Despite the announcement by Major General Ali Mohammed Salah, Deputy Staff General, on last Thursday — 12th August 2004 that the Yemeni forces have tightened the noose on Shiekh Hussain Badr-el-Din and his followers in the hilly areas where they are fortifying themselves, some other information from Saadah Governorate assures that the confrontations between the army and al-Houthy's supporters continue in more than one area. And this information indicates that the army's artillery fire at Nushoor and Al Shafeah areas, and the villages close to them, has not stopped at the time of writing this news, Saturday — 14th August. These sources add that Dhahyan, Al al-Sayfi and Bani Muath & Walad Masood areas are witnessing random chases and arrests, leading people to escape to the surrounding hills, besides, other random arrests targeting those sympathizing with the Shiekh Al-Houthy in Sanaa, Hajjah, Sharafyn, and Haraz towns, in addition to some other Yemeni areas. In the same area, the Yemeni News Agency "Sabaa" quoted last Thursday, as stated by the Deputy Staff General of the Military Operations affairs, Major General Ali Muhammad Salah, that Hussain Badr-el-Din and those who remained with him are living their last breaths, after having been noose-tightened in Mran hills chains.
The Major General Salah added that Al-Houthy and a group of his followers are split up in some of the houses in Al-Jaleel, Al-Jumaimah, and Al-Khureb areas in an attempt to hide themselves. The Military and Security men are currently following up and chasing that group in the places they are hiding themselves.
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The Prosecution looking into the case of the 6 suspected operatives of the USS Cole asked the Sanaa Criminal Court to uphold the case for final hearings, while the third suspect Fahd al-Qase denied the material evidences submitted by the prosecution against him.
"Yez got nuttin' on me, coppers! Nuttin'!"
The court continued the procedures of the tribunal despite the absence of the advocates for the defendants. On July 7th the court charged the six alleged operatives of the Al-Qaeda terror network in connection with the bombing of the USS Cole October 12th 2000 in Aden port. The prosecutor accused the suspected terrorists of forming or setting up an armed gang, and joining Al-Qaeda, and planning and plotting terrorist acts against the USS Cole, which affected the Yemeni-U.S. relationship, putting Yemen as a target in the war on terrorism. In the attack in 2000, two suicide bombers, Hasan al-Khameri and Ibraheem al-Thawr, in an explosive-laden boat, rammed into the USS Cole as it was refueling in the port city of Aden. The attack on the U.S. Navy destroyer killed 17 American sailors and wounded 39 others.
Yeah. That did draw some attention Yemen's way, even during the Clinton administration...
During the sixth hearing session last Wednesday, the prosecution continued presenting to the court a pile of material evidence against the defendants including contracts for camcorders, scientific demolitions reports, a boat purchase report, rental of four houses report and others. Attorney Saeed al-Aki said that the prime suspect Abdulrahim al-Nasheri, in US custody and tried in absentia, along with the USS Cole suicide bombers Hasan al-Khameri and Ibrahim al-Thawr, rented some houses in Aden for preparing the boat for the terrorist operation and monitoring the USS Cole while it was refueling at Aden port. He said that the first house was rented from Saleh Hussein al-Akil and used for preparing the boat in its first phase, a second house looking upon the port was rented for monitoring the US destroyer, the third one was used for the final preparations of the boat and filling it with explosives while the fourth for filming the explosion. The prosecutor said that a fifth house was rented in the Hodiedah governorate, wherein the boat was kept when brought from Jizan in Saudi Arabia before carrying it to Aden.
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They were not allowed to copy the investigation report. The judge looking into this issue Ahmad al-Jermozi banned journalists from attending the hearings for two hearings.
Not allowing the defense to have copies of evidence is interesting. I would be more appalled if we didn't have a case going on in NYC where the defense counsel for the blind shiek is on trial using "discovery" as an intelligence gatehring operion for Bin Laden.
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RIYADH: Saudi security forces have arrested four suspected militants following raids in the cities of Medina and Buraydah, a newspaper reported on Tuesday. Al-Watan said one suspect was arrested in Medina while another three were detained in Buraydah, 340 kilometres north of Riyadh. The report did not say whether those detained were on the kingdom's most-wanted list of those with alleged links to Al Qaeda. Meanwhile, a statement attributed to Al Qaeda's branch in Saudi Arabia acknowledged on Tuesday the death of one of its members in Mecca last week in a battle with security forces. "Fighter Abdul Rahman bin Obaidullah al-Khalaf al-Harbi died a hero in a clash with apostate government forces in the peninsula of Arabs," said the statement.
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Anti-terrorism police have charged eight men with various offences, including conspiracy to murder. They were also charged with conspiracy to commit a public nuisance by using radioactive material, toxic gas, chemicals or explosives. All eight will appear in Bow Street Magistrates' Court on Wednesday, Scotland Yard said on Tuesday. A ninth man arrested with them on 3 August was charged with possession of a prohibited weapon. The eight were named as Dhiren Barot; Mohammed Naveed Bhatti, 24, from Harrow, Middlesex; Abdul Aziz Jalil, 31, from Luton, Bedfordshire; Omar Abdul Rehman, 20 from Bushey, Hertfordshire; Junade Feroze, 28, from Blackburn, Lancashire; Zia Ul Haq, 25, from Paddington, London; Qaisar Shaffi; and Nadeem Tarmohammed.
Police charged them of conspiring "together and with other persons unknown" between 1 January 2000 and 4 August 2004 under the Criminal Law Act 1977. Under the Terrorism Act police had a deadline of Tuesday afternoon to charge them or release them, having questioned them for a fortnight. Three of the nine were also charged under the Terrorism Act 2000. Mr Barot, 32 and from Willesden, London, was also charged with possessing reconnaissance plans of the Stock Exchange in New York, the IMF in Washington, and the Citigroup in New York and having notebooks with information on explosives, poisons, chemicals and related matters. He was also charged with possessing a reconnaissance plan of the Prudential Building in New Jersey, U.S, as was Mr Tarmohammed, 26 and also of Willesden. The plans contained "information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000," police said. Mr Shaffi, 25, from Willesden, was charged with having an extract of the Terrorist's Handbook, Scotland Yard said. It was unclear which court the ninth man, Matthew Monks, 32, of Sudbury, would appear in and a date for his court appearance has not been set. Of course, these were just another bunch of innocent young Muslim men hounded whilst going about law-abiding business...
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Since when do "radioactive material, toxic gas, chemicals or explosives" constitute nothing more than a "public nuisance"?
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Dhiren Barot; Mohammed Naveed Bhatti, 24, from Harrow, Middlesex; Abdul Aziz Jalil, 31, from Luton, Bedfordshire; Omar Abdul Rehman, 20 from Bushey, Hertfordshire; Junade Feroze, 28, from Blackburn, Lancashire; Zia Ul Haq, 25, from Paddington, London; Qaisar Shaffi; and Nadeem Tarmohammed.
sounds like an IRA cell to me
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Matthew Monks, 32, of Sudbury
Besides that guy, who must've been working for the Sunday Mirror...
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After the initial hue and cry from the Uk Muslim community concerning the innocence of all those held we shall now witness a deafening...
*silence*
Now deport the families.
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This would be (at least part of) the cause of the alerts at the buildings in question. You know, the alerts the Democrats claimed were based on "old intelligence" and were just political ploys.
Can we call them traitors yet?
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Howard:
are there ANY UK Muslims who fully support the crackdown? Clearly, this is an obvious cell, hellbent on causing damage and misery. Are there any Muslim leaders in the UK who call for the end of Islamic militancy?
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Agree with Bulldog - they do support the crackdown, but with reservations. They refuse to see that their community should come under increased scrutiny as a result of recent world events and they appear incapable of reigning in the more extreme factions in the Muslim community - Omar Bakhri Mohamed/ Al-Muj. This adds fuel to the fire amongst the general populace. There were vociferous and multiple condemnations of these arrests from the muslim community as there always is. I'm glad that they've got 'the bad guys' but would love to see the same leaders come forward and publicly eat their humble pie.
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Interesting. A few thoughts:
I can't think of one Muslim organization or constituency here in the USA that claims loudly, repeatedly and unconditionally that Islamic terrorists are shameful and disgusting. The fact that there is even one news article (albeit from April) is encouraging.
I'm relatively sure that even the mainstream Muslim leaders while rejecting domestic terrorism in the UK, fully support the suicide bombers in Israel. Seems to me one cannot have it both ways.
I can't help but believe that it's a small percentage of Muslims who do know something, but do not come forward.
From Sept 11 to the present, I firmly believe that the end of Islamic terrorism will not come from our WoT but from reform from the Muslim community. And while I believe that, I am not convinced they either have the will or are capable of executing that reform.
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Re #13 (PlanetDan) I can't think of one Muslim organization or constituency here in the USA that claims loudly, repeatedly and unconditionally that Islamic terrorists are shameful and disgusting.
Here's the petition sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’ (Quran 4:135)
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The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Sami (JUI-S) claimed on Tuesday that its arrested members from Faisalabad had no link with Al Qaeda.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
Talking to Daily Times from Akora Khattak, JUI-S spokesman Maulana Muhammad Yousaf Shah said the Mubarak Mosque committee chairman had conspired against the JUI-S members because one of them had refused to support him in embezzling the mosque's funds.
That seems to be a favorite passtime of holy men, so it could even be true...
Punjab Elite Force and Faisalabad police arrested Qari Obaidullah Gurmani, Qari Noor Muhammad and Qari Imam Din from Mubarak Mosque near Gao Shala Mor in Faisalabad on Monday, suspecting them of having links with Al Qaeda. Mr Yousaf said that Qari Noor Muhammad was the imam of Mubarik Mosque and had a dispute with the mosque committee chairman over the embezzlement of Rs 2 million in mosque funds. "Qari demanded the committee chairman spend the money on the mosque's construction but the chairman refused. He offered Qari 50 percent of the amount for not raising the issue but Qari refused," said Mr Yousaf. He said that the committee chairman then lodged a false report against Qari Noor Muhammad claiming that he had links with Al Qaeda. The JUI spokesman said that Qari Obaidullah was a visitor and the police also arrested him. JUI-S member Muhammad Yousaf Razi said the arrested men had no links with any jihadi organisation.
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The father of a computer engineer suspected for having links with Al Qaeda filed a petition on Tuesday calling for his son to be produced in court and urging authorities not to extradite him. The suspect's father Hidayat Noor Khan filed a petition through his lawyer, Babar Awan, in the Lahore High Court, Rawalpindi. "Naeem Noor Khan has the right to be dealt with in accordance with the law," said Mr Awan. He said Mr Naeem Khan should have been produced in court within 24 hours of his arrest in order for his arrest to be regularised. The lawyer told Reuters that Mr Hidayat Khan feared for his son's safety, since there was a large bounty on his head, and wanted assurances that he would not be handed over to the US. "Let them prove the allegations," said Mr Awan.
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Did some one say "bounty? Is it dead or alive? I am convinced the U.K. will not extradite him and he will get off with a slap on the hand if anything. I say someone grabs him when possible and makes him "magicly appear" in the US of A.
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But Flamebait, then instead of being concerned that shaking the hand of a foreigner will cause their penises to fall off, they'll also have to worry that such an action will cause them to be instantly transported halfway around the planet...without cause. What would that do to jihadee morale???
LAHORE: Rawalpindi police has arrested men suspected of involvement in various acts of terrorism, a private news channel reported on Tuesday. However, Rawalpindi police chief Syed Marwat Ali Shah didn't deny or confirm the arrests. The channel sources said the arrested men were allegedly planning to sabotage Independence Day celebrations in Islamabad. The channel said the police traced the arrested men through their phonecalls. It said they were being interrogated.
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Hmmmmm.... Likely only page 2 of the Tallahasee Democrat.....
ISLAMABAD: Police raided Lal Mosque on Monday night and seized all published material. The residences of the Khateeb and deputy Khateeb of the mosque were also searched.
"Mahmoud!"
"Yessir!"
"Root through their underwear drawers and let me know what you find!"
A senior police officer said Maulana Abdul Aziz, Khateeb of the mosque, and his deputy Maulana Abdur Rashid Ghazi were wanted for questioning. However, Maulana Abdul Aziz managed to escape from the scene.
"Curly-toed slippers, don't fail me now!"
Maulana Aziz has been very critical of government policies and there have been reports in recent weeks that the government may remove him. The Imam also criticised the ongoing military operation in Wana saying that the officers should not be declared martyrs, sources said. The Interior Ministry has received reports that Mr Aziz was also instigating families of detained army officers to hold demonstrations.
"Y'can't be a martyr if you get shot by a tough guy in a turban! It's in the Koran someplace. You could look it up!"
"I got the whole Koran memorized, an' it ain't in there!"
"Well, my old imam used to say it was so, an' he was real holy. Had a beard down to here, and used to beat his wife somethin' awful!"
"Oh. Well. In that case you're prob'ly right..."
Demonstrators staged a protest in front of Lal Mosque against the district administration and police for abusing power and raiding sacred places. MMA leaders in a press conference condemned the raid and said the government was violating human rights.
"Yeah! Youse can't do that! We got rights, y'know!"
NNI adds: The deputy Khateeb said they had allegedly received threats from the government. "We were threatened not to talk against the government," Deputy Khateeb Rashid Ghazi said.
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LOL! Good times....
An olde favorite yeller highlite comment was:
mahmood loose the cheap watch
sahibide! my imman give it to me!
Fighting raged around the main western Afghan city Herat on Tuesday after forces opposed to Governor Ismael Khan captured a key district and moved closer to Herat, sending residents fleeing in panic, officials and residents said. Troops loyal to Khan, governor of vast Herat province bordering Iran, have been battling the forces of rival Pashtun commander Amanullah Khan for the past four days. At least 60 people were killed in clashes at the weekend, officials have said. On Tuesday morning Amanullah's forces broke through Ismael Khan's frontline at Astrakan district 85 kilometres south of Herat, officials on both sides said. "In the morning Ismael Khan's troops attacked Amanullah's. Later the fighting became very tense and Amanullah's troops broke through Khan's frontline at Astraskan," a local intelligence official said, asking not to be named. "Around 10:30am they took control of Astrakan district." Amanullah told the Afghan Islamic Press that Khan's forces had retreated from Astrakan. "As a result our forces have captured Astrakan. Our forces are now positioned between Astrakan and Herat city," he said.
As US warplanes flew overhead, patrolling Herat and surrounding districts, citizens living near Herat airport 20 kilometres south of the city centre fled their homes as Amanullah's troops approached, residents said. Governor Khan was seen distributing weapons to civilians. Uniformed and plain clothes armed men were stationed at every major intersection on Herat's streets, an AFP correspondent observed. The latest offensive caps a string of factional clashes between rival warlords battling for control of the western provinces of Herat, Farah, Badghis and Ghor in recent months. He said United States-led military coalition troops from Kabul were ready to be used if fighting spiralled out of control. "The Afghan government naturally has the lead in this matter and is trying to resolve the situation peacefully," said US military spokesman Major Rick Peat.
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Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain on Tuesday said that no particular religious party was being targeted in the crackdown on Al Qaeda. "Terrorists have only individual-level contacts with some of the Jamaat-e-Islami leaders," Shujaat told a press conference at the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) Secretariat. He was asked to comment on Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat's statement that several Al Qaeda operatives had been arrested from the JI's offices. He said that the government's action was against a few JI leaders who had links with terrorists and who helped them in their individual capacity.
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Law enforcement agencies have arrested two more Al Qaeda suspects for a suicide attack on prime minister in-waiting Shaukat Aziz, intelligence sources told Daily Times. Three Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) members were also booked in Faisalabad on Monday for alleged links with Al Qaeda, Online reported.
Ouch! I just banged my head! That really made me sit up. Usually they don't specifically identify them as being MMA...
"Muhammad Shafiq and Abu Hamza have been arrested from a hideout in North Cantt in Lahore," sources told Daily Times. Jaish e-Muhammad activist Muhammad Adnan, who was arrested from Jauharabad near Khushab a couple of days ago, pointed out their hideout. Shafiq is said to be Taliban leader Mulla Omar's close aide while Hamza is an Al Qaeda member from Myanmar. "Both of them fled Wana in South Wazirastan Agency after the Pakistan Army launched an-terrorist operation there," sources said.
Kinda like turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scurry...
Investigators believe that both of them had strong links with the people who masterminded the attack on Mr Aziz in Fatehjang in Attock from where he is contesting a by-election to become Pakistan's prime minister. Three cell phones and thousands of US dollars were seized from them.
Check those phone records, guys...
Meanwhile, the Punjab Elite Force and Faisalabad police arrested Qari Obaidullah Gurmani, Qari Noor Muhammad and Qari Imam Din from Mubarak mosque near Gao Shala Mor in Faisalabad. Gurmani is the MMA president from Faisalabad, while Noor and Imam Din are prayer leaders of the mosque. MMA supporters protested the arrests and demanded the government provide evidence of their links with Al Qaeda. The police did not comment on the arrests. Interior Minister Makhdoom Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat told the National Assembly last week that some Al Qaeda members were arrested from MMA offices. The MMA denied any links with the Al Qaeda network.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
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like turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scurry...
I can solve the war on terror just like I can get rid of cockroaches.
1. You find all the holes in your house, no matter how tiny and you fill them. (Great Stuff and caulking)
2. You set Combat (not RAID) roach traps so that any roaches in your house will take the bait and take it back to their nests and kill the whole colony.
3. Don't leave out food or leave doors/windows open. (This is not as important as steps 1 and 2)
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Gunmen ambushed a vehicle escorting buses carrying employees of the country's biggest natural gas producer in the southwest region yesterday, killing four paramilitary soldiers and wounding 10 others, a spokesman said. The attack occurred on a road near Sui, 350 kilometers southeast of Quetta, where the country's main natural gas pipeline and other gas facilities are located, said Col. Rizwan Malik, spokesman for the paramilitary Frontier Constabulary. He said the troops "came under attack when they were escorting buses carrying employees of Pakistan Petroleum Limited." Four paramilitary solders were killed and 10 others wounded, but no civilians were injured, he said. Malik said they didn't know who was behind the attack. He gave no other details.
My guess is Bugtis. Every time I hear about rockets and Sui, I think Bugtis...
Meanwhile, unknown attackers yesterday fired 25 rockets at a paramilitary base in Sui, but missed their target. Some of the rockets struck two homes in the area, injuring four civilians, officials said.
Yep. Definitely Bugtis...
It wasn't clear who was behind the two attacks which came a day after a rocket hit an army vehicle in the same tribal region. One paramilitary guard was killed and one wounded on Sunday, when unidentified gunmen fired at a convoy of employees of the same company, which operates the largest natural gas field in the country. Police in the town of Kalat, about 140 kilometers south of Quetta, said their police station was hit by a locally-made bomb early in the morning. It caused only minor damage to the building and no one was hurt. Nobody claimed responsibility for the ambush late Sunday on the outskirts of Sui, and a local police officer Munir Gondal said they were still investigating. He said the soldiers were patrolling in the area to guard the gas facilities when "unknown terrorists fired a rocket from a nearby mountain." Gondal gave no other details and said only that authorities were looking for the attackers. Quetta is the capital of Pakistan's southwestern Balochistan province. Attacks on soldiers and gas facilities are common in Balochistan, most blamed on tribesmen who allegedly carry out these attacks to pressure the government for higher royalties from gas extracted from their territory.
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With the grinding down of the peace processor I feel that things could really get bad.
Trust me on this one, the Parisian pali Queen will return and the fight will be on!
Iraq's radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr refused on Tuesday to meet a delegation of Iraqi political and religious leaders who want him to call off his uprising in the holy city of Najaf and other areas. A Sadr aide told reporters accompanying the delegation Sadr could not meet them "because of continued aggression by the Americans." The failure to hold face-to-face talks raises the possibility of a U.S.-led offensive to crush Sadr's Mehdi Army militia in the city. Another aide in Baghdad, Sheikh Mahmoud al-Soudani, said: "The delegation met Sadr's representatives but he declined to meet them due to security reasons and heavy shelling in Najaf."
The delegation had met Sadr's top aides and waited for the young cleric for three hours at the city's holiest shrine, the Imam Ali Mosque, where many of Sadr's militiamen are holed up. "We had a feeling that the office of Moqtada al-Sadr is positive," Sheikh Hussein al-Sadr, head of the eight-member delegation said. "The message reached Moqtada al-Sadr. We hope there will be better circumstances to meet with him." The delegation then drove to the governor's headquarters as fighting raged in a nearby cemetery, where U.S. gunship helicopters fired on rebel positions who responded by firing mortars and machine guns at U.S. and Iraqi government forces. It was not known if they would spend the night there or return to Baghdad.
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LH, I only hope so! The quicker we plant tater the better and if we can zap a few more of his rabble it's all good. We don’t need another Yasser that holds up in a HQ disgorging hate and vitriol.
Radical cleric Sadr refuses to see National Congress peace delegation arrived in Najef Tuesday to try and end armed confrontation between his militia and US-led forces. Jeebus H. Christ guys, lemme spill this last drop of blood in peace already, k?!?!?! It is either death and virgins or dentures man!
Shooting and mortar continued later around Imam Ali Mosque where militia holed up. Wednesday, National Congress elects interim 100-member legislature, delayed until peace mission led by Moqtada's older kinsman ayatollah Hussein al-Sadr returned to Baghdad. Brother Tater prefers to be mashed gentlemen, may we carry on now?
There are reports of British casualties in Iraq after a "hostile incident" in Basra. One or two soldiers are feared injured after fighting Shia militiamen in the southern town. Details of the incident or confirmation of the casualties are not available, a Ministry of Defence spokesman said.
Explosions and rifle fire echoed across the city as a number of small engagements broke out. Witnesses said militiamen loyal to radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr used rocket-propelled grenades in the firefight. A hotel was damaged and two Iraqi civilians were wounded. Earlier in the day, foreigners travelling in three British vehicles were taken to safety by British troops in the Basra after their convoy was hit by a roadside bomb. Witnesses said Sadr's militiamen attacked the vehicles and that at least one of the foreigners was wounded. Basra has been the scene of sporadic clashes between Shi'ite militants and British forces over the past 12 days.
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hi again all :) . Unfortuantly i do see ourselves (UK) as a bit of a weak link - not in the sense of skill or firepower but in that imagine a bomb or some crap like a morter wipes about 50 of our men,imagine all the loonny anti-war brigade swooping on it,our media would be showing 24 hour footage of the some of the soldiers parents weeping for thier lost ones and they'll over exagerate it as always crying quagmire, it fucks me off when soldiers familys bleat about the goverment sending the troops to war - i mean isnt that what thier meant to fuckin do! Seems like these oh to numerous families should have thought harder and deeper about what profession thier loved one is going into and what the consequences are.to many kids joining up thinking thier going on some sort of holiday adventure. Anyway bet the anti war mob would kick up all too much of a fuss over this and we'd have to pull back at least some troops,election coming up and all . BAck to military families, perhaps they should have to sign a paper saying thier not gonna bleat and whine about their kid getting killed in action doing his JOB!
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Shep,
Have you emigrated to the US? That's exactly what would happen here. Then, after a week of crying/mourning there would be a new crisis and it would be forgotten and we would move on shoulder to shoulder.
A boy from our small town bought the farm last week. The parents were grieving, to be sure. But there was no blaming Bush, etc. Wil the NYT pick that up? Nah. Only the bitchers. That's how it is when you let Lord Haw Haw live at home. But that's what makes us different.
From what I've read, Gordon Brown will be as stalwart an ally as Tone and Howard says what he has to to be opposition but would prove to be an Olympic contortionist in office.
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Agreed entirely Shep. IMO what the families think is really irrelevant - their sons and daughters made their own decisions to join the armed services, and they should be proud that they made that decision, irrespective of any misplaced concerns they have about this operation. Family members protesting the unjustness of their own bereavement can only dishonour their loved one's memory.
Besides, it's usually the media who root out relatives with a grudge against the government. You can be pretty confident that relatives who accept their loss with dignity and stoicism won't appear in many papers.
But I think it would take a huge loss of life to cause Blair to pull out the troops. Any sign of weakness would be pounced upon at home as well as abroad. Blair's to canny to make that mistake.
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People outside the UK find it hard to comprhend the level of control the media has over our population,The BBC are the worst offenders followed by the Gaurdian and unfortuantly there getting worse by the hour.Take today for example on BBC radio 2 at 1'oclock on the news the reporter said 'American tanks rolled into Najaf shooting at anyone who moved int he street' she then went on to mention civillians caught up in it and she was definatly trying to connect the two incidents together,its a small example but day after day of it and the public become liberal morons marching through the streets of london burning thier own fuckin countrys flag over a war they can not understand because they have no fomer interest in the subject thierfor the media just brainwash them.Oh and the British media have never even heard of the oil for food scandel. Unfortuantly in my lifetime alone (25years) i have seen our country turn into a weak, to liberal country for its own good.The average man in the street was Backing Sadddam Hussain remember.
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The average man in the street was Backing Sadddam Hussain remember.
I dunno about that, Shep. IIRC, opinion wavered up and down around the 50:50 ratio, and when sex opinions were compared men were found to be decidedly more pro-war than the women. It was mostly the liberal lady-boys who let the lads down...!
With his militants and human shields holed up inside one of Shi'ite Islam's most sacred shrines, radical Iraqi cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is playing a shrewd waiting game before an expected American-led offensive. Sadr's militiamen were inside the Imam Ali shrine and positioned along alleyways and on rooftops with a seemingly endless supply of AK-47 rifles and rocket-propelled grenades intermittently fired at U.S. troops in a nearby cemetery. But it was about 2,000 impassioned Iraqi civilian "volunteers" cheering Sadr in the marble-floored courtyard of the mosque who made the biggest show of force Monday. Traveling to Najaf from across Iraq, they are swelling the ranks of Sadr's supporters and could be another reason why U.S. troops may think twice before storming the shrine. "These people are a deterrent to the Americans because they are civilians. They are here so that the Americans won't attack the Imam Ali shrine," said Sheikh Ahmed Shaibani, a senior Mehdi Army commander and top aide to Sadr.
The longer the Americans wait to launch any offensive, the more time Sadr has to gain new supporters and entrench them inside the sprawling mosque. Any serious damage to the shrine would enrage millions of Shi'ites around the world, including those who make up about 60 percent of Iraq's population. The volunteers said they had no serious military training. But they seem ready to pick up an AK-47 rifle or use any means to try to block an advance by U.S. tanks positioned in neighborhoods near the shrine. "I will lie on the ground in front of the tanks, or I will kill the Americans to defend Sadr and Najaf," said Fadil Hamed, 30, standing among a group of men who said they walked to Najaf from the southern city of Basra.
Last week, thousands of Iraqis staged pro-Sadr protests in several cities and called for the downfall of interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi. Some marched to Najaf and are in the shrine with many of Sadr's Mehdi Army militiamen, who are posing the biggest challenge to Allawi since the U.S.-led occupiers handed power to Iraqis in late June. Beside a makeshift emergency clinic inside the mosque, a woman in a black veil comforted a man who lay on the marble floor with wounds to his right leg and arm.
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who let the water trucks in?
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The proper term for "human shields" is "war criminal", although, "legal target" and "casualty" are both acceptable.
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"collateral damage" and "chlorine in the gene pool" work as well...
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Naw -- "collateral damage" refers to people and things you don't want to kill but that are too close to a legitimate target. "Human shields" are violating the laws of war, and thus become legitimate targets themselves.
Any that survive the attack should be summarily executed for being unlawful combatants.
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Let's not forget that "militant" = "terrorist". Bombs away!
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Sadr will become a permanent resident of the mosque, like Arafat in his HQ, or will be allowed to leave with his militia. Then he'll do it all over again, until we learn.
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if all of the reporters have left the city, how did abc get this report?
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What a POS! This is practically a love letter to Tater.
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If the US withdraws its tanks from Najaf without using them to assault the Sadrites in the Shrine, I would love to hear a late night TV show use Maggie's line to Danny Noonan in Caddyshack -- "Tanks for nuttin!"
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First of all this is ABC news. Who the hell knows what is really going on?
Also, they are not 'civilians' they are militants. We here at rantburg call them 'tater-tots'.
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Very shortly we're going to be calling them "the dead guys."
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Who in the hell is letting people into this area? What the Hell is ABC doing reporting when all reporters have been told to leave. Since is sounds as if they have been in the shrine they must be embeded in the terrorist forces. I never watch ABC anyhow.
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sigh...at this point I'd be happy to hear spin...at least that's better than NOTHING!!!
WHAT'S HAPPENING!!???!!!
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ONE MORE F&%KING TIME:
SLEEP GAS. Pump the d@mned mosque full of it and be done with this stinking charade. There is no other way of successfully terminating this fiasco. Sadr has to go and we really need to avoid demolishing the shrine. Fine, pump it full of knock-out gas and clean house.
Does anyone else have a workable solution they'd like to present? Because, I'd sure like to hear it.
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fuckin obliterate the wretched shine thing with a bunker buster followed by a daisy cutter followed by cluster munitions with anti personnel bomblets inside.once the dust has settled move the troops in
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Hmmm... We need a munition that sows salt, heh - would follow on nicely with Shep's menu.
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Z: Are you suggesting something like what they tried in the Moscow Theater? The good thing would be is that there are few "hostages" in the Ali Mosque. Of course, there are the stories about tunnels. . .
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Are you suggesting something like what they tried in the Moscow Theater? The good thing would be is that there are few "hostages" in the Ali Mosque. Of course, there are the stories about tunnels. . .
Yes, BigEd. I'm confident that we have better formulas that what the Russians used. If a few people end up overdosing, that's the breaks.
Let's first do a circumvalent patrol with deep side scanning radar to detect any tunnels. Flood all that we find (or pump gas through them) and then gas the mosque. We do not have the luxury of sitting around hoping for some elusive break. The Iraqis are justifiably losing both respect and confidence in our ability to impose order and Sadr is the core of this problem.
We need to be seen dragging his somnolent carcass out of the Imam Ali shrine along with all his militia and their weapons. Then we need to document and detail any explosives these bastards rigged inside to make clear who the Shi'ites are really cheering on.
By using sleep gas (preferrably a noncombustive aerosol of some sort), we will show a determination not to damage the stinking mosque but demonstrate our resolve to win. Blowing down the mosque just isn't an option.
"And then there is the bogus issue of mosques, which our leaders approach with superstition, not sense. While Najaf’s Imam Ali shrine truly is a sacred place, the fact is that there are mosques and there are mosques.
Our unwillingness to target even a derelict neighborhood mosque packed with ammunition, weapons and terrorists is not only militarily foolish — it’s based upon the assumption that Muslims are so stupid that they don’t know the rules of their own religion. That’s nonsense. They know that mosques aren’t supposed to be used as bunkers. But they’re not going to shout it from the rooftops to help us out.
Were we to destroy a series of local mosques used by terrorists throughout Iraq, there would be an initial outcry — which the media would exaggerate. But it would blow over with remarkable speed. The only lasting effect would be to put the terrorists on notice that we won’t let them make the rules any longer."
Long ago we should have started leveling minor mosques that were being used as bunkers. This would have correctly sent the message that all religious sites tainted by military use were off the safe list. I firmly believe that the tragic overemphasis placed on religiosity by the White House has literally crippled our ability to properly engage those who hide behind religion while they conduct war against us.
The routine pull backs of our troops while they were on the verge of victory is a complete betrayal of our soldiers and the blood they shed in our name.
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Zenster, we can use tear gas, but if we used some kind of sleeping agent and 1 person died, the left, the Islamic street, etc., would explode with cries of "The US is gassing the Iraqis." Given the WMD claims we made going in, there is no room to give the @sshats an opening like that.
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Tear gas is not the answer. It can be defeated by respirators. We need to knock these suckers out cold so they have less chance of damaging the mosque. Observers should be kept on hand to witness the evacuation and revival of the occupants. So f&%king what if one or two people die?
There's many more people who are going to die, American troops included, if we do not end this Mexican standoff pronto. What's your solution, Tibor? We've got to find one d@mn soon and all the other options look like sh!t. Gas the suckers and be done with it.
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If Bush sacntioned the use of gas, there would be hell to pay. If fatalities resulted, you could only begin to imagine the consequences of "the only WMDs in Iraq having been used by Bush" (to anticipate the entirely predictable response of the LLL, the MSM and every foreign commentator under the sun). In that kind of public opinion storm, Bush would find winning the election much harder and jihadees would be more determined to use unconventional agents themselves. It would be a recruitment dream for the bad guys. Far, far too much to lose for it to be worth the risk.
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Zenster, I don't think the talking heads would blink, let alone blush, at deliberately overlooking the fact that technically sleeping gas isn't a WMD. It's a gas - that'd be good enough. If there were no fatalities, there mightn't be much fuss (there might even be some praise), but if there were, you can bet images of the dead would be more reproduced than those from Halabja... Besides, I'm sure there would be fatalities when the troops went in (those less affected holding out; those who might be rigged with explosives a la the black widows of the Moscow theatre seige), which might well be protrayed as gas victims - which would no doubt sucker many in the Muslim world, if not the West.
My solution? Something more conventional. IMO even restrained use of HE would be safer. After all, Saddam used HE on that very mosque back in '91. It's been patched up before.
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Optimal solution (don't know if possible) - close down to all but the mosque itself and nail a safe perimiter, then go in with special forces after reducing as much of the defence with snipers as possible. Perhaps send in a few of those 'gun droids' too :) .
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Zenster, I doubt these clowns have gas masks or respirators. My solution is not to fire a bunch of tear gas cannisters and to sit and wait for them to come out. It's to fire the tear gas and have the ING go in. Maybe that's what the ING has been training to do these last few days. I am most worried about Sadr and his blackshirts blowing up the Shrine and blaming it on the US. There should be US cameras trained on the Shrine 24-7 and friendly Iraqi media types ready to print "It was all Sadr's fault" stories. Any assault must have the public backing of the interim Iraqi government and perhaps the Iraqi National Conference delegates as well. I am sympathetic to Ralph Peters' arguments, but I think we can't afford to undermine the legitimacy of the Iraqi government. If Allawi is willing to allow us to put the hammer down, I am confident the Marines will be up to the task. However, our PR and political machines better be prepared to deal with a sh*tstorm of criticism from the Dems, LLLs, our "allies," the Muslim world, etc.
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Also, we should also be using psyops. Bombard them with high volume Scandanavian death rock, Christian folk songs, midget porn, John Kerry speeches, whatever.
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Tibor's on to something...I vote for endless reruns of Hello Larry.
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Tibor, Bulldog, thank you both for making some sort of honorable replies as opposed to merely carping.
Days ago I mentioned sealing off the mosque's perimeter and starving them out. I'm also sure we're all keenly interested in how the hell water trucks made their delivery in an unperforated and undrained state. It's precisely this endless dithering that is murdering all hope of any swift resolution. I feel we have succumbed to the sort of moral quailing that Peters outlined in his article. We have permitted the foe to cross line after line drawn in the sand while our own soldiers remain crouched on the starting blocks.
I've yet to feel any confidence in the ING's ability to sweep this mosque. I'm also concerned that Qom based Iranian agents are the ones who have mined the shrine. This is why I've previously advocated displacing the building's breathable atmosphere with CO2 or using sleep gas.
Another solution of using audio-visual disruption (low frequency red strobe lights and sound) might work, but it allows too much time for anyone with their finger on the switch to blow up the place.
It seems pretty clear that the Iraqis have neither the expertise or backbone to resolve this themselves. Their constant "negotiations" and amnesty offers all send the exact wrong message and Sadr's thugs can only be emboldened by it.
I see the greatest problem as being how it is so important that American troops are not those who enter the shrine. It is why I previously mentioned the administration's damaging overemphasis on religiosity. Once our troops have been killed at the hands of those hiding in the mosque, it's fair game. Perhaps not for destruction, but most certainly for invasion. We cannot help it if people desecrate their own religious monuments. It is they who have chosen to do so and by all measures we are doing the Iraqi people a favor in disposing of them.
Too bad that we do not already have hardened surveillance robots with defensive mechanisms (i.e., high voltage, piercing sound etc.) to enter the place and begin scouting for us. What we really need is a particle beam that can penetrate the shrine's masonry walls and fry these maggots in place.
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It's too late to play games. Put a cordon of razor wire around the mosque as close as we can. We give them 30 minutes to start surendering, or we start pumping in laughing gas. Tons of the stuff, with huge fans to make sure it's blown in the right direction. Pipe it in using 2" PVC pipe, from every direction. Back it up with the world's worst acid rock played at 250dB on the world's largest sound system. When the dumbsh$$$ start falling into the wire, we can either a) shoot them, or b) handcuff them and turn them over to the Iraqi army so THEY can shoot them. If any of them are Iranian, we march them to the nearest border crossing, shoot them just on this side of the border, and make the Iranian border guards haul them across.
I don't think laughing gas is against the Geneva convention - it's basically an asesthetic. But a bout of uncontrolled giggles would be more humiliating to these "supermen" than anything else that could happen to them. IF it also makes them crap their pants after they pass out, who the he$$ cares?
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A TRUNCATED delegation of Iraqis arrived in Najaf by helicopters today to present radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr with a peace proposal aimed at ending the violent insurgency wracking the holy city. Cobbled together by delegates at Iraq's National Conference, it demanded that Sadr's Mahdi Army militia put down its arms, leave the Imam Ali Shrine where it is sheltering up and join Iraq's political process in exchange for amnesty. "This is not a negotiation. This is a friendly mission to convey the message of the National Conference," said delegation head Hussein al-Sadr, a distant relative of the cleric. "We want to change the Mahdi Army into a political organisation and to evacuate the shrine of Ali with the promise not to legally pursue those taking shelter there. This is what the government and all Iraqis want."
The eight-member delegation - seven of them Shiites - arrived at a US military base in Najaf this afternoon aboard two US Army Blackhawk helicopters. Earlier today, a much larger delegation of 60 conference members had planned to take a convoy on the 160 km journey to Najaf. That trip was delayed, and then eventually called off, because of security concerns. After that delegation waited for more than seven hours to arrange a security escort, Hussein al-Sadr suddenly announced the smaller group would travel to Najaf by helicopter. "The government wishes this delegation to achieve its goals to end the crisis forever, to protect the people and the holy sites," Hussein al-Sadr said. "This is for the benefit of Najaf and Iraq and every Iraqi."
A mortar round that hit a busy street several km away killed seven people and injured 47 others, officials said. Sadr's followers have said they were boycotting the gathering, though several members of his movement have been seen there in recent days. Explosions and gunfire shook the streets of Najaf today as the clashes escalated. US troops entered the flashpoint Old City neighbourhood, where the Mahdi Army was based, and US tanks encircled the Old City. The militants have battling US troops from Najaf's vast cemetery and revered Imam Ali Shrine since August 5, when a two month old ceasefire broke down.
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Arab Think. Sigh.
This "mission" is, by any other measure, simply stupid - like voluntarily implanting a malignant tumor.
I hope his Iranian Masters have given him strict orders to reject it and fight. I believe they intend to have him play the martyr. I do not think he is smart enough to realize it - at least fully.
A worthless endeavor. The only thing this negotiating is doing is putting the spotlight on Sadr, and it's not for the better. Had he been taken out when his head first popped up out of the ground, this whole situation with the mosque and his little army of thugs wouldn't be happening. Live and learn guys: either you change the antifreeze when it needs changing at minimal cost (the price of the antifreeze), or spend several hundred bucks on a new radiator. Which would YOU rather do?
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Our next tank and IFV should be named the M-4 "Mediator" and the M-5 "Negotiator." Think of the headlines: "Mediators Destroy Sacred Shrine; Sadrites Dumbfounded." Think of the t-shirts "They sent in Negotiators but all I got is killed." It reminds me of the scene in The Fifth Element. Bruce Willis kills the head alien and asks if anyone else wants to negotiate.
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This is like poking a daisy into a turd so people won't notice it sitting on the living room carpet.
So, Tibor, you're a proponent of the Corbin Dallas school of negotiation too, eh? What's not to like?
A HIGH-RANKING officer of the feared Saddam-era Iraqi secret police was arrested early today in a village near Tikrit, police said. General Rabia Suhel Nadjam, former deputy chief of the secret police known as the mukhabarat, was arrested during a joint US-Iraqi operation, Tikrit police Colonel Hatam Abdoula told AFP. The operation, involving tanks and helicopters as well as US army and Iraqi national guard troops, took place at 4am (10am AEST) at Albu Hyazeh, some three kilometres east of Tikrit, the hometown of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, 180km north of Baghdad. Gen. Nadjam was arrested at his home along with his 20-year-old son, Mokdad, according to police. The general was deputy to secret police chief Taher Jalil Habbush, 16th on the US list of most-wanted Iraqis, who remains at large.
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in Tikrit, ya say? What a surprise!
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Just started reading 'Taskforce Dagger' by Robin Moore. Do any Rantburgers know where Jack Idema fits in? There's an Idema in the book with a different Christian name - is it the same fella? Help!?
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That was never a condition of our agreement, nor was giving Han to this bounty hunter!
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Pray that I don't alter it further.
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Howard -- spoiler alert -- At the end of the book "Jack" is revealed as Idema.
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Many thanks.
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Bounty Hunter?
WTF?
F^ck 'em all
Chrisitian burned my ship
and im chassing his ass in hell...
#5
If he doesn't have $890, how did he get over there? They should buy a berth on a freighter for him so he can see what it looks like to work for a living.
Interior Minister Makhdoom Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat on Monday claimed that Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), a major component of Muttahidda Majlis-i-Amal (MMA), was supporting Al Qaeda and providing shelter to its leaders in Pakistan.
Now there's a surprise, not
He told a press conference at his chamber in Parliament House that the government had asked the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) and the JI to explain whether they owned those activists of JI whose links with Al Qaeda had been established. "These religious organizations have to explain why their high-profile activists have supported Al Qaeda terrorists," he added.
Ummm, cause it's in their mission statement?
However, Syed Munawar Hassan, the JI secretary-general, rejected outright the allegations made against his party's activists, saying the interior minister should prove these allegations in a court of law, otherwise he (minister) should avoid making false claims.
"You can't prove a thing! All the witnesses are dead!"
He said the interior minister had failed to control terrorism and violence in the country and was shifting the blame of his own failure to other people. Earlier, the interior minister claimed at his press conference that an active member of JI and her husband had their links with a high-profile Al Qaeda terrorist Khalid Sheikh and his son. Mr Hayat said the couple was running a trust in Karachi known as Naveed-ul-Islam Trust and the chairperson of the trust, Mrs Shazia, was also a JI activist. He said that two other activists of JI, the Khawaja brothers, were arrested on Dec 18 for allegedly harbouring a top Al Qaeda leader Yasir Al Jazeeri.
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He [Syed Munawar Hassan, the JI secretary-general] said the interior minister had failed to control terrorism and violence in the country and was shifting the blame of his own failure to other people.
Uh ... folks, we're talking about a country where madrasahs churn out terrorist recruits by the thousands. There's no way of "shifting the blame" when everybody's guilty.
Musharraf will most likely pay for this perfidy with his life. Pakistan may quite possibly pay the ultimate price for its collusion with Wahhabist and jihadist conspirators. Their dreams of ascendancy will be astonishingly short lived. Before these radicals could ever get their hands on any missile launch controls, Pakistan would be reduced to smoking glass. Even if America did not intervene, India would have justifiable cause to initiate a first strike against such a hostile enemy.
It goes beyond all credibility how Islamists fail to realize that their mere existence is an insufferable threat to other nations which are armed with the ability to vaporize them in a heartbeat. These violent radicals issue bellicose threats and go about plotting their subversive activities while somehow ignoring the massive sword of Damocles suspended above their heads by a single frayed thread.
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As I say every time I read about one of al-Reuters terrorist supporting minions getting capped......GOOD! I hope it was very painful, and permanently debilitating. These bastards deserve it.
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Yeah - I read in an AP story that the "press" was all huffy and indignant about the expulsion order - and saying they weren't going to comply. They must've thought they were in London or NY - instead of a war zone. Real Darwin Award potential there... And here we are...
The funniest thing was that the Police Chief who was booting them was named Al Jazeera. Heh.
I think the "najaf" is the Arabic equivalent of what duelling reports used to describe as "the fleshy upper part of the thigh," ie he was wounded in his pride (the same part my husband fell on in his TaeKwanDo class last Saturday, poor darling)
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all of you are a bunch of bastard jews mother fuckers that if I have here in front of me I will kick your ass When your cocksucker george the moron will be booted back to suck horses dicks in Texas your toilet rantburg crap will be a fair game that is a promise
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Gee, thanks for sharing, Anon6110!
You wouldn't happen to be a very badly wounded Osama phoning it in from Waziristan, would you?
I personally love being a WASP, legitimate non-fornicating "b*stard jew mother f*cker" and I love and will vote for AGAIN that "c*cksucker george," too.
The "moron" has ridden rings around his enemies, both foreign and domestic, so how much of a moron is he, really?
The world is now minus 2 Islamist thugocracies and a 3rd has disarmed voluntarily (and the rest are talking about "reforms") and we're not done...so who's laughing now, moron?!
A delegation of Iraqis meant to help negotiate an end to an uprising in Najaf was forced to delay its mission Tuesday when it could not get a military escort for the dangerous journey to meet the radical cleric at the center of the standoff in the holy city. It was an embarrassing turn of events for Iraqi leaders seeking a political victory to give them credibility as they try to chart the country's new course and end the fighting in Najaf —their worst crisis since taking power in the end of June.
As the delegation waited in Baghdad, a mortar round hit a busy street in the city several miles away, killing six people and wounding 35, the Interior Ministry and hospital officials said. The blast on al-Rasheed Street set one building on fire and damaged seven cars, said Col. Adnan Abdul-Rahman, of the Interior Ministry. Capt. Amer Nouman at the Medical City hospital said the blast killed five people, including two children. Three of the bodies were burned beyond recognition, he said. He said the hospital also received 30 people who were wounded in the explosion.
The 60 mediators from Iraq's National Conference had planned to leave early Tuesday morning to meet radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and appeal to his followers to put down their weapons and join Iraq's political process. However, by early afternoon, they still remained at the conference site in central Baghdad. "The U.S. troops and Iraqi police refused to escort the delegation, they are afraid for its safety because they themselves are being targeted by militants," said delegate Ahmad al Hayali. The Interior Ministry said it had received no request to provide security for the delegation. "We are prepared to provide all kinds of protection to the delegation from Baghdad to Najaf and back," Interior Ministry spokesman Sabah Kadhim said. The conference itself was considered a major target for militants waging a 16-month-old insurgency in the country and an explosion, reportedly from a mortar, shook the area near the building on Tuesday. Al-Sadr aide Ali al-Yassiry, who said he came to the conference to talk to U.N. officials about the Najaf violence, said he was slightly injured in the blast. Al-Sadr's followers have said they were boycotting the gathering, though several members of his movement have been seen there in recent days. Meanwhile, explosions and gunfire shook the streets of Najaf on Tuesday as the clashes escalated. U.S. troops entered the flashpoint Old City neighborhood, where al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia was based, and U.S. tanks encircled the Old City.
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If they were actually "Iraqi leaders" and, in any way, represented the Iraqi Interim Govt then they would have had the whole array of services at their behest.
A GUN-TOTING fanatic stands on a burning American tank as fighting erupts in Baghdad once again. The Abrams M1A1 Main Battle Tank was wrecked yesterday when supporters of rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr exploded a bomb under it. The crew escaped with minor wounds, and a US helicopter gunship later raked the street with fire. Meanwhile a French journalist was kidnapped in the southern city of Nassiriya, Al Jazeera TV said.
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Gotta watch out for snake bites, I hear, when celebrating atop an Abrams. They can be nasty and painful.
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I heard a report on CBS that it was a Bradley. The two look nothing alike. Is it too much to ask for the Sun and CBS to hire someone who knows which is which?
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Looks like an Abrams to me. I'd like to hear the circumstances on what happened to it. It doesn't looked "wrecked".
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They showed it on the morning news in Houston (local fox affiliate). It was definitely a Bradley or one of the Marine amphibious tracks and was *no way in heck* an Abrams. Much too tall, much too narrow, and no main gun -- just to name a few reasons...
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Note to self: RTFA before commenting, lest you sound like an idiot... (sigh). But there was a troop track of some kind burning on tv this morning (attempts a save...)
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You can't expect reporters to know any sort of icky military hardware. They can't even tell the difference between semi-automatic and full automatic. Being able to identify things like tanks, planes, and guns just proves that you're not in the 'elite'. It just takes too many brain cells to know things.
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The photo in the above link shows and M1. The video you saw showed a tank recovery vehicle (M88? 50-70 tons) getting hit by an RPG. Even though I did not see the aftermath and though it was hit from the side, there is a good chance the RPG did not penetrate, since the recovery vehicle is built on a tank chassis and heavily armored
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Well an interesting bunch of ass clowns who by the way tried to own my box when I went to the url. Avoding sites that are .ru is a good practice. Having a hardware firewall and a Linux system prevented any exploit. If someone had the time they might sniff this IP address of the "bunch" posting there. At least some seem to be in Iraq and involved in causing trouble who are posting.
I found it pretty amusing that they claim casulty figures are being fudged. The MSM are like flies on a dead rat on that. There is no way to "fudge" the numbers. The butt bites at that site can't comprehend how so few grunts can kill some many of them while so few of those same grunts get hurt or killed. They are still fighting that 1960 war and we are not, thats why.
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Any real damage likly to non-hw firewall/Win XP? - just gave 'em a piece of my mind and now fear the consequences for my system.. haven't found anything yet.
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I think it was just a random probing by them. I don't advise being "naked" on the internet.
A seperate hardware firewall is always good. I don't know XP. I assume it is another fine MicroSoft product that is full of security holes. But I quit working on MicroSoft computers in 2000 and have not looked back and have not missed anything as far as I can tell. The real problem with a intrigated firewall/packet filter is it sucks up CPU cycles and memory. If you have plenty to spare it's not that bad.
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Many thanks for an honest opinion FB - hw firewall now on shopping list. Still nothing on the Fallujah incident...
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08/17/2004 6:18 Comments ||
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I steer clear of everything in the .ru domain, as well.
If you want to play with fire - you can go to this domain: Look2Me.com. It was the first and only time I have ever been infected with something I could not get rid of - and yep, it exploited my settings in XP perfectly. My settings, not XP. But, because I could not get rid of it, eventually I scraped my machine clean and re-installed from scratch. So check it out if you're a gunslinger. Put it on your firewall block list, otherwise.
HK - You can get a great free firewall (ZoneAlarm) at ZoneLabs. Put it in "learn" mode so you are prompted and decide what pgms have access to the outside world - and which don't. Within the average day you have it working smoothly without having to be a Guru. Just go to the download link and choose ZoneAlarm - it's free for private use.
Then check yourself with the Shields Up! test at Steve Gibson's great site. It will probe your machine and tell you if you're vulnerable. Steve kicks ass!
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"You can get a great free firewall (ZoneAlarm) at ZoneLabs. Put it in "learn" mode so you are prompted and decide what pgms have access to the outside world - and which don't."
Two months ago I suffered a major virus, adware and spyware infection that proved incurable: I ended up re-formatting my HD and re-installing XP to get rid of it.
Since then, I've done two things which seem to have prevented any recurrance: bought and installed Zonealarm Security Suite (firewall + antivirus + popup ad blocker), and switched to FireFox (www.mozilla.org) for my browser.
Not claiming it's perfect, but it's been 100% effective so far.
BTW, it's absolutely AMAZING how many programs/processes on an XP system attempt to access the internet without your permission; Zonealarm's outgoing firewall changes their attitude from "presumptuous" to "obsequious" in one fell swoop.
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DaveD - The two settings that are, by default, incorrectly set and which make you vulnerable in IE are in the Security Tab / ActiveX controls - they should both be disabled in the Internet Zone:
Download unsigned... and Initialize and script Active Control not marked as safe. That is the simple cure for the bad stuff.
I tried FireFox and found several annoying / odd behaviors - directly related to having multiple copies open, copy & paste functions, and other rather simple things which are essential if you post articles on RB. Otherwise, it seemed fine and, since it does not try to be all things to all people, it was slimmer and faster. But since I do post articles occasionally, those irritated me sufficiently to switch back to IE. If they (or the people who wrote the add-ons I tried) correct these little annoyances, I'll give it another try. I don't give a flip whose browser I use - it just has to work the way I actually want it to. No big deal.
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Have Zone Alarm - but doesn't work with IIS, (local web server) - currently using old version of ZA and managing to develop .asp pages without hassle. May make the big jump to Linux soon...
Still no news on Fallujah incident...
Posted by: Howard UK ||
08/17/2004 9:28 Comments ||
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Since the topic is Hijackings, RUN YOUR WINDOWS UPDATE. That'll cover most of the worms/trojans out there.
Also, when that little window pops up saying to install something, Click NO.
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Huh... that was interesting. Clumsy use of scripts and largely ineffective, but I think I'll keep them. :)
Would be fun to poke those animals throught he bars a little!
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If you are going to use MicroSoft Internet Exploder the correct answer to any pop up is always no
And Oldspook I am using Firebird 0.6.1 on Mandrake 9.2 Linux. I haven't felt the need to upgrade Mozilla I do the security updates to Mandrake and the packages I have installed. It's very doubtful We could get owned is it. Since by default no external process could download and execute a program as is the case with MicroSoft products.
I still have not heard of any 11 deaths to US forces so it's more propaganda from some losers.
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Also never, ever, go to strange sites while logged in as 'root' (that's the administrator to you windows folks out there) -- thats just begging for trouble.
Me? I'm running Suse 9.1 with Firefox 0.8 with a Netgear router/firewall. Just downloaded a bunch of updates.
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When you think about it, our inability to fudge casualty reports is a function of transparancy in government. It is pretty sad that the Pentagon is more transparent than the UN.
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LOL CrazyFool I say go root and get on IRC with no firewall. I have a debebian stable box I keep for such fun. Usually I can last about 8 minutes before being totally owned.
The true character of a militant organisation becomes most obvious when it has no qualms about killing the very people whose cause it supposedly espouses.
There's a clear statement.
The Independence Day attack at Dhemaji, Assam, killing 20 people, including seven schoolchildren, by the Ulfa was such a desperate measure conducted by an organisation that faces an existential crisis. The Ulfa's self-professed aim is to "establish a sovereign independent Assam". While this seemed revolutionary to many at the inception of the outfit in 1979, today the people of Assam have recognised — and insisted — that its future lies firmly with the Union of India. The 'mainstreaming' of Assam has thus made secessionist aspirations an anachronism. But with such a situation, Ulfa finds itself without a raison d'etre. Late last year, the insurgent group faced near extinction when it was flushed out of Bhutan, where it had set up camps. It was in this backdrop that the government agreed to start talking with the Ulfa, providing it an opportunity to stop its terrorist activities without having 'to lose face'. Instead, the secessionist group — along with five other rebel groups — called for a boycott of Independence Day celebrations and a general strike in Guwahati. The Dhemaji massacre and attempts elsewhere in the state show once again that the Ulfa doesn't know the language of negotiations.
Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi must know that perhaps unlike in the past, the people are now firmly on the side of the State and against a bunch of murderers who have now extended their targets from politicians and other representatives of the State to ordinary people and children. It is one thing to leave the negotiating door open to cornered terrorists so as to end a long and tardy affair. It is quite another when there are groups killing children and ordinary citizens in the name of some moth-eaten ideology or cause.
The government now needs the courage to whack these guys once and for all, and the smarts not to antagonize the people.
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Meals are not being served today to hundreds of Arab terrorists imprisoned in Israel - because they have embarked on a hunger strike. The terrorists demand better humanitarian conditions, though no fewer than 70% of them are estimated to have Jewish blood on their hands in one way or another. The strike is expected to spread from the 3-4 prisons in which it began today to many others across the country.
"For inhumane people to demand humanitarian improvements is an absurdity bordering on contempt," said Yehudit Dasberg today. Mrs. Dasberg, who has been in the forefront in the struggle against releasing terrorists from prison, adopted her two young grandchildren after their parents - Yaron and Effie Ungar - were murdered in a Hamas terror attack in June 1996.
"As far as I'm concerned," said Public Security Minister Tzachi HaNegbi on Friday, "they can starve until they die." Prison Service officials said that they did not take this literally, and would in fact have medical staff on hand to ensure that this did not happen. Government officials have said, however, that they do not plan to give in to the terrorists' demands.
The imprisoned terrorists demand the removal of the glass walls separating them from their visitors, as well as other improvements in their visiting arrangements. They also want telephones in their cells or wings, as well as the right to have cell phones, a computer in each cell, no Value Added Tax on their canteen purchases, air conditioners in their cells, no more body checks, and more.
The Prison Service responded to their refusal to take meals by taking away the televisions from their cells, canceling all visitations and sports activities, and more.
I think sports activities should be mandatory for the hunger strikers. Force them to jog around the BBQ pit.
Prison and police officials say that they will not give in on any demands that have to do with security. "The jails have become, over the past few years, top headquarters for the Palestinian terror organizations," they say. Dozens of terror attacks have been planned during this period by imprisoned terrorists, with the aid of cell phones smuggled to them by visiting relatives. Some 850 such phones were found and confiscated over the past year.
Why not throw a dampening field around the prison? No cell phones at all. You need to talk, you use a land line.
"We would rather see terrorists die of hunger than to see Israeli citizens murdered in terror attacks," unnamed prison officials said. The strike is not expected to be a short one. Jerusalem police have stepped up their preparedness to meet the threat of possible Arab seething and eye-rolling violence in solidarity with the striking terrorists.
PA prime minister Ahmed Qurei took cynical advantage of the situation to demand the release of all 8,000 PA prisoners being held in Israeli jails. "The release of all the prisoners is an essential condition for any solution or progress in the peace porcess," he said today. "The government regards the prisoners issue as being at the top of its list of priorities."
Yet another reason why peace is not exactly at hand.
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Er. If all these prisoners are being held incommunicado and denied phones and relatives, how exactly are they coordinating a hunger strike across multiple prisons?
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PS: Steve White, thank you for running this as a separate article. I didn't want to beat this topic to death, but all of us here at Rantburg know d@mn well that the UN and EU will be trying to club Israel over the head with accusations of cruel and inhuman punishment. I feel it is important to expose just how ridiculous the prisoners' demands are and the sort of compromise they represent to Israeli security. Again, thank you.
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This is what the Israelis get for not having the death penalty. If these fuckers were just thrown up against a wall and shot, you wouldn't have to worry about your jails becoming planning and communication hubs for terrorists.
Posted by: Mitch H. ||
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Can we keep a scoreboard on how many of these "heroes" of the struggle actually starve themselves to death? My current bet: "zero".
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Israel should take the unused prison food and give it away to poor Israeli Arabs. Find some way to flip this debacle into positive PR wherever possible.
08/16/2004 18:55
The courageous Chechen woman killed the 4 bandits who shot her husband to death. I was banned from photographing this lady as her relatives are concerned about her safety. Lilia Aslukhanova"s name became known to everybody in Russia after she shot to death the 4 bandits who killed her husband, the investigator of Chechen Justice Ministry. The 28-year-old wife of the murdered man, the mother of 4 kids, did not allow the murderers to leave the place - she shot the criminals from her husband"s machine-gun.
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One hell of a tragic story--This really struck me as a poignant reminder that there are so many people in war- and violent crime-zones who want nothing more than to live their lives in peace. I commend Lilia for ensuring these four bastards will never inflict pain and suffering on another familiy like they did to hers.
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she shot the criminals from her husband"s machine-gun
Fine shootin' Lilia! Of course if she was here in the states you know someone from the ATF would be wanting to see her Class 3 FFL. I hate to think what our good neighbors to the North would do with her.
via Al Rooters - EFL
U.S. troops and Shi'ite militiamen have battled in the holy Iraqi city of Najaf only hours after political and religious leaders in Baghdad agreed to make a last-ditch appeal for peace. Broadening their uprising from the urban battlefield in Najaf and seven other cities, the Mehdi Army of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr set an oil well on fire in southern Iraq, the government said on Monday. Iraqis meeting to pick an interim national assembly in Baghdad said they would send a delegation to Najaf to try to convince Sadr to end a conflict that has killed hundreds and failed to undermined the authority of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.Last minute hiccups with transport delayed departure of the delegation to Tuesday morning, officials said.
"Of course, sub-minister Mahmoud, we'll have you rolling to Najaf shortly."
["Tyrone, you pulled the ignition module on the Humvees?"]
["Yessir, LT, they ain't goin' nowhere."]
In the heart of Najaf, U.S. forces backed by tanks exchanged fire with militiamen entrenched around the sacred Imam Ali Mosque and an ancient cemetery. Explosions boomed and the crackle of machinegun fire echoed across the city. The move to send the delegation came after the Najaf unrest again dominated the meeting in Baghdad where 1,300 political and religious leaders will select a 100-member assembly to oversee Allawi's interim government until elections in January. "We will deliver this urgent call from the national conference to Moqtada al-Sadr ... to try to solve this problem at its roots," said senior delegate Hussein al-Sadr, a distant relative but a political opponent of the firebrand cleric. The cleric would meet the delegation, an aide said. In New York, predominantly Shi'ite Muslim Iran asked the United Nations to help stop the bloodshed in Najaf. The Vatican said it was prepared to mediate in the fighting. No Thanks. In fact...
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Resistance in the holy city has proven that the US won't allow democracy in Iraq
By Kamil Mahdi
THE GUARDIAN , London
Tuesday, Aug 17, 2004,Page 9
There is a certain entertainment value to it. I guess, having the same name as Tater's Tots has given Kamil a sense of self-importance / inflated ego destiny...
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Iraqis meeting to pick an interim national assembly in Baghdad said they would send a delegation to Najaf to try to convince Sadr to end a conflict that has killed hundreds and undermined the authority of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.
Nonononononono, wait a minute, they already TRIED the talking route. Enough. Have U.S. forces back off a bit, then send Iraqi commandos into the mosque to put a bullet into Sadr's forehead. Then drag his body outside, videotape it, and make it nice and clear that the same fate awaits any "leader" that is caught fomenting unrest. Period.
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Um, no, Sargeant First-Class Tyrone. He's a lifer and he takes good care of the LT :-)
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heh, heh... the article sounds sooo desperate. Like a child stamping his foot and throwing a tantrum that's not getting mommy's attention, it's clear that the pro-Sadar forces are going to have to deal with the fact that mommy's busy with the new baby and just isn't going to give attention to the antics like she used to.
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Our behavior in Najaf essentially concedes the global Mohammedan death cult's demand that its terrorists be allowed sanctuary in their pigsty "holy places."
At the same time, the Mo-heathens are under no obligation to recognize any kind of sanctuary in the holy places of others, as the much-cheered desecration of the Church of the Nativity and frequent attacks on synagogues attest. To the death cultists, our acquiesance to this demonic hypocricy is simply a sign of weakness, a concession of dhimmitude.
They are animals, and their supporters in the west are devils, not deserving of the air they breathe and the ground they occupy. This war will end only one way, with one side or the other completely exterminated. The Mohammedan savages and their sycophants leave us no choice. The sooner we recognize this the better.
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BTW, creatures like the hypocrite and terror-shill/liar Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR should be the first to go, followed quickly by any Guardianista or similar media beast or academic dhimmi-lord who is so foolish as to be caught in the same general area as a rope and a lamppost.
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they already TRIED the talking route
Different "they". Allawis govt already tried the talking route. The members of the convention - or some of them, at any rate - implicitly dont trust Allawi, and have to send their own guys to see what Sadr would agree to.
Not that I think its a good idea - I dont think bringing a guy who murdered a political adversary into a nascent democracy is a good thing. Besides, i dont think they can make a deal with Sadr - clearly the minimum govt position is Sadr leaving the shrine, but he WONT leave it till he as iron clad guarantees against being arrested in future, and the delegation from the convention cant give such guarantees.
I hope meanwhile the Iraqi army units are using the time for training, preparation, etc.
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The members of the convention - or some of them, at any rate - implicitly dont trust Allawi, and have to send their own guys to see what Sadr would agree to.
The crux of the matter here is that Sadr is in no position to agree on anything. Sadr is not the representative of the Shiites of Iraq; his only advantage is that he has armed followers that are willing to commit violence on his behalf. People like that are best taken down promptly and forcefully, without "negotiating" anything. The sooner people over there realize this, the sooner they can dispense with the idea of talks and get on with the task of removing this potential threat to Iraqi stability.
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The best outcome would be for the Shia negotiators to reject Tater's demands as unreasonable, Tater to be killed in the taking of the mosque and the mosque to remain unharmed.
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me 2 - oh, and all his thugs get dirtnaps too. They're so close to that cemetary, why procrastinate?
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The best outcome would be for the Shia negotiators to reject Tater's demands as unreasonable,..
That would be great, but can't be counted on to happen. Quite frankly, I would not be surprised at all if, in the event this attempt to negotiate fails, that even more negotiations will be attempted. A line has to be drawn somewhere, and it needs to be made clear that crossing that line WILL result in swift and decisive action, no matter what Sadr's thugs have done to the mosque he's holed up in. This also needs to be presented by the government to the Iraqi public and driven home that if anything happens to the mosque, it will be on Sadr's shoulders that all blame will be laid, and his head on which the hammer will fall.
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good news! Tater refused to meet with them.. Kill.Him.Now.
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Sounds to me like Tater wants the american and Iraqi forces to leave (and give Najaf back to his Iranian-backed tater-tots) before he will even talk.
I hope they are not considering giving in to that demand.
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