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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/17/2017 13:21 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Stepson of Roy Moore Accuser: Accusations ‘One Hundred Percent a Lie’
[BREITBART] Darrel Nelson, the stepson of Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelson, claims that his stepmother’s accusations are "one hundred percent a lie."

"I know for a fact that there is a lot that that woman does not tell the truth on," Nelson claimed in an in-person interview with Breitbart News. "Do I think that Beverly is trustworthy? No, I really don’t. Could I see her making it up? ...The odds are in that favor."

Beverly Nelson, 55, gave a presser earlier this week at which she claimed that Moore sexually assaulted her in a car in December 1977 or early January 1978 when she was a 16-year-old high school student. Nelson said the alleged assault took place outside a restaurant in Gadsden, Ala., where she says that she worked as a waitress. Nelson is being represented by controversial attorney and women’s rights advocate Gloria Allred.

Darrel Nelson stated that he is not close to his stepmother, but they talk every few months and that they are not on bad terms. He said that he is in regular contact with his father, John Nelson, Beverly’s husband for the past thirteen years.

Darrel Nelson said that his father called him yesterday to ask him to take down a video from Facebook in which he also alleged that his stepmother’s accusations are untrue. Since then, Nelson has posted several more videos doubling down on that claim.

During the interview here in Attalla, Nelson surmised numerous times without offering any evidence that Beverly Nelson was getting paid to make the accusations against Moore.

"There is a lot of details that just does not add up," he stated. "Do I believe that she is being paid? I have got a feeling that that is so."

"It’s got to be money. Financially, I really do believe that she is out for the money part. Somebody is paying somebody. It seems awful funny. Twenty-five days or so until the election. Why wait until just now to start doing all of this?"

Beverly Nelson says that she told her husband about the accusations against Moore before they got married. "Before I married my husband, John, I told him what Mr. Moore had done to me," she said alongside Allred at the news conference.

Darrel Nelson said that neither Beverly nor his own father ever mentioned the claims against Moore.

"If she told him, you would think that somewhere along the conversations of talking to his son and talking to his family that he would’ve mentioned something like that. That’s something you don’t hide from anybody," he said.

Nelson added: "In all of the years that my dad has been married to her up until the other day when my mother said that you got to go check out the news to see what your stepmother is doing, that is the first time in all of the years that I have known that woman that I have ever heard of this. I have never heard of this. My dad has never spoke of this. If something massively happened this way, why would you not tell your family?"

Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:


We Have the Right to Know Who’s Involved in Congress’s $15M Sexual Harassment Cover-Up
[MEDIAITE] Ever since the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke, countless men have been accused of sexual misconduct that ranges from verbal harassment, assault, rape, and child molestation. It’s common knowledge that such abuse isn’t just a problem in Hollywood but in our society as a whole. And in recent days, it’s been made clear that it’s a problem in politics.

For the past two weeks, we’ve heard several allegations made against GOP Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore. Multiple women have accused him of making sexual advances when they were teenagers and he was in his 3os. One even accused him of attempted rape.

Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It sounds like the US men may be as bad as the Italians (used to be?) for playing grabass.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/17/2017 0:45 Comments || Top||

#2  "We have a right to know..." They're so precious in their naïveté.
Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy || 11/17/2017 10:44 Comments || Top||

#3  are they still doing blow off of little page boy peters?
Posted by: Jasing the Limber5475 || 11/17/2017 18:25 Comments || Top||

#4  More interested in LV shoot.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/17/2017 20:24 Comments || Top||


Source: Fusion GPS Founder Had Not Verified Dossier Claims When He Briefed Reporters
[DAILYCALLER]
Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  he did not verify information in the uncorroborated and salacious dossier before briefing reporters on its contents during the campaign, the source says.

He had to know it was phony. He didn't want to stand in the way of a payday and a chance to dump Trump.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/17/2017 8:16 Comments || Top||


Networks Ignore Dem Candidate Arrested For Stalking
[DAILYCALLER] A Democrat running for Congress was tossed in the calaboose
You have the right to remain silent...
on a stalking charge last week, but the media has refused to give the story any coverage.

David Alcon, who is running for an open congressional seat in New Mexico, was arrested this past Friday on a felony stalking charge after a woman accused him of sending her frightening and lewd text messages and showing up at her home. Alcon was previously convicted of stalking his ex-girlfriend in 2007 and was described as "infatuated" and "clearly obsessed" by the judge in the case.

The story has been met with silence from a number of media outlets despite their breathless coverage of the sexual assault scandal surrounding Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore.

According to a search of the television database TV Eyes, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC have given zero on-air coverage to Alcon’s arrest. The networks have also not published any stories about Alcon’s scandal on their websites in the past week.
Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


New York Times Columnist Trashes Clinton Accuser Paula Jones
[BREITBART] Because it will no longer produce any political downside for Democrats, on Monday, New York Times

...which still proudly displays Walter Duranty's Pulitzer prize...

columnist Michelle Goldberg penned a cynical, self-serving, 25 years-too-late column, saying that she now believes Juanita Broaddrick’s claim that former-President Bill Clinton
...former Democratic president of the U.S. Bill was the second U.S. president to be impeached, the first to deny that oral sex was sex, the first to have difficulty with the definition of is...
raped her. Using lies of omission, in that same column, Goldberg also trashed Clinton accuser Paula Jones.

’[T]here are reasons to be at least unsure about Paula Jones’s claim that Clinton exposed himself to her and demanded oral sex," Goldberg writes, adding that Jones was "championed by people engaged in what Ann Coulter once proudly called ’a small, intricately knit right-wing conspiracy’ to bring down the president. She described ’distinguishing characteristics’ of Clinton’s penis that turned out to be inaccurate. Her sister insisted to Sidney Blumenthal ... she was lying."

There is just one vitally important fact ‐ and I do mean FACT ‐ missing from Goldberg’s smear: the fact that Clinton settled the sexual harassment suit Jones brought against him for a whopping $850,000, and did so in 1998 while still a sitting president.

While Clinton refused to apologize or admit any wrongdoing, according to the Los Angeles Times, that $850,000 figure was more than the $700,000 Jones originally sought.

Why would Goldberg withhold that information from her readers, why such a glaring lie of omission?

The asking of the question answers the question.

Team Clinton and his shameless media minions claimed that the settlement was only about ridding the then-president of a nuisance. Others believe that if Clinton were truly innocent, he would have sought vindication through a jury verdict.

Mean Girl Goldberg can snip and snap away at Jones all she wants, but Paula Jones put herself out there, opened up her whole life to the legal discovery process, to public ridicule, and heroically did so in order to have her day in court, her justice ‐ and she not only got it, she got it from the most powerful man in the world.

Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Remember that photo of the "diversity meeting" at the HuffPost from the last year, where they're all white women in their early twenties, without a minority or a male in sight? My theory (which needs to be polished up a bit) is that when you hit say 25 or 26 you no longer fit in with the diversity girls, and your only hope for relevance is now Newsweek or the NYT, otherwise you perish.
Posted by: Fairbanks || 11/17/2017 2:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Funny, the WaPo and the NYT had the story on Paula Jones in July before the first Clinton election but sat on because they were afraid of how it would affect the election.

They're gonna run cover for the Clintons forever
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/17/2017 10:30 Comments || Top||

#3  @#2: I disagree. The floodgates will soon open on the Clintons. There is much to be swept away before 2020.

imo, had Hildabeast gone quietly into the night, things would be different. The powers that are will be taking the Clintons out of the power equation, and the once-docile press will go along with it. Again, imo.
Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy || 11/17/2017 10:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Yep the DNC party theatre will hang out a sign saying under new management yet the puppets will just get new clothes and string
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/17/2017 11:10 Comments || Top||

#5  I heard a discussion on the s3xual harassment stuff today on NPR, about Senator Franken and Roy Moore. Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky was described in passing as unacceptable.

I was shocked.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/17/2017 21:39 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Broadway Stars Honor Hillary Clinton At Planned Parenthood Fundraiser
[DAILYWIRE] Broadway stars were proud to host failed presidential candidate Perennial Presidential Campaigner Hillary Crooked Hillary Clinton
... former first lady, former secretary of state, former presidential candidate, Conqueror of Benghazi, Heroine of Tuzla, formerly described by her supporters as the smartest woman in the world, usually described by the rest of us as The Thing That Wouldn't Go Away...
on Sunday night for "an evening that was all about women, by women, and for women," according to InStyle.

"Tony and Grammy winners packed The Town Hall theater in N.Y.C. for a special concert all about women's empowerment called 'Double Standards,'" reports InStyle. "Everyone from 'Waitress' lyricist Sara Bareilles to 'The Great Comet of 1812's' former Sonya Rostova, Ingrid Michaelson, sang about women's rights, Hillary Clinton, and standing up in the face of the patriarchy, with 100 percent of the proceeds from the concert tickets and donations going toward Planned Parenthood
...has received federal funding since 1970, when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act. It is sometimes described as the gynecololgical wing of the Democratic party.
, the ACLU, and the Breast Cancer Coalition."

The Broadway stars clearly did not second-guess the prospect of honoring Hillary Clinton as some beacon of women's rights while multiple allegations suggest she aided her husband in silencing several of his sexual assault victims throughout the years.

Stars in attendance said the goal of the concert was to get people talking about women's rights.

"I think there's no huge solution; it's small solutions. Find out who you want to be our next president, who you want to your representative, come to shows like this, support events like this," Ingrid Michaelson told InStyle. "It's multiple small things that everybody can do. ... It's a series of small victories. If everyone could chip in on small levels, we'll get to a bigger level of positivity."

Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If only her parents had been Margaret Sanger advocates.....
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 11/17/2017 8:37 Comments || Top||

#2  The fried fetus canapes were to die for.
Posted by: charger || 11/17/2017 19:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Ow!
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/17/2017 22:16 Comments || Top||


Europe
Insider Claims Facebook Hired Teams to Badger and Ban Conservative Outlets Before Germany's Election
[MiloYiannopoulos]
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Congressional Payouts For Sexual Harassment Settlements For The Last 20 Years


Makes me wonder what required investigation(s) protocols are followed before the check is cut.

What I found to be interesting in the chart is that the $/awards seem to be growing ominously from $5k a pop in 1997 to better than $100k each this year. And we still have 44 days until the ball drops!
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Earl: You Must Follow The Rules As You Have Established Them…Right Mitch?
Posted by: newc || 11/17/2017 0:41 Comments || Top||

#2  The original twitter post that A.S tried to post above.

Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance || 11/17/2017 2:52 Comments || Top||

#3  With those numbers and the general character of past and current senators in Washington you would think Roy Moore would fit right in with the Kennedys, Clinton’s, Frankens....
Posted by: Airandee || 11/17/2017 6:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Our tax dollars at work. You mean our 'betters might not be?
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/17/2017 10:34 Comments || Top||

#5  25 payouts, $4,035,000.

2007 must have been a hell of a year!

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 11/17/2017 12:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Why the hell are taxpayers on the hook for the actions of individuals?

If I sexually abuse/assault/harrass/bother an underling at work, my employer fires me. They don't pay any settlement. I realize that congressweasels can't really be fired. But THEY should pay any settlements out of their own pockets.

Note:I don't have any underlings, so I can't abuse/assault/harrass/bother anyone. Besides when my wife got done with me, I would have wait until I was out of ICU to pay any settlement.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 11/17/2017 12:35 Comments || Top||

#7  You have a lovely wife, Rambler.

Guys, for whatever reason Rantburg doesn't like Weasel Zipper images. It's time to stop trying to post them.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/17/2017 22:00 Comments || Top||


Judicial Watch: New Clinton Classified Emails Discovered
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not about yoga? HRC is a lying evil witch. Time to throw her under the bus Dems and run over her several times.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/17/2017 10:38 Comments || Top||


True Colors
Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) said he will be voting in the Alabama special election next month for Judge Roy Moore, the man who beat him in the primary, because it is important to have conservatives in Congress.

"America faces huge challenges that are vastly more important than contested sexual allegations from four decades ago," Brooks told AL.com in a text message.

Who will vote in America’s best interests on Supreme Court justices, deficit and debt, economic growth, border security, national defense, and the like? Socialist Democrat Doug Jones will vote wrong. Roy Moore will vote right. Hence, I will vote for Roy Moore."

"There are millions of people in America who would lie in a heartbeat if it meant adding another Democrat to the Senate," Brooks said in the text message.

Yeah, and two of them are named Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Oh, and the Bush family as well.

Maybe it's time to reintroduce "Innocent until proven guilty" into sexual misconduct allegations. And, also, maybe it's time for womyn to become less sensitive. Because, dear, if you think a polite proposition from a man is the same as rape, I'd like to introduce you to my acquaintance Ahmad.
I think a year or two from now the lies will be disproven. The Christmas yearbook signing seems to be combusting into its crudely forged components. The tactic at this point appears to be to throw as much poop as possible, too fast for them to be dealt with, no matter how unlikely.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Secret FBI Informant on Uranium One Breaks His Silence ‐ And Says He Has Proof Wrongdoing 'Exists'
[IndependentJournalReview] The witness, identified by Reuters as William D. Campbell, worked as a lobbyist for a Russian firm.

Campbell, on the other hand, refuses to stay silent about the issue and plans to testify in front of Congress. But he doesn't just have his testimony, and he alleges to have evidence.

“I have worked with the Justice Department undercover for several years, and documentation relating to Uranium One and political influence does exist, and I have it,” he told Reuters.

Toensing also revealed to Reuters that Campbell informed the government of how corrupt Rosatom was — the Russian firm involved in the Uranium One deal — but that his concerns went ignored.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like an impending suicide.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 11/17/2017 10:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Run over by cement truck while jogging at 3AM through a municipal park -- accidentally.
Posted by: magpie || 11/17/2017 16:47 Comments || Top||

#3  i see a gag order and multiple assets i mean 6000 dollar hookers with heroin in hypos and drugs and booze and all sorts of shit and a gag order!
Posted by: Jasing the Limber5475 || 11/17/2017 18:23 Comments || Top||

#4  If he is smart he's duplicated the evidence and ensured that a number of Senators and Trump have copies.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/17/2017 21:03 Comments || Top||

#5  Subpoena him, Congress - do it NOW.
Posted by: newc || 11/17/2017 22:44 Comments || Top||


Senators strike gun background check deal in wake of church shooting
There go the muzzle loaders.
[WASHINGTONTIMES] Key Republicans and Democrats announced a significant gun bill Thursday, striking a deal to push federal agencies to report more domestic violence records to the gun-buying background check system.

The deal includes Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican whose state suffered the recent tragic church shooting, as well as Sens. Chris Murphy and Richard Blumenthal, two Democrats from Connecticut who have been among the most prominent gun-control supporters.

"For years agencies and states haven’t complied with the law, failing to upload these critical records without consequence," Mr. Cornyn said.

The new bill would punish agencies that fail to report their records on domestic violence to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which screens gun purchases from licensed firearms dealers.

It also pushes states to report more records.

Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Pushes"? There is no push, unless you suspend Civil Service protection for those who can't or won't do the work.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/17/2017 7:48 Comments || Top||

#2  "pushes"...? "PUSHES"...?!?!?!

Heads up you morons - it's already a mandatory requirement. People who aren't doing their job are BREAKING FEDERAL LAW. Let me enlarge upon P2k's comments - screw Civil Service protections. Someone is responsible for the next idiot getting a gun because they didn't send in the paperwork? Mandatory 5 years Federal sentence, no parole.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/17/2017 12:23 Comments || Top||


Rand Paul Infuriates McConnell By Going Public With Plan To Eliminate Obamacare Mandate Via Tax Cut Legislation
[DCWHISPERS] Both are Kentucky senators but one, Rand Paul, remains a free-thinker removed from the trappings of the D.C. Swamp. The other is Mitch McConnell, the epitome of the swamp and the current Senate Majority Leader. Today Senator Paul broke rank and went public with his plan to tie the proposed tax cut/reform legislation to the elimination of the Obamacare
... aka the Affordable Care Act, an ineptly designed and worse executed piece of legislation designed to bring 17 percent of the U.S. economy under the direct control of the government. The previous iteration, known as Hillarycare, was laughed out of Washington. This stinker was passed on a party-line vote without being read...
mandate ‐ a move that would effectively kill the highly unpopular and insanely expensive federal healthcare program
Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  McConnell has no one but himself to blame. He's pissed of a lot of conservatives, sided with the Democrats in congress way too many times, and bad mouthed Trump....Pay back is a female dog.
Posted by: Sloluting and Tenille8977 || 11/17/2017 3:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Ditch Swamp turtle Mitch!
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/17/2017 8:07 Comments || Top||

#3  The Rino Swamp creatures never really wanted to kill Obamacare as they promised. Getting rid of the mandate would yield $300 billion in additional tax cuts? We can't have those taxpayers enjoying too much relief (sarc on). McConnell's got to go.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/17/2017 8:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Whaaaaa

I'm with Rand on this one. Better to put it in the open that way they congress critters can't hide.

Vote for this or people keep this horrible tax and you lose your seat.
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/17/2017 9:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Yertle McTurtle peeved? Oh Noes!
Posted by: Frank G || 11/17/2017 10:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Should have cut Obamacare on day one, then at this point it would be a talking point rather than a guillotine. The Congress could have some sort of replacement ready that covered the otherwise uninsurable and be heros.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/17/2017 10:29 Comments || Top||

#7  Should have cut Obamacare on day one, then at this point it would be a talking point rather than a guillotine. The Congress could have some sort of replacement ready that covered the otherwise uninsurable and be heros.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/17/2017 10:29 Comments || Top||

#8  The Congress could have some sort of replacement ready that covered the otherwise uninsurable and be heros.

I have a huge problem with the notion of repeal and replace. It's pretty clear to me that Obamacare is a colossal and intentional failure, so we're gonna replace one stinker with another? If by replace we mean 'remove shit laws and regulations and allow the market to work', then that should be the solution, and leave it to the states to resolve the uninsured 'problem'.
Posted by: Raj || 11/17/2017 13:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Only replace the part that covers the super-poor and previously existing conditions. Make it an extension of VA services and then pump money into the VA so. Then nobody would dare allow the VA to be misrule or underfunded again.

I believe that is the only way to make the repeal politically palatable because it's too easy to mischaracterize everything after they let it linger on this long.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 11/17/2017 21:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Gabby Giffords's Gun Control Group Releases Report Warning of Muzzleloaders, Other Firearms
[FreeBeacon] Former congresswoman Gabby Giffords's gun control group released a report on Wednesday warning of the dangers of muzzle loading rifles, a number of other firearms, and some firearms accessories and calling for new gun control measures targeting the devices.

The group, which recently changed its name from Americans for Responsible Solutions to Giffords, said in a release its report was intended to identify "extremely lethal firearms and devices" that it believes skirt current firearms laws. "Giffords‐the gun violence organization founded by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, combat veteran and retired NASA astronaut, Captain Mark Kelly‐are calling on Congress to update federal gun laws so these accessories can’t turn a firearm into a military-style weapon," the group said in a statement.

The report includes nine examples of firearms or firearms products the group feels are a danger to society. The list includes certain kinds of ammunition, trigger devices that increase the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle, what the group describes as "high capacity shotguns,"
Double barrel or pump action?
AK and AR style pistols with stabilizing braces, and muzzleloaders. The group said the gun industry is attempting to circumvent the National Firearms Act (NFA) and other federal gun laws through the manufacture of each of the products.

Muzzleloaders, the group said, are dangerous because they are specifically exempted from the NFA and it accuses the gun industry of trying to exploit that exemption.
How many people have been killed by muzzle loaders in the past hundred years?
"These laws prohibit convicted felons and other dangerous people from possessing guns, require gun retailers to be licensed, and require licensed retailers to conduct background checks on purchasers," the report said. "There is one blanket exception to these laws, however: the exception for antique firearms, including muzzleloaders. The gun industry is determined to exploit this exception."
Ah, so. How many people have been killed by muskets in the past hundred years?
Muzzleloaders, which require gunpowder and a projectile to be manually loaded down barrel of the firearm before each shot, and other antique firearms are exempt from the NFA. The antique firearm exemption applies to "any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade," according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
How many people have been killed by muzzle loaders outside of detective novels written by British ladies wearing pince nez (or using lorgnettes) in the past hundred years?
The group views the centuries-old firearms technology, which was rendered obsolete shortly after the Civil War due to advancements in self-contained ammunition cartridges and semi-automatic; self-loading firearms, as dangerous because a silencer can legally be attached to it without the paperwork or tax stamp associated with other firearms silencers.
Is there a difference between "can" and "has been?" I thought there was.
"Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound.
This secret device, the technological details of which are passed from father to son, is known as a "long barrel."
If any other firearm were built with such a device, it would be subject to the NFA as a silencer. But since this device is designed to suppress the sound of something that is exempt from federal firearms laws, it is not considered a silencer and not subject to the NFA. In fact, it is not subject to any laws at all and can be bought online."
You can make one yourself for only $278. You don't even have to do your own rifling! Such a deal! Get 'em while it's still allowed. Buy now and get a free bump stock kit! But buy at yer own risk -- they don't come with safeties!

The group called on Congress to take action and pass new laws restricting muzzleloaders and the other products outlined in the report.
Stand by for logic:
"Before bump stocks were used to kill 58 people and maim hundreds of others enjoying an outdoor concert, most Americans had never heard of the device," David Chipman, a Giffords senior policy adviser, said in a statement.
I'm trying to envision a muzzle loader with a bump stock... Still trying... Nope.
Congress has the responsibility to look forward not just backward.
Look forward to a new era of muzzle loaded mur-ur-ur-urder!...
It’s time for them to show courage and leadership by drawing a line in the sand and saying they will defend the safety of Americans over an industry trying to line its pockets."
All industries try to line their pockets. It's called "business." I don't think Browning or Smith & Wesson even make muzzle loaders anymore. Why should they? The target (sorry) market's too small. Thompson/Center's the only manufacturer that actually comes to mind, though I'm sure there are others.
When I first heard about this on Tucker, I said "Nah, can't be." So I researched it and found a number of sources referencing it, I said "Nah, Giffords and her pals can't be that stupid." But then I read the Giffords release and, after thinking about it for a bit, figured that if these a$$clowns can get muzzle loaders outlawed, it will, effectively, criminalize guns entirely from the lowest common-denominator up. Or, maybe I'm just not the trusting type.
Posted by: Anomalous Sources || 11/17/2017 00:00 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What would benefit the nation is a Roman-style proscription of Giffords and her ilk.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 11/17/2017 0:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Hysteria overlay needed here.
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance || 11/17/2017 2:39 Comments || Top||

#3  What's next, slingshots?
Posted by: no mo uro || 11/17/2017 4:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow. Complete idiots.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/17/2017 6:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Is there anyway we can convince these people to move to Afghanistan?
Posted by: DarthVader || 11/17/2017 8:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Let's not forget Daisy Red Ryder BB guns ...
"You're gonna put your eye out!"
...with bump stock
... silencer
... chain saw bayonet !!!11!1!!!!
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 11/17/2017 10:20 Comments || Top||

#7  There should probably be rules governing the ownership and operation of arquebuses and blunderbusses.
Posted by: Fred || 11/17/2017 11:19 Comments || Top||

#8  People constantly say the the Second Amendment was only intended for muzzle loaders.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 11/17/2017 12:39 Comments || Top||

#9 

No word on Gabby Giffords's plan to jail Daniel Boone. Yet...
Posted by: Woodrow || 11/17/2017 12:41 Comments || Top||

#10  I still want one of those Girandoni air rifles. I haven't seem any reproductions, just talk about doing something like it. It was .46 caliber, but I would be happy with .45 cal.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 11/17/2017 15:45 Comments || Top||

#11  It was a...
Double barrel muzzleloadin' pump action people eater (x3)
Sure looks strange to me!
Posted by: Grerelet Cromoper2844 || 11/17/2017 17:45 Comments || Top||

#12  A.R. Arquebus
When it's not enough to cuss
A.R. Arquebus
Makes your pike superfluous
Posted by: Grerelet Cromoper2844 || 11/17/2017 17:56 Comments || Top||

#13  NASA Astronaut.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/17/2017 20:18 Comments || Top||

#14  I think I'll buy some black powder stock now.
Posted by: bbrewer126 || 11/17/2017 21:05 Comments || Top||

#15  Woodrow, from now on please set image/video width at 500, not 1263. You saw what happens when the width is set too wide. I've fixed it, so no permanent harm done.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/17/2017 21:56 Comments || Top||



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