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Forty Saudis are to be freed from the notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba soon as one Saudi and three Bahrainis returned home yesterday after being released from the detention facility. The news of the impending release was revealed by a Kuwaiti activist. Saudi and Bahraini authorities too promised to keep pressing Washington to free the remaining detainees. âA group of Bahrainis and more than 40 Saudis will be sent back to their countries soon,â Khalid Al-Oudah, the head of the Society of Families of Kuwaiti Prisoners in Guantanamo, said citing âvery reliable sources.â Five Kuwaitis released from Guantanamo arrived home Thursday leaving six Kuwaitis at the facility, including Oudahâs son.
Maj. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki, a spokesman of the Saudi Interior Ministry, said he had no information about the release of 40 prisoners. âI donât have information on specific number of detainees who would be released but whenever someone is released we issue a statement immediately,â he told Arab News. He said that Saudi Arabia hopes to receive the remaining Saudi detainees from Guantanamo or anywhere they might be held against their will. âThere is no timetable for the release of these detainees but there are continued efforts as we witness periodical releases of prisoners,â he said.
Al-Turki yesterday announced the release of Majed Afas Radhi Al-Shammari from the US detention camp and his arrival in the Kingdom. âHe will be interrogated by authorities here and then they will determine whether to hold him or release him,â he added.
A member of the Saudi detaineesâ defense team in Riyadh, Kateb Al-Shammari, said he was not aware of the imminent release of any of the 120 Saudis still at Guantanamo. Bahrain said with three of its citizens returning yesterday, only three Bahrainis remain at the camp including Jumah Al-Dossari who reportedly attempted suicide in mid-October.
Salman Ibrahim Al-Khalifa, Abdullah Al-Noaimi and Adel Kamil Abdullah Al-Haji returned yesterday aboard a US military plane from Guantanamo, according to Bahraini authorities. âThe three have arrived and they are in their houses,â said Adel Al-Moawdah, the deputy speaker of Bahrainâs Parliament who has been pushing for their release and greeted one of them on arrival. The three were arrested four years ago by Pakistani authorities and handed over to US forces during the 2001 war in Afghanistan. âIt was an ordeal for them and their families. We have been working for their release since day one,â said Information Minister Muhammad Abdul Ghaffar.
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And do be sure to publicly thank them for all their help and cooperation.
Three men suspected of involvement in terrorism have appeared in a British court, charged with an array of offenses from fund-raising to conspiracy to murder. Waseem Mughal and Younis Tsouli, both 22, and Tariq al-Daour, 19, spoke only to confirm their names and ages during a brief hearing Friday at Bow St. Magistrates Court in central London. Judge Daphne Wickham ordered the men to remain in custody until a further court appearance on November 18.
Mughal and Tsouli were charged with offenses including conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause an explosion. On the hard drive of Tsouli's computer, police found a film demonstrating how to make a car bomb, the statement said. In addition, a film was found showing "a number of places in Washington, D.C." Al-Daour was charged with conspiracy to obtain money by deception, fundraising and possession of money for terrorist purposes. Mughal is from Kent, police said, while Tsouli and al-Daour are from London.
According to details of the charges released by police, authorities found a DVD entitled "Martyrdom Operations Vest" at Mughal's home, along with a piece of paper upon which was written in Arabic, "Welcome to Jihad." In addition, police found a piece of paper with the words "hospital = attack" and a "recipe for rocket propellant and guidance on causing an explosion." And police believe the three conspired to use stolen credit card information to obtain items, and possessed "money or other property for the purposes of terrorism," authorities said. When the three were arrested in October, police said the investigation was not related to the probe into the July London bombings.
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EXTRA counter-terrorism police have been rushed to Sydney to take part in the 24-hour surveillance of two suspects believed to be planning an attack on Australian soil.
The Australian understands a command post has been established in Sydney to monitor the men, one of whom has been linked to the outlawed terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba.
A parallel operation is under way in Melbourne and it is believed raids are imminent on the properties of the six suspects, even though it would not necessarily lead to arrests.
Anti-terror police are waiting for approval from the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions before swooping on the group.
Last night, police declined to comment on the operations, which involve dozens of police in both NSW and Victoria.
The group has been electronically monitored for the past 12 months. Several of them are closely linked to fugitive Sydney man Saleh Jamal, who was arrested on weapons charges in Lebanon after the Australian Federal Police warned their Lebanese counterparts that Jamal intended to become a suicide bomber.
Police sources indicated some of the group first came to the attention of authorities before the Sydney Olympic Games.
Attorney-General Philip Ruddock yesterday defended the rushed amendment to anti-terrorism legislation while admitting arrests were not imminent. "Authorities needed to be able to act if there was information about a potential terrorist act but where you didn't know the detail as to where and when it might occur," said Mr Ruddock told the Ten Network's Meet the Press.
"The information we had suggested it would be desirable to have it in place now. That doesn't mean in any way that I or the Prime Minister influence operational issues. They are matters dealt with independently by the police and other authorities.
"Whatever will happen will happen at an appropriate time, if at all."
Mr Ruddock said the important thing was for police to have the capacity to deal with the threat - which they now had.
He refused to comment on reports that spy agency ASIO was aware of a new radical cell comprising the Australian-born offspring of Muslim immigrants.
"Typecasting is never helpful," he said. "To suggest it is a particular group and to characterise it in a particular way isn't helpful either."
It was revealed in The Weekend Australian that John Howard's decision to publicly reveal the terror threat last week had caused a rift between the spy agency ASIO and state and federal police over the security of the counter-terrorist operations.
Senior police claimed the Prime Minister's announcement had jeopardised their monitoring and surveillance work.
But NSW and federal police were not officially commenting yesterday.
One of the Sydney men, who is a target of the current operation, had allegedly been identified by a US terrorist informant who claimed to have met him at a military training camp run by the outlawed militia group Lashkar-e-Taiba.
It is believed the man is the key link to another group of men in Melbourne who had been seen filming Melbourne landmarks including the stock exchange and trains stations. The group were all the subject of ASIO raids in June this year.
One of the Sydney men who was raided was highly distressed after the agents spent more than 24 hours searching his home in the western suburbs.
A relative of the young man said the agents even searched the roof of his home leaving him and his family very upset.
The relative, who did not want to be identified, denied the man had done anything wrong, and claimed the raid was an example of the authorities unfairly targeting Muslims.
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Why don't they give the address and tell us what time the raid is scheduled?
This constant blame thing on the part of the Islamics is a clear indication of bad parenting / dysfunctional family dynamics which have permeated and affected the culture from the foundations. (Just some FYI.)
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Excellent point Ex-lib. It comes natural for them however. They've blamed the Jew for everything negative that has ever happened to them since the dawn of time. The off-shore muzzies simply carry on the blame game tradition. Personal responsibility is unheard of.
Rioters have fired buckshot at police injuring 30 policemen, three of them seriously, in an 11th night of riots in France.
Riot squad officers were hit by buckshot fired from pistols and hunting rifles in the suburb of Grigny, south of Paris, a police spokesperson said on Sunday.
Two officers were being treated in hospital, one with lead shot wounds to the throat, the other with wounds to a leg.
Twenty-seven others were treated on the spot.
Some 200 youths also lobbed stones and other objects at police.
One officer was slightly hurt by buckshot in nearby Draveil.
A school and a kindergarten were set on fire in the same region, police said, adding that some 30 people were arrested.
Asked whether the rioters could have killed someone, the spokesman said: "Probably not at this distance, but they could have caused bad injuries, or turn one of the officers blind."
#3
Either the gendarmes are incredibly stupid or else they are incredibly stupid. Issue sidearms and institute a shoot-to-kill policy. Mobilize water cannons that disperse UV dye to tag all front line perpetrators and begin mass arrests. Clear the streets, declare a dusk-to-dawn curfew, cordon off the affected areas and shut off all utilities in neighborhoods where new unrest develops.
The French government has fought long and hard to arrive at this day. They are so richly deserving of this that I may have to open some French Champagne to celebrate it. I can only hope the ordinary French citizen makes keen note of where their politicians' incessant appeasement and internicine squabbling has gotten them.
#4
Thats right Mr. Spokesman, lead shot to the throat would never kill someone. Not at that range. Or would it be the police officer's fault for not having ducked fast enough?
#7
"German police dogs" But won't that kick in their surrender reflex?
Gee, that was cruel, cliche and tasteless. On mature reconsideration.... I don't really f**king care! Let let the cracks about cheese eating and simian surrendering flow freely!
#10
You have to love accuracy in reporting..."buckshot fired from pistols and hunging rifles..."
Aside from the solutions below, good sniper teams with orders to kill anyone using a weapon against police or innocent parties, or holding a Molotov Cocktail, should make thing real quiet, real quick. But, of course, since they are misguided, disaffected, "youths" that would be police brutality. Too bad the French public lacks the stones to demand action and results.
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I think the little kaks are emboldened at the lack of gov't response and will soon attack a French national treasure, such as the Notre Dame. What a religious statement that would make for the muzzies. They are conducting operations within a few blocks of it now. I think when this, or something similar happens you'll see French troops.
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Perhaps the allegation of Maurice Dantec on Quebec television that large arsenals of sophisticated heavy weaponry are stacked away in the French suburbs is also true.
How to start the French Intifada in 4 easy steps:
1.) Wait for incident to ignite spontaneous riots in the ghettos.
2.) Once started organize them and sustain them from the backround thus keeping a young face on the rioters.
3.) Continue until government can do nothing other than respond with overwhelming force, killing many "angry yoots" in the process.
4.) After this, when the "yoots" come back to you really ticked off and pumped up from a month of nonstop rioting, instead of handing them a molotav cocktail hand them one of maching guns you've been stockpiling and send them on their way.
IT is a French revolution in rioting - a war of attrition where the enemy is almost impossible to detect and the weapon is a Molotov cocktail.
Their targets are cars, buses, schools, nurseries, gyms, warehouses and brasseries across Paris and in other cities.
Comparisons with the Gaza Strip are impossible to avoid.
The rioting reached a peak on Saturday night with more than 900 cars torched, and nearly 200 arrests as authorities vowed to step up action against the youths responsible for 10 nights of violence.
But the riots are now a grave threat to the very concept of public order in France, striking central Paris on Saturday night.
Place de la Republique, 10 minutes' walk from Notre Dame, is the fabled heart of the Parisian protest. Overshadowed by an enormous statue representing liberty, equality and fraternity, Republique became the latest symbolic stage for the rioters when they torched four cars in the square. Car burnings were also reported in the expensive 17th arrondissement.
This is not a conventional urban riot where a large, angry mob confronts a wall of riot-shield wielding police. There are no pitched battles.
Like the Israeli troops in Gaza during the height of the intifada, the thousands of police deployed across the Paris suburbs are frustrated by the guerilla tactics of the firebombers who now rarely attack directly. While there have been sporadic reports of sniper fire at police, most of the gangs prefer to move in small bands setting fire to cars, buses, shops and public buildings, then moving on quickly before firefighters or police arrive.
It is difficult to disagree with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy when he says these attacks are being carefully planned by a group of mafia-style organised criminals.
Even the anguished and absolutely legitimate cries of discrimination and a history of stigmatisation by the residents of the maligned suburbs, many of them the despairing jobless children and grandchildren of France's former colonies, are beginning to pale into the background.
Mr Sarkozy is the bete-noire of the young people of the banlieue, or outer suburbs, the Left and some politicians on the Right, not to mention most of the French press. But is the Interior Minister destroying the infrastructure of poor communities, by blowing up buses, disrupting trains, attempting to set fire to disabled passengers, terrorising tourists, and firebombing places of work? Is he frightening away tourists from France, such as the Russian tour group who were set upon by hoodlums, and had their tour bus torched? Is he shutting down the main train to Charles de Gaulle airport because conductors have been roughed up by gang members?
It is time for the French to stop blaming their tough-talking Interior Minister and reunite for peace, justice and order. And then the country can deal with the problem it has failed to resolve for more than 30 years -- how to welcome and truly integrate an estimated 5 to 7 million immigrants from Africa into the mainstream of French society, by offering them genuinely equal treatment, jobs, and a sense of belonging in a country that is elitist, overwhelmingly white in its upper echelons and hypocritical to the core.
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Besoeker, I am not so sure... The govt. is more likely to stick out a lilly white flag through the shattered Rose Window. But perhaps some Frenchies still have a rudiment of testicular fortitude (gender regardless) and may take matter into their hands, at some point (earlier the better). I know, they are unarmed and pitchforks are probably not as common as 200 years or so ago. But if they don't find a way, you can stick the fork into France, it's done.
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I wonder how far this is going to spread. If the jihadis have their sh*t together, they could get things going all over Europe. They could even try to get things going in the US. That could do us a favor if we reacted properly. Like overwhelming force and sealing the affected areas. The inaction of the French government is sending a message --- a strong enabling message. Wonder if there are any rumblings in their neighbor Spain?
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I doubt there are many in America who would join in this, except perhaps in Dearborn. At this point, any participation would probably result in deportation after imprisonment, if Bush has any sense left.
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Even the anguished and absolutely legitimate cries of discrimination and a history of stigmatisation by the residents of the maligned suburbs, many of them the despairing jobless children and grandchildren of France's former colonies, are beginning to pale into the background.
That's the money quote. The lefties will continue to attempt to solve this via appeasement, the Islamists will continue to strike when they choose, and the public's frustration will continue to grow until France either falls or elects a hardline fascist government to protect the voting majority from the violent minority. Welcome back to the mid 1930s, the more things change ....
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The interesting bits about this begin with the definition. Are these youth gangs, criminal gangs, spontaneous "disaffected" youth, Muzlim youth, blah-blah-blah, etc. ?
They can be, and I believe are, all true.
I would guess that in the huge immigrant community there is room for all -- and a very large overlap, use the Venn Diagram as the visual, among all of the potential "groups". Convergence of interests and alliances of convenience.
Which begs the question: Who's running it?
I'd say no one, exclusively. YET. Each takes from it according to their motives. Simple vandal destruction, usurping authority, looting and thievery, whatever.
Beyond the definition is the fallout. Allowing this to blossom, the obvious indecision and lame response by the authorities, an obvious sense of helplessness, the vulnerability of the French population - in sum it certainly must appear to be a successful venture to the average immigrant onlooker with no more attachment to their host country than these nasty bastards.
I believe the real danger comes in the mixing of these interests. It is definitely a terrific recruiting opportunity for all of the various interests, too. Where, otherwise, they might never have anything like such a large-scale chance to cross-seed, this will do the trick - especially since the French authorities have let it go on so long. There are simple thugs who have shared the experience (there's big juju magic there) with devout Muzlim thugs, now, had time to form bonds, etc. Indeed, this could (will, IMHO) result in a much stronger and militant, more monolithic, anti-social force among the immigrants.
It could not have been "handled" any worse.
I'm waiting for the spillover as the immigrant "communities" which have developed all over the West watch and decide if they, too, can have a go.
Is there a particularly nasty strain of this in France - and not elsewhere? If so, it won't stay that way - they'll think about this - and evolve.
I believe France has screwed the pooch - and every country which has allowed immigrant enclaves of size to develop will pay for the mistake. Enclaves encourage isolation, not assimilation. The bigger they are, the more isolated, the more powerful the threat. And the French enclaves have now shown the way, the next step in the evolution of these aliens.
Thanks to the limp response of the French, it will end much bloodier than had they responded quickly and firmly. And the blood will not only be the blood of the insurgents. That's how it looks to me, anyway.
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France has yet both opportunity and redemption available to them. They can either give the muzzies a sound thrashing, snuff it out with thier very capable military setting the tone for the entire free world, or they can retreat and eventually become absorbed by Islam. The world awaits thier decision. It will be interesting indeed.
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if it continues a few months... I bet on a coup.
Its the French way .... followed by the SIXTH REPUBLIC... and all lessons forgotten in a generation or two.
French President Jacques Chirac called a security meeting of his top ministers Sunday after urban rioting spread _ with arsonists striking from the Mediterranean to the German border and into central Paris for the first time.
The meeting, planned for Sunday evening, came as Chirac faced mounting criticism from opposition politicians for not speaking publicly about the violence that has fanned out from Paris' tough northeastern suburbs.
more here for those who read French. It mentions, among other things, that Chirac has devoted a whole hour to this meeting and that de Villepin will have concrete proposals shortly. Meanwhile the head of the socialist party demands much more than compassionate speech. de Villepin is in consultation with teachers; Sarkozy praises the police. h/t No Pasaran
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9days of rioting the air ports are sut down to paris (thier in the middle of the ghetto) it is now spreading to neighboring towns,, and Chirac finaly has a freekin 1hour meeting with proposals shortley coming. My god. The french people are screwed if they dont dump Chirac and go right (hopefully not to the Faciast, Colonial right) they might as well start reading the Koran and learing Arabic.
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It'll take longer than a couple of hours to come up with a plan. At the very least, Chirac's cabinet will need to find the leader of the insurgency so that they can surrender properly to him.
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So Chiraq is going to have a meeting, eh? Well, due to the corruption of the French govt, it was easy for my operatives in Paris to penetrate the records of the last emergency meeting. Lucily there were digital wmv files made of it, so my operatives emailed them to me in encrypted form. I have them now for all to view in plain wmv format. Note: These are graphic and not for young children.
Police last night found a petrol bomb factory in a southern suburb of Paris, on France's tenth and worst consecutive night of violence.
Six youths, all aged under 18, were arrested in a raid on a building in Evry, south of Paris, where more than 100 bottles, gallons of fuel and hoods for hiding rioters' faces were found.
Jean-Marie Huet, the Justice Ministry's director of criminal affairs and pardons, said the Police found: "150 bottles prepared for use as Molotov cocktails, of which 50 were ready to be used," and "tens of litres of gasoline and hoods".
Saturday night's rioting was the most destructive so far as 1,300 vehicles were set alight and 349 people arrested, despite an enhanced police presence.
So far more than 800 people have been arrested and 3,500 vehicles torched, mainly in the working-class, high-immigration outer suburbs of Paris where unemployment is as high as 20 percent.
Cars were burned out in the historic centre of Paris for the first time on Saturday night. In the normally quiet Normandy town of Evreux, a shopping mall, 50 vehicles, a post office and two schools went up in flames.
An extra 2,300 police officers have been drafted in across the country but the unrest has shown no sign of abating. Authorities have struggled address a problem with complex social, economic and racial causes.
Jean-Louis Debre, mayor Evreux and speaker of the lower house of parliament, told France Info radio: "To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious⊠If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."
But authorities now say the rolling nightly riots are being organised via the Internet and mobile phones, and have pointed the finger at drug traffickers and Islamist militants.
The number of incidents in the Paris region was similar to the night before, but in the provinces it was up sharply.
As input to the question of whether the violence in France, Denmark etc. is due to social failures or Islamacist aspirations, I highly recommend the Army War College article linked here.
The author is:
the General Douglas MacArthur Chair and Professor of Military Strategy at the U.S. Army War College. He is a retired U.S. Army colonel and an Adjunct Professor of International Politics at Dickinson College. He has served in various civilian and military positions, including the U.S. Army War College, the U.S. Southern Command, and the Defense Intelligence Agency. Dr. Manwaring is the author and co-author of several articles, chapters, and reports dealing with political-military affairs, democratization and global ungovernability, and Latin American security affairs.
Manwaring's analysis is dense but worth the read. This sort of insurgency isn't limited to Muslim ghettos in Europe - the MS-13 gang has targetted US police for assasination, for instance, and a number of Mexican cities are no longer effectively under police control. We'll be seeing more of this sort of thing in the near and mid-future, I fear.
Brief excerpt from the intro:
Although differences between gangs and insurgents regarding motives and modes of operations exist ... gang phenomena are mutated forms of urban insurgency. In these terms, these ânewâ nonstate actors must eventually seize political power to guarantee the freedom of action and the commercial environment they want. The common denominator that can link the gang phenomenon to insurgency is that some third generation gangsâ and insurgentsâ ultimate objective is to depose or control the governments of targeted countries...
This is a ... problem that must be understood on three distinct levels of analysis:
first, the gangs phenomena are generating serious domestic and regional instability and insecurity that ranges from personal violence to insurgent to state failure:
second, because of their criminal activities and security challenges, the gangs phenomena are exacerbating civil-military and police-military relations problems and reducing effective and civil-military ability to control the national territory;
and, third, gangs are helping transitional criminal organizations, insurgents, warlords, and drug barons erode the legitimacy and effective sovereignty of nation-states .
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I remember back in the mid to late 1990's reading that Chinese were arming the gangs in LA and wondering WTH. Don't get too cocky with your French jokes, this could spread to our ghettos too. Yes, we are armed and yes we have better leadership, but if planning for these infant-ta-das has been going on for quite some time, then we'll get our turn too.
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Yup. And Manwaring's take seems prescient, given the quotes from French 'rioters' who've said they decided to rampage when Sarkozy began cutting down on drug trafficking and other crime in their neighborhoods.
Same thing with the MS-13 gang, and with other emerging networks of violent thugs who traffick drugs, arms, people .... Last I read, MS-13 have occasionally been caught with body armor, night vision equipment, very high powered rifles ....
#3
From an article I've read about the french army's experience in Kosovo, the main problem of that area is not an opposing (para)military force, it is an overhelming, omnipresent, politized (and probably islamized too) organized crime.
Armed forces are mostly powerless in front of that, and the UN hodge-podge of LE is too.
The insurgency potential of organizeed criminal gangs should not be underestimated, it is sometimes hard to tell crooks from terrorists.
Read the whole thing :-). He predicted everything that's happening right now.
By creating these dehumanizing ghettoes (similar to the Projects in St. Louis in the 70's), filling them with immigrants, and then abandoning them to criminals, France has created its own destruction.
The fact that these immigrants are 30% - 40% unemployed and Muslim, with their associated insecurities and radical worldview, has created the perfect storm.
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Another interesting point is made at Wretchard's also. The yoots have calibrated their agression to the point where it achieves destabilizing political objectives without incurring a military response. In spite of automobiles being destroyed at the rate of 1,000 per night and probably 35,000 YTD, the French are locked in to not even a law enforcement model, but a containment model. That France has given up soverignty over some of its territory is the message that is being nightly reinforced by these yoots.
This is a very devastating internal threat to the nation state that it is apparently helpless to respond to. The referencing to LA is quite reasonable. If Caliphornia rejects the four proposals on Tuesday, it's government will be left permanently hostage to the forces that have prevented the French government from making a vigorously effective response to this lawlessness.
#7
The same issue arises in Iraq, where there's a delicate and slowly shifting balance between the insurgent violence, Iraqi forces, coalition forces and public opinion.
Those who see the insurgency in Iraq mainly as an Islamacist uprising forget that Iraq under Saddam was run in many places by gangs that he never tried to suppress, just to exploit and skim money from.
In France, I wonder what the public reaction would be to use of force -- and if they have a sufficient armed capability to deal with simultaneous uprisings in many places at once. Could be they do, but that's not what some commenters are saying.
Here, such uprisings would threaten to fracture public opinion in serious ways I think.
#9
That statement about always fighting the last war...
This implies to me that Burnett's solution is sort of last war as it doesn't really address the gang/crime angle.
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KBK, Great link. I liked this bit:
Is it not possible that you would seek a doctrine that would simultaneously explain your predicament, justify your wrath, point the way toward your revenge, and guarantee your salvation, especially if you were imprisoned? Would you not seek a âworthwhileâ direction for the energy, hatred, and violence seething within you, a direction that would enable you to do evil in the name of ultimate good?
#11
Yes, there CAN be such an intersection and no doubt it has occurred for some and will occur for others.
But be careful not to oversimplify the facts on the ground in France. The violence (always bubbling at a low level in the banlieus) intensified and got public notice after Sarkozy began cracking down on drug and other crime and the national government announced cutbacks in housing and other subsidies.
#13
Excellent point lotp. When the gravy train stops, those on board get restless. I've often wondered if that was the motivation for our half-hearted "war on illegal drugs" here in the states. Just shut up, sit back, and eat your candy.
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When the gravy train stops, those on board get restless. I've often wondered if that was the motivation for our half-hearted "war on illegal drugs" here in the states. Just shut up, sit back, and eat your candy.
Could you expand on that, please, Besoeker? I seem to be a little slow today. Thanks!
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Besoeker is arguing that we didn't want to
rock the boat too much with the war on illegal drugs here, because it would cause "rioting" (restless gravy train "passengers"). Interesting point, but the US position on illegal drugs is more clear and generally enforced to a greater degree than in France, methinks. Besoeker is kind of a Zenster type, so you can expect some extremist views.
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Thanks for the translation, ex-lib -- that helps a lot. (I hope Besoeker didn't think I was being sarcastic!) Of course, Zenster, doesn't think his views are extreme, he thinks we're just a little slow to catch up. ;-)
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This will most likely be an extremely unpopular observation hereabouts.
The linked article is a comprehensive and detailed argument for the decriminalization (with strict regulation - like alcohol and tobacco) of drugs. If narco-politics is such a major driver of third generation gangs, then let's remove their financial underpinnings.
I realize that America's political landscape is still far too Puritanical to accept such an incompatible notion, but it remains a fact that dislocating the huge cash flow enjoyed by such deleterious organizations would go a long way towards pulling their fangs.
Please remember how prohibition contributed to the rise of gang activity and violence in America. I can only speculate as to whether decriminalization might erode a significant nexus of revenues for similar criminal organizations.
I know this is a can of worms. I also know that decoupling this one significant factor from the incredibly virulent threat of Islamist fanaticism might allow terrorism to be further isolated and dealt with far more successfully.
I'll also admit that the article made me think through my advocacy of decapping various rogue governments. While such actions would definitely promote intra-state (internal) conflict, I still maintain that it would help to neuter whatever international (or ethno-religious) destabilization these outlaw nations seek to foment.
#19
You've identified their lifeblood Zenster, but I'm not ready to see it all legalized. Can you imagine replacing a cig in the mouth of a soccer mom, with a "Fat Boy" as she whips through traffic in her mini-van, with a cellphone glued to head? Or a pack of rednecks on a Harley's toking along? We just ain't ready for that.
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Can you imagine replacing a cig in the mouth of a soccer mom, with a "Fat Boy" as she whips through traffic in her mini-van, with a cellphone glued to head?
Besoeker, you may have missed the part about, "with strict regulation - like alcohol and tobacco". Last I checked, Driving Under the Influence was (quite rightly) illegal. In no way do I advocate any alteration of that law.
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Zenster - the prefered market for the mobs (maximum profit) is as followed.
1) use and possession of small amts decriminalized
2) Sale criminalized
This promises maximum prices with maximum market!
The best situation is:
Its either totally illegal with death sen. and such or totally legal with drunk driving type controls...
Only way to make the market too small to interest gangs.
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I've read the book and I do not think it is very applicable to the Street Gangs mold. Manwaring focuses on the power of nacro-trafficing and narco-corruption to empower criminal organizations and undermine already week states.
This is not what is happening in France. I side more with John Robb's view that France its basically criminal gangs in the ghetto leveraging the rioters to fight back Sarkozy's "tough on crime" campaign.
What is happening in France is more akin to Netwar - as described by Aquilla's "Networks and Netwar". The risk of course is that there could be a link-up to Islamofacist organizations.
The French authorities have stepped up police action against youths responsible for more than a week of urban riots as the unrest spread across the country. On Saturday Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy called a meeting of police chiefs to discuss tactics as they braced for another night of violence that has so far defied all efforts to stamp it out. In a sign of the government's resolve, police said more than 250 people were arrested on Friday night alone - doubling the number of detentions recorded since the troubles first erupted on 27 October.
But did you conk them on the turbans when you arrested them?
Nearly 900 vehicles were torched that same night, making it the worst in terms of the arson attacks that have come to characterise the rampages. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin held a crisis meeting with Sarkozy and other key ministers on Saturday, as the rioting dominated world headlines and prompted the United States and Russia to warn its citizens against travelling through Paris suburbs.
Holding a meeting is the best way to solve all problems, as we all know. Much more effective than a baton charge or rounding up the ringleaders and doing terrible things to them...
Officials were "unanimous in their firmness" in seeking an end to the violence, Sarkozy said after the meeting. "The violence is not acceptable," he told journalists.
"Not acceptable" implies you're not going to let it continue. It's now ten days old. It shouldn't have been acceptable on day one. If it hadn't been accepted on day one, we wouldn't be on day ten.
While the government acknowledged that the grim conditions in the suburbs - chronic high unemployment, racial discrimination, miserable housing, drugs - had much to do with the discontent, Sarkozy and other security officials also voiced suspicions that the unrest was being organised.
No!... Reeeeeeeally? That's never happened before, has it?
Paris prosecutor general Yves Bot told Europe 1 radio on Saturday there was "organised violence," but did not say by whom. "If I could give an exact answer, those people would already be under arrest," he said. "But we can see organised actions, a strategy."
In that case, you should start doing terrible things to the nearest cannon fodder until he/she/it tells you who you should really be looking for. Why am I getting the impression the Frenchies have forgotten how to do this?
Youths have been seen relaying police movements by mobile telephone, and have started internet weblogs urging other parts of France to join the unrest.
You see, if you catch one of the yoots with the cell phones, and you pound his kneecaps into paste with a claw hammer, he'll be happy to tell you who he was talking to. Then you go catch that guy. You do terrible things to his kneecaps or elbows for an hour or two, and he'll tell you somebody else to round up.
While deprived suburbs with large immigrant Arab and African populations on the fringes of Paris were again the scene of the worst of the riots, violence has also flared in other cities around the country - Lille, Rouen, Rennes, Toulouse, Marseille - over the past two nights. The prospect of coordinated actions is of special concern in France, given that the areas most affected by the violence are downtrodden suburbs with high concentrations of Muslims. The country is home to Europe's biggest Muslim community, estimated at more than five million, or nearly 10% of the population.
Assuming this intifadeh ends, the Frenchies might want to give some serious thought to lowering that percentage drastically. Just think of them as Albigensians.
So far, though, there has been no religious dimension given to the riots. Those taking part have spoken more of protesting against the misery of their lives in the fringe towns, where unemployment of more than 20% is the norm.
I'm sure they'd all be much happier if they were sent to live in Ratholistan. Life there is so much more Islamic.
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Just think of them as Albigensians
COFFEE ALERT!!!
speaking of which... how many sniper teams are the French deploying for this Intifada?
Very dangerous if this becomes the accepted view. If the EUniks don't learn from burning cities, the price of insight only goes up. The era of appeasement should be over. Now.
There are poor marginalized people everywhere. At the moment, only some are organized to tear down the nations in which they live. What do they have in common, one might ask?
Islam is both a religion and an ideology of conquest. Pretending this is not so has not been working well of late. Perhaps grasping the obvious would be in order.
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I am sure the French will start passing "resolutions" as a result of these meetings. * sigh *
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I think that four countries (UK,US,India and Israel) should help France by creating a "roadmap to peace" - we need to get the Peace Process⢠going.
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Crackdown? I don't think so. The government is negotiating the handover of various territories, and working out the best way to spin this to the French public.
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Btw, last night official figure : 1295 burnt cars (plus some trucks, including 18 wheelers) spread all over France, and for the first time about 30 vehicles torched in Paris itself, a suburbian house was burned with an aged couple having to be rescued, a mall was ransacked, more warehouses and businesses were torched, etc, etc... again, this appears to be more like an urban guerilla playing cat-and-mouse with LE than real rioting; there is at least some organization behind it, for example the police busted a firebomb factory.
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Time to bring in the UN. This is too serious for unilateral action on the part of one country. Allow it to simmer in the UN for 6 months or a year while threating them with resolutions. I have no doubt that with the help of the UN, the French will show the rest of us how to oppose the rape of their country in a civilized manner.
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That's funny, one of my first reaction to this, apart for the concern and sadness for the thousands of homes in deep trouble because their property has been destroyed for nothing, was to think how ironic this whole thing was.
I mean, the french Enlightened Elites (pols, media, academics,...) have been pro-arab since about 38 years ago, and the coverage of the al aqsa intifada was very, very antizionist, pro paleostinian, up to the point of explicit complicty with the al dura forgery. Thus, the whole point of this was to justify the arab narratives of this war; the gvt started backpedaling on this a short while ago, since it had facilitated the spread of violent antisemitsm in France (according to police intelligence, only 7% of the antisemite violence is done by the far right, the reste being done by "disaffected mulsim youths"... french are NOT antisemite, dammit!).
So, by cavorting to the arab version of this war for political and ideological reasons (see my recent post about "de Villepin", who's a man, saying that Israel was to be a parenthesis in ME's history), official France not only has given "justifications" to the anti-jew violence, but it has also given some to the "francifada", french intifada, where the muslim youths play the part of the "oppresses paleostinians"(Tm), and the french authorities are the "Evil Zionists"(Tm).
Remember that the islamoleftist alliance has been pushing the idea of the "indigenous people" and "post colonial colonialism" : France has a colonial gestion of its muslim population, and is a colonial power on its own soil, while the true "indigenous people" of France are... the muslim migrants! And we all know that the sacred duty of an oprressed people is to free itself from colonialism...
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where the muslim youths play the part of the "oppresses paleostinians"(Tm), and the french authorities are the "Evil Zionists"(Tm).
heh! I just can't wait to see the Beserkely/Sheehan crowd with their Chiraq = Hitler signs and France out of Paris NOW! signs.
It all works, ya see, because Chiraq intends to surrender Paris on November 11 and move the government to Vichy where Chirac will rule the French territories ...as a Nazi.
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Some of the 'rioters' have said their actions were in response to Sarkozy clamping down on drug trafficking and other organized crime in the cites. Gives credence to this analysis of street gangs and insurgency.
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I can't help my feelings of indifference. I still have visions of Dominique de Villepin following Colin Powell around while we were trying to seek support for the war in Iraq. Powell would try to seek support from a government one day and De Villepin would be there the next day trying to undermine our efforts. As far as I'm concerned I hope they burn down De Villepin's house. Just leave the art, cheese, and red wine please.
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3dc, I would say corded (you dont was to run out halfway thru the yoot) and a 1/2" ship auger.
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I'm not sure about the French, but the Danes are about ready to start cracking heads. If France actually grew a pair and started taking control away from these crackheads and religious fanatics, most of Europe would follow suit. SOMEBODY HAS TO BE FIRST! It might as well be France. If they fail, the entire western half of the continent is in danger. Poland and the Baltic states don't have many muslim immigrants yet, neither does Czech Republic, Slovakia, or Hungary. Bulgaria and Romania have an indigenous muslim population that hasn't yet given anyone too many problems. The entire former nation of Yugoslavia needs to be stomped, and HARD. I hope the Euroweenies learn before it's too late.
As for torture, Fred, the most effective torture for a muslim is to break his right hand with a ball peen hammer - several times. He can't eat with his left hand - it's unclean...
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Break both hands, else the crafty little buggers will band together and feed one another.
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Here's a perfect take on the rioters, from Stephen Sondheim's lyrics for West Side Story:
ACTION
Dear kindly social worker,
They say go earn a buck.
Like be a soda jerker,
Which means like be a schumck.
It's not I'm anti-social,
I'm only anti-work.
Gloryosky! That's why I'm a jerk!
BABY JOHN:(As Female Social Worker)
Eek!
Officer Krupke, you've done it again.
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen.
It ain't just a question of misunderstood;
Deep down inside him, he's no good!
ACTION
I'm no good!
ALL
We're no good, we're no good!
We're no earthly good,
Like the best of us is no damn good!
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Jewish Defense League figure Earl Krugel, convicted in a plot to bomb a California mosque and the office of a U.S. congressman was killed at a federal prison in Arizona, an FBI spokesman said Saturday. Krugel, 62, was killed in an assault Friday evening at the Federal Correctional Institution in Phoenix, said FBI agent Richard Murray. Murray wouldn't release further details but said federal authorities had opened a homicide investigation.
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For those who don't remember this tragic fiasco, Jewish self-defense advocates Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel were framed and sent to prison. Now both have died - violently - in prison. I wonder if the real story behind their murders will ever come to light?
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This is an outrage! The prisoners' wishes should be respected and they should be allowed to starve themselves to a natural conclusion! Not to mention the absolute waste of resources and man hours, all paid for by ourselves!
Dozens of insurgents were killed Saturday on the first day of Operation Steel Curtain, a U.S.-Iraqi military offensive near the Syrian border, military officials said. Marine company commander Capt. Conlon Carabine described the day as one long firefight full of sniper and machine gun fire. "With the exception of 30 minutes, it's been shooting or getting shot at all day," Carabine said.
At least three Marines received minor wounds in the fighting, said U.S. military officials in Husayba, where much of the operation is centered. The offensive "marks the first large-scale employment of multiple battalion-sized units of Iraqi Army forces in combined operations with coalition forces" in Anbar province during the past year, the military said in a news release. The operation comes in the largely Sunni Muslim region in advance of Iraq's parliamentary election, set for December 15.
Sunni tribal leader Sheik Osama Jadaan denounced the offensive, The Associated Press reported. "We call all humanitarians and those who carry peace to the world to intervene to stop the repeated bloodshed in the western parts of Iraq," Jadaan told AP. "And we say to the American occupiers to get out and leave Iraq to the Iraqis."
Once a thriving trade city of some 30,000 people, Husayba has been largely deserted. A crossing into Syria there has been closed for more than a year, and Husayba's population now numbers just a few thousand.
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Sheik Osama Jadaan needs to be made dead. Hard to have a "tribe" without leaders, leaders who have been supporting terrorists.
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"We call all humanitarians and those who carry peace to the world to intervene to stop the repeated bloodshed in the western parts of Iraq,"
Gosh, Jadaan, I think the only people qualified for that type of action are ....us. Of course you might be able to get some of those San Francisco/Beserkly folk to come over with some Bush Hitler signs. Good luck on that.
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Re #3 - Now where are those famed 'human shields' when you need them? This could give our guys a chance at a two-fer - kill a moonbat AND a moonGod moron with a single bullet.
MNF said coalition forces arrested a cell leader responsible for killings, kidnappings and bomb attacks in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. It said that Essa Jalabawi was arrested and was also accused of illegally possessing weapons. It added that other detainees identified Jalabawi. The MNF said in a press release Jalabawi was leading a cell of armed rebels in Ramadi. The cell is also responsible for forging travel documents, added MNF.
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The multinational force operating in Iraq revealed Friday that several senior officials of the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization were killed in an air raid last month. The air raid was launched, by the multinational force, on Oct 29 against a site in the western Iraqi town of Hasseiba. Those killed included Abu Talha, one of the organization's leaders and Abu Asil, who was a North African and was a close companion to Abu Musaab Al-Zarqawi. Abu Asil was also in charge of recruiting terrorists in the Middle East area.
"The multinational force has identified five senior Al-Qaeda members among the killed," a statement by the multinational force said. It added that three houses were destroyed by the air raid including one which was used as a site for the meetings of Al-Qaeda leaders.
Three other leaders were killed, including Abu Raghd, Abu Usama and Abu Salman -- all identified by their nick names. The statement stated that Abu Asil was a foreigner who was closely associated with Abu Musaab. "Abu Asil's job was also to train suicide attackers," the statement said. As for Abu Raghd, he led the foreign fighters cell and was in charge of planning and implementing attacks against the multinational force. As for Abu Salman and Abu Usama, they were both leaders of the local Al-Qaeda branch in the Hasseiba.
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Armed men killed a dozen Iraqi civilians Saturday northeast of the capital city, said Iraqi police. Police said that the gunmen carried out the deadly attack at a location on the highway connecting the regions of Balduz and Daniah, northeast of Baghdad. Police quoted eyewitnesses saying that an armed group stopped a car loaded with travelers and opened fire on them. A woman managed to escape the assault, as a man and a child with serious wounds were taken to a hospital in Baaqubah, added the police.
In the meantime, US forces in Iraq arrested three insurgents north of Balad city after storming houses in the city's outskirts. The forces seized four bombs, six mortars, and some missiles. The detainees were suspected of carrying out an attack in the city yesterday. American troops also found a dead body on a river's bank in the suburb of Peji. The body was tied up and blindfolded, with bullet marks on the head. It was transferred to a military base in an attempt to figure out its identification.
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A woman managed to escape the assault, as a man and a child with serious wounds were taken to a hospital in Baaqubah, added the police.
Up to 180 terrorists escaped from Husaiba in Iraq to Syria as the military campaign known as Operation Steel Curtain got underway, Iraqi Minister of Defense Dr. Sadun Al-Dulaimi said on Saturday. Al-Dulaimi noted that the military operation aims at sealing off the borders between Iraq and Syria against the infiltration of terrorists. He added that Syria should stop the infiltration of foreign fighters from Syria into Iraq, noting that the Iraqi authorities have 400 detainees who said that they were trained in Syria before entering Iraq.
Meanwhile, the minister said that the anti-terror law will be implemented soon, noting that those who aid or abet terrorists in Iraq will be punished along with terrorists and will have their houses demolished.
oh, THAT's gonna get the LLL's panties in a bunch ...
Now that the Israelis are out of Gaza, they must have a few dozers for loan ...
The Iraqi National Assembly approved an anti-terror law, while the Ministry of Interior announced that the law will be implemented after the Eid holidays. The law defines terrorism as "any criminal act committed by an individual or a group with the inherent intent to destabilize the nation", and states that any act included in the definition will be punished by execution.
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Note that Sadun al Diulaimi is a Sunni who took over the post of Defense Minister in the last shuffle earlier (May? June?) this year.
From the Boob: "Mr Dulaimi's family has its roots in the western al-Anbar province - the heartland of the anti-US insurgency led by Sunnis.
A former officer in Saddam Hussein's army, he is a respected psychologist and statistician who has spent many years abroad and was active in the opposition to Saddam Hussein."
Oh yeah, I'm buying.
In this Boob Profile we find: "He was born into a wealthy family and one of Iraq's most influential tribes in the town of Ramadi in 1954."
And this is in there, too: "He became active in opposition to Saddam Hussein, who sentenced him to death in absentia and confiscated his assets.
Returning from exile in 2003, he set up the Baghdad-based Centre for Research and Strategic Studies. The centre conducted most of the country's opinion polls, which have shown increasing dissatisfaction with the US occupation.
Correspondents say Mr Dulaimi was highly critical of the rule of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the administration of the US-led occupying forces set up immediately after Saddam Hussein's fall."
Yep, he was a great choice for Defense Minister, privvy to the most sensitive military plans and intel. Gee, I wonder where they got the heads-up to boogie?
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Wonder how well our 'observations' were watching these cockroaches run back into the arms of mother Syria. Should have an idea where they're going to crowd making any strike into Syria sure to show their rotting corpses as justification for the destruction of the Damascus Regime.
The US military has said its major offensive along the Syrian border in western Iraq has met with some resistance. Dubbed Operation Steel Curtain, the offensive comprises about 3500 troops and includes for the first time units of Iraq's military, numbering about 1000, in what the US insists are joint operations in the al-Anbar province. US and Iraqi forces say they "have encountered sporadic resistance - mostly small arms fire and improvised explosive devices". The US military also said only specific targets were selected and there were no reports of military or civilian casualties. There were fatalities among fighters, the US military added.
At least nine air strikes were called on positions described as "enemy strong points", and a separate strike was carried out against a suspected car bomb, a US military statement said. Iraqi scouts, described as "specially recruited soldiers from the al-Qaim region," are embedded with the frontline units "and are helping to identify fighter strong points and areas known to contain these homemade bombs". The operation involves 1000 Iraqi army soldiers as well as 2500 marines, sailors and soldiers in what the US military called "the largest concentration of Iraqi army forces to take part in an operation in al-Anbar this year".
Steel Curtain follows two earlier operations, Iron Fist and River Gate, also along the Euphrates valley in al-Anbar province. The US command said there were no reports of casualties among American or Iraqi government forces. Residents and local leaders say US bombardment in the Husaiba area were endangering civilians and could lead to greater instability throughout the country.
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The armed wing of the ruling Fatah party, Aksa Martyrs Brigades, on Sunday became the first Palestinian group to publicly endorse Iran's call to eliminate Israel.
In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group voiced full support for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statements in which he said that Israel "must be wiped off the map."
Ahmadinejad also warned Arab countries against developing economic ties with Israel in response to its withdrawal form the Gaza Strip, which he dubbed as a "trick."
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury," he was quoted as saying. "Any [Islamic leader] who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."
The leaflet by the Fatah group is the first of its kind since the Iranian president's speech. Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which are believed to be receiving financial aid from Iran, have refrained from reacting to the call to wipe Israel off the map.
"We affirm our support and backing for the positions of the Iranian president toward the Zionist state which, by God's will, will cease to exist," said the leaflet. "Recognizing Israel's right to exist means underestimating the Palestinian people, who are making daily sacrifices to liberate Palestine and Jerusalem."
The Fatah group also hailed Ahamdinejad's appeal to the Palestinians to unite their ranks so they would be able to destroy Israel.
Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah told the Jerusalem Post that the leaflet does not reflect the stance of the PA or its chairman, Mahmoud Abbas. "We strongly condemn the leaflet," said one official. "We believe it does not even reflect the position of the Aksa Martyrs Brigades."
The PA is now in the process of incorporating hundreds of gunmen from the Aksa Martyrs Brigades into the PA security forces. Last month the PA cabinet decided to set up five training camps in the West Bank to prepare the gunmen for their new missions. The PA's plan is supported by both the US and Israel.
In a related development, Professor Abdel Sattar Kassem of An-Najah Univeristy in Nablus lashed out at the US, Britain, France and Israel for expressing their revulsion at the Iranian leader's remarks.
"These aggressive countries, which specialize in political fraud and the exploitation of other people, did not express reservations when Palestine was wiped off the map in 1948," he said.
"Millions of Palestinian refugees have been living for the past 60 years under harsh conditions so that Israel could continue to exist. And these countries, which have been emphasizing their keenness about human rights, insist on preventing these refugees from returning to their homes and property. Israel remains an alien organ in the Arab and Muslim region."
In another development, a Palestinian preacher on Friday delivered a sermon in the southern Gaza Strip in which he saluted Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
According to a report by the Palestine News Network, the sermon was delivered by Dr. Jamil Mutawi, a senior representative of Hamas.
"May God bless Sheikh Osama bin Laden and Sheikh Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who are both leading the jihad against the Zionist entity and against American domination of the world," he reportedly told worshippers on the second day of the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr.
rtwt
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In the Second World War, thousands of "Palestinian" Arabs recruited by the Mufti of Jerusalem (Qadi of the Al Aqsa Mosque) fought for Hitler in units like Sonderverbands 286 and 287, and the German Arab Legion from North Africa to Southern Russia. A pity "Palestine" wasn't treated like Prussia after World War II. It would have saved a lot of trouble all around.
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Come to think of it, can't remember the last time I saw a muzzi at the Holocaust Memorial Museum?
Not to worry, at the rate things are going, soon enough they're going to have one of their very own. The only difference is that people will come to have celebratory picnics on its lawn. Here's my vote for locating the restrooms directly over the mass grave.
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Come to think of it, can't remember the last time I saw a muzzi at the Holocaust Memorial Museum?
If you had been following the news the last few years, you'd know that they have, in fact visited Holocaust Museums. Some of them have even left snarky messages in the visitor logs, things like, "Hitler didn't do enough".
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Perhaps because of this? (I keep getting roadsideamerica.com everytime I try and link an image using the IMG tag. It's a picture of the Mufti and Adolf...
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What is puzzling is that these dodos don't comprehend that if an Iranian nuke was to land in Israel, it wouldn't follow the sliver like pattern of the Eretz Israel, but project outward radially.
That sounds a little too much like Iran's approach, SR-71.
twobyfour, please try and remember that we're dealing with those who glorify, nay, even revere violent death. Iran's Ahmadinejad cares not that his entire country might be immolated so long as hated Israel meets its end.
Palestinians, with their penultimate culture of death, cannot be far behind Iran's mullahs in their willingness to be incinerated for the cause of Israel's destruction. It is time for Israel to make the Palestinians' wish come true. Who can blame the IDF if all the ensuing destruction happens to be rather lopsided?
With Israel's possession of atomic weapons now a given, it may well be in their best interest to let all Middle East nations know that a single nuclear explosion upon Israeli soil will result in a swath of destruction from Pakistan to Northern Africa. With so many of the Muslims' eggs suddenly thrust into a single rather fragile basket, the wisdom of tacitly sanctioning Iran's suicidal obsession with Israel's destruction might be called into more vocal question.
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Z - Yes, it sounds like Iran'--s approach. And your point is?
I believe that this is what the West is facing if it intends to survive. Islam is the Scientology of the 7th century, codified in the 9-10th centuries to act as glue for the Arab conquest.
Islam has always been about conquest, rape, and plunder - nothing else. If the movement in question is motivated by Islam, it must be destroyed.
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Z - Yes, it sounds like Iran'--s approach. And your point is?
Just trying to make sure you're not waving that indiscriminate banner under American colors. Let the Arabs wallow in their death cult. We've no need of it. They seem to be rather accomplished at self-defeat as it stands.
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I'm not convinced the Mullahs think they'll be hurt in a military exchange. They expect an Iran-Iraq fight where the fodder die and the MM's continue to enrich themselves. I'd hope we could attack their bank accounts, identify and destroy their assets, possessions, homes, extended families and take the war to the MM's directly
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Frank G - I have a real problem with your method.
IT TAKES TOO LONG and the COURTS LET TOO MANY OFF THE HOOK!
Copy the Hackers -
PUT THEIR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBERS, CREDIT CARDS and such in L0PHT type places..
maybe start with USENET's
alt.revenge
alt.*hack*
*money*
....
oh and spin it into the reverse Nigerian letter:
Hi I finance terror from my safe palace in Saudi. The CIA has discovered my Secret Swiss Bank Account Number xx.xxx.xx.xx.xx and password asfdaty
Please! I can't let the monies fall into their Infidel hands and I can't get near a computer. Take the money now so the CIA can't get it!
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So all these Islamic death cult outfits are getting frisky. They think that they are on a roll. I think that the real war is starting, but after that I don't know what the leaders really think.
1. Do the MMs and leaders think that they can use up their fodder and be safe. You know, like sending out glorious suicide martyrs⢠and stay home in the safety of their homes and mosques and spew out the same hate.
2. Do the MMs and other higher ups believe their own sh*t and are willing to go down in one big fireworks show?
Understanding how they think (oxymoron alert!) will tailor our response. But bottom line, both point to decapitation strikes, sooner or later. I wonder what the schedule is.
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Islam has always been about conquest, rape, and plunder - nothing else
You forgot Pedophilia, Slavery, Murder... The Profit Mohammed did all of these things.
Personally I think the MM has been believing their own propaganda. Think about it - they are 'Big fish' in their own little ponds - catered to and feared by all that they survey (at home).
Saddam was this was with his 'mother of all battles'. Kimmie-boy-the-brave-baby-killer is the high priest (and 1st follower) of his own personality cult. Even John F'kin Kerry had it when he and TeRAYsa had a 'chili-dog' with the 'common people'....
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I think the Mullahs think the same way Osama bin Laden thought: make the irreversible gesture to drag Allah into the fight... at which point Allah naturally destroys His enemies while holding His Faithful Followers in the safety of the hollow of His hand. Unfortunately for wannabe Caliph Osama the First, Allah did not deem his effort worthy. But the Mullahs, being the True Believers, harbour no worries on that score.
All their classic bazaar maneuvering and tribal connections make these people seem familiar, if different from us. It's important to remember that at base they are not; the Mullahs, as with the Al Qaeda inner core, really believe that their god can and will -- nay must -- take a personal hand in this Final Battle for the soul of Mankind. So they are free to fling around nuclear holocausts and worldwide plagues, because Allah will make sure there isn't any consequence for them for such actions.
Let's not forget also, as Elder of Zion pointed out recently, Israel is so small that the first nuke will destroy her. While she may launch her own in a pre-detonation response, there will be very few Israelis left in the land to take satisfaction in the resulting destruction of her enemies.
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IS will survive any nuclear first strike TW. They will launch retaliatory strikes that will blow the holy kaabeh and most of the arab world into outer space, count on it. Thats one of the reasons the US has tried to keep the lid on the situation over there.
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I hope you are right, Besoeker, but God never promised that the Land of Israel would survive, only the People (who've been scattered to the four corners of the earth since Babylon conquered the half-kingdom of Israel in 486 B.C., and took away those who became the Ten Lost Tribes; never since have the entire People lived in the Land). And I've seen no evidence that contradicts what EoZ says, when he writes from that part of the world.
I know you only recently discovered the 'Burg, so you don't know everybody yet, and thus you haven't been able to take your own measure of their knowledgeability. Search Elder of Zion to find his posts, then make your own call, 'k?
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good note TW - the Mullahs are not educated in our world, and the stupid f*cking look on their faces when they provoke and receive their armaggeddon, while entertaining, doesn't justify the loss in innocnt life. I vote for intense wework and asset deprivation. These f&cks have raped the ecomonics of their people, and when leveleled to the canaille...shoud be fun, with less destruction to innocents
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TW: No disrepect intended, You may all be PhD's in international relations for all I know. All I know is wat I read in the little yellow boxes, so I extend my opinion accordingly. There appears to be some "seniority of comment" aire, sensitivity or no/whiskers - no knowledge attitude which I find somewhat amusing.
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Frank G - I agree, but it needs to happen now, not just be talked about. The longer that the West, and the even the more clear-eyed people here at Rantberg refuse to recognize the issue, and deal with it aggressively, the more likely that the destruction of the innocent, ours and theirs, becomes.
Regardless of whether the Mullahs understand the West, they envy and hate it. THEY know that they are in a death-match with it. I also care about the innocent, but I care about ours more.
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No disrespect thought of, Besoeker, truly! For all I know, you know waaaay more than anyone here except Master Fred, himself. It's just that I know EoZ is reporting from Israel as an Israeli, and all I can tell about you so far is that you seem to have been everywhere I know anything about. For that matter, you don't know terribly much about me either, yet, which makes it a little hard for you to judge how much I might know. That's why newcomers are challenged more -- those whose whiskers trail past their knees have learned the value of one another's comments already (my whiskers are only semi-luxuriant in this group; you should see the gorgeous set of beard and braided moustaches Frank G. has cultivated! As for .com, he joined the group with his already grown, to freak out the natives when he worked in Saudi Arabia. .com has a bit of a mischievious streak, I'm afraid).
#24
Besoeker, you have come to RB recently and are commenting a lot. That's fine - welcome.
But you've also been dissing - openly or through condescension - some longtime people here who have realworld experience behind their comments.
People who have led troops, worked in the intel community, lived in the middle east, know the Saudis / Israelis / French / whatever first hand.
So yeah, there is respect given to the opinions of those whose experience warrants it - whether or not any one of us automatically agrees with any particular opinion held by those who have earned that seniority.
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TW: Besoeker is a simple burger, I know very little other than wat I sees on TV and reads in the news papers. I don't know wat you know or who you know, that knows it. In fact, I don't know what I don't know. So, nou you know.
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Me? I'm just a simple little civilian housewife, who in her long ago innocent and sheltered youth married an engineer who commenced travelling around the world for a large civilian corporation, so finally I and our (eventually) two daughters followed him over to Europe for half a decade. Oh, and Daddy was involved in the establishment of Israel (his mother and Golda Meir used to kaffeeklatch together) and Mama spent the War in hiding in Holland, when she wasn't running errands for the Dutch Underground. Naturally enough, that makes me a first generation American, literate enough to get by, and darned good at pouring tea while listening appreciatively to everyone else's adventures. Much of what I know about the world I learned from those tales, and from those who post at Rantburg.
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" . . . against American domination of the world"
This political schema is mportant--when the Arabs sense "domination" they will fight against it, as it connects, at a very base level, to their more than 60% sexual abuse of children rate. Children grow up. An abstract "enemy" (i.e. assailant) is easier to confront than the mullah next door. By making their retaliation "politcal" they will have fuel for the fire that is pretty much inexhaustible. (Just some FYI.)
I ate walrus meat for lunch in Kivalina years ago. It was marbled in so much fat that marbled feedlot beef looks lean. You do not want to go there.....
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Never made it to Kivalina Paul. Made it to King Salmon, Kotzibu (sp), Galena, a few others. Ate some moose and bear meat, pretty good stuff.
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Kill em (islamonutzoids). Kill em all before they do the same unto the innocents anywhere in the world. France is enabling the islamonuts due to their self destructive culture of dialog (due to the coward gene). The killing will happen. Will it be the West doing it in self defense or the Islamonuts doing it to please their god?
All one has to do is imagine the nutzoids of Islam had the capability of wiping Isreal off the map instead of the other way around. Can any clear thinking person not come to the conclusion that the nutzoids would pull the trigger? We are just mentally masturbating if we think we can reason with this evil.
The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the military wing of the Fatah Movement on Saturday claimed responsibility of firing two 80-millimeter mortar shells at the Kfar Azza settlement, east of Gaza City. The brigades said in a statement the shelling took place last night to retaliate to the assassination by Israel of the brigades' leader Nabil Massoud, killed by Israeli occupation troops two weeks ago in the Jabalia refugee camp.
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Obviously, they missed everything. If they weren't an implacable Hate Machine, they would be laughable, pathetic. Since even a fuckwit Paleo can get lucky and actually hit something, I guess the Israelis will have to kill the new leader. I'd suggest they short-circuit this endless game and lay waste to Gaza, but I might be branded as bloodthirsty.
After almost 60 years of this insanity, it should be abundantly clear that there will never be peace there by diplomatic means. The Paleo Hate Machine makes that impossible. This will only end when one side is wiped out.
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Israel sells potable water to the Palestinian Authority (PA), esp since the Paleos overpumped their wells and made them saline. If there is not any PA, then Israel I guess could say that they have no authority to sell to i/a/w Oslo and just shut off the spigot. Not a bad idea. Would get the Paleo's attention. France is occupied with their own troubles, so there would not be too much flack from them at the moment. Also Israel sells electricity to the PA in Gaza.
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Waitasec. Don't they mean an Israeli "town". If it was in Gaza, it would be a "settlement", but it is in Israel proper.
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The brigades said in a statement the shelling took place last night to retaliate to the assassination by Israel of the brigades' leader Nabil Massoud, killed by Israeli occupation troops two weeks ago in the Jabalia refugee camp.
Israel really needs to abandon any regard for whatever "cycle of violence" their Arab or European critics continually squawk about. If the Palestinians do not have some quasi-legitimate motive for Dire Revengeâ¢, they will simply fabricate one out of whole cloth.
Remember the exploding missile truck during their little parade festivities? Even though Abbas had the stones to dig qassam fuselage shrapnel out of the victims, the Palestinians still insisted it was an Israeli rocket attack.
In light of al Aqsa's recent declaration of alignment with Ahmadinejadâs declared intention that Israel should be âwiped off the mapâ, the IDF needs to abandon all pretense of reciprocity and simply begin a rapid, steady and unrelenting campaign of extermination against all al Aqsa, Hamas and Hizbullah leadership. The Palestinian Authority is actually trying to incorporate al Aqsa into their own security forces. If this is not sufficient indication of just how out of control things are, then Israel should concede the fight right now.
Inhumanity seems to be a strong suit for the Palestinians. I'm ready to agree that Israel should shut off all potable water and electrical mains to the Palestinian terrortories and let them slowly twist in the breeze. Such a measure must be viewed as simple self-preservation. No more feeding the hand that bites them.
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These people really are useless. They've had 60 years to 'perfect' their weapons and it seems they can't even hit a *town*.
Thankfully no humans were hurt in this incident, but unfortunately no work accidents or counter-battery detonations to report either. The counter-battery stuff must be getting pretty good, how long does it take to fire two mortar rounds? 10 seconds? I guess the Paleos have figured out that hanging around to ululate after the valiant strike against the Zionists tends to reduce the probability of a repeat performance. Heh!
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Israel needs to clean out these two cesspits sometimes illogically referred to as "Gaza" and the "West Bank". There should not be one person left alive in either enclave, unless they've fled elsewhere when it starts. THEN put up a very heavily electrified fence - about 7000 volts at 260 amps, with buried leads 200 feet deep every foot. Every time Israel's attacked after that, take an additional foot from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, or Jordan, until those countries are small remainders of what they once were. I will gladly volunteer to smack anybody in the United States that objects right in the teeth with my trusty hickory axehandle.
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Philippine police apologized Sunday for reporting that a senior leader of the al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf rebel group had been arrested in a southern province, saying that operatives only caught a "look-alike".
Director General Arturo Lomibao, national police chief, said the reported arrest of Abu Sayyaf leader Radulan Sahiron was part of the "hits and misses" of the "long, tedious and emotional battle" against terrorism.
"We apologise for the unintentional oversight, all in a day's work, if we may add," he said in a statement. "But the incident highlights key important elements in the government's fight against terrorism. One, the war on terror is personal and passionate."
"Two, the war on terror is continuing and sustained," he added.
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Security forces captured yesterday a top leader of the Abu Sayyaf group in the southern Philippines, officials said. Officials said police and military captured Radulan Sahiron, wanted both by the Philippines and United States for the series of terrorism and kidnappings in the region. Security officials did not say where Sahiron was arrested, but previous military reports claimed the one-armed Abu Sayyaf leader was hiding in the southern island of Jolo.
President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo lauded security forces for arresting Sahiron, who has a five-million-peso bounty for his capture. âI would like to commend our police and soldiers because at 4:30 p.m. they caught the notorious Abu Sayyaf leader Radullan Sahiron, who has five million pesos on his head,ââ the president said on government television station NBN 4. âThis intelligence project has been on for a long time, from way back to the time of Secretary Eduardo Ermita who was then Defense Secretary. Now he (Sahiron) is caught, congratulations to police Col. Mendoza,â she said.
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Sorry to give you the bad news but they caught the wrong ONE-ARMED terrorist.
The Israeli defense minister denied military intentions repeatedly when asked if Israel no longer had the military option it once had against Iraqâs Osirak reactor- because the Iranian program is too complex, too spread out and dug in too deep. Mofaz stressed that the maximum possible to delay or stop Iranâs nuclear capability must be achieved by diplomacy and UN Security Council pressure.
Also Sunday, the EU informed Tehran there will be no talks so long as Iran refuses to suspend its fuel cycle work. Talks were broken off in August after Iran resumed uranium conversion activities. Tehran has since announced it would soon embark on fresh nuclear fuel activities and was seeking foreign and domestic investors. I suspect this means that Israel has accepted US multi-layered anti-missile defense, most likely on the prospect that if Iran launches, it missile(s) would be intercepted, then Iran would be given an ultimatum by the US and possibly others. By not conducting either a pre-emptive conventional attack, or a nuclear retaliation, Israel would be fianlly be free of its worst potential enemy. If the missile gets through, of course, all bets are off.
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Jeeze Louise. Sure, Israel is going to say,"Hey we have a military plan under wraps and we are gonna impliment it."
You're right---Debka. Lots of strikeouts, but a few homers from time to time.
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This is based on previous experience. Remember how the US bargained with Israel not to attack Iraq in GWI by deploying serious assets to take out the SCUDs?
How much would the US offer for Israel to not use nukes?
Most likely the US has concluded a unilateral attack against Iran is too problematic, so it couldn't offer that.
But the only other thing the US could offer that would be of value to Israel is a guarantee both that Israel would be protected, and that Iran would no longer threaten them.
It is a brinksmanship threat, but a good deal for Israel. Israel reserves the right to retaliate if even a single missile gets through, so it loses nothing--it would have done that, anyway. But if it just sits on its hands and lets the US try, then it wins big time. Israel loses its last major enemy in the region.
The US, and maybe one or more of the other UNSC powers either turns against Iran, and supports the US in its action, or else they have agreed ahead of time to abstain.
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Israel, and Israel alone, is currently in the nuclear crosshairs of a genocidal Islamist regime. The IDF owes no-f&%king-body the least explanation of what they do or do not intend to do about it. Israel is completely within its rights to notify the entire Middle East that one single nuclear capable missile with a launch track targeted upon Israel will be all that is required for them to launch-on-notice and reduce every neighboring Arab country to smoking luminescent glass.
The thundering silence of tacit Arab approval over Ahmadinejadâs threat to wipe Israel off the map deserves nothing less than an overt policy of payment in kind.
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Zenster: for Israel, braggadocio accomplishes nothing. First of all, it is a declaration that they are a nuclear power, which opens them up to all sorts of diplomatic attacks. Second, all the Arab and Persian leaders already know that Israel is both nuclear and willing to wipe out their world. Third, and most important of all, the Mullahs don't care.
Actually, my projected scenario doesn't really involve Israel at all. The more important enemy, from the Iranians point of view, are any US fleets in the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and Mediterranean. It figures that if it could neutralize such a fleet, most likely in the straits, pinning up all oil exports; then bog down the US ground forces in southern Iraq, it could haggle its way to its main objective: to get the US out of the Middle East.
It figures that once the US has left in disgust, Iran has all the time in the world to attack Israel, by proxy. The death of a thousand cuts, with no nuclear weapons needed.
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Actually, my projected scenario doesn't really involve Israel at all. The more important enemy, from the Iranians point of view, are any US fleets in the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and Mediterranean. It figures that if it could neutralize such a fleet, most likely in the straits, pinning up all oil exports; then bog down the US ground forces in southern Iraq, it could haggle its way to its main objective: to get the US out of the Middle East.
I hope this scenario never becomes reality. Harpoons to the Paks plays into this also.
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Anonymoose, I really, really, really hope you and Besoeker and Frank are correct. Debka is not a comforting source, and I'm taking it all a little too personally, I guess. My apologies to all for that.
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"taking it too personally?" That is almost impossible. Human civilization as we know it may well hang on the decisions and outcomes of these next few years. I believe we are rapidly approaching a crossroads on this ME issue. The problem set has now gone global.
Bagram airbase is home to one of the most heavily fortified military prisons in the world. Located in the shadow of the Hindu Kush about 30 miles north of Kabul, the facility holds hundreds of alleged jihadists at the center of three tight rings of security, surrounded by U.S. and Afghan troops. To enter and leave Bagram one has to pass through a labyrinth of concrete and dirt-filled-wire barriers that are overlooked by two-storey-high observation posts. The prisoners, dressed in orange jumpsuits, are kept in wire cages in the middle of an old warehouse, somewhat like Hannibal Lecter in "Silence of the Lambs." The warehouse in turn is ringed by razor wire and finally the fences and guard posts of the airbase itself.
Yet in the early morning hours of July 11, 2005, U.S. officials say, four of these brightly attired men somehow penetrated each of the three security cordons and slipped through a Soviet-era minefield just outside the base, one purposely left active. Then the escapees disappeared into the darkness, managing even to elude local Tajik villagers who are generally hostile to foreign fighters. It was, almost everyone agreed, an astonishing feat. "If this really happened as reported, it makes the Great Escape of World War II look like an Outward Bound exercise," said one U.S. defense analyst familiar with detainee operations who would speak only if he were not named.
On wanted posters that were displayed around Bagram at the time, the escapees were identified vaguely as foreigners who had come to join Al Qaeda in Afghanistanâa Kuwaiti, a Syrian, a Libyan and a Saudi. But last week Pentagon officials were forced to admit that one of the fugitives was not who they said he was. Originally identified as one Mahmoud Ahmad Mohammed of Kuwait, he was actually Omar al-Faruq, a well-known Qaeda leader in Southeast Asia who had been handed over to the Americans by Indonesian authorities in 2002. Faruq's true identity emerged after a defense lawyer at the Texas trial of a U.S. soldier accused of brutality at Bagram called Faruq as a witnessâonly to be told by the U.S. Army he was no longer there.
What really happened at Bagram last July? No one knows, or at least those who know aren't saying. But coming at a time when America's detention policies in the global war on terror are under fire, Faruq's disappearance raises new questions about whether a system with so little transparency, accountability and oversight can continue. Bagram is an open book compared with those secret facilities around the world that are run by the CIA but not publicly acknowledged. Anywhere from two dozen to 100 prisoners are held at these sites with no prospect of release, according to official U.S. accounts and Human Rights Watch. Even at the agency, "senior people are saying we've got to have an endgame to this," says one career CIA official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "This isn't sustainable."
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told NEWSWEEK that he was not authorized to provide any details about the escape. "Clearly it wasn't the U.S. military's finest hour," Whitman said. But he added: "This is a field facility. It isn't Rikers [Island]. This is not the first time that prisoners have escaped from military facilities in Afghanistan as well as Iraq." But few Afghans seem to believe an escape from Bagram is possible, and that has given rise to rumors about the July 11 breakout. According to one fugitive Taliban commander interviewed by a NEWSWEEK reporter last week, the four men were actually exchanged in secret for captured U.S. special-operations troops. Whitman called that account "absolutely absurd and completely untrue."
U.S. officials believe that Faruq and his three companions likely had some inside help, perhaps from local hires at the base. Two U.S. counterterrorism officials also sought to play down Faruq's importance. One official, who would speak only if he were not identified, said Faruq had been held elsewhere in the secret U.S. detention system overseas but was then transferred to Bagram, which normally houses ordinary foot soldiers in the jihadist movement.
Yet this seemed to contradict previous accounts in which Bush administration officialsâbefore Faruq got awayâemphasized his stature in Al Qaeda. "He was the top Qaeda guy in Southeast Asia," says Zachary Abuza, an expert on Asian jihadist groups at Simmons College in Boston. "He was one of first guys who was part of the CIA's rendition program," in which terror suspects are ferried abroad.
The Indonesians also believe Faruq is quite a big fishâand still very dangerous. Born in Kuwait, Faruq married into the family of a founder of Jemaah Islamiah, a regional terrorist group blamed for deadly suicide bombings on Bali in 2002 and again last month, among other terror attacks. In June 2002, Indonesian intelligence officers arrested Faruq and handed him over to U.S. officials. They have come to regret it. Because the Bush administration has viewed this as a war without traditional rules, it has largely denied Jakarta and other governments legal access to detainees like Faruq. Jakarta repeatedly requestedâbut never gotâthe right to question Faruq to support its legal case against the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, Abu Bakar Bashir. Partly as a result, Indonesian prosecutors were never able to prove that Bashir headed Jemaah Islamiah, and in 2004 he was sentenced to only 30 months.
Much remains to be learned about the great escape from Bagram. But the tale may bolster the case of those who argue that handling detainees in such an extralegal, secretive way is only hurting the antiterror campaign. After a few months, most detainees are milked of all intelligence value and are useful mainly as witnesses, terror experts say. "There has got to be some resolution," says the CIA official. Omar al-Faruq, at least, may have found a way to resolve his own case.
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You be the man Omar, now lets go over those contact times again, shall we?
Seven suspected militants, including some foreigners, were killed on Saturday when they triggered an explosion while making bomb parts in a Pakistani tribal region near the Afghan border, the Pakistan military said.
Military spokesman Major-General Shaukat Sultan said the militants, two of them women, were killed making detonators in a house near Miranshah, capital of the North Waziristan region.
"Some foreigners were amongst those killed, but we have no information on their origin," Sultan said.
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My, my, they're getting careless, aren't they?
And women are involved, maybe not ready for prime time?
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Sorry mate. When they get away from cooking, child care, and housekeeping, bad things always seem to happen. Cutting charges, crimping caps, and measuring time fuse is a man's job.
Thousands marched through Morocco's biggest city on Sunday to protest al Qaeda's decision to kill two Moroccan hostages in Iraq.
Holding banners and chanting "Muslims are brothers. A Muslim does not kill his brother" and "'Yes' to freedom, 'No' to terrorism and barbarity", the protesters marched through Casablanca, a city of 6 million and Morocco's financial capital.
Al Qaeda has said it decided to kill the Moroccan embassy employees, Abderrahim Boualem and Abdelkrim al Mouhafidi because of Morocco's support for the U.S.-backed Iraqi government.
Top Moroccan officials, ministers, pro-government and opposition party leaders and trade unions and rights groups, led the protest to put pressures on al Qaeda to free the two men.
Some members of Islamist parties which back Iraqi insurgents fighting U.S.-led forces in Iraq also joined the march.
"All Moroccans are with Iraq, all Moroccans are innocent," the marchers chanted.
Morocco's influential organisation of Islamic scholars, known as the High Council of the Ulema and the Councils of Ulema in the Moroccan Kingdom, dismissed al Qaeda's argument that its verdict to kill the two embassy employees was "God's judgment".
"The two Moroccans would be considered martyrs if this iniquitous verdict were to be carried out as they were carrying out a duty assigned to them by their nation and legitimate state," the Moroccan Islamic body said on Saturday.
Organisers and local government officials said more than 150,000 people took part in the peaceful march while reporters said the anti-Qaeda protesters numbered more than 10,000.
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"Muslims are brothers. A Muslim does not kill his brother. Just kill Infidels instead."
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al Qaeda wants to fight on all fronts. It means that we pick up more help all the time. This is good. Of course, this is also happens to people who so openly accept criminals to do thier dirty work. Criminals are very hard to control, especially ones who believe they are fighting for a cause. al Qaeda, at least Osama, appears to be losing control. That's good.
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Highlighting the joyous abandon with which Muslims kill their fellow Muslims is about the only thing al Qaeda is good for. Keep it up, guys. At some point you're going to strip America of its crown as The Great Satan and have it all to yourselves.
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Right on, Zenster, heh heh. Being the Great Satan⢠is an awesome responsibility. It is such a burden. What we need is a way to throw this Ring in the Fire of Mt. Doom, metaphorically speaking....or maybe literally....Ima so confusr.
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NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - Pirates armed with grenade launchers and machine guns tried to hijack a luxury cruise liner off the east African coast Saturday, but the ship outran them, officials said. Two boats full of pirates approached the Seabourn Spirit about 100 miles off the Somali coast and opened fire while the heavily armed bandits tried to get onboard, said Bruce Good, spokesman for the Miami-based Seabourn Cruise Line, a subsidiary of Carnival Corp. The ship escaped by shifting to high speed and changing course.
``These are very well-organized pirates,'' said Andrew Mwangura, head of the Kenyan chapter of the Seafarers Assistance Program. ``Somalia's coastline is the most dangerous place in the region in terms of maritime security.''
Which is why you send cruise ships there.
The attackers never got close enough to board the Spirit, but one member of the 161-person crew was injured by shrapnel, cruise line president Deborah Natansohn said. The vessel's 151 passengers, mostly Americans with some Australians and Europeans, were gathered in a lounge for their safety, Good said. None were injured. ``Our suspicion at this time is that the motive was theft,'' Good said, adding that the crew had been trained for ``various scenarios, including people trying to get on the ship that you don't want on the ship.''
Theft? Really? Pirates interested in theft?
The British news agency Press Association said passengers awoke to the sound of gunfire as two 25-foot inflatable boats approached the liner. Edith Laird of Seattle, who was traveling with her daughter and a friend, told the British Broadcasting Corp. in an e-mail that her daughter saw the pirates out the window. ``There were at least three rocket-propelled grenades that hit the ship, one in a state room,'' Laird wrote. ``We had no idea that this ship could move as fast as it did and (the captain) did his best to run down the pirates.''
"Hey Mom! Check this out! What will those Disney guys think of next on our cruise?!"
The Spirit was bound for Mombasa, Kenya, at the end of a 16-day voyage from Alexandria, Egypt. It was expected to reach the Seychelles on Monday, and then continue on its previous schedule to Singapore, company officials said.
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2 25 ft. Zodiacs, RPGs? Hummmm, not your usual run of long knives and rebar welding ruffians.
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I don't understand (coming from Kentucky) why ships in this area don't have a gun locker. If they were inflatable boats, one round of 12ga. buckshot would end their little party very quickly. And a 25ft boat trying to come alongside wouldn't be very hard to hit with a shotgun. Allah Akbar!!! Glub, glub, blub.
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Living in KY myself and the overwealming public support of the concealed weapons permit program, I think the bad boys would be out gunned by the ladies of KY in short order, let alone the sidearms the men are carrying. But as AQ continues to grow in Somalia, it wont be long before they get their boat, be it a cruise liner or oiler.
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There's great commercial potential here, picture a cruise line offering "pirate" hunting cruises and vets manning the rails with Remington M40A1's. Helen, Helen, damn it... hand me those Zeiss 15x45's. I tell you I SEE something!
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Besoeker---Your marketing idea for al Q skeet shooting has potential. Cruises for the adventurous at heart. Troll for terrorists. Only trouble is that the Terrs will up the ante. Kinda like a reality show with real injuries. Since we do not have control of al Q in Somalia, financiers may not want to venture capital to the criuse ship lines for the idea.
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Good point Paul, but all good things come to an end. How many crochet sets do you think Sports Authority sold last year? Timing is everything. Get in early, build a market base, go with an IPO, and get out before it escalates to submarines.
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why not let this be a cruise promotion tool? Issue shotguns, tridents, crossbows, etc. based on lotery, then sail close to Somalia or Straits of Molucca. Exciting gifts based on kills could be issued! Bet the piracy or hostage taking would diminish
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I'm not so sure .... when Mama worked as a therapist in the Veteran's Hospital during the Korean War, her techniques to restore fine motor coordination included teaching the guys to knit, crochet and needlepoint. I cannot imagine a bad guy successfully messing with one of our Marines armed with a needlepoint hoop and a threaded needle. ;-)
#14
I still like the Q-ship idea. Or just mount a Phalanx on the cruise ships, and when these little boats pull up, turn it on manual and see how fast the R2D2's turn "Zodiac Patrol Craft" into red froth with crunchy bits.
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Ever hear of JTF Horn of Africa? Couple of F/A 18s, some good Cobras or Apaches...now that's hunting!
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Good point, OM, forgot about the forces in Djibouti and the neighborhood, trying to keep al Q from spreading.
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Weapons aboard are OK in territorial waters, but you tend to get in trouble once you reach port. I've seen several stories over the years of Americans who have been packing in pirate infested waters, only to end up spending the rest of their lives in jail when they got inspected in [fill in third shithole of your choice here].
MD Tahir strikes again!
According to the daily Pakistan, the great Pakistani lawyer and stormy petrel of the Lahore courts MD Tahir sent legal notices to religion minister Ijazul Haq and information minister Sheikh Rashid because they did not ban TV channels showing singer Shehzad Roy singing the song titled Saali tu maani nahin. He said the song would ruin the new generations. Already, 6-year olds were running around the streets singing the obscene song. He noted with satisfaction that PTV had already banned the song.
Halaku Khan, the other Asghar Khan
Writing in Khabrain, Shaukat Ali Shaukat revealed that he was a great friend of Asghar Khan, the police officer whose method of work was so cruel that he was called Halaku Khan (Killer Khan). He was a good friend of the columnist but because of his feudal style and notorious activity, the columnist had kept away from him. But Halaku Khan rang him recently and started crying over the phone. Now the columnist was sure that the great Halaku will be present at his funeral.
Only clerics can be members of parliament!
Quoted in the Nawa-e-Waqt, MMA leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman said in Sargodha that only clerics could be members of parliament because under the Constitution, only those who understood the fundamentals of Islam were qualified to be MNAs. He said that apart from the clergy, no one was familiar with the fundamentals of Islam in light of the Constitution.
Qaziâs one lakh âhead-sellersâ
Writing in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Sarerahe stated that Qazi Hussain Ahmad of the MMA had announced that he had prepared one lakh sarfaroosh (sellers of heads or willing to die) vigilantes who will storm Islamabad, with the result that there will be no Musharraf on the eve of 2007 election. Sarerahe said that most people donât complete what they promise because they announce it beforehand. There was no space between the speech and action of Qazi Hussain Ahmad. If there was speech, there was no action; and if there was action, then there should be no speech.
Quran burnt in Sheikhupura
As reported in the daily Pakistan, the people of Rehmanpura in Sheikhupura were greatly incensed at learning that one Seema had burnt two copies of the Quran. They were gathering in front of her house beating their chests and thinking of ways and means to burn the offending woman. The woman herself said that her second marriage was on the rocks because her husband was subjecting her to magic spells, but the police said that she was quite sane but could be following the advice of some dabba pir (fake saint) to gain advantage from Satan by burning the Quran. The people appealed to the government to hang the woman in Sheikhupura or face the consequences of damage to public property.
India sending terrorists into South Waziristan
Writing in the Jang, Hamid Mir stated that he was in the Waziristan region where he learned that Indian-trained agents were penetrating into Pakistan across the Durand Line. In Parachinar, Kurram Agency, people were openly saying that Indians were training and sending terrorists into Pakistan. Parachinar had been resolutely opposed to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. When in 2001 the Taliban and Al Qaeda agents came to Parachinar, they were arrested by the locals and handed over to the authorities. In all, 110 Arabs were arrested. The majority Parachinar tribe (Shia Turi) was opposed to Al Qaeda because it had high literacy rate. In the past year, more than a hundred thousand Afghan refugees had left the area, about which the Parachinar people were very happy. But they were greatly upset over the Indians in Afghanistan sending terrorists into Pakistan. They said there was one youth who was paying money ($200) for every rocket fired on the Pakistan army.
Umar Sheikh was British agent!
According to the daily Pakistan, a former British minister had revealed that Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was involved in the killing of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi, was an agent trained by the British Intelligence Agencies. He was not being sentenced to death in Pakistan because the British intelligence agencies were opposed to it. He said that British agencies trained and sent 200 fighters to Kosovo with the help of an extremist organisation, Al Muhajiroun. He said that even 9/11 terrorists had been in touch with the CIA and British intelligence.
Culture minister promotes dance
Sarerahe wrote in the Nawa-e-Waqt that federal culture minister Muhammad Ali Durrani had sent instructions to universities that they should start courses in music and dance. It said that no one could accuse Mr Durrani of hypocrisy because if he dances himself, he is honestly asking everyone else to dance too. Pakistan had become self-sufficient in science; now it was time to catch up with dancing too.
A dream of Jews
Writing in the Jang, Abdul Qadir Hassan reproduced a dream from the book of Humera Maududi, daughter of the founder of Jamaat Islami. A Pakistani pilot dreamt that Makka and Madina had all been laid waste and the Prophet PBUH was saying his prayer outside the wasteland that was once Hijaz. The dreamer saw a staircase going underground. He went down and saw Jews clad in jangiya (loin cloth) with daggers in their hands cutting human bodies into small portions. Outside, the Prophet said: âDonât worry, this meat will not sell.â Maulana Maududi, interpreting the dream, said that the future will see conflict between Jews and Muslims but the air force will play an important part in this war.
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In my yut I had dreams of being described has a stormy petrel of the Lahore courts alas I am merely known has the weird white guy that killz all or gamz.
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learning that one Seema had burnt two copies of the Quran. They were gathering in front of her house beating their chests and thinking of ways and means to burn the offending woman.
Looks like they've overdosed on the Monty Python films again.....she's a witch,she's a witch
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MD Tahir strikes again!
