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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Two arrested in Tulsa shooting spree
Oklahoma authorities arrested two people early Sunday in connection with a deadly spree of random shootings in Tulsa. The police identified the arrested men as Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32. They were taken into custody from a house in Tulsa.

Capt. Jonathan Brooks said, "We're not exactly sure what their relationship is to another; whether they are friends or extended family members,"

The pair will be charged with three counts of murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill. Detectives were interrogating the two men Sunday morning and do not yet know their motive.
Posted by: ryuge || 04/08/2012 06:54 || Comments || Link || [336067 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "For a white male to come that deep into that area and to start indiscriminately shooting......," Blakney told CNN.

Interesting statement to say the least.
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 8:21 Comments || Top||

#2  An agenda-laced account. Writer should be ashamed.
Posted by: badanov || 04/08/2012 9:38 Comments || Top||

#3  England appears to be as "white" as Zimmerman...oh yeah, never mind.
Posted by: Gabby Cussworth || 04/08/2012 18:18 Comments || Top||


Hiker finds beheaded ducks, rooster along Griswold, CT trail
Take that, monkey wrench. :-)
State environmental police are investigating the dumping of decapitated fowl alongside a trail at Pachaug State Forest this week.
You just know there's gotta be more to it than that ....
Donna Fenter, of Griswold, said she came upon the pile of 11 decapitated ducks and one rooster Thursday while hiking the blue trail near the Pachaug boat launch between Pachaug State Forest and Hopeville Pond State Park. On top of the animals were used condoms and torn condom wrappers, she said.
Urp. OK, now you've got my attention.
"It was gruesome," she said. "Who would ever think of something like that?"
Can't be too careful these days.
Since she encountered the grisly scene, she said neighbors and friends have come up with their own theory theories.

"One suggested it could be some sort of ritual," she said. "But I don't know. I can't even think like that."
Neither can I. Of course.
Dennis Schain, a spokesman for the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, which is investigating the incident, said the fowl were domesticated, not wild.
So they were bred for foul play...
The site has since been cleaned up by park maintenance, and the investigation is ongoing.
Maybe we can get some investigative guidance from Obean.
In the meantime, Fenter said the discovery has shaken her sense of safety in the town where she has lived for 11 years.
You have nothing to fear, Donna. You're not a duck.
But is she also not a rooster?
"I figured, it's Griswold. It's a small town. Of course it's safe," she said. "When I made the discovery on my way back (to the car), I sat in my car and just sobbed thinking that it really isn't so safe. There are very terrible, horrible people out there. I'm just thankful that a child -- mine or someone else's -- didn't have to see that."
See that? Hopefully they weren't part of that.
But Fenter also said she plans to keep going out on the trails with her Labrador retriever, Cooper.
Better keep that retriever on a short leash, Donna, or you might have to teach that dog how to gargle with Listerine.
Pretty cruel, Donna. Naming your dog Cooper. What were you thinking?
Griswold First Selectman Philip Anthony, too, said he was shocked by the discovery. Such a thing has never happened in town, he said.
Have there been any liberal events in the area lately?
In the unincorporated areas, but never in town...
"I'm a bit alarmed. I was born and brought up here, so I'm fairly confident it is not a local resident," he said.
No, no, certainly not!
"No local resident I know -- and I know most of our residents -- would do that sort of thing."
At least you thought you did.
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 05:10 || Comments || Link || [336093 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Obviously they haven't been to Miami. Sounds like Santeria to me.
Ain't freedom of religion grand.
"In 1993, the issue of animal sacrifice was taken to the United States Supreme Court in the case of Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah. The court ruled that animal cruelty laws targeted specifically at Yoruba were unconstitutional.[25] The Yoruba practice of animal sacrifice has seen no significant legal challenges since then."
Posted by: Choluse Graling8806 || 04/08/2012 7:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Y'all live in a dream world, If for one second thst the used Condoms were coincidental.

You know damn well what happened there.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/08/2012 8:48 Comments || Top||

#3  It's in Connecticut.

It's all the typical antistructuralist, marginal behavior typically found in the BosWash corridor, if you ask me. And naturally it's weakening the fabric of reality in the area.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 04/08/2012 9:31 Comments || Top||

#4 
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 04/08/2012 9:32 Comments || Top||

#5  at least it wasn't a chicken
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 10:31 Comments || Top||

#6  But is she also not a rooster?

Donna is a girl's name, and a rooster is a boy. So she's safe. Unless her parent's had some strange ideas about gender or something. Hmm.

Run, Donna. Run ....
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 11:48 Comments || Top||

#7  I find it had to believe this story is real. The clues indicate perversion and if they were smart enough to hide the evidence out i the wild they'd be smart enough to bury it as well. Especially with DNA evidence likely in what might be an animal cruelty crime.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 11:52 Comments || Top||

#8  #7 I find it had to believe this story is real. The clues indicate perversion and if they were smart enough to hide the evidence

Yes Richard, a feather or two...ok, kinky. But entire birds? Perversion!
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 12:01 Comments || Top||

#9  You raise poultry, two-time your SO, and he/she decides to set you up. Cute.
Posted by: KBK || 04/08/2012 13:28 Comments || Top||

#10  Somebody too lazy to pluck & cook?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 04/08/2012 13:41 Comments || Top||

#11  I suspect fowl play.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 04/08/2012 14:19 Comments || Top||

#12  Go to your room, BP.
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 15:11 Comments || Top||

#13  By perversion I assumed they were following the Weimer Republic approved (rumor at least) beastiality combined with beheading the chicken. If that is not defined as perversion the word perversion has no meaning any longer.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 16:34 Comments || Top||

#14  Y'all live in a dream world, If for one second that the used Condoms were coincidental. You know damn well what happened there.

No, I have absolutely no idea what happened there. Condoms are to prevent pregnancy and/or STDs, so the purpose they would have served here is . . . ? Please explain.

And please note, I am familiar with United States v. Sanchez 29 C.M.R. 32 (C.M.A. 1960) (conviction for indecent acts with a chicken), affirming the conviction without resolving the question: which came first, the chicken or Sanchez?
Posted by: RandomJD || 04/08/2012 19:14 Comments || Top||

#15  well, if Sanchez was doing it right, the chicken...
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 19:28 Comments || Top||

#16  ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 19:29 Comments || Top||

#17  There are specific ordinances involving indecencies with chickens? Our lawmakers have too much time on their hands.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 19:36 Comments || Top||

#18  The Chicken Protection League is a strong but largely under-the-radar group but with a strong litigious rep. Most of the Google hits are based on rumors and third-party anecdotes
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 19:47 Comments || Top||

#19  TW: no no, Sanchez was charged under UCMJ Article 134, a general article covering conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline or which discredits the Armed Forces, that is not specifically addressed by other articles (rape, murder, larceny, etc.). Among many other minor offenses, Art. 134 covers sexually indecent acts.

Courts have addressed whether a conviction for indecent acts requires victimizing a woman (no) or even another person (no - the victim may also be, e.g., a chicken or a corpse). So it's the perps' own creativity, assisted by their hapless lawyers and some undoubtedly amused judges, that have defined the scope of "indecent acts" with such specificity.

That said, it has long been a mystery to prosecutors how, precisely, one commits an indecent act with a chicken. Typically the (alcohol-fueled) debate centers on whether or not one would sustain beak and/or claw injuries; and where one would, ahem, stick it. I've yet to hear a plausible account - and perhaps it's better that way!
Posted by: RandomJD || 04/08/2012 22:57 Comments || Top||

#20  RandomJD, I need to show this thread to Mr. Wife, who just inquired if I am about to choke to death in front of him. You military types lead much more interesting lives than I ever imagined.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 23:59 Comments || Top||


-Obits-
Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes is gone
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 11:30 || Comments || Link || [336101 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...I did not agree with his politics and quite often his style, but he had a style...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/08/2012 11:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Sorry, can't generate much sadness except for his family. Wallace helped create the MSM in its current mode of lefty noise machine / DNC propaganda ministry. The closest I can come to a positive comment is that the journos spawned in his wake are lazier, dumber and infinitely more partisan.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 04/08/2012 12:23 Comments || Top||

#3  ..we do forget somethings. Like exposing the Nation of Islam to the light of day.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/08/2012 12:44 Comments || Top||

#4  With respect, Procopius, I disagree. The piece in question was done in 1959; by 1969 or 1979 Wallace would never have put his name on something like it, even if the network would have allowed it to see the light of day.

This 1996 article from The Atlantic shows Wallace in his full detestable, holier-than-thou, partisan hackery. Money grafs, about a panel discussion / thought exercise on a PBS panel show about ethics:

(Professor) Ogletree pushed Wallace. Didn't (Peter) Jennings have some higher duty to do something other than just roll film as soldiers from his own country were being shot? "No," Wallace said flatly and immediately. "You don't have a higher duty. No. No. You're a reporter!" Jennings backtracked fast. Wallace was right, he said: "I chickened out." Jennings said that he had "played the hypothetical very hard."He had lost sight of his journalistic duty to remain detached.

As Jennings said he agreed with Wallace, several soldiers in the room seemed to regard the two of them with horror. Retired Air Force General Brent Scowcroft, who would soon become George Bush's National Security Advisor, said it was simply wrong to stand and watch as your side was slaughtered. "What's it worth?" he asked Wallace bitterly. "It's worth thirty seconds on the evening news, as opposed to saving a platoon."

A few minutes later Ogletree turned to George M. Connell, a Marine colonel in full uniform. Jaw muscles flexing in anger, with stress on each word, Connell said, "I feel utter contempt." Two days after this hypothetical episode, Connell said, Jennings or Wallace might be back with the American forces—and could be wounded by stray fire, as combat journalists often had been before. When that happens, he said, they are "just journalists." Yet they would expect American soldiers to run out under enemy fire and drag them back, rather than leaving them to bleed to death on the battlefield. "I'll do it!" Connell said. "And that is what makes me so contemptuous of them. Marines will die going to get . . . a couple of journalists." The last words dripped disgust.


And that, my friends, was the real Mike Wallace. "You don't have a higher duty! You're a reporter!" should be engraved on the bastard's tombstone.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 04/08/2012 15:22 Comments || Top||

#5  (Professor) Ogletree pushed Wallace. Didn't (Peter) Jennings have some higher duty to do something other than just roll film as soldiers from his own country were being shot? "No," Wallace said flatly and immediately. "You don't have a higher duty. No. No. You're a reporter!" Jennings backtracked fast. Wallace was right, he said: "I chickened out." Jennings said that he had "played the hypothetical very hard."He had lost sight of his journalistic duty to remain detached.

My question would be just what would soldiers be expecting the journalist to do? He isn't armed and he isn't trained for combat, his only tool is a camera.

The most absurd part of the description is the contention of the late Peter Jennings that the journalist remains detached.

Really?

So, in no way can a journalist ever be a part of a story? Ever? Check your local news for any number of incident involving a TV reporter who inserts him/herself into the news.

Check out the next time a tri-letter national news cast features a reporter, like a dumbass, standing in front of a breakwater as a hurricane moves through. Not part of the story, pal?

I bet you become part of the story if one of those ocean swells catch you and take you out to sea.

Big time.

In TV journalism, you are the story, and if you work as though you are detached, you are a dishonest broker of information. Those series of photographs make you the story whether you want to be or not.
Posted by: badanov || 04/08/2012 15:49 Comments || Top||

#6  The piece in question was done in 1959; by 1969 or 1979 Wallace would never have put his name on something like it, even if the network would have allowed it to see the light of day.

Hey, even Benedict Arnold played a critical part of the Battle of Saratoga for the American side. Doesn't mean one can't go bad after making a valued contribution.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/08/2012 16:01 Comments || Top||

#7  What was not included in the excerpt I saw on Free Republic was the hypothetical whether a US journalist was obliged to tip off his own side if said journalist had come into information that an ambush of his side was about to take place.

Show footage or tell your guardians.

Easy choice.

I can see why the professional soldiers were horrified.
Posted by: badanov || 04/08/2012 16:19 Comments || Top||

#8  The man recently died. Can't the trash talk wait a few months? No matter what you think of his politics it's down right liberal to slur a man right after his death.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 16:36 Comments || Top||

#9  Check out the next time a tri-letter national news cast features a reporter, like a dumbass, standing in front of a breakwater as a hurricane moves through.

No. We don't need to trash talk Wallace right now. But these days the weather reporters are the only ones I respect.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 04/08/2012 17:11 Comments || Top||

#10  No. We don't need to trash talk Wallace right now. But these days the weather reporters are the only ones I respect.

Points off for poor reading comprehension.

My point was that TV journalists are part of the story whether they wish to be or not. The point had been raised by the late Peter Jennings, which I addressed. If that is trash talking Mike Wallace then it sucks to be Mike, you and me.
Posted by: badanov || 04/08/2012 17:17 Comments || Top||

#11  For what it's worth, Peter Jennings was a Canadian, not an American. So - it would not have been "his country's" soldiers getting killed.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 04/08/2012 23:47 Comments || Top||


Britain
Galloway faces questions over tax affairs
George Galloway, the firebrand socialist recently re-elected as an MP, has become the latest Left-wing politician to face questions over his tax affairs.

The Sunday Telegraph has established Mr Galloway has channelled his substantial media earnings through one service company and set up another such structure just seven weeks ago.

New details of Mr Galloway’s financial arrangements follow a dispute over a similar arrangement used by Ken Livingstone, Labour’s London mayoral candidate, who was found to have lowered his tax bill legally by receiving some payments though a personal company.

Mr Galloway, who has previously served as an MP for constituencies in Glasgow and London, was elected to represent Bradford West in a by-election 10 days ago.

Records filed at Companies House show that he is the sole director of Molucca Media Ltd, a company founded on Feb 17 this year. It is thought that it takes its name from a group of islands in Indonesia — the politician’s fourth wife, whom he married last weekend, is of Indonesian extraction.

Mr Galloway has used another company, Miranda Media Ltd, to receive his sizeable earnings as a journalist, author and public speaker for more than four years.

Posted by: lotp || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336084 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I always thought this guy was off his rocker. But to have an affair with taxes is just plain sick.
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 4:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Could be worse, wonder if he owns a rooster. Or a duck...
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 9:57 Comments || Top||

#3  I always thought this guy was off his rocker. But to have an affair with taxes is just plain sick
But maybe he has a potency problem and that is the only way to achieve, uh, success. After all, isn't it well known that 'everything's bigger in taxes?'
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 04/08/2012 21:28 Comments || Top||

#4  USN, Ret., you ought to be ashamed of yourself, instead of snickering contentedly after dropping that thing in front of us all. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 21:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Where's Pappy?
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 23:49 Comments || Top||


UK Judges ordered to end 'right to family life' farce
Judges are to be ordered by ministers to end the "abuse" of human rights laws which allows foreign criminals to claim the right to a "family life" to avoid being deported.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has declared that new immigration rules will be in place by the summer to make it "absolutely clear" that those who have committed a crime, broken immigration rules or cannot support themselves must not be allowed to stay.

The move, which follows a Home Office consultation into Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), represents a victory for The Sunday Telegraph which launched a campaign on the issue last year under the slogan: "End the Human Rights Farce."

Mrs May said in an interview with this newspaper: "By the summer, I will have changed the immigration rules so that we can end the abuse of the right to a family life."

Posted by: lotp || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336070 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "A right to family life" and "no-fault divorce". I guess, I'm missing something.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 04/08/2012 3:51 Comments || Top||

#2  The law is designed by lawyers (most MPs are lawyers) to maximise the incomes of lawyers.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 04/08/2012 13:10 Comments || Top||

#3  BP, I'm shocked to read that. At least it appears in the UK they've simply cut out the need and expense of a politician middleman in the process.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/08/2012 13:59 Comments || Top||

#4  to make it "absolutely clear" that those who have committed a crime, broken immigration rules or cannot support themselves must not be allowed to stay.

Gentlemen, this isn't about you. This is about the muzz. An end to jizya. Don't take it so personally.
Posted by: RandomJD || 04/08/2012 18:29 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia Deploys S-400s In Kaliningrad
A Russian newspaper has reported that the military has begun deploying S-400 mobile surface-to-air missiles in Kaliningrad, the Baltic exclave bordered by Poland and Lithuania.
 
Izvestia cited unnamed military officials as saying the missiles arrived Friday, but did not say how many. Russia's Defense Ministry declined comment on the report. S-400s, Russia's most advanced surface-to-air missiles, have a range of 120-400 kilometers (75-250 miles).
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336076 views] Top|| File under:

#1  To defend themselves against what?
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 4:41 Comments || Top||

#2  We can't put anti-missle defenses in Poland (Thanks, Obean!), so we should be rattling our sabers a la Putin right about now. Oh, wait...
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 04/08/2012 8:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Kaliningrad

Land formerly known as East Prussia, a Germanic state for hundreds of years. No right of return there.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/08/2012 9:06 Comments || Top||

#4  No want either
Posted by: European Conservative || 04/08/2012 17:40 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canadian designs hijab for soccer players
International soccer's governing body will consider a prototype of a sports hijab designed by an Iranian-Canadian.

The International Federation of Association Football (FIFA), banned the hijab in 2007. Rule 4 of FIFA's rules states that a player's equipment "must not have any political religious or personal statements."

Last month, however, FIFA announced that it will allow women to wear specially designed sport hijabs. The final decision on the new headwear is expected in summer.

Elham Seyed Javad, 28, owner of Montreal-based IQO Design, said that she didn't think twice about submitting her proposal to FIFA after it reversed its decision. She said, "Not even nine hours after my letter was received, the director general of FIFA's board called me."

If chosen, Javad said the financial gain could be "enormous" as Muslim women around the world could be wearing her design. She said FIFA is expecting her prototype in a few weeks.

This is the second time Javad has designed a sporty hijab. In 2008, she created ResportOn, a hijab for female martial arts athletes. The garment looks like a tank top attached to a balaclava.

She said the Australian federal police bought one of her hijabs for its first female Muslim recruit. The Iranian government is considering one of her designs for all of its female athletes for the 2012 Olympic Games in London, as well.

Javad said, "The hijab is often associated in the media with a loss of power for women. However, I think that people understand that in this case, it's more of a form of freedom for Muslim women who want to play sports."
Posted by: ryuge || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336069 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Great. Let's see how well they play when they can't hear their teammates as well as they should and their bodies are overheating.
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 4:43 Comments || Top||

#2  is it made of mesh? I need to get a patent on this thing quick...
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 04/08/2012 13:14 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
'NYT': Netanyahu, Romney friends for 36 years
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney have a long-standing relationship dating back to 1976, according to an article published Sunday in The New York Times.

Romney and Netanyahu both worked as corporate advisers at the Boston Consulting Group and attended the same weekly firm sessions.

The shared history has led to a warm friendship, which included joint meals in Boston, New York and Jerusalem, The New York Times article reported. A network of mutual friends and their common conservative ideologies have further drawn the two politicians together.
That's the end for Romney.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 04/08/2012 13:42 || Comments || Link || [336099 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
The shared history has led to a warm friendship, which included joint meals in Boston, New York and Jerusalem

And, the problem is????
Posted by: Willy || 04/08/2012 15:22 Comments || Top||

#2  More code language and more battle-space preparation.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 17:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Anti-Jooo Dog Whistle
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 17:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Read: evil Zionist conspiracy hatched for 36 years
Posted by: European Conservative || 04/08/2012 17:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Makes it sound sinister and nefarious, like "Ahmedinejad, Romney, friends for 36 years." Except, Dinnerjacket would've been like, 12 years old and 3 feet tall.
Posted by: RandomJD || 04/08/2012 18:57 Comments || Top||

#6  **** cough *** cough *** cough *** ...

We discovered it only now in 2012, didn't we???

[SPEED RACER = SPEEDY GONZALES here].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/08/2012 19:48 Comments || Top||

#7  "Except, Dinnerjacket would've been like, 12 years old and 3 feet tall."

So now Ah-a-dinnah-jacket is 48 years old and 3 feet tall, Random? ;-p
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 19:57 Comments || Top||

#8  The question is does this help or hurt the money flow out of the Jewish folks who are now disenfranchised with Obama. In a lot of cases I think those folks are pro-Israel but not necessarily pro-Netanyahu.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 21:40 Comments || Top||

#9  That'd be good news, if it were true...

I mean, since "Romney is our choice", etc. and all that effing bs...

Mitten's breathlessness and "excitable boy" exuberance is about as off-putting and depressing to endure as I can imagine. We are so SCREWED!
Posted by: canalzone || 04/08/2012 23:51 Comments || Top||


Stand Your Ground Laws = More Homicides?
In Florida and across the country, "Stand Your Ground" laws -- the same kind of legislation that authorities cited for not arresting a neighborhood-watch volunteer after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was killed in Florida in February -- have coincided with a sharp increase in justifiable-homicide cases.
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. although the WaPo article leads off with a bad incident, which it finally explains at the end of page 2. Maybe some of those justifiable homicide cases took the place of unsolved murders.
Prosecutors still reject many claims of self-defense under the new law, and no long-term studies definitively tie the rise in justifiable killings to the passage of laws that relieve citizens of the responsibility to back away from threats.
So why am I reading this article in the Sunday WaPo?
But the Martin case has focused a spotlight on incidents in which the mere statement that people feel endangered allows them to -- depending on your sense of what's right -- defend themselves against thugs or act like vigilantes.

This sharp turn in American law -- expanding the right to defend one's home from attack into a more general right to meet force with force in any public place -- began in Florida in 2005 and has spread to more than 30 other states as a result of a campaign by the National Rifle Association and a corporate-backed group called the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which promotes conservative bills.

Some police chiefs and other law enforcement officials warned that the measure would make it hard to convict people of murder -- defendants would simply claim self-defense and challenge prosecutors to prove they were lying.

But those concerns were heavily outweighed by lawmakers' desire to send a message to taxpayers that the justice system would no longer consider suspect those who defend themselves against attack.
Or is it an admission that the State can no longer claim to protect you, from the cradle to the grave?
In the aftermath of the 2001 terrorist attacks and amid images of lawlessness in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, many Floridians -- and Americans generally -- felt less safe and believed the justice system could not protect victims, said a study of Stand Your Ground laws by the National District Attorneys Association.

Hammer told legislators her bill would protect citizens who simply defended themselves: "You can't expect a victim to wait before taking action to protect herself and say, 'Excuse me, Mr. Criminal, did you drag me into this alley to rape and kill me, or do you just want to beat me up and steal my purse?' "

The Florida Senate passed the bill unanimously.

The law says a person "has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm."

In response, a pro-gun-control group put up ads aimed at visiting tourists alerting them to "Florida's Shoot First Law."
Sure, now the poor disadvantaged people will be forced to kill you just to take your wallet to feed their family, because they fear you'll defend yourself.
Asked about the Martin case last week, former governor Jeb Bush, initially an enthusiastic backer of the legislation, said, "Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back."

Hammer sees no cause to refine or backtrack. Neither she nor NRA officials responded to requests for comment, but Hammer told the Palm Beach Post that officials should not be "stampeded by emotionalism. . . . This law is not about one incident. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the law."
Not that some won't use the incident to try to disarm the gun-totin', Bible-thumpin' rubes in flyover country.
Posted by: Bobby || 04/08/2012 11:44 || Comments || Link || [336096 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Firearm Ownership is Mandatory for All Households in Kennesaw, Georgia

25 29 Years Later, "Gun Town USA" Continues to Maintains Exceptionally Low Crime Stats

Link
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  nice WaPo handwringing. These are the douchebags that made outlawing guns for noncriminals in DC acceptable, while the criminal class never had a problem getting/carrying/using guns. They are philosophically against a citizen doing anything for themselves without State control, even self-defense
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 12:10 Comments || Top||

#3  The WaPo element doesn't have a problem either. They have doormen and security systems in their DC-area condos, gated communities, armed security and cops who are quite aware of who is paying their salaries.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/08/2012 12:40 Comments || Top||

#4  Question which never get answered.

How many unjustified murders have been prevented by Stand your ground and simular doctrines.

And yes, you *do* have to count (or estimate) future murders the goblin may commit which his untimly demise prevented.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/08/2012 12:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Had someone ask me once why I wasn't afraid to have my kids handling guns. I told them the guns are fine, but I won't let the kids use my power tools--those are dangerous!
Posted by: Iblis || 04/08/2012 12:56 Comments || Top||

#6  It is important to jump into a tragedy and force opinions onto people before the facts come out. If you are loud enough and repeat the issues enough people will remember your opinion years later no matter what the reality. This is the game the MSM plays. They had to know the edited tape would be exposed yet did it anyway. They all know the Stand Your Ground did not apply in this situation yet they keep harping it.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 16:38 Comments || Top||

#7  Even more battle-space preparation for the fall election. The progressive pols behind Champ's campaign are looking for every 0.1% of the electorate they can get right now.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 17:04 Comments || Top||

#8  "defendants would simply claim self-defense and challenge prosecutors to prove they were lying."

Isn't that the essence of innocent until proven guilty?
Posted by: flash91 || 04/08/2012 17:12 Comments || Top||

#9  Good thing you're not an editor for the media, flash91!
Posted by: Bobby || 04/08/2012 17:34 Comments || Top||

#10  "Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back."

I think Jeb bush has a point here. This applied even in the roughest times of the Wild West.
Posted by: European Conservative || 04/08/2012 17:39 Comments || Top||

#11  Bill Cosby: persuasive as shit. Comments are entirely about judgment, not about race. What was a neighborhood watch guy doing with a loaded gun?
Posted by: RandomJD || 04/08/2012 18:47 Comments || Top||

#12  What was a neighborhood watch guy doing with a loaded gun?

Exercising his rights as spelled out in the Constitution.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 04/08/2012 20:04 Comments || Top||

#13  Key word: JUSTIFIED. These previously would have gone down as manslaughter charges, and then been dropped or plea bargained down.

What was a neighborhood watch guy doing with a loaded gun?

As opposed to carrying an unloaded one? Do you realize just how much stupidity and bias your question shows?

To answer your question, silly as it is: He was doing the same thing I do with my CCW permit (or no permit at all if you live in Alaska Vermont or similar) - having his chosen legal weapon on his person, to defend against an assailant. I try to be armed at all times that it is legal for me to be so. That is my personal God-given right to self defense, per natural law, and enumerated in the 2nd Amendment.

And yes, I am also on my local Neighborhood Watch. Would you expect me to DISARM because I volunteered to keep an eye on my neighbors houses, and occasionally distribute flyers and crime prevention tips from the local Sheriff? (that's all the NW usually is).

The one thing different is I would have exercised better judgement (and that's the one thing I hold against Zimmerman): I would have simply called 911 from my vehicle and circled the block, keeping a quiet distant eye on things until the PD arrives. I have no desire to jump into a "situation" unless there is a life at stake. In the service, I got enough of putting myself in harms way (and consequently harming others) to last me the rest of my life. Zimmerman is learning the hard lesson that killing another person, even if justified, changes things.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/08/2012 21:24 Comments || Top||

#14  OldSpook: with you 100% both in terms of carrying (you have a 2nd amendment right to do so) and Zimmerman's behavior.

Just because a person is in the neighborhood watch and is carrying does NOT mean that it is prudent to approach someone who you think might be trouble. Call 911, keep a discrete eye on the person of interest and stay the hell out of the way. You intervene only if there is a life on the line, and then you'd better be well trained, capable of reacting, and DAMNED SURE you're right.

Otherwise you're in a world of hurt, both from society and from your own conscience for the rest of your life.

Zimmerman's training? Don't know, haven't seen this in the news. His reactions? Suspect. Sure he's right? Don't know yet, sure hope the special prosecutor answers that correctly.

Now I THINK Mr. Cosby, whom I respect, is trying to get at this, but (of course) in a TV interview he can't lay it all out as you can in print. His complaint about carrying, I think, is not about a right to carry (I don't know if he honors the 2nd amendment or not) but more about being prudent and careful.

IF that's what he meant, then we're all in violent agreement.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 21:35 Comments || Top||

#15  OS - agreed
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 22:55 Comments || Top||

#16  by the way - the "following/apprehending" is in question. Purportedly, he'd started to return to his vehicle, when the altercation began, I know jack sh*t other than what we've all read/heard. I won't say anything further til the facts be known
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 22:59 Comments || Top||

#17  Good points.

What I am interested in, and nobody has ever explained it, is what was Trayvon doing that peaked Zimmerman's interest to the point where he left his vehicle and call 911.

The story so far seems that say that Zimmerman called 911 solely because he saw a hooded figure walking down the street. Is this 'normal' for a neighborhood watch? Or was Treyvon (who had been caught with 'burglary tools and womans jewelery') might have been taking too close a look at the houses along the street.

Is there a situation where a Watch person would leave their vehicle?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/08/2012 23:05 Comments || Top||

#18  Transcript:
http://bizsecurity.about.com/od/creatingpolicies/a/A-Transcript-Of-The-George-Zimmerman-Police-Call.htm

Dispatcher

Sanford Police Department.

Zimmerman

Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher

OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

Zimmerman

He looks black.

Dispatcher

Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman

Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring.

Dispatcher

OK, he's just walking around the area…

Zimmerman

looking at all the houses.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/08/2012 23:15 Comments || Top||

#19  People getting from point A to B don't really take in the sights. And within these cooker cutter condo complexes, there really isn't much to look at. My guess is that Martin was casing the area, was unhappy at being disturbed, and decided to beat the crap out of Zimmerman. While stomping Zimmerman, he saw the gun, reached for it, and turned a fistfight into a fight to the death.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/08/2012 23:25 Comments || Top||

#20  RandomJD: What was a neighborhood watch guy doing with a loaded gun?

In this instance, Zimmerman was running an errand, not on patrol. Still, neighborhood watches involve night time patrols, and evenings are when criminals come out to play. In addition, neighborhood watch people are looking for trouble, though in the sense of finding and reporting criminals rather than arresting them. If they run into criminals on the job, and the perps are armed or numerous, their lives could be in jeopardy. It would not make sense to have a neighborhood watch without weapons. I've read about neighborhood watches in Third World countries where gun control is pretty strict. They carry fighting sticks or batons in case of attack. The irony is that any neighborhood watch where weapons aren't needed is probably a superfluous neighborhood watch.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/08/2012 23:34 Comments || Top||

#21  Thanks Zhang. Looks like he might have been 'looking (or staring?) at houses' on his way home. That would mean a few things.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/08/2012 23:50 Comments || Top||

#22  People who are against neighborhood watch people carrying guns are a little naive. Criminals who might hesitate to attack cops have no compunction about attacking civilians. Mayberry was 50 years ago.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/08/2012 23:58 Comments || Top||


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Pakistani troops dig for 117 missing in avalanche
Follow-up from yesterday's story. Read also the very useful Outside Magazine story, link courtesy of Besoeker from yesterday's comments.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistani soldiers dug into a massive avalanche in a mountain battleground close to the Indian border on Saturday, searching for at least 117 of their colleagues buried when the wall of snow engulfed a military complex.

More than 12 hours after the disaster at the entrance to the Siachen Glacier, no survivors had been found.

“We are waiting for news and keeping our fingers crossed,” said army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas.

Hundreds of troops, sniffer dogs and mechanical equipment were at the scene, but were struggling to make much headway into the avalanche, which crashed down onto the rear headquarters building in the Gayari sector early in the morning, burying it under some 70 meters (75 yards) of snow, said Abbas.

“It’s on a massive scale,” he said. “Everything is completely covered.”

Siachen is on the northern tip of the divided Kashmir region claimed by both India and Pakistan. The thousands of troops from both nations stationed there brave viciously cold temperatures, altitude sickness, high winds and isolation for months at a time. Troops have been deployed at elevations of up to 6,700 meters (22,000 feet) and have skirmished intermittently since 1984, though the area has been quiet since a cease-fire in 2003. The glacier is known as the world’s highest battlefield.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani expressed his shock at the incident, which he said “would in no way would undermine the high morale of soldiers and officers.”

The headquarters in Gayari, situated at around 4,572 meters (15,000 feet) is the main gateway through which troops and supplies pass on their to other more remote outposts in the sector. It is situated in a valley between two high mountains, close to a military hospital, according to an officer who was stationed there in 2003.

“I can’t comprehend how an avalanche can reach that place,” said the officer. “It was supposed to be safe.”

More soldiers have died from the weather than combat on the glacier, which was uninhabited before troops moved there.

Conflict there began in 1984 when India occupied the heights of the 78-kilometer (49-mile)-long glacier, fearing Pakistan wanted to claim the territory. Pakistan also deployed its troops. Both armies remain entrenched despite the cease-fire, costing the poverty-stricken countries many millions of dollars each year.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336070 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “I can’t comprehend how an avalanche can reach that place,” said the officer. “It was supposed to be safe.”

mm maybe it was set off?
Be good to know.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/08/2012 8:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Definitely snow djinns. Somebody must have annoyed them somehow.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 10:20 Comments || Top||

#3  “Everything is completely covered.”

Do they have a spring thaw that high up? That might help.
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 11:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Might take awhile to melt 80 feet of snow.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/08/2012 12:13 Comments || Top||

#5  There little common about the common soldier. I am saddened, as I am sure you are as well, at the death of even one.

“I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!”
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 12:21 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesian congregation secretly celebrates Easter
Around 60 members of the beleaguered GKI Taman Yasmin Protestant church held a clandestine Easter service at one of its member’s houses in Bogor on Sunday. The worshipers spread the invitation to the service among church members and a few journalists but withheld the information from the police, who they regard as useless in safeguarding them.

Church-goers took a lesson from last year’s Christmas celebration, where they were disrupted by dozens of hard-liners from the Reform Movement (Garis) and the Muslim Communications Forum (Forkami).

Bona Sigalingging, the church’s spokesman, said, "The police were there, but they did not do much to help us. Ever since, we have found no point in telling the police about our activities."

Bona said that limiting information to worshipers and trusted journalists was the best way to conduct religious activities without interruption or intimidation. He said, "For this Easter service, we just announced the location on Saturday."

Since Bogor Mayor Diani Budiarto suspended the church’s building permit in 2008, the church’s members have gone from one house to another to perform their religious activities.

Bona said that some worshipers couldn't bear the uncertain situation and had decided to move to other churches. He said, "We used to have 600 members who regularly came to our church. Now we have only 70 [active] members."
Posted by: ryuge || 04/08/2012 08:13 || Comments || Link || [336072 views] Top|| File under:


Myanmar holds talks with rebels
YANGON: Myanmar's president had a landmark meeting on Saturday with one of the country's biggest ethnic rebel groups, a mediator said, marking one of the biggest steps taken by a government seeking "everlasting peace" after decades of hostilities.

Thein Sein, a former infantry commander and heavyweight in the junta that ceded power a year ago, told a visiting delegation of the Karen National Union (KNU) that his government viewed the rebels as brothers rather than enemy with whom the army had fought since 1949.

The meeting in the capital Naypyitaw was the first time the reform-minded president had met rebel leaders since he issued a call for dialogue last August, embarking on a three-phase peace process with more than a dozen groups aimed at bringing them into Myanmar's new political system.

"The president explained his change of attitude toward ethnic armed groups," a mediator who attended the meeting told Reuters by telephone. "He told them he considered ethnic armed groups as enemies when he was a soldier but after becoming president, he considers them as ethnic brethren."

Peace with the militias has been demanded by Western nations now reviewing economic and political sanctions. The former regime's suppression of ethnic minorities and allegations of human rights violations by troops were a key factor in imposing the embargoes.

The peace process is one of the most ambitious plans by a quasi-civilian government dominated by retired generals of the authoritarian regime who were despised by most Burmese and regarded by the West as pariahs. The new administration has embarked on a wave of social, political and economic reforms that it says are "irreversible" as it seeks to get sanctions lifted to allow a flood of foreign investment into one of Asia's last remaining frontier markets.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336092 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As per TOPIX + DAILY TIMES.PK, at this Metting the Rebels = Ethnic Groups had demanded GENUINE OR REAL "FEDERALISM" + REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY
[Govt-Power Sharing] IN MYANMAR, not just more Junta "lip service" to same.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/08/2012 22:02 Comments || Top||


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Happy Easter!
I'm surprised there's no Happy Easter thread here - Happy Easter to all our Christian Rantburgers.

And if it's not too late, Happy Passover to our Jewish Rantburgers. (Or maybe Mazel Tov is better?)
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 11:47 || Comments || Link || [336098 views] Top|| File under:

#1  happy Easter and happy Passover to all
Posted by: Frank G || 04/08/2012 12:03 Comments || Top||

#2  And to you as well.

Conspiracy!
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 12:25 Comments || Top||

#3  It's Happy Passover, Barbara. Mazel Tov is for weddings and graduations and such. The Seder was on Friday evening, then we go without bread and cake for eight days.

Thank you for catching the lack! And Happy Easter and/or Passover to all Rantburgers who are celebrating!
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/08/2012 12:35 Comments || Top||

#4  We're celebrating both - with snow unfortunately
Posted by: European Conservative || 04/08/2012 14:15 Comments || Top||

#5  That's Gerbil Worming for you, EC.

We're all doomed! ;-p

Happy Easter/Passover.
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 15:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Happy Easter to all my Christian friends and Happy Passover to all my Jewish friends.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/08/2012 17:04 Comments || Top||

#7  @Barbara

People in Germany are slowly cooling to the idea of GW.
Posted by: European Conservative || 04/08/2012 20:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Eggs-cellent, EC. :-D
Posted by: Barbara || 04/08/2012 22:18 Comments || Top||

#9  Both of you - to your rooms.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/08/2012 23:01 Comments || Top||


Armed Neo-Nazis Now Patrolling Sanford
Thanks, sensational MSM. Sleep well.
As noted by Orion in the comments and by Prof. Jacobson in his excellent Legal Insurrection yesterday, this is bogus. I strongly suspect the whole story was planted by some progressive type as part of the campaign to distract America from the real issues of the economy, world affairs and the direction of our country.
Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot. The patrols are to protect "white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety" in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. "We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it," he says. "We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over."

Because nothing diffuses racial tension like gun-toting racial separatists patrolling an already on-edge community.

Schoep, whose neo-Nazi group is based in Detroit, tells Riptide the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

A group called the New Black Panther Party recently offered $10,000 for a citizens' arrest of George Zimmerman, Martin's shooter. Schoep said the bounty is a sign that "the possibility of further racial violence... is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets."

The patrols are comprised of between 10 and 20 locals and "volunteers" from across the state, including some from Miami, he added. He couldn't go into specifics on what kind of firepower, exactly, the patrols had with them.

"In Arizona the guys can walk around with assault weapons and that's totally legal," Schoep said, referring to the group's patrols of the US-Mexico border. "What I can tell you is that any patrols that we are doing now in Florida are totally within the law."

Asked if the patrols wouldn't just make things worse -- spark a race riot, for instance -- Schoep insisted they were simply a "show of solidarity with the white community down there" and "wouldn't intimidate anybody."

"Whenever there is one of these racially charged events, Al Sharpton goes wherever blacks need him," Schoep said. "We do similar things. We are a white civil rights organization."

He went to great lengths to contrast his organization with the New Black Panther Party, who he blamed for scaring local whites and spurring the need for NSM patrols. Schoep admits that the NSM and the Black Panthers are actually alike in that they are both racial separatists. But he sees a double-standard in the government's treatment of the two groups.

"The Black Panthers have been offering bounties and all that," he says. "But if we called for a bounty on someone's head, I guarantee we'd be locked up as quick as I could walk out of my house."

Schoep was also quick to clarify that he isn't taking sides in Trayvon Martin's controversial shooting. "That's for the courts to decide," he says. Besides, Schoep says, Zimmerman's not even white.

"I think there is some confusion going on," Schoep says. "A lot of people think that this guy who shot Trayvon was white... but he's half Hispanic or Cuban or something. He certainly doesn't look white to me."

To some, sending in the storm troops seems like a sure way to incite -- not prevent -- a race riot. But Schoep says that's way off base.

"We don't wish for things like that," he says. "But there have been race riots in Detroit and L.A... So we know those types of things happen."

"You can either be prepared or you can be blindsided," he adds. "This way, if something were to touch off a race riot, we'd already be in the area."

How reassuring.
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 04:47 || Comments || Link || [336088 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I believe Professor Jacobson called the Sanford PD and this appears to be totally bogus. They said IIRC that the largest gathering they had was of children and their mothers for an Easter-egg hunt.

No neo-Nazis. Just the usual MSM fanning the flames.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/

Orion
Posted by: Orion || 04/08/2012 5:09 Comments || Top||

#2  "Whenever there is one of these racially charged events, Al Sharpton goes wherever blacks need him," Schoep said. "We do similar things. We are a white civil rights organization."

Wow…and as it turns out both you and Al also happen to be Socialists. Go figure. Hey…can’t y’all just get along?
Posted by: DepotGuy || 04/08/2012 8:11 Comments || Top||

#3  I can't help but thinking that Al Sharpton hasn't done blacks a damn bit of net good in the last fifty years.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 04/08/2012 9:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow...and as it turns out both you and Al also happen to be Socialists. Go figure. Hey...can't y'all just get along?

If they can't just get along, at least we can hope both sides are good shots.
Posted by: badanov || 04/08/2012 9:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Drudge bought into the story...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 04/08/2012 10:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Ok, bogus. I got it, but perhaps someone could post the marching music anyway.
Posted by: Besoeker || 04/08/2012 11:24 Comments || Top||

#7  Perhaps someone should send Jacobson's report to Drudge and get the bogus angle widely spread.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 11:49 Comments || Top||

#8  I can't help but thinking that Al Sharpton hasn't done blacks a damn bit of net good in the last fifty years.

I thought he was much older than that.
Posted by: gorb || 04/08/2012 11:52 Comments || Top||

#9  Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot.

Ever notice that whenever a picture of some "fascist militia" group is posted, it invariably turns out to be a handful of goobers who'd probably have trouble getting jobs stocking shelves at the local Jiffy Mart?

I grew up just outside of Dayton, OH in the 60's and early 70's. One of the fixtures of a Dayton-area summer was an annual Klan "rally" sponsored by a Lebanon, OH farmer named Parkie Scott. In those days, the area civil-rights orgs didn't bother with counter-demonstrations, and the local media didn't bother with sensationalistic coverage...all that was needed was a TV camera with a nice wide angle shot, showing all of seven or eight bedsheet-covered idiots in a fallow field, standing around their burning cross.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 04/08/2012 12:37 Comments || Top||

#10  It may be bogus, but I do have a question. People who define themselves as Neo-Nazis, or are defined as such by MSM? I'm asking because I'm a racist (Zionism = Racism).
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 04/08/2012 13:34 Comments || Top||

#11  Actually, what are you asking? I didn't see a question in there.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 04/08/2012 16:33 Comments || Top||

#12  I can't help but thinking that Al Sharpton hasn't done blacks a damn bit of net good in the last fifty years.

True enough, then again they haven't done themselves much good either. Collectively speaking, there are of course exceptions.
Posted by: Secret Asian Man || 04/08/2012 17:15 Comments || Top||

#13  Ok, bogus. I got it, but perhaps someone could post the marching music anyway.

Okay, filling yer Nazi marching-song needs right here. Soundtrack is from the movie "Battle of the Bulge."

Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 04/08/2012 18:17 Comments || Top||

#14  My favorite comment is from the Sanford Police:

“We have no indication of any such patrols at this point in Sanford. The only large gathering was the children and their parents at the Easter egg hunt.”
Posted by: Frozen Al || 04/08/2012 18:42 Comments || Top||



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