Somali police investigating a car bomb assassination attempt on the president arrested three suspected members of a fundamentalist Islamic group Thursday and recovered explosives, an official said. Police in three armored vehicles raided a house after a tip that the car used by the suicide bomber in the Sept. 18 assassination attempt had been seen leaving the residence on the day of the attack, Baidoa Gov. Ahmed Madey Issaq told The Associated Press.
One of the men seized was a prayer leader at a mosque in Baidoa, 150 miles northwest of the capital, Mogadishu. Baidoa is the only town held by Somalia's weak government. The government has been increasingly sidelined by the Islamic group, which controls Mogadishu.
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Years of violence over Sudan's war-torn Darfur region further escalated Thursday when government forces and the only rebel group to have signed a peace agreement aimed at ending the violence in the western region clashed in the capital's affluent twin city, the head of the UN in Sudan said. Tensions between Sudanese authorities and the rebel faction, whose leader joined the government after signing the Darfur Peace Agreement in May, degenerated into an open shootout in Omdurman, located across the Nile River from the capital of Khartoum, said Jan Pronk, who leads the UN's Sudanese mission. "The situation in Darfur is becoming worse and worse, that it has now reached Khartoum is just another proof of how bad things are," Pronk said.
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A group of assailants threw gasoline bombs at a mosque in a central Russian city early Thursday and scrawled extremist slogans on its fence, officials said. Police detained two suspects. The incident in Yaroslavl, about 240 kilometers (150 miles) northeast of Moscow, took place days after the same mosque was targeted in a similar attack and two synagogues were vandalized elsewhere in Russia, highlighting rising xenophobia in the country.
The attack Thursday caused a small fire at the mosque, which was extinguished by a guard. Assailants painted swastikas on the mosque's fence and scrawled slogans including "Wipe out the black" and "Glory to Russia, forward Slavs!" Police detained two college students aged 17-18 on suspicion of inciting hatred and humiliating human dignity, regional police said in a statement. Rustam Batrov, imam of the Yaroslavl mosque, condemned the attack.
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I don't think so. Upon the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire, I do not recall there being circuses (circi?) in which the pagans were fed to the lions. The muzzies do that sort of thing, bombing innocents, apparently because their religion says it's OK. Ours doesn't. It's part of what distinguishes us from them. Let's not change for their sake. Forgetting our religious heritage did not work well for Europe in the last century. Must we encourage them to repeat the mistake?
#5
To the extent that Militant Islam fights the west MILITARILY, as a nation we should respond with overwhelming force. To the extent that Islam infiltrates western culture and values, our culture should respond in kind to stop it's spread. Individually however, sectarian violence is never the answer. This degrades a man to the same level as the death-cultists.
"Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom. 12:21
#7
Russia is more right wing than left.
In the US, we would give them free trailers to live in and government cheese, and the ACLU would reach a climax over the whole affair.
I predict more of this until the muzzies are gone from Russia. Maybe I'll retire there.
#9
I have to agree with Nimble Spemble and mcsegeek1. This is not what Jesus would do. We should at least try to give these people a better answer than violence and death. Some of them might hear it.
#10
I don't think this is a good sign. It sounds more like the old Great Russian xenophobia and racism.
Now, if the imam had been preaching to kill the infidels and been stockpiling weapons, then, sure, lock everyone inside and then torch the place. Unless and until I know that's happening, it's not good.
#11
This is not what Jesus would do. We should at least try to give these people a better answer than violence and death. Some of them might hear it.
Jesus ended up on a cross. Christianity only came to the front when the General/Emperor Constantine having obtained his position by the sword, made it the state religion, backed by those same legions.
#17
For effect, i dont want rantburg to turn into a christian vs muslim debate using thousand year old txt's. No offence really intended but if ya want a soapbox to protelyse some god worshiping sect then here aint it.
I'll take the fighting fire with fire bait. It's true there are times you fight fire with fire, but generally burning down your own house defeats the purpose of that exercise.
#19
pink badger - I think this is a perfect place to discuss it. I haven't seen any rantburgers, myself included making alter calls. In case you haven't noticed, this is a war that pits the basic tenants of Western Socieity which are based on the tenants of Judeo/Christianity (law and tolerance) against the basic tenants of liberalism and Jihad (totaltariansim and intolerance).
#21
pihkalbadger, your hostility to all things religious is duly noted. However, You'll notice I did not insult your beliefs, and would only ask you to extend the same courtesy.
As to whether Rantburg is a good venue for discussing it, I've found it to be a delightful venue to discuss all kinds of things, with people who sometimes believe very differently than I do. It's called discourse.
As to soapboxes, when did I ever try to get on one and proselyte you? Discussing the religious ramifications of a thing is not proselyting, nor is quoting the scripture to illustrate a point.
I have many Jewish, agnostic, irreligious, and even atheistic friends here on Rantburg, and they don't find it necessary to throw insults. The point was that we Christians recognize imposters when we see them. You may disagree with this premise, but why insult my faith in order to do so?
Lastly, I'm sincerely happy that you aren't the one determining what is or is not appropriate here. Fred, Steve, etc. do that just fine.
#22
In such a war, tolerance is a weakness. We WILL adopt their methods or we WILL lose.
Your feel good methods will only allow the lunatics to stop and prepare to fight another day. This has been happening for centuries, and it has led directly to 9/11.
When the hell do you all wake up ?
The enemy is Islam. All colors and all flavors are bent on killing us. Just ask them; if there are only a few, they will smile and deny any such intentions, but if many, you'll be lucky to escape with your life. Retire this !
#23
This has been happening for centuries, and it has led directly to 9/11.
excuse me? Tolerance led to the peaceful society that we live in today. The only reason we are once again dealing with Jihad is because the current global nature of the world and petro dollars has put two civilizations, once separated by ideals in conflict with each other.
Remember not to breathe after you discharge that Halon extinguisher, especially if there are any open flames. While Russia's track record for xenophobia is dismal, it in no way diminishes the Islamic threat.
NS, when this Islamic wildfire marches up to your front door, you may want to start seeing the forest for the trees. Very soon, we may be obliged to light some serious back-burns, like deporting all un-naturalized Muslim immigrants or interning all naturalized non-native Muslim citizens. Until Islam renounces violent jihad and dhimmitude, our fight has not ended. If they refuse to renounce such vile tenets, then it must be a fight to the death.
Hint to anon: Distorting a poster's nym gives your arguments all the moral authority of a schoolyard taunt. You seem to have a nasty habit of baiting people. I'd advise that you get over yourself.
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All colors and all flavors are bent on killing us.
Nitpick: Not all brands of Islam are virulently anti-American, wxjames. Look at the Iraqi Kurds and the Ahmadi Muslims. The fact that these two sects comprise less than 1% of all Islam does remain relevant, but your blanket condemnation does not hold.
#27
yawn. I was just too lazy to go back and look up his wierd spelling. I'm not sure why you thought "pink badger" was such a big deal.
Your laziness betrays you, anon. If your brain cannot make the mental leap required to connect "pink" with "pinko", you'd probably best remain in the discussion pool's shallow end. Your baiting is equally repugnant to pihkalbadger 's inflammatory words.
Another hint: Please overcome your self-admitted lethargy and simply run your mouse across a person's nym at the bottom of their post, while holding down the left hand mouse button. After highlighting the string of characters in question, merely hit "Control C" and, at the appropriate location in the text of your own post, hit "Control V". If you are unable to follow these simple instructions, there's a nice short bus waiting for you out front.
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Zenster, you are correct about the Kurds, like I stated the other day, moderate muzzies confuse the shit outta me.
Anon, The only reason we are once again dealing with Jihad is because the current global nature of the world and petro dollars has put two civilizations, once separated by ideals in conflict with each other.
Does this explain the church burning rampage in Nigeria ? Are they all terrorists ? NO !
It's a war of Islam against all other beliefs. That's what it is all over, but they are not yet strong enough, or as in the case of Iraq, they are far too busy getting even with the other sects, whom are considered infidels anyway. Or, the ones making all the oil money are keeping their populations poor and focused on the Joooooos.
In the end, I predict we dare not allow Islam to continue without major rewriting of the Koran, and the end of the madrass brain washing of children.
#43
What one calls prostlyzing is another's correcting of the record. Religion IS a major factor in the War on Terror, and no less an authority than Dr. Victor Davis Hanson has remarked, in one of his books, that Christianity, strictly taken as a religion, interferes with and vitiates the Western Way of War. I couldn't think of a comback for that. And no less a liberal-lefty than Aris Katsaris has stated, in blunt terms, that when it comes to the War on Terror, that becoming a Christian was just plain stupid BECAUSE of what Jesus Preached. Everyone at my Church to which I've cited THAT fact to have never been able to come up with any good response either, and they don't even say "And that's the way it SHOULD BE."
I am no slouch when it comes to defending Christianity as a religion, but I think it does deserve being discussed at Rantburg as one BIG factor IMPEDING our ability to win the War on Islamofacists. I think that a good fraction of the one third of the American population who decided to stay neutral during the American Revolution used that as a personally good reason for doing so.
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Does this explain the church burning rampage in Nigeria ? Are they all terrorists ? NO !
That is a fair point, wxjames and in the end, if we are to win, I think that your conclusion is right - but it will be less a rewriting of the Koran than allowing for a new interpretation of it. At least that is the best we can hope for in our life time.
This is just my opinion. We need to fight and kill the soldiers of Jihad. We need to include in that fight those who finance it, organize it and spread the propaganda. But in the end, we have to bring them to understand the ideals that make a peaceful civilization possible.
#45
I am no slouch when it comes to defending Christianity as a religion, but I think it does deserve being discussed at Rantburg as one BIG factor IMPEDING our ability to win the War on Islamofacists
ok. I'll buy that even though I disagree. While you can find Christians who are pacifists and you can make the argument that Jesus was a pacifist, it is not a view held by all Christians. Rather most Christians believe that you need to fight against evil.
Look, there are several reasons I bring up religion on this board. None of them have to do with saving your souls. This is a board about the war on terror or against Islamofacism or whatever you want to call it. But I get tired of the bigotry and the misrepresentation of what a good majority of Americans believe in.
Second - I don't think many people have a clue as to what Christianity is about. For years the media culture has promoted this idea that Christianity is just a form of mental illness that drones follow blindly behind.
Like I said on this or another thread today, discussing Christianity is a bit like discussing accumulated interest. You have to grasp the deeper concept to discuss it with any authority at all. In a way, accumulated interest is a good example, I'm happy with it for the sake of this discussion. In both cases it requires a combination of understanding, faith, and action - you show some restraint to achieve a better return on down the road in both this world and the next. And not everyone has to understand either to benefit from taking advice from those who do.
But you do have to understand it to discuss it and be taken seriously by those who do.
#46
I'm the one who made the comment about what Jesus would do or not do and I don't apologize. If you don't believe in Jesus that's fine but like it or not Christianity had a lot to do with the development of Western Civilization and that is what we want to defend against Islamofacist barbarians, is it not? So, if we become an unruly mob that throws molotov coctails, are we any better than our enemies? I don't object to demolishing a mosque as a matter of government policy if you make sure the people are evacuated out of it first. Then you can burn the Korans and shoot the clerics if they preach jihad. But first try to make these people understand that there is a better way. I don't want to preach but if you show them God's love first instead of a molotov coctail we might avoid another holocaust in which millions of people on both sides die. Show them some civil, well reasoned discourse and some sexy, whiskey and democracy and see if we can bring them around to a more sensible point of view before we have to drop the big one on them.
#47
Thanks, anon.
Ptah, maybe Jesus only preached to the society of the day. He was not interested in overthrowing Rome, but then Rome allowed the Jews their own religion and customs. Jesus did not preach against nuclear weapons, but surely he would not condone such violence. Would Jesus advise a man to turn the other cheek if a rapist were attacking his 5 year old daughter ? I think not. I think Jesus preached to a civil people who allowed materialism and greed to lead them astray. He exposed them as closed minded and hypocritical control freeks. He intended his lessons to be learned by the soldiers as well.
There's not enough of us or enough time to convert every muslim lunatic to a more gentle existence. We must fight and make peace with God when the time comes, or we send the innocent to their slaughter and slavery while we lose our honor. Jesus may have forseen such violence, but he did not share that with us.
#48
The West {in the form of the British Empire} did not have to kill all Hindus to wipe out the Thugee; but they did have to kill all the Thugee, burn all of the Thugee manuscripts, and level all of the Thugee temples that the British could find. We as the modern West will eventually have to do the same thing to any Muslim sect that does not actively fight/preach against/forbid terrorism.
Or if we lose a couple of cities in the West to nuclear weapons, simply glass over the major Muslim population center in the world.
#49
Ptah, I'm going to concur with you in a limited sense. I can't positively say that the pacifistic elements of Judeo-Christianity are impeding or crippling our war-fighting ability. There may well be some connection between them and all this Order of the Garter crap we need to discard, but the jury is still out for me on that count.
Where I do connect these dots is in how Bush's own over-emphasis on religiosity has obliged him to accord far too much leeway to Islam as some sort of "fellow faith". This unnecessary focus upon religious issues, as opposed to the simple fact that war has been declared, or the politically ideological nature of Islam, has stalled a lot of important retaliation where it has been needed most.
#50
We as the modern West will eventually have to do the same thing to any Muslim sect that does not actively fight/preach against/forbid terrorism.
Or if we lose a couple of cities in the West to nuclear weapons, simply glass over the major Muslim population center in the world.
I agree, Shieldwolf. We're looking at doors #1 and #2 on the stage and the decision clock is ticking down before door #2 becomes the default choice.
Shieldwolf, I'm curious what you think about my idea to take Mecca (and maybe Medina) hostage and hold them until Islam reforms itself. It would be the ultimate flypaper and also represent one of the few nondestructive measures we could take with punitive impact upon all Muslims.
#52
Zenster, if I may...that is a good idea, but Islam is not centralized. There is no council of elders to deal with your demands. You would have to rewrite the koran yourself and try to get them to buy your changes. Maybe if you whipped them or used electric shock treatments too.
In the end, your idea yields unpredictable results at undetermined costs.
#53
Back to topic. These kids have the right idea. Let's be blunt, Islam isn't a religion, it is a cult started by a desert terrorist who had his political enemies murdered and like sex with 8 year old little girls. Muhamhead convinced his horde to steal and murder for him. For good measure his teachings demand our conversion or death.
With those facts in mind I don't see the problem with removing one of the Pedophile for Profit's home bases. For that matter who in their right mind can defend Islam's right to exist?
For that matter the porKoranimals have a long tradition dating back to Muhammad, of burning churchs for sport.
It's us or them and it is only a matter of time before the sand monkey's go nuclear on one of our cities.
#54
Zenster, if I may...that is a good idea, but Islam is not centralized.
Which is precisely my point, wxjames. While Islam's sources of doctrine are not centralized, the haj, as a pillar of Islamic faith, is. This would be one of the few ways to make it crystal clear to all Muslims that there is a price tag attached to their continued tacit or overt support for Islamic terrorism, or, more exactly, their continued lack of vocal and physical rejection thereof.
#55
rupttippy tumpti pum " Then you can burn the Korans and shoot the clerics if they preach jihad. But first try to make these people understand that there is a better way. I don't want to preach but if you show them God's love"
onward christian soldiers trumpypum.
For those of you without a sense of humour failure and who remember the old dictum about become the enemy we loath whilst doing everything to we can to oppose them, may find some humour herein
#56
21 You'll note that your beliefs are, by definition a matter of faith and I would be happy if your personal relationship with your own cuddly deity are not used as a defining manner in an otherwise rational argument.
You are quite correct in fact in most of the rest of your statement I'm so glad its fred et al and not me that runs this part of the blogsphere.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
#57
This isn't about Islam against Christianity--those that pretend it is are missing the larger point. Islam has declared (over and over again) war against "Infidels"--that hardly limits the fight to merely Christians. If Christians are too caught up into incorrect readings of scripture and continue to believe that this battle isn't a concern of theirs, it is a sad day indeed.
The "turn the other cheek" language cited often by pacifists was Jesus's instruction to *individuals*, not to nation-state entities. Striking one's cheek was considered an insult in Bibilical times, not an assault--Jesus was instructing followers to defer from responding to insults. Nowhere in scripture can it be found that Christians are instructed to sit on the sideline and watch while the world goes to hell all around them. That's not Christianity--that's pacifism...and morally unsound.
#58
pihkalbadger, without otherwise entering into the conversation re: Christianity and our approach to the Islamacists, I do want to say that your quote from Deuteronomy in response to a Christian (whose theology explicitly sees the old Law as superceded) betrays a certain ... unfamiliarity with the topic.
#60
We've discussed this before, here at Rantburg. And if I may speak for the Judeo side of this Judeo-Christian thingy everyone is so keen about (and I'll just assume that each of you at your monitor now whispered to yourself, "Oh yes, dear trailing wife, do so speak!"), at the time of the Maccabee rebellion against the Greco-Syrian inheritors of Alexander the Great's empire, it was realized that insisting on abiding by God's law against doing any work on God's days of rest and His holy days (the Sabbath, Passover, Yom Kippur, all that kind of thing... but not Hanukkah because of course that hadn't happened yet) -- including the work of picking up weapons to defend against attack -- as I was saying, the pius ones who insisted on obeying every jot and tittle of God's law in a time of mortal danger were subjecting the entire People to extinction. The rabbis made a ruling at the time, that the Law of God is not a suicide pact, and that God expects us to do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves when attacked.
I think we all agree that Jesus is portrayed in the New Testament as well educated in the Jewish Law of his time, as evidenced of the tale of his teaching in the Temple. Thus he would have been aware of this famous ruling handed down by the rabbis 250 years before, and therefore his "Turn the other cheek" statement could not possibly have referred to the kind of suicide-by-attacker modern day anti-war types are so fond of promulgating.
#61
I do want to say that your quote from Deuteronomy in response to a Christian (whose theology explicitly sees the old Law as superceded) betrays a certain ... unfamiliarity with the topic.
Yeah, out with the Ten Commandments and in with the Ten Suggestions.
#65
well said, tw and thanks lopt. We girls don't always have to agree, but we need to hang together because if doesn't matter if we are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, liberal, or whatever. No one stands to lose more than we do in this fight.
#68
pihkalbadger, it's obvious you didn't get your talking points by personal experience or deep research. Probably got them from handouts on "how to confound christians" dating from the 60s.
Crusader is correct: Christianity is not a state religion because all the directives are given to individuals and churches, not to the State. While there are warnings about hell and living in a way that makes you fit for it, that hardly amounts to stating a death penalty (although I would imagine pihkalbadger could somehow talk himself into believing that.) In contrast, the old testament and the Koran are very specific on what constitutes capital punishment. State religions tend to dictate things like that.
Yeah, Constantine made Christianity an acceptable religion (It was not the sole state religion: it merely was declared legitimate). However, calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg, and insisting that a tail work like a leg is going to lead to difficulties. Declaring a religion not built to be a state religion would hencefore be THE state religion does not make it fit to be one, and the ensuing mess was bad for human beings and the religion. pihkalbadger believes Christians slavishly follow the Old Testament only because the Roman Catholic Church had to dig through the Old Testament for help on being a state religion, because the New Testament was totally and completely silent on the issue. Shows you how much he knows about Judaism, Christianity, or history...
What's funny is that, when I tell people at my church that Christianity is not a state religion, and thus shouldn't tell the government what to do, the people who agree with me are politically conservative, and the ones who oppose the idea are invariably liberals. It doesn't exactly help their feelings toward me when I point out that David slept with Bathsheba at the same time he was carrying out a war against the Ammonites because of an insult done to his messengers. When nathan came to confront David, he didn't say a thing about the war, but had a lot to say about Bathsheba. They usually laugh nervously and run away on suddenly urgent business when I get around to asking, if Nathan was around today, whether he'd go after Bush or after Clinton, considering the priorities that he demonstrated when he confronted David.
#69
Umm, maybe I'd better address the topic: I'm with those who oppose vigilante behaviour against buildings, while supporting more vigorous police action against Imams and Mullahs preaching Islamofacism. The Mosque doesn't DO anything: It's the people INSIDE that need to be scrutinized.
#70
anon, now that your gender has been made know, the question you posed the other day seems a bit less like baiting.
Good point, Zenster. And in that logic, I'm sure you will soon be taking to the streets to condemn the men in this world who abuse women, sexually harrass them and exploit them. IIRC something like on rape happens every sixty seconds or something like that. Being a man - clearly you want to organize something to disassociate yourself from that - right?
I don't know how long you've been participating at Rantburg, anon, but I'm going to assume that you're new here. If you have ever read any of my posts, then you already know that I find Islam to be unworthy of its religious status solely on the basis of how it mistreats women, without even going into the unforgivable nature of Muslim terrorism. You might also have noticed my routine objections hereabouts to the abomination known as female circumcision genital mutilation.
Finally, I do actively disassociate myself from the kind of people who abuse females and generally treat women like sexual objects. I have intervened in cases of spousal abuse, including my own mother's, and reported similar cases in my neighborhood to the police. When my ex-neighbor's macho ex-boyfriend can over armed with a shotgun on New Year's Eve in an attempt to murder her, I was the only one who threatened him with death if he didn't get off of the property, my call to 911 was the first received. For most of my entire life I have not fit in with "the guys" because of how I refuse to degrade or discriminate against women. That misfit status is something I wear as a badge of honor.
#71
Zenster - you are right and I have noticed the things that you mention.
When my ex-neighbor's macho ex-boyfriend can over armed with a shotgun on New Year's Eve in an attempt to murder her, I was the only one who threatened him with death if he didn't get off of the property,
That takes guts and reminds me of my father, actually. On a Christmas Eve many years ago, my sister came home with a black eye. Her husband was a very big guy - lumberjack big. I remember my father getting right in his face and telling him if he ever did that again that he'd ...well...actually I don't remember what he said but I remember that he made my sister's husband look very small.
I don't imagine we will always agree, Zenster - but I will always respect the fact that you say what you believe. :-)
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Just to further derail the thread, and because Zenster asked, AND because it's the end of the day, "jot and tittle" goes waaaay back to the early days of the Jewish scribes. It's nought to do with titillation (you'll note that's spelt quite differently). "Jot" is an old-fashioned pronunciation of the Hebrew letter "yod," the tenth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and quite the smallest of them all. The "tittles" were the crowns that the scribes drew on top of key letters throughout the Torah (Pentateuch) scroll, and perforce they were quite small, too. So paying attention to every jot and tittle was to (is, actually, as Torah scrolls are copied by hand on parchment in the exact same way today) be scrupulous to execute to the smallest detail.
Just in case anybody wondered, and happens across this post in the few minutes before Rantburg turns over to tomorrow... or the wanderer through the archives in the dim centuries hence, looking back in wonder on the early days of the long-since won War on Islamofascism, curious about the foes of those long-extinct jihadi idiots who embraced their fate when they attacked all forms of freedom everywhere at once as objectionable to their evil view of God.
#73
hey - not that there was a shotgun involved..or anything ... didn't mean to downplay that threat - but I meant the comparison as a compliment because my dad also was one who was willing to risk his own saftey to stand tall.
The American ambassador to Kabul has accused European members of Nato of jeopardising the future of the alliance by refusing to send troops to Afghanistan, or banning their forces from entering areas with heavy fighting. Ronald Neumann, who has survived two attempts on his life this year, said European nations must not turn "coward" and "run away" from fighting terrorism in Afghanistan.
However, even as Mr Browne headed for Slovenia, Spanish officials briefed the Madrid press that their government in conjunction with France, Germany and Belgium had seen off a request from the military commander of Nato, Gen James Jones, to mobilise ground forces from the "Eurocorps" a rapid reaction force made up of troops from several European nations.
Spanish sources told El Pais newspaper that the four European nations had told Gen Jones the rapid reaction force was for unforeseen emergencies, and not for propping up an existing mission.
Spain's Socialist government also refused to send more troops, or to move any of its 750 armed forces now in western Afghanistan to the south, where British, Canadian and Dutch forces have been pounding pounded by enemy attacks.
Mr Neumann criticised the "caveats" placed on forces from Germany, Norway, Belgium and other nations variously keeping them away from the south, away from heavy combat zones, or forbidding them from going out at night. He said: "If you can't fight in the place that produced al-Qa'eda and September 11 and a series of terrorist attacks in Europe, what is the point?"
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"what is the point?" Exactly, what is there point? Socialism is necrotising and that the rot has set in is demonstrated thus.
#3
Cowardly, condescending, cheapskates. One of the true pities of the post-Cold War era is the almost total lack of familiarity with the military and military virtues by the populations of the Western democracies and the feminization of the Western male. Old Europe is a total writeoff. Reciprocity should dictate that we let Europe go it alone the next time they get in trouble because, after all, the USMC is for "unseen emergencies and not for propping up an existing mission." And, like the Euros, we define what is an emergency, not them.
#7
I guess it's clear why Neumann is Bush's man in Kabul.
What isn't clear is why we continue to deal with these doormats as peers. They're history, literally and figuratively.
Enough of this farce. Enough of all of the farces that pass for "international cooperation", that pass for calling such cowards "allies", that pass for "doing the right thing" on the world stage - even when their own security and survival is at stake, that pass for venues of truth and veracity, that pass for defenders of the principles of freedom. Enough, already.
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I have never heard of rules of engagement that included: "Don't go out at night." Does that apply in Afganistan only? I guess it would be best if the "day shift" is kept clear of areas where security is dicey. Is there a section of Afghansistan where the OPFOR is extremely lazy and only likes to attack between 10AM and 2PM local? That might be an appropriate place to assign troops that are daylight only. Better yet send the sunshiners back to Europe, but they won't be much help locally as the Ramadan action in Brussels is swing shift as well.
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Time for GWB to quietly tell ol' Vlad Putin that we won't stand in the way if he wants to have a few Guards Tank Armies go out for a little extended Sunday drive...like down the Kudamm, the Champs Elysees, etc. Only conditions - leave the Poles, Czechs and Baltic states alone. And for chrissakes, don't build any of those butt-ugly blocks of "workers' housing estates" in Tuscany, Provence or the Riviera (at least not until I've had the chance to see them).
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"If you can't fight in the place that produced al-Qa'eda and September 11 and a series of terrorist attacks in Europe, what is the point?""
Guess the point is that they never WERE behind us after Sept 11, all drama to the contrary-otherwise, they couldn't possibly refuse such obvious need. The Europeans simply do not believe in using military force; their philosophy is omnipacifism. They don't believe in fighting for anything.
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True. John Stuart Mill could have been describing the euros when he said "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature...".
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Its the grand European tradition of the Grand Duchy of East Fenwick Palace Guard. Neat spiffy uniforms. Parades smartly on the steps in front of the Palace Peoples Hall of Delegates. Works 35 hour weeks. Three shows a day.
A unit prepared for inspection is unfit to fight. A unit fit to fight is unfit for inspection.
......An important issue affecting NATOs ability to succeed in Afghanistan is the need for countries contributing forces to ease or eliminate restrictions, known as caveats, on how and where their forces may be used, Scheffer said. He quoted Polish Defense Minister Radoslaw Sikorski as telling his colleagues, Giving forces without caveats is giving twice. Polands ISAF forces are operating without caveats.
Rumsfeld said its important that ISAF forces operate under as few caveats as possible.
It is very difficult for a commander managing the forces from 35 or 40 different countries -- NATO nations as well as non-NATO nations -- when he is not able to move forces around and to have them go where they're needed, when they're needed to do the things that needed to be done, he said......
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RWV: One of the true pities of the post-Cold War era is the almost total lack of familiarity with the military and military virtues by the populations of the Western democracies and the feminization of the Western male.
I don't think they're feminized as much as anti-American. With the advent of global free trade, there's no real need to go on foreign military expeditions in search of markets and resources. If the free trade regimen ends, and Uncle Sam pulls back to his own shores, expect European armies to once again go forth in search of these things. Euros are merely doing the logical thing. We did it for over a century after independence - why get involved in somebody else's problems, when they'll sort it out themselves, one way or the other.
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Wow-using the word "logic" to describe modern-day European behavior is quite unexpected, expecially given the real threat Europe faces from Islam. Logic follows that Europe has other militaries they can count on to come and rescue them when hell breaks loose, right?
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the EU definition of "rapid reaction":
1) Throwing down their weapons and rapidly running away.
2) Rapidly retreating when the Taliban approach.
3) Rapidly coming up with excuses why they can't do anything.
4) Rapidly sh*tting in their pants when they're shot at. (they don't call it the "runs" for nothing)
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Now, now I'm sure the troops are just fine. It's the fluffy politicians that do all the harm. I work with a guy who was special forces in Belgium. He says they were okay, but the officers were total clueless fools. But, even clueless fools gain skills when the bullets start flying.
Leftist pols don't till late election evening.
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J: Wow-using the word "logic" to describe modern-day European behavior is quite unexpected, expecially given the real threat Europe faces from Islam.
Demographic threats have to be resolved using a tougher immigration policy that forces illegals out (and perhaps shoots the ones who try to come back in). Muslim citizens might need to be denaturalized and expelled en masse. This is police work and does not require much assistance from their militaries.
Muslim nations pose no threat to Europe - unlike the Arab and Turkish armies of old, they don't have superior technology to overpower the backward Europeans. This time around, it is Europeans are better-armed. Look at it this way - the Canadian Forces aren't in Iraq, and the Canucks don't even have tanks in their military any more. But they are really punishing the Taliban in exchange for minimal losses. I have no doubt that the European formations are just as proficient. Muslim militaries can't hack it - and they know it.
J: Logic follows that Europe has other militaries they can count on to come and rescue them when hell breaks loose, right?
That is correct - it is what NATO is for. A free insurance policy. I have a feeling that our relationship with Europe would be much improved by a withdrawal from the region. Currently, we grovel for the privilege of protecting them. It would be more appropriate for them to grovel for the privilege of being protected.
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Euros define emergency as my foot up their ass.
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Zhang, exactly correct. We should have been out of Europe long ago. They count on our protection as a given, but continue to degrade us on a daily basis. Let us be gone. Let them protect themselves. Let them beg. Clue: we ain't comin' back to save your bacon again. Get used to it.
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Zeng did I miss something or wasn't there concerned expressed in France about using the Army to quell the season of car burnings because too much of it was already islamists?
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Icerigger: In all fairness, Eurabia has surrendered to pIslam already. Why would they go and fight their masters?
Germany once had a Jewish foreign minister, back in the 1910's. And then proceeded to conduct a Holocaust against Jews. Europe's veneer of civility is just that - a veneer. Remember that it was thought that international trade had made war impossibly expensive, and therefore remote - just prior to the deaths of millions on European battlefields in WWI. The American security blanket has produced a temporarily enervated Europe. Remove that security blanket and Europeans will re-learn their ancient martial traditions - the same ones that helped preserve Europe against Muslim invaders hundreds of years ago, and contributed to the continental-scale bloodbaths of the 20th century.
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Actually, Canada has 1960's Leopard 1 tanks. A peer of the M60 with a 105mm main gun, but at 42 tons (about the weight of a T-72) lightly armoured and fast.
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Remove that security blanket and Europeans will re-learn their ancient martial traditions -
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit accusing a British bank of knowingly providing financial services to charities linked to terrorists. The suit was filed against National Westminster Bank by American victims or relatives of victims of 10 terrorist attacks that occurred in Israel in 2002 and 2003. Eight of the plaintiffs were killed in the assaults, which were believed to be the work of the Palestinian resistance group Hamas.
The lawsuit accused NatWest of improperly doing business with a network of Islamic charities that may have funneled money to the families of suicide bombers or given other sorts of financial aid to Hamas, which has been designated a terrorist organization by the US government. US Judge Charles P. Sifton in Brooklyn on Wednesday dismissed one part of the suit but left standing two other sections accusing NatWest of providing material support to terrorist groups.
NatWest's US lawyer, Lawrence Friedman, did not immediately return telephone and e-mail messages Thursday. He has previously called the families' attempt to hold the bank responsible for terrorist attacks "misguided." The bank, a subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland, also has argued in court that a British commission had twice investigated the charity that is the main focus of the lawsuit, the Palestinian Relief and Development Fund, and concluded it had no "pro-terrorist bias."
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Guess being a gangster/terrorist's moll isn't the fun it once was
HYDERABAD: Monica Bedi, film actress and companion of underworld don Abu Salem, was sentenced to five years' rigorous imprisonment by the Special Court of CBI here on the charges of cheating, criminal conspiracy and impersonation while securing a fake passport from Kurnool.
The magistrate also handed out a three-year prison term to Mandal Revenue Inspector Mohd. Younus, Assistant SI Abdul Sattar, and postman Gokhari Saheb all hailing from Kurnool and acquitted two others. They were accused of assisting her in obtaining the fake passport.
Abu Salem, the main accused who is now in judicial custody in Mumbai in connection with the serial bomb blasts, is yet to appear in the case. His wife Sameera Zumani, who is second accused, and two passport agents are at large.
After several hours of formalities following pronouncement of the judgment, Monica Bedi was shifted to Chanchalguda women's prison here where she has been lodged since her extradition from Portugal along with Abu Salem in November last year.
However, the three others were released after the judge admitted their petition for suspension of sentence to move the High Court within a month.
The magistrate examined 38 out of 63 witnesses and perused 79 documents presented by the prosecution before delivering the verdict.
The prosecution sought a maximum sentence of seven years for Monica Bedi as the charge against her had been proved but she was awarded five years for cheating and three years each for conspiracy and impersonation. The terms would run concurrently. The judge rejected a memo filed by the CBI to consider the 10-month jail term in Portugal as part of the sentence.
Monica Bedi's counsel had also made a similar plea.
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Don't worry Monica, I'm sure there are a lot of girls at Chanchalguda women's prison will be real happy to have a bollywood starlet in residence..
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Abu Salem now that's a name. Soon the forces of good will drag in Abu Pall Moll.
QUETTA: Four commanders of late Nawab Akbar Bugti on Thursday surrendered their weapons and announced their support to the government. The Bugti commanders submitted their weapons to the Dera Bugti administration and announced their allegiance to the government.
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KHAR: A senior official of the political administration of Bajaur Agency escaped a remote-controlled bomb blast unhurt Thursday. Nawagai Tehsildar Yar Muhammad Khan was on his way to Khar when a roadside remote-controlled bomb went off shattering his vehicle's windscreen, a security official told Daily Times. Though the vehicle was slightly damaged, no one was hurt in the attack.
No one claimed responsibility for the bombing about 18 kilometres (11 miles) west of Khar, Bajur's main town, but three tribesmen have been detained for questioning, said security official Abdul Qayyum, describing the blast as a "terrorist attack". The unsuccessful attack came nine days after a similar attack on a National Commission for Human Development vehicle, which killed a woman worker of the commission and injured another.
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MIRANSHAH: Suspected militants in North Waziristan have shot dead an Afghan refugee for allegedly spying for American forces in Afghanistan, security officials said on Thursday. The victim, identified as 45-year-old Malang Rahim Jan, belonged to the Khost area of Afghanistan and had been living in a refugee camp near Kohat. He was abducted on Wednesday from Mir Ali. His bullet-ridden body was found in Khadi village, confirmed local government official Fida Mohammad. Attached to his body was a letter warned that "US spies had infiltrated into North Waziristan", stressing that the same fate would meet anybody else found to be spying for the Americans.
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As long as they don't figure out that the US spies are the ones with more bullets for their AK-47s, they ought to be OK.
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There are still refugees in the NWFP? There are still refugees in Waziristan, where there's been a full-fledged local civil war raging for more than a year?
I think this might be better-translated as "Taliban turn on each other, butcher one of their own in paranoid outburst."
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(KUNA) -- At least six people, including two Indian paramilitary personnel, were seriously injured Thursday evening in a bomb explosion at a market in India's Northeastern state of Assam. Guerrillas suspected to be from the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) triggered an improvised explosive device at the main market in the oil township of Digboi in Assam, Thursday, news agency Indo-Asian News Service reported.
Four citizens and two soldiers of the Indian Central Reserve Police Force were wounded in the blast. The market was totally crowded with people when the explosion took place, the news agency said. The injured have been shifted to a local hospital. This is the latest attack by the ULFA that forced the Indian government to suspend a six-week old ceasefire against the rebel group and resume military operations against it last weekend. The key demand of ULFA is sovereignty for Assam which the Indian government is unwilling to negotiate.
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(KUNA) -- Chief of the Marsoumi tribe was assassinated on Friday by unknown militants in the Doura district, southern Baghdad, the interior ministry said. An Interior Ministry source said the chief, Sheikh Turki Abduljabbar Al-Tayef, was stopped while driving and his car was showered with bullets, killing him and seriously wounding two of his bodyguards.
The Marsoumi tribe is one of the most prominent Sunni tribes in Iraq, and the assassination coincided with the declaration of tribes in the Anbar and Saladin provinces war against militant groups affiliated with Al-Qaeda and responsible for killing thousands of civilians.
Meanwhile, spokesman for the Iraqi armed forces Brigadier Qasem Al-Moussawi said some 60 militants were arrested in the Diyala province, northeastern Baghdad. He said in a statement that one of those arrested, Atta Hadi Al-Saadoun, was accused of forcing families to abandon their homes in the Diyal village of Khan Bani Saad.
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Something big, smells like. This and the previous post likely linked (WAG). On phone, in airport, back in USA.
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About an hour ago local TV stations reported that the office of PM Maliki announced that a total curfew will be imposed in Baghdad from now until Sunday morning.
The curfew apparently came in response to an acute deterioration in the capital that was noticed from the early hours of Friday morning especially in districts in the east and north east of Baghdad.
During the day several gun battles took place in several districts of Baghdad and sporadic explosions and gunfire can be heard until this moment.
I've heard from friends I talked to over the phone that unknown armed men have taken to the streets in more than a few districts on both sides of the Tigris river.
Whether the armed men belong to Sunni insurgent groups or Shia militias could not be confirmed. In fact it's quiet possible that it could be both.
Earlier on Friday, al-Sharqiya and al-Hurra TV networks reported that the home of a senior lawmaker from a "large political bloc" was raided by a joint Iraqi-American force. The identity of the lawmaker was kept secret "due to the sensitivity of the case" the report said. The news also indicated the politician was arrested after a bomb factory and at least one VBIED were discovered during the raid. So some people are speculating that the current escalation is a reaction to the arrest.
Others believe the situation is connected to the threat a senior aide to Sadr made during the Friday prayers. Hazim al-Aaraji, one of the closest aides to Muqtada al-Sadr warned the government on Friday that the Sadr movement would "start a revolution to topple the government if anyone dared arrest or harm Sayyed Muqtada "
Right now Mohammed and I are sitting in the garden, smoking and sipping tea and trying to analyze the sounds of the explosions and gunfire to figure out the
dimensions and rough coordinates of the battlefield. And every like 5 minutes the phone rings and there would be a friend or a relative telling us to "stay alert" or "be careful" or making sure that we heard of the curfew.
I can see and hear all kinds of military aircrafts in the skies but I can tell that none was engaged in any of the clashes so far, at least that's the case in my part of Baghdad.
The sounds of war continue while I'm typing these words the night is obviously going to be a long one but tomorrow should bring the truth about what's happening. More important, tomorrow will be a big challenge for the Iraqi security forces in Baghdad.
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'A senior lawmaker from a large political block' has been taken into custody after an IED and bomb making equiptment werre discovered in his residence.
Why doesn't this suprise me ?
(CBS News) CAIRO, Egypt The new leader of al Qaeda in Iraq said in an audiotape posted on the Internet Thursday that more than 4,000 foreign insurgent fighters have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
"The blood has been spilled in Iraq of more than 4,000 foreigners who came to fight," said the man, who identified himself as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir - also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri - the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, though the voice could not be independently identified.
The Arabic word he used indicated he was speaking about foreigners who joined the insurgency in Iraq, not coalition troops.
He also told Muslims on the recording that their holy month should be turned into what he calls a "month of holy war."
Ramadan began last weekend across the Muslim world.
Al-Masri appealed directly to insurgents in Iraq, urging them to take Westerners prisoner.
"I appeal to every holy warrior in the land of Iraq to exert all efforts in this holy month so that God may enable us to capture some of the Western dogs to swap them with our sheik and get him out of his dark prison," the voice said.
He was referring to the blind Egyptian sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, imprisoned in the United States since 1995 for conspiring to blow up New York City landmarks.
Al-Masri is believed to have succeeded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who died in a U.S. airstrike north of Baghdad in June.
CBS News translator Khaled Wassef, whose job entails the constant monitoring of a plethora of Web sites where militants frequently post text, audio and video detailing their global operations, said the claim of 4,000 dead fighters is more important in symbolism than in quantity.
Wassef explained that al Qaeda in Iraq was likely demonstrating their ability to draw small armies of fighters from around the Muslim world into Iraq to wage Jihad against the coalition forces, and furthermore, the apparent ease with which those fighters can enter the country.
The new audiotape was only the most recent evidence of how militant groups have eagerly embraced the Internet as a tool. Wassef said that from the postings he sees on a daily basis, it is clear that the groups are using the Web as a primary means of "recruiting, financing, and publicizing," their fights......
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Headline is misleading.
4,000 is foreign members of AQ. In addition there are thousands of Iraqi killers (many counted as civilians by the press) and foreign fighters not in AQ.
Real number is in the tens of thousands, several million virgins.
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Are they really "insurgents" if they are imported from elsewhere?
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4,000 sounds about right. One wonders why they publicized the number. Is this supposed to encourage lunatics from all over Arabia to migrate to Iraq to join the jihad ?
I wonder how many returned home after their tour.
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"He also said more than 4,000 foreign militants have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 _ the first known statement from the insurgents about their death toll."
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I'm all for this, so long as they cluster up in one spot so we can kill them all at once.
Truly, this had better serve as awake-up call that al Qaeda wants to launch nuclear jihad. If this is not enough to persuade people of the coming danger, they are brain dead.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The bodies of 40 men who been tortured were found in the capital in a span of 24 hours, police said Thursday. The bodies of 40 men, more apparent victims of sectarian death squads, have been found dumped in eastern and western Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said. All showed signs of torture, had been shot, and had their hands and feet bound, police Lt. Thayer Mahmoud said.
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STRATEGYPAGE.com > The Tehran-Baghdad-Kabul Alliance article, on the growing economic interaction between the three nations. Considering the ongoing WAR FOR SUPRIORITY between Shia-Sunni in Iraq, somebody wants more than mere mutually beneficial, Inter-Muslim, State-State "economic" collusion.
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Nobody ever tells us the context of these killings. Who were the victims? Were they killed because their name was Omar or because they used to work as Baath torturers? Because they were educated and thus a 'threat', or because they were the 'wrong' religion for a given neighborhood? I am sure there are killings in all of the above categories and more, but to understand the nature of the violence we need more information.
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From Zeyad at http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/ we get some of that information.
1. Two Sunni women are abducted from their home in a generally Shia neighborhood and murdered.
2. A Sunni group retaliates by blowing up a group of Shia getting kerosene.
3. A group of Sunnis were 'arrested' at a wedding and later found executed.
Sounds like the Hatfields and the McCoys, writ large.
Then he adds that a large number of top surgeons and physicians are being kidnapped and murdered, seemingly by Mahdi Army. This sounds like Khmer Rouge strategy of eliminating the educated; as such, it is the biggest threat to Iraqi recovery. And it may be used as a model by other groups in other places (a slow-motion, non-violent equivalent is going on in the schools and universities of the West.)
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I can only wonder what kind of torture these scumbags are carrying out over there. I'll hazard a guess and say it's far worse than the "torture" we've been blamed for in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. The recent transfer of control at an Iraqi prison from American forces to the Iraqis (can't remember which prison right now), which had the prisoners begging for the Americans to come back, only reinforces my suspicions.
I'm not saying we don't engage in our fair share of violence and bloodshed. But our guys will just kill you straight up, no chaser. We don't get off on torture before killing someone. The closest we will ever come to torture is coercive interrogation to squeeze some intel out of a bad guy.
That is what seperates us from them. I'm not saying we are the best humanity has to offer, but at least we try. I wish I could say the same for the Iraqis right now.
I hate to generalize, really I do, but the kind of people who gleefully carry out the crudest and most sadistic torture as a means to gratify their perverted sense of vengeance is indicative of the kind of human beings we are trying to deal with over there. The ignorant and appeasing Liberals don't seem to grasp this reality. Which I've always found surprising since the Liberals in many ways have the most at stake in this war.
I can't believe I'm about to say this here but I consider myself a Liberal (in the more classic sense of the term). I'm a low-tax, balanced-budget, small-government, patriotic Liberal who believes in the nobility of this country and how it came to be (I guess that really makes me a Libertarian?). I also happen to favor taking the fight to our enemies, killing terrorists, self-proclaimed jihadists, and the islamofascists before they get a chance to kill us, and confronting terrorist sympathizers and supporters harshly. In other words, it's precisely because of my more liberal values that I so fully support President Bush's war effort. I imagine the folks here at Rantburg understand what I'm talking about as opposed to the left wing Democrats who can't seem to see the forest through the trees.
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eltoroverde, a great many of us never voted Republican until after 9/11, and now vote Republican party line so long as the Democrats refuse to understand what's at stake. Some of us are still registered members of the Democratic Party, in the vain (it seems to me) hope that others are as capable of understanding as we.
Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq called for the kidnapping of Westerners to swap for a Muslim cleric jailed in the United States, according to an Internet audio tape issued on Thursday while at least 22 people were killed in separate incidents of violence across Iraq.
"I call on every holy fighter in Iraq to strive during this holy month (Ramazan)... to capture some dogs of the Christians so that we can liberate our imprisoned sheikh," said the speaker, identified as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir. He accused US jailers of "torturing" Egyptian cleric Omar Abdel-Rahman, held over links to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York. The speaker also called for attacks on US military camps in Iraq using "unconventional bombs such as biological and dirty bombs". The tape's authenticity could not be verified.
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"Biological and Dirty Bombs" > ANOTHER DUBYA MISTAKE BECUZ NO WMDS HERE.
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A fine demonstration of why we need to consider automatic death penalties for any foreign combatants who attempt atrocities on American soil.
Fjordman's last article made the extremely cogent point that dhimmis living in an Islamic society are all subject to collective punishment for the misdeed of a single kuffar.
We really need to establish collective reprisal as a specific term of engagement with these Islamic maggots. If they take a single American hostage, we start blowing away prisoners or blocks of insurgent areas until our people are released.
I dread to think of what sort of atrocity it will take before our politicians and military finally begin applying Islam's own punishments to Muslim terrorists. We absolutely have to get over this Order of the Garter bullshit before another three thousand of our troops die.
Rahman should have been deep-fried minutes after his guilty verdict was handed down. We are going to have to learn the hard way that captive terrorists will used as excuses for the most gruesome hostage takings. Do we really need our own Beslan atrocity right here, stateside, to prove this?
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We really need to establish collective reprisal as a specific term of engagement with these Islamic maggots.
I understand the emotional source of this statement, but rationally, I have a hard time signing on. It is a repudiation of everything our system stands for. If we are to cast people out, it should be done so one person at a time following due process. If not, we should recognize that we have descended into civil war. We are far from that and have endured worse without such recourse.
I would, however, question why immigrants from countries that are not allies in the war on terror or fully prepared to adopt our culture continue to be admitted to the country and granted citizenship.
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why not just put this shithead in general population in prison. i'm sure it wouldn't take long for him too go down
You've got to be kidding me! He'd turn the prison into a Madrassa. What do you think is going on inside these days? Islam is the perfect faith for the loser criminal element in our society and that is where it is growing most quickly.
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"Islam is the perfect faith for the loser criminal element in our society and that is where it is growing most quickly"
Well, that and rebellious suburban kids, and the kind of woman who falls for death-row felons...
Which would explain the general caliber of Islamic converts, generally...
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Slightly off topic, but why is Tater still consuming O2?
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I understand the emotional source of this statement, but rationally, I have a hard time signing on. It is a repudiation of everything our system stands for. If we are to cast people out, it should be done so one person at a time following due process. If not, we should recognize that we have descended into civil war. We are far from that and have endured worse without such recourse.
NS, I understand your compunctions and I can only say that at one point I shared such trepidations. Sooner or later we are going to have to show our enemey how unwise their choice of terms is. If they wish to impose collective punishment, and there can be no more precise example than terrorism, then we must consider imposing it upon them.
I know you have yet to decide about Muslims in the military. I, like yourself, found exJAG's arguments extremely persuasive and now concur with her. This can only mean that you, at least, accept the war-time model and no longer view the war on terrorism as any sort of police action.
I, too, believe that America is at war. The barbarians are, indeed, at the gates if not already in Dearborn our own front yard. We are being threatened with nuclear terrorist attacks at their earliest possible opportunity. Go back to the top of this page, look at Rahman's photo, and ask yourself if that cretin would not have used nuclear weapons against America if he had only had them.
Our use of collective punishment will not be a repudiation of everything that America stands for. It will be a concession that our enemy requires measures we are normally loath to take but are obliged to implement against those who feel no sanctity for human life.
Nowhere do I see you protesting Israel's bulldozing of Palestinian homes in reprisal for a single family member's terrorist activity. That, too, is collective punishment. So is their withholding of electrical power and water service to the terrortories. Yes, this is a slippery slope, but all of us must have faith in our own moral traction to know that we will not descend into utter barbarity, remembering always that our enemy already blocks the path thereto.
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Zen, I read your comment as meaning we should take action agains muzzie Americans for actions by Foreign illegal combatants on Americans in America. On re-reading, I think I misread you. Apologies.
I don't lump American muzzies into some universal muzzie group and that was the source of my reaction. My basic position is that Americans are Americans first until they individually demonstrated otherwise. Furners? Whatever.
Fine, then we agree. I, too, am not ready to line American citizens or immigrants against the wall for the misdeeds of some foreign cretin. What needs to happen is that countries who continue to flood this world with terrorist killers must find their cities in ruins. When enough Muslims who silently acquiesce to or vocally support their government's covert terrorist activities finally have their walls crashing down about their ears, they might begin to rethink how they support terrorism. If not, they'll soon be dead and the net result will be the same.
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Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are in a dead heat (as it were) for massive retaliation. I say we should nail Pakistan first just to confiscate or disable their nuclear weapons.
More than ever before, I think we need to consider taking possession of Mecca (and possibly Medina), and holding them hostage against further terrorist attacks. Withholding one of the pillars of Islam from its followers would have a direct and devastating impact upon the entire Muslim world. I can think of few other goads to encourage abandonment of jihad and the reform of Islam.
People can argue all they want about how this will only enrage the Muslim world. Let the jihadis come and try to retake their shrines. It would be the ultimate flypaper. If anything, Iraq has proven the usefulness of that concept. Personally, I'm sick and tired of worrying about easily offended Muslim sensibilities. If Beslan wasn't sufficiently convincing, the cartoonifada should have served final notice that this one is for all the marbles.
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First Iran. Then Pakistan while interdicting Saudi finances completely. Then we'll se if the Saudis still run Arabia, and take next steps based on that. ;-)
(KUNA) -- Two Iraqi soldiers were killed, 25 wounded, on Thursday when a suicide attacker blew up his car outside an Iraqi Army headquarters in northeastern Baghdad. An Iraqi security source said the blast took place around 7:45 a.m. Baghdad time, noting that among the wounded were 16 civilians.
Meanwhile, 40 unidentified dead bodies were found during the past 24 hours in a number of suburbs east, west, and south of Baghdad. An Iraqi security source, who requested anonymity, said the bodies were for unidentified men, while most of the bodies were handcuffed, had marks of torture and stabbing, and were shot.
Meanwhile, the US Army announced that three US soldiers were killed in separate incidents in Baghdad and Anbar during the past week. A US Army press release said a Marines soldier was killed due to enemy fire while on duty in Anbar province. A second press release said a Multi-National Force soldier was also killed in similar conditions in Anbar province. A third press release said an MNF soldier died affected by serious wounds he suffered when his patrol came under attack with machineguns in southern Baghdad.
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(KUNA) -- A joint US-Iraqi force on Saturday arrested 25 gunmen and seized weapon caches nearby Yusufiyah town south of Baghdad, announced the Multi-National Force on Thursday. An MNF press release said the operation, dubbed "Hurricane Winds", targeted a mortar cell in the town of Janabi southwest of Yusufiyah, noting that nine 60mm mortar rounds, a 60mm mortar system, a Dishka heavy machinegun, three rocket propelled grenade launchers, a Katusha rocket and multiple AK-47 assault rifles were seized in the operation.
Meanwhile, Babylon Police arrested 70 suspects in a search operation in Jarf Al-Sakhar. An Iraqi police source said most of the suspects were found to be members of Tawheed and Jihad Brigades and are involved in executing armed operations in the area, noting that huge quantities of guns, ammunitions, and explosives were seized in the operation.
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Arrested Saturday and announced Thursday.
Heh heh heh.
If you electric shock someone, they'll say anything you want them to say.
How many punches does it take to achieve that level of understanding ?
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Looks kind of like this is chapter one of the 'RAB for DUMMIES' (at home) series: capture (saturday) found (led to?) arms sometime later. In chapter two we will discuss the wildly firing accomplice-led ambush and the simultaneous escape of them and the death of those who led authorities to the arms cache....
(KUNA) -- Police director of Alqdiya and Kirkuk districts Brigadier Sarhad Qader survived an assassination attempt when an explosive device targeted his motorcade was detonated Thursday. Qader told KUNA, the bomb blasted around noon as he was returning to central Kirkuk with a Multi-National Forces (MNF) patrol car.
One of the patrolmen was injured when his car was hit, he added. The Brigadier also revealed that an attempt to bomb MNF building with a suicide bomber was foiled today. The suicide bomber was shot by a MNF guardsman before he was able to detonate the booby-trapped car outside the building. Another booby-trapped car was found in Kirkuk, the bomb was deactivated without casualties.
He added, police forces raided the house of Ibrahim Najm in Hiteen after receiving a information tip. Najm and his two sons, Mazin and Munthir, were arrested for allegedly planning terror plots against Iraqis and police forces. Police had found weapons during the raid.
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Well, being Lions of Islam and everything, now they'll probably try to kill his nephew's cousin's best friend's daughter. It's all the same to them. Hear them roar squeak.
(KUNA) -- At least two policemen were killed and eight others wounded on Thursday when a booby-trapped car exploded at the entrance of Kirkuk airport, the Iraqi police announced. The area of the airport is hosing the multi-national forces, the police said.
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(KUNA) -- Unknown gunmen killed on Thursday two relatives of Al-Anfal trial's Judge Mohammad Al-Oraibi, said an Iraqi security source. Speaking to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA), the source said the judge's brother-in-law Ali Kadhem Abdul-Husain and his seven-year-old son were killed in Al-Ghazaliyah district as they were moving their furniture to relocate into a different area. There are also unconfirmed reports that Abdul-Husain's wife was also killed, added the source. Al-Oraibi is presiding over the trial of former Iraqi President Saddam Husain and six of his aides.
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Relatives, huh? Well, there ya go, another Lions of Islam moment.
As for "Unknown", lol, I'll offer that they're Sunni Ba'athist dregs. Yes, I've been accepted by The Psychic Friends Network. Call me. For the right price I'll tell ya more.
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TEL AVIV The Israeli air force is continuously flying in munitions from the United States to replenish stockpiles depleted from the war in Lebanon. Got to build up stocks for the next war. I hope and pray that the leadership lets the IDF run the war right this time.
Military sources said C-130 air transports and state-owned airliners have been shuttling between Israel and the United States to load up with munitions and related equipment. The effort began following the 33-day Israel-Hizbullah war in Lebanon, which ended on Aug. 14.
"It's a non-stop shuttle," a military source said. "Flights are taking place nearly every day and we're taking whatever they're willing to give or sell us."
The source said the air force plans to replace its stockpile of air munitions, particularly standard general-purpose air bombs. During the war, he said, the air force used so-called dumb bombs stored for more than 30 years. One way to get rid of stale stock.
"They were rusty but they worked," the source said. "Now, we want new munitions for our stockpile."
The source said the U.S. supplies were being delivered from the Dover Air Force base in Dover, Del. He said the Israel air force has been obtaining U.S. Air Force surplus bombs and related equipment to prepare for any near-term conflict with Hizbullah or its allies, Iran and Syria. I would imagine that there are some ships headed to Israel, too. But they need air supply to bring stocks back up to minimum levels.
During the war, Israel conducted 15,000 sorties in Lebanon, more than any other conflict in Israel's history. The source said the air force depleted its supply of Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which converts general-purpose bombs to guided munitions.
The source said the General Staff was expected to discuss a proposal to renew a strategic production line of air and ground munitions to avoid dependency on the United States during any war. He said such a line had operated until the 1990s, when the Defense Ministry and military agreed that a conventional war was unlikely. The state-owned Israel Military Industries had operated the munitions line. They better get cranking. They are going to need some serious quantities for the next war---which is coming.
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I suspect that they used up their stores of "dumb" iron bombs, and are now getting shiny new JDAMs, raising their combat lethality by a couple of factors.
I also suspect that they are getting a whole bunch of weapons specifically designed for current events, shall we say.
Finally, I expect the Israeli arms industry has also been given the designs of even more weapons that they can fabricate in surge production.
GAZA - An Israeli military strike in the northern Gaza Strip killed two people on Friday, Palestinian security services and witnesses said. The Israeli army said it could not release details on the attack but said it had targeted two men suspected of involvement in firing rockets into Israel.
An army spokeswoman said the two had been hit as they were collecting a launcher that had been used several times over the past week to fire rockets from northern Gaza. She said they had been targeted by ground forces, not from the air, but would not confirm what sort of weaponry was used.
Witnesses said the two were teenage boys who were passing by on bicycles and were hit after stopping to look at the rocket launcher out of curiosity.
Uh huh
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Even IF they "were teenage boys who were passing by on bicycles and were hit after stopping to look at the rocket launcher out of curiosity"
. . . there are consequences. Paleo communities that allow rockets to be fired from civilian areas are culpable. Their collective, tacit approval, and the responsibility they bear, however, is never mentioned.
GAZA - Hundreds of seething Palestinian police and security officers blocked all main roads in Gaza City with garbage containers and burning tyres on Thursday in a protest over largely unpaid wages.
Policemen, having gun sex firing rifles into the air, made faces turned some garbage bins upside down, causing rubbish to spill out and also rolled their eyes broke up concrete to halt traffic on Gaza Citys main streets, in a further sign of growing unrest over delayed salaries.
Most police were from security services loyal to impotent President Mahmoud Abbas, who has been locked in an increasingly bitter confrontation with the Hamas-led government of bloodthirsty Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh over stalled efforts to form a unity coalition.
Our protest is not politically motivated, it is motivated by the hunger and needs of our children, said one policeman, his face smeared with black from the smoke of burning tyres. Haniyeh or Abbas, we do not care about their problems. We care about our welfare.
Just the right attitude for a policeman, doncha think?
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As long as they can afford ammunition, I refuse to believe they are desperately poor.
I recall that Jesus said in the Gospel(s) that even snakes and scorpion look after their own.
It'll take more than that to be human. And they say it as if that is their highest spiritual attainment while others don't similarly do the same in a more civilized manner all round. Such jackass narcissistic blurts like regular kneejerks from their universe.
JERUSALEM - A Palestinian militant was on Thursday handed 12 life sentences by an Israeli military court after being found guilty of involvement in a suicide bombing that killed 11 people, a legal source said.
Apparently the Israelis don't hand out death sentences for stuff like this. Pity.
Hilmi Hamash, 24, from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades group affiliated to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbass so-called moderate Fatah party, was found guilty of helping the bomber who blew himself up on a Jerusalem bus on January 29, 2004.
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He should find rattlesnakes in his cell every now and then. That would keep things interesting, wouldn't it?
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Unfortunately, there are no rattlesnakes in Israel. Now a bucket or two full of scorpions might do the trick. I understand Mideast scorpions have very PAINFUL stings, plus those claws can take a chunk.
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A Palestinian youth was arrested on Thursday after attacking a security guard at the Hadassah Mount Scopus hospital, Israel Radio reported. The suspect was injured in a traffic accident at the Hizmeh checkpoint near Jerusalem, and arrived at the hospital in an Red Crescent ambulance. When the security guard asked to check the ambulance, the suspect got angry and attacked him. The police have launched an investigation into the matter.
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Seems like they found what they were looking for.
IDF forces arrested a Tanzim fugitive in Jericho on Thursday evening. The fugitive is suspected of throwing a Molotov cocktail at an Israeli vehicle and wounding a two-year-old baby in 2000. The Tanzim operative was detained by security forces for interrogation.
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September 28, 2006: Military commanders the world over are struggling to figure out how to deal with the massive changes created by the arrival of GPS guided bombs (like JDAM). The United States has them, most of them, and the ability to stop others from using them (because America control the GPS satellites). The impact of JDAM has been enormous. It has made air power much more effective, reduced casualties for the force using them, and speeded up combat operations. Few non-professionals have noticed this, but generals and admirals of the major military powers have. These changes are enormous, but the mass media has not really noticed what is going on here. So few people are aware of how much JDAM has changed the way wars are fought.
The appearance, and impact, of JDAM has been sudden. While guided bombs first appeared towards the end of World War II, they did not really become a factor until laser guided bombs were developed in the 1960s. A decade later, TV guided bombs came into service. But these guided bombs were expensive, costing over $100,000 per bomb. Even as late as the 1991 Gulf war, only 16 percent of the 250,000 bombs dropped were guided. Analysis of the battlefield later revealed that the guided bombs had done 75 percent of the actual damage. But the guided bombs were still too expensive, and lasers were blocked by many weather conditions (rain, mist, sand storms). Something new was needed to replace dumb bombs completely. The solution was GPS guided bombs.
In 1991, the GPS system was just coming into service. There were already plans for something like JDAM, but no one was sure that it would work. Once the engineers got onto it, it was discovered that JDAM not only worked, but cost less than half as much to build ($18,000 per bomb) as the air force expected ($40,000 a bomb).
So in 1996, production of JDAM began. The bombs got their first workout in the 1999 Kosovo campaign. To everyone's surprise, 98 percent of the 652 JDAMs used, hit their targets. In 2001, JDAM proved the ideal weapon for supporting the few hundred Special Forces and CIA personnel the U.S. had on the ground in Afghanistan. The JDAM was more accurate, and effective, than anticipated. By January, 2002, the U.S. had dropped about half their inventory, of 10,000 JDAMs, in Afghanistan.
In 2003, 6,500 JDAM were used in the three week 2003 Iraq invasion. Since 1999, American aircraft have used about 20,000. New versions have added more capabilities. The latest versions are even more accurate, putting half the bombs within ten meters of the aiming point. A new 250 pound version is entering service this year. Another new version, with wings, is on the way, which will enable a bomber to drop the bomb up to 100 kilometers from the target. JDAMs are pretty rugged. F-22s have dropped half ton JDAMs, from 50,000 feet, while flying at over 1,500 kilometers an hour.
Even American war planners are not completely sure what the overall impact of JDAM is going to be. That's because the army has introduced GPS guided rockets and artillery shells as well. Sorting out all the impacts on military operations is complicated by what the enemy will do. So far, JDAM has only been used against tribal warriors and urban guerillas. These foes have been resourceful, but have not been able to do much to degrade the impact of JDAM. Against professional troops, that might be different, but no one is sure yet. And that has generals in places like China, Iran and North Korea worried. The U.S. is currently producing 3,000 JDAM a month, and is planning to build an inventory of about 200,000. China, Russia and the European Union are building their own GPS systems which, among other things, will enable them to build JDAM type bombs that the U.S. cannot shut down. Even then, using satellite guided bombs against U.S. forces will still be complicated by the need to get your aircraft into the air. No enemy air force has been able to do that for over half a century. So, for the moment, JDAM is an American advantage, and enormous one at that, and one that has changed the way wars are fought in more ways than most people realize.
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That's because the army has introduced GPS guided rockets and artillery shells as well.
There's a cable show called "Futureweapons" that showed a test of the GPS guided artillery. They fired the shells 30 degrees off-axis, and still hit the target.
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Hence the Chinese shooting at US satellites to test their laser.
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I wonder if we're testing our satellites by shooting at their lasers? Who would know?
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Let us not worship at the alter of precision weapons. They are wonderful for taking out key targets, like bridges, commo centers, eletrical generation stations , etc. Wide area bombing is just as crucial. When planners strive to make warfare antiseptic to the general populace, they defeat their own purposes. It is VERY necessary that the populace experiences pain and anguish so they force the fools among them to cease and desist their outrageous actions.
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SOP35/Rat It is VERY necessary that the populace experiences pain and anguish so they force the fools among them to cease and desist their outrageous actions.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. For real victory, there is no substitute for substantialy reducing the number of your enemy (30% or more).
Any historians out there care to weigh in on the efficacy of peace following victory where adversary cultures (civilian and military) were culled by 30%? How about peace after conflict with a smaller perecentage reduction in population?
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German and Japanese casualty rates were in the single digits (as percentage 6-8% iirc) Sherman had extremely low casulties amongst the populace. I think it's fair to say that for really big civilian dislocation you have WWII and the Thirty Years War.
I'd disagree with SOP and Rob. I'd be willing to bet that any country we'd be dealing with is more urbanized than the Germans or Japanese were in WWII. If we precision bomb to devastate war related infrastructure but do not invade or occupy, I believe the ensuing civil disorder would do far more to devastate a culture than did the WWII bombing, Sherman's Marches or an atomic attack. We'd be talking Thirty Years War level of dislocation. Think about it. No roads, no ports and no electricity. How ya going to pump the water? What happens in an urban area when there's no potable water or sewage treatment? No way to refrigerate food? No fuel for transportation. No way to conduct commerce?
Leave 'em like that until you get unconditional surrender. If they decide to go guerilla, withdraw. I really think people will do worse to themselves than we would ever do to them if simply left to stew in primitive conditions.
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I think the greatest asset this provides is the ability to have VERY close in support given to ground troops.
There is still the need for Strategic bombing in certain scenarios, I agree, but close-in air support is a very lethal and effective tool for our Infantry.
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Strategic bombing? What's that? It is now just a matter of target definition. Will anybody ever be dumb enough to give us an opportunity to carpet bomb with dumb bombs again? And if they did, would we do that or saturation PGM? How many SDBs could a single B-1 carry and what area would it cover?
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"The God of JDAM reached out and touched me. Purdy damn hard, too."
LOL, .com.
"When planners strive to make warfare antiseptic to the general populace, they defeat their own purposes"
How true.
"We are not only fighting hostile armies, but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war. We cannot change the hearts of those people, but we can make war so terrible [and] make them so sick of war that generations will pass away before they again appeal to it."
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Even as late as the 1991 Gulf war, only 16 percent of the 250,000 bombs dropped were guided. Analysis of the battlefield later revealed that the guided bombs had done 75 percent of the actual damage.
SOLD!
And that has generals in places like China, Iran and North Korea worried.
SOLD!
No, precision weapons aren't everything, but they save money, keep our troops and pilots out of harm's way and make the enemy just that much more fearful. Combine all of the above with some real suffering on the ground and you have an unbeatable combination.
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Most urban zones worldwide have at best one week's supply of food, counting all fresh, canned, and dried foodstuffs on hand. All major urban zones worldwide relying on electricity to light the night, pump water and sewage, cool and freeze food, and provide working hospitals. JDAMs on the water, sewer, and electrical infrastructure of a major urban zone would result in a Lord of the Flies scenario in much of it in under a month. When someone is starving, dying of thirst, and freezing to death, they tend to become very unmanagable for the local government. They also tend to fight with sticks, bottles, rocks, and swarming mass attacks against those authorities that prevent them from getting to life's essentials. Anyone view Mogadishu as a vacation spot? It is a prime example of what happens when you gut all essential services.
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One of the beauties of ARCLIGHT strikes in Vietnam is that the enemy didn't know they were targeted until the bombs were over halfway to the ground. Believe me, the noise on the ground is deafening, even as far away as 10-15 miles. Precision is good to hit vital C3I and logistical targets, but nothing does more damage to troops on the ground than large numbers of dumb bombs exploding at almost the same time. It's kind of like a heavy, rolling artillery barrage, but from 50,000 feet. Precision is good, but scaring the sh$$ out of the enemy while killing half or more of them is even better.
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JERUSALEM Syrian President Bashar Assad yesterday issued a decree urging his citizens to move to the Golan Heights, claiming the International Committee of the Red Thingy Cross would help flood the Golan with Syrians.
Assad's decree urges Syrian officials, humanitarian workers, public service providers and their families to move to the Golan with the help of the International Committee of the Red Thingy Cross, or ICTRC. His signed statement said Syrians who wish to move to the Golan will be granted approval by "all the relevant authorities." The decree affirmed the "right of the Syrian people's resistance" aimed at ensuring the return of the Golan Heights.
Israel officially annexed the Golan in 1981 and controls the territory. A United Nations contingent monitors border zones. The ICTRC has authority to operate in the area purportedly to facilitate civilian crossings into and out of Syria in humanitarian cases. Israel must approve all cases of Syrian residents moving to the Golan.
The Red Thingy Cross can petition for entry for Syrian aid workers assisting its programs. The organization reportedly is building a new medical facility in the Golan.
The Heights has a population of about 35,000 approximately 18,000 Jewish residents and 17,000 Arabs, mostly Druze. The Arab residents retain their Syrian citizenship but under Israeli law can also sue for Israeli citizenship.
Dorothia Krimitsas, a spokeswoman for the ICTRC, told WND her organization is "neutral" and only seeks to help Syrians in "humanitarian cases." "We are aware of Assad's decree (for Syrians to move to the Golan via the Red Thingy Cross) but we are a nonpolitical organization. We help facilitate movement between Syria and the Golan in humanitarian cases, like weddings and important unions," said Krimitsas, speaking from Geneva.
Some Israeli military officials accused Red Thingy Cross ambulances of helping transport some Hezbollah fighters. "The moment a Hezbollah fighter is injured, he is considered a non-combatant, so we must take care of him," said ICTRC spokeswoman Carla Haddad.
Assad's decree for Syrians to move to the Golan follows a recent WND report that top members of Assad's Baath Party were advised in a private briefing to purchase real estate in the Golan Heights because, they were told, the strategic territory will "very soon" be returned to Syria.
Previously, WND broke the story Syria is in the process of forming what a Baath Party official called the Front for the Liberation of the Golan Heights, a new "resistance" group that models itself after Hezbollah. The official told WND Syria learned from Hezbollah's military campaign against Israel that "fighting" is more effective than peace negotiations with regard to gaining territory.
Hezbollah claims its goal is to liberate the Shebaa Farms, a small, 125-square-mile bloc situated between Syria, Lebanon and Israel. The cease-fire resolution accepted by Israel to end its military campaign in Lebanon calls for negotiations leading to Israel's relinquishing of the Shebaa Farms.
The Baath official told WND the Front for the Liberation of the Golan Heights was formed in June and that the group currently consists of Syrian volunteers, many from the Syrian border with Turkey and from Palestinian refugee camps near Damascus. He said Syria held registration for volunteers to join the Front in June.
One week after the WND story, state-run Al-Alam Iranian television featured an interview with a man who identified himself as the leader of the new Front for the Liberation of the Golan Heights. The man, whose features were blocked out, said his new group consists of "hundreds" of fighters who are training for guerrilla-like raids against Israeli positions in and near the Golan. He claimed the Front has opened several training camps inside Syria.
Sept.12, Amos Yadlin, chief of military intelligence for the Israeli Defense Forces, announced the Jewish state has indications Syria is in the initial stages of forming a Hezbollah copycat group to attack Israeli positions in the Golan.
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I still think this jackass looks like Al Bundy (Bashar al-Bundy, anyone??) after listening to half an hour of Peg's ordering him to rub her tooshie...
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It's not a dumb move - the ICRC hates Israel and has been publicly humiliated over the use of their ambulances by terror attackers. They would be thrilled, I suspect, to facilitate this.
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"The moment a Hezbollah fighter is injured, he is considered a non-combatant, so we must take care of him,"
So this means the ambulance staff forces an injured combatant to abandon any weapons he might have before transporting him to hospital, right?
[waits for hysterical laughter to die down]
If not, Israel should begin a program of monitoring all ICRC ambualnce activity. Mandatory inspection stops should occur and any injured combatants in possession of weapons must be detained as prisoners of war. Any ambulance vehicles found carrying weapons should be commandeered and if there is a persistent pattern of abetting Hezbollah terrorists, the ambulances should be declared fair targets.
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The cease-fire resolution accepted by Israel to end its military campaign in Lebanon calls for negotiations leading to Israel's relinquishing of the Shebaa Farms.
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For quite some time now, The ICRC has been nothing more than a leftist, anti-American, anti-Isreal front, masquerading as a humanitarian organization. The shocker is that folks would be surprised by this.
(KUNA) -- Israeli fighter jets executed air raids on Thursday over a number of Lebanese areas while Israeli forces continued to construct the border fence and operate patrol vehicles. A security source told Kuwait News Agency (KUNA) that the fighter jets flew this afternoon over West Bekaa and Lake Qaroun and continued to fly at low levels in the direction of Iqlim Al-Tuffah and Jezzine in the South. The source added that the jets flew over Nabatiya and Marjayoun, as well as over the areas of Al-Khayyam and Arqoub from a medium range.
Meanwhile, the same source said Israeli forces continued to construct the barbed-wire fence just across from the Israeli town of Kiryat Shemona, adding that this coincided with the operation of Israeli patrol vehicles near the borders. Israeli forces continue to maintain 10 posts on Lebanese territories, an issue that hinders the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 and deployment of Lebanese troops in South Lebanon.
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Don't "air raids" usually involve shooting or something? Sounds more like a patrol to me.
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Israeli forces continue to maintain 10 posts on Lebanese territories, an issue that hinders the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 and deployment of Lebanese troops in South Lebanon.
Clashes erupted Thursday between IDF forces and French troops from the multinational force (UNIFIL) currently stationed in Lebanon, the Al- Jazeera television network reported. Reportedly, the IDF soldiers had infiltrated 150 meters deep into Lebanese territory to the Maji Iyun area. UNIFIL denied the report.
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Standing some 50 meters from each other, the tanks were locked in a 20-minute face-off, the first between the Israeli army and the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), which has been boosted to oversee the current truce.
The French tanks then withdrew from the area, as observers of the UN Truce Supervision Organisation deployed in the area.
Oooooooooooh!
I'd consider that a stare down contest not a "clash".
And surprise, surprise, look who won...
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One thing will happen. The French are going to be in the crossfire when shooting resumes. UN thinks their presence prohits Israeli retaliation. Think again. I really like the part about running photogs off. They need to be prohibited from areas of action. Or elimintaed if they do not obey commands.
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Sounds like the usual snafu when neutral forces get into friction over an area. Outnumbering the opposition by 2 to 1, The french ran away, funnny that.
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Somali police investigating a car bomb assassination attempt on the president arrested three suspected members of a fundamentalist Islamic group Thursday and recovered explosives, an official said. Police in three armored vehicles raided a house after a tip that the car used by the suicide bomber in the Sept. 18 assassination attempt had been seen leaving the residence on the day of the attack, Baidoa Gov. Ahmed Madey Issaq told The Associated Press.
Years of violence over Sudan's war-torn Darfur region further escalated Thursday when government forces and the only rebel group to have signed a peace agreement aimed at ending the violence in the western region clashed in the capital's affluent twin city, the head of the UN in Sudan said. Tensions between Sudanese authorities and the rebel faction, whose leader joined the government after signing the Darfur Peace Agreement in May, degenerated into an open shootout in Omdurman, located across the Nile River from the capital of Khartoum, said Jan Pronk, who leads the UN's Sudanese mission. "The situation in Darfur is becoming worse and worse, that it has now reached Khartoum is just another proof of how bad things are," Pronk said.
The American ambassador to Kabul has accused European members of Nato of jeopardising the future of the alliance by refusing to send troops to Afghanistan, or banning their forces from entering areas with heavy fighting. Ronald Neumann, who has survived two attempts on his life this year, said European nations must not turn "coward" and "run away" from fighting terrorism in Afghanistan.
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit accusing a British bank of knowingly providing financial services to charities linked to terrorists. The suit was filed against National Westminster Bank by American victims or relatives of victims of 10 terrorist attacks that occurred in Israel in 2002 and 2003. Eight of the plaintiffs were killed in the assaults, which were believed to be the work of the Palestinian resistance group Hamas. 
QUETTA: Four commanders of late Nawab Akbar Bugti on Thursday surrendered their weapons and announced their support to the government. The Bugti commanders submitted their weapons to the Dera Bugti administration and announced their allegiance to the government.
KHAR: A senior official of the political administration of Bajaur Agency escaped a remote-controlled bomb blast unhurt Thursday. Nawagai Tehsildar Yar Muhammad Khan was on his way to Khar when a roadside remote-controlled bomb went off shattering his vehicle's windscreen, a security official told Daily Times. Though the vehicle was slightly damaged, no one was hurt in the attack.
(KUNA) -- At least six people, including two Indian paramilitary personnel, were seriously injured Thursday evening in a bomb explosion at a market in India's Northeastern state of Assam. Guerrillas suspected to be from the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) triggered an improvised explosive device at the main market in the oil township of Digboi in Assam, Thursday, news agency Indo-Asian News Service reported.
(KUNA) -- Chief of the Marsoumi tribe was assassinated on Friday by unknown militants in the Doura district, southern Baghdad, the interior ministry said. An Interior Ministry source said the chief, Sheikh Turki Abduljabbar Al-Tayef, was stopped while driving and his car was showered with bullets, killing him and seriously wounding two of his bodyguards.
(CBS News) CAIRO, Egypt The new leader of al Qaeda in Iraq said in an audiotape posted on the Internet Thursday that more than 4,000 foreign insurgent fighters have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. 
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Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq called for the kidnapping of Westerners to swap for a Muslim cleric jailed in the United States, according to an Internet audio tape issued on Thursday while at least 22 people were killed in separate incidents of violence across Iraq.
(KUNA) -- Two Iraqi soldiers were killed, 25 wounded, on Thursday when a suicide attacker blew up his car outside an Iraqi Army headquarters in northeastern Baghdad. An Iraqi security source said the blast took place around 7:45 a.m. Baghdad time, noting that among the wounded were 16 civilians.
(KUNA) -- A joint US-Iraqi force on Saturday arrested 25 gunmen and seized weapon caches nearby Yusufiyah town south of Baghdad, announced the Multi-National Force on Thursday. An MNF press release said the operation, dubbed "Hurricane Winds", targeted a mortar cell in the town of Janabi southwest of Yusufiyah, noting that nine 60mm mortar rounds, a 60mm mortar system, a Dishka heavy machinegun, three rocket propelled grenade launchers, a Katusha rocket and multiple AK-47 assault rifles were seized in the operation.
(KUNA) -- Police director of Alqdiya and Kirkuk districts Brigadier Sarhad Qader survived an assassination attempt when an explosive device targeted his motorcade was detonated Thursday. Qader told KUNA, the bomb blasted around noon as he was returning to central Kirkuk with a Multi-National Forces (MNF) patrol car.
(KUNA) -- Unknown gunmen killed on Thursday two relatives of Al-Anfal trial's Judge Mohammad Al-Oraibi, said an Iraqi security source. Speaking to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA), the source said the judge's brother-in-law Ali Kadhem Abdul-Husain and his seven-year-old son were killed in Al-Ghazaliyah district as they were moving their furniture to relocate into a different area. There are also unconfirmed reports that Abdul-Husain's wife was also killed, added the source. Al-Oraibi is presiding over the trial of former Iraqi President Saddam Husain and six of his aides.
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JERUSALEM - A Palestinian militant was on Thursday handed 12 life sentences by an Israeli military court after being found guilty of involvement in a suicide bombing that killed 11 people, a legal source said.
September 28, 2006: Military commanders the world over are struggling to figure out how to deal with the massive changes created by the arrival of GPS guided bombs (like JDAM). The United States has them, most of them, and the ability to stop others from using them (because America control the GPS satellites). The impact of JDAM has been enormous. It has made air power much more effective, reduced casualties for the force using them, and speeded up combat operations. Few non-professionals have noticed this, but generals and admirals of the major military powers have. These changes are enormous, but the mass media has not really noticed what is going on here. So few people are aware of how much JDAM has changed the way wars are fought. 
JERUSALEM Syrian President Bashar Assad yesterday issued a decree urging his citizens to move to the Golan Heights, claiming the International Committee of the Red 
(KUNA) -- Israeli fighter jets executed air raids on Thursday over a number of Lebanese areas while Israeli forces continued to construct the border fence and operate patrol vehicles. A security source told Kuwait News Agency (KUNA) that the fighter jets flew this afternoon over West Bekaa and Lake Qaroun and continued to fly at low levels in the direction of Iqlim Al-Tuffah and Jezzine in the South. The source added that the jets flew over Nabatiya and Marjayoun, as well as over the areas of Al-Khayyam and Arqoub from a medium range.
