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-Land of the Free
This Week in Guns, July 16th, 2016


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

A week following the incident we know a little more about the Micah Johnson massacre of Dallas police officers at a Black Lives Matter protest.

We know, for example, the shooter used either an SKS or an AK-74 rifle. Both rifles fire rounds that will ruin your whole day, the 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm respectively, but somehow it matters.

It was later revealed the Dallas tactical team used an explosive charge delivered by robot to end the standoff. A number of publications have criticized the tactic, questioning whether it was appropriate for Dallas SWAT to even have C4 available to them.

It is funny that the publications have had zero problem with the growing militarization of the cops and their tactics, or have chosen to ignore it right up until the moment that explosive charge was detonated, killing Johnson.

I myself have been criticized for likening the Dallas SWAT tactics to those of first person shooters moving against players who "camp."

The way I see it, between the time Johnson fired his first rounds and the time he left this vale of tears there was a firefight in which anything available could be used as a weapon, by both sides. Johnson used some close quarter battle tactics he learned from videos to kill police officers, and when he retreated he went into an area in which Dallas SWAT was forced to deal with him. At that moment, it was still a firefight even though no shots were being fired.

Think of it: a hostile element uses a semiautomatic rifle to gun down 14 of your tribe, and you, holding to the law and standards developed for your entity, attempt to negotiate a peaceful end to this sh*t show started by said hostile entity. After several hours, the suspect still refuses to surrender and acts as if what he is doing at that moment is some great victory.

I have criticized cops in this column in the past, sometimes severely, sometimes maybe unfairly. There is much to criticize them for: their increasingly militarized armaments and tactics, and their craven willingness to enforce unconstitutional laws and directives. The list goes on, and I will continue to criticize them.

But when gunfire gets exchanged between them and whatever other entity or individual, they will and should use whatever means they have to survive the encounter and to end the encounter. That's their job.

Think also that the police have other matters to deal with in a firefight. Their background shooting is a major one. Whether the shooting was a "good" shooting is another. All well and good to make them hold to those matters. But when the lead is flying I won't dig into the minutiae of the decision making process that led them to decide to deliver that one pound surprise to Johnson. That was part of the sh*t show they did not start, but were forced to end.

Dunno if anyone else has noticed, but since it was learned that the shooter was black and radical, the hue and cry for disarmament was greatly reduced. It became thunderous by its absence. So, if you think the calls for disarming the American citizenry are being made by stupid people, you should know that your enemies aren't stupid. They want you disarmed when they come for you.

Loads

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were mixed. Prices for rifle ammunition were mixed.

Prices for used pistols were mixed. Prices for used rifles were mixed.

New Lows:

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.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (6 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .24 per round
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.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Mart, Store Brand, FSFP, Brass Casing, Reloads, .20 per round
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9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each
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.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round
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.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Hotshot, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round
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.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .35 per round
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7.62x39mm AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Depot, Wolf WPA, Steel Case, FMJ, .24 per round
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.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds (10 Box Limit): Ammomen, Federal, RNL, .07 per round
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Texas (211, 188): Tisas: $450 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $325 (47 Weeks))
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Used Gun of the Week: (Missouri)
Smith & Wesson 629 Chambered in .44 Magnum
Posted by: badanov || 07/16/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


#2  A number of publications have criticized the tactic, questioning whether it was appropriate for Dallas SWAT to even have C4 available to them.

Many Swat teams have C4 for breaching doors in high risk entry.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/16/2016 9:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Look for the left to call for restrictions on large trucks but at the same time call for more gun control--don't ever want to let as crisis go to waste as Rahm Msnuel said.
Posted by: JohnQC || 07/16/2016 9:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Gun control is about putting ordnance on target, especially using one with a lot of kick.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/16/2016 9:09 Comments || Top||

#5  What means "background shooting"?
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 07/16/2016 10:38 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm fine with police having C4, so long as I can have it too.
Posted by: Iblis || 07/16/2016 11:02 Comments || Top||

#7  1. Is that graphic if the text around the muzzle real or a Photoshop? I'm going to engrave my own barrel with that, in any event.
2. C4 makes decent fish bait. Also good for 'splody fishing, but you've got to be quick, the suckers sink pretty fast.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 07/16/2016 18:00 Comments || Top||

#8  "You gonna talk or fish?"
Posted by: badanov || 07/16/2016 19:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Got some range time today
hooo mmmm mmm
Posted by: swksvolFF || 07/16/2016 19:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Controlled C4 is the ONLY option when a shooter is surrounded by high rise hotels, high rise residences, and a major active rail and metro bus transit center all within two blocks of his hi-powered weapon and when it is clear bullets aren't going to take him out.

Thank God Dallas is on the cutting edge of urban warfare with robots and controlled C4.
Posted by: Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 || 07/16/2016 20:25 Comments || Top||

#11  Also, after Dallas and the real purpose of the BLM is for Obama to take comtrol of all police which then makes him a powerful dictator. At this time he does not control our police.
Posted by: Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 || 07/16/2016 20:32 Comments || Top||


Europe
Nice attack: European bigotry continues to create divisions and nourish radicalism
[NATION.PK] At this point we have to fight against the ideology of fanaticism, not against each other
In which Nigel Farage is somehow compared to ISIS, so it was all his fault.

Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Brexit, and the Nice attack, provide Europe – especially the xenophobes in Poland, Hungry, Bulgaria, Macedonia and anti-immigrant nations – to look into the mirror and see how it feels to be looked down upon you by those who think they have a bit more than what you have. One jeopardizes the whole social development of Europe by starting to follow the solution to the refugee crisis provided by the xenophobic way of the radicals in West.

But mass murder by 14 tonne lorry is virtually unheard of in Poland, Hungry, Bulgaria, Macedonia.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 2:14 Comments || Top||

#2  there is no problem with radicalism in countries that have no muslims

so deport Islamism

the only muslims we should allow to stay in the west are those that disavow sharia
Posted by: anon1 || 07/16/2016 2:49 Comments || Top||

#3  The real enemy are the tranzies. Muzzies are just the beasts that they unleash on their own people --- after unleashing them of Israel for 50 years.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 07/16/2016 5:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Ditto g(r)om.

If the Muslims don't like he way they're treated they should just stay in their own countries and fix those up the way they want them.

Of course the tranzis lose their shock troops if that happens.
Posted by: AlanC || 07/16/2016 7:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Grom nailed it.

Confluence of purpose. The Davoisie and the NPR-listening left view radical Islam as a means of exterminating Christians and de-Westernizing the West that does not involve getting their own hands dirty.
Posted by: no mo uro || 07/16/2016 9:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Frankly, this article by a nondescript Pak (are there any other kind?), and produced by by The Nation, is about as useful as an article in the Marxist-dominated Nation produced in the USA.
Posted by: Voldemort Barnsmell8316 || 07/16/2016 10:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Seriously? She's blaming Nigel Farage? She ain't seen nuthin yet. But if her friends keep up the terror attacks, she will.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 07/16/2016 12:22 Comments || Top||

#8  The Rant chronicles how Christians are treated in the ME, and likes of Pakland. They only tolerate those who show up with government aid money.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 07/16/2016 13:19 Comments || Top||


The Grand Turk
Was Turkish President Erdogan caught unawares ?
[The Intercept] Lee Fang, May 8, 2015 - Former Central Intelligence Director Porter Goss is taking an unusual swing through the revolving door: He recently registered to lobby for the government of Turkey, according to forms filed with the Justice Department.

U.S. News, 15 July 2016: Obama - All parties in Turkey should support Erdogan gov't.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 08:19 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Activist Cornel West goes Green Party, sez Clinton is a
[Wash Times] Activist Cornel West, a Democratic platform committee member, has announced he will vote for the Green Party presidential candidate instead of Democrat Hillary Clinton, calling her a "neo-liberal disaster."

Mr. West’s decision to vote against Ms. Clinton comes even though he participated in drafting the 2016 Democratic National Convention platform after being named to the committee by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"This November, we need change. Yet we are tied in a choice between [Donald] Trump, who would be a neo-fascist catastrophe, and Clinton, a neo-liberal disaster," said Mr. West in a Thursday op-ed in the (U.K.) Guardian.
Safely distant from where the actual voters are, though in some circles it will be happened across and circulated.
A former Ivy League professor, Mr. West ultimately abstained from casting a final vote on the Democratic platform earlier this month over what he described as the party's "moral failures."

Instead, Mr. West said he would support Jill Stein, the presumptive Green Party presidential nominee. The party's nominating convention is scheduled for Aug. 4-7 in Houston.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 09:12 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Jim Woolsey: Does The Champ Care More About ‘Public Relations' Than Defeating ISIS?
[Daily Caller] Former CIA Director James Woolsey said on Friday that he has "no idea" why Barack Obama telegraphs troop deployments and strategy against ISIS "unless they care more about the public relations than they do about winning the war."

Appearing on Fox News's "Your World" with guest host Sandra Smith, Woolsey responded to retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn's concern that, "We continue to telegraph to our enemies exactly what we're going to do. As recent as a couple days ago the Secretary of Defense telegraphed we're sending another 500 plus soldiers into Iraq. I mean why do we tell our enemies what is is what we're going to do? We shouldn't. Did Bin Laden tell us that he was going to fly planes into the Twin Towers and into the Pentagon? No, so, we have to be a little bit more unpredictable in how we operate."
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 08:58 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does The Champ Care More About ‘Public Relations' Than Defeating ISIS?

...Sh!tteth not the bear in the woods?

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 07/16/2016 9:17 Comments || Top||

#2  "no idea" - Obama is still working on his "fundamental transformation" and this former CIA director doesn't know it? Defective intelligence here.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 07/16/2016 10:29 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Declassified 28 Page 9/11 report may have highlighted wrong border narrative
[Washington Examiner] FBI officials have long suspected that terrorists might try to enter the United States through the southern border due to lax security, according to a newly declassified congressional report on potential Saudi Arabian ties to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence lawmakers voted to approve the release of the much-anticipated "28 pages," a classified discussion of suspicions that the Saudi Arabian government helped the 9/11 hijackers. The report contains remarks on several potential links between the regime and terrorists, including one sign that terrorists were probing the southern border.

"Another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi royal family, [redacted], is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States' southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States," says the report, which dates back to December of 2002.

Lawmakers cautioned that the suspicions detailed in the report shouldn't be taken as fact.
Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 09:23 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Of course not. Nothing that might suggest greater border security should be taken as fact.
Posted by: Mike N. || 07/16/2016 16:34 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Disown jihadist ‘freedom fighters’ in Kashmir
A wide-ranging disquisition on "the discrepancy between political struggle for freedom and jihadist expansionism" triggered by the writer's reflections on the meaning of the death of the hansdsome young face of Kashmir's Hizbul Mujahideen. Well worth the time.
[NATION.PK] Burhan Muzaffar Wani’s killing in an encounter on July 8 has resulted in absolute bedlam in the Kashmire Valley, with corpse count rising to 39 as of yesterday evening. The 21-year-old commander of the Hizbul Mujahideen has been compared to Bhagat Singh ‐ both to credit and discredit Wani’s struggle, depending on who’s doing the juxtaposition. But notwithstanding the often ignored evolution of the moral spectrum on the use of violence in contrasting eras, the crucial differential between the two was their ideological positions.

Wani was the offspring of the global jihadist movement that emerged in the last quarter of the previous century, hammering Moslem-majority freedom movements into Islamist struggles wherever the occupying force was ’non-Moslem’‐ including Paleostine, Kashmire and East Turkestan. And the problem with any Islamist ’freedom’ movement is that it intrinsically contradicts the very idea of freedom.

Hizbul Mujahideen, whose supreme commander Syed Salahuddin had grabbed credit for the Pathankot attack as the chairman of the United Jihad Council, is a jihadist organization whose very vocal ambitions aren’t limited to ’liberating’ Kashmire from India. Hizb overlaps with Jaish-e-Muhammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistain Proxies


Iraq
Why some Iraqi Shiites are pushing for distance from Iran
[ALMONITOR] NAJAF, Iraq -- Iraq’s Shiites are witnessing a political-religious rift in their stance toward Iran whose development can be traced back to 2003. While some express complete loyalty to the Shiite political regime in Tehran, others object to its regional policies, including toward Iraq, and distance from it.

In one example, the predominantly Shiite Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) held a military parade July 1 in Basra. They destroyed US and Israeli flags and burned photos of Saudi King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud. The march sparked criticism and anger among some Shiites, because the United States has friendly relations with Iraq and is supporting its security forces in their war against the Islamic State (IS). Also, given the state competition in the region, hostility toward Saudi Arabia is not in Iraq's interest.

In a related development, differing attitudes could be detected surrounding the demonstrations on International Quds Day, July 1, essentially reflecting the debate over whether Iraqi Shiites should be affiliated with Iran or pursue interests and priorities different from those of the Tehran government. At Quds Day protests organized by the PMU faction Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq in Najaf, a religious hub for Shiite clerics, there was no marked presence of clerics. In contrast, in Qom, Najaf’s religious competitor that receives funding from Iran, a remarkable number of clerics attended the annual protest. Jihad al-Asadi, an instructor in the religious seminary at Najaf, told Al-Monitor, "The Najaf seminary does not support any political agenda outside Iraqi national interests."

Posted by: Besoeker || 07/16/2016 08:06 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Third war against Hezbollah in Lebanon: Not if but when
[Observer]
Posted by: ryuge || 07/16/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “In many of these houses, there is a kitchen, a children’s room, and a rocket room. The homeowners are hosting Hezbollah, but are also being taken hostage by Hezbollah. These homes are, in effect, ‘intel’ outposts and military compounds.

Eventually, Israel will have to take South Lebanon back. This time, we should run the locals off. It's a beautiful country --- once you deverminify.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 07/16/2016 5:25 Comments || Top||

#2  But after you deverminify southern Lebanon all of the vermin will be in northern Lebanon. What you need are some arclights. Too bad our Champ won't lend you some.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 07/16/2016 12:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Anyway, just make sure you get Green Helmet Guy.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 07/16/2016 12:33 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
The enemy within
[NATION.PK] The attacks which spread through the Moslem world just before Eid were particularly horrific, because one of them struck uncomfortably close to home, in the shape of an attack on the Masjid-e-Nabvi, which is, along with the Haram in Makkah, one of the two most sacred sites in Islam. Though the grave of the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) was never under threat, its being contained within the Masjid-e-Nabvi is the reason for the wave of horror within the Moslem world.

Another related issue was raised in one of the attacks, by Bangladeshi krazed killers, who took hostage and then killed 20 people. There has been a claim that the attackers were prompted by lectures from Zakir Naik, the well-known preacher. It has also been noted with some consternation that the attackers did not fit the stereotype of madressah-educated fanatics, but were at some of the top educational institutions of the country. This was seen as parallel to Pakistain, where the Safoora Goth massacre, in which 46 people were killed, was an attack on Ismaili Shias, and was carried out by a group including IBA graduates. Naik was not named, but he is exactly the sort of person who could have influenced them.

The immediate problem is that education is not the panacea it is cracked up to be. One reason seems to be that Western education is not about developing a well-rounded personality, as getting a job. Underneath the veneer of education, the unreconstructed Moslem remains.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 07/16/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  a caliphate would only work if a non-aggressive caliph were head of it, and if we deported each and every muslim in the west to go and live in it.

good luck with that

other than that a caliphate can only be bad news because it reinforces 2 things:

1) that Islam should be a theocratic religion not a secular faith

and

2) a caliph has the power to order offensive jihad. without territory Islamists are forced to torture logic into making jihadist attacks defensive in nature. a small but important difference - this is why we have so much violence since IS got a Caliphate together. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is a caliph and an islamic scholar at that. he has the religous right to order offensive jihad, and he has done this.
Posted by: anon1 || 07/16/2016 2:43 Comments || Top||

#2  I note this is written by a Pakistani muslim

Muslim Brotherhood want the Caliphate

and this is exactly the propaganda they like to get it. Use violent jihadi attacks to justify their call for a caliphate


a Caliphate is not the answer, it makes things 100 x worse

no - secularism is the answer

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-world-and-secularism_b_8033044

as Raza Habib Raja capably explains
Posted by: anon1 || 07/16/2016 2:45 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Spengler on winning domestic intelligence war against the jihadis
[AsiaTimes] Why did the French police allow a foreign national with a criminal record of violence to reside in France? Apart from utter incompetence, the explanation is that he was a snitch for the French authorities. Blackmailing Muslim criminals to inform on prospective terrorists is the principal activity of European counter-terrorism agencies, as I noted in 2015. Every Muslim in Europe knows this.

The terrorists, though, have succeeded in turning the police agents sent to spy on them and forcing them to commit suicide attacks to expiate their sins. This has become depressingly familiar...The way to win the war is to frighten the larger community of Muslims who passively support terror by action or inaction–frighten them so badly that they will inform on family members. Frightening the larger Muslim population in the West does not require a great deal of effort: a few thousand deportations would do. Western intelligence services do not even have to deport the right people; the wrong people know who they are, and so do many of their neighbors. The ensuing conversation is an easy one to have. "I understand that your nephew is due for deportation, Hussein, and I believe you when you tell me that he has done nothing wrong. I might be able to help you. But you have to help me. Give me something I can use–and don't waste my time by making things up, or I swear that I'll deport you, too. If you don't have any information, then find out who does."

This approach to quashing insurgency has worked numerous times in the past...
RTWT, FWIW
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