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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Police arrest bomb hoaxer who threw fake explosive at patrol car near Times Square
  • [Daily Mail, Where America Gets Its News] The suspect threw a suspicious device at a police car near Times Square

  • NYPD bomb squad officers investigated the object before declaring it safe

  • Officers then surrounded Hector Meneses in Columbus Circle, New York

  • He told cops: 'I want to die and I have a bomb strapped to my chest'

  • Standoff went on for six hours as police negotiated with Meneses, described as disturbed, who was wearing a plastic red helmet and vest

  • Incident caused huge disruption to the morning commute in the city
Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 10:17 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  described as disturbed

We're going to have to reopen the insane asylums. This has reached an unacceptable level.
Posted by: trailing wife || 07/21/2016 12:25 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Miami Police Shoot Unarmed Black Autism Carer As He Lay On The Ground With His Hands In The Air
I'm beginning to think this will never end.
Police are investigating after an unarmed black carer for an autistic man was shot by an officer despite footage showing him lying on the ground with his hands in the air.
What MORE could he have done? The poor guy was thrust into this situation and had no partner in the police. They have to learn to relax a bit and not draw their guns at the sight of their shadows. Hang back a bit and holler louder. Stand behind a police car or pole while talking to the subject. Maybe look from a couple of angles. Maybe figure out how to use binoculars.
Charles Kinsey was trying to take his 23-year-old patient back to a mental health centre in Miami when he was surrounded by armed police who had been called to reports of a man with a gun threatening to shoot himself.
Quick! Get over there and kill him before he can create a problem!
A video taken by a bystander showed Kinsey pleading with officers from North Miami Police not to shoot as he lay down and told his patient sitting next to him to be still.
They bystander figured it out. He wasn't in fear of his life. Why can't the cops?
The 47-year-old is heard shouting: "All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck. I am a behaviour therapist at a group home."
Very complicated for anyone to understand. I can imagine why the officers were confused.
He also tells his patient to lie down, saying: "Rinaldo, please be still, Rinaldo. Sit down Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach."
Given what happened, I'm surprised they didn't shoot Rinaldo 50 times and kill him first.
Moments later Kinsey says he was shot in the leg by one of the officers despite still keeping his hands in the air.
Maybe Kinsey should have tried jumping jacks instead?
"I'm going to the ground just like this here with my hands up, and I'm laying down here just like this," he told WSVN-TV from his hospital bed. "I tell them again, 'Sir, there's no need for a firearm. I'm unarmed. He's an autistic guy, he had a toy truck in his hand'.
Even more complicated. I can imagine that an officer would be in fear for his life with words like that.
"When he shot me it was so surprising, it was like a mosquito bite. I said, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' And his answer was, I peed my pants 'I don't know.'"
A perfect candidate for the Hillary defense.
A second video shows police detain the pair, with Kinsey claiming he was handcuffed and left bleeding from his gunshot wound.
Jesus H. Christ. NO WEAPON. Why are they handcuffed? Do we need Tonka truck control now?
North Miami Police says the incident occurred on Monday (18 July) after officers were called to reports of an armed man threatening to kill himself at the junction of Northeast 127th Street and 14th Avenue.
Right. Blame it on the caller. You must believe the caller. You must not question the caller. For example, if the caller said there's a lunatic talking about guns on the lawn at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, you must respond accordingly.
They instead found Kinsey speaking with his autistic patient who had wandered off from a mental health centre and was sitting down in the middle of the road to play with a toy truck.
A fearsome sight indeed for someone without any common sense.
A statement issued on Wednesday by North Miami Police confirmed an officer had fired on Kinsey, striking him in the leg: "Arriving officers attempted to negotiate with two men on the scene, one of whom was later identified as suffering from autism. The other man was later identified as an employee of an Assisted Living Facility (ALF). At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers discharged his weapon, striking the employee of the ALF."
Three times. The guy laying on his back with his hands in the air. Without the lethal toy truck.
North Miami Police said an investigation into the incident has been turned over to the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office, and urged any witnesses to come forward. There was no indication of any weapon being found. The officer who fired on Kinsey, whose ethnicity or name has not been released, has been placed on administrative leave, as is standard departmental policy.
In the meanwhile, he should probably get a head start on his upcoming community service hours. In an autistic group home. Maybe that will knock some common sense into him.
The North Miami Police Department is the latest law enforcement agency under investigation for the shooting of an unarmed black man. Kinsey, whose injuries are not life-threatening, is a member of the Circle of Brotherhood which does good deeds for the community. The group have demanded answers from the police.
Good luck getting anything other than "it was justified because the officer was in fear for his life of a toy truck".
"We found out bits and pieces and we're still finding things out," said member Lyle Muhammad. "So we'd just like to go see him."
Posted by: gorb || 07/21/2016 13:45 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Militarizing our police was the biggest mistake we as a nation made under Bush. We need police officers, not soldiers, in our communities. If policing cannot be done due to gang and other violence, then send in the Guard and lock it down, like New Orleans after Katrina. Or build a wall around it and let them police themselves.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/21/2016 14:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Ditto OS. 'Guns and Gear' won't cut it. You've got to know what to do when confronted with an terrorist ambush or complex attack.

Continuing to engage fire and 'pile on' sounds heroic, but it can be costly.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/21/2016 14:53 Comments || Top||

#3  A fuck-up is turned into a universal indictment.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/21/2016 15:58 Comments || Top||

#4  A nation of hundreds of millions of people interacting every day.

Each person now has a cell phone camera and a social media account.

Human beings are imperfect.

However we have a process in place to address every incident as fairly as possible.

The media and the politicians are using these incidents to furthur worse solutions that will not work better than what is in place instead of urging people to let the existing process take its course.

That is the real provlem.
Posted by: Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 || 07/21/2016 16:56 Comments || Top||

#5  I know I've said the same thing OS.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/21/2016 17:08 Comments || Top||

#6  One of several mistakes OS.

The "War on Drugs" is another.

The ghetto culture which turned all blacks into potential killers (see Rev Jesse) is another.

This is disgusting and distressing on so many levels.
Posted by: AlanC || 07/21/2016 17:51 Comments || Top||

#7  You can see that there are too many bad stuff by police.
The problem is that Leftists Media just put the black cases in front pages to get votes fro Democratas including even cases where the police clearely is right. But don't let the most dishonest profession in world mistake you.
There are many cases of police stupidity.

If the story is correct how can you justify this?
Even how can you justify this as a mistake.
trigger issue? cop have a mental issue?
Posted by: Tarzan Slailet2796 || 07/21/2016 17:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Cop stressed by shootings of police, accidental discharge.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/21/2016 18:33 Comments || Top||

#9  This one is bad. Looking at that photo - there is no excuse. Thankfully, this incident was not fatal. The offending police officer just unleashed incredible misery upon us all. Thanks, asshole.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 07/21/2016 20:50 Comments || Top||


CLE flag burner self-ignites, police assaulted
Cleveland, kept in touch with the world by Obamaphone,
...was ruled by a Democrat machine from 1942 through 1971. After the river caught fire during the administration of Carl Stokes they tried a Republican, then went back to being Democrats when the party hacked up Dennis Kucinich ...
Police Chief Calvin Williams, who was at the scene, said the person who started burning the flag caught himself and others around him on fire and officers moved in to put out the flames.

"That's when they got defensive," Williams said, "and that's when they assaulted an officer."

One officer was punched and pushed, according to Williams, and "the whole area got amped up when this happened."

Video from the scene showed the flag, followed by a scuffle and a visual of someone spraying a substance into the middle of the crowd. Police said no pepper spray was used but that an officer did use a fire extinguisher.

A group that provides legal services for protesters criticized the police for what it called "aggressive shows of force."

"The Ohio NLG is highly concerned about these arrests and the escalation of police tactics against peaceful demonstrators," said Jocelyn Resnick of the Ohio Lawyers Guild.

The protest was announced in advance by Joey Johnson, a revolutionary communist known for flag-burnings. Hours before the protest, there was a call on Twitter for counter-protesters to turn out, too.

Johnson was one of the 17 nabbed
Youse'll never take me alive coppers!... [BANG!]... Ow!... I quit!
, but Williams said none of the charges were related to burning the flag, which is legal. Johnson and other protesters chanted "America was never great" as they were taken into custody.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
Posted by: Tennessee || 07/21/2016 0:52 Comments || Top||


#3  Me, if I was a cop on the scene, I would take things easy.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 07/21/2016 2:01 Comments || Top||

#4  ...During the windup to Desert Storm, a group of Cleveland Maoists (yeah, there was/is such a thing) decided to burn a flag in Public Square to provoke the cops into a response, figuring that the sight of a burning flag would send the cops into transports of brutally repressive ecstasy, all of which would be caught on camera and therefore help to usher in the Revolution.
So, their leader (a lady wearing a t-shirt that said, "Mao More Than Ever"), lights off the flag at the height of the demonstration...at which point a few dozen bystanders promptly charge the little band of freedom fighters and beat them within an inch of their lives. The cops allowed the citizens to make their point, and then stepped in to arrest the bruised and bleeding Mao Lady for inciting a riot.

I love my hometown.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/21/2016 5:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I must admit to finding the term "Cleveland Maoist" deeply disturbing.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 07/21/2016 6:19 Comments || Top||

#6  "Cleveland Maoists"? Yes, it does seem to suggest a vaguely Obscene vision of large mirrors, Louis the IVX damask chairs and a rubber snake.
Posted by: Gleque Mussolini1457 || 07/21/2016 7:35 Comments || Top||

#7  Good thing they didn't try that crap in Little Italy. Their bodies would never have been found and nobody saw anything either, Officer.
Posted by: GORT || 07/21/2016 7:44 Comments || Top||

#8  They should have thrown the burning guy into the river.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/21/2016 8:20 Comments || Top||

#9  Really made an ash of himself.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/21/2016 8:21 Comments || Top||

#10  That was a heartwarming story, Mike.
Posted by: Raj || 07/21/2016 9:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Do NOT attempt to engage. Move the crowd away 100m whilst screaming 'drop and roll, drop and roll.'
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/21/2016 9:19 Comments || Top||

#12  They should have thrown the burning guy into the river.

I believe the authorities don't want a repeat.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/21/2016 9:21 Comments || Top||

#13  P2K, despite what people think, the Cuyahoga River no longer catches fire. Mostly because almost all of the industries along it have been shut down.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 07/21/2016 9:39 Comments || Top||

#14  So, considering the unemployment. Was les flambéed Cuyahoga a good thing, or bad ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/21/2016 9:52 Comments || Top||

#15  The Cuyahoga River in Cleveland is now so clean, the unemployed can spend their spare time fishing in it. The Burning River brand of APA beer is named after those old times.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 07/21/2016 11:14 Comments || Top||

#16  When I read "self ignites", I thought this was going to be about Ted Cruz.
Posted by: charger || 07/21/2016 11:30 Comments || Top||

#17  Oh, Lenin, Lenin;
Can't you see I'm burnin', burnin'?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 07/21/2016 18:17 Comments || Top||


Another Dubai skyscraper facade burns
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Global Warming Expedition Stopped In Its Tracks By Arctic Sea Ice
[DAILYCALLER] A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

The Polar Ocean Challenge is taking a two month journey that will see them go from Bristol, Alaska, to Norway, then to Russia through the North East passage, back to Alaska through the North West passage, to Greenland and then ultimately back to Bristol. Their objective, as laid out by their website, was to demonstrate "that the Arctic sea ice coverage shrinks back so far now in the summer months that sea that was permanently locked up now can allow passage through."
Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Used the inevitable delay to formulate new theory of how global warming causes worldwide cooling?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 07/21/2016 2:03 Comments || Top||

#2  the boat left Murmansk late but it resumed travel

see here
Posted by: lord garth || 07/21/2016 8:54 Comments || Top||

#3  British explorers in the Arctic, sounds like trouble......
Posted by: Lonzo Chalet6932 || 07/21/2016 11:53 Comments || Top||


Fox: Anchor Rebellion, Creation of Competitor Network Looms Amid Ailes Ouster Rumors
[BREITBART] At least one top talent inside Fox News has confirmed to Breitbart News that a major talent meeting among various different hosts is scheduled, and they are considering leaving with Roger Ailes to form a new network to compete with Fox.

"Everyone here hates Gretchen and Megyn," the talent said in a brief phone interview, adding that hosts from Fox and Friends and throughout the primetime lineup from the co-hosts of The Five to Special Report’s Bret Baier to Greta Van Susteren to Bill O’Reilly, Shepard Smith and Sean Hannity are planning to band together and potentially execute contract clauses that allow them to leave if Ailes is driven out.

That being said, if this group--Baier, Hannity, Van Susteren, Smith and O’Reilly--can stick together and effectively negotiate as a bloc with whatever other resources and talent they have, they could strap together enough leverage to block Kelly. But that shows how powerful Kelly has become inside a network where most of her colleagues despise her.

Ailes has come under fire amid unsubstantiated allegations from Gretchen Carlson, the former Fox anchor, and now Megyn Kelly of The Kelly File that he allegedly sexually harassed them.

The only host whom this talent hasn’t personally confirmed as part of a potential mass exodus was O’Reilly. But since Ailes bailed out O’Reilly when he came under fire for a loofah incident that even he would "consider" leaving in a mass exodus.

"Fox can have Megyn," the talent said. "We want Roger."
Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Loofah incident"
Sounds like something Calvin would say.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/21/2016 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Shepard Smith ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/21/2016 3:33 Comments || Top||

#3  The "talent" and network both need to realize that conservative viewership made them, they did not make us. Another real conservative news network would finish this group of clowns - I would love to see it happen.

It is not rocket science 50% of all TV viewers are conservative, if a network serves them then they get 50% of the market. Fox has been suspect for awhile...would love to see a real conservative news network push Fox out.
Posted by: Tennessee || 07/21/2016 11:41 Comments || Top||

#4  anyone who doesn't see the collusion of powerful progressive/elitist democrat forces to destroy the only media voice for conservatives, is simply not paying attention. The power of Fox is deeply damaging to the Clintons, the Obama's and the coterie of Soros allied backers of the globalism progressive voice. Watching the slow descent of Megyn into self-absorbed conceit has been heartbreaking, since she showed such bright promise but has drifted into celebrity mindset.
I agree a conservative network will thrive as a Fox bereft of talent shrivels under the likes of Shep, but the interregnum will come at a time of National need for coverage of the important things that ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN will not even note....
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 07/21/2016 12:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Loofah incident.

Actually, there are a number of incidents listed here. Search for "loofa" and follow the link.

Bill, Bill, Bill . . . . What are we going to do with you?
Posted by: gorb || 07/21/2016 12:32 Comments || Top||

#6  I would like to see a news channel that (a) didn't have a constant scroll (b) wasn't all opinion shows. Unfortunately I think the opinion shows get the ratings so what can be done?

I would also like to see more international news. What is the point of being owned by an Australian if we don't get proper world news?
Posted by: rjschwarz || 07/21/2016 14:09 Comments || Top||


Monsters in the minefield
[BBC] Pokemon Go: Bosnia players warned of minefields
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Africa Horn
Puntland, Somaliland forces clash in Sanaag, 5 killed
Not WoT, just the usual killing in Africa...
DHAHAR, Somalia -- At least five soldiers have been killed after Puntland and Somaliland troops clashed in a deadly battle amidst the latter’s voter registration exercise in restive northern Sanaagregion on Monday, Garowe Online reports.

Puntland Member of Parliament Abdihakin Dhobadired unveiled that he cannot rule out deaths in Sanaag clashes at a press briefing. Locals were quoted as saying that technicals were alsoseized. Puntland Army Commander have confirmed that three soldiers on their side and two high ranking Somaliland military officers were killed.

Highland Governor Mohamed Farah Jentalo blamed the clashes on what he described “Somaliland’s flagrant aggression” during a phone interview with Puntland-based independent station, Radio Garowe. He said, Puntland forces were in control of areas where the fighting erupted in the early hours of the day.

206 wards Saturday opened in Sanaag region and Somaliland Electoral Board asked residents to register and update their details on voter rolls ahead of 2017 presidential and parliamentary elections.

Somaliland Defence Minister Ahmed Haji Ali (Adami) has led a delegation of ministers, MPs and army majors to his stronghold Badhan by Sunday.

In a separate voter registration process, Fisheries Minister Ali Jama Bured is in Dhahar town in a sign for consolidating Somaliland presence in the strongly contested region.

Somaliland beefed up troops over the last few weeks despite warnings that such a military movement could trigger a “fresh flare-up”.

Fears of imminent clashes had already gripped residents of Badhan and Dhahar towns as Somaliland presses ahead with registration campaign.

Security Minister Abdi Hirsi Ali (Qarjab) earlier held a news conference in Galkayo, warning archrival Somaliland of grim consequences should electoral exercise continue.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Britain
UK Nuclear Sub Damaged In Gibraltar Collision
HMS Ambush, an Astute-class submarine, was "submerged and conducting a training exercise" when it was involved in what the Ministry of Defence described as a "glancing collision" on Wednesday afternoon.

The incident caused the submarine to dock in Gibraltar, which has long been the subject of a sovereignty row between Spain and Britain.
Stickleback class ?
In a statement the Spanish foreign ministry said it had asked the British embassy in Madrid for "urgent explanations over the extent of the breakdown and all relevant information regarding the circumstances of this incident".

The collision caused damage to the front of the conning tower on HMS Ambush, but the Ministry of Defence said that there was "absolutely no damage" to the submarine's nuclear plant.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 07/21/2016 06:35 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It hit a rock? Is Prudential the insurance carrier?
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 07/21/2016 14:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Seems to have clipped a merchie:
http://gcaptain.com/royal-navy-nuclear-sub-in-collision-with-commercial-vessel/
Posted by: Hupusose Bumble5390ed in texas || 07/21/2016 18:55 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
This 1973 war is why the Air Force thinks the A-10 can't survive in modern combat
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Israeli military successfully beat back a two-front invasion by Syria and Egypt. The war lasted only a few weeks, but its implications for air combat continue to reverberate -- even helping make the case for ditching the iconic A-10 "Warthog."

The Yom Kippur War raged October 6-25 in 1973, and the Israeli forces initially suffered severe setbacks. It was a full, combined arms conflict in which tanks, artillery, planes, infantry, and air-defense missiles all had their say.

But one string of events reaches forward in time from those weeks and threatens the A-10.

Israel's air force, the Chel Ha'Avir, was able to slow and halt nearly all advances by tanks and other ground forces when it was safe to fly. But when the enemy forces stayed under the air-defense umbrella, Israel's pilots came under heavy attack.

In one instance, 55 missiles were flying at Israel's pilots in a single, small strip of land occupied by Syrian forces.

This resulted in Israeli ground forces either quickly losing their air cover to battlefield losses or to pilots becoming so worried about enemy missiles that they couldn't operate properly. In the first three days of fighting, the Chel Ha'Avir lost approximately 50 fighters and fighter-bombers -- 14% of the air force's entire frontline combat strength.

Israeli forces turned the tables with a few brilliant maneuvers. At one point, a pilot realized the enemy was firing too many missiles, so he led his men in quick passes as bait, causing the enemy to expend all its ordnance while downing relatively few planes. The survivors of this risky maneuver were then able to fly with near impunity.
And that is the point at which you send in the Hogs.
On another front, troops opened the way for the air force by striking the missile sites with long-range guns. They moved forward of their established safe zones to do so, putting their forces at risk to save the planes above them.

Israel went on to win the war, allowing NATO and other Western militaries to pat themselves on the back because their tactics and hardware defeated a coalition equipped with Soviet tactics and hardware.

But for the Chel Ha'Avir and aviation officers around the world, there was a lesson to be parsed out of the data.

Both the A-4 Skyhawk and the F-4 Phantom flew a high number of sorties against the Syrians, the Egyptians, and their allies. But the Skyhawk suffered a much worse rate of loss than the F-4.

This was -- at least in part -- because the F-4 flew faster and higher and could escape surface-to-air missiles and radar-controlled machine guns more easily. Just a year after the A-10's debut flight and over three years before it was introduced to the air fleet, the whole concept of low-and-slow close air support seemed dated.

The resulting argument, that low-and-slow CAS is too risky, is part of the argument about whether the Air Force should ditch the A-10 Warthog for the fast-moving, stealthy F-35 Lightning II.

Of course, not everyone agrees that the Yom Kippur War is still a proper example of the close-air-support debate.

First, the A-10 has spent its entire service life in the post-Yom Kippur War world. While it suffered six losses against the Iraqis during Desert Storm, it has been flying against more advanced air defenses than the A-4s faced in the Yom Kippur War while remaining a lethal force throughout the flight. The A-10 has never needed a safe space.

Second, while the A-10's speed and preferred altitudes may make it more vulnerable than fast-movers to ground fire, it also makes the jet more capable when firing against ground targets. To modernize the old John A. Shedd saying about ships, "A ground-attack jet at high-altitude may be safe, but that's not what they are designed for."

Finally, the Yom Kippur War was a short conflict in which the Chel Ha'Avir had to fly against a numerically superior enemy while that enemy was marching on its capital. This forced commanders to take additional risks, sending everything they had to slow the initial Syrian and Egyptian momentum.

The US Air Force is much larger and has many more planes at its command. That means it can field more specialized aircraft. F-35s and F-22s can support ground forces near enemy air defenses and go after missile sites and other fighters while A-10s or the proposed arsenal plane attack ground forces from behind the F-22 and F-35 shield.

This isn't to say that the Air Force is necessarily wrong to divest itself of the A-10 to bolster the F-35. The Warthog can't stay on the battlefield forever. But if the A-10 has served its entire career in the post-Yom Kippur world, it seems like a shallow argument to say it couldn't possibly fight and win for another five or 10 years after nearly 40 successful ones.
Posted by: gorb || 07/21/2016 13:35 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If we are faced with an advanced enemy, the air force is supposed to be doing more than sending in A-10's unsupported. Any SAM battery stupid enough to turn on their radars should die in minutes from HARMs. If you are unwilling to prepare the battlefield, you are going to suffer massive losses. This is what the whole concept of COMBINED ARMS is about. That means the air arm needs fights, bombers and CAS aircraft, not the overpriced version of a chinese knock off swiss army aircraft.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 07/21/2016 13:46 Comments || Top||

#2  All the Air Force wants to do is take down fighters. They don't consider it manly to deal with tanks.

Take CAS away from them and give it to the Army and Marines. That way the mission will be done by people who care about it.

(And if the Air Force won't provide air cover to CAS from other services, then disband them and fold them back into the Army.)
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 07/21/2016 14:04 Comments || Top||

#3  SEAD anyone? Each tool has strengths and weaknesses, but Combined means the Zoomies need to be a part. If Air supremacy is their sole mission, the CAS mission and the tools to do it becomes another form of direct fire strategy, just a bit more vertical, and the ground forces are the place for those tools.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 07/21/2016 14:12 Comments || Top||

#4  IIRC it was the new missile/gun combination of the SA-6 and ZSU-23 that caused the problem. At first Israeli pilots would split-S upon being lit up by the SA6 radar - right into the sights of the quad 23mm guns.

Once they figured it out there was hell to pay.
Posted by: Peanut Gallery || 07/21/2016 16:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Of course, not everyone agrees that the Yom Kippur War is still a proper example of the close-air-support debate.

D'Oh! The Soviets, Egyptians and Syrians thought, planned and wargamed until they had a decent set of tactics against the IAF doctrine. When the Israelis started adapting the situation changed. Kenneth Pollack's Arabs at War thesis as to why the opening moves worked so well and the rest was the normal mediocrity in action.

They are assuming the F-35 will ever be built in sufficient quantities to actually do anything in that high-intensity combat theater.
Posted by: magpie || 07/21/2016 16:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Remember that little war we had in '91? Where Iraq and Baghdad were the most heavily defended air space outside of Moscow? Remember how the A-10s were shot down in droves because it couldn't survive?

No, of course you fucking don't. We didn't lose one! (yeah a couple were shot up and had to be scrapped, but they made it home)

The A-10 with combined arms thrives and terrorizes enemy ground forces and I guarantee the F-35 won't perform as well. Especially if they come in low and a 20mm anti-air gunner does a good eyeball track. How well would the flying turkey do against shells vs. the A-10? It would be very expensive, burning metal is what it would be.
Posted by: DarthVader || 07/21/2016 17:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Darth: Four were shot down, one shot up and crashed on landing, and one was shot up and crashed on landing during extreme weather, totalling six losses in Feb. 1991.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 07/21/2016 17:18 Comments || Top||

#8  A-10 has no future against a proper enemy armed with manpads.

Posted by: Tarzan Slailet2796 || 07/21/2016 17:46 Comments || Top||

#9  After 8 years of riddling our military personel with transvestites and imcompetant PC people, no matter what our weapons are, we will be defeated. Just like the navy strayed into Iranian waters recently and surrendered at a moments notice.
Posted by: Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 || 07/21/2016 18:09 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
NAB KP arrests own official over graft charge
[DAWN] PESHAWAR: National Accountability Bureau, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
... formerly NWFP, still Terrorism Central...
, has tossed in the clink
its own additional director on charges of corruption.

A statement issued here on Tuesday said Rooman Zaheer, additional director (BPS-19) of NAB, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, was involved in committing the offence of corruption with the connivance of others.

The accused dishonestly, fraudulently and illegally received pecuniary advantage under the garb of closure of NAB inquiry. His arrest was ordered by NAB director general, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

The statement said the accused would be produced before the accountability court for obtaining his physical remand.

Meanwhile, a NAB official requesting anonymity told Dawn that they had also recovered Rs687,000 from the accused involved in corruption under a plea bargain. He said the accused had been serving with the NAB for last 10 years.

The official said the accused moved the money through banking channels and later signed a plea bargain agreement with the Bureau and also handed over a draft of the said amount with the accountability watchdog. “Plea bargain is deemed as conviction,” the official said, adding the accused would lose all pension and other related benefits after entering the plea bargain.
Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Seven dacoits killed in ‘encounter’
[DAWN] RAHIM YAR KHAN: Police claimed on Tuesday to have killed seven dacoits in an ’encounter’ at Mahi Chowk near Bhong in Sadiqabad tehsil.

The dacoits were members of Indhar gang operating in border areas of Punjab
1.) Little Orphan Annie's bodyguard
2.) A province of Pakistain ruled by one of the Sharif brothers
3.) A province of India. It is majority (60 percent) Sikh and Hindoo (37 percent), which means it has relatively few Moslem riots....

and Sindh. Gang leader Khanu Indhar was also among the dead, while 10 other gang members managed their escape.

According to a police front man, law-enforcement agencies had been chasing the dacoits for the last three days. He said police teams of Sadiqabad, Ahmedpur Lamma, Kot Sabzal and Bhong participated in the operation.

According to police, these dacoits were involved in heinous crimes, including kidnap for ransom, murder, robbery and vehicle snatching. Their bodies were shifted to Kot Sabzal cop shoppe.

According to APP, six of the dead were identified as Khan Mohammad Khanu (ringleader), Nadir, Lalu, Sanuallah, Saghir and Mahdo.

Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Dacoit
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 10:31 Comments || Top||


PML-N to pass law against honour killings following Qandeel's murder, says Maryam
[DAWN] Pakistain Moslem League-Nawaz plans to pass long-delayed legislation against "honour killings" within weeks in the wake of the high-profile murder of outspoken social media star Qandeel Baloch, the daughter of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif
... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf...
said on Wednesday.

The bill will go before a parliamentary committee as early as Thursday, said Maryam Nawaz Sharif, who is an increasingly influential member of her father's ruling party.

The government has faced mounting pressure to pass the law against murders carried out by people professing to be acting in defence of the honour of their family.

The law would remove a loophole that allows other family members to pardon a killer.

The brother of social media star Qandeel Baloch has been incarcerated
Drop the heater, Studs, or you're hist'try!
in connection with her strangling death and told a news conference he was incensed by her often risqu posts on social media.

Posted by: Fred || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Science & Technology
US Navy's Newest $12.9bn Supercarrier Doesn't Work
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 07/21/2016 17:36 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We need to scrap it and replace it with more A-10s.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 07/21/2016 19:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Inter-continental railguns, I say.
Posted by: phil_b || 07/21/2016 20:24 Comments || Top||

#3  So Gerald Ford stumbles again. Why am I not surprised.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/21/2016 20:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Lesson learned. Never build anything new.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/21/2016 21:47 Comments || Top||

#5  No oil in the transmissions?
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 22:45 Comments || Top||


Pepper robot gets new job selling insurance
Finally - an upside to EMP.
Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy || 07/21/2016 11:16 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Flame-throwing drones
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If its on their own property ... who cares?
Posted by: 3dc || 07/21/2016 9:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Post a bomb making video, see who comes knocking.
Posted by: Skidmark || 07/21/2016 10:34 Comments || Top||

#3  If its on their own property ... who cares?

It kinda bursts some bubbles when people figure out drones can do more than just take pictures.
Posted by: gorb || 07/21/2016 12:34 Comments || Top||



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