âIraqis are aware that itâs not in our interests to compete for sectarian gains. The Shiite resistance... strengthens our will as we are both fighting the same enemy.â
Sadrâs supporters in Najaf said mediation efforts with the US-led coalition had failed and they feared American troops were poised to attack. âMediations with the US side have been halted because the mediators have told us the Americans are putting obstacles toward finding solutions to the crisis and the situation is getting worse,â Qais Al-Khazaali, the head of Sadrâs office told reporters in Najaf. âWe are expecting the Americans to attack Najaf any moment now,â he said.
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It's helpful for these people to remove any doubt as to which side they're on. It simplifies the targeting process. Since the Islamicists accuse us of using Israeli tactics, they should consider the recent examples of Yassin and Rantisi. When the storm finally breaks, it will be "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."
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Obviously the Israeli tactics are quite successful. Any time that the the clerics and the paleos moan and wail about the evil Israelis, that is the time you take notes on what the IDF did and apply it to your ops.
The Muslim Clerics Association still cracks me up. Now they are in the fatwa cranking mode. We are facing a tall order. If Iraq can even halfway go about its business without consulting the clerics on everything, then the clerics and their medieval system is doomed, and they know it.
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Mahmoud Zahar: A Hamas spokesman, the 53-year-old Zahar is considered a hard-liner. Zahar was the personal physician of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin, who was killed by the Israelis on March 22. Zahar served as Hamas' liaison with the PLO in the mid-1990s but now opposes compromise with the Palestinian Authority. Zahar has been imprisoned by Israel and has been jailed repeatedly by the Palestinian Authority.
Ismail Haniyeh: A top aide to Yassin and like Zahar he is a member of Hamas' decision-making political bureau. Haniyeh is considered more pragmatic, although he and other Hamas leaders all advocate the destruction of Israel. Haniyeh is Hamas' go-between with the Palestinian Authority.
Khaled Mashaal: Mashaal, a physics teacher born in the West Bank, oversees Hamas' political bureau from Damascus, Syria. Mashaal, in his late 40s, helped negotiate a truce last summer that temporarily halted Palestinians attacks on Israel. Israel has accused Mashaal of masterminding suicide bombings. In 1997, agents from Israel's Mossad injected him with poison darts in Jordan. He survived after Jordan's King Hussein coerced Israel into sending the antidote. In 1999, Mashaal was expelled from Jordan and moved to Syria.
Moussa Abu Marzook: Abu Marzook, in his early 50s, Mashaal's deputy in the political bureau. The U.S.-educated Abu Marzook, who holds a Ph.D. in industrial engineering, lived in the United States for 15 years. In 1995, he was detained by U.S. authorities on suspicion of involvement in terrorism. He was expelled to Jordan, and later sent by Jordan to Syria. Like Mashaal, Abu Marzook is unlikely to be targeted by Israel because of his location.
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All of whom have now taken a vow of anonymity: "You've never heard of me, cause I've never heard of myself"
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" I don't know who you are. "
" It's me, your son. "
" I don't have a son! That other guy that looks like me but isn't me has a son, but I don't! "
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Are these listed in targeting prioroty order?
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Shhhh - Its a secret (Only Masaad knows for sure) he he he
So now Israel has a cabal of four to creatively send to the 72 virgins. (Gee - that's 288 virgins.) The IDF has to keep up with public expectations of creative decapitations.
Of course they are still trying to outdo the original smote of Yasin.
The news reports reminded one of the Woody Allen Movie, "Sleeper" where a wheelchair bound leader was killed in an explosion, and only the nose remained.
An al-Qaida-linked terrorist cell recently dismantled in Jordan was plotting to detonate a chemical bomb capable of killing thousands of people and to attack the U.S. Embassy and prime minister's office with poison gas.
Doesn't seem to have been dismantled that well...
Officials close to the investigation told The Associated Press that several terror suspects arrested in Jordan last month have confessed the plots were hatched by Jordanian militant Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi. The officials said the terrorist cell was planning to attack Jordan's secret service — the General Intelligence Department — with a chemical bomb that would have killed as many as 20,000 people and caused large-scale destruction within a half-mile radius. Jordan's King Abdullah II said this week in a published letter of thanks to his intelligence chief, Gen. Saad Kheir, that the arrests of the terror cell members have "saved thousands of lives." In his letter, Abdullah said that had the chemical bomb plot not been uncovered, Jordan would have seen "a crime that would have been unprecedented in the country in terms of the size of explosives mounted on the vehicles and the methods of carrying out the attacks or the civilian locations chosen."
Perhaps unprecedented, period. It would be the largest attack by a terrorist organization in history.
On Saturday, the officials told the AP that the terror cell was also apparently planning to carry out simultaneous poison gas attacks against foreign diplomatic missions, including the heavily fortified U.S. Embassy in Amman, vital Jordanian public establishments like the prime minister's office and unspecified civilian targets. They declined to elaborate, but stressed the plot had been foiled with the arrests late last month and earlier this month of an unspecified number of terrorist suspects. Jordanian officials say the arrests occurred after suspected militants entered Jordan from neighboring Syria in at least three vehicles filled with explosives, detonators and raw material to be used in bomb-making. Syrian officials have denied the claims.
They had to come from somewhere, and it wasn't Greenland. They had to have procured the poison gas somewhere, and it wasn't Uruguay. The question in my mind — and I'd guess in the Jordanian intel guys' minds — is whether they cooked it themselves, in which case Syria should have noticed; whether they got it from Syrian stockpiles, in which case Syria has some questions to answer about its own WMD programs; or whether they got it from Sammy's stockpiles in Syria, which settles the question of where the WMD went, but opens the question of why Syria's been hiding them, and for whom.
Among those arrested last week were two Palestinian militants identified as Suleiman Darweesh and Muwafaq Adwan, thought to be close associates of al-Zarqawi. Another Palestinian militant, Azmi al-Jayoussi, is thought to be at large. Al-Zarqawi is suspected of connection to about a dozen high-profile attacks in Iraq, including the bombing of the U.N. headquarters in August and Shiite religious ceremonies last month. Moroccan authorities believe he may have helped guide the Madrid train bombings. U.S. and Jordanian law enforcement say he funded the Oct. 2002 assassination of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan. Jordan has been targeted by al-Qaida and other terrorists. Twenty-two Islamic extremists were convicted of plotting to attack U.S. and Israeli tourists during the kingdom's millennium celebrations.
Zarqawi was among their number. Al-Tawhid's original purpose in life was to establish an Islamist state in Jordan.
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I didn't even need to click on the link to know which group they meant.
Hint: starts with "a."
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Regardless of origin and method, the bottom line is that SYRIA provided active support, a base, and/or benign neglect for the terrorists. It sounds like we need to (or already have) perform the planning for a massive bombing campaign of the Bekaa valley, where the terrorist nests, arms, and weapons stockpiles are. If there is chem weapons there, the attack ought to deny the enemy their base due to the toxic nature of the terrain after the raid.
I think that reprocussions from the discovery will be far and wide, and will spell doom for Syria. I do not think that you will see much in the press about this in the near future. I do think that they will be busy preparing in Diego Garcia.
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Fearing another Pakistani army offensive, a 2,000-strong local militia began a sweep through mud-brick villages in their tribal homeland near the Afghan border Sunday, vowing to hunt down al-Qaida supporters and hand them over to the government. The tribal force headed off in two groups into lawless territory of South Waziristan, scene of a military operation last month that killed more than 120 people, including soldiers, militants and civilians. The government has threatened more tough military action if five tribesmen accused of harboring foreign terrorists don't surrender by Tuesday. The earlier two-week operation was no great shakes Pakistan's boldest since it joined the United States in the war on terrorism in late 2001. The offensive angered locals, as well as Islamic hard-liners and the political opposition. Just look at those turbans! How can they not fail?
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..Actually, look at the guy in white in the center of the row closest to the camera. He's Pakistani?
Mike
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Check out the guy that is diagonally to the left and right behind the single second row white hat. Yeah, the guy with the OD vest and the big black beard. That guy is going to need a special permit to wear that oversized turban on the road!
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By IBRAHIM BARZAK, AP
The militant group Hamas appointed a new chief in the Gaza Strip early Sunday, but refused to reveal his identity after Israel assassinated the second Hamas leader in less than a month. (cont.) Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Fill out Israelâs dance card, please!
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What a pity, the Israelis will be unable to write hois name on the missile fired at him.
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Let's play a game of Hangman, shall we? For those who never played Hangman, we'll call it Wheel of Misfortune. The category is Targeted Hamas Terrorists.
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Is this going to become a Arab reality show: "Who wants to be the Leader of Hamas."
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Since Israel knew exactly when the last Hamas chief would get into a specific car to go somewhere, then Israel will know the identity of the new Hamas chief.
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Sharon announces new assasination campaign on PLO (Possible Leadership Objectives).
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Now, why would Israel do this?
"Israel's Army Radio reported Mahmoud Zahar, second in command to Rantisi, had been appointed to oversee the group in Gaza, but Hamas officials refused to confirm the report."
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Looks like the Paleos are taking the Klan to a new level with those bomb belts. But that guy looks kinda short for a Grand Wizard, guess they are taking the office to a new level too. Less of a target for Sharon's missles perhaps.
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#8: Same idea, might as well wear the same getup.
#10: I called it right! Thought Zahar would be next in line to suck a rocket. Meshaal is the "real" head, but he's not in Gaza.
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The guy in the center bears a striking resemblance to Kleagle Byrd. Perhaps he's been getting fees for fashion consultations. What's next? Klan eye for the Arab Guy?
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"In jihad ... there are usually two outcomes, either martyrdom or victory," Mohammed Rantisi said. "In this case, he got martyrdom.
Time to trot out the old clue bat: Victory just isn't in the cards for you jihadist types. Get the message real soon or be prepared for extensive further martyring.
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You are one bloodthirsty mofo, Zipster!
Our military really missed out on not having you aboard for the WOT...It's not too late to enlist, you know.
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Hamas has lost dignity with this move. Dignity are very important in the arab culture. Since Hizbollah was helping Hamas post Yassin, Hizbollah has also lost dignity.
This will not be on the news. It is a Rantburg Exclusive no link available.
Rabbi Sholomo Riskin of Efrat was in Potomac Maryland this week. Among the things he spoke about was the relationship between the Jews of Efrat (the city is noted in the 5th chapter of Micah and is in on the P side of the Green line). On a number of occasions the Arabs in the area around Efrat have notified the Efrat security authorities of impending suicide bombers. Each time the bomber has been killed or caught. He said there are several local Imans who have told their followers to help stop suicide bombings. The local arabs and the Jews of Efrat have substantial commercial relations. He said the current situation is starting to be called âthe Oslo warâ by Israelis who realize that the Oslo agreement essentially paved the way for terrorism and for the harm to the Palestinian and Israeli economies (the former being by far the more severe).
Riskin hopes Bush will be reelected.
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It would be interesting if a referendum were held asking everyone in the paleo terrortories if they wanted to join Israel or an independant palestine. Of course it will never happen as long as the UN is involved.
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Because of their concerns about demographics, the Israelis are being placed in a position of advocating the peaceloving and Pro Israel palestinians be forced into living in what will likely be a Paleo thugocracy. Even more awful, there are many in Israel (this was actually in the Camp David and the Raba proposals) who want Israel to unilaterally cede a chunk of the Galilea and almost all of E Jerusalem to the Paleo thugocracy because of the predominant population of Moslems. A number of Moslem mayors have been interviewed and basically said, "no way are we going to be part of Arafat's domain".
I don't see any good way that this problem can be dealt with. It will probably be a messy situation.
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Why terrorist activity never originates in Jericho.
As I understand it the tribal and clan structure in Jericho is very strong and the leaders there have said 'no' to terror.
There are several yeshivas near Jericho and nothing ever happens to them. Possibly the tribe/clan gets a cut of the commerce and in return...
Hunkering down in a military base in Najaf as hostile Shiâite militiamen control the streets outside, the head of the U.S.-led administration in the Iraqi shrine city says even making a phone call is dangerous. "If you watch the movies you would think that life as a diplomat is all cocktail parties and receptions," Phil Kosnett said on Saturday in the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) headquarters inside a base defended by Salvadoran soldiers that has come under frequent mortar and sniper attack. "That is not what it is about," he said. "I have people who are civilian information technology or administrative contractors who have been out lugging machine gun ammunition at forward fighting positions. My people have exposed themselves to sniper fire so that they could make a satellite phone call."
The base has been virtually under siege ever since militiamen loyal to rebel Shiâite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr launched an uprising earlier this month. One Salvadoran soldier based in the city has been killed and several wounded. Sadr is holed up in Najaf protected by his militiamen and a 2,500-strong U.S. force has been sent to the outskirts of the city to confront him if talks on a peaceful solution fail. But even moderate Shiâite clerics have declared that if there is bloodshed in Najaf, there will be fury across Iraq. The Imam Ali shrine in Najaf and the nearby Kufa mosque are among the holiest sites in Shiâite Islam. "People are weary and anxious in anticipating the restoration of peace in the city. The great majority of Najafees were furious when Sadrâs militia took control of the city. They desperately want to see him gone," Kosnett said. "However, there is a great concern -- that coalition forces and the CPA share -- that Kufa mosque and the Shrine of Ali are not destroyed in the process."
Colonel Dana Pittard, head of the 3rd Brigade Task Force that has assembled just outside the city, went in to Najaf in a Spanish military convoy on Saturday to visit the beleaguered CPA base. Kosnett told him the situation in Najaf was explosive, and that Sadrâs militiamen were not in full control. "They are gunmen and thugs and many of them have come to town to take advantage of the situation. One of the most complicated elements of the situation is that Sadr does not have total control over all gunmen and thugs who are running around the streets of Najaf," he said. "If Sadr could be trusted to peaceful resolution of the crisis that would be one thing. Now it is very difficult to say what is going to happen." This doesnât look like a situation that can easily be solved.
How about "Sadr gives himself up, immediately and unconditionally, or you have to build a new shrine?"
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Sooner or later we're going to have to conquer our squeamishness and stop letting our respect for these people's hysterical sensibilities get in the way of our need to exert authority and control.
"But even moderate Shiâite clerics have declared that if there is bloodshed in Najaf, there will be fury across Iraq."
So tell these "moderate Shiâite clerics" that whoseoever among them counsels violence against us, will no longer be considered "moderate" and will hang alongside al-Sadr. And look that asshole Ayatollah Shitstaini right in the eye when you do it.
I'm getting tired of these goddamn savages and their primitive "religion" of death and stupidity, and I'm wondering how long it will be before a consensus emerges here that it's Islam itself--not some deviant, fanatical offshoot--that is the problem with the Arab world.
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That's very bad, all right. If your interlocutor in a negotiation doesn't have control over all his assets, it's questionable whether he's going to be able to make the commitment needed for the negotiation to succeed. On the other hand, this is another nail in Sadr's political coffin. First, he wasn't able to detonate a nationwide uprising. Secondly, he did irreparable damage to his image by backing down after all his bellicose talk and posturing. And now, it appears he can't even enforce law and order in the holiest city of the Shi'ites.
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Just to be in charge for one day.Walk up to the clerics,tell them give up thier little shit cleric or this mosque gets leveled in two minutes :)
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We appear to have Al Sadr under siege in Najaf. Sadr doesn't fart without Iranian direction.
The Marines have laid siege to Fallujah, Ramadi, Kut, and now Al Quaim on the Syrian border. All the roads east of Bahgdad are being closed.
This sound like a lot of containment waiting for resolution.
As Wrechard of the Belmont Club is asking, where is the entire US Army?
As Ted Kennedy might say, "Bush's 'Vietnam' now includes 'Cambodia' and 'Laos'"?
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Patience, folks. Sadr's underwear is going to get really ripe and no one's going to want to be around him.
A seige works for us -- we slowly, carefully tighten the noose, all the while "respecting" the "4th, 7th, and 193rd" holiest sites in the region. A thug sticks his up head -- KA-Pwing! -- head gone. Nail the thugs carefully with Marine/Army snipers, strictly control the traffic around the region, nothing in or out, and wait them out. Sooner or later the thugs, being thugs of course, will get tired of this and either a) quit or b) come at us. Either works.
Let's not succumb to the LLL levels of impatience. Slow, careful, methodical, leaving no doubt whatsoever as to the inevitable outcome. That will get everyone's attention. Including, especially, the Iranians.
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Hi John ... I think it is something of a containment strategy, but rather than being like Vietnam, I'd suggest it's more similiar in strategy to Korea, and I think Steve White's analysis is valid; we're engaging in containment, or attempting to do so, while waiting for the other guys to screw up and attack our cordon, where we then get to engage in attrition warfare, HOPEFULLY (and it's a pretty big hopefully, I admit) where there aren't going to be too many civilians caught in the crossfire.
Look at similiar situations in the last decade; the various Russian attempts to take Grozny resulted in tens of thousands of civilian casualties. The world doesn't expect anything better of the Russians; they will, however, judge us for how the human shields fare in this situation.
The Al Quaim situation suggests that the Syrians are trying to open up the supply lines. As Wretchard would say, Centcom is not talking about how successful the attempt is. (And I thought it was all the roads west of Baghdad are being closed, not east).
One Vietnam analogy I think is appropriate is that Syria and Iran have become the "elephant in the parlor" for both liberals and conservatives discussing the war. And that bothers the heck out of me.
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Right on Steve. New forces are on the way from what I hear. As for Syria it's the low hanging fruit and it seems that if you engage them that will hamper their proxy war in Iraq. I still hold onto the idea that it's the money men in SA that would really nip the jihadies but Syrian brigades are due for a bloody nose. That will take time to assemble the forces. Also heard (TV) that jihadies near the Syrian border went at US forces today.
Everybody here knows that Islamic culture is the sword we're facing. It can't be allowed to be a political force anymore. It wont go away and the blood libel is thrown down. Those ashole moderates are nothing more than one fartwa away from being sworn enemies. To late now.
If we take down the Syrian gov that leaves the same asshat syndrome thats going on in Iraq. So for me it's time to take the gloves off call a spade a spade and take out islamic leadership. Beat the tar out of that culture like we had to do to Japan, Germany and Itallian Fascist.
The cold war with Islam is over. No thirty years war. Do it now.
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There are more troops on the way. More and more National Guard and Reserve units are being alerted. For me it starts to get personal. The National Guard units from my home town and my son's Marine Corps Reserve unit have been alerted and should be deployed by June. I finally understand what my Dad told me when I left for VietNam: "It's easier to the one who goes than to be the ones who wait for you to come back."
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How about "Sadr gives himself up, immediately and unconditionally, or you have to build a new shrine?"
Works for me. Despite a nearly congenital inability for Arabs to accept blame over just about everything they do, any destruction of Shi'ite shrines must be pinned squarely on Sadr's (preferrably rigor mortised) back.
It's time to make the Islamic world keenly aware that their shrines will end up being vaporised one by one unless they rein in terrorism. If they keep up with the atrocities, there will be no destinations left for their pilgrimages.
Nothing less than holding their most sacred places hostage will provide a credible deterrent to future terrorist attacks. Leveling one of the Shi'ite's most holy mosques in Iraq will make it vividly clear that we are not kidding around.
The time has come to wield a gigantic spiked club over Arabia's head. It is the only thing they will ever respect in the short term. With Iran attempting to go nuclear, we do not have the luxury of long term options right now. We must make it explicitly clear that any future dabbling in terrorism will come at a horrendous cost.
Iraq is the perfect place for us to begin bringing this policy home in spades.
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Ya know, Zipster, you're more than keen for our brave military to just go in everywhere, guns blazing, to "kill them all and let God sort them out."
And yet Liberals like you crucified warbloggers like me and Fred for being "chickenhawks."
If you don't SHUT UP about all the mass mayhem you'd like to see the US military indiscriminately commit "In Your Name"â¢, I'm going to think you're not a patriot--oh, no.
You're just a murdering psychopath.
Maybe your local police would do well to look for any missing persons at your house--Know what I mean, Hannibal Lecter?
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The government has decided to launch a fresh operation in South Waziristan Agency, likely to begin in the last week of April. âPreparations to launch a new operation in South Waziristan are almost complete and the operation will begin by the end of April,â sources said. They said the Pakistani Army would be in stationed in Shakai, near Wana in South Waziristan. Sources said the operation was based on information that some wanted religious extremists declared absconders by Pakistan were hiding in that area. âThe government is hoping for a result-oriented operation this time,â sources said. Sources also said the last operation in Waziristan had earned Islamabad some military hardware from Washington and the new operation would help the government get more. I guess thatâs the important thing.
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as opposed to actual successful results...
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âThe government is hoping for a result-oriented operation this time,â
To borrow Steve's phrase, that's the diffo between theory and practice.
An operation to find, detain and neutralize members of guerilla units is currently underway in the mountainous area of Chechnya's Vedeno district. The operation involves servicemen from the Vostok special battalion, officers from a special riot police unit (OMON) under the Chechen Interior Ministry, local policemen, the military commandant office, and special services, Vostok Commander Sulim Yamadayev told Interfax by phone on Saturday. "The active phase of the operation began two days ago. It was preceded by reconnaissance and search operations that resulted in detecting rebel bases and routes of their movement," Yamadayev said. "Fourteen rebels who put up resistance have been killed in armed clashes over the past two days. Large amounts of weapons, ammunition, and explosives, including those produced abroad, have been seized." Yamadayev said there may have been foreign mercenaries among the killed rebels, which "is suggested by the some of their appearances," he said. Operations are underway in the woods not far from the communities of Tazen-Kale and Ersenoi, Yamadayev said. "None of the operation's participants were killed," he said.
Spokesman for the regional headquarters of the antiterrorist operation in the North Caucasus Col. Ilya Shabalkin confirmed to Interfax by phone that such an operation is continuing in the aforementioned area. "Air forces and artillery are not engaged in the operation. These operations have been thoroughly prepared, and this is what explains their high effectiveness," he said. "No combat activities are being conducted in communities. There have been no casualties among the operation's participants," he said.
I'm not familiar with the Vostok troops, but it sounds like they might actually be conducting an intel-driven operation. Good hunting!
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Two members of an al-Qaida cell connected to top terror master Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have been caught in Jordan with chemical weapons and poisonous gas for a planned attack that Jordanian officials say would have killed up to 20,000 people. The officials told the London-based newspaper al-Hayat on Friday that the al-Qaida plotters planned to launch a WMD attack against a Jordanian Military Intelligence installation, the U.S. Embassy in Amman and a government building in the country. According to the Israeli newspaper Maariv, the al-Qaida terrorists managed to smuggle three cars packed with explosives into Amman. Jordanian security forces found a chemical charge in one vehicle. "The bomb, had it been detonated, could have affected people in a one-kilometer radius and cause the deaths of up to 20,000 people," Jordanian officials told Maariv.
Qaeda keeps trying for the spectacular, multi-thousand death strike. It doesn't matter to them where it takes place, or who gets killed, just as long as there are thousands dead...
According to United Press International, the al-Qaida car was intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border and "carried explosives, a chemical bomb and poisonous gas." The discovery of the al-Qaida WMD plot is sure to renew speculation that some of Saddam Husseinâs missing weapons of mass destruction were hidden in Syria before the U.S. attacked in March 2003, and have now found their way into al-Qaidaâs hands.
Either that, or that Syria has its own WMD and is handing them out. Either way, Syria's on the poop list...
As of Saturday morning, the White House had not commented on the al-Qaida WMD plot and its possible ties to Iraq.
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Interesting, wonder what kind of chemicals they were.
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If this "chemical charge" is a true chemical weapon, this story is BIG news. Syria has just become a state sponsor of Al Qaeda. I don't expect this story to get much play however, because it is in the interest of all the anti-war forces to suppress it, and that includes most of our western media.
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virginian> because it is in the interest of all the anti-war forces to suppress it
Actually it seems in the interest of all the anti-war-with-Syria forces to suppress it, which currently seems to include the Bush administration given how they've got their hands tied in Iraq and seem to be trying to compromise with the other regional powers.
Syria as a supporter of Islamofascism? Who would have thought! I mean they were only openly supporting Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, who would have thought they'd have ties to global terror!
The above paragraph was sarcastic in case anyone wondered.
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Newsmax is always an interesting read, and I wouldn't do without it; but it's a source of perpetual annoyance for me that they haven't yet grasped the concept of linking to sources.
I hate having to empty my saltshaker over stories I strongly suspect are true, but can't verify by reading the sources myself: though I want to trust Newsmax, I won't until they start linking.
As to the story itself, I'm skeptical: it seems to me that Arabs have an ingrained habit of exaggerating, boasting, and speaking in extravagant terms. The bottom line is, wait and see what--if anything--comes of this story.
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there are plenty of sources for this, dave. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=jordan+chemical+al
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Yes, I know; and I'm not disputing the story, only voicing skepticism until I read something sourced other than from DEBKA or from some Arab official. Obviously, the story is quite plausible.
But there've been plenty of times when Arabs have made claims about this or that, only to have them turn out to be BS; so I'm going to reserve judgement.
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Suspected Taliban militants attacked a security post in southwestern Afghanistan killing eight security officials, a private news agency reported on Saturday. The assailants arrived in three vehicles after sunset on Friday and opened fire on the security post on the Herat-Kandahar highway , the Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press quoted Nimroz provincial governor Abdul Karim Brahiwi as saying. "There is no doubt that Taliban and Al Qaeda are involved in the attack," he said.
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More on the internationalization of the LeT, which definitely supports the Indian belief that they've taken on being the legitimate face of the International Front with al-Qaeda's leadership having to go underground as a result of the US pursuit of them.
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET) has quickly become one of the world's leading terrorist training organisations, according to an Australian terrorism expert. "Before Afghanistan changed, these people would have received training at al-Qaeda camps," said Clive Williams, director of terrorism studies at the Australian National University. "Now, because there are not al-Qaeda training camps, they get their training at affiliate organisations like LET." Mr Williams said on Friday that after the fall of the Taliban regime in 2001, LET had broadened its training operations and recruited al-Qaeda instructors who had fled Afghanistan. He said LET now "acted as a de facto training organisation" for al-Qaeda. LET had mobile training facilities and was known to have trained fighters from around the world, he said. "It's the organisation that was involved in training (David) Hicks before he went on to Afghanistan, and also it was involved with (Willie) Brigitte the year before, plus there have been charges in the United States against Americans training at LET camps," he said.
Its focus is Kashmir, but the training provided to individuals from around the world could be put to other uses, Mr Williams said. "The concern is that people get training in bomb-making and then they go back to wherever they came from, like Brigitte went back to France, and then they wait until they get orders to go somewhere," he said. Mr Williams warned that groups such as LET now considered Australia an enemy. "The message that goes out to these affiliate groups is that Australia is one of these countries that's aligned against the Muslim world, so there is no question they would be anti-Australian as well." He said there were probably people in Australia sympathetic to the cause, and he would be surprised if there had not been local money for LET.
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So Austrailia is aligned against the muslim world. And those aligned with the muslim world?
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"Mr Williams warned that groups such as LET now considered Australia an enemy. "The message that goes out to these affiliate groups is that Australia is one of these countries that's aligned against the Muslim world, so there is no question they would be anti-Australian as well."
So, you have problems deciphering simple declaritive sentences? This states quite clearly that it is Lashkar-e-Taiba that is stating that Australia is aligned against the Muslim world.
Pity your education failed to provide you with a basic comprehension of grammar; I find that problem endemic on the left.
(Links via Drudge, Allah, LGF) Bush Sealed Hamas Leaderâs Fate - Palestinians
By Nidal al-Mughrabi No bias here, right?
Reuters - "It was Bush." Bush the IDF helicopter pilot?
The verdict was near unanimous amid the tears and rage on Palestinian streets after Israel killed Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in an air strike Saturday that many Arabs felt President Bush must have approved. The White House doesnât seem entirely pleased about it...
"Bush has Rantissiâs blood on his hands," said Khamis Saadi, among tens of thousands who swept into Gazaâs shabby streets. No, that would be Mr. Rosary Beads.
"All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried. Not exactly KCNA level rhetoric, rookie...
U.S. officials denied giving a green light to Israel. But Palestinians, fuming and seethingand vowing dire revenge over unprecedented concessions Bush gave Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon last week for a Gaza pullout plan, felt Rantissiâs killing was just another action in the same vein. Well, that means no more âoccupationâ. You guys arenât very grateful, are you?
Sharonâs Palestinian sockpuppet counterpart, Ahmed Qurie, called it "a direct result of American encouragement and the complete bias of the American administration toward the Israeli government." Action, meet Consequence.
The United States has always been a target of Palestinian and Arab ire because of its close relations with Israel. "Itâs them Joooooooos!"
But Bushâs statement that Israel could expect to keep chunks of the West Bank seized in the 1967 Middle East war and ruled out a return of refugees to what is now Israel was felt by many Palestinians as a death blow for dreams of a real state. You lose a war, you lose land. Itâs a pretty simple concept...
"Bush freed the hands of Sharon to do whatever he liked with the Palestinian people, to kill their leaders and to confiscate their land," said one mourner in Gaza called Hammad. Um, what part of âGaza pullout planâ do you fail to understand, Hammad?
Israel said in Rantissi it had killed a "mastermind of terrorism" -- Hamas Islamic militants have sworn to destroy Israel and killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide attacks. Killed by death, heh.
On the streets of Gaza, there were many calls for Hamas to change its longstanding strategy of attacking only Israelis and to start killing Americans too. Feel the love!
A Hamas leader did not go that far, but allied the Palestinian cause with that of insurgents fighting the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Are these clowns going to walk into the flypaper trap too? Idiots.
"Sharon and Bush will see more blood coming from their noses in Palestine and Iraq," said Mahmoud al-Zahar. I wonder what this guyâs time in the 100 yard dash is when he hears that IDF chopper humming in? Talkâs cheap, Mahmoud.
Zahar's probably the next Mister Big, even though he won't admit to it. It's not like the IDF doesn't know who the members of Hamas' politburo are...
The Hamas military wing such as it is, Izz al-Deen al-Qassam, vowed "100 retaliations," but all against Israel rather than the United States. Smart move, although I think Arafat should have been whacked by now given his connection to three of our diplomats getting killed by that roadside bomb last year.
Condemnation of Rantissiâs killing came from around the world. Javier Solana, professional appeaser foreign policy chief for Middle East peace Quartet member European Union, called the killing "unlawful" and "not conducive to lowering tension." British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called it "unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive." Are all those Paleoboomings against Israeli children, the âbrave militaryâ targetings of discos and pizza parlors also "unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive"? Didnât think so...
U.S. reaction was more nuanced. John Kerry said something today?
"The United States is gravely concerned for regional peace and stability," said a statement, issued under the name of White House press secretary Scott McClellan. "Weâre going through the motions of pretending to give a flying fuck appear balanced."
Anger in Arab countries was intense. Thatâs a news flash...
The assassination came less than one month after Israel killed Hamas spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin in a similar attack. That drew thousands to protests across the Middle East. Car Swarm!
Egyptâs Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher accused Israel of trying to "kill off the chance for peace (and push) the region to the edge of the abyss." Um, arenât the Paleos supposed to disband terrorist organizations, or is that just a technicality?
Some in a region that is extremely uncomfortable with the U.S. occupation of Iraq also saw an American hand. I saw a Palestinian hand. And a foot, and a head, and a lot of blood...
Yemeni Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qibri said: "The United States bears the responsibility for what happens, since after every visit by Sharon to Washington he commits more terrorism and assassinations." I just finished watching Patton on AMC. Iâd love âOlâ Blood and Gutsâ to take a one week tour of the âfabledâ Gaza Bank with the Third Army so weâd quit having to hear this feigned outrage, excuse making, veiled and not so veiled threats against US and inflict on Hamas & the other brave bombers of Israeli civilians the ultimate âhumiliationâ on these terrorist savages - a complete and through military ass kicking coupled with the nuking of the Hamas charter calling for Israelâs destruction. Then, and only then, will there be any hope for the Palestinian people not afflicted with the diseases of Jihad and Judenrein
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"The object of war is not to die for your country,
but to make the other bastard die for his!"
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Great post and comments, Raj!
I love the movie "Patton," too and saw that it was on tonight. I've seen it about 30 times already.
In fact, I had the good fortune to actually meet George C. Scott and tell him how terrific he was in the part.
"Old blood and guts indeed!"
We need an infusion of his warrior spirit--BIG TIME.
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So, what's the big deal? A high ranking, hard to kill, Jew Hating raghead finally bit the Big Enchilada... Looks like it's time for Yasser to look for a new hiding place and take another Paranoia pill!
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I love it too. Specially the initial speech (that recently I learned was made from bits of areal speech). The part about "we will use their guts to grease the tracks of our tanks". Too bad I have only been able to see it two or three times here in France.
But above all I like the first sentence "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his!" because it implies that soldiers lives are NOT expendable and that the generals duty towards them and the country was to minimize losses. Contrast them with Foch's words "I have two hundred thousand men to spend", meaning that the lives of his soldiers didn't matter to him but that it didn't matter to him that those 200,000 men would be needed at peacetime for making the economy run and also for having children (one of France's dramas after WWI was the apalling birthrate, lower than deathrate, due in part to the shortage of men) meaning a weakened diplomatic (France could not afford another bloodbath) and military position during the thirties. Foch's words should have let him to been shot for high treason instead of having streets named like him.
The verdict was near unanimous amid the tears and rage on Palestinian streets after Israel killed Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in an air strike Saturday that many Arabs felt President Bush must have approved.
"Bush has Rantissiâs blood on his hands," said Khamis Saadi, among tens of thousands who swept into Gazaâs shabby streets.
"All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried.
Is the anti-american rage among Paleos just an artifact of our anti-american press? Or do the Paleos really see us as equally to blame for bagging Rantisi?
Say the latter, why is that so? The NY Times and the Dems will be quick to say that that's because we've allied ourselves too closely to Israel generally and to Sharon in particular. And there may be a particle of truth to that. If Bush II were more like Bush I, and James Baker (as opposed to, say, Paul Wolfowitz) had his ear, maybe the Paleo mobs wouldn't today be screeching "Death to America!" Maybe....
But my hunch is that they would still be muttering it under their breath, because they hate America for pretty much the same reason that they hate Israel. Even if Israel were to disappear tomorrow, the Arabs would still keep on hating America, 'cuz the hatred comes out of the shame they feel when compared to a successful culture/society.
In short and in sum, Israel's enemies are America's enemies, and for reasons much deeper than that America and Israel happen to be "friends" and military allies.
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The good folks over at The Command Post are linking to a story indicating the Paleos have decided NOT to reveal the identity of Rantissi's successor. LOL.....
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I think they stumbled upon a pattern, heh.
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The fact that the "Arab street" is once again seething just shows how widespread the psychopathology is among Arab hotheads. The Arabs cared not the least when Saddam killed thousands of Muslim Kurds or his Arab subjects, not did anyone care when King Hussein killed thousands of Paleos.
JFM: Perceptive point about Patton's concern for the lives of his soldiers. Dad's division was part of the Third Army for a short time, and he's always spoken highly of Patton.
One of the local radio stations keeps playing this fun little ditty with this refrain: I'm just a curbside prophet with my hand in my pocket and I'm waitin' for my rocket to come . . . . It's not about Yassin or Rantisi, but that refrain could be.
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Don't know why the world is screaming. The Pals have said time and time again that to die as a shahid is to serve Allah. Sharon seems to have done the guy a favour.
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The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity.
That's exactly backwards. That's the symptom, AntiWar; the cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine (and Israel, which you conveniently omitted) is a bloodthirsty genocidal mentality operating unther the veneer of Islamic doctrine that states explicitly in the charter of Hamas, Palestinian textbooks, etc. that their goal is nothing short of the destruction of Israel.
Is it your intention to excuse this behaviour and absolve the Palestinians of any and responsibility? Seems to me the answer to that question is YES.
The goal is not the destruction of Israel: ie have Israelis pay taxes to support Palestinian politicians. Yasin repeatedly stated that the goal was the destruction of Jews. Everyone of them. Everyone of them in the world.
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Well, dear Freeper Bastards, I stay consistent, so I won't condemn the slaughter of an knee walking baby doctor. I am remember that the Zionist entity is a different culture. And sometimes, A KILL IS JUST A KILL.
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Antiwar: The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity.
OK - we now know "Antiwar" is a Muslim or an Arab. The Muslim/Arab definition of terrorism is anything that a non-Muslim country does to kill Muslim terrorists. This is why "Antiwar" is so indignant about the War on Terror - she's happy enough to see non-Muslims killed in the thousands, but for the Muslim terrorists to be killed in return is obviously something that Muhammad the pedophile would strenuously object to.
Yes its liberal democracy with the rule of law that tries to create win-win relationships with its neighbours. Unfortunately, this doesn't work with Arabs and killing them seems the only way to keep them under control.
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"The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity."
Antiwar is either a Muslim, a self-hating Jew or a brain-washed Leftist.
I suppose it's possible to be all 3 at once if someone tried.
The cause of all bloodshed in "Palestine" is the shame-based Arab jihadi culture which has been trying to be AS GOOD AS their Semitic cousins since ancient history began, ref. Babylon.
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Wait, ZF, I thought antiwar was an Australian 20-30-something female with the intellect of a moderately bright 10-year-old ... although I suppose that doesn't rule out being Muslim or Arab.
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Yep, Antiwar's an Arab Muslim all right. Do the "Aussie" authorities know?
Auntie, Jews are a race, too, as well as a religion.
Ask around, although there are considerable fewer of them since Hitler tried that whole "bogus" wipe-out-the-Jewish-race Holocaust thing.
(BTW, I thought you people thought the Holocaust was a lie, didn't you?So how could you admit it happened for whatever reasons?)
Jesus was a Jew (as descended from his Jewish mother, Judaism being a matriarchical race) and of the House of David, as well as Abraham, but of the lineage of Abraham and Sarah, not the adulterous relationship of Abraham and his handmaiden Haggar.
From thence sprang the Arab Semites.
And Jesus was the Son of God, not just a "prophet," as Muslims maintain.
Yes, Auntie, God did give the land of Israel to His people the Hebrews, but having lost it to the Romans in the 3rd Century and after persecution by the Nazis in WWII, they fought for and regained their land in 1947 and again in 1967 and yet more again in 1973.
Take care, now, Muslim girl, and be sure that tin foil burqa's on nice and tight!
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U.S. officials denied giving a green light to Israel.
There was no green light. It was that secret handshake that Bush gave Sharon when he was here last week which signaled approval!
Somebody check the videotape of the press conference!
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Antiwar: Zionists(who collaborated with the Nazis during the holocaust).
Actually, Zionists fought the Nazis. Muslims and Arabs collaborated with the Nazis at every opportunity. Too bad Antiwar wasn't alive at the time to help Hitler out.
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, Anti.
Jesus was a Jew because he was born of a Jewish mother, just like the rest of the Jews.
God promised the Holy Land to His people, the Jewish people, the Hebrew people.
Check the Old Testament for both the heritage of the Jews, that of our Lord Jesus Christ and the lineage of Abraham and Haggar, the non-Jewish Semites.
I'm a Christian and because I believe both books of the Bible and accept them as Truth, I am a Christian Zionist.
The "Palestinians" are from Jordan.
They were kicked out of Jordan in 1970 by King Hussein.
There hasn't been a place called "Palestine" since 1947 and Arafat knows it.
If the Paleostinians have a land it's JORDAN.
Hope that helps.
Have a nice day and a great life as an oppressed baby factory of some Muslim scum!
If he finds out you've been on the Internet expressing yourself he will beat you. (Well, he'll beat you anyway, but that would just be one more reason)
Oh, and how'd that clitorectemy work out for you?
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People like you should die peacefully in their sleep which is more than you would give to the people of Iraq as you support their annihilation by Dumbya Bush..
YAWN.
Think you can find something intelligent to say for once?
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Hi everyone (:
This is my first time on this web site, and I believe you guys have a lot of facts wrong!
Sorry! I know no one likes being told that, but aren't you playing into the hands of politicians?
How many of you have really stopped and got a book on Islam and read it?
Do you know that muslims believe that:
What Osama Bin Laden did, if it was him, is wrong?
What Hitler did was barbaric, inhuman, and against every rule in Islam?
They are not people who like violance, they only fight in self defence.
I know what you will say;
"Then why all the killings in Palestine?"
DEAH!!
They're trying to defend themselves, they don't have much choice.
I'm not saying I agree with them killing civilians, because I DON'T.
But;
What is wrong with you people?
Do you just swollow up everything forced into your mouths?
Think, for God's sake, THINK!
Islam is against exremists, did you know that?
Islam is against killing anyone, unless a murderer, or an attacker in war.
Islam is even against killing a bird for sport!
It is a religion of mercy, NOT what you imagine it to be.
I wish I knew how to SHOW you what Islam is like. I wish I could.
P.S. Please, DON'T let you hatred blind you.
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They're trying to defend themselves, they don't have much choice.
And the best defense is a good offense, right? Right! They have a lot of choices: peaceful co-existance is one of them. Oh I forgot. Jews are not allowed to live in Greater Palestine.
How many of you have really stopped and got a book on Islam and read it?
Actually I have. A book distributed by Muslims for Muslims, that answers some frequently asked questions by Muslims. I didn't like what I read. I found out there's not much room for me in Islam, unless I convert, or become a slave.
It is a religion of mercy
No it's not. Very little mercy is shown in practice. The biggest evidence of this, of course, is 9-11.
And BTW, never assume that the people who post here are stupid, as you in fact have just done. Welcome to western civilization my friend, where most of the time, we call it like we see it!
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Megadittos, Rafael!
I agree--Oh, and "Gentle," I've read half a dozen (that's 6 to you Muslims) books on Islam and they all say the same thing:
The Koran explicitly exhorts Muslims to wage jihad against kuffir or infidels.
The radical sects choose to take this to mean violent jihadi murder and the takeover of the whole world for Islam, "by the sword" if necessary.
In fact, the best that we "infidels' (Christians, Jews, Shiites, atheists, Buddists, Hindus, etc.) can hope for is dhimmitude or second-class citizenship where we pay a "tax."
And WOMEN get a completely unfair deal no "matter how moderate the Muslim, having to fight for every basic human liberty conceivable under shar'ia.
Get a clue: it ain't the "Religion of Peace" for some and those radical few are ruining it for the rest of you.
We're not there yet, but someday the entire religion may have to be completely banned from the planet because it holds the seeds of violence.
The days when you Muslims could sell yourselves as followers of a religion of "peace" and "mercy" are fast drawing to a close.
Check out Christianity--it has a lot more for you.
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Why all this anger?
I did not come here to insult anyone, or to be insulted. This is not the way to do things.
You say you believe in "peace", well, your words are filled with hidden threats.
Why?
I did not mention what my religion is.
let me see anyone saying anything wrong about christians or Jews and believe me I will try to set their facts straight.
In Islam, we don't beleive in slavery, in a people being seperated into classes. Islam ENDED slavery, and NOT by force, but by encouraging people to do the right thing.
AND, Guess how slavery came back into the world..?
Once again, don't let your hatred blind you.
One more thing:
You say Islam opresses women?
You say Islam allows them to get beaten up?
You say they are not even allowed to have an opinion?
Where do you get you information? the Arabian Nights? (Which by the way is NOT Arabian)
If that were som how come I'm writing this?
how come I know what is going on in the world?
how come I have a laptop and 2 internet lines?
How come I'm allowed to finish my studies?
How come NO MAN has ever touched me but with kindness and respect?
How come I don't HAVE to cover up, but do it out of choice?
How come I don't cover my face, and no one has ever blamed me, or questioned my choice?
Because it is, in the end, a CHOICE!
I am a woman, a muslim women, and proud to be one.
O.k. 18 years old is hardly a woman, but I seem to have a broader mind than some people!
Oh, and, just for the record:
I live in an arab country.
In the U.A.E., Dubai.
Come pay us a visit!
or better yet, come talk to my proffesers, 6 of them are american!
(or would you rather I said:"half a dozen"?!)
In fact, the majority of the faculty in my university are american. The rest are British, canadian and Australian.
Surprised?
And "NO". They are not muslims.
We live in peace, we love peace, we are not a violent nation.
Besides, you keep linking ALL Arabs with Islam and that is not true!
Back to the women issue;
Women are raped in America, by their fathers and uncles and brothers. In fact, this is so common, you've even got a name for it!
You use women, you use their bodies.
I can't even start to name all the wrong thingsthat are done against women!
Did you know that before Islam came, women were "inherited"? like some kind of possesion!
Islam stopped that.
Go on, I want to hear your comments, but please be rational, don't just heap insults on the heads of all muslims, trying to blame them for all that went wrong in your life.
THINK, THINK, THINK! before you write, before you accuse. I will answer if what you write is serious, but if it is not, can I be blamed for ignoring?
P.S. Don't worry, even if I do igfnore, I'll beg your pardon first.
and NO, I'm not being sarcastic, this is just the way we were raised, valuing manners and politness, not weapons.
Thanks.
#37
Gentle, the UAE is one of the more progressive countries in the Middle East and an ally and friend (so far as I know) to the United States.
Right now, the only Muslims we really have problems with are the Islamists or radical (Sunni) Waahab sect of Islam.
But it needs to be said that the Muslims communities in places that have been attacked like the U.S., Britain, Spain, Iraq, etc. haven't exactly had a hernia condemning them or their more radical "brothers."
I didn't mean to be rude, but there are elements in your religion that are a definite problem.
The one Muslim community (ulema?) that has condemned Islamist terrorism when there were attacks have been the Indonesians (as with Bali).
This needs to happen a lot more often.
President Bush is serious when he says that he wants to bring democracy to the Arab world, even though most radical Islamists consider democracy a "heresy."
America is watching her soldiers be killed in Iraq right now by radicalized Muslims from Iraq, Iran, Syria and I dare say Saudi Arabia.
We had 3,000 of our people killed on 9/11 by Muslims, 15 of them from Saudi Arabia.
Most of the current trouble has its origins in Waahab Saudi Arabia.
We know a lot more about radical Islam than you may think.
Do you?
Saudi Arabia is the problem--they consider Shiite Muslims and other kinds of Muslims "polytheists," who should be put to the sword along with Christians and Jews.
Our War on Terror is not against Islam; it's against radical violent jihadi Islamism, which is a political ideology as well as a religion.
Now, I don't know how to be more fair and polite than that.
Hope that gives you a better answer.
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#38
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#39
Thanks, Gentle and to you, too, but I must tell you, many, many Jews died on 9/11-- on the planes, in the Twin Towers and in the Pentagon.
The rumor that made the circuit in the Arab world that no Jews were killed on 9/11 was a lie.
Find a list of the victims and you will see.
With Internet access, this can be done.
I don't know where you get your information about anything, but it's clear that it's not all that good or unbiased.
It sounds like Al-Jazeera and their ilk.
However, you made it to this site, so that's a good thing.
All I can say is that you would be well served to keep reading this site and its news stories, follow links here, keep an open mind and try not to get upset when what you read doesn't match up with what you think you know to be true.
That is the beauty of the Internet.
There are quite a few of us here in America who have read and studied hard to discover who attacked us on 9/11, why they hate America and what can be done about it and what is Islam about and its sects that are radicalized (do you understand this term? It means bent on jihad by death and killing, to take over the world for Islam) and implement shar'ia by force.
To save itself, Muslims would be well served to do as much or more work and study about the West.
To cling to beliefs that are wrong, such as "No Jews died on 9/11" is to cling to ignorance that upholds one's world view to make one's self more comfortable.
As of 9/11, those days are over.
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#40
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#41
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#42
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#43
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#44
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#45
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#46
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#47
Oh, dear!
I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted.
I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock.
I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you.
And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such.
There is nothing violent in what they beleive in.
We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true.
Would you like to know why?
Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like.
Would you?
Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT.
They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country!
I mean, come on!
We don't know what they are feeling, do we?
We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it.
Did you know that?
It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place.
I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know.
But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day!
No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it.
I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much.
People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists.
This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to.
Thanks for your honesty Jen.
Best of luck.
#49
Jen Arabs ARE semites you fool.Judaism is a religion not a race there is no such thing as a jewish race,the people who thought that in the past sent them to Auschwitz etc.For example Jesus was born in Palestine which makes him an arab and his religion was judaism which makes him a jew.The Paestinians are the descendants of Abraham etc(who came from Mesopotamia,which is what Iraq used to be called)and have been in the Holy Land for thousands of years,they have in the religious sense been jews christians and muslims)SO I can certainly understand them not liking been dispossesed and discriminated against by people who emigrated from Poland,Hungary etc etc because those people believed that zionism entitled them to a place where maybe one of their ancestors(if that came from in Roman times.
#50
Jen the only people who think Jews are a race are Nazis and Zionists(who collaborated with the Nazis during the holocaust)Jesus was a Jew because he followed Judaism not because of his ancestry. God promised the Holy Land to the descendants of Abraham which are the Palestinians no matter what their religious affilliation,not people from(fill in name of European country here)
#51
Jen to set the record straight I am not a Muslim. I am a Christian;Roman Catholic to be exact although I don't believe in much RC doctrine like an afterlife and the Trinity for example. People like you should die peacefully in their sleep which is more than you would give to the people of Iraq as you support their annihilation by Dumbya Bush and to the Palestinians as you support the zionazi Sharon. Btw have checked out the greatest Jeneration what a load of warmongering Dumbya ass kissing waste of space it is. Thats enough for you today. Zhang pleade check out the website True Torah Jews(who are Antizionist Jews) for info on Zionist Nazi collaboration.Btw SOME Arabs colloborated with the Nazis many others did not.
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