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Arabia
Plot to assassinate a King!
[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] Saudi artist Talal Salamah said he will not take a residential unit offered to him by Qatar
...an emirate on the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula. It sits on some really productive gas and oil deposits, which produces the highest per capita income in the world. They piss it all away on religion, financing the Moslem Brotherhood and several al-Qaeda affiliates...
, saying that he does not need it.

This stance shows the extent of Qatar’s infiltration of soft power in Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in the Soddy national face...
Qatar’s infiltration is not limited to preachers as it also includes popular artists.

Doha seeks to influence artists and exploit athletes to serve bigger purposes which is imperial expansion, until it controls countries like Saudi Arabia, Libya, Egypt and Tunisia.

The dream seems funny but this is the truth. This is what the hidden scheme is about.

The hideous conspiracy to assassinate King Abdullah showed the Saudis the power of patience which the Saudi kingdom had enjoyed. Some talk about "harmony," "peace" and "compassion."

This is the how the situation is between the Saudi and the Qatari people.

Only solution
However,
a clean conscience makes a soft pillow...
in terms of the regime, the only solution is to alter the political behavior, respect laws and states’ illusory sovereignty and be disciplined within the context of international charters.

After there was a conspiracy to kill a King, someone talks about a ’fitna’ (strife)!
Posted by: Fred || 06/19/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336065 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Saudi Arabia

#1  The article suddenly goes from influencing artists to assassinating the king. Over zealous editing?
Posted by: phil_b || 06/19/2017 1:49 Comments || Top||

#2  I highly recommend The Arab Mind, Kim.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/19/2017 2:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Thought that was discredited, Grom?
Posted by: Skidmark || 06/19/2017 4:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Discredited? I found it really helpful.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/19/2017 5:01 Comments || Top||


Economy
Here's how the U.S. got to $20 trillion in debt
Not even the Great Depression and WW II looks as bad as the last few years.

Lots of graphs at link.
Posted by: gorb || 06/19/2017 14:31 || Comments || Link || [336079 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here's how the U.S. got to $20 trillion in debt

Politicians. They get what ever they can get away with. You get what you deserve when you voted for them. (BTW - where are those who voted to repeal Obamacare now?)
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/19/2017 16:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Income taxes.

You then need exponential debt in order to mask the damage to the economy.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/19/2017 16:46 Comments || Top||

#3  African-American leadership. Everywhere that an African-American has taken power, you will see massive debt left behind.

The first African-American elected to president left behind more debt than the past 43 US Presidents combined.
Posted by: Harry and Tenille5433 || 06/19/2017 22:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Soetoro is not African-American, he's Black African. There is nothing American about him.
Posted by: DonM || 06/19/2017 23:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
After Assassination Attempt, Pubs Delude Themselves With Demands For More Civility
BLUF: [Daily Caller] Republicans should have been smart enough to know that thinking civility could be restored after an attack on them and playing the better man wasn’t going to earn them any serious goodwill. It certainly didn’t stop left-wing journalists from dumping on their colleague who nearly died from his bullet wound delivered by a progressive.

And, more importantly, the sincere, yet unheeded calls for dialing back the rhetoric won’t stop future left-wing violence. To Democrats and liberal journalists, Republicans are still the bad guys -- even when they’re the victims.

Maybe it’s because most congressional Republicans wish that they could just focus on fiscal matters and avoid hot-button cultural topics that they hoped everyone could just get along. Tax rates don’t get people fired up like immigration does.

But the Left isn’t interested in having a civil discussion with people it sees as an enemy. The members of the Left want to transform this country, and a shooting isn’t going to make them reconsider the tactics and rhetoric they’re using to pursue that goal.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/19/2017 06:06 || Comments || Link || [336079 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Author Scott Greer is sadly correct. Leftest ideologues see death as a tool, an instrument necessary to achieve their goal. The attacks on Rep. Scalise as he was lying near death are clear evidence of the left's disregard for civility.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/19/2017 6:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Immigration acts like a tax.
The benefits go to the wealthiest via increased rents and higher land prices also there's a weaker effect on lowered wages for the least market-productive.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/19/2017 7:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Of course their definition of civility is us saying "Yes, Massa"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/19/2017 9:28 Comments || Top||

#4  The Pubs might ask for more civility. However, the Dems will continue on with their uncivility. After all, the ends justify the means in their playbook--except they have no clue as to where they are going...they are not good at seeing unintended consequences.
Posted by: JohnQC || 06/19/2017 10:18 Comments || Top||

#5  They refuse to notice the mantra of the Left - "There Can Only Be One"
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/19/2017 16:14 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Conversion of minor
[DAWN] IT is a sadly well-worn script: a minor Hindu girl apparently kidnapped, forcibly converted and married to a Moslem. As in many such cases, the latest incident took place in Tharparkar, which is home to a large Hindu community. If reports are to be believed, 16-year-old Ravita Meghwar was kidnapped on June 6 by men from the influential Syed community belonging to a village near Nagarparkar town. Her father has claimed that despite approaching the police several times, he got no cooperation from them. On Thursday, the teenager accompanied by her Moslem husband told journalists she had converted of her own free will. The two of them have asked the Sindh High Court to provide them protection against her family.

Minority communities have once again been put on notice: their belief systems, even the law of the land itself, are of no consequence when the majority decides to ride roughshod over their rights. While at present there exists no legislation in the province denying recognition to the conversion of minors -- even though one came very close to being passed into law last year -- the Sindh Child Marriages Restraint Act, 2013, made marriage below the age of 18 a punishable offence. That alone should be enough to prosecute all those who were party to Ravita’s abduction and ’marriage’. Certainly, there are instances of individuals from minority communities -- almost always girls and women -- who have converted voluntarily, and that is their right. At the same time, the issue of conversion cannot be seen in black-and-white terms. For it is motivated not only by spiritual reasons but also by material concerns. Pakistain’s social structures are such as to make it not inconceivable that Hindu girls belonging to the marginalised and impoverished ’scheduled castes’ are sometimes drawn to the prospect of improving their lot in life by converting to the majority faith. This bitter reality only exacerbates the insecurities of minority communities who fear losing their younger generation as well as their own heritage in the process.

Posted by: Fred || 06/19/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336065 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Mob ‘justice’
[DAWN] THERE is ample evidence that the country is being sucked down a vortex where the violence is steadily escalating. There have been many cases where citizens have suffered viciousness and even death at the hands of an enraged mob. Now it would appear that society does not even draw the crucial distinction between private citizens and state representatives responsible for maintaining order. Early Thursday morning in Rawalpindi, a traffic warden tried to intercept a motorcyclist who was doing a ’wheelie’, or the dangerous and illegal stunt of riding a bike on one wheel. In response, the pillion rider pulled out a gun and shot the warden, leaving him injured; the unregistered cycle of violence sped away. A day later, a traffic police post in an adjacent area was attacked by an enraged mob wanting to seize cycle of violences that had been impounded during the ongoing drive against wheelies. A crowd of some 80 people fired shots, tried to set fire to police vehicles and pelted stones at the post. Order was restored when regular police and Elite Force commandos were called in, as a result of which five attackers were rounded up.

Those involved in these attacks must face the full censure of the law. However,
by candlelight every wench is handsome...
the root causes of such behaviour are a societal problem that requires course-correction. Mobs take the law into their own hands when there is little faith in the justice system. But as the Rawalpindi incidents show, we have now reached a point where there is scant respect for the rule of law; hence the emboldening of wrongdoers. The answer lies, on the one hand, in bringing to book all those who flout the law, especially at the top tiers of society, so that a strong signal is sent out about the sanctity of the law; on the other hand, renewed efforts to reduce weaponry on the streets must be pursued. An armed and alienated population is fast becoming a frightening reality.

Posted by: Fred || 06/19/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336066 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Olde Tyme Religion
John Cleese on Political Correctness and Islam
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 06/19/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336066 views] Top|| File under:

#1  After voting for leftists for decades NOW you want to do something?
Posted by: no mo uro || 06/19/2017 5:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Same fellow who wonders what happened to England, after him spending years trashing it?
Posted by: Pappy || 06/19/2017 8:20 Comments || Top||

#3  If we view liberals as arrested adolescents, the maturation timeline is pretty much correct.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/19/2017 9:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Still - love Cleese. Caught him and Idle on their most recent tour - well worth it.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/19/2017 9:02 Comments || Top||

#5  What Rex Mundi said. As Winston Churchill said: “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Posted by: JohnQC || 06/19/2017 10:32 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Something is fishy about USS Fitzgerald story we are getting from the media
[AmericanThinker] Under no circumstances should a US Navy vessel possibly be damaged by a container ship at sea. Multiple systems exist to prevent this. Even CNN is noticing how little we know about the catastrophe that took the lives of seven sailors and almost caused a powerful warship to founder.

The USS Fitzgerald, an anti-ballistic missile destroyer that was part of the USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group, will no longer be ready to defend the carrier and other ships from missile attacks launched from North Korea, should push come to shove in the current confrontation with the rogue regime on the threshold of the capability to attack New York, Los Angeles, and our power grid with nuclear missiles. This is an incident that could affect the outcome of a nuclear confrontation of historic moment.

Brian Joondeph yesterday noted how the media have distorted what really happened, by reporting a "collision," as if the ships randomly bumped each other in the fog or something. The truth is that the ACX Crystal, a ship with somewhat murky provenance, rammed into the Fitzgerald with calamitous results:

[Vice Adm. Joseph P. Aucoin of the 7th fleet] described the damage as "extensive," adding that there was a big puncture and gash below the waterline on one side of the ship. He also said three compartments were severely damaged.

"The ship is salvageable ... [it] will require some significant repair," Aucoin said. "You will see the USS Fitzgerald back ... It will take months, hopefully under a year."

Retired Rear Admiral John Kirby describes for CNN the extent of the chaos unleashed:

First, we know the crew fought heroically to save their ship and the lives of their shipmates. We know that from early reports by Navy officials but also from the images that flashed across our screens, our tablets and our phones after the incident happened early Saturday.

One look at the crushed, twisted starboard side, the hoses flaked about, the water being discharged, the frantic work being done tells you all you need to know about the stuff you can't see in those same images: a fiercely brave crew working together to staunch the flooding, to rescue their shipmates and to save their ship.

You can be certain they ended up drenched, exhausted, scraped and bruised -- but not broken. They kept that ship from foundering for 16 brutal hours. And they brought her back into port.

We received an email from a Navy Mother that raises serious questions. We will redact her name, while the rumors (and that’s how they must be categorized for now) reported by her son aboard the Fitzgerald are checked out. Here is what she wrote to us:

My son is assigned to the USS Fitzgerald. I am unable to share his rate with you.

The information is short and not so sweet. The implications are disturbing.

The ship is registered in the Philippines. We do not know who the owner is. The container ship neither had its running lights or transponder on. That is an action taken willfully. Furthermore, for the container ship to strike with such accuracy is troublesome. Given what some have done with cars in Europe, what a feather in the cap it would be to sink a U.S. Navy warship. Think on that.

My son missed being washed out to sea by the blink of an eye. He was on his way to one of the berthing areas that was rammed.

Yes, language is important. "Rammed" is the perfect word.

Loving and Concerned Navy Mother

If there is any substance to this ‐ that the ACX Crystal disabled protective systems and rammed the Fitzgerald at high speed aimed at crtical facilities (evident from the damage)

...we have to consider the possibility of an asymmetric warfare attack designed to disable missile defense of a carrier strike group, as North Korea demonstrates the ability to make exactly such attacks on a multibillion dollar warship carrying thousands of sailors.

Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 06/19/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [336079 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The ACX Crystal was crewed by Filipinos. This doesn't seem like the ideal nationality to serve Nork interests.
Posted by: gorb || 06/19/2017 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  You can never know, gorb. Personally, I think it's like car accident - which mostly happen when both drivers screw up.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/19/2017 3:13 Comments || Top||

#3  They claim to br Filipinos, are they really?
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance || 06/19/2017 3:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The USS Fitzgerald does not carry a crew of thousands. The number is 300.
The location of the collision is in the area of the largest shipping harbor in Japan that is considered dangerous any time day or night and requires caution to navigate.
The Philippine ship is under control of a Japanese shipping company.
The Philippine ship decided to pull a U-turn and is several times larger and cumbersome than the agile and quicker US Warship.
The US Ship, though a part of the Reagan carrier taskforce, was not active with the task force but was on an independent, routine mission.
Posted by: Angung Gonque4787 || 06/19/2017 4:39 Comments || Top||

#5  This is tinfoil...

The only thing fishy is the USS Fitzgerald below the waterline.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/19/2017 5:34 Comments || Top||

#6  A few years ago, I was 6-8 kilometers away from a booby trapped cargo trailer and line mine incident along the PAK border in AFG that resulted in a number of US killed in action. Incidents like these in wartime or peace just make an old man silently weep.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/19/2017 5:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Good to know, Angung Gonque4787.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/19/2017 6:19 Comments || Top||

#8  The container ship neither had its running lights or transponder on

That's not surprising to anyone who's dealt with flag-of-convenience merchant shipping, merchant shipping in Asia, and merchant shipping in general.

As for 'transponder-off', if the news reports are accurate, there supposedly a radar track on the merchant's course and maneuvering.

The only things remotely accurate about this whole article are the ships' names, the causalties, and "the rumors (and that’s how they must be categorized for now)".

Everything else is tin-foil hat.
Posted by: Pappy || 06/19/2017 8:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Facts are lacking. I will withhold judgement but not forever. It is incumbent on all involved parties to get to bottom of this and publish the facts in a timely manner.
Posted by: Ulineter Darling of the Sith6718 || 06/19/2017 8:52 Comments || Top||

#10  ...which means you'll never get it via the Lame Stream Media.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/19/2017 9:40 Comments || Top||

#11  The container ship neither had its running lights or transponder on.

But presumably it was still visible on radar for miles in every direction. I find it hard to imagine they didn't know exactly where that ship was which begs the question why would a nimble destroyer ever allow a lumbering mountain of metal to get so close when they had the whole ocean to maneuver in.



Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/19/2017 10:04 Comments || Top||

#12  That's the key point rjschwarz. There can be a lot of clutter on primary radar. In a busy place like the seas off Japan, the Fitzgerald may have relied on the cleaner looking symbology of secondary radar.

In any case the Fitzgerald almost played PT-109 to a lumbering container ship with a huge radar signature.
Posted by: The peanut gallery || 06/19/2017 10:40 Comments || Top||

#13  Been awhile, but when I sailed on merchant ships they had "collision avoidance" radar...which I believe filtered out small fishing vessels..1980's..
Posted by: crazyhorse || 06/19/2017 11:16 Comments || Top||

#14  #6 A few years ago, I was 6-8 kilometers away from a booby trapped cargo trailer and line mine incident along the PAK border in AFG that resulted in a number of US killed in action. Incidents like these in wartime or peace just make an old man silently weep.
Posted by Besoeker
Was this a IED in a shipping container? Or, on a cargo truck?
Posted by: Tennessee || 06/19/2017 13:06 Comments || Top||

#15  Daily Mail roundup
Posted by: Skidmark || 06/19/2017 14:35 Comments || Top||

#16  Is it possible to hack the autopilot?
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 06/19/2017 14:59 Comments || Top||

#17  Was this a IED in a shipping container? Or, on a cargo truck?
Posted by Tennessee


Neither, we were told it was in a small trailer. Someone in Kandahar had it under UAV observation and believed it to be a HME transporter, due to it's somewhat frequent relocations. Some lads from up north did a vertical insertion via UH-60 and one of them set it off as he conducted a recce. A couple of the survivors attempted to climb to the 'high ground' and radio for MEDIVAC. They tripped strategically placed anti-personnel mines. All in all, a very, very bad day.
Posted by: Besoeker || 06/19/2017 15:01 Comments || Top||

#18  Is it possible to hack the autopilot?

Possible, but very, very, very highly unlikely.

Posted by: Pappy || 06/19/2017 16:16 Comments || Top||

#19  A nice only facts as known, with a rules of the road graphic:
https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/how-could-this-happen-the-fitzgerald-the-u-s-navy-and-collisions-at-sea/
Posted by: ed in texas || 06/19/2017 19:59 Comments || Top||

#20  Not a Philippine vessel. Per Wiki, "ACX Crystal has been owned by Olympic Steamship Co SA, Panama (a subsidiary of Japanese shipowner Sunford Shipping Ltd) and managed by Sea Quest Ship Management Inc of Bacoor, Philippines since 2008.[4][3] The ship has been bareboat-chartered to Sinbanali Shipping Inc of Manila since 2014,[3] but is reported by NYK Line on June 17 as being actually owned by Dainichi-Invest Corporation, a Japanese ship investment firm."

IMO, American Thinker is usually a pretty reliable opinion source. Maybe this is a klinker, maybe not. Time will tell. Had considered the tinfoil hat .jpg, but figured Kimmie was the net beneficiary of this "collision."
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 06/19/2017 20:04 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Game Changer
A number of recent articles have argued that America -- and the post WW2 order -- is broken. Ian Bremmer, the president of Eurasia Group, a political-risk consultancy wrote that the "Pax Americana, the stabilizing role played by the U.S. superpower, is no more. The G-Zero era--where no one country (or constellation of countries) is willing or able to assume the responsibility of global leadership--is now officially upon us. And it’s already wreaking havoc." The phrase "G-Zero" is a play off the slogan of the G-20, which assumed the world could be led by a small elite of countries. In a G-Zero world no one is in charge of "the world".

At the heart of the vacuum is a growing political division in the West, the putative wrecker ball of the G's collapse. Evidence of the division abounds. "It feels like America is descending into chaos," writes John Podhoretz. "Wednesday’s ghastly shooting spree at the congressional Republican baseball practice" felt like the start of something. The assassin had a list of six other Republican congressman in his possession.

...Perhaps an even more dramatic example are the demands by left-wing protests at Evergreen College for what amounts to racial separatism.

Like "African-Americans", or the left in general, could survive without other peoples' money.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/19/2017 03:33 || Comments || Link || [336064 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not much noticed is how Trump is cutting off the money flowing from government to the Left. The slimming of the federal bureaucracy will bring down house prices around DC which will do a lot to reduce the wealth of this Left leaning group and hence money flowing to their preferred causes.
Posted by: phil_b || 06/19/2017 4:07 Comments || Top||

#2  #1 impacting surrounding areas. Look at traffic flows in and out of DC. I know Maryland has benefited greatly these many years sucking off the government political operations in DC. Look at the influx of many different races with each trying to grab power as the blacks have done. Each does this not for America but for their own people. Creating private enclaves or simply put safe zones.
Posted by: Dale || 06/19/2017 6:06 Comments || Top||

#3  In the age of internet, the government should be decentralized. How about starting by moving the EPA in Iowa?
Posted by: Captain Tojo3621 || 06/19/2017 7:49 Comments || Top||

#4  TC - that idea has been floated and has merit. Unfortunately many Dems back it so I'm skeptical as to actual motives. Still, enough worth that the Trump admin should look into
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/19/2017 9:00 Comments || Top||

#5  A number of recent articles have argued that America -- and the post WW2 order -- is broken.

And thus the pushback against globalism; Brexit, and the election of Trump. If broke, it is that people sense the gnawing away of underpinnings by the left and globalists.
Posted by: JohnQC || 06/19/2017 10:12 Comments || Top||

#6  #3, hey man, what did Iowa ever do to you?
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 06/19/2017 10:33 Comments || Top||

#7  ...able to assume the responsibility of global leadership
They keep using the term global leadership and they just never define it, do they? This like the difference, in engineering, between Force and Work -- unless an action has meaningful results it is just waste motion. But the writers assume that what they desire is meaningful --- hubris...
Posted by: magpie || 06/19/2017 12:42 Comments || Top||



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Mon 2017-06-19
  IRGC completely dismantles terrorist group in southeast Iran: Commander
Sun 2017-06-18
  Afghan forces recapture Tora Bora in Nangarhar
Sat 2017-06-17
  Taliban rejects report on Kandahar bombing that killed UAE ambassador, diplomats
Fri 2017-06-16
  Army takes over Mosul’s Old City entrance, IS trapped
Thu 2017-06-15
  SDF capture former IS member known as Jihadi Jack
Wed 2017-06-14
  Senior Republican politician and several aides shot at baseball practice near Washington
Tue 2017-06-13
  Taliban’s military commission chief killed in Helmand drone strike
Mon 2017-06-12
  London Police Chief: Terror Victims Show How Diverse We Are
Sun 2017-06-11
  Libyan group says it has freed Gaddafi son Seif al-Islam
Sat 2017-06-10
  Islamic State claims it killed two Chinese in Pakistan
Fri 2017-06-09
  Nearly 70 dead in Al-Shabaab attack on Puntland military base
Thu 2017-06-08
  Syrian government, rebel forces fighting in Aleppo
Wed 2017-06-07
  Iran's parliament and Khomeini mausoleum attacked by gunmen
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