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Arabia
Saudi Princes’ Petrodollars are Packin’ Up and Movin’
From Geostrategy-Direct, subscription req’d.....
Western investors and companies are doing it. Now, Saudi princes are taking their money out of the kingdom amid the Al Qaida campaign against the royal family.
We’re outa here! First fiscally, then physically...
Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler Crown Prince Abdullah addresses dignitaries May 29, in this video grab taken from television. He vowed to crush militants out to harm the economy of the oil-rich kingdom after an attack on the oil city of Khobar killed several Saudis and foreigners. Day late and a dollar short...
Much of the money is moving to Europe. But a considerable portion is heading for Islamic allies of Riyad, such as Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan.
The Saudi investment in Pakistan has strategic implications. In 2003, Pakistan completed an agreement for nuclear cooperation and enhanced strategic relations. The relationship would be funded by Saudi oil for Pakistani military and nuclear technology. Fund the Paks while the Saudi Ship of State sinks.
Now, the Saudis have decided that Pakistan could serve as the future for their petrodollars. Saudi investors are examining the prospect of sinking $1 billion into Pakistan, including into its defense industry.
Hilal Hussein Al Tuwairqi, chairman of the Al Tuwairqi Group, signed a memorandum of understanding on May 29 in Islamabad to establish a steel plant in Karachi estimated at $100 million.
Tuwairqi said that Pakistan was the safest place for investment and soon would become an exporting market. A jihad exporting market. Western intelligence sources have also spotted the flight of Saudi companies and investment from the kingdom to the UAE port of Dubai. Like Pakistan, Dubai knows how to accept investments without questions or regulations. Welcome! Welcome! Sit right down here, your excellencies! May I help you with your briefcase?
Ten years ago, much of those investments would have gone to the United States. But today, Saudi princes are fighting for their lives against Al Qaida and a huge groundswell of Islamic opposition in the kingdom. It’s every man for himself.
If things get dicey, the US could freeze funds.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/03/2004 10:27:50 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wait a minute, they're putting more money into Europe? Which countries?

I posted an article here recently that they were pulling out of Europe cos they lost quite a bit of money, the Euro isn't ready for prime time and tho they hated to admit it, $ is king.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 06/04/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||


Britain
Judge Denies Bail to Abu Hamza; Case Will Be "Speeded Through"
From Reuters
Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, who faces charges in the United States of supporting al Qaeda, has appeared in a London court to face an American extradition request. ... Magistrate Timothy Workman refused Hamza bail during a hearing at Belmarsh magistrates court. He was remanded in custody until July 1 when he will appear by videolink from the high-security Belmarsh prison at a hearing at Bow Street Magistrates’ court in London. Abu Hamza appeared in the dock flanked by three security guards. Wearing a burgundy T-shirt, he only spoke to confirm his name. An open admirer of Osama bin Laden, the one-eyed preacher attended the start of what could be a drawn-out bid to extradite him for trial in the United States. Home Secretary David Blunkett said last week he wanted the case to be "speeded through". But Abu Hamza’s lawyers could mount a series of appeals.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 12:01:41 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Details About Trial of UK Moslem Family Accused of Foreknowledge
From The Muslim News
For the first time since the UK Terrorism laws were amended, a family is being charged for failure to disclose information on a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. The trial for the family members of alleged, would-be suicide bomber, Omar Sharif, of Derby, began on April 26 .... Prosecuting attorney, Jonathan Laidlaw, alleged that the sister, Parveen Sharif, teacher, 36, businessman brother, Zahid Sharif, 37, and widow Tahira Tabassum, 28, also a teacher and a mother-of-three, had knowledge about Omar’s plan to participate in a suicide bombing in Israel. In court, Laidlaw suggested that the three had information between March 31 and May 3, 2003, that “might have been of material assistance in preventing the commission by Omar Sharif of an act of terrorism”.

Parveen Sharif has additional charge of inciting her brother to participate in the bombing in an email that was sent to him seven days before the attack. All three defendants have claimed innocence. Both, the Parveen Sharif and Zahid Sharif, in separate interviews, have condemned suicide bombings. ....

Omar Sharif, 28, and Asif Hanif, 21, of Hounslow, travelled to Syria from London on April 10, 2003, telling their families that they were going to study Arabic. They went to Israel via Jordan and on April 30, the two allegedly strapped themselves with explosives to blow up Mikes Place, a popular seafront pub in Tel Aviv. Hanif successfully detonated his explosives killing himself, three others and injuring 65. Witnesses say that Sharif rid himself of his explosives after it allegedly failed to detonate. His body was found off the coast of Israel twelve days later.

Laidlaw suggested that their British passports enabled Sharif and Hanif to travel freely across borders and to smuggle weapons out of Gaza. In March of this year, Hamas released a video showing Sharif and Hanif, in which the two explain their motivations for the bombing. ...

The evidence for the family’s knowledge of the bombing amounts to two emails sent on 22 and 23 April, 2003, a will, an address book, and literature found in the deceased’s home. The bulk of the prosecution’s case rests on specific readings of two emails, one sent from Omar to Zahid and the other sent from Parveen to Omar. The jury will have to decide whether or not the words of these emails are enough to prove that the family had knowledge of Omar’s intentions.

The first was an email sent by Omar from Palestine to his brother on April 22, 2003. It read: “Please take care of yourselves. Difficult times may lay ahead for you and the family in the next few weeks and months
 Plan now and get rid of any material you may consider problematic.” Zahid was instructed to print the email and give, what Laidlaw called, Omar’s “final farewell” to his wife, Tahira. Omar wrote: “I hope you are strong
 Know that everything is just a test and Allah will reward the patient ones. Look after Khadijah, Hamzah and Asyah, bring them up well. We did not spend a long time together in this world but I hope through Allah’s mercy and your patience we can spend an eternity together
 We will talk later, I hope to go and be with the best of company soon, you will hear from my friend the good news
pray that Allah makes me sincere, firm and that he accepts my actions. Delete this message.”

Laidlaw argued that the “friend” to whom Omar refers is Hamas, the group that claimed responsibility for the bombing. He also told the court “none of this would be capable of being understood unless Tahira Tabassum was already aware of his intentions.” However, in an interview with the police soon after the attacks, Tahira said that she “had no idea of his intentions. All I can register is him saying goodbye to me.” Upset that he was leaving her, she said, “I am telling you when I received this email my life was shattered at this point. It may seem very selfish. I was not thinking about what was going on. I was just thinking about my life. I was frightened. I believed he was leaving me permanently.”

Laidlaw played a recording of Tahira Tabassum’s police interview to the court. Omar telephoned her the day after he left England and the two had a tearful conversation. Tahira said in her interview, “I asked why he was crying. He said: ‘It’s OK, it’s fine, just tired – and everything’.” When she asked him when he was coming back, he said, “You know I’m not coming back.”

Parveen said that she did not read email to Zahid on April 22, before writing to her brother on April 23. In a police interview conducted a week after the bombing, she claimed that the words she wrote couldn’t be understood out of context. She identified herself as a Muslim who is more interested in matters of the soul than in matters of world news and politics. She said that non-practicing Muslim may make the mistake of taking her words literally as opposed to spiritually. Her email read: “We all have to be firm and focused
there is really no time to be weak and emotions. When we see you again it will be like only half a day has passed
don’t worry about Tahira and the kids. She is strong and focused. You married a real good woman. Stay focused and determined. You have not time for emotions. May Allah take care of us all and join us all soon.”

Laidlaw said that by sending this email, “Parveen was seeking to strengthen his resolve,” and that “she was offering him her support.” Acknowledging that these are words of support, Parveen stated that her intention was to encourage him in his studies and his din (religion). Though she did not approve of him leaving his wife and children she said, “If he’s made a decision, it’s up to him. Whatever happens 
 it’s written by God.” When asked why she did not discourage him from leaving his family, she said that she is “not the type of person to make a fuss” and that she does not have the personality to tell him what to do.

Omar’s response to his sister’s email on the April 23, read: “Thank you for your email. Inshallah, (God willing) we will all see each other soon. Remember me in your duas (supplications).”

Additional evidence presented by the prosecution was Omar’s will, found by the police on the coffee table at his home. The will was signed by Omar and witnessed by his brother eight days before his departure to Syria. When questioned about the will, sister Parveen said that keeping a will is a Muslim’s obligation. She said, “Every time someone goes away, they need to have a will.” Because their father died without a will in 1993, she said that the family has learned the importance of all brothers and sisters keeping a will, therefore the fact that he drew up his will did not seem suspicious to her. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 3:35:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Omar Sharif, suicide bomber?


(Yahoo)

Oh, a DIFFERENT Omar Sharif, one that didn't make a living acting and authoring books on bridge (card game).
Sort of like, "Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother"

Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||


More Details About the Accusations Against Abu Hamza
From Guardian Unlimited
.... Abu Hamza was not a well-known figure in ’Londonistan’ in the early Nineties but his ousting of the moderate leaders of Finsbury Park mosque, once a community project sponsored by the Prince of Wales, gave him a base to work from. After consolidating his hold on the 2,000-capacity religious centre - and its funds - Abu Hamza began preaching his violent brand of Islam.

Abu Hamza was first thrust into the public spotlight in December 1998, when five young British Muslims were arrested on terrorist charges in Yemen, where the authorities were fighting a long and deadly war against Islamic militants. Among them was Abu Hamza’s son Mohammed Mustafa and his stepson Mohsin Ghalain. According to the Yemeni authorities, the British men were apprehended when they made the simple tourist error of driving ’the British way’ - clockwise - around a traffic island late at night. The driver refused to stop when challenged but later crashed into another car. In the wreckage Yemeni authorities claimed they found arms and explosives. It was alleged that the group were members of Supporters of Sharia, an organisation run by Abu Hamza from the Finsbury Park mosque, and were planning to bomb British targets in Yemen. Supporters of Sharia videos were found in the hotel room used by the men in Yemen. They confessed to their involvement, but later said their statements had been extracted under torture, which is used systematically in Yemeni jails. Abu Hamza’s connection to the events in Yemen, first reported in The Observer, marked his transformation to a player, albeit still low-level, on the international stage of the world ’jihad’.

The American authorities accuse Abu Hamza of direct involvement in the kidnapping of 16 Western tourists in Yemen on 28 December, 1998, a few days after the arrest of the British men. It ended in a bloody shootout between the kidnappers and the Yemeni authorities in which three Britons and an Australian were killed. Investigators believed that the bombing plot and the kidnapping were both organised by Sheikh Abul Hassan Mehdar, the leader of the Islamic Army of Abyan, an associate of Abu Hamza’s from Afghanistan. The grand jury indictment against Abu Hamza reveals details of intercepted satellite phone conversations between the London-based cleric and Yemen. Abu Hamza has never denied his friendship with the Yemeni sheikh, later executed, and told The Observer at the time that he was trying to use his influence to avoid bloodshed. US prosecutors will claim that Abu Hamza supplied the satellite phone the kidnappers used, and spoke to them before and during the kidnap itself and advised on the hostage-taking.

It will be difficult for Abu Hamza to dissociate himself from the Islamic Army of Abyan and its leader, who he saw as a hero of the Islamic struggle. At the time it was suggested that the hostages were taken in order to obtain the release of Abu Hamza’s sons and the other British detainees as a personal favour. British police arrested Abu Hamza in 1999 in connection with the kidnapping, but there was insufficient evidence for a prosecution. Five years on, the Americans clearly disagree.

From 1999, Abu Hamza was watched carefully. An Algerian living in London was recruited by MI5 and sent into the mosque to report on the activities of Abu Hamza and the men who were gathering around him. Last week the agent told The Observer he was ’overjoyed’ at the arrest. But the security services preferred to keep tabs on Abu Hamza rather than arrest him. This was partly because they did not believe he was dangerous and partly to keep the militants in one place where surveillance was easier. They also lacked legal powers to secure a conviction. But 11 September changed all that.

As investigators reconstructed the al-Qaeda networks behind the attacks in New York and Washington, they discovered a series of connections that ran through Finsbury Park. Zacarias Moussaoui, a French Algerian who has been charged with being part of the team that hijacked the planes which hit the twin towers (the authorities say he was arrested on other charges before he could join the hijackers on the planes), had worshipped there. So had Richard Reid, the British-born convert to Islam who tried to blow himself up on a transatlantic jet in December 2001, and Nizar Trabelsi, a Tunisian-born former professional footballer and drug addict who was sentenced to 10 years in prison by a Belgian court for plotting to blow himself up outside the American embassy in Paris. Many of the Britons who ended up in Guantanamo Bay were found to have spent time at the mosque - as had a series of other militants picked up around the world.

The American indictment alleges further activities at the mosque. Much of the material it contains is based on the testimony of James Ujaama, a one-time associate of Abu Hamza who was ’turned’ by an American policeman. Ujaama, whose 20 years’ sentence was cut to two years as an incentive to give evidence against Abu Hamza, was released the day Abu Hamza was arrested. Ujaama speaks of volunteers packed off to Afghanistan to undergo military training. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 1:50:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Abu Hamza began preaching his violent brand of Islam.

I wasn't aware that there was any other brand of Islam. Thanks for the clarification...
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
N Koreans risk lives for freedom
A group of North Koreans who on Tuesday launched a bid for asylum in China’s capital Beijing spoke to the BBC’s Louisa Lim about their shadowy lives in hiding. Their names have been changed as they fear reprisals against family members still living in North Korea. They looked thin and malnourished, but they were marshalling their strength as they prepared to try to seek asylum - the culmination of a long journey through China. Ms Na, a pretty young woman with a shy smile, left North Korea two years ago when the outside world believed the worst of the food shortages were over. "I left because there was no food, but also because I wanted freedom. I wanted to be able to live how I wanted to live," she said. "It was very difficult in North Korea. I saw people dying on the streets, people starving, people whose faces were wasted away from the lack of food. I didn’t want that any more."

Despite a constant barrage of propaganda telling North Koreans their country is doing fine, many think otherwise. The North Koreans told me most people in the Hermit Kingdom now disliked their leader, Kim Jong-il, and blamed him for the lack of food. But of the thousands who flee across the border to China, few realise how hard life will be. Yoon Woong-joo, a weary-looking man, said life in China was as filled with fear as life back home. "I can’t find the words to say how hard it is," he said. "It’s difficult to find work, and sometimes we don’t get paid or we get beaten up. We can’t go to the police or they’ll send us back." EFL
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/03/2004 10:24:11 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We can’t go to the police or they’ll send us back."

It'd be nice if our police helped to send our illegal aliens back.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||


Japanese police arrest 8th foreigner linked to Al-Qaeda
TOKYO: Japanese police arrested an eighth foreign national today in their nation-wide crackdown on a suspected Al-Qaeda network in Japan, officials and news reports said. A 37-year-old Bangladeshi identified as Shiddiq ur Rahman, was arrested in Gunma, north of Tokyo, on suspicion of violating immigration laws, a local police spokesman said.
Welcome to Japan, the politest police state you'll ever see. Little tiny police sub-stations on almost every block with a list of everyone who lives there. There may be a large number of foreign workers, but they still stand out.
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:16:24 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  wow that for real about the police stains, sorry stations on every block? must be almost nill crime.A very impressive feat for any nation but whats it like to live under, there not mean or anything are they to the average person who lives there,sounds very safe place,i've always wanted to go there to see the fish,you know koi carp and shit,i like those japanese gardens see.Bet there very crime free too not like the local park where i live. oh well.
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#2  pretty safe for foriegners.. even the mafia will leave you alone
( trouble with travelers means police crack down, yakuza don't want that so they will go so far as to physically drive you to a safer part of town if you get lost and wander into the wrong area)
Posted by: dcreeper || 06/03/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||


Shock waves in Seoul as U.S. to shift 12,000 more troops to Iraq
Via Bros. Judd: EFL.
SUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time to go out into the world, kids. Your nationalism pride will see you thru. Besides, what are you worried about? I thought the ultimate goal is reunification.
First the Pentagon told the ministry of national defense it plans to transfer a brigade of 3,600 troops from South Korea to Iraq this summer. Now, the Pentagon is telling South Korean officials it wants to scale back the number of U.S. troops in South Korea from 37,000 to 25,000. The news took the government here by surprise. A Blue House official, talking anonymously to South Korean reporters, barely masked the government’s concern: "The realignment should not undermine our national security."
So sorry, but we’ve got our own national security to think about.
In and out of the government, the realization has now dawned that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had been deadly serious when he spread the word during his visit here last November that the U.S. had a new concept of flexible defense.
$(%$%& A politician who actually means what he says! How, How, AMERICAN.
Kim Sung-Han, research professor at the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security, reflected the misgivings of the government when he remarked that the need for reinforcements in Iraq meant, "Talks on a reduction of troops have come earlier than expected."
Jesus H. Christ, are we supposed to stay for ANOTHER 50 years?
I still think it’s no coincidence that our unfinished business - externally Iraq and SK, internally Viet Nam is biting us in the ass at the same time, sort of like the Bermuda Triangle is on our posterior. Time to remove a corner.
Here’s an interesting blog I read on occasion.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 06/03/2004 1:18:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Mr. Burns] Exxxcellent. [/Mr. Burns]
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 1:24 Comments || Top||

#2  So many young, extremely affluent young South Koreans, have been calling for this for quite some time. They have NO idea what their parents went through. In many ways, they're more pampered than OUR kids.

Now reality sets in. You don't like us. We'll leave. Cover your own asses.
Posted by: RMcLeod || 06/03/2004 2:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Good for Rumsfeld. Having troops in SK as the "buffer" to a nutbar always seemed very unfair to our guys. Take them all out. Let SK be upclose to their extended family and see if they still feel anti-American at that point. Also, it might come as a shock to SK as to how expensive it is to maintain a military.
Posted by: rex || 06/03/2004 2:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe they should have sent their own troops to Iraq, eh?
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 3:06 Comments || Top||

#5  The ingratitude of the younger generation South Koreans has been astonishing. This slap round the head is a good start.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 5:37 Comments || Top||

#6  Here's an editorial on the subject in an english language Korean newspaper.

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/06/04/200406040012.asp

This is a classic: Yes we don't like you and you are keeping us from the peacefull reunification with our norther brothers but.. don't leave.
Posted by: Canaveral Dan || 06/03/2004 6:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Extra-ordinarily smart move. I am really impressed. The Norks are no real threat. Imagine the Norks coming across the border and finding the skors are gasp! rich! tall, well fed! have all kinds of goodies!
Posted by: Phil B || 06/03/2004 7:10 Comments || Top||

#8  "We express our full solidarity with the South Korean people, and encourage them to visit our new condominium sales office."

The Vieques Island Chamber of Commerce
Posted by: snellenr || 06/03/2004 9:17 Comments || Top||

#9  RML - if those pampered pups have no idea what their parents and grandparents went thru, shame on the older generations for not explaining it to them in detail.

After all, their culture honors the elderly. They should give the elderly the benefit of the doubt that they do know what they're talking about.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 06/03/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#10  Way funny SneelenR
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#11  moral of the story - shouldn't mix politics with national security..
Posted by: Dan || 06/03/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#12  the Old Norks will be loving this news. In my opinion troops on the ground there are only asking for death anyway with so many of Kimmies artilary peices pointing there way,we need to rule the skys with airpower in that war and controll the seas to cut his supplys not fight it out with rifles when outnumbered 1000 to 1 by Norks.
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#13  Faster, please.
Posted by: docob || 06/03/2004 13:10 Comments || Top||

#14  “the Old Norks will be loving this news.”

Removing US soldiers will just feed their paranoia. The Norks will claim the US is removing troops in preparation for a nuclear strike.

Sometimes a paranoid is right, someone is out to get ‘em. Hehe.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 06/03/2004 13:38 Comments || Top||

#15  heh it's not "american" it's "american republican"

socialist 'democrats' sold their souls a long time ago
Posted by: dcreeper || 06/03/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#16  HAHAHAHAHAHA Don't sweat it, you've got all that "Sunshine" you've been spreading up north. Let the Dear Leader freakin have 'em.
Posted by: Anonymous5116 || 06/03/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#17  I don't think is that big a surprise, unless the South Koreans chose to ignore the signals from the US. There has been talk, for a while, of moving 2 brigades out of SK. The 12,000 troop withdrawl was proposed last year.

SK has twice the population and 40 times the wealth of NK. Withdraw the rest of the troops and let them defend themselves.
Posted by: ed || 06/03/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#18  As pleasant as it might be to totally withdraw from Korea,I have to admit part of me likes the idea of having airbases near China,and a friendly govt. to protect them.
Posted by: Stephen || 06/03/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#19  Stephen, while I understand what you're saying, I would in a half-jocular, half-serious vein respond "Okinawa," "Japan," "Nimitz-class," and (B-2) "Oklahoma." In any case, seems to me we should reduce our presence to airpower, anyway, while SK shoulders the rest of the burden. Long over-due. More to your point, I find it hard to imagine the circumstances under which SK would enable a US operation against China, in defense of Taiwan or whatever. Meanwhile, I second the kudos so snellenr -- hilarious!
Posted by: Verlaine || 06/03/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#20  Verlaine,I would point out that carrier aviation is short-ranged and while S.Korea prob.wouldn't allow strike missions from Korea,she would allow aerial-refueling and Awacs missions,which would be priceless.But,I would not like US servicemen to be stationed anywhere they are not welcome,or at least tolerated.
Posted by: Stephen || 06/03/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#21  ROFL, snellenr!

You're the winner of this thread.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||


Koreas Open Military and Economic Talks
Rivals North and South Korea opened sensitive military and economic talks Thursday in an effort to ease tension along the Cold War's last frontier. The military talks mark only the second time the generals have met face to face and come amid the international standoff over the communist North's nuclear weapons programs. The first meeting occurred last week in North Korea when both sides agreed to discuss ways of preventing naval clashes along their poorly marked western sea border. Thursday's talks, held at the South's scenic Sorak Mountain, are a follow up to those discussions. South Korea suggested setting up a telephone hot line and adopting a standard radio frequency and signaling system for their navies. North Korea suggested that both sides work on reducing provocative propaganda.
The usual: the capitalists have to offer up something substantial, the commies merely agree to change how they talk.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 12:23:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hey, when you're about to be deprived of 12,000 combat personnel, the choices are to either hang tough or get all chummy with your foes. Looks pretty evident as to which choice SK made....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  North Korea suggested that both sides work on reducing provocative propaganda.

That's about a 9.8 on the Unintentional Comedy ScaleTM!
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||


Europe
Spain Asshat Zapatero in embarrassing Iraq medal row
EFL and via InstaPundit
The Spanish prime capitulator minister has been dragged into an embarrassing political row after the Defence Minister handed back a medal he was given for his role in withdrawing troops from Iraq, it emerged Wednesday.
He received a medal for withdrawing troops! That sounds sooo French.
Zapatero granted the award to all those who helped in the withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq. Three generals also received the same medal during a ceremony in Madrid.
The disgrace.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 06/03/2004 11:50:11 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "He bravely turned his tail and fled..."
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you thought the neo-appeaser Euroturds couldn't possibly be all that...

...Zapatero tries to give a Cowardice Medal to the military and they don't accept.

Scrappleface could never have got away with such ridiculousness.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Must have been a "thanks for participating" medal.

Very common among Euro pussified nations.
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/03/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#4  LMAO... that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. He gave out awards for fleeing?!?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 06/03/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually, I think the military have taken theirs. Bet they're so proud... The real fuss is over Zapatero's premature presentation of the Cowardice Medal to his Defence Minister. Guess they're expecting a lot more cowardice from him in the future.

Wonder what the medal's design is? Pantaloons tied to a stick? Two raised arms? A bent rifle?
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Bulldog: The customary design for such awards is a central white stripe, bordered on the left by a red stripe, all on a field of blue.

Per your description some months ago.
Posted by: Matt || 06/03/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||

#7  The Spanish are the New French for the a new century. Next Spanish weapons factorys will switch production to white flags and thier Eurofighters will be forced to drop medical aid to hard up Arabs for which the pilots will get a nice shiney medal. Even the French wouldn't be this disgustingly brazen about thier cowardly nature. A truly awesome display of Spanish appeasment to Islamozoids.
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Oh yep Matt - thanks for reminding me!

As Zappy's new team are faithful little Euro-pups, perhaps they'll superimpose the EU's 12 mullets or on that design. (Mullets or presumably being French for 'golden mullets'.)
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 13:05 Comments || Top||

#9  If the pull out deserved a medal, what should the Spanish Troops who failed to come to the rescue of the El Salvadorians get, promotions and medals? If pulling out was a medal-worthy exercise, is Bill Clinton going to get one for Somalia (or Monica)? Reagan for Lebanon? And there is no choice but for this medal to be anything other than Yellow.
Posted by: Tibor || 06/03/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#10  Matt, I think that is a field of yellow not blue. Unless it is powder blue which is the universal sign of cowardice (UN Colors).
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/03/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#11  Wonder what the medal's design is? Pantaloons tied to a stick? Two raised arms? A bent rifle?

A small figure of a man bent over grabbing his ankles.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#12  A small figure of a man bent over grabbing his ankles.

Ah! The semaphore signal for "I'm French"!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/03/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#13  He gave them all medals, and their new uniforms -a pink skirt and a big swirly lollipop.
Posted by: Anonymous5116 || 06/03/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#14  This would not be a surprise to anyone who has ever watched a Spanish soccer game. All these macho guys who whenever anyone gets within a nose find themselves writhing in pain on the ground. Biggest fakers and divers in all of soccer. Ref misses it and awards a penalty kick and the team wins. Same thing just in a political form. At least if it was French you'd get two kisses to go with it.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/03/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#15  I would be the first in line to have given John F. Kerry's father a medal if he had pulled out when he was supposed to...(rimshot)
Posted by: Frank || 06/03/2004 20:01 Comments || Top||

#16  If the Spanish Left didn't learn the first time around, it's not a good idea to get the Spanish military angry, then they'd better be reserving table space among the streetside tables of the resturants of Paris where they can discuss what went wrong again this time.
Posted by: Don || 06/03/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||

#17  He should have accepted the medal and then later lobbed somebody elses identical medal over the fence to a public building. If he has to throw his own, he should scratch his name on the back and slip the groundskeeper a fiver for recovery services.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||


Expulsions fuel French Muslim fears
EFL
She came to France from Algeria when she was two years old and, for her and her family, Marseilles is home. Her husband works at an employment agency, and her father fought on the French side in the Algerian war. Yet Nacera fears that life has changed for the worse for Muslims in France, with Islam viewed with suspicion since the 11 September 2001 attacks. "We feel as if we’re being pointed out as the guilty ones - even we Muslim people living here in France feel as if we are somehow held responsible for the climate of insecurity which prevails in much of the West now," she tells me.

And for moderate Muslims in France, Nacera admits, there is an added fear - that more fundamentalist forms of Islam are seeking a foothold here, and often finding it among younger Muslims in the smaller mosques. "Ten or 15 years ago, we were living a peaceful form of Islam in France, and all of a sudden foreign influences came in and are changing things. Imams are coming from Afghanistan or Pakistan, going in to the little mosques in Marseilles, preaching another Islam, an Islam we didn’t know before," she says.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/03/2004 11:01:07 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We feel as if we’re being pointed out as the guilty ones - even we Muslim people living here in France feel as if we are somehow held responsible for the climate of insecurity which prevails in much of the West now," she tells me.

That's becuase, well, you are.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 06/03/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Might want to have your hubby get a few like minded buddies and put a bullet into the head of the new imans and his thugs. After awhile it wont be cool to be on that team.

Or you can pout and do nothing while they bully their way in.
Posted by: Lucky || 06/03/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Perhaps if they stood up to fight agains the militant Islam the rest of the French would look a bit more kindly upon them.
Posted by: Yank || 06/03/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#4  "Ten or 15 years ago, we were living a peaceful form of Islam in France, and all of a sudden foreign influences came in and are changing things. Imams are coming from Afghanistan or Pakistan, going in to the little mosques in Marseilles, preaching another Islam, an Islam we didn’t know before," she says.

Ah, so they did recognize the problem back then and did nothing about it? Sorry ma'am, but I'm all out of sympathy here.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#5  B-a-r - exactly! She identifies the complaint, and the cause, but just seems to be whining impotently. Like there's nothing she can possibly do about it. Does Allah help those who help themselves? If not, maybe she needs to find herself a new god.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#6  preaching another Islam, an Islam we didn’t know before

But were all-too-happy to embrace, apparently.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/03/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#7  B-a-r and bulldog - let's not to forget to add, that whatever "peaceful form of Islam" that they were practicing must have left someone wanting, otherwise these Imams wouldn't have found a receptive audience with which to take root.

If these Imams showed up with "enforcers" to put down anyone who objected, and they threatened the moderate Muslim's way of life, then it would be time to learn that sometimes you have to stand up to the bullies, even if it means a bloody nose. But, if they just rolled over at the first sign of intimidation, well hey, they do live in France.

stop whining that you're different than them, even while you passively get into bed with them.
Posted by: Dripping Sarcasm || 06/03/2004 18:44 Comments || Top||

#8  Ummm.... that last sentence was directed towards Nacera, not you guys. I just read it and it didn't come across as clear as it seemed when I was writing it.
Posted by: Dripping Sarcasm || 06/03/2004 18:47 Comments || Top||


Turks 'seize major arms shipment'
Turkey says it has seized a large quantity of missiles, rocket launchers and other arms from a ship which was heading from Ukraine to Egypt. Customs officials said the weapons were found in two containers after the ship was searched at the port of Ambarli on the north shore of the Sea of Marmara.
Only two containers? Must be small missiles then.
The ship's crew was arrested and an investigation was launched.
Ukraine to Egypt to....Gaza, perhaps?
Turkey has boosted security ahead of this month's Nato summit in Istanbul, to be attended by world leaders. Last month, police in the north-western city of Bursa said they had foiled a plan to attack the summit. Nine people were charged in connection with the alleged plot.
Different group than the arms ship, most likely. Stumbled onto the ship by accident while doing security checks. Good job.
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:35:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is that finders keepers?

Hmm, I smell incentive. Bonuses to those who find illegal weapons and Turkey supplements its' military at very little cost.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 06/03/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Nah, Turkish military has no use for Soviet-era missiles. Just a damned nuisance to dispose of them.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Daschle Wants ’Real Reason’ For Tenet Resignation
It took approximately two hours to come up with the first semi-conspiracy angle. Surprised?
And O.J.’s still looking for the ’real killers’...
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle told interviewers that he was taken by surprise when he heard of George Tenet’s resignation, but that he looks forward "to getting more information about the reasons why."
Will there be a ’leaked’ memo within two days?
Will Michael Moore announce that Tenet killed Jon Benet?
A Fox News interviewer asked Daschle if he thought Tenet was forced out, and the senator took the bait said he didn’t know "if he was forced out or if there was some personal matter involved, but whatever the reason, I’m sure we’ll find out."
That translates to: ’Yes’.
And who would he name as a replacement? Daschle thought it was "way too early" to decide that. Asked what he thought was going on with the resignation, and if it was slow, "Running the CIA’s gotta be one of the toughest jobs in town these days. I don’t know of many tougher jobs.
Why don’t you try the ’dreaded private sector’ and find out for yourself?
It’s a hot seat, there is no way out of the incredible complexity and challenges that anyone has to face." He also said that he thanked Tenet for serving his country and for going "through a lot of these fires," and reiterated that he looked forward "to learning more about the reasons for this resignation later."
Wait until the inevitable Tenet book comes out, which will be Daschle’s / Dems’ odds-on favorite for an October Surprise.
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 2:11:27 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sorry - mods, please relocate this post to Page 2.
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#2  News flash, Tom - you don't get to say squat about the emptying of the CIA director's slot - that's pure Executive privilege, pal. You ge tt" on the replacement candidates, but you don't get anything more. In short, fuck off.
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Like Sanford said, "Back to your cave, bat!"

We have bigger issues in this country than dealing with grandstanders.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/03/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#4  surprised Tom Thumb wasn't "deeply saddened and disappointed"
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#5  I for one hope that Tenet does write an "October" surprise book since he was the guy running the agency that said WMD's were a "slam dunk" and couldn't "connect the dots" on 911. These are the Dems and LLL's big claims and now they are licking their chops that he comes back to the "dark side"??! I doubt that Tenet will turn on Bush before or after the election since he will be tarred and feather in July by the bogus 911 commission who are looking for a scapegoat and now that he is resigned is the most convienent one to garner bi-partisan support (appointed by Clinton and stayed on for Bush).
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/03/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Public service at that level is like a gristmill. I can't imagine that being the sentinel against all terrorists allows for much downtime. He wasn't my favorite guy, but I took no pleasurein watching him get treated like Gerorge Foreman's heavy bag - and I don't mean his carryout at McD's - for 2.5 years. I hope he and his family find a quiet place. History will be kind to him in the end. "The wall" was an entirely stupid idea.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 16:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Not sure he can get a book out very fast, it would have to get cleared first (saw this speculation on NRO).

I suggest nominating Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton to the CIA. They turn down the offer, then blast them in the press for not being willing to step up to defend America.

If one accepts, then savage their ass in the confirmation hearings and then vote them down.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 06/03/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#8  Daschle - Tenet resigned just so YOU could have an excuse to put YOUR ugly mug on the evening cabal propoganda AGAIN. Jennings, Brokaw, and Rather are waiting with baited breath for YOUR philosophical waxings on how the President mistreated Tenet!
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#9  AP LOL you ole fool!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 19:20 Comments || Top||

#10  Super Hose, I agree.
Posted by: rkb || 06/03/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||

#11  What daschle needs to do for all of us is, stick his head up his ass.......and jump!

FUCK daschle!
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 06/03/2004 23:12 Comments || Top||

#12  RKB, Fox posted this Transcript: Tenet Talks Resignation Notice that Tenet thanks Bush for his support but doesn't express gratitude for Clinton giving him a promotion.

Note: Tenet's statements about accompanying his son to High School must be some kind of threat. Maybe the kid is getting bad grades. Can you imagine having Dad show up at all your classes?
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 23:34 Comments || Top||

#13  Daschle Wants ’Real Reason’ For Tenet Resignation
I want the 'real reason' the good folks of South Dakota keep electing cretins to the Senate.

Maybe senator is a Sioux word for village idiot?
Posted by: Darth VAda || 06/04/2004 0:07 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
The Robin Williams Peace Plan
This may be old, but it sounds as if Mork caught a clue:
I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan.
1. The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosovich and the rest of those good ol’ boys: We will never "interfere" again.
2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.
3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are.
France would welcome them.
4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5. No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a "D" (for "deport") and it’s back home baby.
6. The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise.This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the Army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9. Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The language we speak is ENGLISH.....learn it...or LEAVE...

Now, ain’t that a winner of a plan.
The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses." She’s got a baseball bat and she’s yelling, "You want a piece of me?"
Posted by: JerseyMike || 06/03/2004 11:40:09 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hey JerseyMike,
Would you provide a link to this article?
The title link points back to Rantburg.
Thanks.
Posted by: Guest || 06/04/2004 2:11 Comments || Top||


BREAKING Per Fox News - Tenet has resigned
Just heard on Fox that the worthless Tenet has resigned.
After intense scrutiny over the handling of the Sept. 11 attacks and the war in Iraq, CIA Director George Tenet resigned as head of the U.S. intelligence agency, President Bush announced Thursday. Tenet, 51, informed Bush of his decision Wednesday night and told CIA employees Thursday that he was resigning purely for personal reasons and longed to spend more time with his family. "It was a personal decision, and had only one basis in fact: the well-being of my wonderful family, nothing more and nothing less," a tearful Tenet told CIA employees Thursday. Speaking directly to his son, who was in the audience with his wife, Tenet said, "I'm going to be a great father."

During his late-morning remarks Tenet also praised President Bush: "On entering office he immediately recognized the importance of rebuilding our intelligence capabilities. ... He is a great champion for the men and women of U.S. intelligence and a constant source of support. It has been an honor for me to serve as his director of Central Intelligence. And I am especially proud of the leadership team that we have assembled in the intelligence community and which will continue fighting the good fight long after I have taken my leave."

The praise was mutual. “I met with George last night in the White House," Bush said. "I had a good visit with him. He told me he was resigning for personal reasons. I told him I'm sorry he's leaving." Bush said Tenet has "done a super job" and is the "kind of public servant you like to work with." Tenet's announcement came amid fresh controversy over intelligence issues, including an alleged Pentagon leak of highly classified intelligence to Ahmad Chalabi, an Iraqi politician. At the same time, a federal grand jury is pressing its investigation of the leak of a CIA operative's name, and Bush acknowledged he might be questioned in the case.

The CIA denied that Tenet's resignation was connected with any of those issues. "Absolutely not," said Mark Mansfield, CIA spokesman. Tenet will serve as the CIA director until mid-July, Bush said, and then CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin will serve as acting director. Among possible successors is House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, R-Fla., and McLaughlin.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 06/03/2004 10:32:40 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's the Breaking News banner on CNN.com

Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 06/03/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Is he joining the Kerry campaign along with Rand Beers, Richard Clarke, Joe Wilson, etc.?
Posted by: JAB || 06/03/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#3  about goddam time!
Posted by: muck4doo || 06/03/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#4  I agree - he should've stepped down after 9/11
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#5  #2, I'm guessing no.

I hope he figures that the Bush Administration was being VERY forgiving of him and his agency after the 9/11 intel failure.

Truth is, I'm surprised he was kept on at all.
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 06/03/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#6  I like the man. He was instrumental in developing the invasion plan for Afghanistan. That worked very well. He was fiercely loyal to CIA people. The 9/11 failure was a generalized failure of intel, imagination and oversight and can't be laid at his feet alone. Everyone missed 9/11. Whatever his mistakes, he is in no way, shape or form an "asshat". I wish him well.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Pelosi giving press conference - sez there were failures, blah blah, and that Tenet shouldn't be the only one to step down. Hmmm... lessee, any other Klinton hold-overs remaining?

*snicker*

Mebbe Dubya should nominate Poindexter and really get her shorts in a bunch.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Does the phrase "slam dunk" cause you to be less enthusiastic about supporting Tenet, #6?

Too bad Dick Cheney is otherwise engaged. He'd make a great CIA head and the Dims would have a group heart attack over it. he, he

When is Norm Mineta going to resign "for personal reasons?" I've been waiting....
Posted by: rex || 06/03/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Steve - I sympathize, but while everyone missed 9/11, it was Tenets job above all to NOT miss it, more than anyone else. and, as the saying goes, you have to fire the manager, since you cant fire the entire team. And Tenet with his affirmation to a questioning Bush, that he had rock solid evidence on Iraqi WMDS, while at the same time affirming CIA reluctance toward the Democracy building project, may be responsible for over emphasizing the place of WMDs in the justification for war - which seems to have been as large a strategic mistake as any in the Iraqi war. He may also be partly responsible for the decision to run an American occupation in Iraq, rather than one dominated by Iraqi exiles - for all the problems with Iraqi exiles, its really hard to see that we could have done worse with them than with the CPA approach. As for other issues, like the hunt for senior AQ (not one senior AQ guy caught or killed in over a year, AFAICT) the problems in Pakistan, etc I dont have any info, but I presume Bush does. Tenet may not be an asshat - i seriously doubt that he is - but its also not clear to me that hes a successful Director of Central Intelligence, such as we need at this point in time.

BTW, whats the source for Tenets role in the invasion plan for Afghanistan - Woodward? Ive thought that plan was essentially Pentagon.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#10  I don't think the resignation has anything to do with earlier intel failures, but more likey; upward pressure from the Abu Graib prison fiasco, as 'the chain' is being pulled!
Posted by: smn || 06/03/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#11  wouldn't it be a riot if GW nominated his Dad to take the position again! It won't happen but its fun to imagine.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 06/03/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#12  I can understand why Bush did not dump Tenet (at least initially after 9/11), but he has been in place way too long and the problems at the CIA are not improving.

However, beyond Tenet's resignation we need a recognition that the CIA has to do nasty things with undesirable people in order to guarantee our security. I don't know if that message has gotten through yet.
Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 06/03/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#13  ..One name that's popped up in the last few minutes is Rudy Guiliani...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/03/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#14 
Reported by Wonkette:
On his way into Marine One, Bush thought of something he forgot to mention at the press conference with the Australian PM: CIA director George Tenet has resigned for "personal reasons." .... Bush then turned back around and shouted over his shoulder, "Oh, and I totally knew about 9/11! Later."
.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#15  One name that's popped up in the last few minutes is Rudy Guiliani.
Mike-YAHOO!


Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#16  I looked for it in the Yahoo article and couldn't find it.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#17  BigEd, I don't know which Mike you were addressing.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#18  Steve Whiite says:

I like the man. He was fiercely loyal to CIA people.

Well you have given me a good reason to dislike him.
His loyalties should have been

1) To the United States
2) To the administration
3) To the CIA
4) To the people in CIA.

Ie if at one point the best way to serve the United States would have been replacing the CIA or firing half its people then he should have not a second of hesitation.
Posted by: JFM || 06/03/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#19  Mike in #13
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#20  Instapundit reacts:

UPDATE: Kathryn Jean Lopez has a glimpse of the future: "I can picture it all now. The Tenet press conference with Howard Dean's group and MoveOn where he announces that Bush is a failed leader. The October surprise book where he blames everything wrong with intel on W., Condi & the Pentagon."

That does seem to be the preferred path for the Bush Administration's washouts. Of course, his most telling charge would be "Bush should have fired me on September 11th!" And that one may be a bit awkward. (Read this piece from 2002, too: "Someone remind me why George Tenet still has a job.")

Reader Don Hoover emails: "I guess since Tenet was a Clinton apointee, he had to listen to Gore and resign. . . . Unfortunately, Tenet should have been fired 1/2001 and that's what will be missed in this coverage."
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#21  A little insight: George Bush I appointed Robert Gates as DCI late in his term because he wanted to start a tradition of CIA directors carrying across administrations. Of course Gates got out quick once Clinton showed up - he was so disgusted he didn't even include the Clinton years in his autobiography.

George Bush II probably originally kept on Tenet believing in the same principle of intelligence continuity, especially given the shortened time he had to put together a cabinet after the election squabble. Then, when 9/11 hit, even if he had wanted to fire him, Bush probably realized that continuity was needed in the near term, change in the long term.

At the same time, I question whether Bush really has it in him to fire anybody. I don't think he's the kind of leader who likes to move people around. He seems to like the people around him, rely on them, and try to keep them together.

I don't think you'll see an appointment other than the DDCI taking over so close to the election, but perhaps after the election.
Posted by: Sawt al-Shebaab || 06/03/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#22  I'm with Steve and "Sawt" on this one--Tenet appeared to be fairly competent and capable to me.
(Get real: I can't believe that some of you can comment on how well someone fills the job of CIA director--Like you would know!)
Yes, 9/11 was a big intell failure, but there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.
Tenet's people did the best they could given the curbs put on them before 9/11 by Congress and Clinton and the lack of coordination with the FBI that we now have as a result of 9/11.
If there's any current event that led to his firing, I'm going to guess that it's not Abu Ghraib, but the Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame tempest in a teapot.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#23  Speaking of which, has there been any real news on the Wilson/Plame Blame Game front, or just the usual?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/03/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#24  Theres plenty of interesting stuff up at the Corner (yes, I know i shouldnt read NRO, but when something like this breaks they can be quite good, and fast) One of them suggests Frank Gaffney for DCI. Note well - Michael Ledeen has been calling for Tenets head for awhile, apparently.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 13:15 Comments || Top||

#25  by the way, i hope im not considered a flaming leftie for taking NRO seriously.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#26  I don't see Tenet going political hatchet on Bush. He was in too deep and most of it would blow back on him.
Posted by: remote man || 06/03/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#27  I don't see Tenet going political hatchet on Bush. He was in too deep and most of it would blow back on him.

Far more intelligent men have taken far more harebrained courses of action ...

(Don't mind any apparently "senselessness" in that statement, I'm just feeling blue after two "liberals on the rise" article readings, one in the NY Sun and the other in the Wall Street Journal.)
Posted by: Edward Yee || 06/03/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#28  LH, I never suspected you were a neo-con.

Bush should replace Tenet with one of the people who really do know it all: Richard Clarke, General Zinni (et tu, Tony?), the editorial board of the New York Times, Paul Krugman, any BBC reporter or Guardian columnist, etc. I'm sure given real power they'd straighten things out in a few days.
Posted by: Matt || 06/03/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#29  I wonder if this isn't Bush finally cracking down on the interagency strife within his administration.
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#30  matt - i consider myself more of a, well, new democrat/liberal hawk than a neo con - but my differences with neocons are 80% on domestic policy - on foreign policy, though im not in 100% agreement with neocons, im far closer to them than to most Democrats. Especially if we're speaking of the more moderate neocons - William Kristol, Robert Kagan, and Paul Wolfowitz. Im not really a hardcore Michael Ledeen fan, but he does say interesting things from time to time. I like my Kristol and Kagan mixed well with genuine liberal hawks, like Paul Berman, Marty Peretz, and Christopher Hitchens (though Hitch is rather too far left for on non WOT matters) I also like Andrew Sullivan alot, although he does get a bit obsessive on the marriage thing.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#31  It will be Heineken six pack for me.... And, oh yes, Wolfowitz for CIA director!
Posted by: Sorge || 06/03/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#32  Sorge, that (Wolfie as Director) would rock...but the Left will go bananas!
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#33  I suspect that W is slow to fire, and generous with second chances, based on his own life story. This is a guy who had a problem with booze, became "born again," and as a result gave up the booze and changed his own life rather remarkably. You'd expect a guy like that to give others who may have fallen a generous opportunity to redeem themselves. I don't know if that's what happened with Tennet after 9/11, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#34  if dubya has the cojones to nominate Wolfie, i'll personally come back here and congratulate him.

You like Wolfie, Jen? How odd.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#35  Not odd at all, Liberalhawk.
I make no secret of the fact that I'm a proud neocon and backing Wolfowitz is totally consistent with everything I've had to say here.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#36  I had some considerable experience with, as David mentioned, the largest nation in the Muslim world, spending three years there, three years in Indonesia as the U.S. Ambassador to that country. I know what tolerant people the most of those 200 million Muslims in Indonesia are. And I believe that, in fact, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who really aspired to, but to what we enjoy, freedom and the prosperity that freedom engenders

Mr. Paul Wolfowitz
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#37 
In the West, critics' views on the eighty-seven-year-old known as "the dean of Middle Eastern scholars" are more clear-cut. Conservatives tend to hail him as a priceless gem—the only scholar both erudite and honest enough to tell us the inflammatory truth about the condition of modern Islam. Leftists, particularly among his peers in academe, tend to regard him as a servant of imperial power, prone to making demeaning generalizations about Middle Eastern society, and arrogant enough to consider himself an objective scholar. The rift has deepened as Lewis's influence on Paul Wolfowitz, the chief architect of current White House policy in the Middle East, has become public knowledge. For those who only know Lewis from his post-9-11 celebrity, From Babel to Dragomans, a newly published collection of Lewis' essays from the 1950s to the present, is a handy guide to his intellectual roots. Lewis's academic career spans seven decades—he enrolled in the University of London's School of Oriental Studies in 1933. A genuine scholar of Orientalism, unabashed by the recent denigration of the field by post-modernists, he believes in rigorous linguistic training, prodigious reading of primary sources, and a no-stone-unturned approach to scholarship. Before he became a national celebrity for telling us "What Went Wrong," Lewis delved as enthusiastically into such topics as the relative merits of donkeys and camels for medieval pilgrims, derivations of the Persian word for eggplant, and property law in the tenth-century Muslim provinces.

There is no doubt that Lewis's harsh critique of modern Islam stems from a deep affection for the civilization that it once was. As a student visiting Turkey in 1938, by a stroke of luck he became the first Westerner permitted to enter the Imperial Ottoman Archives. His recollection of the experience says much about his sentiments toward his field: "Feeling like a child turned loose in a toy shop, or like an intruder in Ali Baba's cave, I hardly knew where to turn first."


Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#38  Speaking to students at Georgetown University in Washington October 30, Wolfowitz emphasized the importance of being "more attentive to moderate voices in the Muslim world, for the better we can be at encouraging and amplifying those voices, the more effective we will be in leading the world ... toward ... values that will bring lasting peace."

Wolfowitz said he believes "there are hundreds of millions of moderate and tolerant people in the Muslim world who aspire to enjoy the blessings of freedom and democracy and free enterprise and equal justice under law." And, he added, "We must speak to them."

The battle of ideas "is not only fought in news media and newspapers and books and public debate," according to Wolfowitz, "it's also fought in those madrasas [religious schools] ... where poor children are given a chance to get off the streets and to study, but what they're taught there is not real learning. ... It's the tools that turn them into terrorists."

He suggested the possibility of funding moderate religious schools. Many Muslims, Wolfowitz said, have spoken out "against those who have tried to hijack their religion. Unfortunately, all too often, they have to do so in the face of threats and intimidation from well-funded extremists."

As a former ambassador to Indonesia, Wolfowitz said that he has friends in that country "who are exponents of moderation" who have a hard time finding funds for moderate schools and libraries to teach Muslims the truth about their religion, yet "the extremists can go around the world and get large quantities [of funds] without any difficulty." It is not a matter of not having resources with which to respond, he explained, but "we lack the means to deliver them."
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#39  I realize what a highly "nuanced" (new favorite Liberal Dimocrat concept) guy you are, Liberalhawk, but I could care less.
I'm tired of arguing semantics with you and taking up Fred's bandwidth with infinitesimal shades of meaning that you don't "get."
I support Bush, Wolfie, neocon Conservatism and moderate Islam if it can really be moderate (but I have my doubts and I'm sure Wolfie does, too).
Bush--over the howls of the Left--also appointed Daniel Pipes to a post and he holds pretty much the same view of Islam as Wolfie and Bush.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#40  pipes was appointed to a minor advisory board, IIRC. that the left howled about that was a sign of the academic lefts descent into trivia.

And theres nothing particularly nuanced about this. Wolfie has NO doubts that moderate Islam exists, or that it is completely in keeping with the history of a great civilization. That is THE CORE of the admins grand strategy. This is all about your unwillingness to face that wolfie and Bush dont hold the "islam is not a civilization" line that some Bush supporters hold.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#41  fred is usually able to speak for himself.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#42  Lh, bottom line is that the Bush Administration has shown that it is tolerant of moderate Islam and that this is not a war on Islam itself.
The ball is now in the courts of Muslims as to whether they can regulate, reform and moderate themselves.
This will be on an incident-by-incident basis.
You were asking about the difference between Indonesian Muslims and Soddie ones.
If you think of Islam like a disease, Sods are the source of the illness of radical Islam and probably will be the last to give up their Waahab jihadi Islam and to embrace peaceful Islam.
They are the funders and instigators of almost all the violent jihad that we see today and every attack is a victory for Allah to them.
Indonesians are different in all ways than Sods (Asia isn't Arabia) and thus responded differently to the Bali bombing because they haven't caught the "jihad disease" very badly and its violence is inimical to their nature, culture and customs.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#43  The question, Liberal"Hawk", is not whether Lewis, Wolfowitz, even Bush say there is such thing as 'moderate Islam'. The question is not even whether they believe. The primary question, the one that must be answered before all others, is whether, as a matter of fact, any existing, credible version of Islam is compatible with Justice. If the answer is no, we should proceed to the destruction of Islam itself.
Posted by: Sorge || 06/03/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#44  Sorry: also posted on another thread:
It's about time, although no rational person can really accept his 'personal reasons' excuse, along with the usual 'needing to spend more time with my family' palaver. Remember the 'slam dunk' statement and who (or whose department) made it. And Tenet sat right behind the Secretary of State when Powell made the speech to the UN...
Powell has now publicly stated that the information he was provided was "inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that I am disappointed, and I regret it." Well, everyone should damn well regret it and this information was provided by the department under Tenet's direct supervision. Everyone should be tired of 'leaders' who say things like "This incident happened on my watch, and I take full responsibility" and then do nothing and take no personal responsibility, except perhaps promising to 'fully investigate the matter' and appoint committees to look into the issue.
Metaphor: if a US capital ship ran aground and was seriously damaged -- even in the middle of the night when the captain of said ship was abed -- what do you think would happen to the captain? The pious 'happened on my watch' statements would never even be made because these would be a given, and the captain would find his career over.
Posted by: BK || 06/03/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#45  that may be your question,sorge, but mine was about what Bush believes. My belief may be incorrect, and you are free to argue that. But for someone to charecterize my belief as lefty, and to denounce it in the name of the neocons, when my beleif is SHARED by the neocons, makes rational discussion impossible. It as if I said we needed more troops in Iraq, and you said, no we went with the right amount, and i denounced you as a lefty and an enemy of the bush admin and a dupe of the NYT for saying so. It would be extremely hard to discuss things. You have to have a rational fact based discourse first. Whenever I attempt to substantively discuss the nature of Islam here, Jen comes in with ad hominems attacking me as a "lefty" - which is particularly disconcerting, since the views i am asserting are in fact the stated views of the admin about which she is so solicitous. When i point this out i get more ad hominems. Frankly, this is interfering with the substantive discussion of Islam.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||

#46  hmmmm... LH you win easiy. I advise you to fling away the pork chop however.
Posted by: Harpi || 06/03/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#47  Whether or not you blame Tenet for 9-11,the CIA under his charge failed horribly in run-up to Iraq War.After firmly stating Iraq had WMD stockpiles,the CIA has produced no intel as to where they are.Sec.State Powell was totally sandbagged in UN by France.If the CIA had informed Powell that France was completely opposed to force in Iraq,the administration would have handled pre-war diplomacy completely differ.The CIA should have been on top of UNSCAM and connected dots between bribes paid to France,Russia and their opposition to Iraq War.Under his watch,the CIA failed in intel-gathering and analysis.(Anyone remember bombing Chinese Embassy by mistake?To date,there is still doubt whether the Sudanese milk factory was a weapons lab.)
Posted by: Stephen || 06/03/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||


US Is on Brink of Major Military Change in Korea and Europe
The United States is ready to change fundamentally its military presence on the Korean Peninsula and in Europe, where static U.S. defenses have stood guard for decades, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday. "It's time to adjust those locations from static defense to a more agile and a more capable and a more 21st century posture," Rumsfeld told reporters flying with him to this Asian city-state.
It's long overdue, if you ask me.
While declining to discuss specifics, Rumsfeld's remarks were a clear indication that after months of internal Pentagon calculations about how best to array American forces abroad, and after a period of consultations with U.S. European and Asia allies, the first major changes are about to be happen. Rumsfeld did not mention perhaps the most immediate change: the move of a 2nd Infantry division brigade this summer to Iraq from its traditional posts in South Korea. The Pentagon has not said whether that unit would return to South Korea after its Iraq duty, but that appears unlikely.
"Goodbye, so long, and thanks for all the kimshe!"
Responding to concerns expressed by some in Asia that removing 3,600 U.S. troops from Korea for use in Iraq - and possibly several thousand more at a later time - would be seen by communist North Korea as a sign of American weakness, Rumsfeld said such an interpretation would be mistaken. "This country will not weaken the deterrent or the defense capabilities that we have, even though numbers and locations may shift and evolve as technologies evolve and as circumstances change," said Rumsfeld, holding an on-board news conference on his E4-B modified 747 jet which serves as a flying national command post equipped for use in wartime. "We have been for a long time, in effect, where we were when the Cold War ended," he said. There are about 37,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, about 47,000 in Japan and about 100,000 in Europe.
Not for long.
Rumsfeld flew 22 hours nonstop from Washington to Singapore to attend an international security conference called the Shangri-La Dialogue, where he is scheduled to deliver a speech on U.S. security policy on Asia and the Pacific on Saturday. He said he also planned to meet separately with his counterparts from Japan, South Korea, Australia and Singapore, in addition to visiting U.S. sailors and Marines aboard the USS Essex, a helicopter carrier that is in port at Singapore. Rumsfeld said he would fly to Bangladesh later Saturday for talks with government officials about their military's possible interest in peacekeeping operations either in Iraq or Afghanistan. He said he did not intend to formally request that they send troops to either country.
"Err, thanks, but no thanks."
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 10:29:32 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  About time!! I don't have any stars on my collar, but even I can see the most logical move this side of Spock. The South Koreans are ungrateful, and I would bet my bottom dollar, they would fight for they're way of life then letting 'Kimmy' put his footstool in they're doorway. And as for the EU; it's 'Buck Up Time'!
Posted by: smn || 06/03/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#2  So long, Itaewan... buh-bye, Harry's of K-Town...it's been real, we had a real fine time, but gotta go, other priorities, ya know... y'all stay in touch, you hear?
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/03/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Park a carrier in the vicinity of South Korea and Taiwan. See if he moves.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 16:29 Comments || Top||

#4  I enjoyed my years in Germany, paid for mostly by the US taxpayer, but that was then. This is now, when the threat of the Soviet Union is no more and new threats lie in different places.

Head 'em up and move 'em out.

And that includes Bosnia, etc., too - FIRST. Let the Euros nuance their way through that genocidal mess.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Should leave just enough ground troops to guard the air base at Osan. Everyone else out of the pool. Were the Norks to attack, unfettered use of airpower would quickly solve their overpopulation problem. The main axes of attack from the North would very quickly become "highways of death."

On the other hand, Itaewon will never be the same. All the stores will have to pull out their Japanese signs again.
Posted by: RWV || 06/03/2004 18:48 Comments || Top||

#6  As for Europe, significantly reducing our current basing structure would still provide adequate protection from any would be Napoleons. Airpower based in Iraq, Britain and Italy could shred any attacking armies. The Euros can fight their own ground war against terrorists.
Posted by: RWV || 06/03/2004 18:52 Comments || Top||

#7  visiting U.S. sailors and Marines aboard the USS Essex, a helicopter carrier that is in port at Singapore

I love it. Formula 3 carrier still scares the hell out of most of the world.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 19:25 Comments || Top||


Breaking: Tenet resigning from CIA
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 10:35 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If true, then possibly the best news I've heard since the capture of Saddam.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Where have you been, Aris? Putting in some overtime building those stadiums?
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 12:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Have to agree w/Aris,tho maybe for differ reasons.Under Tenet's "leadership" the CIA screwed up royally.Given Bush's refusal to fire him previously,timing now is one of three things:

1)Chalabi mess claimed him

2)Committee on 9-11 is going to single him out as fall guy

3)It's time for him to go work for Kerry.
Posted by: Stephen || 06/03/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Katsaris shouldn't be so pleased...Tenet was one of our finest Americans of Greek heritage!
And AK has said twice that he wasn't gonna post here anymore.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Tenet was one of our finest Americans of Greek heritage!

And if I was a nationalist, to think that the actions of others reflect on me merely because of common heritage, I'd be ashamed of him.

The Chalabi mess alone would be worth his resignation even if he had had an exemplary record before that- and he most definitely didn't.

He should have been "resigned" a long time ago.

And AK has said twice that he wasn't gonna post here anymore.

Unfortunately I don't seem to have the discipline not to comment on things that interest me. Bad of me. Will have to work on that.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Katsaris, you and your fix on nationalism being the source of all Evil...too funny!

As for the "Chalabi mess," I'm still not sure what that's about, if anything, except a way for the State Department to bite back at the Pentagon which is par for the course in the Beltway right now.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Katsaris, you and your fix on nationalism being the source of all Evil...too funny!

Just one third of all evil. Racism is another third, and religious fanaticism the last third.

I'm placing the Stalinist/Maoist/etc fanatics under the "religious fanaticism" category.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 17:16 Comments || Top||

#8  , except a way for the State Department to bite back at the Pentagon which is par for the course in the Beltway right now.

Really??
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#9  Really.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#10  Wow, thanks for the info.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#11  It's about time, although no rational person can really accept his 'personal reasons' excuse, along with the usual 'needing to spend more time with my family' palaver. Remember the 'slam dunk' statement and who (or whose department) made it. And Tenet sat right behind the Secretary of State when Powell made the speech to the UN...
Powell has now publicly stated that the information he was provided was "inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that I am disappointed, and I regret it." Well, everyone should damn well regret it and this information was provided by the department under Tenet's direct supervision. Everyone should be tired of 'leaders' who say things like "This incident happened on my watch, and I take full responsibility" and then do nothing and take no personal responsibility, except perhaps promising to 'fully investigate the matter' and appoint committees to look into the issue.
Metaphor: if a US capital ship ran aground and was seriously damaged -- even in the middle of the night when the captain of said ship was abed -- what do you think would happen to the captain? The pious 'happened on my watch' statements would never even be made because these would be a given, and the captain would find his career over.
Posted by: BK || 06/03/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#12  AK go ahead and post here.

Of course you can be a nationalist without identifying yourself with people of the same national descent. Tenet is NOT a citizen of Greece. Perhaps im getting into the distinction (made by John Lukacs) between "nationalism" and "patriotism" I sense of loyalty to, and responsibility for, the political entity of which one is a citizen, seems to me essential to democracy. This is different from chest beating.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#13  "...[a] sense of loyalty to, and responsibility for, the political entity of which one is a citizen, seems to me essential to democracy. "
Nope. According to AK, that's nationalistic, too, and must be stamped out!
Good try at trying to look like everybody's pal that's to the Left of most RBers.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#14  I like having diverse opinions here Jen. I think Fred does too.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#15  Nope. According to AK, that's nationalistic, too, and must be stamped out

Actually, no. Don't try to interpret my sayings, Jen, you always, ALWAYS get it wrong.

Liberalhawk> between "nationalism" and "patriotism"

The two qualities are orthogonal. Nationalism is an ideology -- patriotism a virtue. The one signifies what one considers the primary building block one must base one's political thoughts around (the same way that communists treat the class, and racists the race, so do many nationalists treat the nation). Patriotism on the other hand is about the willingness to sacrifice oneself for the good of the many.

Nationalism needs other nations in order to define itself -- same way that racism needs more than one race and believe in the fight-of-the-classes believe in the existence of more than one class. Patriotism doesn't need anything external.

To put it simply, patriotism is altruistic and nationalism is selfish: but instead of the individual self it substitutes the "Greater Self" of the nation instead.

I sense of loyalty to, and responsibility for, the political entity of which one is a citizen, seems to me essential to democracy

Aye. Though I'd have said "responsibility to", actually. I'm not responsible *for* anything but my own vote/actions/opinions, but I have a responsibility *to* my country and community.

Not certain if my English is good enough in this -- I hope I've made the distinction adequately.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||

#16  "I hope I've made the distinction adequately."
Naturally, you haven't.
When we're being patriotic, you accuse of being nationalistic.
It's all semantics to me and Greek to you.
And then what you say is Greek to most of us.
So there.
If you're the least bit patriotic to Greece, get off your butt and make yourself be responsible for getting those Olympics on track!
Neither the security nor the venues are ready to go.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 18:23 Comments || Top||

#17  When we're being patriotic, you accuse of being nationalistic.

With the exception of those veterans here who've risked life and limb for their country, I have no evidence any of the rest of you has been "patriotic".

Someone isn't being "patriotic" through mere words that cost him/her nothing, Jen. "Patriot" is a compliment to be awarded to you by *others* if you prove worthy of it.

Usually by dying.

So, don't be so immodest as to call *yourself* a patriot, Jen. Just say that you try to be a patriot, and that's enough.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 18:29 Comments || Top||

#18  Oh, I am indeed a patriot.
And while you may demean and smear my participation in the war effort, I consider my blog (and to a certain extent my participation here) to be a contribution to the war of memes, hearts and minds that is being waged on in the information front.
I'm too old to suit up and join the military, so it's the best I can do for my country.
That and contribute my vote and my money to the Bush Administration, the GOP and our military.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#19  And while you may demean and smear my participation in the war effort, I consider my blog (and to a certain extent my participation here) to be a contribution to the war of memes, hearts and minds that is being waged on in the information front.

And so do I my own contribution. But frankly unless we're in a position where we're actually endangered or HEAVILY inconvenienced because of these actions of ours, we can't know whether we are here because we're patriots or because we are just doing what we desire to do.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#20  I'm here because I'm a patriot.
And I am heavily "inconvenienced"--the blog takes up a good part of my time and my life and has for the last 2 years.
There are a million other things I could be doing.
But my country was attacked, 3000 of her citizens were slaughtered in peacetime and we are now at war with Islamist terrorism on several fronts.
So I devote my mind and my computer and my pocketbook to backing my country and my President and to fight this war.
As for "endangered," I've experienced some of that, too, but I won't go into the details.
There is always a price to pay for making a stand.
If you think I do it for fun, you're crazier than I thought.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 18:56 Comments || Top||

#21  Jen, you are getting close to a parody.
Posted by: Harpi || 06/03/2004 19:28 Comments || Top||

#22  Call it what you like, my personal troll Harpi.
I'm quite serious and am exaggerating nothing.
BTW, "harpy" is spelled with a "y" properly.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 19:34 Comments || Top||

#23  I'm not usually doing that but I'd call myself a German patriot, in the sense of someone who is deeply rooted in his country, is proud of its achievements, laments its failures and strives to make it better: all this without ever looking down on any other nation, American or Albanian. A nationalist always defines the "supremacy" of his country with the "inferiority" of others.
My father, who took part in the July 20th conspiracy to save Germany was called a "traitor" then (and well into the 1950s), yet he considered himself a patriot, and rightfully so. A patriot is not necessarily someone who waves a flag or puts the biggest bumper sticker on his car.
I remember June 6th 1944, when my father quietly celebrated the news with us, that the invasion had started. Quietly, because we all knew that many Germans would die and our country would face defeat. But he knew that this defeat was necessary for the survival of the Germany he believed in.
And he was right. Without the invasion, not even the Rhine would have stopped Stalin's army and not only Germany's, but Europe's future would have looked bleak.
In his way he was absolutely loyal to his country although he knew that people would not thank him for that.
That's what I call a real patriot.
It's easy to be proud of your country when it's in the right.
Posted by: True German Ally || 06/03/2004 20:30 Comments || Top||

#24  I hope your father survived the subsequent retaliation and the war. Perhaps we have been conversing with a Canaris, Beck or even a Stauffenberg? If not, my hat is off nonetheless.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#25  None of these names. Many other people were involved in July 20th. And were killed quietly.
And no, he didn't survive it.
Posted by: True German Ally || 06/03/2004 22:13 Comments || Top||

#26  It is 60 years late and perhaps meaningless from a stranger, but you have my condolences.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 22:48 Comments || Top||

#27  My condolences also.

I remember a few years ago when in a discussion in a Greek forum I had referred to those same Germans who had conspired against Hitler as examples of true patriots -- back then I hadn't imagined I'd ever know any of their relatives.

And thank you btw for bringing a new and meaningful perspective to so many of the discussions here.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/03/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||

#28  Aris, your three thirds don't really account for the following examples of other sources for evil: Lust for Personal Power (I sincerely doubt that Sadaam was really a nationalist,) Lust for Sex (unless you consider a rapist or a pedophile to be a religious fanatic and pure dementia (there is a psychotic side to Sadaam that lust for power doesn't cover - he was writing bad novels as the invasion swallowed him.) I don't know how to characterize the Honor Killing but it has more to do with personal pride than with any religion.

As for patriotism and heroism, True German Ally has distilled its essence - a selfless willingness to make a personal sacrifice so the benefit of your society or team. Actually, I think Tenet's service has been pretty selfless. His effectiveness is certainly open to debate, but I don't question his commitment. I wish he and his family the best.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/04/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#29  Dear Aris:

Please do stick around at Rantburg if possible. I actually look for your posts to read. Sometimes we disagree, but I find your opinion valuable and you often make me think. I appreciate this.

Best Wishes,

Posted by: Traveller || 06/04/2004 4:41 Comments || Top||

#30  Super Hose> The "three thirds" were more off an automatic response to Jen, not a long-thought out answer. But even with the excuse of a fast response, I was thinking more of evil-doing ideologies, not about all forms of evil worldwide from child-neglect to bank-robberies to abusive parents to rapists. Those clearly don't apply.

Obviously not *all* crimes can be attributed to the forms of tribalism I mentioned -- it's just that usually those crimes that cause great masses of people to follow them do.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 06/04/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||


Terr deported to Syria. Coal exported to Newcastle.
Nabil al-Marabh, once imprisoned as the No. 27 man on the FBI's list of must-capture terror suspects, is free again. The Bush administration in January deported al-Marabh to Syria - his home and a country the U.S. government long has regarded as a sponsor of terrorism.
Unbelieveable.
Story has the odor of fine ripe fish. Something is going on behind the scenes we don't know about. Maybe they found he was not as big as they thought he was, maybe holding him would have blown another operation. Hell, maybe he'll turn up claiming we deported him to Syria to be tortured.
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 06/03/2004 9:49:13 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  supposedly because we didn't want to reveal secret intel. I would've leaked that he was a Mossad spy before deporting him.
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#2  They didn't want to blow the cover of someone very important to the WOT evidently.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/03/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#3  ...Or maybe we're quietly letting the word out that Mr. al-Marabh was of enormous help to us. *G*

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/03/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#4  I would've leaked that he was a Mossad spy before deporting him.

Frank G - You Machiavellian rascal!
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#5  This is because we can't enter evidence against these people without letting them look at the info on informants and operations. Thanks a lot you stupid Judges!
Posted by: Charles || 06/03/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, we have been improving our Humint lately especially in Arab speaking countries. Could he be a new recruit?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 06/03/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#7  At a certain point Americans will realize that the discovery requirements for trail in American courts make them incompatible with prosecution against terrorists and possibly drug traffickers as well. I think that the innovative Israelis have discovered the solution to terrorist prosecution. It also prevents prison overcrowding.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||


Recently Deported Syrian Implicated in Various Terrorist Activities
From Associated Press
Nabil al-Marabh was No. 27 on the FBI’s list of terror suspects after Sept. 11. .... Al-Marabh served an eight-month jail sentence and was sent in January to his native Syria .... One FBI report summarized a high-level debriefing of a Jordanian informant named Ahmed Y. Ashwas that was personally conducted by the U.S. attorney in Chicago, signifying its importance. The informant alleged al-Marabh told him of specific terrorist plans during their time in prison. ... Internal FBI and Justice Department documents reviewed by AP show prosecutors and FBI agents in several cities gathered evidence that linked al-Marabh to:
- Raed Hijazi, the Boston cab driver convicted in Jordan for plotting to blow up an American-frequented hotel in Amman during the millennium celebrations of 1999. Al-Marabh and Hijazi were roommates at the Afghan training camps and later in the United States, and al-Marabh sent money to Hijazi.

- The Detroit apartment where four men were arrested in what became the administration’s first major terror prosecution after Sept. 11. Al-Marabh’s name was still on the rental unit when agents raided it. The men were found with false IDs and documents describing alleged terror plots.

- Several large deposits, withdrawals and overseas wire transfers in 1998 and 2000 that were flagged as suspicious by a Boston bank. The Customs Service first identified al-Marabh in 2001 for possible terrorist ties to Hijazi.
FBI documents said Al-Marabh denied being affiliated with al-Qaida. But he acknowledged receiving "security" training in rifles and rocket-propelled grenades in Afghan mujahedeen camps, sending money to his friend Hijazi, using a fake address to get a truck driving license and buying a phony passport for $4,000 in Canada to sneak into the United States shortly before Sept. 11. .... At one point in late 2002, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago drafted an indictment against al-Marabh on multiple counts of making false statements in his interviews with FBI agents. Justice headquarters declined prosecution. Fitzgerald declined through a spokesman to discuss the reasons.
That's a good sign they were either draining him or trading him for someone/something else...
Fitzgerald then tracked down Ashwas, the Jordanian who because of minor immigration problems had spent time with al-Marabh in a federal detention cell in 2002. Fitzgerald had the man flown to Chicago and oversaw his debriefing along with FBI agents from Chicago and Detroit, documents show. Ashwas alleged that during one of his encounters he helped persuade the prison psychiatrist to prescribe al-Marabh an anti-anxiety drug called Claripan and that al-Marabh began talking more freely, the FBI reported.
Yup. Drained him.
The FBI summarized Ashwas’ allegations:
- Al-Marabh said he aided Hijazi’s flight from authorities and sent him money, plotted a martyrdom attack in the United States and took instructions from a mystery figure in Chicago known only as "al Mosul," which means "boss" in Arabic.

- Al Mosul asked al-Marabh to attend a driving school in Detroit with Arabic instructors so he could get a commercial truck driver’s license, and arranged for al-Marabh to live in the Detroit apartment later raided by the FBI as a terror cell.

- Al-Marabh said he and Hijazi planned to steal a fuel truck from a rest stop in New York and New Jersey and detonate it in the heavily traveled Lincoln or Holland tunnels, but the plan was foiled when Hijazi was arrested.

- Al-Marabh acknowledged he had distributed money - as much as $200,000 a month - to the various training camps in Afghanistan in the early 1990s.
The FBI and prosecutors confirmed some aspects of Ashwas’ account, including that al-Marabh had been at the Detroit apartment, had trained at at least one Afghan camp and had gotten the truck driver’s license. Fitzgerald wasn’t alone in his efforts to try to bring a case against al-Marabh. Prosecutors and FBI agents in other states sought to get enough evidence to prosecute him. In Detroit, prosecutors developed evidence but weren’t allowed to bring a case connecting al-Marabh to the terror cell there. ....
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 2:21:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


More Details About Jose Padilla’s Involvement With Al-Qaeda
From The Washington Post. Edited to supplement a previous Rantburg posting.
.... According to the summary released by the Justice Department, [Jose] Padilla has admitted during interrogations to meeting [Khalid Shaikh] Mohammed, who dispatched him and an unidentified accomplice on a mission to blow up as many as 20 apartment buildings by sealing off units, filling them with natural gas and using timers to set off the explosions. New York was the most likely target, but Washington, Florida, Chicago and other targets were discussed, the government alleged. Padilla’s accomplice is also in custody, Comey said.

The government alleges that Padilla first came in contact with terrorist operatives during a trip to Saudi Arabia in March 2000, where he met a Yemeni recruiter, and would later meet with much of al Qaeda’s top echelon, including Mohammed; military commander Muhammad Atef, who became a mentor on terrorist tactics for Padilla; lieutenant Abu Zubaida; and Ramzi Binalshibh, who coordinated the Sept. 11 attacks. All are in U.S. custody except Atef, who was killed in a U.S. military strike in Afghanistan and whose body Padilla helped dig out of the rubble.

In March 2000, Padilla told U.S. officials, he made a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia, where he met an unidentified terrorist recruiter. Padilla made his way to Kandahar, Afghanistan, where his terrorist training allegedly began. The FBI obtained a copy of Padilla’s training camp application, completed under an alias and found in a binder with more than 100 others, according to the summary. At the al Farouq camp that fall, he was trained in firearms, communications, surveillance, explosives and other skills. During this time he met Atef, then al Qaeda’s military commander. The two would meet several times, including a session in July or August 2001 when Atef asked Padilla to blow up apartment buildings in the United States, the government alleged.

His partner in that first mission was another al Qaeda operative, Adnan G. el Shukrijumah, a trained pilot and one of seven al Qaeda associates named in the warning issued last week by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft. According to the summary released yesterday, Padilla and Shukrijumah -- who had known each other in the Miami area -- could not get along, and their mission was scrapped.

Shortly after Atef’s death in November 2001, Padilla and an unnamed accomplice approached Zubaida with a plan to "travel to the United States and detonate a nuclear bomb they learned to make on the internet," according to the government documents. Zubaida arranged for Padilla and his accomplice to propose the idea to Mohammed. But both Zubaida and Mohammed believed plans to use nuclear or radioactive material were impractical, and the two al Qaeda leaders steered the volunteers toward blowing up apartment buildings instead. Mohammed envisioned as many as 20 simultaneous explosions, probably in New York, but left the details up to Padilla, the summary says. ...

Padilla insists that "he returned to the U.S. with no intention of carrying out the apartment building operation," according to the government document. "However . . . Padilla does admit that he accepted a terrorist mission from al Qaeda, trained for that operation, and then traveled to the U.S." Comey said that FBI and Defense Intelligence Agency personnel conducted the interrogations and Padilla was not mistreated.

J.M. Berger points out in his analysis that the government’s report "does not cover Padilla’s activities in the United States prior to his departure (in September 1998) nor his connections to persons in the United States." Berger has pointed out possible relationships between Padilla, Shukrijumah, and Timothy McVeigh in Florida.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 1:36:52 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jayna Davis, author of new NYT bestseller, The Third Terrorist, has always maintained that there was an Iraqi connection to the Oklahoma Bombing. Here's her website:
http://www.jaynadavis.com/

The FBI and Justice Dept. had been dragging their feet on investigating any clues, evidence she sent them. I heard her interviewed on the Barbara Simpson show about a month ago, and Davis said that after Gulf War I, the US took in Iraqi asylum/refugee seekers and within that group were Iraqi intelligence officers who have "disappeared" into the woodwork. Because all of this is rather embaressing to our government, Davis thinks that's the reason no one wants to open this can of bad PR worms-ie. we're "liberating " Iraqis while back at the ranch Iraqi bad guys are plotting evil things against us, and are in our midst, as a result of having been granted asylum 15 years ago.

Here's an article by Michele Malkin that outlines the Iraqi refugee program that took place after Gulf War I.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20030403.shtml"Keep Iraqi POWs off American dole"
...After Gulf War I, the first Bush administration and the Clinton administration recklessly opened our borders to former Iraqi prisoners of war -- from conscripts to elite Republican Guardsmen. The resettlement program was launched in response to pressure from the United Nations, the Saudi government (which balked at taking in the captured soldiers), and our own feckless State Department (which has, and always will, act like a hostile foreign entity).

In total, the resettlement of Gulf War I-era Iraqi POWs and their family members in America soaked up some $70 million in taxpayer funds. No such aid was offered to American troops and their families who sacrificed during Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

"We find it disturbing that American taxpayers must fund the travel of former Iraqi soldiers (who took up arms against our own soldiers) to the U.S.," noted Rep. Donald A. Manzullo, R-Ill., in a 1993 letter to then-President Clinton. "Ironically, we provide the (POWs) with welfare services while asking our own veterans and service personnel to bear the burdens of deficit reduction."

Even more outrageous: the laxity of screening procedures for these enemy prisoners of war before they were allowed to settle across our home front, from Florida to Michigan, Illinois, Oklahoma, Texas and California...



Posted by: rex || 06/03/2004 2:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Even these allegations against Padilla are even close to true he is the definition of the word "traitor." Try him, and if he's found guilty, the death penalty.
Posted by: RMcLeod || 06/03/2004 2:26 Comments || Top||

#3  The current left-activist Supreme Court may well have already decided to blow a hole in their legitimacy a mile wide with their forthcoming decision. This stuff could be laying the groundwork for end-running or simply ignoring it.
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 3:01 Comments || Top||

#4  "mission to blow up as many as 20 apartment buildings by sealing off units, filling them with natural gas and using timers to set off the explosions"

Sounds like somebody was watching Fight Club...
Posted by: Mitch H. || 06/03/2004 8:54 Comments || Top||


Iraq
A letter home from Maj D.G. BELLON, USMC
Hello Infidels!! Maj Dave wants you to know something you don’t see on your favorite alphabet network station!!
Enjoy, and in the name of Allah enjoy the reading about the cancer that eats at this shithole of a town and it’s populous that we all know and love as Fallujah.


Dad -

Some interesting developments out of Falluja and Iraq in general that I wanted to share with you. Since we have agreed to stay at arms reach with Falluja, we have been able to focus our efforts on the surrounding towns and villages. The result is that we have made great inroads in breaking up insurgent cells through ambushes and raids. Even more important, we have began to establish an early and still fragile rapport with the people of these areas. The areas are historical sanctuaries for terrorists so they are important.

One town in particular that we have been successful in is near Falluja. During the April fight in Falluja, the muj took the town over and used it as a base of operations of sorts. From all reports, they were brutal on the people and very quickly subjugated the town. During one of the ordered pauses in the Falluja fight, we chopped a rifle company off the line with a very aggressive battalion commander. Basically he was told that we thought the muj were running lose in the area and that he should head up there and "develop the situation." I have gotten to know this guy pretty well here. He is a very good commander and a tough guy. In fact, I remember telling him that if he went past a certain point, he would be decisively engaged. We had estimated that if he got into a decisive engagement, he could be outnumbered by as much as 5:1. You can imagine what he did. He took his Marines right to that point.

Sure enough, the fight was on. It was a 360 degree engagement that lasted 8 hours. An 8 hour firefight is an eternity. To put it in perspective, this guy was in both OIF 1 battle for Baghdad as well as the Falluja fight. He states that the firefight up near this town was the toughest he has been in. We fired quite a bit of artillery and brought in a number of sorties of close air for them. By the time it was over, the estimates (now confirmed) are that they killed over a 100 muj. We could not understand why they kept coming but they did (more on that later). Throughout it all, very accurate mortar fire up to 120mm was falling inside the Marine position. Automatic weapons and RPGs were crisscrossing through the perimeter. The Marines just
laid their in the micro terrain and squeezed of well aimed shots.

The Battalion Commander stayed that day until his guys broke the muj and he "owned the field" (his words). He then withdrew back to his original position. In the same town, we now have Marines living 24/7. They are conducting joint patrols with the Iraqi Police and the ICDC (Iraqi Civil Defense Corps). When they first arrived, the people were very standoffish and even hostile. Now we are getting more and more walk up intelligence (where the locals literally risk their lives in order to walk into our lines and tell us where the muj are). The reason for the turnaround is simple. We have pushed through the bow wave of intimidation and terror that dominated the town when the muj were there. The Marines did it through aggressive raiding and downright obstinate refusal to budge regardless of the costs. The people were watching the entire time and have made up their own minds where their best future lies. It has gotten to the point where the mujahadeen are now firing mortars indiscriminately into the town as it is the only effective means of maintaining any kind of influence over the people. Yesterday, they grievously wounded to citizens doing just that.

That is not to say that the town is a bed of roses for the Marines as we still have plenty of contact in the area and it is very dangerous but we are grinding them down and are about to put a good pounding on the enemy in the next few days. The people are talking and we are about to pay some more visits in the middle of the night. I could give you a couple more examples but it is a good illustration of what kind of work the Marines are doing every day.

As far as Falluja goes, we have not been allowed to get back in there with any real numbers yet. Initially, it was confounding. However, a very interesting dynamic has developed. Since we have stayed out of Falluja and focused elsewhere, the mujahadeen have had their run of the town. As they have had no one to fight, they have turned their criminal instincts on the citizens. The clerics who once were whipping these idiots into a suicidal frenzy are now having to issue Fatwas (holy decrees) admonishing the muj for extortion, rape, murder and kidnapping. It is unfortunate for the "innocent people" of Falluja but the mujahadeen have betrayed themselves as the thugs that they are by brutalizing the civilians. There are, in fact, reports of rape, etc from inside the town.

While the muj are thugging away inside the town, we are about 1/2 mile away paying claims, entering into dialogue and contracting jobs. The citizens come outside the city for work and money and are treated like human beings. They go back inside and enter a lawless hell. In short, the muj have done more to show the people what hypocrites they are in a few short weeks than we could have hoped for in a year. The result is more and more targetable intelligence. If we are given the green light, we can really go to town on these guys (no pun intended). However, as much as we would like to do just that, the optimal solution is to empower the Iraqis to take care of it themselves. That is precisely what we are doing.

Equally astounding is evidence that these "holy warriors" are taking drugs to get high before attacks. It true, as we pushed into the town in April many Marines came across drug paraphernalia (mostly heroin). Recently, we have gotten evidence of them using another drug BZ that makes them high and very aggressive. Cowards and hypocrites. They don’t have the nerve to fight without calming their fear with drugs. Between highs, they are robbing people and raping young girls. Some jihad.

Unfortunately, Al Qaeda is here and they are some of the most brutal beings that you can imagine. I say "beings" because they do not qualify as human beings. They prey upon the "holy warriors" above and are in league with them teaching them tactics and employing them to execute attacks. Money to pay for the attacks comes from neighboring states. Al Qaeda, the same people that espouse creating a Islamic State that is global and living under the "purist form of God’s laws", are working with drug addicts and rapists. Someone will have to explain that on to me some day.

For now we are gearing up for the inevitable offensive that the former regime guys, local criminals and Al Qaeda will wage this summer. It will be brutal as they are on a systematic campaign to murder anyone who is even half-way moderate. If any leader gains traction that is not 100% anti-coalition and pro-anarchy, is at immediate risk. Yesterday’s positive world media coverage of the naming of the interim government will probably accelerate the mayhem somewhat. It is a fight that is inevitable. So long as we can keep the Iraqi people’s nerve up and keep as many leaders alive as possible, we will crush the enemy when he surfaces. We are hopeful to take a little wind out of their sails with some pre-emptive work over the next few days.

I will let you know how it goes.

Love,

Dave

Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 06/03/2004 10:29:39 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks for posting this. I'm proud that we have sent such great people to Iraq on this mission. They represent our country well.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/04/2004 1:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I saved the site under my favorites. I have missed the inside scoop we used to get from the embeds from the NC Times
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/04/2004 4:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Yea,I sometimes wonder why they stopped embedding reporters.
Posted by: Raptor || 06/04/2004 7:38 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Philippine Separatists Deny Hosting Egyptian Terror Suspect
The separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) yesterday vehemently rejected charges that it hosted Hassan Bakre, an Egyptian national who had been arrested in the southern Philippines over alleged links to the Al-Qaeda network. Ameril Umbra, chief of the MILF’s 109th Base Command, said he cannot remember any instance of Bakre visiting the group’s Camp Omar, “much more to taught inside the camp.”
"Nope. Nope. Never happened."
“Hasan Al-Bakre has nothing to do with the MILF. He is just a simple Egyptian trader framed by the authorities for a still unknown reasons. He is innocent of all those charges,” separatist spokesman Eid Kabalu said in a separate interview.
"Framed! I tell yez he wuz framed!"
Earlier in the day, Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief of staff Gen. Narciso Abaya said the Egyptian national had confessed to having even fought with MILF members against government troops four years ago. Abaya and other military officials said Hassan trained with other Egyptian and Indonesian militants at the MILF camp. He was said to be a bomb instructor. Abaya said Hassan arrived in the country in 1999 from Malaysia along with six other foreigners. He stayed at theMILF’s main base, Camp Abubakar in Maguindanao province, and later hid in Camp Omar after government troops captured Camp Abubakar in 2000 Abaya said Hassan is also suspected to have have trained some members of the Jemaah Islamiyah, an alleged chapter of the Al-Qaeda in southeast Asia, in demolition.”
Posted by: Fred || 06/03/2004 10:15:15 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
THE IRANIAN HERESY
Posted by: tipper || 06/03/2004 19:42 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A great article. It gave me a new and different perspective on Iran.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/04/2004 2:51 Comments || Top||


IAEA Report on Iran's Nuke Stuff Here
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/03/2004 15:48 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iran to continue making centrifuges
TEHRAN: Iran’s top nuclear official said Wednesday the production of nuclear centrifuge equipment would continue for the time being, despite a previous promise by Iran to the UN nuclear watchdog to stop all activities related to uranium enrichment. Hassan Rowhani said authorities had yet to reach an agreement with three private sector production facilities involved in making centrifuge parts for them to halt their work in line with a pledge to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
"Hey, we want to honor the deal we made with the IAEA, but these private companies just keep churning out those centrifuges. We can't do nuthing about it, they won't return our calls."
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:30:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That Star of David bullseye is just moving across the sands....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||


Iranian Women Protest Against Oppression of Iraqi Women
From IranMania
Hundreds of chador-clad women held a brief rally Tuesday in front of the British embassy in Tehran, the latest protest sparked by US-led coalition’s military action in Iraq’s holy Shiite Muslim cities in Iraq. During the largely calm demonstration by up to 800 Islamist women, there was only minor stone-throwing at the embassy walls coupled with the shouting of slogans. .... At the end of the one-hour rally, the demonstrators read out a declaration on behalf of Iranian women to express sympathy and support to Iraqi women, in which they called for "a stop to human rights violations, the deflowering of women’s honor and the killing of children". Police kept a close eye of the protest, but in lesser numbers than during last month’s rallies. The street outside the embassy was only blocked for 10 minutes. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 3:07:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It would have been funny if not so sad..
Posted by: Anonymous5098 || 06/03/2004 5:23 Comments || Top||

#2  I have to admit.. I'm confused
Posted by: dcreeper || 06/03/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#3  These are women who identify with the agressor (Islam).

They should look in their own backyards if they want to stop human rights violations, the deflowering of women's honor and the killing of children.
Posted by: ex-lib || 06/03/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#4  The Iranians are being lied to in a big way by the mullahs.
God knows what they're being told about their lady neighbors next door by what they call the media there!
One of the latest outrages from Iran is that woman judge (can't remember her name) who was put up for a Nobel prize who's the consummate sock puppet of the mullahs: she wants women to remain oppressed and subjugated and under the veil.
These 800 women are, no doubt, her fan club.
Among the many benefits of the WOT, the biggest has been and will be the liberation and empowerment of MILLIONS of women in the Arab world!
Ladies Akbar!
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||


Mullahs Decorate Highways With Murals of Lynndie Leashing Moslem
From IranMania
Iran’s Islamic regime, already famed for its unflattering artistic depictions of anything American, has made the latest addition to Tehran’s roadside murals -- paintings of US troops abusing Iraqi prisoners. The new paintings, recently put up along a busy highway in the leafy north of the capital, are mere depictions of some of the photos that emerged from Baghdad’s notorious Abu Ghraib prison. Now commuters will have the daily treat of seeing a hooded prisoner with his hands wired to electric cables, as well as the infamous Private Lynndie England with an Iraqi inmate on a leash.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 3:03:21 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "That Lynndie England, she is one hot, freaky chick--er, I mean, a vicious infidel criminal who should be beheaded! Do you have her phone number?"
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 9:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Seems the reason they are so worked up about this is explained in the other blog re: dogs. Those prisoners don't like dogs because they may be confused for them.
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#3  I think the turban fascination with the Lynndie England pictures is the same as CBS News and the rest of the US media, they are fascinated with soft porn and homoerotic imagery. There's no other rational explanation for the neverending stream of stories justifying constant display of the images.
Posted by: RWV || 06/03/2004 22:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Mike, that is beautiful. I bet the photographer wishes he/she/it copyrighted the photos. I bet Vivid Videos will be "hard" at work on an Al Grhaib feaure as soon as the HIV scare dies down. Maybe Lyndie will star as herself. I doubt she will be in the military much longer and teaching kindergarten doesn't look like it's going to be an option for her.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||


Iran Intends to Start Pumping Oil Fields It Shares With Iraq
From IranMania
Iran intends to go it alone in developing oilfields it shares with neighbouring Iraq, one of the Islamic republic’s deputy oil ministers was quoted as saying Tuesday. "Iran and Iraq share a few joint oilfields. We cannot wait and see what government takes power in Iraq, and if it is about to cooperate with us or not," Hadi Nejad Hosseinian told the Sobh Eqtesad newspaper. "We are ready to cooperate with the Iraqis through mutual coordination or even joint exploitation once they are prepared," the deputy oil minister said.

His comments come despite the recent formation of a joint committee to examine the joint development of oilfields -- Kushk-Hosseinieh, Azadegan, Dehloran, NaftShahr and West Paydar. Quoted earlier by the oil ministry’s news agency Shana, the deputy head of the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) asserted Iran was still keen on joint projects with Iraq. The official, Mehdi Hosseini, said Iraq’s awarding of contracts to US firms would also not pose a problem.

Since the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime, Iran and Iraq have stepped up energy cooperation, including an agreement for Iran to export 300,000 barrels a day from its southern ports on Iraq’s behalf in exchange for oil piped to a refinery in Abadan just inside southwestern Iran.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 2:58:55 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Prayers to Allan Fail to Prevent Lightning Bolt from Zeus
From Persian Journal (linked from IranMania)
Citing an informed source at Qazvin Governor’s Office, the reason behind crash of the helicopter carrying Qazvin governor-general and the commander of Qazvin Province Police Force, was absence of lightning rod, reported by Siasate rooz conservative newspaper.

"Lightning rod is installed on the helicopter’s propeller. The rod discharges the fuselage of the craft. The first lighting which struck the helicopter set it ablaze. The chopper, thereafter, exploded and crashed at the mountain foot.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 2:51:04 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Earthquates and lightning bolts from the sky. Hmmm. Can you say "Mene, Mene Tekel Upharsin", Blackhats?
Posted by: Mercutio || 06/03/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Earthquates and lightning bolts from the sky

Talk about symbolic foreshadowing....
Posted by: Anonymous5112 || 06/03/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Lightning rod is installed on the helicopter’s propeller. The rod discharges the fuselage of the craft.

Uh-huh. While it's in flight, Maxwell?

Bzzzzzzzt! Sorry, next contestant...
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#4  More likely a fuel leak. They still haven't figured out that allan doesn't do the preventive maintenance...
Posted by: PBMcL || 06/03/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||


Mullahs Pretend to Approve of Iraq’s New Government
From IranMania
Iran is "happy" with the Iraq’s new interim government, the Islamic republic’s top national security official said Wednesday, adding its formation was a "step towards a return to sovereignty". "This government may not fulfill all of our expectations, but it is a step forward. We are happy that this government has begun its work," said Hassan Rowhani, a cleric who heads the Islamic republic’s Supreme National Security Council. "We hope that this government organises free elections that lead to the formation of a national government and national sovereignty," he added.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 2:43:07 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  After he turned away from the microphones, he said to his aide, "And those 10,000 agents we sent across who managed to register for the coming election, can you believe there were no rules for qualifying voters?, heh, should make up for that twit Tater."
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 2:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Way off topic:

.com,

This is an e-mail from a friend who just left Kingdom. Is there anything that can be done to make the details of the Khobar slaughter be known to a large segment of the population? Weblogs help but something more drastic has to be done! I know I sound like a lunatic, but God help us if Kerry is elected. And he might very well be, if the voters are counting on the media to get a clue of what this war is really about.

"... I got back safely today. XXXX was
relieved. She was a lot more worried than I had thought. I sat near
one
lady and her kids on the flight up to Amsterdam that I could hear
telling
someone that they were getting out because of the Khobar attacks.
There
were probably others on the plane. People here in the States are
largely
clueless about what is going on over there, unless they have insidde
information like XXXX has from me. Over here they believe its just
about
oil. They didn't get the details about what was done to those people
in
Khobar by the terrorists."

XXXXX
Posted by: Anonymous4617 || 06/03/2004 3:38 Comments || Top||


Iran threatens Israel with matching reply: Nuclear facilities’ bombing plan
via HiPakistan, salt to taste... EFL
TEHRAN: Israel will suffer a "painful" response if it dares to attack any of Iran’s nuclear facilities, the Islamic republic’s top national security official warned on Wednesday.
Can you feel the love?
"I do not think Israel will make such a stupid move because it knows fully well how we will respond," Hassan Rohani told a news conference. "Our response will be painful to Israel," he said, but dismissed all talks of an Israeli attack as "propaganda".
So, uh, they’re not coming, it’s propaganda, but if they do we’ll, uh, um, we’re talking real pain here, so they better not. Right.
Last month Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Iran was "probably the main existential threat" to his country. Both Israel and the United States suspect Iran is developing nuclear weapons under cover of an effort to generate nuclear energy.
Yup. He gets it, sorta...
In 1981, Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear facility, and there has been speculation it may consider doing the same for Iran - which continues to call for the destruction of the Zionist state.
And these calls are not casis belli for pre-emptive action, of course, just a little joke among friends.

...more, but this is what’s "new"...

Nope, the Black Hats aren’t worried, nope.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 2:42:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My money is on Israel.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 06/03/2004 8:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Me too!
Posted by: Phil B || 06/03/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Let's loan Israel an air strip in Iraq in return for completing the job by June 30.
Posted by: Mullah Buster || 06/03/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#4  What's the Iran AF's first line fighter-bomber? (Flyable, I mean. The F-14s don't count.)
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#5  they'll probably send chem/bio tipped missles at Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't already have operatives mixed in with the Paleos ready for targeting or dispersal of chem/bio weapons.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 06/03/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#6  What's the Iran AF's first line fighter-bomber?
According to their website, the Iranian Air Force has the following aircraft: F-4 Phantom, F-5 Tiger, Shenyang F-6, F-7 Airguard, F-14 Tomcat, MiG-29 Fulcrum, Su-17/20/22 Fitter, Su-24 Fencer, and Su-25 Frogfoot. Unless they bought a bunch of spare parts on E-bay, I think we can write off the old US aircraft.
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#7  Betting the Mig-29 and the best and brightest are on alert near the nuke sites.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Just try it Iran! lol love to see em try. watch the human wave attacks by Iranian infantry try and reach Israel, yeah there gonna get real far.I'm sure if Iran started then several other stupid countries in the area - read Syria,Sauidi - may join in with them and get a kickin too!
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#9  #7 Betting the Mig-29 and the best and brightest are on alert near the nuke sites. yeah but they'd never even know what hit em if the operation was carried out properaly,besides a f-15s flying CAP/Escoting the stike package should deal with them easy. Not to ever underestimate an eneamy but remember Serbia and Iraq too they both,or should i say the people that hoped they would win all said oh yeh the Mig 29 rah rah rah but at the end of the day they and thier pilots wrer shit
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#10  ...Just before I got out, one of our F-16 drivers from here at Shaw AFB whacked a MiG-29 while on a strike mission - flicked the switch, Fox One, switched back to air to ground and pressed on. The Iranian Air Force is a problem, not a threat.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/03/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#11  To anyone interested in a possible Iraeli raid, I highly recommend the book "Raid on the Sun". It describes the attack on the Osirak Reactor near Baghdad in 1981. The Israelis took a fairly straight route to hit the Osirak reactor and it took every bit of fuel they could manage. They did not refuel in flight. They stripped down their F-16's and added every possible external fuel tank. They had to finagle the centerline tank from the US because the US Government would not sell it to them intitially. They were not sure the planes would even get off the ground.

Attacking Iran from Israel is a much harder propostion. Do they have aircraft capable of attacking without refueling? Does Israel have aerial refueling capablitiy? Would the US look the other way as they crossed Iraqi airspace? How many targets would they have to hit? I suspect the technical difficulties are beyond Israel's capability (but they proved the F-16's manufacturers wrong in 1981, so who knows.) If it is going to happen, I think it will have to be a US operation and soon.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#12  take Israel and give the points.
Over /under on mullahs despatched to paradise
is 10,000.
Posted by: Anonymous5075 || 06/03/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#13  AF Sgt in Iraq: Sir, I've got unidentified bogey's entering Iraqi airspace from Israel!

Officer: No you don't.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 06/03/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#14  The IDF does have a refuel capabilty but it's hard to say if it would be robust enough for the required strike.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#15  Does Israel have aerial refueling capablitiy?

If so, just keep a KC-10 on standby. :)

If Iran is going to wage war by proxy on the U.S., then I see nothing wrong with assisting Israel if they decide that they need to take out Iran's facilities.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 22:16 Comments || Top||

#16  I can just see it:

Israeli pilot back from a successful raid, looks down on Qatar and sees a sign:

"Food, Gas, Exit here"
Posted by: badanov || 06/03/2004 22:24 Comments || Top||


Mullahs Pretend to Disapprove of Attacks on British Embassy
From IranMania
Iran’s clerical regime "does not approve" of any violent attacks against the British embassy in Tehran, a top official said Wednesday following a string of angry demonstrations outside the downtown compound. "Iran does not approve of violence against the British embassy by anyone," the head of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, Hassan Rowhani, told a news conference. "If demonstrators take advantage of the situation and throw stones or use hand-made bombs, we definitely disapprove of it," he said.

In recent weeks crowds of angry protestors have held a string of demonstrations outside the British embassy here in response to US-led coalition attacks inside the Iraqi Shiite holy shrine cities of Najaf and Karbala as well as the abuse of Iraqi prisoners. Some of the protests saw Islamist radicals attempt to storm the compound, prompting clashes with security forces. The rallies have also been marked by the throwing of home-made bombs and stones.

Rowhani asserted that "embassies in Iran are covered by our security, and the throwing of stones at a foreign embassy mocks Iran’s security. We do not approve of this and whoever did it. There is, however, no problem with people’s expressing themselves, chanting slogans, issuing declarations or making speeches," he said. The latest demonstration came on Tuesday, when hundreds of chador-clad women held a brief rally in front of the British embassy to call for the closure of the mission and the expulsion of London’s ambassador, Richard Dalton.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 2:40:24 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Perhaps we should open a US Embassy there to take the heat off the cousins. It could be a solid block of concrete and they could knock themselves out, literally, attacking it. Therapeutic.

"hundreds of chador-clad women held a brief rally in front of the British embassy to call for the closure of the mission and the expulsion of London’s ambassador, Richard Dalton."

I think this is a mis-translation. I think they said that Dick Dalton was "hot" and his "emissions" were "explosive." He really should try to stop being a show-off - the impotent Mad Mullahs are pretty sensitive.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 2:49 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
David Warren says Iraq now Sovereign...Bush Surprises World Again
Rope-a-Dope works! Bwahahahahahah!
Posted by: john || 06/03/2004 3:01:13 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heh-heh-heh. Not bad for an "incompetent moron."
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
13 suspected Taliban killed in mountain clash
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/03/2004 15:01 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Excellent. Only 2 wounded. 13 cockroaches sent to virgin-land and 13 arrested for interogation.
Posted by: anymouse || 06/03/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Muqtada Militia Attacks U.S. Soldiers
Task Force 1st Armored Division soldiers were attacked today during a search of a school near Kufa, suspected site of several recent mortar attacks, according to a Central Commands news release. While approaching the school, soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, 37th Armor Regiment, were fired upon with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms, the release stated. Soldiers returned fire, killing a ’significant number’ of attackers. Three soldiers were wounded, the news release said. A search of the school yielded two 82 mm mortar tubes, a 120 mm mortar tube, two RPG launchers with RPGs, a light anti-tank weapon, several AK-47 assault rifles, 10 hand grenades, 40 60 mm mortar rounds, and 20 120 mm mortar rounds.

The latest weapons find was one of several this week by U.S. soldiers. Soldiers from the 1st Infantry Division discovered two weapons caches in Tikrit June 1, adding to six caches found over the Memorial Day weekend. According to CENTCOM news release, soldiers discovered more than 60 artillery rounds under a bridge near Bayji June 1. Later that day, they stopped a dump truck carrying 137 artillery rounds. An explosive ordnance disposal team destroyed a portion of the rounds found at the bridge and transported the remainder to a coalition facility for destruction. Munitions on board the dump truck were transported to a coalition facility for destruction and the driver was detained. Division soldiers detained 60 suspected weapons smugglers and confiscated 1,650 artillery rounds hidden in nine trucks near Samarra May 31. The suspects were taken to a coalition detention facility for questioning and the weapons were taken to a Coalition base for destruction. In all, over the Memorial Day weekend, soldiers discovered six caches near Mansuriyah, Baqubah, Tikrit and Balad, according to CENTCOM officials. The weekend weapons caches contained more than 400 artillery rounds, 101 anti- aircraft rounds, 57 mortar rounds, 47 rocket-propelled grenades, a RPG launcher, a machine gun and other munitions.

In related news, coalition forces have begun using a new hand-carried device called Vapor Tracer 2 to detect and identify vapors and particles produced by explosives and narcotics. The detection system is currently being used in civilian airports throughout the United States to check people, baggage, vehicles and cargo for explosive substances. Vapor Tracer 2 uses an atmospheric sampling technique that is extremely sensitive and fast. Soldiers from Troop F, 9th Cavalry Regiment, used the Vapor Tracer 2 earlier in May on a mission to find a suspected cache of explosives. The Vapor Tracer 2 is now being used at checkpoints around the coalition’s central Baghdad "Green Zone."
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/03/2004 2:59:25 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  begun using a new hand-carried device called Vapor Tracer 2 to detect and identify vapors and particles produced by explosives and narcotics

Whats wrong with using Dogs and Pigs?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/03/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Troop F? or F Troop? Zakawi? or Heckarewe? No mention of Corporal Agarn?
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 06/03/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#3  And not just F Troop, but a Calvary F Troop. Classic!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/03/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#4  While approaching the school, soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, 37th Armor Regiment, were fired upon with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms, the release stated. Soldiers returned fire, killing a ’significant number’ of attackers.

Keep on killin' 'em, guys. The less there are of Sadr and his followers, the better it is for everybody else.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#5  You forgot the ", die" at the end of the headline...
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#6 

#3. That would be Cavalry, not Calvary!

Posted by: Anonymous5119 || 06/03/2004 19:13 Comments || Top||

#7  Vapor Tracer 2 to detect and identify vapors and particles produced by explosives and narcotics
Please don't put the vapor tracer on me, I rely on the good nature of the cavalry to make my way thru this wicked life.
Posted by: Blanche || 06/03/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||


’Fallujah Battalion’ Nabs More Than 6 Tons of Weapons
Two companies from the Iraqi National Task Force’s 2 nd Battalion, here netted more than 6 tons and seven truckloads of cached weapons on the outskirts of Al Tarmiya in a previously unreported four-day operation in May after sweeping through a hidden insurgent arms depot just south of the city. The operation, from May 20 to 24, 2004, a coalition coordinated mission, comes only weeks after widespread reports roundly criticized the unit for its role in an early April operation north of Baghdad. Battalion soldiers were alleged to have turned and run on their American partners before heading into a planned operation in Fallujah – a report disputed by the actual participants in the engagement. The find, consisting of nine sites in a roughly 4 kilometer-square area of dense “triple-canopy” palms just off an improved dirt and gravel road in the area, is being reported as the largest single-operation haul in many months as the Iraqi National Task Force and coalition forces continue the attempt to bring security and safety to the citizens of Iraq...

“It shows to everybody who had doubts about how well the Iraqi army would perform in the face of an adverse situation,” said Coalition Military Assistance Training Team 2 nd Battalion Senior Advisor, Marine Corps Maj. David E. Lane II – an Acquisition Support Team member, along with Garcia, especially familiar with the unit’s operational readiness. “After Fallujah, they come back and do the training – work harder than they’ve ever worked before – and still have the confidence to go out and accomplish missions that they’ve been assigned,” Lane said. “And the fact that coalition forces actually use them and they’re actually a part of the coalition demonstrates that they play a vital role in the security of this country,” he added.
EFL
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/03/2004 2:56:00 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  :O

Color me very surprised and skeptical.
It's wonderful if it's true.
Hell, it's fucking amazing if it's true.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 06/03/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||

#2  note, this seems to be the ICDC, NOT the Fallujah Protective Army.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:21 Comments || Top||

#3  It's the group that refused to go to Fallujah after being attacked during transport in Baghdad. Not ICDC, but Iraqi Army. The protective services in Iraq consist of the Iraqi Army, the Iraqi Police Service, the Border Police, Iraqi Civil Defense Corps and the Facilities Protection Service.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/03/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#4  thanks. What i meant was that this is NOT the group of local ex-soldiers who were recruited in April.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Chuck is correct -- but I think an on-site USMC witness wrote recently that the Fallujah bug-out was misreported, and that while several army units did not perform in Fallujah, one in fact did so. I believe this was an Iraqi Army unit. Also recall that the recruits to the new army were specifically told they would NOT be used for fighting other Iraqis -- given the history, that was not a minor issue, and puts the bug-out in some perspective (though it doesn't change the need for capable and reliable Iraqi security forces).
Posted by: Verlaine || 06/03/2004 16:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Chuck, do you know of a "guide for the perplexed" to the current Iraqi forces? Like which ones have "integrated" units, which are more regional in nature, etc.?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/03/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||

#7  Chuck, several marines have sent emails to various milblogs to state that the unit in question actually did not bug out. They were severely delayed by fighting on the way (where they appearently did well).
Posted by: David || 06/03/2004 18:53 Comments || Top||


Reuters Reporters Say Every Man on Iraqi Street Opposes US
From The Weekly Standard, an article by Dan Dickinson
When the Iraqi Governing Council announced the appointment of British educated neurologist and anti-Saddam dissident Iyad Allawi as Iraq’s new Interim Prime Minister on May 28, you would think that many Iraqis would have approved of the choice, or at least seen Allawi’s selection as a sign that the U.S. led occupation was at last starting to wind down. But that’s not how Iraqis saw it, at least according to Michael Georgy, a Baghdad reporter of the British owned Reuters, a 153-year-old institution that bills itself as the world’s largest multimedia news agency. In a "man on the street" piece, Georgy couldn’t find a single Iraqi who had a good thing to say about Allawi, or, for that matter, the United States. "Iraq is the same as under Saddam Hussein," said one hotel manager whom Georgy reports "refused to give his name." "I reject him," declared Hassan Ali, a policeman.

Just a few days earlier, President Bush outlined his commitment to a free Iraq and an end to the occupation in an address seen in both the U.S. and Iraq. The Iraqis, this time according to Reuters’ Alastair MacDonald, didn’t like that, either. "Bush is a scorpion. He is a liar," opined policeman Ayman Haidar. Again, no one could be found to say a good word about anything the Coalition does. Nor is this detestation of all things American a recent development in Reuters’ reporting. Indeed, from the start of the war, Reuters’ quotes make it very clear that virtually everyone in this country of 25 million, with its contending ethnic groups and its history of enduring one of the twentieth century’s most savage dictatorships, is united in at least one respect - they all hate Bush and America. No matter whom Reuters talks to, be they Sunnis, Shiites, or Kurds, male or female, they are all mad as hell, and they are not going to take it any more. Collectively, they are the "Angry Iraqi."
The article continues along this line.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 11:22:32 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  All except Iyad Allawi, Iraq’s new Interim Prime Minister, and other people that actually count.
Posted by: Lou || 06/03/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Was that Baghdad or Berkley? I someitmes get them confused. So three people equals the opinion of 25 million? I bet that at least the governing council like him. How about the Kurds? What about the Sunnis? Al Sistani has given his stamp of approval, they couldn't find one of his supporters? You sure this isn't the SF Chronicle or a Move On release?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/03/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#3  CS - The Kurds hate us too, apparently. Murat says so.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Reuters is far and away the champion of idiotarian reporting, but I didn't realize they had gotten this bad.

The line bewteen objective reporting and editorializing has vanished completely among the old media.
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/03/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#5  dosn't GWB have a 95% approval rating with kurds? guess they really must hate us - all 5% of them!
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#6  I think the problem is that they interview the same 10 people (originally vetted for their astounding stupidity or willigness to parrot whatever the reporter wanted to hear) every time. Slightly skews the results. Rooters. Consistently just to the Left of Trotsky.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||

#7  As Mel Gibson said in "Tequila Sunrise" (I think): "Oh, and what street is that?"
Posted by: St James || 06/03/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#8  I think they just print whatever the hell they feel like. If they interview people at all, they simply ignore anyone who tells them what they don't want to hear.

Reuters, Guardian, Independent... burned their credibility ages ago and are just preaching to the loyal perverted converted.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#9  I wonder if they actually left the hotel bar to take this 'poll'......
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/03/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#10  2LT Brian Suits said live on radio from Iraq yesterday that many Iraqies will say what it is they think you want them to say. He said he makes a point of asking questions of the folks and also asking that they tell him what they really think.

From what I was able to tell from his interview, they want US gone when the time is right and that they know whats going on and like the nation building. I trust what he says.
Posted by: Lucky || 06/03/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#11  For their next assignment, these Reuters "reporters" are going to Iran to interview the space aliens that landed near the nuclear "power plant" under construction. . .
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#12  Speaking of aliens, about 3am last night a UFO crossed over Washington state. One eyewitness was out checking on her dog and said it went from dark to broad daylite as the object went by. It also made a large racket. Another guy, a night watchman thought it was Christ himself come to shepard the flock.

Although some say it was a meteor and that it was flaming and split apart. Whatever it was it was big to put out that much light and noise.

Posted by: Lucky || 06/03/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#13  Apparently the reporters use the same translators that Sammy's Iraq Interior Ministry provided as "minders". So what do they think people are going to say to the translator? Do they think the translator is even asking the same question?

Derranged leading the blind.
Posted by: john || 06/03/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#14  Lucky...normally you are a pretty rational guy. You been hanging out with Mucky this morning? Mokin some dat weed? (Course if you can link to a source on this, even the Intelligent Post in Seattle, I shall backpedal furiously.)
Posted by: remote man || 06/03/2004 13:23 Comments || Top||

#15  The knives are out, my friends. Reuters, AP, BBC, Le Monde, Peter, Tom, Dan, Chris Matthews, etc. Something is reported re Iraq/terrorism every day in media with blatant/subtle bias. Recent example: I'm watching BBC coverage of opening of WWII memorial this past weekend on public TV WYCC in Chicago. Reporter goes to two WWII vets. One says Bush is a good man but not the guy capable to fight the WOT. Other guy says he doesn't understand why Americans are dying for people they don't know. End of comments. A couple of my aging hippie-type cousins would pounce on a reportage like that and say,"See, Mike? You DO get a different perspective from BBC. Not dolts who just never question the BS The Man is spreading. It was the same, like, in Vietnam, man." See? Iraq=Vietnam. So subtle the way the BBC does it. Just a little editing and it's Even The Greatest Generation is against The Cowboy.

This type of out-of-context "reporting" has been so pervasive for the past two-three months. First it was Paul O'Neill's book. Remember Dean quoting from it on the Sunday news shows? Then Richard Clarke's book and theatrics. Then Condi brooha Will she testify or won't she, UNDER OATH, dammit! Then Joe Wilson's book. Then Woodward's book. Oh, yeah, now it's Zinni's book. Abu Ghraib. Next, Clinton's book. All We, the uncleansed masses, hear is what Big Media believe to be appropriate. Let's Give You the Other Side of the Story. Only our enemies and adversaries are the ones telling the other side. Notice there are no stories about increased electric production to above Saddam production. Sorry, but I should be the one commenting on TV re Saudi Arabia, not Nora O'Donnell, not Eleanor Clift, not McLaughlin. Why don't Katy and Matt interview Iraqis living in the US re the future of the country? To illustrate I have reached my limit is that yesterday I watched Charlie Rose for only literally 5 seconds. He was interviewing Tom Friedman. Zap. Sorry, I can't stand his fisked, documented flip flopping portrayed as reasoned discussion. I turned channel to the 5th Wheel. I guess we need Blog TV just like there is talk radio for those of us who need to respond.

I guess after today's events, we should be reading about George Tenet's book signing with Simon and Shuster in about, oh, a month.

So, if this is the situation in the US, of course Iraq is easy pickings for Rooters, CNN, etc. to find people not happy about their quality of life. What does one expect after 35 years of Stalinism/Baathism/Islamofascism/Terrorism emminating from Iraq? But there is absolutely no proportion given in reporting. How about some mainline media stories on improvements? The ONLY thing Ive seen in the past several months was Fox Sunday Morning reporting on infrastructure accomplishments in Iraq. All in reaction to Nightline's reading of our military's dead (both combat and accidents) names, notice only for Iraq, not Afghanistan. This negativity is seeping deep into the crevices of the citizenry in the US, no doubt. So W, just what the hell are your people doing about it? Just give us the facts. Insist on national broadcasts. Speak up on the letter signed by Swiftboat vets. I showed my military files, why cant Kerry? Bush has to fight back eventhough in a gentleman's game it might be unseemly to respond to crazy charges, but this is not a gentleman's game, W. Faster, please. On all fronts. We're out there waiting for the counterattack.
Posted by: Michael || 06/03/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||

#16  Lucky - 'twas a hoax.

Michael - I think the knives were out long before this; there's just more of 'em now.
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#17  Michael, that's a most excellent rant. I've never seen wall-to-wall negative coverage like this, including (from distant memory) the coverage of Nixon during Watergate.

Just think what they'd be saying if things really were going badly in Iraq.
Posted by: Matt || 06/03/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#18  I just think it is awful that everyone hates us. We should have listened to the UN, and continued with the inspections. The Iraqis want to govern themselves and are not happy with being occupied. How would you like it if some country just came in and bombed everything, put Bush in prison, and then sent that Kimmel girl in to be a prison guard? Just because we are the strongest country doesn't mean we can just do what we want.
Posted by: Jennifer || 06/03/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#19  Jennifer, everyone DOES NOT hate us!
We are loved all over the world.
(Done any world travel? I have.)
I hope we never listen to the U.N.--No wonder they didn't want Saddam to leave; the UN was making BILLIONS off his Oil-for-Palaces program!
Saddam was a criminal who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, if not millions.
The Iraqis don't miss him at all.
Because we're the strongest country in the world and because we're America, it means it behooves us all the more to do what is RIGHT.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#20  Everybody hates us? Well, that is bad if our primary foriegn policy objective is to be well liked.

A friend of mine is of German descent. He happened to be visiting his relatives on Reunification Day, after the Wall came down. When midnight struck, a woman walked up to him and kissed him full on the lips. When he expressed pleasant surprise, the woman said, "But there are no other Americans in the room for me to thank!" She wasn't looking for any guys with blue helmets on, or any Frenchmen, or any Swedes.

Posted by: Matt || 06/03/2004 14:42 Comments || Top||

#21  We should have listened to the UN, and continued with the inspections.

Jennifer - Have you been measured for your burqua yet?
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||

#22  Let's see what we can do to spruce this one up...

In a "man on the street" piece, Georgy couldn’t find a single Iraqi who had a good thing to say about Allawi, or, for that matter, the United States. "Iraq is the same as under Saddam Hussein," said one hotel manager whom Georgy reports "refused to give his name" but he was in the bar at the time I was typing this. "I reject him," declared Hassan Ali, a policeman who was standing outside while I was waiting for a cab.
Posted by: eLarson || 06/03/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#23  IIRC, this "hotel manager" has been quoted many times. That must be a damn good bar he runs. And I suspect the "reporter" rarely gets below 0.15 blood alcohol level. Gotta keep up the tradition...
Posted by: PBMcL || 06/03/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#24  So under Jennifers logic the UN fatcats would still be profiting under the oil for food program - saddam still killing peoples - i am sure that poor guy who ran the the UN vechicle pleading for help is long dead - but the world would like us...if that is what it takes them scew the world..
this is not about saddam, the un , the french - it is about our national security..
Posted by: Dan || 06/03/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#25  Jennifer: I just think it is awful that everyone hates us.

This is because they are incessantly lied to by their local press and their government, which pump out disinformation in order to advance their national interests. You will never hear a foreign journalist criticize his government for doing sleazy deals because that has an impact on press licenses and could bring about libel suits and tax audits. Foreign journos are also extremely bigoted - they believe their countries' problems must not be due to internal causes - they are ethnically/racially/culturally too superior for that to be the case. This is why the US always gets the blame. Bottom line - foreign journalists are full of the nationalistic prejudice that Americans like Mike Wallace are free of when he said he would not warn Americans who were about to be killed if he managed to find out beforehand, while doing an investigative report.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/03/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#26  Julius Streicher was one man, Al Reuters is a gang of thousands. No problem, we have lots of rope.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 06/03/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#27  Jennifer, two things spring to mind - first your position based on emotion, rather than reason. Nothing else can explain your contention that we would have been better off with Hans Blix and company getting paid not to find WMDs and our UN "allies" on the security council taking billion dollar kickbacks from the "Oil-for-Food" program. Not to mention the collateral fallout of what you're advocating - the deaths of at least 60,000 Iraqi civilians (under Saddam about 5,000 died each month from malnutrition, torture and imprisonment) and Saddam remaining in power. Tell me, how does that benefit the U.S. or Iraqi people?

The second thing that comes to mind - "I just think it is awful that everyone hates us." Why? Why do you think it's just awful? That type of sentiment smacks of the obsequious approval seeking done by unpopular kids in highschool. Everyone hates us? Really? You polled them all and they all hate us? I don't think that they do, if they did then why do they keep coming to America in the first place, but even so - so what? Being an adult means doing what's right, not what's popular.

Back in the 80's the European left, specifically the French and West German intellectual elite, positively despised America. Why? Because Reagan dared to defy the conventional wisdom of the day and instead of adopting an attitude of reconciliation and submission toward the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact he adopted an aggressive posture, choosing confrontation over detente. Americans were thought of as boorish, arrogant, ignorant cowboys (sound familiar?) and we didn't care. Back then it was "get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!". So what happened? Reagan was right. The Soviets couldn't compete with Western free market capitalism and the cold war ended because two people, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher (he couldn't have done it without her) had the temerity to defy the elites and do the right thing instead of the popular thing.

If we'd done the popular thing back then we'd have been popular with the French and West Germans but there's a pretty good chance that half of Europe would still be dominated by the USSR and Warsaw Pact. There's also a good chance that none of us would be talking right now because we'd be dead and half the world would be a radioactive wasteland. I make the odds 3 to 1 against but even so, who wants to try those odds?
Posted by: Robert Modean || 06/03/2004 18:27 Comments || Top||

#28  Jennifer, why to you believe what Al Reuters tells you? Are you not aware that these people can edit and distort their accounts to create whatever impression they like?

I have been to 41 different countries at one time or another. Not everyone hates us, not at all.

The ruling elites hate us most places, and today that includes the institutional media.

There is a remarkable book, The Conquest of Cool by Thomas Frank. I have called this the most important book of the last 10 years. When all is said and done, and the people of the distant future look back on us, they may well decide that it was the most important book of the 20th Century.

Subtitled Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism it explains exactly where the global media culture is coming from, why its values are what they are, and how this appalling situation originated.

The media culture is the most powerful force in the world, stronger than the military, stronger than any political ideology or religion, stronger (it would appear) than the survival instinct itself, and it does have an agenda. That agenda is driven by the basest aspects of human nature.

In allowing this Hollywood/Madison Avenue Cultural Axis and its foreign imitators to control our world, we have placed ourselves in the hands of devils.

The saturation media are newer overseas than in the US, even in Europe. Public skepticism of the media agenda has not had time to appear. In terms of their susceptability to mediatarian rule, the people of most of the world are at the same stage where we were many years ago.
This is unfortunate because media power peaked some years ago in this country, perhaps in the 1980s, and has been declining ever since. It is in its heyday in the rest of the world.
For example, in the 1960s and 70s, the CBS anchorman and left-wing propagandist Walter Cronkite was named the most trusted man in America in several polls.
Today, this notion would be laughable in America. In Europe and especially the Middle-East, media authorties still have this kind of credibility and authority.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 06/03/2004 18:27 Comments || Top||

#29  “Just because we are the strongest country doesn't mean we can just do what we want.” Actually Jennifer we can do pretty much anything we want. If we want to capture ALL the oil fields in the Middle East there is no one that could stop us. If we wanted to turn China into a parking lot, nothing stands in our way. And if we want to capture a despot, lock up his thugs, free an oppressed people, and establish a Democratic style government in an Arab country we are very capable of doing that. As a matter of fact we (and the UK) are the ONLY countries in the world that have a track record of setting up Democracy in countries. Also if we want to detain unlawful combatants indefinitely few people complain (I still maintain that they should have been executed on the field of battle). Some people (LLL) might not like what we do but the majority of the civilized world cheering for our success and the defeat of Islamofacists. FYI I could give a rats @$$ what al-rooters reports.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/03/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||

#30  To quote from a recent Rantburg book of the month recommendation in regards to Europe a couple of snips from Anti-Americanism by Jean-Francois Revel......
"The United States fills a void caused by our [Eurpoean] inadequacy-not in our capabilities,. but in our thinking and our will to act"

"The pitying sniggers ritually directed against the American whipping boy by the European media, however, come from the most part from an ignorance so profound that it seems deliberate'


Posted by: Bill Nelson || 06/03/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#31  Just like the Germans "hated" the Americans in 1945?

Well, the New York Times said so. What went wrong?
Posted by: True German Ally || 06/03/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||

#32  The problem is the media believes its own BS. In part this is the 'film at eleven syndrome'. Whats news becomes what they have television footage to show and not whats important.

One thing that particular irks me at the moment is the media will interview an Iraqi who says security is the problem and then cut to the smoking remnants of a car bomb. I.e. the security situation is the terrorism, whereas I know that its a marginal factor in the lives of most Iraqis. I lived in Belfast when the IRA was setting a lot more bombs than the Iraqi 'resistance' manage and the media was doing exactly the same thing. Whereas if you lived there the bombs were considered a minor nuisance compared with good old fashioned violent and property crimes. And this is what the Iraqis are talking about.
Posted by: Phil B || 06/03/2004 20:58 Comments || Top||

#33  Not a hoax, Been seeing security camera shots all day. The thing was bright and noisy.
Posted by: Lucky || 06/03/2004 22:56 Comments || Top||

#34  Jennifer,
The media lost all credability for me when it swallowed Hilary Clinton's 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy' line as Gospel without batting an eye. Can you imagine what would happen in someone on the right (Quayle for example) said this? they would be publically ridiculed for months (just look at what they did to Quayle....)!

Between that an calling a 7% increase in medicare a 'slash which would starve millions of seniors!' (and knowing that they are lying through their teeth!) and their deliberate ignoring of a protest of 100K to 1M Iraqis (supporting america) last December proves that they are not much more then a bunch of liars.

I *hate* liars!

I am still waiting for Billary to apologize to the Right for being wrong (her husband was having an affair with 'that woman' after all!) but am not holding my breath.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/03/2004 23:22 Comments || Top||


New Iraqi Prez and Deputy Say Hussein Was Linked to Terrorists
From The Weekly Standard, an article by Stephen F. Hayes
Saddam Hussein "always had links with international terrorist organizations." On the face of it, this is not a controversial statement. It comes from a CNN interview of Iyad Allawi, recently chosen as the interim prime minister of Iraq. Allawi expanded on this assessment in a December 31, 2003, interview with CNN’s Bill Hemmer, when he estimated that more than 1,000 al Qaeda terrorists were operating in Iraq. But his more interesting comment came moments later. The al Qaeda fighters, he said,
were present in Iraq, they came and they were active in Iraq before the war of liberation. They were inflicting a lot of problems on the--and inflaming the situation in northern Iraq, in Iraq Kurdistan. They killed once about a year and a half ago 42 worshipers in one of the mosques in Harachi [ph] in a very ugly way. ...

Those people have had the backing of Saddam prior to liberation, and they remained in Iraq after the collapse, and after the vacuum was created. After the way, they remained in Iraq. Many joined them since then.
Allawi’s declaration that the Iraqi regime supported al Qaeda terrorists before the war in Iraq is intriguing not because of the claim itself, but because of the man making it. Allawi for years ran an Iraqi exile group called the Iraqi National Accord. In recent years, he was the Iraqi exile closest to the CIA. And although George Tenet has spoken repeatedly about the prewar Iraq-al Qaeda connection, he has been at odds with many in the bureaucracy beneath him. ....

But Allawi isn’t the only prominent member of the new Iraqi government to have suggested Iraq-al Qaeda connections. His deputy, Barham Salih, has also repeatedly alleged that Saddam’s regime supported Ansar al Islam, al Qaeda-linked Islamists in Kurdistan. "Yes, they hate each other, but they’re very utilitarian," said Salih. "Saddam Hussein, a secular infidel to many jihadists, had no problem giving money to Hamas. This debate [about whether Saddam worked with al Qaeda] is stupid. The proof is there." ABC News’ outstanding Pentagon reporter, Martha Raddatz, also reported on the Iraq-al Qaeda connection last week. But her May 25, 2004, report on Abu Musab al Zarqawi, an al Qaeda associate who joined forces with Ansar al Islam terrorists, buried an important detail. "In late 2002, officials say, Zarqawi began establishing sleeper cells in Baghdad and acquiring weapons from Iraqi Intelligence officials." (emphasis added).
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 11:17:03 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hayes has been a great bull dog on this subject. Too bad some organization considered to be main stream doesn't pick up on this.
Posted by: Lou || 06/03/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Look, if Tom Brokaw sez there's no link between Saddam and terror, then there's no link between Saddam and terror.

Case closed.
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/03/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#3  and hans Blix told me there are no WMD either so thats that case closed too! lol
Posted by: Shep UK || 06/03/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Look, if Tom Brokaw sez there's no link between Saddam and terror, then there's no link between Saddam and terror.

Maybe we should just release ol' Saddam from custody with a heartfelt "we're sorry" and pack up our things and go. That should placate all them members of the There-Was-No-Connection-Between-Saddam-And-Terrorists crowd. ;)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Allaw has been on the CIA payroll since 1991, so combined with his other faulty information (iraq purchasing yellow cake from Niger), you have to second-guess the truthfullness behind what Allaw says. It might be true. But then, we dont have any other proof so far.
Posted by: Anonymous5228 || 06/15/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#6  But the CIA prewar supported the WMD story, and DIDNT support the Saddam-AQ link. If this is a CIA planted story, something odd is going on at Langley.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/15/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Will African Christians Raze Mecca in a Couple Generations?
From Asia Times On Line
Dear Spengler,

If Mecca is ever razed by an invading army, it will not be Israeli or American or European, but it will march up from Africa south of the Sahara - though it would take a couple of generations more for the impending Christian transformation of Africa to proceed that far. If I were an Arab, I would be looking anxiously south. The current crisis in the Anglican Communion is revealing. Elan and freshness of thought are actually with the conservatives. The prominent role of the Nigerian Archbishop Akinola is also telling (his province contains many more practicing Anglicans than Britain and North America combined).

The challenge from Islam may produce a number of surprising and unexpected responses in the West, of greater significance than the military conflict. Interesting times ahead.

Sincerely,
Douglas Bilodeau
Bloomington, Indiana, USA


Dear Douglas,

Thank you for bringing this issue forward. Prof Philip Jenkins of Pennsylvania State University predicts an "historical turning point" in Christianity, "one that is as epochal for the Christian world as the original Reformation". In the October 2002 edition of The Atlantic Monthly, he wrote, "In the global South (the areas that we often think of primarily as the Third World) huge and growing Christian populations - currently 480 million in Latin America, 360 million in Africa, and 313 million in Asia, compared with 260 million in North America - now make up what the Catholic scholar Walbert Buhlmann has called the Third Church, a form of Christianity as distinct as Protestantism or Orthodoxy, and one that is likely to become dominant in the faith." (Click here for the article.)

This may look like a "Third Church" to Catholic eyes, but what I perceive is the proliferation of Anglo-Saxon, that is, American, Christianity, albeit in the patchwork raiment of local peoples. Growth of church membership in the southern hemisphere concentrates in denominations of American or British origin. Observes Prof Jenkins, "it is Pentecostals who stand in the vanguard of the Southern Counter-Reformation. Though Pentecostalism emerged as a movement only at the start of the twentieth century, chiefly in North America, Pentecostals today are at least 400 million strong, and heavily concentrated in the global South. By 2040 or so there could be as many as a billion, at which point Pentecostal Christians alone will far outnumber the world’s Buddhists and will enjoy rough numerical parity with the world’s Hindus."

Samuel Huntington’s characterization of American civilization as "Anglo-Protestant" has merit, but his shot goes astray. No predestination prevents other peoples from adopting the Anglo-Protestant principle as their own. Of the 6,000 languages spoken on the planet, two go extinct every week (Why radical Islam might defeat the West, July 8, 2003). We are well into a Great Extinction of the Peoples, such as has not occurred since the collapse of Rome. Just as the endangered peoples of the 4th century embraced Christianity as a promise of immortality beyond the grave of their culture, so the peoples of the South flock to the same Cross. Seventeen hundred years ago they acknowledged the authority of Rome. Today the source of Christian authority is America.

The secularists who dominate American foreign policy seem to think that they can export the shell of the American system, namely its constitutional forms, without its religious kernel. It seems that the peoples of the South know better. It is no stranger that America’s hold over the world’s imagination should find religious expression first and political expression later, than that radical Protestants should have founded America in the first place. The new Christians of the South will surprise us for ill as well as good. Such matters of the spirit lie beyond anyone’s capacity to predict and well may have huge strategic impact, as you observe.

Spengler
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 11:05:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting idea -- best hope for Africa then would be evangelicals spreading Christianity, personal liberty and democracy across the continent. That would certainly bind the knickers of the average African jihadi.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#2  they need to start doing more in Nigeria especially in retaining the oil-producing region as predominantly christian
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Bad news for Allan! All praise be to him.
Posted by: Infidel Bob || 06/03/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#4 
Will African Christians Raze Mecca in a Couple Generations?
How about next week?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Raze mecca! What a novel idea. Once gone that puts an end to one of the pillars. That along with the targeting of jihadie clerics and you have a road map to peace.
Posted by: Lucky || 06/03/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#6  So, the new African Christian ruler of Hejaz will have a staff of lobotomized eunuchs to perform menial tasks. Because the women will now be unveiled, the native male population will not be able to handle the view otherwise.

Yikes.
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#7  ..InshAllan. One thing that should be noted is that the Saudi Army, though tough and very professional, can't function well as a unit, and may very well crack under a horde-type attack.
The other thing is that not a single muslim soldier from anywhere else on the planet will ever be sent to defend it. The other muslim nations are deeply resentful of the Saudis because they are the Guardians of the Holy Cities, and they'll happily watch as they go down.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/03/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#8  True Mike, but other muslims would go to Saudi to defend it with or without their governments permission. This includes military units. I have to wonder though, if the Arabs took any African-female slaves, would it be ironic that a good number would contract HIV and die?
Posted by: Charles || 06/03/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#9  why would a bunch of Nigerian anglican and Kenyan pentecostals go off to attack Mecca? Dont they have enough problems of their own. You guys are living in quite a fantasy world. Hell, has the Anglican primate of Nigeria even endorsed the US-UK position in Iraq- if he has, its news to me.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#10  indeed, the only prominent anglican churchman in africa ive seen quoted on the middle east is bishop Tuto (hes anglican, not methodist, right?) and not to positive effect, from my point of view. Yet we manage to minimize the support for our position from Kuwaits, albanians, bosnians and central asians cause theyre MUSLIM. But we assume the best about african christians, cause theyre CHRISTIAN. Feh!
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Liberalhawk, once again, you're proceeding to a conclusion with too little info and of the wrong kind.
Bishop Tutu is a Mandela/UN apologist and not one to be looked to for Christian leadership.
In point of fact, many African Episcopal leaders have stood up to the Archbishop of Canterbury over the "gay priest" scandal and they've been cited recently in lots of articles about that.
Many countries in Africa, particularly Nigeria and Sudan, are in the fight of their lives with Islam for souls and for their countries!
If they want to burn down Mecca, who could blame them?
Me, I'd like to provide the matches and gasoline!
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#12  i didnt ask about gay priests, i asked about Iraq. Opposed to gay priests != supportive on US foreign policy. In fact, Oppposed to gay priest!= opposed to the UN. Why do y'all think that the particular alignments of US domestic politics extend to West Africa? As far as i know the Greek Orthodox primate of Jerusalem doesnt have much use for gay marriage, either, but hes still a terror apologist.

(and on the other hand there are gays in muslim lands who hate the fundies, and there are gay Israelis who are victimized by terrorism)
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 14:42 Comments || Top||

#13  Libhawk, make the leap if your brain won't explode!
African religious leaders are adamant about eschewing the modern Liberal agenda regarding homosexual clergy (and I'm sure marriage) because they're trying to live according to the dictates of the Bible and be *real* Christians!
The Church, as this story points out, is under attack on every front, but no more so than in Africa, where millions are being converted and won over to Christ and Christianity while they deal with modern issues like AIDS and sexual promiscuity.
I don't know how you drug US foreign policy and the UN into it, but you did.
While the clergy, ministers and priests are fighting to keep African Christians in the Church, it is besieged by the increasingly militarized Muslims there who prefer to convert the "natives" with the sword and the gun.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#14  why did you drag gay marriage into a thread that had nothing do with it? And i didnt first mention the UN, YOU did, in response to my mentioning Tutu.

Again most of the hundreds of millions of african christians do NOT live in countries with large numbers of muslims. Again if the christian churches in Nigeria see Saudi Arabia as responsible for their problems with muslims, id be interested in seeing evidence that they think this. Or that they advocate a harder line on Saudi. Im not saying they shouldnt, i just see no evidence that they do.

Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#15  LH -- take a chill pill. I took the image from the original article -- and the commentary on it -- as just, well, imagery. Not for predictions of an actual event.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/03/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#16  I "drug" the gay clergy/gay marriage into it, because you said that the only African Christian leader you said you'd heard about was Archbishop Tutu.
I pointed out the controversy in the Episcopal Church because many African Episcopal leaders and ministers have spoken out for months about the problems in African Christianity of which this report speaks.
IOW, I was pointing out clearly that you're just not paying very close attention to world events except that which proves and confirms your own viewpoint.
If you don't know much about a subject, stop advertising your ignorance and slow down your rush to prove to RB readers how vast your "knowledge" allegedly is.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#17  "Again most of the hundreds of millions of african christians do NOT live in countries with large numbers of muslims. Again if the christian churches in Nigeria see Saudi Arabia as responsible for their problems with muslims, id be interested in seeing evidence that they think this. Or that they advocate a harder line on Saudi. Im not saying they shouldnt, i just see no evidence that they do."
Oh, and you're quite wrong about this: Nigeria is in a fight for its soul right now between Islam and Christianity!
The country is divided pretty much half and half between the 2 religions and they even let the northern and Muslim part of the country practice shari'a.
This has caused ALOT of violence and threatens to cause a lot more.
It got so bad last week that President Obasanjo had to declare martial law and called out the army.
And the U.S. has sent troops (don't know how many and what kind) to the Horn of Africa, because it promises to be Al Queda's Second Front, along with Thailand.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:14 Comments || Top||

#18  1. Nigeria includes a considerable number of pagans, who are on the christian side of this fight
2. Yes, they allow state option on sharia.
3. They also have ethnic differences, and economic differences, such as lead to conflict across the continent. Its not at all clear which is central in the conflict of the last few days
4. And the US troops in the Horn are there with the cooperation of the muslim govts of Djibouti, and Eritrea, BOTH of which support the US in Iraq, BTW, as most non-muslim states in africa do not.
5. You still have not given me a shred of evidence that the leaders of Nigerian christians attribute their problems to Saudi.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 15:21 Comments || Top||

#19  Libhawk, dude, Robert C. is right--you need to take a chill pill or a walk.
You're bordering on turning into the Rain Man of RB (i.e. not making sense anymore and just babbling).
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#20  I'm hopeful that one day Christians in Africa will send missionaries to Europe and America.
Posted by: eLarson || 06/03/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#21  They already are doing so.
Posted by: rkb || 06/03/2004 17:27 Comments || Top||

#22  There is also a major showdown brewing in South America. In recent years, both Islam and Evangelical Christianity have been making major gains in that formerly Catholic continent.

The Islamos have the tacit support of many local elites and the satanic forces with which these elites are aligned: the UN, NGOs, and, most critically, *spit* activists *spit* from the US and European media/academic axis.

At the very heart of the demonic enemy's propaganda empire, the anthropology departments of American universities, the assault on Christian proselytizing in Latin America has become a major priority for professors and their subordinate devils. At the same time, these monsters have nothing but praise for Islam, often citing shariah law as an effective antidote to "cultural genocide", their Orwellian term for what enlightened people would call the marketplace of ideas. Islam and left authoritarianism are the big losers in this market, Christianity is the winner.
This is really the common ground between the two great strains of idolatry and satanic power in the present world, Islam and the media/academic Axis.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 06/03/2004 19:00 Comments || Top||

#23  LOL! Rainman indeed! Get rid of the pork chop LH and it may stop for a month.
Posted by: Harpi || 06/03/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Jihad Unspun: Bad Moslems Killed, Good Moslems Martyred
From Jihad Unspun
A big operation in Zabul against a coalition convoy has killed seventeen soldiers. Jamiat Jaish ur Muslimeen’s spokesman speaking from Gul Bahar told Daily Islam in Zabul that Jaish’s Mujahideens attacked a large Coalition convoy successfully and destroyed two armored personal carriers. Jaish is a new organization and little is yet known about it. The attack resulted in the deaths of seventeen soldiers in total, both Americans and Afghans. Seven Mujahideen were also martyred and four wounded. Those wounded were arrested by the Americans. This new group has conducted five operations this month and has caused heavy damage to Coalition and Afghan forces s far Also in Zabul, an assassination bid at a commander of the Afghan army, Commander Nur was foiled. Two of his deputies were killed in the attack.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 10:41:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if it would be better to have a "Page 3" especially for all the "Mullah Haw Haw" items such as this one.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/03/2004 12:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Leave us all remember General Sherman's famous statement regarding good vs. bad indians...
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||


Blast Kills Al Qaeda Suspect, Wounds Pakistanis
A suspected al Qaeda militant was killed in an explosion which also wounded three paramilitary troops at a checkpost in Pakistan’s tribal west Thursday. One of the injured militiamen told reporters in hospital that suspected militants traveling in a vehicle were stopped at a paramilitary checkpost in the North Waziristan tribal agency. Two men came out of the vehicle and one threw a grenade at the militiamen, warning them not to approach. When one of the soldiers tried to move forward, there was another explosion that immediately killed one of the suspects and seriously wounded the three militiamen. The wounded militiaman said it looked as if the suspect had set off another grenade. Local officials said the vehicle sped away with a third man at the wheel but the suspect’s companion was arrested. He said the suspects were thought to be members of al Qaeda. Their vehicle had been coming from the direction of Wana, capital of South Waziristan agency, where the military has been hunting foreign militants and al Qaeda suspects since March.
"They wen't north, Kemo Sabe!"
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/03/2004 10:37:18 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  first thrown grenade seems to have not done any damage. ...probably thrown like a little girl - sure these aren't Hek's boyz?
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||


Protest over textbooks in Pak, One dead six injured
Dozens of minority Shiite Muslims on Thursday ransacked a state-run radio station and attacked other government offices in a northern Pakistani city, triggering a shootout in which one man was killed and six were wounded. The shootout occurred hours after authorities imposed a round-the-clock curfew and deployed troops in Gilgit after Shiites announced plans for a protest rally Thursday to pressure the government to publish separate Islamic studies textbooks for their students. A government official said that Shiites defying the curfew pelted police and soldiers with stones and opened fire, wounding two paramilitary soldiers and two policemen. The police and paramilitary soldiers returned fire, killing a Shiite youngster and wounding two other protesters, the official said. Police arrested eight people, including Shiite leader Agha Ziaudin. "We will not allow anyone to create a law-and-order situation," said Saeed Ahmed, a senior government official. Shiite clerics in Gilgit, about 150 miles north of the capital, Islamabad, had called for a rally after failing to reach a compromise with government officials over textbooks used in state-run schools, which they feel go against their beliefs.
Wouldn't consider leaving the religion out, wouldja?... I thought not.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/03/2004 10:26:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like a good movie script...
Inheirit the Whine?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#2  can these ppl not do a damn thing with out having a riot involved?
Posted by: smokeysinse || 06/03/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Attack on Italian Embassy Kills Iraqis
Several mortar shells were fired Thursday at the Italian Embassy in Baghdad, causing some Iraqi deaths, the Foreign Ministry in Rome said. No Italians were hurt in the attack, it said. In Baghdad, an Iraqi police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The AP that one Iraqi was killed and three were wounded in the attack. Ambulances rushed to the scene, and U.S. soldiers secured the embassy perimeter, positioning humvees and army trucks to seal the area. Blood stains were visible on the sidewalk and glass and fragments of mortar shells littered a street just behind the embassy compound. Windows were smashed and a wall was charred at a nearby restaurant. The attack came hours before the arrival in Italy of President Bush for talks with Premier Silvio Berlusconi, one of the U.S. administration’s staunchest allies in Europe. The ministry said it did not have details on the number of Iraqis killed or their identities. The ANSA news agency said there were unconfirmed reports of two Iraqi deaths. The building was not damaged. However, the ministry said, most embassy personnel were being transferred to the heavily guarded Green Zone, the U.S.-led coalition headquarters in central Baghdad.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 06/03/2004 10:21:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Several mortar shells were fired Thursday at the Italian Embassy in Baghdad, causing some Iraqi deaths, the Foreign Ministry in Rome said.

Whoops!!!!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
PA security officers on strike
EFL
More than 100 members of the Palestinian security forces have gone on an unprecedented strike in Gaza, calling on the Palestinian Authority to end what they charged was rampant corruption among senior officers. Pressing Chairman Yasser Arafat to take action, the protesters took over a position belonging to the elite Force 17 in the central Gaza Strip on Tuesday and sent him a letter with their demands.
[that’s the bunch that is in charge of protecting Arafat]
In their appeal, they said senior officers of the National Security Forces were "pursuing their personal interests at the expense of the homeland" and had turned the security forces into "fiefdoms". The wives and children of some of the officers, the protesters said, had been put on the payroll...Arafat has long been under pressure from Palestinians and stupid and deceitful foreign donors to the Palestinian Authority to institute security reforms and end corruption in the ranks.
[and for the same period Arafat has promised to eliminate corruption and also encouraged corruption]
Posted by: mhw || 06/03/2004 10:17:54 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Arafat IS corruption
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Ugly too
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/03/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  PA security officers on strike

Do they do any work? Does anyone notice?
Posted by: BigEd || 06/03/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Does anyone notice?

Burning hoop manufacturers will be devastated. Don't you have a heart? Or read LGF occasionally?!
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||


Israeli forces arrest wanted militant leader in Nablus
NABLUS: A leader of the radical Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades was arrested by Israeli soldiers in the West Bank town of Nablus, sources on both sides said today. Jamal al-Nabulsi, and Brigades activist Sultan al-Tashtush were arrested during a raid by the army in the old city, or casbah, area where they had been hiding in a house, Palestinian sources said.
"Hey, Moshe, look what I found under the bed!"
Details:Israeli troops arrested two senior Palestinian militants who were hiding in a secret compartment in a four-story building in the West Bank city of Nablus Thursday, military officials said. Jamal Nablusi and Sultan Tashtush, leaders of the Al Aqsa Brigades, carried out deadly attacks in Israel, the officials said on condition of anonymity. The two were arrested by soldiers under cover of darkness in Nablus' Old City, Israeli radios reported. Troops searched the entire building and found the compartment on the fourth floor, Israel Radio reported. After calling on anyone inside to come out, they threw a grenade into the hiding place. It exploded but did not injure Nablusi and Tashtush, who emerged soon after, the radio said.
Stun grenade, perhaps?
The two suspects were allegedly responsible for preparing explosives belts for suicide bombers, who they sent on attacks in Israel, Army Radio reported.
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:12:27 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Afghanistan/South Asia
Muttahida planning to assassinate its activists
Muttahidda Majlis-e-Amal today alleged that Muttahida Qaumi Movement has planned to "assassinate some of its unwanted activists" and hold MMA responsible for such killings.
So, MQM is gonna "downsize" and put the blame on MMA.
A spokesman for MMA while reacting on MQM intelligence wing's "baseless report", said that internal conflicts of MQM were touching peaks and that's why, unwanted sector incharges and workers of the organization "would be murdered as per Muttahida's legacy". "Stage has been prepared for murder of unwanted MQM workers and later MMA will be held responsible for the same", he further charged.
"So if any MQM guys end up dead, it ain't us, OK?"
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:05:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Ayatollah al-Sistani Gives Govt. Conditional Approval
Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq's most influential Muslim cleric, gave his conditional approval to Iraq's new interim government Thursday but said it had "mammoth tasks" ahead. Sistani said the government, chosen by the United Nations, the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council and U.S. officials, lacked "electoral legitimacy" but said it was a step in the right direction and would succeed if specific goals were met. "The hope is that this government will prove its worthiness and integrity and its firm readiness to perform the mammoth tasks it is burdened with," the Shi'ite cleric said in a partly hand-written statement issued by his office in the holy city of Najaf and stamped with his official seal.

Sistani, who holds huge sway over Iraq's 60 percent Shi'ite majority, listed four key tasks that the government had to tackle -- security, basic services for all, a new U.N. resolution granting Iraq full sovereignty and the organizing of free and fair elections early next year. "The new government will not have popular acceptance unless it proves through practical and clear steps that it seeks diligently and seriously to achieve these tasks," Sistani said. He said the government would also be judged on how successful it was at alleviating the impact of 15 months of occupation. Another influential Shi'ite cleric, Ayatollah Mohammed Taqi al-Muddaresi, complained that Islamists were not sufficiently represented in the new government, which he said did not show goodwill on the part of the U.S.-led occupation. He called the new government a step toward sovereignty but urged Iraqis to use all peaceful means to ensure their voices are heard in the future of the country.

The government was sworn in Tuesday with Iyad Allawi, a secular Shi'ite and former CIA-backed opposition leader in exile, as its prime minister and Ghazi al-Yawar, a Sunni tribal leader and former executive in Saudi Arabia, as its president. The posts were chosen after weeks of debate and discussion led by U.N. special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi in coordination with the now dissolved Governing Council and U.S. officials, particularly Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq. "The situation that has arisen has resulted in the formation of a new government without electoral legitimacy in addition to the fact that not all segments of Iraqi society and its political forces are represented in an appropriate manner," Sistani said, adding that he hoped elections would be held by the deadline of January 2005. The government held its first cabinet meeting Wednesday, but the planned handover to an interim Iraqi government will not take place until June 30. Even then, 150,000 U.S.-led troops will continue to be in charge of security in Iraq.
About as good of a endorsment as we're going to get.
Posted by: Steve || 06/03/2004 9:00:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  To all those who asserted that the June 30 transition would not occur as scheduled: Ayatollah you so!
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#2  lacked "electoral legitimacy"

Lol! I just love this shit. A Shi'a "cleric" from Mars critiquing democratic legitimacy, the Arab League criticizing Abu Ghraib - and everything else, Mullet Omar trying to rescue the Taliban's good name, anyone at the UN moving his / her lips, Pelosi & AlGore questioning the competence of anyone - anyone at all, Kerry trying to convince Americans that he's worthy of being elected to public office - any office, George Soros breathing, global warming disaster movies in the current ice age, etc.

There is no end to the buffoonery and pretentious silliness.

Too funny.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Sistani, who holds huge sway over Iraq's 60 percent Shi'ite majority, listed four key tasks that the government had to tackle -- security, basic services for all, a new U.N. resolution granting Iraq full sovereignty and the organizing of free and fair elections early next year.

The UN grants sovereignty? Bullshit! You declare and defend it for yourself (with our help).

Posted by: spiffo || 06/03/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Sistani wants an Iraq in which the Shiite majority holds a proportionate share of power - he KNOWS that the Sunni Arab minority, with its friends in Jordan and Saudi Arabia dont want that. Ergo he NEEDS UN support, despite the fact that he and his fellow Shiites dislike the UN, to help win legitimacy with Sunni Arabs both inside and outside Iraq. The alternative, declaring it and defending it with only US help, is a formula for civil war, unless the US can use its force to restrain all of Iraqs Sunni neighbors, which it is by no means clear the US is able and/or willing to do.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#5  .com,

"A Shi'a "cleric" from Mars critiquing democratic legitimacy"

Actually I think it's a really positive sign that he's calling for democracy. Him speaking this way, even though to us it sounds slighly ridiculous, is pushing Iraq down the right path. If he wasn't pushing for democracy it would be a big blow against us.

That all being said I'm still undecided on Sistani... not sure what his motives are yet.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 06/03/2004 11:56 Comments || Top||

#6  DPA - Ok... He only "supports" (how lukewarm can one be and still be described as a supporter?) democracy because he sees the advantage in doing so - now. He has been consistently AWOL in almost every case where he could have influenced events toward peaceful resolution. He can, through his spokesmen, claim he wishes to stay out of politics, but he certainly dabbles when it suits him. He is craven and crass in his choices and has allowed his followers to suffer by not supporting the inevitable. Not inciting his followers is not good enough. I figure he's about as calculating and cynical as it gets so I guess you could say I'm not a fan. Just my opinion. :-)
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Scrappleface is saying he also ok'd the ABC fall line-up. Thank Bog!
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 13:49 Comments || Top||

#8  He is craven

muqtys dad spoke out openly against Saddam. Muqtys dad got killed by Saddam. Al Khoie was more openly supportive of the coalition than Sistani. Muqty killed al Khoei. Sistani is cautious and craven. Sistani lives. Darwinism at work, I think.

Its not clear if Sistani wants demo only for now or not. Its said he doent like the Iranian system, it drags the clerics into the muck of politics. Has he really read de Toqueville? Or is it just he sees hes not strong enough now, and wants to wait for a more opportune moment. Certainly possible. I tend to hope that by that point it will be to late - there will be some degree of institutionalization of democracy. Thanks to (choke) Brahimi, most of the junior cabinet ministers in the new govt are secularists, as is Allawi. An alliance of secular Sunni and Shiite Arabs with Kurds, will be hard for the Shiite fundies to push out - unless they have the support of the Sunni fundies. Doesnt look like Sistani is making a big push for those - a good sign.

Youre right that we should be wary of Sistani, and watch him closely. Still, when he questions the demo legitimacy, hes not completely on the wrong track. Im not saying the new govt isnt legitimate - im agreeing that it will be more so with an election, and that does need to be one of its primary goals, along with security.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Al-Sistani, the Iranian, (born there) is waiting for one-time elections, so that he can impose a clerical tyranny. He should be killed before he gets power.
Posted by: Dog Bites Trolls || 06/03/2004 21:16 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Palestinian Affairs: Death of an Intifada
EFL
In the West Bank city of Tul Karm, everyone from Yasser Arafat’s governor to the remnants of the Al-Aqsa Brigades says the Palestinian uprising is as good as over Hani Aweideh looks like he hasn’t quite grown into his new role as a militia leader. Clean-cut with neatly coiffed hair, pressed beige jeans and a matching polo shirt with embroidered trim around the collar, the only thing that distinguishes this 26-year-old (!) from the ordinary young men of Tul Karm is the AK-47 he brings with him when he emerges out of hiding for an afternoon rendezvous in an anonymous downtown store. Aweideh handles the gun awkwardly, though with obvious reverence, asking for a plastic bag to hide it in for the short hop from the backseat of a car into the store.

Not long ago Aweideh and his comrades from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades -- the armed cells, affiliated with Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement, that sprung up with the intifada -- would have been swaggering through the streets of this West Bank market town, inspiring admiration in some residents, terrorizing others and plotting what they call "military operations" against nearby Jewish settlements or Israeli cities that lie over the Green Line, the pre-1967 border that skirts Tul Karm to the west. But the armed men are not walking around here anymore, certainly not in broad daylight. The few of them left after the army’s frequent raids, targeted killings and arrests are said to be feeling hunted and alone.
(Heh).
And while predictions of calm times ahead may be premature, many here are already declaring Tul Karm’s intifada over. "Everybody’s either dead or in prison," says Nidal Jallad, who is hanging around the store shortly before Aweideh makes his entry. "It’s over. We’ve had enough. All we want now is for the prisoners to come home." One of Nidal’s brothers, a Hamas activist, was caught in March 2003 transporting an explosive belt from Nablus in a car with three others, including the would-be suicide bomber. He is now serving a 17-year sentence in Beersheba jail. Another brother, Nidal says, was shot by an Israeli army sniper during a curfew and is just starting to walk again after four operations. Nidal claims his brother was only outside because soldiers had taken him from his house, dropped him off near the hospital, then ordered him to walk home. Nidal is the cousin of Malik Jallad, known as Jarira, the last commander of the Tul Karm Qata’eb, or Brigades, who was captured four months ago. When Aweideh comes in, he introduces himself as Jarira’s successor, though other local sources say the arrested leader hasn’t been replaced. There’s nobody left of the serious hard core of the Brigades, they say, only the remnants of Jarira’s junior lieutenants such as Aweideh inside the city and "a few thieves" in the two local refugee camps. The mounting tensions between the city and camp militants have turned them more into rivals than brothers-in-arms.
(Snip)
Residents of Tul Karm are no longer willing to provide refuge for the armed men in their houses, local sources say, for fear of ending up on the army’s demolition list. Furthermore Aweideh, his fingers nervously drumming on the back of his chair, an eye fixed on the door, reveals that it is not only the Israeli actions that are curbing the militants. "The Palestinian Authority used to support us, but we’ve had no funding from them for the past two months," he claims. "They make promises, but nothing ever materializes. The PA wants to calm the situation, but Sharon doesn’t," he concludes.
( Looks like the "P.A.’s" money troubles are realy biting)

As they say: read the whole thing.
Posted by: Evert V. in NL || 06/03/2004 4:11:54 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is inconceivable. Big media has told me that by responding with strength, Israel is creating more boomers every day.
Posted by: Anonymous || 06/03/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  The few of them left after the army’s frequent raids, targeted killings and arrests are said to be feeling hunted and alone

WTF? Humilitated damn it, you forgot humiliated!
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Awwww, da' poor babies. *Sniff*

GOOD!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Residents of Tul Karm are no longer willing to provide refuge for the armed men in their houses.

If true, this is a good sign. Let's hope it sinks into that society that the intifada has brought them nothing but ruin. Harboring and worshiping terrorists doesn't persuade outsiders to be sympathetic to your hardships.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/03/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#5  This is a great example of what happens when a course of action is decided upon, implemented without wavering, and carried through to the end. It took a while and cost some lives, but the job pretty much got done.

People that have been shrieking "quagmire!", take note.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Transcript of Briefing By U.N. Special Envoy for Iraq
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 03:50 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Massive Blasts at U.S. Base in Kirkuk according to witness
Massive explosions rocked a major U.S. military base outside the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk on Wednesday, shrouding the city in smoke, after what police said was a rocket strike on an arms store. Shells and rockets screamed into the night sky over the base at Kirkuk’s main airport and thick smoke rolled across the whole area, a Reuters reporter said from the scene. The initial blast around 10 p.m. (2 p.m. EDT) was followed by sirens on the base and mayhem that was continuing an hour and half later. "You can see rockets flying and landing all over the base," reporter Adnan Hadi said from a vantage point some 500 meters from the base perimeter. "The windows of buildings close to the base have all been shattered." Loudspeaker announcements could be heard on the base warning troops to stay under cover. U.S. military spokesmen in Baghdad said they were unaware of the incident. U.S. officials in Kirkuk could not be reached.
Stay tuned...
Posted by: rex || 06/03/2004 3:09:39 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Kurdish Iraqi government member: Paul Bremer behaves like Saddam Hussein
"Paul Bremer behaves like Saddam Hussein," The Kurdish member of the former US-imposed Iraqi Governing Council told the French newspaper Le Monde on Wednesday. Dr Osman said that Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Government (CPA), used a threatening language to impose his own choice of the Iraqi president. "This is not acceptable," Dr Osman said. Dr Osman added, the Americans give the impression that they want to manage everything in Iraq even after the 30th June 2004. If they were serious about leaving Iraq, they would have not behaved in this manner. About the current Iraqi government, Dr Osman confirmed that half of the ministers in the current Iraqi government are those who were members of the Iraqi Governing Council.
Oooh I like this, even the Kurds sayz bad American =equal Saddam
Welcome back, Murat. Guess you finally found a Kurd you like. How's that EU membership coming, by the way?
Posted by: Murat || 06/03/2004 5:54:58 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Er, but Bremer lost, Pachachi did NOT end up President of Iraq. Osman and friends got their way, and Osman is (IIRC) a member of the new cabinet.

So who cares if he trash talks Bremer - heck, half the neocons in DC are doing the same. Bremer's history in 4 weeks anyway - lets look forward.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 10:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Suni's don't like you, Shia don't like you, Kurds don't know it exactly. Hey guys whom did you guys liberate except those poor bastard from their stringing underwear (Abu graib)?
Posted by: Murat || 06/03/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL Murat - good one!
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Suni's don't like you, Shia don't like you,..

Really, you need to stop getting your news from mainstream media outlets. Unless of course, their tripe is precisely what you want to hear...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Suni's don't like you, Shia don't like you, Kurds don't know it exactly

No worries Murat. That all really hate the Turks. You might want to look at "root causes".
Posted by: RMcLeod || 06/03/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Mullah Omar Disassociates Taliban from False Taliban Members
From Jihad Unspun
.... The Taliban Islamic Movement has issued an announcement from the Majlis e Shura that America and its allies are using some people who call themselves Taliban to damage the name of the movement. These people spy on Taliban and get them arrested by the American forces and issue false reports to the media about Taliban operations. One example was the disinformation that the Taliban beheaded several people that was reported recently in western press. In the last meeting of Majlis e Shura, Commander of the Faithful and Supreme Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar issued orders to his men not to attack Afghan rank and file soldiers and concentrate on American soldiers. In addition, Omar advised to follow orders only from the Majlis e Shura and not to associate with these false Taliban members who want to smear the Islamic movement. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 8:41:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wouldn't it be better if Mullet Omar simply disassociates himself say to the atomic level?
Posted by: dorf || 06/03/2004 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2 

Um, just how can one "smear" the Taliban?
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  .com, preferably with large bombs.
Posted by: BH || 06/03/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#4  ...or perhaps in the same manner as that poor woman in the picture above. brains first.
Posted by: Dripping Sarcasm || 06/03/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#5  It's the Bizarro Taliban!

"Bizarro Taliban LOVE America! Iran is the Great Satan! Israel rules!"
Posted by: Chris W. || 06/03/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#6  I thought the victim was supposed to be placed at the top of the arc for a penalty shot.
Posted by: Super Hose || 06/03/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
US Soldiers Fled When They Saw Portraits of Angry Muqtada al-Sadr
From Khilafah
.... An American bullet is still lodged in his hip, hobbling his movements. But when asked about his combat injury, the 35-year-old bearded fighter is much more keen to talk about his leader, the militant cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. "Our health depends only on the health of our leader," he declares. His eyes shining, he ascribes near-magical powers to the firebrand preacher who leads the rebel force known as the Mahdi Army. In the fighting in Najaf, the man says, he saw U.S. soldiers run away when they saw portraits of Mr. al-Sadr making an aggressive gesture. "They are scared of the pictures, and they are even more frightened of our weapons," he said. ....

In many ways the Mahdi Army is like a cult, with a charismatic leader and devoted followers who are eager to die for him. At one of its offices in northern Baghdad, the walls are covered with portraits of the radical 31-year-old cleric and his revered father, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, who was assassinated in 1999. "Muqtada al-Sadr is the first man of Iraq," says Sheik Rayid al-Khadimy, the head of the office. "He is the first to sacrifice himself for the needs of the people." ....

Nearby is a photograph of a young man brandishing a Kalashnikov rifle in one hand and a portrait of Mr. al-Sadr in the other. Around his waist is a belt filled with explosives and hand grenades. His name is Alaa al-Sadry al-Harbawy. He is from this same northern Baghdad suburb, and, according to the Mahdi Army, he was killed in Najaf last week after destroying seven U.S. tanks in 12 days of fighting. .... But while the uprising has cost hundreds of lives, and severely depleted the Mahdi Army, it has succeeded in bolstering Mr. al-Sadr’s stature as a respected national figure. A few months ago, only about 1 per cent of Iraqis supported him. The latest opinion poll, conducted in late April by the Iraqi Centre for Research and Strategic Studies, found that 32 per cent of Iraqis strongly support him and 35 per cent somewhat support him. The same poll found that 82 per cent of Iraqis now have a better opinion of the cleric than they did three months ago. And only 5 per cent agreed with the U.S. viewpoint that Mr. al-Sadr should be arrested and tried on murder charges. ....
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 8:27:23 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So is Khilafah like an arabic Scrappleface?
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 06/03/2004 8:31 Comments || Top||

#2  "Around his waist is a belt filled with explosives and hand grenades. His name is Alaa al-Sadry al-Harbawy. He is from this same northern Baghdad suburb, and, according to the Mahdi Army, he was killed in Najaf last week after destroying seven U.S. tanks..."

Wonder if this is this the s***-for-brains who made a pink mist of himself on the front of a Bradley a few days ago? What a hero. What an example. Truly, what a good example to set his comrades-in-arms.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 8:38 Comments || Top||

#3  So is Khilafah like an arabic Scrappleface?

Not quite. ScrappleFace is funny.
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 9:05 Comments || Top||

#4  LOL! It's more like Monty Python (run away, run away!)
followers who are eager to die for him and we would like to help them any way we can.
He is the first to sacrifice himself... NOT. Just another jerk who calls for others to die, not himself.
Posted by: Spot || 06/03/2004 9:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Nah, this is the very objective site Antisemite is always going on about.
Posted by: BMN || 06/03/2004 9:31 Comments || Top||

#6  The poll was prolly taken inside the Najaf super-extra-holy moskkk just before a firefight. Afterwards there were insufficient subjects for a valid survey. Pfeh.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 9:34 Comments || Top||

#7  the article says, "...In many ways the Mahdi Army is like a cult, with a charismatic leader and devoted followers who are eager to die for him. At one of its offices in northern Baghdad, the walls are covered with portraits of the radical 31-year-old cleric..."

A cult it is. And when the cult leader is exposed, the cult dies.
Posted by: mhw || 06/03/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#8  "They are scared of the pictures, and they are even more frightened of our weapons." I am convinced! Bring the troops home now. I don't want them to have to look at that scary tater-head guy. I was listening to a radio show and a soldier just back fro Iraq said that they keep trying to engage the enemy but they run away too quickly. Mahdi must be Arabic for 'Those who retreat in the name of Allah'.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 06/03/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#9  a charismatic leader and devoted followers who are eager to die for him.

I believe part of his charisma comes in 50 gallon black garbage bags full of real (demand the best) American money.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#10  Whatever happened to that BS about Islam allowing no human images. A cult bordering on deification would seem to be the height of Islamic hypocrisy. Somebody issue a fatwa...
Posted by: Anony-mouse || 06/03/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#11  AnonyM - He's Shi'a - they love their placards and posters of holy doods and marching in parades... you're referring to Sunni Wahhabis and their graven images of human form (e.g. Barbie Doll) thingy, I believe... they just sorta mingle, like a cocktail party writ large, except when near the kaabah - in that case they suddenly run around in circles.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#12  They are scared of the pictures Well, you've got to admit - the guy isn't the most handsome stud around LOL.
Posted by: true true || 06/03/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#13  And only 5 per cent agreed with the U.S. viewpoint that Mr. al-Sadr should be arrested and tried on murder charges.

I agree - I'd rather he were shot in place.
Posted by: mojo || 06/03/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||

#14 
In the fighting in Najaf, the man says, he saw U.S. soldiers run away when they saw portraits of Mr. al-Sadr making an aggressive gesture. "They are scared of the pictures, and they are even more frightened of our weapons," he said.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

*snort* *giggle* *deep breath*

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/03/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#15  damn barbara you beat me too it!I was thinking of the same comment.
Posted by: smokeysinse || 06/03/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Taliban Crows That It Murdered Médecins sans FrontiÚres Members
From Jihad Unspun, credited to The Guardian
Five people, including three members of Médecins sans FrontiÚres, were killed in north-west Afghanistan yesterday in an attack claimed to have been carried out by the Taliban. .... The team of aid workers were ambushed in their car near Khair Khana, a village in the Badghis province more than 300 miles to the west of the capital, Kabul.
Northwest Afghanistan? That's a new front for the Taliban if it's true; they got booted from there rather thoroughly in the war.
A spokesperson for MSF, the international medical aid organisation which works in war zones around the world, often at great personal risk to its international members and local staff, told the Associated Press that the workers had been the victims of a "terrorist-type of attack". It is understood that one of the workers was Dutch, one Swiss and one Norwegian. Mullah Abdul Hakim Latifi, reportedly a spokesman for the Taliban, claimed responsibility for the attack in a telephone call to AP. He warned that more attacks would follow. "The Taliban was responsible for this attack," Latifi said. "Those international aid workers were working for the policy of America. There will be more of these attacks in the future." The governor of Badghis, Azizullah Afzali, identified the two Afghans killed in the latest attack as Fazel Ahmad, a translator, and Bismillah, who was a driver for MSF. "It’s the first time anything like this has happened here," he said. .... In February, five aid workers were shot and killed not far from Kabul after their car broke down. Last month three UN election workers, including two British security consultants, were killed in the eastern province of Nuristan.
Jihad Unspun is a zealous advocate of the Taliban.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 06/03/2004 8:19:26 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  french...toast...send...bigger...scalpels...
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#2  croak
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
David Warren: Bush "suckered the U.N. into signing on to the New Iraq through Brahimi"
David Warren is the smartest columnist in Canada, at least when Mark Steyn is in New Hampshire. EFL. Hat tip: Donald Sensing.
No one else will say this, so I will. The Bush administration has handled the transfer of power in Iraq more cleverly than anyone expected, including me. The summoning of the U.N. envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, looked like very bad news (a poisonous old Arab League chauvinist who brokered the sell-out of Lebanon to Syria in 1982). In grim moments, I believed the Bush people were cynically using him to wash their hands of Iraq, and as it were, dump the quagmire back in the swamp of the U.N. Instead, they froze the ground beneath Brahimi’s feet, and skated rings around him, haggling behind his back with Iraq’s new political heavyweights to leave him endorsing a fait accompli. If it were not vulgar, I would say the Bushies suckered the U.N. into signing on to the New Iraq through Brahimi. A sovereign, free Iraq which will, incidentally, have a few things to say about the U.N.’s $100-billion "oil-for-food" scam, in due course.
Every time I start to think W is blowing it, I come to learn that he’s four moves ahead of the opposition.
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 6:24:26 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I posted this here yesterday. Before Sensing.
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 6:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Ooops.
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 6:34 Comments || Top||

#3  its not clear to me if W gets the credit for this, or if the Iraqis on the governing council saved the day, despite Bush blundering. Of course Bush has reason, in terms of the Iraqi political situation, to let it look like the latter even if its not entirely so. Dont think we'll know the truth of this for some time.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 10:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Liberalhawk: its not clear to me if W gets the credit for this, or if the Iraqis on the governing council saved the day, despite Bush blundering.

I would give GWB more credit than that. This kind of thing is his modus operandi - it's what drives his opponents nuts - he sets thing up so that it seems like his opponents are getting what they want, and then he pulls the rug out from under them. To his enemies, it seems like pure luck - but GWB's done this over and over again, to the point that I see these as calculated maneuvers. You may not always get what you plan for, but you *never* get what what you don't plan for. I understand why Liberalhawk might think of GWB as a moron, but I'm past questioning his maneuvers. Behind the facade of folksiness, GWB has the mind of a Machiavelli. His enemies see him as both an evil genius and an evil moron. In my mind, there's no question about it - GWB is a political genius - he's no Reagan, persona-wise, but he's getting almost as much done as Reagan did.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/03/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#5  What helps Bush is his real devotion to Christianity. Pride is the chief of sins, and slaying that monster is goal #1, starting as early as being required to publicly confess your inability to save or improve yourself and rely on God's grace. Once one disposes of pride, there's no limit to what one can do if one truly doesn't give a damn who gets the credit...
Posted by: Ptah || 06/03/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#6  ZF - did you read my second sentence? I myself affirmed the possibility that this may be a machiavellian maneuver - Im just not certain that it is. I see evidence both ways. By the way Ive never said Bush is a moron. At most ive wondered if he has sufficient command of the details to keep his APPARENTLY divided team on track.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#7  At most ive wondered if he has sufficient command of the details to keep his APPARENTLY divided team on track.

That's known as the diplomatic way of calling someone a moron.
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#8  At most ive wondered if he has sufficient command of the details to keep his APPARENTLY divided team on track.

As long as everybody is pointed in the same direction and moving toward the same destination then staying with the confines of the paved surface isn't really necessary.....would be nice, tho...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 13:19 Comments || Top||

#9  Let me be more explicit. Bush is a Harvard MBA. He has a good command of overall policy. Hes primarily a people person, relying on his ability to work with people, to delegate, etc. This can be the OPTIMAL way of being a CEO. Unfortunately the structure of the US national security bureaucray is such that there is an almost built in conflict between the SecDef, the SecState, and the DCI. This has been the case regularly = notably under Nixon, Ford, Carter and to a lesser extent under Clinton and Reagan. There are four possible outcomes 1. A President who is detail oriented guides security policy himself 2. A president with an absolutely clear ideology keeps the disputes within bounds. 3. An NSA with unusual power and command subordinates everyone else 4. Disaster
1 is basically what happened under Bush sr - bushSr was so foreign policy oriented himself that he kept things in line. 2 was Reagan, at least for the first 6 years of his admin 3. Was kissinger, under both Nixon and Ford 4. Was Carter
I'll avoid charecterizing either the clinton years, or the last two years under Reagan.
Now Condi aint Kissinger. And Bush doesnt seem to command the ideological consensus within his cabinet that Reagan did, or to be able to use knowledge of details to go around a SecDef or SecState or DCI the way Bush Sr could. This has APPARENTLY led to serious conflict within the admin, leading to several difficulties.

Of course it could be that this APPARENT conflict, including for example, a string of op eds by prominent republicans opposing the Iraq war in the months leading up to it, which just HAPPENED to all be by men with close ties to Colin Powell, was all a charade, a good cop, bad cop routine. As some have claimed. Maybe. I have my doubts.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#10  Libhawk, Dr. Rice isn't supposed to be Kissinger.
Noone is Kissinger but Kissinger.
And Powell is the "good cop" for the world (Leftist) media to Bush's "bad cop."
He does the diplomatic happy talk other world leaders like.
I don't recall any important Conservative or GOP writing an op ed opposing the Iraq war* and I made myself read everything.
*BTW, assclowns and the Left's Useful Idiots who insist they're "Conservatives" but really aren't like Adm. Zinni, Dick Clarke, Gen. Barry McAffrey, John McCain, etc. don't count.
So, as you would say, Cite please.
Bush and his cabinet, of course, are "ideologically" as one and don't kid yourself that it's otherwise.
The dream of the Left and the Dimocrats is that Bush's cabinet is as awful, uncoordinated and clueless as Clinton's, which even DNC-friendly Don Imus compared to the bar scene in Star Wars.
President Bush wouldn't have picked these people when he won the 2000 election if he didn't think they'd be with him, come rain or come shine.
This he learned from his father well.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#11  1. first of all zinni was a general, not an admiral (nit pick)
2. Zinni was Powells special rep to the Mideast
3. Brent Scowcroft.

BTW McCain never opposed the Iraq war, as Zinni and Scowcroft did. But then McCain isnt a pal of Powell.

If its only dems who think the admin is divided internally, why do i see that theme regularly in the Weekly Standard and the National Review? Are they liberal mouthpieces? And remember Wolfowitz saying that WMDs were the focus of the justification for war, cause it was the only one we could all agree on? Who exactly, was opposing the reform of the middle east as a reason for war? Or was Wolfowitz lying (hint - I dont think so) All evidence points to the fact that Powell was not a loyal soldier. He may have been playing "good cop". The sun may rotate around the earth, as well.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#12  Lh, if you see that theme in the WS and NRO, it's because *some* Conservatives like to play Monday morning quarterback and/or they think Bush is Santa Claus to give them everything they want from a GOP Conservative.
With Bush, always watch his feet and not his hands.
Journos like Bill Kristol, Fred Barnes and Jonah Goldberg (to a lesser extent) like to "tell" Bush what they'd like him to do in their mags.
It sells magasines.
The Bush Administration doesn't leak and yet the stories you're talking about assume leaks.
I think you're really relying on the NYT and WashedUp Post to form your real opinions and if you are, you're being critically misinformed.
Don't ask me who opposed OIF because they opposed reform--you're the one who said they "knew" of such op eds well.
I've never seen anything to point to the fact that SecState Powell wasn't a "loyal soldier"--in point of fact, he wouldn't join the Clintoon Admin. even though Bubba begged him because he knew he couldn't be loyal to Clinton!
And Powell's loyalty as a soldier has very little to do with our causus belli in Iraq and who advocated what to Bush.
What Wolfowitz's remark revealed to me was that the Bush Admin. was unified about OIF, but that they all had different reasons--all of them valid--for taking out Saddam for good.
Wolfowitz said that WMDs were the "focus" because most of us on the Right still think Saddam had them and that they're somewhere and it was the most easily understood and compelling reason for the American people to advocate régime change there.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#13  My 2 cents.Powell is inherently conservative(traditional meaning,not political)His Powell doctrine on using military force would have meant no D-DAy,in fact no war w/Nazi Germany,cause US couldn't be sure it had enough force to win.

He would make a great Sec.of State in peacetime.His State Dept. has done good work in Libya and stopped the N.Korea "Oh no,they are going to threaten us unless we negotiate(ie. give them money and food)" dance.However,his State Dept. screwed up negotiations w/Turkey before Iraq War;that has lead to most of our post-war problems.(Complaints about too few troops would have been met by Arm.Div.coming out of Turkey,liberating North Iraq and building Kurd/Iraqi force in US-friendly north that could have been deployed for internal security in Southern Iraq.I also give some blame to Pentagon,Rumsfeld and Franks for letting that division sit,instead of at minimum sending division's arm.inf. to Iraq immediately.)In a war w/idealogical foe you need bold vision.I think Powell shrinks from that.He dislikes the "radicals",who want to spread freedom and democracy to the world and see that as US mission.He may be loyal to Bush and play good-cop,but that doesn't mean he has to like the "radicals",and it doesn't keep him from trying to stop them before a particular policy is made.

On top of everything else,Powell is ambitious(you don't rise like he has w/out ambition)and is very protective of his image.I could easily see him serving as Sec.State for a moderate Democrat,or a Democrat like John Edwards who has no interest in foreign policy and no apparent animus against US military.
Posted by: Stephen || 06/03/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#14 
The Bush Administration doesn't leak and yet the stories you're talking about assume leaks.


what is your basis for saying that?
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 17:27 Comments || Top||

#15  jen, from time to time i read the Times, and the WaPo, and the WS, and the NRO, and other sources too. Thanks for letting me know that you take the admins word over even neocon journalists. It may be that this is the first non-leaky admin in history. It may well be that General Zinni and Brent Scowcroft wrote their pieces over the (private) objections of Colin Powell, and that all the neo con pundits who claim they have sources for their attacks on Powell are all exageratting, or even lying, to sell mags. Lies that just happened to match those of the WaPo and NYT. It may be that Wolfowitz was happy with the decision NOT to train larger numbers of Iraqi exiles. We wont find that out for years, when the principle write their memoirs, and even then there may be controversy. For now,we must each judge what is most credible.

However I would appreciate it that when I assert my beliefs in things that are virtualy conventional wisdom in the neocon press, you not attribute it to my being captive of the left.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 17:36 Comments || Top||

#16  Sorry, old boy, but to take the NYTime and WaPo and even some pieces in the WSJ at face value is to be captive of the Left.
Both Zinni and Scowcroft have been the epitome of Useful Idiots as far as being the tools the Liberal Media has used to bash Bush.
(As a Jew, Zinni should concern you. He's no friend of Jews and he did a miserable job as the U.S. mediator to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.)
Virtually everyone of the detractors of the Bush Administration has come forward to justify their own failures in the same areas.
Nominally, they are "Conservatives" or even "Republicans" but they're really not or at least, not anymore.
The Left and the partisan media uses them to chip away at the Bush Admin., destroy its credibility and its potency and at the same time, they work to erode the very power of America itself in wartime.
All unforgivable to me and tantamount to aiding and abetting the Enemy if not actual treason.
It would be one thing if they knew what they were talking about, but they don't.
It would be one thing if they dealt with facts and argued their position honestly, but they don't.
For you to advocate these Leftist organs of propaganda--particularly here--is almost unbelievable, if not inexcusable.
YES, THEY LIED TO SELL PAPERS AND TO GET LIBERALS BACK IN POWER BY BRINGING DOWN BUSH.
This is true of almost every media organ (including TV) there is except for FoxNews and the Washington Times.
President Bush doesn't lie and his Administration doesn't leak, a complete about-face from the most corrupt Administration in history--that of Clinton--that went before.
I'll be honest--I have a hard time dealing with someone who calls themselves "Liberalhawk," as I don't believe there are any Liberal "hawks."
Even Lieberman has trouble with the concept.
The last real Liberal hawk was probably LBJ.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#17  1. Both Zinni and Scowcroft have been the epitome of Useful Idiots as far as being the tools the Liberal Media has used to bash Bush.
(As a Jew, Zinni should concern you. He's no friend of Jews and he did a miserable job as the U.S. mediator to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.)


Im very concerned about Zinni. I have major problems with the dems who support him. I recall however that he was appointed mediator by one Colin Powell. Thats not a credential for Zinni in my book, its a problem for Powell.

2. I did not say i take any pieces from the media at face value. Nor do i take the things said by the admin at face value.

BTW, I also read the Wash Times on occasion. What i see there confirms my impressions about a divided administration. Or maybe I need you to guide me about what true in the Wash times as well?

3. How can you possibly KNOW for sure that there are no leaks in the admin? Unless you know every journalist who claims a leak, or every Bush appointee? Look, you claim to dislike Clarke. Is it impossible that he leaked while still in the admin? And if he did, why not others?

There are numerous liberals who supported the liberation of Iraq. In todays contexts i call them liberal hawks. Some are harsher on the Bush admin than I am. I dont see how that makes them not hawks.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||

#18  I know there are no leaks, because I know President Bush and he runs a tight ship--if someone leaks, there will be hell to pay.
(Leaks were the stock in trade of the Clinton Administration and worked so well with their incestuous relationship with the press.)
Not only is President Bush personally averse to leaks--His father *was* head of the CIA, you know, and taught his son that leaks can be deadly--but we are at War and leaking is a tremendous security problem and would cost lives.
I have no doubt that there are one or two in the Administration who are "moles" like Richard Clarke, usually holdovers from the Clintoon Administration and not loyal to Bush or of an ideological consensus with the Bushies, who find themselves more than willing to blab to the press for whatever reasons... We live in interesting and trying times.
They are gradually revealing themselves for who and what they are.
Clarke is a Manchurian candidate type guy--Clinton holdover, Washington power player wannabe, failure at his pet project of "Cyber-terrorism," an old man who can't learn a new game.
Clarke is bitter and feels cheated from occupying what he feels was his "rightful" place in history as part of the solution, rather than part of the cause of 9/11.
Posted by: Jen || 06/03/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#19  Please Jen?
Posted by: Harpi || 06/03/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||

#20  LH, I think you may have some mistaken assumptions with regard to the desireability of 'ideological consensus' within an administration. At least, I don't think that is what Bush himself would say is his first or second criteria for a good team.

I think Ptah is pretty close to the heart of the matter: Bush knows what he wants to accomplish and is willing, not only to delegate, but also to allow a fair degree of disagreement within the ranks on how to get there -- until a decision is made, in which case it is time for the team to pull together.

All leadership styles have weaknesses as well as strengths. The weakness in Bush's style comes when there is substantial confusion or jockeying for position among the players in the press. But the strength of his style is exactly what Ptah points to: if you are willing to be humble, and don't care who gets credit, you can accomplish a great deal.

Bush has declared, and shows every sign of acting on, the biggest realignment of US strategic policy in 40 or more years. His opponents consistently 'misunderestimate' him and he manages to turn that into one part of his success. That doesn't mean that things always go smoothly but it does mean he never loses sight of the main goals he sets and he's not afraid to have strong players on his team.

I've been a registered Dem for 30 years, but find myself deeply impressed by Bush since 9/11.

Rumsfeld knows the 'competing camps' leadership model well - he is famous for having used it very successfully at Searle. Powell, of course, has a different model - not just an ex-general, but Army in particular.
Posted by: rkb || 06/03/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||


Fighting in Kufa Signals End of Truce
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U.S. Troops Kill at Least Seven in Skirmishes With Forces Loyal to Rebel Cleric
By Saad Sarhan and Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, June 3, 2004

The shaky week-old cease-fire in southern Iraq broke down completely Wednesday with heavy fighting on the streets of Kufa, where U.S. troops pursued Shiite Muslim insurgents, killed at least seven Iraqis and wounded 37 others. After calm on the first day of the truce, almost all the conditions of the deal worked out last Thursday have failed to hold. Fighters from the anti-occupation militia of rebel cleric Moqtada Sadr continue to roam the streets of Kufa, about 90 miles south of Baghdad, as well as the nearby city of Najaf instead of disappearing as promised. Talks between Sadr and mainstream Shiite leaders over charges that he was involved in the murder of a moderate cleric last year have yet to get underway. Nor have negotiations begun on disbanding his militia, the Mahdi Army, and converting it into a political organization. Instead, Iraqi mediators are awaiting Sadr’s response to a new request that his forces abandon mosques and police stations and surrender their weapons within 72 hours.

U.S. commanders had responded to Sadr’s promises with a pledge to halt offensive operations and pull their forces into a pair of bases near Kufa and Najaf, except for guards at police stations and government offices. U.S. officials also said that they would continue to patrol the two towns to avoid a "security vacuum" and that soldiers would fire on Sadr’s fighters in self-defense. But almost from the outset, there have been numerous shootouts, especially in Kufa. Two U.S. soldiers were killed during the week. U.S. officials initially attributed the problems to Sadr’s fighters not getting word about the truce, and they characterized the fighting as small in scope. On Wednesday, a military spokesman in Baghdad said flatly, "There never was a cease-fire."

Shiite mediators accused the Americans of breaking the truce by attacking two mosques and an industrial area while negotiations for the 72-hour withdrawal were underway. In a letter to the provincial governor in Najaf, Adnan Zurufi, mediators from the Shiite House, a group of politicians that worked out the original deal, wrote: "What is happening now is a violation of the cease-fire agreement and efforts to reach a peaceful solution." The fighting threatens chances of the two-month-old Shiite rebellion ending before the formal transfer of authority to a new Iraqi government June 30. The new government took shape Tuesday, and administration officials characterized its formation as a turning point in the tumultuous 13-month-long occupation of Iraq.
...more...
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 3:04:13 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anyone seen Sadr lately? He sorta sank beneath our wisdom like a stone. Back in Iran ...?
Posted by: doc || 06/03/2004 9:51 Comments || Top||

#2  the WaPos other, generally negative article on the Shiites (it said basically, we may be beating the Al Mahdi army, but the poor Shiites are still unhappy) included, though it buried, this interesting factoid - almost 1500 Al mahdi fighters have been killed in the last two months.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  The operation against Al-Sadr has been brilliant. Almost daily there are reports of a few more tater-tots gone toes up, with no US casualties. It is almost inconcievable that continuing our low-intenstity, pick-a-few-off-every-day campaign will result in the Shia majority getting upset. And it is sending the right message to any other potential rabble-rousers.
Posted by: Sludj || 06/03/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Love this line: The fighting threatens chances of the two-month-old Shiite rebellion

Pardon me, but WHAT Shiite rebellion? Since when does Sadr and his tiny group of idiots represent 15 million Shiites? And if they're all rebelling, how come they're not, like, rebelling. You know, with guns and all??

Typical partisan media BS
Posted by: RMcLeod || 06/03/2004 15:47 Comments || Top||


Classic WaPo : U.S. Faces Payback On Iraq Resolution
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By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 3, 2004

As the United States struggles to win world support for its transfer of authority in Iraq, the Bush administration is running into diplomatic payback at the United Nations, senior U.N. diplomats said yesterday. France, Russia, China -- three of the five nations with vetoes -- and Germany, Chile and Algeria are all urging changes or considering amendments to a new draft resolution that the United States and Britain circulated Tuesday, envoys said. The resolution is designed to confer legitimacy on Iraq’s new interim government and the continued presence of U.S.-led foreign forces after the occupation ends June 30.
...and there’s more, dontcha know...
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 2:29:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  actually the WaPo varies from reporter to reporter. Robin Wright is particularly negative on Iraq - she wrote an opinion piece a couple of weeks back trotting out every lefty cliche in the book.

I will admit that theyve were more negative than i expected the last two days about the new government. Even NPR was more positive.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 06/03/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#2  For France, Russia, China et al--it's all about bolstering their egos and pocketbooks. They don't give one hoot how many people die while they coffee talk their way past IMPLEMENTING SOLUTIONS.

All of us need to keep reminding the world that the US was the only one willing to take the UN to task for its worthless pronouncements. It is our "allies" that have decimated the reputation of the UN.
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/03/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Robin Wright is a Middle East analyst who thinks the world shines out of the Arab world's butt, that they should set the agenda, while the US follows slavishly - or face what she considers deserved terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/03/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Since when do we need the UN to confer legitimacy?

BTW: How is that Oil-for-Palaces investigation going?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/03/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#5  As the United States struggles to win world support for its transfer of authority in Iraq, the Bush administration is running into diplomatic payback at the United Nations, senior U.N. diplomats said yesterday.

Just what are those dumbasses from France, China, and Russia going to do that they haven't done already? This "payback" isn't, and whatever one might call it, it certainly isn't anything new.

And if our efforts don't garner "world support", who cares?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 16:48 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
French Gen'l: U.S. Had Osama Within Reach
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan had Osama bin Laden "within reach" on at least two occasions, but were unable to prevent him from slipping away, France's top general said Wednesday. French chief of staff Gen. Henri Bentagoat Bentegeat, said the al-Qaida leader has evaded capture several times since 2002, but not recently. He didn't say where bin Laden had been tracked down, and refused to comment on whether French special forces operating in southern Afghanistan were involved. "Several times the coalition has had Osama bin Laden directly within reach," Bentegeat told reporters during a visit to the Afghan capital. "But between locating a person and arresting them there is a gap tied to all the uncertainties of all operations of this kind."
He's said this before.
A spokeswoman for the U.S. military in Kabul had no immediate comment on the general's remarks.
"What -- him again? Cheez, I can say no more!"
Bentegeat said several of bin Laden's top lieutenants also evaded capture. "At least two times they managed to escape," he said. "That's absolutely inevitable, normal in the conditions in which these kind of operations are carried out.
"Osama's people are constantly evading my guys. Happens all the time!"
Some 200 French troops work with the 20,000-member U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan in the drive to track holdouts of the former ruling Taliban regime and bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist group. They include special forces based in Spin Boldak in Kandahar province, close to the Pakistani border. Another 650 based in Kabul are part of the NATO-led peacekeeping force or are helping the United States train a new Afghan army. Bentegeat said France planned to add another 300 troops in August and that a French general would take command of the 6,400-strong international force, which is expected to expand from the capital into northern towns to provide security for September elections.
Expct Osama to keep evading the French then, too.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 12:34:36 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  French chief of staff Gen. Henri Bentegeat, said the al-Qaida leader has evaded capture several times since 2002, but not recently. He didn't say where bin Laden had been tracked down, and refused to comment on whether French special forces operating in southern Afghanistan were involved. "Several times the coalition has had Osama bin Laden directly within reach," Bentegeat told reporters during a visit to the Afghan capital. "But between locating a person and arresting them there is a gap tied to all the uncertainties of all operations of this kind." (emphasis mine)

So what's the deal here? Doesn't this guy or his underlings have any idea on how to solve or work around this "gap" problem? I mean, one failure in unfamiliar territory might be expected, two failures is understandable, but not three or more. Either something is terribly wrong or this guy is just dispensing BS.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Hilarious followup to the "French guys singlehandedly almost catching Bin Laden" articles of the past.

If the big AQ baddies did get away, I expect it's because the frogs tipped 'em off.
Posted by: someone || 06/03/2004 3:04 Comments || Top||

#3  "Ah, zees Americains! I do not understand zem! Zey 'ave 'ad three--how you say?--golden opportunities to surrender, an' zey 'ave not taken zem!"
Posted by: Mike || 06/03/2004 6:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I understand the French had Paris in their hands during WWII for a short time. Somehow they let it slip away. . .
Posted by: Doc8404 || 06/03/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Who's helping the general out here, Inspector Clouseau?
Posted by: Raj || 06/03/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#6  French? General? What's next, a Muslim hog grower?
Posted by: Sorge || 06/03/2004 14:51 Comments || Top||

#7  What is French for "I missed him by 15 minutes"?
Posted by: eLarson || 06/03/2004 16:39 Comments || Top||

#8  Slipped away, did 'e? That's pretty good slippin' for a guy whose been dead for years.
Posted by: Parabellum || 06/03/2004 18:22 Comments || Top||

#9  Now I wonder if the Saudi gendarme have French trainning..... come to think of it perhaps it's German training... Dunkirk and all that. We got your ass surrounded! ;)
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 19:07 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm with you Para. Until I see video of Bin Laden standing in front of evidence to date his continued existence, I say he is dead.

The media and administration walk hand in glove on this issue. While the press has failed to raise the question of his death, the administration would be foolish to declare it without stone cold flesh evidence.

The media likes the story better if he is alive. It satisfies their "wascally wabbit outwits Elmer Fudd" desires. Exactly what evidence is there to say he is alive?
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#11  The more I think about it, the more I find myself thinking if bin Laden were alive, he'd be very much at odds with Zarqawi at the moment for the latter's insistance on targeting Shi'ites in Iraq.

Not to mention the violence going on in Karachi.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/03/2004 21:12 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
U.K. Plan Would Put Peacekeepers in Sudan
Britain introduced a Security Council resolution Wednesday that would give a green light for the United Nations to begin preparing for a peacekeeping operation in Sudan. The draft resolution welcomes the signing on May 24 of three landmark agreements between the government and rebels on power-sharing and the administration of three disputed areas in central Sudan. The agreements cleared up the last remaining political issues needed for a final accord to end the 21-year civil war. But the two sides must still negotiate details of a comprehensive cease-fire and a final peace deal and work out how it will be implemented.
After which some Janjaweed guys will blow it all to hell and they'll start over.
Secretary-General Kofi Annan said after the accords were signed that the United Nations is ready to contribute to peace efforts as well as implementation of the final agreement. He is expected to submit a report to the Security Council this week outlining possible U.N. contributions to the effort and the expected US payments for same. U.S. Deputy Ambassador Stuart Holliday said he expects the Security Council to adopt the resolution Friday or Monday. "This resolution would serve as a green light for the United Nations to begin planning and preparing for a peacekeeping operation with a monitoring mission," he told The Associated Press. While the United States and the United Nations welcome the approaching end to the war, relief workers are racing against the clock to keep hundreds of thousands from perishing in Sudan's western Darfur region, where a related separate conflict has been raging. On Wednesday, the head of the World Health Organization urged more effort by governments to ward off looming epidemics in the region, and Sudan's government said relief organizations are now free to enter Darfur after notifying authorities.
"Tell us exactly where you'll be so we can terrorize your workers and steal all the supplies assist you.
Sudan's announcement, a change from rules set up in May that required first applying for travel authorization that would never be granted, was apparently part of the government's efforts to hinder streamline humanitarian aid and a response to complaints of intentional delays and intentional lack of full cooperation from the government. Holliday said if there is no improvement in the human rights and humanitarian situation in Darfur, "we would reserve the right ... to bring that into the council."
Oh yeah, that'll put the fear of God in 'em.
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#1  This looks like more positive fall out from the Iraq war. Blair to his credit is embarassing the UN in to doing something about its nastier members.
Posted by: Phil B || 06/03/2004 1:38 Comments || Top||

#2  So, we should expect timely action from the UN, say, 2014?
Posted by: jules 187 || 06/03/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Peacekeepers in Sudan? Uh oh... Better hide the women and children!
Posted by: eLarson || 06/03/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
All that we’ve accomplished in Iraq.
Link is to a very detailed listing (.pdf), compiled by Fox News, of all the good things the US has done in Iraq. (Note: as with other pdf files, it takes a LONG time to print out. However, there is a wealth of information herein.)
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Accomplishments summarized: prepped Iraq for Iranian takeover.
Posted by: Dog Bites Trolls || 06/03/2004 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Dog Bites Trolls: You are a certifiable moron. No one but a moron could read this list and not be proud of our Nation, and have great hope that the Iraqi people now have a shot at the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness we all too often take for granted.
Posted by: cingold || 06/03/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Thx for the link, Anonymoose!

Right-on, cingold. Troll Sucker has never offered one bona-fide idea, any rational alternative, or even sane relevant commentary on the topics that light him up. He's pure troll and pure bullshit. It's apparent he's never faced anything more threatening than someone dissin' his threads. He's a chickenhawk. Waste of bandwidth and unworthy of posting on RB.
Posted by: .com || 06/03/2004 1:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Trolls,

If you are an America maybe you would like to air that viewpoint with the families of those GI's which gave their lives combating the worst evil since the Nazis, Islamic Terrorist Inc!

As far as Iran is concerned, The White House is already eyeing the two main source of Shi'ite related terrorism, Syria & Iran for 'solutions'.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 06/03/2004 1:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Indeed. It may not be a coincidence that the US is withdrawing 12000 troops from Korea and has troops in theatre on stop list / stop movement.

I'm impressed with Bush's patience and willingness to keep the bigger picture in mind. It will get worse before it gets better, folks - because the root causes are going to be pressured over the coming months and they won't like it one bit.

This will, appearances notwithstanding, be significant progress.
Posted by: true true || 06/03/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#6  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Antiwar TROLL || 06/03/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#7  "You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful."

/Bender's mom
Posted by: BH || 06/03/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Antiwar: any time there is a war there are negatives.In the case of Iraq, the positives far outweigh the negatives. I guess you would like Saddam Hussein to be re-instated and go on killing 10's of thousands of people a year while keeping the people of Iraq in extremely bad economic straits. Are you saying war is never justfied? Freedom from tyrany is never worth fighting for. The economic and employment situation in Iraq is much better than before the fall of Saddam All you have to do to see this is visit some of the Iraqui blogger sites. But then, if you really don't want to see the truth you will turn a blind eye. I wasn't so sure the war was a good idea but after talking to some Iraqi former exiles I believe this is the best course of action for them and for U.S. security.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/03/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#9  Move on Antisemite - you're not wanted here, and your message is discounted as the blatherings of an idiot
Posted by: Frank G || 06/03/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#10  I think pissing off the likes of AntiWar should be listed as a major accomplishment.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/03/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Antisemite--

Go back to your khalifah site, now that you've recovered from your tournante and your beating.
Posted by: BMN || 06/03/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#12  BH - "Shut up Bitch, & go fix me a Pot Pie" /Benders' Dad
Posted by: Bodyguard || 06/03/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#13  Now, now. We wouldn't want to humiliate Antiwar, would we?

She does such an excellent job of it all by herself.
Posted by: Bulldog || 06/03/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#14  i don't take Antiwar's blatherings seriously, because she is a clear moral incompetent. She acts as if our support of Bush ties us morally to his acts. HOWEVER, HER support of saddam doesn't at all make her an accomplice at all or ties her morally to his acts. She condemns bush for the thousands that died, but holds her tounge and implicitly absolves Saddam of the hundreds of thousands that died before we invaded. To her, evil rides only on American, British, or Israeli bullets, never on soviet bullets, never on Red chinese bullets, never on North Korean bullets, never on syrian bullets, never on Iranian mullah bullets, never on Afghani Taliban bullets, never on Arab bullets, never on hizbollah bullets, and certainly never via Palestinian Bomb belts, all of which combined have murdered HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. Jesus called this straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

She claims to have moral authority because of her "compassion". A pox on her warped sense of compassion! If she truly CARED about people, instead of rigid, strict, pharisaical obedience to her sacred "international" laws, she'd rejoice at the destruction of one who destroyed hundreds more innocent lives, rather than rail at the liberator who destroyed thousands of terrorists and baathists. Straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

To me, the only question is whether she is morally depraved, or just morally incompetent. She is certainly in need of moral Alka-seltzer.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/03/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#15  we should all just stop wasting bandwith on this idiot anti-war - save for the oppossing views that are intellegent...this chick is a pure a-moral idiot!
Posted by: Dan || 06/03/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#16  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Antiwar TROLL || 06/03/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#17  Antisemite--not recommending Khilafah.com today? And you used to like it so much! It's as unbiased as the Baathist piece of shit who runs Riverbend, you know.
Posted by: BMN || 06/03/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#18  AntiWar giving joooooo hate a bad name.
Posted by: Harpi || 06/03/2004 19:47 Comments || Top||

#19  Thanks for that word of the day, Ptah. No wonder little kids pass out at spelling bees.
Posted by: Zpaz || 06/03/2004 21:50 Comments || Top||

#20  Accomplished in Iraq? Lets see, hmm death injury unemployment homelessness humiliation.
Posted by: Antiwar || 06/03/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#21  Re Iraqi blogs have a look at Baghdad Burning (riverbend blogspot)
Posted by: Antiwar || 06/03/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Sharon Says Cabinet Will Pass Gaza Plan
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Wednesday he expects his divided Cabinet to approve his Gaza withdrawal proposal as demanded by the U.S. government, but the ministers would need to vote again before any settlements could actually be removed. Despite opposition from much of his hawkish but not forward-thinking Cabinet, Sharon said he would push forward with his plan. His aides have been working furiously in recent days to craft a compromise that would garner a Cabinet majority and still satisfy the United States, which wants the original plan implemented. After meeting the parliamentary Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Wednesday, Sharon said he would present his full plan to the Cabinet during its weekly meeting Sunday, and "the plan will be passed." However, the Cabinet would approve only the staged withdrawal plan in principle, Sharon said. It would have to vote again before any part of the plan could be implemented.
"We will have a vote to have a vote later."
According to officials, that formulation would pass the Cabinet vote, but it was unclear whether two small, hawkish parties would remain in the coalition government. Another Sharon option is to fire two ministers from one of the parties, giving the plan a slim majority among the remaining ministers.
"David! Moshe! Scram!"
Once the plan is approved, the government could begin laying the groundwork for a pullout, a stage that would take several months, Sharon said, according to participants in the committee meeting. Sharon said the withdrawal would be completed by the end of next year. Many ministers, including some in Likud, oppose the plan, saying removing settlements would be a reward for Palestinian violence. Sharon told the committee the pullout would not take place under fire, and if there was an outbreak of terrorism, the plan would be reviewed.
Get out and build a wall, and terrorism might slow down as well.
Palestinians welcome a Gaza pullout but insist it must be the beginning of a withdrawal from the entire region West Bank as well.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  1. Make a plan to pull everyone out from the Gaza settlements in an orderly fashion, but make it a steady, fairly rapid timetable.
2. Then wire all the settlements for sound, cover the retreating troops left with air power, i.e., make it a kill zone for anyone to come within a couple of hundred meters of the settlements.
3. Then blow the whole thing to hell in one grand explosion, get it on videotape, and give the local Paleo in charge the keys to the city.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/03/2004 1:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Many ministers, including some in Likud, oppose the plan, saying removing settlements would be a reward for Palestinian violence.

The one thing that these Likud ministers aren't keeping in mind is that simply removing settlements isn't the full extent of Palestinian aims. So some settlements are being dismantled. The rest of Israel isn't going anywhere.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/03/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||



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