Saudi police killed a suspected terrorist and captured three others Tuesday in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah, west of Saudi Arabia, official sources said. A foreign ministry statement said the security forces captured one of the four suspects in the neighborhood of al-Jamia in central Jeddah and encircled the other three in a nearby house. "The gunmen opened fire at the security forces prompting them to return fire, killing one, wounding another while the third surrendered ... Two policemen were also injured in the clash," the statement said. It said police seized arms from the house, including automatic rifles and a large number of grenades and ammunition.
What, no escapes by "surrounded militants"?
The Saudi daily al-Riyadh also reported Tuesday police arrested three people wanted for security violations in the northern region of al-Qassim. The paper quoted security sources as saying the suspects surrendered without resistance after a car chase by police on the highway linking al-Qassim with the capital, Riyadh.
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Seems Saudi militants keep a BMW warmed up out back as SOP. Once the cops show it's a dash out the back door, slam the big sedan into gear and go off tearing down the hi-way. I'm thinking all four windows with AK barrels blarring and head scarves blowing in retreat.
An interesting look at how the jihad movement is recruiting:
Two years before he allegedly killed a Dutch filmmaker in the name of radical Islam, Mohammed Bouyeri volunteered at his local community center and was a promising member of the second generation of Moroccan immigrants to the Netherlands. His transformation from student to purported jihadi terrorist fits a pattern of young Muslims in Europe who are being recruited by Islamic militants - sometimes openly in the streets - and trained to carry out violent attacks against the West. Read the rest at the link.
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The Press keeps mentioning that he turned radical after the death of his mother from cancer. Only Muslims get the urge to kill others after a member of the family dies of an illness.
A U.S. federal court ruled Monday that Osama bin Laden's driver was entitled to a legal hearing on whether he is a prisoner of war - a landmark opinion that could prevent military trials of alleged enemy combatants held at Guantanamo Bay. The government said it would immediately seek a stay of that ruling and file an appeal. It was the first time a federal court halted legal proceedings before U.S. military commissions, resurrected from World War II, at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. No trials have been held, although tentative trial dates for four detainees had been scheduled.
A U.S. District Court judge in Washington halted the pretrial proceedings of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, 34, of Yemen, after his lawyers filed a petition. Hamdan - who is charged with conspiracy to commit war crimes, murder and terrorism and says that he never supported terrorism - was to be the first detainee tried, on Dec. 7. The judge rejected the U.S. government's contention that Hamdan and other detainees are not prisoners of war but enemy combatants, a classification affording fewer legal protections under the Geneva Conventions. Hamdan was declared an enemy combatant last month by a review tribunal during a hearing his lawyer was barred from. ``Unless and until a competent tribunal determines that petitioner is not entitled to protections afforded prisoners of war under Article 4 of the Geneva Convention ... of Aug. 12, 1949, he may not be tried by military commission for the offenses with which he is charged,'' U.S. District Judge James Robertson said. ``There is nothing in this record to suggest that a competent tribunal has determined that Hamdan is not a prisoner of war under the Geneva Conventions.''
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Of course, a Bill Clinton appointed judge.
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"He added that the judge's ruling ``has put terrorism on the same legal footing as legitimate methods of waging war."
-Exactly right. If this is allowed to stand, we're back to fighting terrorism with a law-enforcement model
Thats not how I read it. Means terrism is a form of warfare.
Since "cut-aways" are the only way to avoid nuclear response for a nuclear nation, expect to see more terrorism if we don't come down like a bag of hammers against terrorists, and states we suspect sponsor them.
hint hint, China is not the friend is seems to be.
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One more reason Specter must not be chairman; he'd continue approving judges like this if Hildebeast wins in '08 but the trunks keep the senate.
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The judge rejected the U.S. government's contention that Hamdan and other detainees are not prisoners of war but enemy combatants, a classification affording fewer legal protections under the Geneva Conventions.
WTF??? Was this Hamdan guy a member of some country's armed forces? Was he caught wearing a uniform of some country's armed forces? No? The he's not a prisoner of war. For the thousandth time, the Geneva Conventions only apply if both parties abide by it. How difficult is this to understand???????
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The bad guys aren't leaving Guantanamo any time soon. If the military needs to jump through a few more legal hoops before certain individuals can be evaluated for release, I don't have a problem with that. It takes years and years for a case to wind its way up to the Supreme Court... and back down again when the SC refuses to hear it. Minds may be changed if the process takes long enough, and in the meantime they can just keep themselves busy as they have been: praying 5x/day and masturbating at their female guards. Not a lifestyle that appeals to me, but who am I to judge?
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The Republicans need to start hammering Clintion appointees with every legal maneuver they can, until they either learn to follow the Constitution or they leave the government. We have way too many judges more interested in making law than in applying it.
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I wonder if there is a legal way to stop this nonsense? These people were captured on a battlefield, not robbing the 7-11. And they are NOT U.S. citizens. How are they even remotely protected by the constitution? They are trying to drag the government into some prolonged legal battle over the detainees. Maybe we should lock up the lawyers as accessory to commit terrorists acts against the U.S.? Many of those in detention have indicated that that is exactly what they will be doing if released. Anyone forgot that Dutch-Arab that was released and told us we could use his signed promise as âtoilet paper?â Now we have lawyers and judges using U.S. and international laws as toilet paper to help these terrorists? Shame shame shame!
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Yes, CS there is a way, but it requires your Congressmen to have a fraction of the huevos that any marine, soldier or airman is demonstrating today. The Constitution gives Congress the power to impeach judges for bad behavior. What is bad behavior? If you listen to the judges and lawyer, they claim the authority to define it. However that is opinion not fact. Congress can by acting, impeaching, define what bad behavior is. Definition by precedent. In time of war, per Senate Joint Resolution 23 Congress could act to stop this behavior right in its tracks.
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Suspected militants have beheaded an elderly man, the second Buddhist decapitated in a week, and shot dead two Buddhist workers in southern Thailand in revenge for the October deaths of 85 Muslim protesters. The growing number of apparent revenge killings prompted a leading Islamic cleric to urge Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra to apologise to families of the dead protesters, most of whom died of suffocation in army custody. But Mr Thaksin, who has said he regretted the deaths, responded by blasting his own officials for delaying extra payments to officials tackling the unrest in the largely Muslim and relatively poor region and to teachers.
The latest victim in more than 10 months of violence in the region was a 60-year-old rubber tapper, whose body and severed head were found in a plantation hut in Narathiwat province. Beside the corpse were two handwritten notes saying the beheading was intended to avenge the Muslim protesters, 78 of whom died in overcrowded army trucks after a demonstration outside Narathiwat's Tak Bai police station, police said. "This is trivial compared to the killings of the innocents at Tak Bai," one officer quoted the note as saying.
A week ago, the severed head and body of a Buddhist village leader in another part of Narathiwat were found two kilometres apart with a similar note of revenge. A Buddhist couple was shot dead by gunmen on a motorcycle while they were riding to work in neighbouring Yala province on Tuesday, police said. At least 22 people, almost all of them Buddhists, have been killed since the October 25 Tak Bai deaths, which led to warnings from Muslim clerics and analysts that the "massacre" could trigger reprisal attacks. Abdulrahman Abdulsahad, chairman of Narathiwat's provincial Islamic council, suggested an apology from Mr Thaksin could soothe Muslim outrage.
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Gunmen kidnapped an Italian aid worker today on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao and have demanded a ransom, the army said. Two Filipino colleagues of Andrea Cienosterone, a project director for Italian non-government organisation Movimondo, were also abducted but later released with the ransom demand for 300,000 pesos ($US5,300), said Lieutenant-General Alberto Braganza, the island's military commander. He said the three were taken at gunpoint by four men in Lanao del Norte province. "We're still checking the ransom demand," Lieutenant-General Braganza said, ordering government troops to try to find the Italian and his kidnappers.
An army spokesman said Ms Cienosterone was abducted by a group of bandits whose leader was a close relative of a senior leader of a Muslim separatist group in Lanao del Norte. Eid Kabalu, a spokesman for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), said rebel forces would cooperate with the government to secure Ms Cienosterone's release. "We learned about the kidnapping and our forces in the area were ordered to recover him," he told Reuters.
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gawd , MILF and gunman in same paragraph confuses my poor little mind ..
Where im from MILF means something different than Moron Islamic Liberation Front
A second Buddhist man has been beheaded in southern Thailand in apparent revenge for the deaths of 78 Muslims who died last month after a riot protest. The man, a 60-year-old rubber tapper, was found in Narathiwat province. Tensions are high in the region following last month's protest, in which Muslim demonstrators suffocated in army trucks after being arrested. The army said on Tuesday it was investigating a report that up to 40 protesters were still unaccounted for.
Police said notes were found by the rubber tapper's corpse, indicating that the man was killed in revenge for the deaths following the protest, which took place in the town of Takbai in Narathiwat. "This is trivial compared to the killings of the innocents at Takbai," a police officer quoted one of the notes as saying. The beheading is the second such killing in a week. The remains of a Buddhist village leader were found in Narathiwat province on 2 November. Earlier on Tuesday a Buddhist couple was killed by a gunman riding on a motorbike in nearby Yala province. Authorities say reprisal attacks by suspected Muslim militants have killed at least 20 state officials and Buddhist civilians since the Takbai protest.
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Three teenagers were killed on Saturday and five youths were wounded when a hand grenade they were playing with exploded in northern Lebanon, security officials said. The officials, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said the grenade went off in an internet cafe in the port city of Tripoli. The three boys killed, ages 15 to 18, died instantly and their bodies were taken with the five wounded to a hospital, the officials said. Security forces sealed off the area and were investigating who had brought the hand grenade into the shop.
From Jihad Unspun
As the Fallujah show down continues, reports coming in the late hours and early this morning clearly indicate that yesterdays opening offensive by US and Iraqi forces, dubbed Allawi's Army, was no cakewalk. Thirty six American soldiers were captured, American supply lines attacked, over a hundred "guardsmen" surrender to Mujahideen, several American aircrafts downed and Mujahideen pushed US forces back in two main entry positions. .... Mujahideen captured 36 Americans in the "Industrial neighborhood" however both Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabyia refused to publish images of the captives, saying that they feared they would be prohibited from reporting from inside Iraq. Mujahideen also have targeted American vital supply lines, destroying 34 fuel tankers in Fallujah and Taji.
Occupation casualties based on eyewitness accounts, Mujahideen reports and calculations of military personnel lost when vehicles were destroyed tally an estimated 56 American soldiers killed. In addition, four aircraft were shot down, and two Abrams tanks were destroyed and in a bazaar turn of events, over 100 Iraqi national guards turn themselves in to the Mujahideen after seeing the chaos of the American units.
The 36 Americans that were captured in Industrial neighborhood yesterday were on board three tanks and three armored jeeps but the Mujahideen successfully encircled them, isolating them from the rest of their column. The Mujahideen told Islam memo correspondent that they were surprised at how quickly the Americans surrendered without a fight. The Mujahideen attributed the quick surrender to the state of fear and disarray that has dominated the American occupiers generally all throughout Iraq in general and particularly in hot spots such as Fallujah, Samaara, and Qaim. Many Marines that are now involved in the Fallujah attack have no combat experience and this is most likely also a contributing factor.
Leaders of the Council of Mujahideen of Fallujah have announced that as a part of their information struggle against the US occupation troops, Resistance fighters had filmed occupation prisoners being held by the Resistance inside Fallujah. The prisoners who were filmed numbered 36 and included some US women soldiers. All were captured in Fallujah's industrial zone Monday morning. Abu Asad, President of the Council of Mujahideen of Fallujah, announced to Mafkarat al-Islam's correspondent that after filming the American prisoners, they gave the film to the al-Jazeera and al-'Arabiyah satellite TV stations. The two stations, however, refused to broadcast the tape for "security reasons." In fact they were afraid of American reprisals against the their stations if they were to broadcast the videotapes, as previously happened to al-Jazeera after they showed film of US prisoners at the start of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. At that time, al-Jazeera's internet website was knocked off the internet for several days, an incident of "hacking" that the station in fact blames on "action taken by major countries". Regardless of their reasons, this is a deviation for both networks who claim to be impartial news agencies. It is expected that visuals will be posted to the web in coming days.
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In news reports in throughout Tuesday and late Tuesday evening, JUS [Jihad Unspun] sources report that so far everything is going easy for the Fallujah's Mujahideen and Tuesday went according to plan as the battle for the Sunni heartland went into its second day.
Early Tuesday, the first wave of approximately 3000 occupation troops, made their way through four entry points in the outlying neighborhoods of ash-Shahadah, al-Jowlan, Jabeel and al-Askari. The front line troops are made up of mostly "Allawi" army and troops advanced under the cover of US bombers. Meanwhile, the Mujahideen kept to their battle plan by staying fluid and drawing forces towards the centre of the city. Taking to the rooftops of buildings and firing automatic rifles; RPG's and anti Tanks rockets, the Mujahideen worked in small mobile units Tuesday, that allowed them to regroup quickly to engage from different positions. US snipers took to rooftops, in an effort to make it diffcult for Mujahideen to move on the ground. Contrary to mainstream news reports, Fallujah Mujahideen say that occupation forces have not reached central Fallujah.
Small exchanges of gunfire were pretty much the order of the day, with each side engaging the other in an effort to pick off their opponents. As of early Wednesday morning, American sources are reporting 15 Mujahideen killed and the Mujahideen sources are reporting 50 Americans killed.
The battle strategy the Mujahideen are engaging is to draw as many occupation forces into the centre of the city. As occupation forces advance further in, more troops will move forward until there is a high concentration in the city centre, with nowhere to go. Our sources tell us that hundreds of car bombs, house bombs and IED's have been prepared to unleash on the advancing forces once they are concentrated within the confines of Fallujah central. There are reports that vehicles are being purchased throughout Iraq at high prices that will be used to form a rear line to come in behind US postions once the battle in the city centre is underway. Sources close to the Mujahideen say the fireworks are expected to begin around Eid. This parallels the statement "there will be victory in coming days" issued by Tawheed wal Jihad on Monday.
While US troops were still trying to get their bearings inside unfamiliar territory fighting an urban, innovative enemy that is causing them a great deal of frustration, Tuesday came and went. This style of warfare is not one the US excels at but it is exactly the jihad envisioned by the Mujahideen. In the latest report in, sources say that the Mujahideen remain in high spirits, with their plans are proceeding on point.
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These clowns must use Crack as suppositories.
There are reports that vehicles are being purchased throughout Iraq at high prices that will be used to form a rear line to come in behind US postions once the battle in the city centre is underway.
The place is surrounded you ain't bringing squat. Youh had better bring a funeral shroud with you if you plan on it. No one is getting in or out.
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Sock and SOG, the title of the article is correct. Their plan is for a humiliating defeat at the hands of the American forces so they can seethe more.
US forces backed by Iraqi troops surged into the heart of Falluja overnight, taking a grip on Iraq's most rebellious city after a day of intense street-to-street combat. US tanks and armoured personnel carriers operating in the northern part of the city came under fierce assault from rebels firing rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles after sunset, but in other areas large-scale fighting died down after dark. There was the occasional blast of mortar fire, and US war planes targeted some buildings, but residents and a Reuters correspondent said heavy bombardments and explosions had eased. Some US tanks were seen pulling back from central areas of the city for the night. Others remained in place.
An American soldier wounded in Falluja said he had seen two of his colleagues killed. "A buddy of mine and another soldier were killed and I have seen about 50 other wounded (US) soldiers since the fighting began," he told Reuters while awaiting medical evacuation. He declined to give his name. The Reuters correspondent saw about five wounded soldiers being flown out by helicopter and a US military ambulance driver also said he had witnessed many casualties. Among the Iraqis killed was a 9-year-old boy, severely injured by shrapnel in the abdomen when his home was bombarded by US jets overnight. His parents were unable to get him to hospital and he died hours later of blood loss, they said.
As battles raged in Falluja, insurgents hit back elsewhere with attacks on police stations in Baquba and Baghdad, fighting in Ramadi and a mortar attack in the northern city of Mosul. But in Baquba, the official in charge of the main morgue denied earlier reports that 45 were killed in the attacks claimed by al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. He said he had not dealt with any dead from the attacks.
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Things must really be going badly for the terrorists if the only person the news people can get to comment is a FRENCH "military strategists".
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What do the frogs know about victory, symbolic or otherwise? If we kill 1,000 or more of these terrorists, their population is reduced as is the incentive to enlist. We simply have to keep kiling them until they're all gone through death or deconversion, their choice. It's sort of like what we did in our symbolic victory over Germany in WWII. It takes a while until it sinks in for the true belivers so we just keep killing them until it does. That's how things get resolved, frog.
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"It may not take long to capture the city, but nothing will have been resolved. It will be a symbolic victory,"
This line is recycled from 1940.
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Block by block, street by street, US Marines and Army troops Tuesday began seizing control of Fallujah, making unexpected gains against limited resistance, despite some chaotic delays entering the city. Despite the steady rumble of fighting, from frequent artillery and rocket explosions, to bursts of small arms fire across the city, US forces entered a veritable ghost town. The main assault came Monday evening from six battalions arrayed at separate points along the northern edge of the city. Those from the northeast made swift headway, while resistance was much heavier in the northwestern Jolan district. A quicker-than-expected capture of Fallujah would advance the US objectives of denying the rebels one of their bases of operation and pacifying the city ahead of January elections.
By nightfall in Fallujah, the Associated Press reported three US soldiers killed Tuesday; insurgent and civilian casualty figures remain unknown. The 1st Battalion 3rd Marines, pushed all the way to the main east-west road that bisects Fallujah - a line that commanders thought might take four days to reach. "So we made it," says a surprised Carlos Cabezasrojas, a sweating lance corporal from Secaucus, N.J., as his Bravo Company launched its final attack of the day. "I got my confirmed kill, too." That "kill" came as Bravo Company pushed south. He spotted two men who fired rocket propelled grenades (RPGs) and then tried to bury an explosive device. "I got the first one," says Corporal Cabezasrojas, kneeling with his M-16 rifle at the edge of the farthest point of advance. "The whole squad got the second."
The relative ease of advance Tuesday contrasted sharply with the barrages that met US forces when they breached the city limits overnight Monday. The northeast sector penetrated by the 1-3 Marines yielded more stray dogs than armed insurgents. But bold incidents throughout the day underscore that the 3,000 insurgents here are not a spent force. Expecting and finding countless explosive devices and booby traps, American units took few chances as they moved methodically through the city. Every vehicle is treated as a potential car bomb; every person a possible enemy. Approval even came over the radio net to shoot dogs, with shotguns, to prevent them from being rigged with explosives.
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"The whole squad got the second."
It's so much fun to gang up. Unfair, but fun and the key to winning.
Prime Minister Iyad Allawi appealed to militants in Fallujah to lay down their weapons and allow Iraqi forces to enter the rebel enclave peacefully, as the army vowed to press ahead with the fight. Allawi also appointed a temporary military governor for the vast western Al-Anbar province which includes Fallujah and Ramadi as he sought to reach out to powerful Sunni Muslim tribal leaders in the restive area. He later met in Baghdad with a group of Sunni and Shiite clerics for dinner. "Iraqi military forces are ready to enter Fallujah peacefully and assert their authority after armed men and terrorists lay down their weapons," his spokesman Thaer al-Naqib said, reading a statement by Allawi. "A peaceful solution is possible even if the fighting is ongoing."
Naqib said that Allawi was "determined to involve all elements of Iraqi society in the political process and to build a solid democratic regime." He said the powerful al-Dulaimi tribe in Anbar would declare its support for the government very soon. Allawi, a secular Shiite, was also in contact with the Anbar members of the large Al-Shamar tribe and they too were "responsive and very cooperative and declared their complete support of the government," added Naqib. Iraq 's President Ghazi al-Yawar, who has been critical in the past of the military option to deal with Fallujah, hails from the same tribe.
Amid the talk, the US military closed in on the centre of Fallujah less than 24 hours after launching the massive operation to retake it from rebel hands, claiming it was now in control of one third of the city. Sunni and Shiite figures have condemned the assault, with one Sunni political party quitting the government in protest and the most influential religious Sunni group in Iraq calling for a boycott of the upcoming elections. The Sunni department chief at the religious affairs ministry asked Allawi to stop the fighting for four to five hours so wounded civilians could be evacuated. "You are responsible for their lives in front of God," Sheikh Adnan al-Dulaimi told Allawi during a dinner meeting with the prime minister.
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Prime Minister Iyad Allawi appealed to militants in Fallujah to lay down their weapons and allow Iraqi forces to enter the rebel enclave peacefully, as the army vowed to press ahead with the fight.
Why is this guy doing this? Didn't Allawi himself say that he was convinced that the rebels couldn't be expected to be reasonable and lay down their weapons? Well the battle is on, so just carry it out to its logical conclusion. If rebels don't surrender on their own without having to be prompted, then they'll be ground down into a fine powder. Future "insurgents" might give a little more thought to their career paths, and it won't be necessary to expend precious dinars clothing or feeding the current crop - they'll be dead, requiring only a one-time burial expense.
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personally i like Iyad Allawi 's style . He plays the arab market aswell as western , its whats needed in this hot bed .. Basically , reading between the lines , he's saying 'u all in Fallujah are fooked , so deal with it , cos I am , fuckwits ' and thats what arabs know best ....
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Allawi spends so much time appealing, begging and pleading,...
I would disagree. Suggesting the jihadis surrender while killing them like rats at the dump shows both magnanimity and strength. Allawi has a tough job; a combination of coalition building, ass-kicking and jawing. I took the rumor that he was executing captured foreign terrs with his own hand, sadly untrue, to be a good sign.
Two Pakistani soldiers and six suspected Al Qaeda militants were killed as security forces launched a fresh offensive against the ultras in the South Waziristan region bordering Afghanistan today. Today's offensive coincides with the visit of US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage to hold talks with top leadership, in the first high-level interaction between the US and Pakistan after President George W Bush's re-election.
The casualties took place when the security force backed by helicopter gunships launched a major offensive against the Al Qaeda militants, Director General Inter-Services Public Relations Major General Shaukat Sultan said. The operation was launched after the militants fired rockets at the military positions last night in Wana, the headquarters of South Waziristan. The army has been unsuccessfully trying to persuade tribesmen protecting several hundred suspected foreign militants to hand them over for "registration". Instead, the militants have been digging in, staging lightning strikes against the military. They accuse the security forces of fighting against them on behalf of the Americans who are continuing to mount anti-Taliban operations across the rugged border in Afghanistan.
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Car bombs at two Baghdad churches and outside a hospital treating the victims of those attacks have killed at least eight people and wounded dozens as a wave of blasts struck the Iraqi capital. A car bomb exploded outside St George's Catholic church in southern Baghdad just before 6.30pm (1530 GMT), followed minutes later by a second outside St Matthew's church. Victims from both blasts, some carried by injured friends or relatives in torn and bloodstained clothes, were rushed to Yarmuk hospital. A doctor said at least three people were killed and 40 injured.
A few hours later, a car bomber ploughed into four police cars parked outside the hospital entrance, killing at least five policemen, police said. Several more explosions echoed across the city later in the night, but there was no immediate word on casualties. The wave of bombings swept Baghdad as US marines began their full-scale offensive to capture the besieged city of Falluja, 50km west of the capital.
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Warplanes have bombed a government clinic in the centre of Falluja as US ground forces engaged in pitched battles with fighters defending the city. Residents said the one-storey Popular Clinic which had been receiving wounded anti-US fighters and civilians was hit overnight as US-led forces pressed into the city. The residents said on Tuesday it was impossible to reach the clinic because of heavy bombing and US tanks in the area. The clinic's telephones were no longer working. An Iraqi journalist, Abu Bakr al-Dulaimi, told Aljazeera that the overnight bombings which continued for more than 10 hours targeted everything in the city including the hospital, houses as well as cars. Al-Dulaimi said the hospital's staff, doctors and patients, have all fallen victim to the assault. He said such fierce bombings have not been witnessed since the Iran-Iraq war.
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lol! nice graphic Fred!
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He said such fierce bombings have not been witnessed since the Iran-Iraq war.
So I guess the little invasion thingy last year wasn't nearly as destructive as the LLL claim?
(Love the pic.)
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He said such fierce bombings have not been witnessed since the Iran-Iraq war.
Good. And these rebels should keep in mind: get us really mad, and we are capable of more. WAY more.
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It looks like a civilian version of the Russian LCE vest. They can be bought pretty cheaply in the parts of the world where the AK is king. And on ebay too...
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One of the Marines got a clean melon shot on the guy in the background. The Marines do not spray-and-pray, unlike the jiihadis. Good shooting, fellahs.
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I can't click the link 'cuz I'm at work. Sounds pretty bad though. Hope we can get more pictures like this up on the web to provide a nice counterpoint to the jihadi beheading videos.
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Oh sorry.
Some guy said he got it off an AP newswire feed.
I asked for more, but was unable to procure anymore.
Said the guy worked for a US newspaper, but I didn't find out if he was embedded westerner or arab contract photojournalist.
What really struck me is how NEW that vest looks.
Also, these guys actually have shoes and clothing in decent condition.
Also, I think that black thing is the jihadis balaclava and some US/Iraqi soldier removed it after he was shot. Notice the matter lying past the black cloth.
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Perhaps I better explain. There was a photo of a dead American soldier on one of the Islamonazi sites (discovered via LGF), with a comment that said "sleeping on the job?". I've been waiting for payback, and two jihadis in one shot is more than I could have hoped for. More please. And faster.
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Enemy resistance in Fallujah is starting to collapse, with US forces deep inside the city and fighters pulling back to their ultimate stronghold in the Jolan district. There is no more room to retreat with the Euphrates to the west and American forces on every side.
Troops have been advancing towards the center, fighting insurgents armed with rifles and mortars street by street. Early on Tuesday the US-led troops reached a key objective early -- a mosque in the north part of Falluja. ... The BBC's Paul Wood, embedded with US soldiers - and whose reporting is subject to military restrictions - says US-led forces reached their first major objective early on Tuesday, when they surrounded al-Hidra mosque in the northern parts of Falluja. The US military said the building was being used as an arms depot and a meeting point for the leaders of the insurgency. Our correspondent says Iraqi forces fighting alongside US marines will storm it.
Earlier, a US tank commander said guerrillas were putting up a strong fight in the north-western Jolan district. "These people are hardcore," Capt Robert Bodisch told Reuters news agency. "A man pulled out from behind a wall and fired an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) at my tank. I have to get another tank to go back in there."
Good luck, good hunting, and come home safe, Cap'n Bodisch.
Go read the full article, which includes discussion of a possible follow-up attach in Ramadi.
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I don't think they'll catch many big fish but this will take out the terrorists central staging point, get a ton of weapons out of their hands, kill a ton of potential suicide bombers, and disrupt their operations.
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If you go the the BBC and read the "readers comments" in the have your say/talk back section. One assclown was decrying the "military restrictions" placed on the BBC reporter. Plenty of outright rooting for the bad guy's. Some kid out to locate this assclown reporter and give him a knuckle snadwich just for GP.
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No organized resitance means an unorganized enemy - no MLR to speak of. It doesn't mean that they are not in there. They will need to sweep this city several times.
Ya don't say? Palestinians slam outburst, plot claims. Wife has final say on leader's treatment. I WANT EVERY NICKEL!!! Palestinians coming to terms with the dying days of Yasser Arafat heaped scorn on his wife Suha yesterday, enraged that the person they love least is making a tawdry spectacle of their historic leader's descent. SCREW THEM!!! I WANT THOSE ACCOUNT NUMBERS, YOU SLOB!!! WAKE UP!!! NO ONE ROOM HOVEL IN RAMALLAH FOR ME!!!
In what appears an almost total miscalculation of her hold over Palestinians, the 41-year-old, Paris-residing wife of the critically ill Arafat erupted in a telephone screed aired live on Al-Jazeera TV early yesterday, accusing the interim Palestinian leaders of a plot to overthrow her husband even as he fights for life. "Let it be known to the honest Palestinians that a bunch of those who want to inherit are coming to Paris," she shouted, referring to a visiting Palestinian government delegation. "I tell you they are trying to bury Abu Ammar alive," she said in Arabic, addressing her husband by nickname. "He is all right, and he is going home." THEY INHERIT NOTHING!!! IF THEY TRY, I'LL RIP THEIR LUNGS OUT!!!IT'S MINE!!! ALL MINE!!!
Palestinian leaders Mahmoud Abbas and Ahmed Qureia, Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath and Parliament Speaker Rauhi Fattouh drove straight from the airport in a nine-car convoy to a Paris hotel a few kilometres from the hospital where they hoped to see Arafat today. The delegation also is expected to meet with French officials in a bid to cut through the fog of conflicting reports on the status of the 75-year-old leader. All together everybody..."He's dead, Jim." Continued on Page 49
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Beautiful comments inserted. On the serious side, HERE is a true case of humiliation, the humiliation of all Palestinians everywhere. PA accounting methods wouldn't be acceptable down at your local Little League. And they want to be in the big leagues? The PA and PLO under Arafat has just been some kind of con game. The wife, the ministers, the French behind the scenes. On support, off support, induced coma, not induced. These folks think they can start a real country with real institutions? Don't even tell me of Palestinian mental scars. Or Hamas. Or Islamic Jihad. Or Martyrs Brigade. Or PFLP. I'm laughing at and crying at the same time for these poor stupid suckers.
W: Let them sort it out. Sharon: Can you just seal Gaza and WB for the next 6 months?
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For a time, she counted Hillary Clinton among her friends....
Boy, that speaks volumes! We will remember that in '08 if the Hildabeast makes her move with the Dems. By that time, Suha should be big enough to burn diesel.
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Ima catchering up with abu
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I'm confused, is Suha gonna be the new official Rantburg fat lady graphic?
Dodging bullets from the fighting in Fallujah's neighborhoods, U.S. troops laid cables, built toilets and settled in at the city's train station Tuesday, transforming it into a new forward base hours after U.S. and Iraqi forces captured it from insurgents. The night before, Marines launched their assault on the station, located in the desert just north of the city. Forces crept forward across the sand in tanks and armored personnel carriers to within 200 yards of the station's empty loading platforms — then opened fire with a barrage of tank rounds and .50 caliber machine-gun fire. The fight lasted hours, and Iraqi forces secured the station by midnight. A handful of U.S. commanders began moving in early Tuesday under a cold drizzle, and by dawn troops were lounging in chairs, drinking coffee and blinking under a warm sun in a station littered with shrapnel and shards of concrete. "It feels good to be here. I feel like we've really done something," said Corp. Keith Sharp, of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines. "The nicest thing is sitting and thinking about going back home," said the 23-year old from Gerber, Calif., as he ate rations. "And I've only been shot at once."
Several hundred yards away, U.S. Army and Marine troops were battling in Fallujah's warren of streets and alleys, carrying out the main thrust on a major offensive to wrest the city from the control of Sunni Muslim insurgents. Insurgents did not appear to put up great resistance at the railway station, firing about a half-dozen rocket-propelled grenades at the armored vehicles — sending Marines diving for cover but injuring none. Officers said they believed few rebels were in the buildings. On Tuesday, U.S. forces marched suspected insurgents into an abandoned waiting room at the one-time railroad station. "Stand up. Now," Marines shouted at the blindfolded men who flinched from their captors.
Flinch and be damned. We haven't cut anybody's head off, have we?
Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is dead, senior Palestinian political sources said on Tuesday. The information from sources close to Arafat could not immediately be confirmed. "He is dead," one of the sources close to Arafat said in Paris, where Arafat has been lying in a coma at a French hospital. Officials in the West Bank said they had not been informed that Arafat was dead.
Fox News sez not comfirmed yet, but may be within hours.
DEBKA: Palestinians senior sources in Paris report Yasser Arafat is dead. Palestinian leader is said to have expired minutes after Palestinian PM Qureia visited him at Percy hospital in Paris.
Fox News: Palestinian sources say plug will be pulled soon.
Arafat Alive, on Life-Support - Palestinian Minister
Yasser Arafat is alive in a French hospital and no decision has been made to take him off life-support, a Palestinian cabinet minister said on Tuesday. "His state has worsened last night but there is no sign of ... death of any of his vital parts," Nabil Shaath told CNN from Paris. "We are not really believers in euthanasia ... It is out of the question that anyone will take any decision regarding life-support for him."
"In fact, he's actually getting better. He's got a meeting scheduled this afternoon with General Franco..."
HEALTH STATUS: Yasser Arafat's condition worsened overnight; an aide said he is suffering from bleeding in the brain. Additional: Yasser Arafat was still alive and efforts are being made by his French doctors to stop the haemorrhaging of his brain, negotiations minister Saeb Erakat told reporters today. "All efforts are being made by our friends the French doctors to relieve this haemorrhaging," Mr Erakat said at the press conference, translating into English an announcement by the head of Arafat's office, Tayeb Abdel Rahim.
Better put a drain in, I recommend a Black & Decker drill with a 1/2 inch bit.
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The Fat Lady's been waiting for this...
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And it's off to the pub we go.. hurrah!
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Fox just said that they will pull the plug soon. I propose a larger fat lady than ususal. Time for a new graphic.
So if he's brain dead they could keep him alive on life support for the next 20 years????
In the name of Yasser, I declare the Intifada over! Yasser, if you don't agree just say so!
In the name of Yasser, we declare that Israel has the right to exist! Say something, yasser! no objections? Great!
Wonder if we'll ever find out how much he stole.. is it really only $500 million? Is it $6 billion? Who will get it?
Suha? She hasn't lived with him for 4 years....
What are the odds I could claim to be a long lost lovechild and get a mill or two?
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Arafat is a thug and the god father of all terrorism. His PFLP and Black September groups trained all the terrorists of the 70's which spawned this great mob of crazies we have now.
I want to throw up everytime BBC, CNN or ABC come on and talk about Arafat's last hours.......I would be dancing on the anchor desk and throwing confetti.
His body should be cut in little pieces and scattered in the Negev. Can't use him for shark bait..professional courtesy.
Maybe we'll actually have a chance for a real peace process?
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So, Steve or anyone else in the medical profession: is "bleeding in the brain" an effect of AIDS, or associated with it?
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I love the dog fight between Suha and the Fatah gang. I bet she is found floating in the Sein soon. Heck they might whack her at the funeral! We are talking about a butt-load of cash here.
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I want to throw up everytime BBC, CNN or ABC come on and talk about Arafat's last hours.......I would be dancing on the anchor desk and throwing confetti.
Anybody other than me remember a stand-up comic named Moms Mabley? Anyway, one of her signature riffs was a series of one-liner put-downs of her deceased husband. I remember her appearing on Dick Cavett or some such show once, and there was an exchange kind of like this:
MOMS: [one-liner trashing the dead guy]
CAVETT: But, Moms, don't you have anything good to say about the dead?
MOMS: He's dead. That's good.
Let that be Arafat's epitaph.
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"Getcher hands out of yer lap, Luther! You'll go crazy!"
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Soha, Suha, Sofa..also bears an uncanny resemblence to "Boy George." Could there be something going on there?
So if he's brain dead they could keep him alive on life support for the next 20 years????
Indeed, this may be Israel's greatest fear. The PLO might wax and varnish him like Stalin so as to keep his memory alive far longer than many of us would care to imagine. Merely one more reason to blow straight out of the sky, whatever plane carries his body back to wherever.
However, let us not mince words, SOG475 has hit the nailhead:
Arafat is a thug and the god father of all terrorism. His PFLP and Black September groups trained all the terrorists of the 70's which spawned this great mob of crazies we have now. I want to throw up everytime BBC, CNN or ABC come on and talk about Arafat's last hours.......I would be dancing on the anchor desk and throwing confetti. His body should be cut in little pieces and scattered in the Negev. Can't use him for shark bait..professional courtesy. Maybe we'll actually have a chance for a real peace process?
For all of the above reasons, I am currently mixing and hoisting in Israel's general direction, Martinis that are dry enough to make you fart dust.
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There was a guy in a village that I used to live in that drank so much that he had to be on life support. He stayed on that for weeks, but he steadily went away. As a courtesy to the family I visited him. Pretty depressing seeing a dead guy on a ventilator. Eventually the family pulled the plug. I think that the PA is buying time before they pull the plug. I do not think that even the French will let the charade go too long.
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TV sez he "slipped deeper into a coma". I translate: they're now storing him UNDER the bed.
Two security forces and a Muslim gunman were killed in a clash in western Algeria in the latest violence in the Arab country, reports said Tuesday. The French-language daily Liberte quoted security sources as saying a local police patrol clashed with a group of gunmen in the province of Ghlisan, 400 kilometers (250 miles) west of Algiers, Monday night, resulting in the killing of two policemen and a militant. In another incident, army troops exchanged fire with Muslim gunmen in the region of al-Nasiriya, east of Algiers last week, without causing casualties. But the army was able to dismantle road bombs and explosive charges planted by the militants in the area, security sources said.
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The Indian army says it has captured key rebel bases of a major separatist group in the north-east of the country. The temporary headquarters of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) bordering Burma in the remote Indian state of Manipur has been seized, an army spokesman said. The army began a major offensive against the rebel bases last month. The north-east of India is home to many groups who often cross back and forth into neighbouring countries. The PLA is the main target of the ongoing offensive in which 6000 soldiers are believed to be involved.
An Indian army spokesman said explosives, ammunition, food and computer equipment had been recovered from what the army suspects was the PLA's temporary headquarters. "This is a major blow to the group," spokesman Major Santanu Dev Goswami told the BBC. He said that the rebels had fled from the bases and "some may have crossed the border into other states". Burma had stationed troops along its side of the border to prevent the rebels from escaping. So far, the action in Manipur has led to the deaths of two Indian soldiers and 20 rebels, Major Goswami said. The army had also captured 59 rebels, he added. About 40 different rebel groups exist in the north-east of India, with many demanding independence for the states they are based in.
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Yasser Arafat may have only hours to live, a Palestinian source said after Palestinian leaders discussed the president's health Tuesday with doctors who are treating him at a French military hospital. "They spent about one hour with the French doctors and heard a detailed report on his medical condition. He is not dead but we are counting the hours," the source said. Quick, the buzzards are hungry!!!
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SWIFT codes...check
Account numbers...check
Confirmation codes...check
OK, pull the tubes.
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...Trying to remember where it was that somebody said this whole thing was starting to resemble a cross between the Dead Parrot sketch and 'Weekend At Bernie's"...
Mike
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Jeepers, per the posts that follow this one I learn that arafat is in a French Army Hospital. Yikes! And an Army Training Hospital at that.
This was the best the French could do? Obviously doesn't pay to be their friend, either.
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Hey, I have a question: When they funally bury the old bastard (in that dump of a Gaza cemetery, for preference), is the headstone gonna be shaped like a urinal? I know lots of IDF guys would visit if it was...
A car bomb exploded outside the emergency unit of one of Baghdad's main hospitals in the southwest of the Iraqi capital causing an unknown number of victims, an official at the Yarmuk hospital said. "A car bomb exploded at the gate of the emergency department, there were a lot of people wounded and dead," the official told AFP. Patients, staff and guards were among the victims, said the official, who declined to give his name. Just hours early, Yarmuk hospital received three dead and 45 wounded after suspected car bombs exploded just minutes apart outside two churches in Baghdad. I'm wondering how much press this piece of barabrity will get.
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This just makes me want to be irrational and lash out.. WHY are these evil monsters targeting their own? A Hospital WTF? That ain't the way to make friends and influence people. So sad.
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They target their own when they can't target Americans. They know our domestic political opposition (in other words, the press) will blame our military for allowing the bombing, not the bad guys for doing the bombing, so it is a win-win for the bad guys.
And attacking hospitals are a communist trick dating back to WWII, when volunteer Kosomol units would ski to rear areas and attck soft targets like German field hospitals. It has a strong negative impact of morale when aid stations/hospitals get hit. The Viet Cong during Viet Nam routinely attacked medical aid stations.
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We need to understand that victory in Fallujah will not end the terrorist action. We will have to reclease Samarra and clease and reclease Ramadi and a few other places.
From Haaretz flash: "13:15 Palestinian official: Arafat`s organs functioning on stop-and-go... it`s a matter of time"
And from NDTV: Ailing Palestinian leader Yasser Araft's condition worsened overnight, hospital officials said today. They also said the coma he has been in since Wednesday has deepened. "President Yasser Arafat's health has worsened during the night. His coma, that had lead to his admission to the intensive care unit, became deeper this morning," said General Christian Estripeau, spokesman for the Percy Military Training Hospital outside Paris. He said the deterioration in the Palestinian leaders condition marks a significant stage and that the prognosis was uncertain. (AP)
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The condition of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat deteriorated overnight and he is now decomposing in a deeper coma, the spokesman for the French army medical service said. "The state of health of president Yasser Arafat deteriorated in the night of November 8 to 9, 2004. The state of coma which led to his admission to the intensive care unit became deeper this morning," said Christian Estripeau. "This marks a significant step towards a development whose prognosis is doubtful," he said. Translation: he wasn't dead before -- he was mostly dead. Now he is almost, completely dead and not even true love can save him.
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RBurgers,
I suggest we be more scientific from now on:
Enter the Suha Scale(TM) - from now on the press should report along the following lines:
"The french Surgeon General has declared arafat to be dead with a death intensity of about 78/119 on the Suha Scale(SS)".
Interpretation for pedestrians : The Fish is deader than he was yesterday but has not surrendered the codes and account numbers yet.
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Lucky,
I also liked it best when I could get it.
right now I'm stuck with Goldstar and Macabbi.
My best choice in the USA was Anchor Steam (a small Microbrewery).
I got acquated with it when I did my postdoc
in San Francisco. I really wish I could get some in Israel.
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I really wish I could get some in Israel.
You too?
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Why A Morous,
Have they stopped making it ??
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nahhh - it's still available, in fact, in San Diego, at Pt. Loma seafoods, they have it on tap....
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Pull the plug! Pull the plug! Pull the plug! Pull the...
The Black Watch battle group in Iraq are urgently reviewing tactics after the third attack on Camp Dogwood troops in five days killed a fourth soldier. The scale of the casualties and the attacks' "intensity and sophistication" have led to "searching questions", the BBC's David Loyn said, from the camp. He said the practice of troops going into villages in soft berets to gather information was being re-evaluated. But a Black Watch spokesman said the troops were "more determined". "While we mourn a lost colleague, the whole battle group has just been made more determined by this to complete our important mission," Capt Stuart Macaulay said. "Our thoughts are with his family."
In Monday's incident, a Warrior armoured vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb just after dark, killing one soldier instantly and injuring two others. David Loyn said the blast was powerful enough to blow the vehicle off the road, taking the wheels off one side. He said flares immediately lit up the night sky around Camp Dogwood as the Black Watch battle group took up defensive positions to prevent any follow-up attacks by mortars or rockets. It followed two suicide car bomb attacks - one on Sunday, in which two bomb disposal experts were injured, and one last Thursday in which three soldiers died. Our correspondent said the Black Watch were under almost daily attacks and "now know that they are facing a much more sophisticated enemy than when they first came up here".
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I'm sorry to see it, but this does confirm that different enemies call for different tactics. The Scots are looking more American every day now that they've met the Sunni.
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Yep. The softly-softly, flexible, approach may have helped keep hearts and minds in Basra, but up north the they'll have to be protected, and wary of everyone, at all times. Bit of a culture shock for the boys. They've crossed to Derry from Londonderry.
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Yup B, time to deploy a nasty nasty approach , screw hearts and minds , theres too much at risk for the long term future of operations with that approach . Our silky gloves need to come off , the local population is with us or against us , simple . So what if we are hated up there , we are already .
Sniper deployment and snatch/bag raids please . Ohh and Tony B , send another support battalion out there please just to show we mean business , and watch the lefties scream !
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Aye, high time to kick in a few doors..
....toss in grenade, rinse, repeat.
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Bulldog: Yep. The softly-softly, flexible, approach may have helped keep hearts and minds in Basra, but up north the they'll have to be protected, and wary of everyone, at all times.
No offense, but I don't think the softly-softly approach did anything for British forces. They were simply lucky because the mass of the population were cooperative, and Sadr chose to make his stand in US-held territory. American troops were super-trusting of locals, even in hostile territory, until they started getting shot in the head at close range, while the locals cheered.
British exceptionalism in guerrilla warfare is a figment of the imagination. During the Malayan* Emergency, the British colonial authorities adopted nightly curfews through Malaya during the entire time they were in-country against a guerrilla force that was a fraction of the force in Iraq, and routinely hung captured communists. The soft-softly approach was a reaction to the low level of threat posed by non-entities like the much-hyped up and romanticized IRA. In Malaya, where, like Iraq, the opposition was actually capable of winning power via military victory, the British adopted harsh tactics that included compulsory relocation from vast areas of countryside and public hangings.
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Good comment, Bulldog. The Black Watch has gone from Waterside to Bogside..
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I bow to your superior assumption-based assessment of the situation in Southern Iraq, Zhang Fei. If I follow you correctly, losing a mere twenty men to hostile action since the end of April last year has clearly just been down to 'luck'. Perhaps you ought to contact British military authorities in Basra and tell them how you could have slashed that number had you been in command.
You call it luck: I'd call it a proportionate response to the threat level posed. British forces have faced a number of uprisings in Basra and elsewhere, and have managed, each time, to quell the opposition using a combination of sufficient firepower and good cooperation from the locals. The US have been in a different situation and have handled things a different way. I'm not going to assume that I know how to do things better than the US military command, and I suggest you show a bit more humility towards the guys making the decisions on the ground on the British side. Flexibility is the key to effective military operations; your attitude seems pretty rigid to me. The Black Watch will adapt to their new environment just as the US military has.
The IRA are 'non-entities', 'much hyped' and 'romanticized'? Tell that to the relatives of the thousands who have died as a result of the Troubles, in Northern Ireland, Ireland, mainland UK and elsewhere, over years.
From the Dept. of An Article I Really Wish I Didn't Have to Post:
A suicide bomber who killed three Black Watch heroes was an al Qaeda terrorist, according to Army chiefs. The bomber, who was white, reportedly grinned as he delivered his devastating payload. His face was seen by surviving troops as he drove up to a road block in a car seconds before the blast. Army chiefs believe he was an al Qaeda extremist fighter from somewhere in Europe. A senior military source in Iraq said: "The bomber was Caucasian. That means he could be from anywhere between Bosnia to Birmingham. We don't know any more because there wasn't much left of him. But it confirms our fears that the Black Watch are now up against foreign terrorists."
The blast last Thursday killed Sergeant Stuart Gray, 31, Private Paul Lowe, 19, and Pte Scott McArdle, 22, all from Fife, as well as an Iraqi interpreter. Officers said the bomber, and another suicide attacker who left two British soldiers seriously injured on Sunday, both attacked with a calm grin on their faces. Their relaxed manner and broad smile seconds before they struck disarmed troops who were tricked into thinking they meant no harm. The senior source added: "The bombers drove slowly, and were very relaxed and assured. "How they could commit such a cold-blooded act in that manner is very hard to comprehend."
A moment of silence, please, for these fine lads.
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grinned as he delivered his devastating payload
I'm sure this will be repaid in kind. In fact, I'll be grinning every time an M1A1 lets off a round or two in Fallujah.
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Caucasian eh? Probably a person disillusioned by the election results here in the US. Wouldn't be suprised to find out this suicide bomber is a AL-Guardian reader from France or Britain.
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If they're British then we should adopt the Israeli approach and demolish their family's homes and deport them. Bastards.
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Does seem likely to me that they'd have chosen a Brit to attack the British troops, if there was one available. As a whitey, he would probably be an individual convert to the religion of peace; the usual screwed-up criminal loner type. If so, his folks probably wouldn't have had anything to do with it. Better to evict his recruiters and deport or incarcerate them.
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I may have to stay off RB today - after a morning of listening to Beeb news I'm on the verge of having an anyeurism or taking a weapon into the streets. Bastards.
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Let's keep this in perspective: Abu Ghraib.
All you panty waist libs need to do an A-B comparison between a grinning suicide bomber and a naked guy. The naked guy will forget about his day of humiliation and live his life. The grinning bastard will have taken life.
Are you reading this NYT? A thirty-two day straight run of front page stories about a handful of malcontents with no adult supervision? Get a fucking grip.
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The NYT does NOT lack perspective -- it's just a perspective that has little relationship to the facts and threats and American mainstream. It's the U.S. version of the BBC.
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Do not forget that Iranians are Caucasions as are Chechnyans. Clean 'em up and put them in western clothes and you'd be hard pressed to tell either from an Eastern or Southern European.
If he truly was a Brit I would think he could have done far more damage.
Bury his remains in pig guts and maxi pads and let the others Jihadists contemplate eternity denied the virgins.
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The problem is not the bombs, or the smiles, it's the cars! Once the Black Watch realize that all vehicles must be stopped... back at a distance, and the occupants made to get out with their hands in the air fingers spread, this type of intrusion will always 'catch' them. Stop everything larger than a rolling can of beans, if it don't, blow it up in place!!
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I could just hear Gimli say "That 23!" while cleaning his axe.
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Loved this quote from another article - said Major Todd Desgrosseilliers, an executive officer with the marines. "We are using good old American firepower."
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CNN embed is giving good coverage - better than Sullivan, who seems to still be smarting from the election. With Instapundit and Drezner focused on domestic issues, belgravia away, winds of change onto something else, and Sully still in his blue (state) funk, RB and BC are among few good blog sources. BC of course requires a pinch of salt, but is still very good. He ought to give more explicit credit to John Pike for the aerial photos, though.
#4
Sullivan's gonna rant and rave about how much better the Marines would do if they just allowed gay marriage. Johnny one-note for the last two yrs - I quit reading him
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Sully's a most excitable young man who thinks Abu Ghraib is more important than the battel for Fallujah. For him, the war is primarily a grand debate in which moral purity and clever arguments carry the day. As a war commenter he's completely unreliable. Back to the niche strategy, Andrew.
A representative from the Palestinian Liberation Organization's headquarters is reportedly in Oslo, probing alleged misuse of funding to its local office. The PLO is also probing alleged funding abuse at other offices in Europe. The investigation was reportedly ordered by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat himself, before he fell seriously ill.
Sure he did.
While speculation continues to swirl around Arafat's condition, one of his top officials has had two PLO representatives in Europe questioning local PLO officials, according to Arab newspaper Al-Bayan. The paper said the two PLO officials have been questioning leaders of local operations who are suspected of having the password for the Bern account misused their authority.
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Saudi police killed a suspected terrorist and captured three others Tuesday in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah, west of Saudi Arabia, official sources said. A foreign ministry statement said the security forces captured one of the four suspects in the neighborhood of al-Jamia in central Jeddah and encircled the other three in a nearby house. "The gunmen opened fire at the security forces prompting them to return fire, killing one, wounding another while the third surrendered ... Two policemen were also injured in the clash," the statement said. It said police seized arms from the house, including automatic rifles and a large number of grenades and ammunition. 
Warplanes have bombed a government clinic in the centre of Falluja as US ground forces engaged in pitched battles with fighters defending the city. Residents said the one-storey Popular Clinic which had been receiving wounded anti-US fighters and civilians was hit overnight as US-led forces pressed into the city. The residents said on Tuesday it was impossible to reach the clinic because of heavy bombing and US tanks in the area. The clinic's telephones were no longer working. An Iraqi journalist, Abu Bakr al-Dulaimi, told Aljazeera that the overnight bombings which continued for more than 10 hours targeted everything in the city including the hospital, houses as well as cars. Al-Dulaimi said the hospital's staff, doctors and patients, have all fallen victim to the assault. He said such fierce bombings have not been witnessed since the Iran-Iraq war.
Palestinians coming to terms with the dying days of Yasser Arafat heaped scorn on his wife Suha yesterday, enraged that the person they love least is making a tawdry spectacle of their historic leader's descent.
Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is dead, senior Palestinian political sources said on Tuesday. The information from sources close to Arafat could not immediately be confirmed. "He is dead," one of the sources close to Arafat said in Paris, where Arafat has been lying in a coma at a French hospital. Officials in the West Bank said they had not been informed that Arafat was dead. 
Yasser Arafat may have only hours to live, a Palestinian source said after Palestinian leaders discussed the president's health Tuesday with doctors who are treating him at a French military hospital. "They spent about one hour with the French doctors and heard a detailed report on his medical condition. He is not dead but we are counting the hours," the source said.
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A representative from the Palestinian Liberation Organization's headquarters is reportedly in Oslo, probing alleged misuse of funding to its local office. The PLO is also probing alleged funding abuse at other offices in Europe. The investigation was reportedly ordered by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat himself, before he fell seriously ill. 
