Here's a link to the Twitter chatter on what happened when LaVoy was killed.
As one would expect, it's all over the map. Some saying he charged them with his care while getting out, some say he was killed in cold blood while lying face down on the dirt.
Does anyone here have any definitive story on what really happened there? If not, then any good rumors or other comments? :-)
Ammon Bundy's driver said that Finicum drove off once he found out they were about to be arrested, but stopped just short of a roadblock about 200 yards further on, running his extended cab pickup truck into a snowbank. He exited the vehicle while it was still running. It is said, he ran towards the police.
Now what he did in the few remaining moments of his life between the time he exited the vehicle and the time he was gunned down, we will never know. The takedown area was considered to be federal land, which means whatever happened there will forever remain under the penumbra of federal jurisdiction.
If this is true, it appears that Finicum had two chances to survive the encounter with the police, and he blew them both.
In an Ace O'Spades Facebook group I am a member of, there's a saying: Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
With regard to encounters with the cops, I tell everyone who will listen: You gotta survive the encounter, no matter what.
If you want to play Bill Kustler, the officer will accommodate you as best he can. But understand, he is there to do a job, so, if you act like a prick, he will respond in kind.
If you want to physically resist arrest, remember cops are wired a helluva lot tighter than you are, so unless you have extreme amounts of stamina, you won't win a fight with them either.
As matters stand now, Finicum could have gotten everyone in the vehicle he was driving killed, so those in the vehicle with him were extremely lucky.
As I have said elsewhere: When Paleface gets out the ARs, it's time to counsel peace.
As I have written before, I think that the tactics chosen by Ammon Bundy and his group were unwise. However, they did have good reason to seek a redress of grievances, but it was foolish to occupy Federal property. (They should have studied the history of the Native American takeover of Alcatraz Island in 1969/1970. There, the Native Americans could at least claim that Alcatraz was “abandoned” Federal property.) Something tells me that Ammon Bundy will not be given nationwide television coverage of his trial. If he is afforded even a few minutes to make a truncated John Galt speech, few people outside of the courtroom will ever hear it.
Again, I recommend that the citizenry take up the pen, not the sword, in response to the protest at the Harney County Resource Center (aka Malheur Wildlife Refuge). The Federal government must be held accountable for their unconstitutional land grab in the western states. It is time for a redress of grievances.
All that I can safely predict is that this will probably not end well.
But please pray for a peaceful ending, that justice is served, and that our Constitutional rights are restored. – JWR
1. If you're headed to Burns, don't. You're not going to make the situation better. You're outgunned, outclassed and in terrain you don't understand.
2. As much as people won't want to hear it, a reliable source says there's video of the shooting of LaVoy. He's seen the video and says that LaVoy went for his revolver. According to him, LaVoy was not executed. I'm NOT confirming that this is the case, however, I'm inclined to believe it.
3. If we pressure the FBI and law enforcement, they are more likely to release the video. The video must be released in its unedited, original form.
3. I'd also like to encourage everyone to take a breather. Let's look at the facts as they come in. If LaVoy was executed or killed wrongfully then we can make some decisions. Until then, let's stay calm.
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The Feds control the land because they have the manpower, money, firepower and will to do so. Not because it's theirs.
I think there is a bit of irony when whites occupy they die and when blacks occupy they go to the White House.
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Hey Ho Chi are the local papers in Oklahoma and Texas doing much reporting on this?
The major urban media is infested with MSM libs from out of state. However local sheriffs, the Governor and State Attorney General are litigating against the Regime. The state politicians are solidly on the ranchers side in Texas.
In Nevada and Oregon Federal land was the issue.
Along the Red River the Regime is coming for private property.
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According to eyewitness Victoria Sharp, 18 yrs old from Lakeside, Montana – who was in the same truck with Arizona rancher Robert ‘Lavoy’ Finicum, Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne and Shawna Cox – dozens of federal vehicles and countless agents were waiting for the group, pre-positioned at a point along the isolated rural Highway 395, before intercepting the group and detaining 8 persons, including brothers Ammon and Ryan Bundy, who were booked into Multnomah County Jail early this morning.
I don't like the sound of this, I don't like it at all. Reminds me of a 'complex attack' in AFG. Roadblock, then sniper fire.
Whatever happened to the Rules of Engagement (ROE), ie, positive identification of hostiles, weapons, and incoming fire.
Evidently the Taliban gets ROE and American ranchers do not.
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FBI Releases Video showing Robert Finicum being shot in the back. With a man coming up behind him the people on the road are not going to shoot. That leaves the man behind him shooting him in the back.
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Pollywood fantasy movie Lord of the Jung directed by notable Pakistani film director Abdul Aziz is doing roaring business in Pakistan and has shattered all the previous box office records.
Lord of the Jung, which stars Pakistan's own Sunny Deol, "Shaan Balwaan", is a fantasy drama which revolves around cricket world cup and Indo-Pak war.
Shaan Balwaan plays the character of a Pakistani Army officer Major Bilawal Toofani (known among his colleagues as 'Punjabi Thunder') , who besides serving army also plays for Pakistan national cricket team. He has been portrayed as a man who is at least 10 times more talented than Rajinikant and Sir Jadeja combined.
In the first half of the movie, Major Bilawal helps Pak cricket team defeat India in the final match of cricket world cup at famous Lord's cricket ground. The movie shows Pakistan defeating India in the semi-final match too (to elongate that feeling just that much more for the Pakistani viewers), but fails to explain how India moved on to the finals.
"As if your Bollywood movies have any logic! Get lost you loser," reacted one Pakistani citizen when an Indian 'hyper' journalist asked about the loopholes in the movie's plot.
After beating India several times in the world cup matches, the hero then helps Pakistan defeat India in Kashmir in the second half.
The film has been received well by Pakistani film critics, with most of them giving it 5 out of 5 star ratings.
"This movie has finally given Pakistanis a reason to cheer about. What our cricket team and army failed to achieve in reality, has been done by Shaan Balwaan. He fulfilled our dreams," said an emotional Ajmal, who is a film critic at Geo-graphical News.
"If it was possible, I would have given it 10 out of 5 stars," he added.
Independent reviewers have declared Lord of the Jung as a level-5 fantasy movie and have placed it even ahead of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Such is the demand for the movie that theater owners had to ask for the help of Pakistani Army being deployed in counter crowd operations, to remove people forcibly after movie gets over as people begin asking for "once more, once more". "It's like they don't want the dream movie to end," said Mohammad Parvez, owner of a film theater in Peshawar.
Delighted with story of the movie, Pak government has decided to award the movie director, Abdul Aziz, with country's highest civilian award âNishan-e-Pak istan.
Pakistan Film Association has further recommended âLord of the Jungâs name as Pakistan's official Oscar entry in Foreign Language Film Award category. But highly placed sources in Pollywood confirm that its name may be rejected because of violating the ethics of a fantasy movie.
[DAWN] Eight more babies died in different parts of Thar on Wednesday from a variety of ailments including waterborne diseases, malnutrition and other viral diseases, raising the corpse count in the drought-hit desert region to 121 since the beginning of this year.
The deaths were reported from Mithi, Chhachhro, Nagarparkar, Islamkot and Dahli talukas. An infant girl who suffered from respiratory problems died in Bhadaar Halepoto village, a newborn baby died in Khensar village, a baby girl died in Gogasar village, six-month-old Abdul Razzak died at a private hospital in Mithi and six-month-old Saleemat died in Mubarak Rind village.
In Tala village near Chelhar town, a mother died during delivery of child and her newborn girl died at a private hospital in Mithi town. The mother died at the civil hospital where she was referred after delivery. Another newborn died in Giloi village.
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