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-Land of the Free
This Week in Guns, December 12th, 2015


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

Rantburger Brer Rabbit beat me to it with his link to a very good summary of what light infantry really means, what it is and what light infantry does. The blog linked, for me at least, is a new one and from a gentleman with some apparent experience in light infantry tactics. The discussion was linked by Western Rifle Shooters Association as a discussion of what civil war in the US would look like in the wake of gun confiscation laws being passed in the future.

As in the last massacre, the left most helpfully has been pushing the public mind to accept gun confiscation as a goal they have had all along. I never really looked upon it as such, but Rantburger Silentbrick characterized it as a call for slavery. My only beef is that compared with the way things should be under a constitutional republic, we are all already slaves; it is now a matter of degree of how much more the government and their enablers can take. Right now, it is just money and civil rights, but the direction they are going suggests guns and blood are what they are after.

The main reason for referencing the discussion is this gem from a commenter:

The greatest paradigm shift required is a willingness to allow commanders to actually command an action from the air. All too often company commanders are forced to develop situational awareness solely through situation reports submitted by subordinate units. Fire force commanders could talk to, as well as see, their troops. Consequently, they were able to achieve the tempo necessary to outmaneuver and defeat an elusive enemy similar to the type Marines faced during Operation RESTORE HOPE. We would be remiss if we failed to study the modern conflict of the Rhodesian War and ignored the lessons learned.

Read the entire comment. It is a summary of an article on how Rhodesian light infantry dealt with a hostile guerrilla movement through the use of light infantry tactics. Capture the links as well. They have a number of good resources both on the history of light infantry and some data on tactics.

This matters because at Sipsey Street Irregulars there was a reference to a gun shop that was shut down because of violations of ATF rules. What the ATF did was to take information from the FFL and give it to the New York State Police, so that they could check those lists against lists of ARs that are required to be registered under the SAFE Act. The Form 4473 from which this data was collected is supposed to be destroyed within 24 hours after the background check is complete, but ATF rules, as I understand it, require FFLs to post the data to a separate book so that ATF agents can see them. Apparently no rule exists that disallows the ATF from passing that information to local authorities, but I seriously doubt that the rule that requires destruction of the form 4473 was intended to be used to allow that information to be passed on in any other form.

As that matter stands now, about 200 firearms owners in New York have been contacted and told to turn in their firearms (ARs) so federal prosecutors can use them as evidence. The notification that went to the owners did not say whether the owners would get their guns back, but I suspect that any transfer would require another background check. Maybe through a friendlier FFL.

Hershel Smith points out that the Form 4473 is not a definitive indicator of ownership. Given the way the letter reads, the problem for gun owners is that if they sold or transferred the weapon elsewhere they could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

Mike Vanderboegh said that this could be the spark that sets off a civil war, but I doubt it. A conflict will only arise if those gun owners refuse to turn over their guns.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition and rifle ammunition were mixed.

Prices for .223 55 grain ammunition jumped 10 percent higher from last week, much the same prices did last year at this time. Because of all the gun/AR-banning talk coming out of Washington and their media enablers, it is hard to tell if the jump is seasonal (due to Christmas) or because of fears of a frisky federal government. Time will tell if prices continue to hold throughout the year as they did last time banning M-855 ammunition was being considered. If prices drop after Christmas, then I can speculate that the jump will be seasonal.

Also consider this note from last week (quoting): Note, also that the price for .223 55 grain ammunition is the lowest it has been since last year at $0.21 per round.

Prices for used pistols and for used rifles were mixed.

New Lows:

None

Pistol Ammunition

.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: -.02 Each

Cheapest, 50 rounds: Quality Made Cartridges, Store Brand, FMJ, Brass, Reloads, .25 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Blok Tactical, Store Brand, TMJ, Reloads, .24 per round (From Last week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, +.02 Each After Unchanged (8 Weeks)

Cheapest, 50 rounds: Freedom Munitions, Store Brand, RNFP, Brass, Factory Seconds, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammunition Planet, Store Brand, FMJ, Brass, Reloads; .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks)

Cheapest, 50 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .17 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .16 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3Q, 2015))

.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)

Cheapest, 50 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .28 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .25 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks))

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: +.02 Each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Tulammo, steel cased, FMJ, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Tulammo, steel cased, FMJ, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (7 Weeks)

Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Supply Company, Tulammo, steel cased, FMJ, .37 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, steel cased, FMJ, .34 per round (From Last Week: -.10 Each (!))

7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Depot, Wolf WPA, steel case, FMJ, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: TrueCaliber.com, Wolf WPA, steel case, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)

Cheapest, 20 rounds (10 Box Limit): Ammomen, Federal Gold Medal, RNL .08 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds (5 Box Limit): Target Sports USA, Aguila, RNL, .08 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks))

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles

.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $530 Last Week Avg: $510 (+) ($616 (35 Weeks), $476 (11 Weeks))
California (215, 218): Mossberg MMR Hunter : $550 ($650 (45 Weeks), $400 (14 Weeks))
Texas (256, 263): Sig Sauer M400 SRP SWAT: $400 ($700 (40 Weeks), $350 (35 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (131, 155): Mixed Build: $600 ($700 (34 Weeks), $300 (22 Weeks))
Virginia (153, 157): Armory Dynamics: $600 ($750 (40 Weeks), $500 (44 Weeks))
Florida (336, 345): Ruger Model 8500: $500 ($650 (24 Weeks), $380 (36 Weeks))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $890 Last Week Avg: $846 (+) ($1,359 (34 Weeks), $820 (10 Weeks))
California (44, 48): Palmetto State Armory: $950 ($1,700 (49 Weeks), $850 (19 Weeks))
Texas (55, 46): Bushmaster: $1,000 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $800 (18 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (23, 24): Palmetto State Armory PA10: $900 ($1,500 (40 Weeks), $700 (11 Weeks))
Virginia (48, 51): Mixed Build: $1,100 ($1,650 (23 Weeks), $800 (6 Weeks))
Florida (71, 70): Rock River LAR8 Operator: $500 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $500 (10 Weeks))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $586 Last Week Avg: $555 (+) ($626 (36 Weeks), $450 (23 Weeks))
California (42, 44): WASR 10: $600 ($700 (39 Weeks), $320 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (56, 61): Norinco: $700 ($750 (38 Weeks), $350 (3Q, 2014))
Pennsylvania (47, 51): Century Arms VZ2008: $530 ($750 (45 Weeks), $375 (30 Weeks))
Virginia (44, 46): I.O.: $500 ($625 (41 Weeks), $350 (43 Weeks))
Florida (91, 98): CAI (Polish): $600 ($650 (34 Weeks), $300 (4Q, 2014))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $342 Last Week Avg: $350 (-) ($489 (42 Weeks), $296 (24 Weeks))
California (8, 8): Mossberg 464: $360 ($500 (19 Weeks), $180 (26 Weeks))
Texas (20, 20): Marlin 336W: $350 ($550 (41 Weeks), $300 (46 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (16, 13): Marlin 30AS: $400 ($450 (44 Weeks), $250 (49 Weeks))
Virginia (9, 9): Winchester Model 54: $250 ($450 (25 Weeks), $250 (2 Weeks))
Florida (17, 18): Winchester: $350 ($500 (40 Weeks), $250 (26 Weeks))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $409 Last Week Avg: $436 (-) ($450 (40 Weeks), $350 (13 Weeks))
California (149, 145): Rock Island Armory: $400 ($600 (42 Weeks), $300 (20 Weeks))
Texas (232, 233): Rock Island Armory: $400 ($600 (4Q, 2015), $325 (16 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (138, 143): Remington R1 1911: $500 ($550 (32 Weeks), $300 (26 Weeks))
Virginia (139, 145): Tisas: $400 ($550 (34 Weeks), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Florida (320, 331): Tisas: $345 ($475 (45 Weeks), $250 (39 Weeks))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $305 Last Week Avg: $305 (=) ($336 (37 Weeks), $268 (15 Weeks))
California (153, 170): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $300 ($450 (41 Weeks), $200 (4 Weeks))
Texas (213, 236): Smith & Wesson SW9VE: $275 ($355 (41 Weeks), $200 (14 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (213, 221): Ruger P95DC: $350 ($350 (4Q 2014), $200 (21 Weeks))
Virginia (162, 166): Sig Sauer P226: $300 ($400 (35 Weeks), $250 (21 Weeks))
Florida (419, 451): Ruger P95DC: $300 ($375 (4Q, 2014), $220 (14 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $306 Last Week Avg: $326 (-) ($368 (31 Weeks), $300 (3Q, 2014))
California (86, 92): Smith & Wesson SD40: $300 ($425 (16 Weeks)), $250 (48 Weeks))
Texas (105, 106): Ruger P94: $280 ($425 (4Q, 2014), $275 (34 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (79, 82): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $250 ($350 (23 Weeks), $250 (43 Weeks))
Virginia (62, 61): Ruger SR40C: $400 ($450 (31 Weeks), $275 (47 Weeks))
Florida (155, 158): Ruger SR40C: $300 ($400 (42 Weeks), $200 (15 Weeks))

Used Gun of the Week: (California)
DPMS Chambered in .223 Remington

Chris Covert writes for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com and on Twitter
Posted by: badanov || 12/12/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I agree that in a sense we are already slaves, but at this point we still have the ability and means to flip the apple cart and burn it to the ground. We have not reached the point yet were it is the only option left to us besides a literal collar. I still have some slim hope that we can chart a new course without going to the ammo box instead of the ballot box.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 12/12/2015 0:54 Comments || Top||

#2  As that matter stands now, about 200 firearms owners in New York have been contacted and told to turn in their firearms (ARs) so federal prosecutors can use them as evidence. The notification that went to the owners did not say whether the owners would get their guns back, but I suspect that any transfer would require another background check. Maybe through a friendlier FFL.

I have not heard of reports of resistance to the AR return request. Are owners complying? Doubtful they will ever see their AR again.
Posted by: jvalentour || 12/12/2015 3:34 Comments || Top||

#3  That comment was a good read; thanks badanov.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/12/2015 11:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Slavery is all that time you spend working just so you can pay your taxes.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 12/12/2015 14:43 Comments || Top||

#5  If slaves pay taxes, what do citizens do?
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/12/2015 19:16 Comments || Top||

#6  A coda, as it were:

I’ll add in a few things, to the readers, based on comments from the True Light Infantry post. First things first, I think a lot of folks missed the larger message. It was in part very much a critique of the current state of affairs in the US Infantry, but also a different viewpoint that seems to never get attention- the fact that most of you are not soldiers, and that groups of people who are not soldiers have been beating professional soldiers for a good while now. Second, the nation of today will not be the nation of tomorrow. The regional political landscape ten years from now very well could look completely different, and new nations may very well form as a result of balkanization. That’s not for me to say, but it surely is in the realm of possibility. Regional armies will arise as a result, and many of the challenges the Rhodesians faced will also face the breakaway states. They performed admirably given limited resources and a world who turned their backs on them. Your job is to learn absolutely everything you can now and make yourself and those close to you the absolute best at whatever it is they have to offer.

You can win, folks.
Posted by: badanov || 12/12/2015 19:32 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia charges ex-oil tycoon with murder
[ARABNEWS] Russian Sherlocks on Friday charged ex-oil tycoon and Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky with organizing the 1998 murder of a mayor in Siberia, ratcheting up their campaign against the exiled former Yukos boss.

"As a result of investigative work, we managed to obtain new information and in light of this, it was decided on Dec. 11, 2015, to prosecute Mikhail Khodorkovsky as a defendant for... the organization of murder," Russia's powerful Investigative Committee said in a statement.

Investigators announced in June that they were reopening a criminal probe into the 1998 murder of Vladimir Petukhov, the mayor of oil-producing Nefteyugansk city, saying that Khodorkovsky -- then the head of the now-defunct oil giant Yukos -- may have ordered the killing.

Former Yukos security chief, Alexei Pichugin, is already serving a life term for the mayor's murder and Sherlocks said Friday that "not one important decision was taken at Yukos without Khodorkovsky's order."

Khodorkovsky, who now lives in London, has claimed that the new probe into the mayor's murder was ordered personally by President Vladimir Putin
...Second and fourth President and sixth of the Russian Federation and the first to remain sober. Putin is credited with bringing political stability and re-establishing something like the rule of law, which occasionally results in somebody dropping dead from polonium poisoning. Under Putin, a new group of business magnates controlling significant swathes of Russia's economy has emerged, all of whom have close personal ties to Putin. The old bunch, without close personal ties to Putin, are in jail or in exile or dead...
.

Once Russia's richest man, he spent a decade in prison on charges of tax evasion, fraud and embezzlement, which he blames on a political vendetta by Putin.

In late 2013 he was unexpectedly released and flown out of the country after a presidential pardon. After intially pledging to stay out of politics, he has once again become an outspoken critic of Putin.

Posted by: Fred || 12/12/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's a stay out of politics like you agreed to when I released you message from Putin.

From an interview in London with the Financial Times last year:

As we finish our coffees, I ask Khodorkovsky if he fears for his own safety; he is leaving alone, with no bodyguards in sight. “I understand that decisions about me are taken by only one man. This, of course, provides me with a certain level of protection,” he says.
Posted by: Boss Phomonter5016 || 12/12/2015 0:38 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
What's the best burger in Karachi? One month and 12 buns later, this foodie tells all
Worth the read (and the look) if you can take the grease... Just a sample...
[IMAGES.DAWN] Is there any grub as deliciously medieval as a burger? It is, after all, a hunk of cooked meat, caught between two slabs of bread, and held together by a splatter of sauces and some greens. Made well, it has the potential to gratify the brain with a slow seduction of the taste buds. Prepared poorly though, and it feels like a bare-knuckled blow from a morning star.

Pakistan’s love affair with the burger has been interesting to observe. Visiting the country as a teenager over twenty years ago, I found street food dominated by the usual desi fare such as kebab rolls, bun kebabs, biryani, chaat, and the like, yet few eateries aside from the legendary Mr. Burger and a handful of other restaurants offered a good burger. In fact, Pakistanis at this time developed an aversion to the western meal.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 12/12/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fun! Also useful, if one ever finds oneself in that interesting city.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/12/2015 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  "The sauce is so heavy, in fact, that the burger usually crumbles half-way through, leaving my face left looking like that of a performer in a Japanese fetish video."

nice
Posted by: Frank G || 12/12/2015 12:10 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Don't try to convert Jews: Vatican
[ARABNEWS] Catholics should not try to convert Jews and should work with them to fight anti-Semitism, the Vatican said in a new document that drew the Church further away from the strained relations of the past.

Christianity and Judaism are intertwined and God never annulled his covenant with the Jewish people, said the document from the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews.

"The Church is therefore obliged to view evangelization to Jews, who believe in the one God, in a different manner from that to people of other religions and world views," it said.

It also said Catholics should be particularly sensitive to the significance to Jews of the Shoah, the Hebrew word for the Holocaust, and pledged "to do all that is possible with our Jewish friends to repel anti-Semitic tendencies."

"A Christian can never be an anti-Semite, especially because of the Jewish roots of Christianity," it said.

The document coincided with the 50th anniversary of a revolutionary Vatican statement that repudiated the concept of collective Jewish guilt for Jesus' death and launched a theological dialogue that traditionalists have rejected.

They feel there should be a so-called "Jewish mission" to convert Jews, a senior Vatican official said.

"In concrete terms this means that the Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed toward Jews," said the document, adding that there was a "principled rejection of an institutional Jewish mission."

A Vatican expert in Catholic-Jewish dialogue said it was the first time a repudiation of active conversion of Jews had been so clearly stated in a Vatican document.

Posted by: Fred || 12/12/2015 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's a little more like it.

Roots, and a Forever Promissory note.
Posted by: newc || 12/12/2015 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Good. Now stop supporting "Palestinian Cause".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/12/2015 3:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Not all Catholics do, and some of us even send pizza to the IDF on occasion:)
Posted by: Silentbrick || 12/12/2015 5:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't imagine Vatican pays any more attention to ordinary Catholics than DC pays to ordinary Americans, Silentbrick.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/12/2015 5:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Two things make ye ode world go around, and the other one is money.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/12/2015 7:54 Comments || Top||

#6  We have bacon!
Posted by: Shipman || 12/12/2015 7:57 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
CO ACLU chapter president quits after Facebook post threatening Trump supporters
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) ‐ The co-chair of the Colorado Springs chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union resigned on Friday after posting on Facebook that he would shoot Donald Trump supporters before election day.

Loring Wirbel told The Gazette the post was not meant to be taken seriously, but he acknowledged it could be seen as offensive.

"It was intended totally as a joke," he said.
To quote Daffy Duck: "Ho-ho. Ha-ha. It is to laugh. Ho-ho."
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 12/12/2015 02:38 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...And had the worst case scenario happened - some deranged nutcase shot a Trump supporter or campaign worker - it would have been blamed on 'Trump's incendiary rhetoric'....

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 12/12/2015 9:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Remember Pym Fortuyn?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/12/2015 9:43 Comments || Top||

#3  "Loring Wirbel"
Isn't that a songbird?
Posted by: Sloluth Protector of the Weak7539 || 12/12/2015 10:30 Comments || Top||

#4  It wasn't the hate. It was the reference to 'shooting.' Even ACLU has standards.
Posted by: Iblis || 12/12/2015 12:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Don't normal people... aka not dhimocratic shrills and propaganda pieces, get arrested for shit like this?
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/12/2015 13:50 Comments || Top||



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