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Britain
Is Britain Destroying its Military to Appease Enemies?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/27/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, what else is new?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 6:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes. Next question?
Posted by: Nguard || 10/27/2016 6:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Not to mention its social services need the money more. (Do I need to put a /sarc on that?)
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/27/2016 7:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Seems to be a foolish trend in Britain as well as across the pond. Leftistas/globalists at work gnawing away at the underpinnings.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 8:46 Comments || Top||


Economy
Montana Coal Town Fights For Survival [VIDEO]
[Daily Caller] In the small city of Colstrip, a one-time "best sports town" in Montana, the football community has become more about political football than the actual sport.

The 2,300 residents in Southeast Montana face an uphill battle to keep the city alive against an onslaught of legal battles and a major anti-coal crusade launched by outsiders.

"If you look around these coal mines and this coal plant, it’s the lifeblood of the area," Jason Small, the head of the local Boilermakers Union, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. "The only reason there is anything here is the support industry for these big capital projects, other than agriculture."

There is roughly one park for every hundred people in Colstrip, recreation made possible by the high wages and local tax base that came with coal mining. But none of that matters to the environmentalists looking to wean America off coal. In July, an out of court agreement was reached to close two of the four units of Colstrip’s coal-fired power plant by 2022. The Sierra Club and the Montana Environmental Information Center, which sued the plant in 2013, see the closure as a victory.
Con't.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 00:58 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gun and bible toting bittereinder conservatives. These deplorable people need to be re-educated retrained and moved to new coastal or urban jobs. The land and resources belong to everyone.

[sarc off]
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 1:07 Comments || Top||

#2  The unions did the same thing to Raton, New Mexico and its coal mine with ridiculous demands of pay and benefits. Raton is a shell of its former self.

Regulations (mostly environmental) shut down the Anaconda copper mine in Butte Montana. Which is now a mere husk of its former self.

Leftists of every flavor everywhere have already made their peace with the notion that if they can't have everything they want, they will burn down the universe.
Posted by: no mo uro || 10/27/2016 8:16 Comments || Top||

#3  The outsiders work to shut these facilities down because it doesn't effectively impact them in any tangible way that they can see.

They also don't have to live with the immediate or sustained consequences, driving their solar powered cars and whatnot.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/27/2016 9:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Perhaps if Big Coal united for a shutdown midwinter to teach the grid a lesson....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/27/2016 20:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Paula Jones Calls Megyn Kelly A ‘Nasty Heifer' After Contentious Interview With Gingrich [VIDEO]
[Daily Caller] Paula Jones, who settled a sexual harassment lawsuit against former President Bill Clinton for $850,000, said former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich "slammed" Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly during a contentious interview Tuesday.

The interview, which devolved into a shouting match over Kelly referring to Trump as a "sexual predator," struck a nerve with Jones, who sided with Gingrich.

"Woohoo, he slammed this nasty heifer!" Jones said of Gingrich in a tweet she has since deleted but is screen captured below.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 09:05 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I quit watching Megyn Kelly some time back. She struck me as a person who would try to get ahead at any cost. Kelly is an amateur compared to Hillary and it is not a likeable trait.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 10:02 Comments || Top||

#2  I wouldn't call Kelly a nasty heifer but I would say she is MSNBC material.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 10:05 Comments || Top||

#3  She sure seems pretty pleased with herself.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/27/2016 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Quit watching a year ago
Posted by: Frank G || 10/27/2016 10:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Two weeks left and Trump trails in womens votes by double digits. Hey, here's an idea. Get a former Penthouse skank to defend an asshole adulterer that defended your foul mouthed candidate. Brilliant! That ought to close that gender gap in no time.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 10/27/2016 11:13 Comments || Top||

#6  heifer - a young female cow that has not borne a calf.
Posted by: Slens Thrirt9819 || 10/27/2016 13:28 Comments || Top||

#7  One of the clever comebacks in the fourth grade was, "It takes one to know one".
Posted by: Bobby || 10/27/2016 13:45 Comments || Top||


Top US General Pleads With Troops Not To Revolt Over 2016
[Daily Caller] Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford wrote a Medium blog post Monday to remain committed to its military oath amid the 2016 election.

"What we must collectively guard against is allowing our institution to become politicized, or even perceived as being politicized, by how we conduct ourselves during engagements with the media, the public, or in open or social forums," Dunford reminded troops.

Dunford further urged service members that the military must remain committed to the chain of command structure until the next administration comes in, and that the military should not undermine its credibility in the interim with the next president. "I have a duty to protect the integrity and political neutrality of our military profession," he continued.

Dunford’s comments also come amid increased concern that the U.S. military is becoming too politicized. He is reportedly furious with Retired Marine Gen. John Allen and Retired Army Gen. Michael Flynn for actively campaigning on behalf of the Democratic and Republican presidential nominees.

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey openly rebuked Allen and Flynn for injecting themselves into the political process.

"The American people should not wonder where their military leaders draw the line between military advice and political preference," he lamented in a letter to The Washington Post. He continued "our nation’s soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines should not wonder about the political leanings and motivations of their leaders."
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 01:10 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dunford is not speaking to men of the ranks. He is speaking to the colonels and generals.

April 7, 1861 - Colonel Robert E. Lee resigns from the United States army two days after he was offered command of the Union army and three days after his native state, Virginia, seceded from the Union.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 1:18 Comments || Top||

#2  "our nation’s soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines should not wonder about the political leanings and motivations of their leaders."

People pretty much would like to know "what are we fighting this war for?". Especially when it comes to dying or living maimed for life for "the cause".
Posted by: Snavish Trotsky7682 || 10/27/2016 2:07 Comments || Top||

#3  More wars or conflicts are fought over control of real estate, both at the tactical level and strategic levels. The operative word here being 'control.' Ideology and politics play a role, but it would appear to be in many cases, a minor role.

I still love the flag, my mother, apple pie, parades, John Philip Sousa music, and marching bands. Am I conflicted ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 5:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Wait for Katyn forest instead.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 6:24 Comments || Top||

#5  "I was just obeying orders" General?

How many 06+ could pass a closed book test on the Constitution? That paper thingy you all took an oath to.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/27/2016 7:15 Comments || Top||

#6  While Gov. Perry was still in consideration, I told Mrs. Conspiracy that this would be the most fascinating election this country has ever experienced.

Amazing things are now coming from amazing places.

To all who voted for Mr. Obama, thank you for the set-up.

Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy || 10/27/2016 8:36 Comments || Top||

#7  What we must collectively guard against is allowing our institution to become politicized. Obama has already done this. General, you must have come on board after the purge.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 8:51 Comments || Top||

#8  From Duffleblog:
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Less than one week after taking over as the Marine Corps’ top officer, Gen. Joseph ‘Fighting Joe’ Dunford, is proposing controversial changes to Marine culture as the Corps continues to shift focus after more than a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

His first order of business: Eliminate the phrase “Ooh-rah” from Marine lexicon.

Also to be done away with will be similar expressions like Err, Yut, and Rah, which sources say the Commandant considers a mockery of traditional Marine customs and courtesies. Finally, the term YAT-YAS will not only be forbidden but stricken from any historical records as Dunford feels it may be the most inane battle cry in the history of warfare.

Insiders claim the order stems from a physical altercation which took place immediately following his remarks at the change of command ceremony on Friday, which left a number of Marines with injuries ranging from eye gouges to one severe hematoma of the taint.

Witnesses to the incident say the new Commandant was being congratulated by various well wishers when he reportedly smacked a Master Gunnery Sgt. after he was addressed with “Ooh-rah sir.”

“Shut your filthy sewer, pogue,” growled the general as he struck the senior SNCO in the mouth with an open hand. “That expression is a weak affectation and I won’t stand for it.”

The commandant then turned and kicked the Color Sergeant of the Marine Corps in the groin. Marine officials claim Dunford was enraged that one member of the color guard fell out during the ceremony. A number of aides were also assaulted when they attempted to physically restrain the general and remove him from the scene.

“That’s what happens when we appoint an air winger as Commandant,” Dunford said, as he was finally escorted from the parade deck. “I will not allow this pernicious weakness to further infect my Corps.”

An All-Marine administrative message (ALMAR) is expected to be released this week officially banning “Ooh-rah” and making its utterance punishable under articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/10/general-dunford-oohrah-ban/#ixzz4OI1BF1Id
Posted by: jvalentour || 10/27/2016 8:54 Comments || Top||

#9  Funny how none of this seemed to be an issue in 2008, or 2012...
Posted by: Pappy || 10/27/2016 9:14 Comments || Top||

#10  Other than Duffleblog being a satire site, it still rings eerily believable.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/27/2016 9:19 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm not ex-military, so I may be missing something. But you can't speak up even after you're retired?

Did anyone tell General Eisenhower? Lieutenant (j.g) Bush? Navy Lieutenant Carter? U.S. Grant, maybe? Or maybe I do get the point?
Posted by: Bobby || 10/27/2016 9:36 Comments || Top||

#12  Do they have an opinion on Colin Powell?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/27/2016 10:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Or these:

William J. Crowe, Jr.
Wesley Clark
Paul Eaton
Donald J. Guter
Michael D. Lumpkin
John B. Nathman

Probably could toss in a couple of other names as well.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/27/2016 11:50 Comments || Top||

#14  Gen Dunford falls in line as one of the most political General officers in this generation. For him to dictate this to the retired is an attempt to segregate a class of people already somewhat isolated, US military members, as insignificant and not worthy of taking place in our democracy. His whole context supports the Dems, Obama and Hillary anyway, belief that the military are nothing more than servants to their cause, not defenders of the constitution.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 10/27/2016 13:17 Comments || Top||

#15  Re #11: Bobby, as far as I know, retired military members are free to speak their minds on political issues. They should not do so in uniform, or make it appear that they are speaking for their service.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/27/2016 13:45 Comments || Top||

#16  I get in enough trouble speaking as a civvie; don't need to be in uniform to make that happen.

Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/27/2016 14:39 Comments || Top||

#17  As I recall, the oath is to protect and defend the Constitution.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/27/2016 20:06 Comments || Top||

#18  "Written by old white men a long time ago."
Posted by: Frank G || 10/27/2016 21:55 Comments || Top||


History Professor Warns America: 2016 Election Could Prompt Civil War [VIDEO]
[Daily Caller] A professor who specializes in the Civil War appeared on a special edition of "The Jim Bakker Show" last week to warn America that the 2016 presidential election could lead to another secessionist melee.

"I’m a civil war historian," the Montreat College professor, William Forstchen, explained by way of introduction.

The U.S. election of 1860 "is the closest I can parallel this to," Forstchen said.

"And we all know what the price was," the professor then said. "When we went to a civil war, they killed 660,000 young men because we became so divided."
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/27/2016 00:47 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, maybe Hillary & Co should try to make their voting fraud less egregious?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 6:27 Comments || Top||

#2  It may be a feature, not a bug. The slavers Inner Party is intent on making everyone a 'subject' rather than a citizen. BTW, only they don't understand, that is exactly what the 2d Amendment was about.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/27/2016 7:11 Comments || Top||

#3  No matter who wins this upcoming election.it seems to be assured that the margin is going to be very close, to marginal.

Unless there is some ( miraculous ) landslide for either one or the other candidate, the other side is going to squeal "FOUL".

....and the result will be a continued and perhaps endemic sense of " lack of Legitimacy" for at least half of the population of the country.

The military IS politicized whether we like it or not. The mere fact that some military leadership are saying "steady, steady"...confirms the feeling of the common military leadership. They are only human and they are the true patriots ( men who have laid their lives at the disposal of their country and will offer up everything for the nation ).
They also take an Oath to the Constitution. It may become obvious that that Oath may be in question to some corrupt politicians.
The Military may be the fallback to an Election's veracity. Hard Choices may be necessary. The American people are not being asked by the present administration about immigration. They are lied to and forced to comply in a multitude of ways. They are out of work. Their dreams are stifled. And that populace is well armed.
The govt. IS actually afraid of the American population....and the military at some point may decide to not fire on the people...as in the Hungarian revolt.

All it takes is a single spark.

Or shall we be docile and accept that Black Lives Matter more than ALL lives matter ? And that America IS threatened by Elites and crooks. How long do you look away? At what point does neutrality become complicity.

They left you to die in Benghazi. And then spit on you.
Posted by: Victor Emmanuel Slimp9732 || 10/27/2016 7:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Appears there is already one going on professor.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 8:48 Comments || Top||

#5  "A riot is an ugly ting...and I tink it's about time we had vun"

- Young Frankenstein
Posted by: Warthog || 10/27/2016 10:17 Comments || Top||

#6  We said VES. The chances of the US Military firing on civilians is low. They know our fight is not with them, we are both fighting for the constitution. I will find it difficult for commanders and senior NCO's to be willing to fight civilians, who would most likely be ex military. Ya, I assume now that I'm thinking on that line, which I hate to BTW, there might be an initial fight or event before cooler heads in DOD take control. This entire discussion is both disturbing and frightening.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 10/27/2016 13:08 Comments || Top||

#7  49 Pan, Google us troops firing on civilians. There have been several incidents in US history, from the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 to the eviction of the Bonus Army in 1932. I don't count the Kent State shootings in 1970.

The issues and sides are not as clear cut as they were in places like Hungary where the troops joined the protestors.

Enlisted troops are trained to follow orders, as they should be. If the lieutenant says "Fire!", they fire. The question is whether the lieutenant would give the order.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/27/2016 13:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Why don't you count the shootings at Kent State?

Hell they were as American as you and me, they got offed by by morons.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/27/2016 16:40 Comments || Top||

#9  Odds & ends about Kent State 1970:
It also turned out that the FBI had its own informant and agent-provocateur roaming the crowd, a part-time Kent State student named Terry Norman, who had a camera. Mr. Norman also was armed with a snub-nosed revolver that FBI ballistics tests, first declassified in 1977, concluded had indeed been discharged on that day.

Then there was the testimony of an ROTC cadet whose identity remains unknown, one of the pervasive redactions concealing the names of all the FBI agents who conducted the interviews and of all those whom they interrogated. Although presumably angry over the demonstrators’ destruction of the campus ROTC building, the cadet’s calm, precise firsthand account nonetheless carries a credibility not easily dismissed.

Before the fatal volley, the ROTC cadet told the FBI, he “heard one round, a pause, two rounds, and then the M-1s opened up.”

The report continued that the cadet “stated that the first three rounds were definitely not M-1s. He said they could possibly have been a .45 caliber. … [He] further stated that he heard confirmed reports of sniper fire coming in over both the National Guard radio and the state police radio.”

The cadet also told the FBI he observed demonstrators carrying baseball bats, golf clubs and improvised weapons, including pieces of steel wire cut into footlong sections, along with radios and other electronic devices “used to monitor the police and Guard wavelengths.”

Separately, a female student told the FBI she “recalled hearing what she thought was [the sound of] firecrackers and then a few seconds later [she] heard noise that to her sounded like a machine gun going off, but then later thought it may have been a volley of shots from the Guard.”

Absent the declassification of the FBI’s entire investigative file, many questions remain unanswered — including why the documents quoted here were overlooked, or discounted, in the Justice Department’s official findings.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 10/27/2016 22:08 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Why the Middle East knows not to trust the United States
By David Ignatius

Surprisingly thoughtful op-ed piece from WaPo about how the U.S. recruits local proxies to fight wars and insurrections, and then dumps them -- sometimes before the fight is over.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/27/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ... Kurdish militia group known as the YPG, which has been the United States’ best ally against the Islamic State, gets pounded by the Turkish military. ... “If it doesn’t stop, it could preempt all plans for Raqqa,” warns a Pentagon official

Nothing like having your priorities right.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 3:27 Comments || Top||

#2  White House reaction to recent Turkish anti-West and anti-Kurd agendas has been unfortunately muted. Could it be that the administration's affinity for the Muslim Brotherhood has influenced its response to moves made by Muslim Brother Tayyip Erdowan?
Posted by: Craique the Kid6652 || 10/27/2016 8:09 Comments || Top||

#3  This pattern of “seduction and abandonment” is one of our least endearing characteristics. It’s one reason the United States is mistrusted in the Middle East.

Middle east? Like Ohio? If so, I missed the seduction part and only have this feeling of abandonment.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 8:10 Comments || Top||

#4  U.S. recruits local proxies to fight wars and insurrections, and then dumps them -- sometimes before the fight is over

The Montagnards were curiously unavailable for comment.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/27/2016 13:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps Duterte has learned the same lesson.
Posted by: The peanut gallery || 10/27/2016 13:49 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
What IDF should learn from battle for Mosul
[Ynet] Analysis: The ISIS military modus operandi in Iraq, which consists of offensive tunnels, snipers and special forces designed to take over communities and hinder coalition aerial bombardments, will likely be emulated by Hezbollah and Hamas during their next conflict with Israel.

The battle for djinn-infested Mosul
... the home of a particularly ferocious and hairy djinn...
has just begun, but it is already possible to discern that the Islamic State
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Posted by: trailing wife || 10/27/2016 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The ISIS military modus operandi in Iraq, which consists of offensive tunnels, snipers and special forces designed to take over communities and hinder coalition aerial bombardments, will likely be emulated by Hezbollah and Hamas during their next conflict with Israel.

This staff was invented by Hizbollah & Hamas. "Palestine" has been a lab where Muslims try out staff before carrying it out on a larger scale since 1921.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 1:42 Comments || Top||

#2  They depend on the humanity of their enemies in the plight of human shields. Remove that and they're just as dead. Wars are meant to be ugly and should be fought to win. Decisively
Posted by: Frank G || 10/27/2016 11:03 Comments || Top||

#3  hilary helped create this mess

but so did we all - by not insisting and demanding our rulers stop their alliance with ANY Islamist theocrats

sometimes the most effective policy is also the morally corect one

we should have ditched Saudi and when Erdogan turned Islamist, kicked Turkey out of NATO

Obama should have given no money to Iran

Islamists are NOT our allies whatever their sect so we should have STOPPED pandering to them, censoring our news, letting Saudi pay our politicians and fund Islamist propaganda at our universities, schools, starting mosques and think tanks all round the Western world unhindered

our rulers opened the door to this and we let them

when the saudi king died, flags in britain flew at half staff!


unbelievable

the only reason we have a Caliphate now is because thousands of Islamists travelled to fight and gave money - from OUR OWN COUNTRIES
Posted by: anon1 || 10/27/2016 13:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Islamic State will beat us (unless Trump gets in) and i will tell you why

in my country it is now illegal for me to make fun of Mohammad with a satirical cartoon if it offends a Muslim

i can be dragged through the courts

you are not able to criticise Islamist theocratic fascism or you will be called "racist Islamophobe" and ostracised, maybe lose your job and friends


now what environment does this create?

a safe space for Islamists to base themselves, lobby for more friendly policies and send fighters and $ to the Caliphate

and saudi money keeps pouring in to the universities here, the schools etc

and this will continue until we STOP IT

and when will that be? when we either get a leader who isn't bought (Trump) or we have significant civil unrest
Posted by: anon1 || 10/27/2016 13:28 Comments || Top||

#5  sorry TW that last accidentally posted twice
Posted by: anon1 || 10/27/2016 13:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Extra now deleted, dear anon1.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/27/2016 14:30 Comments || Top||

#7  This staff was invented by Hizbollah & Hamas

Perhaps. The North Vietnamese used a variant of the strategy. The Russians Soviets also used variants of this 'stuff'. The (Russian Soviet-trained) Baathist Iraqis, the Chechens, et cetera, been refining it.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/27/2016 17:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Next you be talking about Roman sudes, Pater.
The point is, nothing in Mosul would be a surprise for you, if you'd bothered to pay attention to Tzuk Eytan.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 17:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Tzuk Eytan, which we here at Rantburg call Operation Protective Edge.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/27/2016 20:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Nothing in Mosul is a surprise to me. Comes from studying War for 40+ years.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/27/2016 22:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Spengler: Americans Are Not a 'Folk' and Bob Dylan Is Not Our Poet
Phony identities are a commonplace in cultural history. In musical history, the most remarkable example remains so-called Gregorian chant, as "rediscovered" through "source-critical" research by the Benedictine monks of Solesmes in the early 19th century. Reeling from the French Revolution which had nearly annihilated their order, the Benedictines sought an authentic medieval Catholic culture, the musical expression of a mythical Age of Faith, and thought they founded it by reconstructing an Ur-chant from the welter of different styles that infested ecclesiastical practice. It was all a scam, a hoax, a goof, as later scholars were to demonstrate, for example Katherine Bergeron in her 1998 study Decadent Enchantments, which I discussed here. Gregorian chant in the Solesmes theme-park version has such a strong association with Catholic worship, though, that many Catholics refuse to believe that they were scammed.

And so it is with Bob Dylan, parodist, satirist, scammer and snake-oil salesman par excellence. He never hid from us what he had in mind: he's been playing with our heads since high school, finding the lever that loosened our tears, and our wallets. He caught a wave in the early 1960s with the folk revival movement, itself a hoax. We Americans are not a "folk," not in the sense that Johann Gottfried Herder used the term. We do not have the deep memory of autochthonous roots that characterizes European cultures, the hand-me-downs of long-lost pagan experience. We are a people self-created by religious and political impulse. We have a distinct culture, but it is a self-created culture, a riff on Pilgrim's Progress that became Poor Wayfaring Strangers, pilgrims pursuing freedom on a raft down the Mississippi, avenging Western gunmen, hard-boiled private eyes, and--yes--a young man in work shirt and jeans carrying a guitar. I tried to define what uniquely formed American culture earlier this year in a lecture at the Heritage Foundation, published by Tablet magazine here.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/27/2016 06:36 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Posted by: 3dc || 10/27/2016 9:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Well after all, Dylan is from Minnesota.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 9:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Above average?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/27/2016 11:01 Comments || Top||

#4  But there are Folk in the U.S. and James Webb knows who one tribe is.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/27/2016 11:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, Robert Zimmerman is an American name.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/27/2016 18:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Dylan's Nobel, like Obie's and Gore's, are an illumination of how much Scandinavians understand America.
Posted by: ed in texas || 10/27/2016 20:02 Comments || Top||

#7  I think he's wrong on Gregorian chant. While the Solesmes version is indeed a matter of debate, Gregorian chants are not a hoax.
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/27/2016 23:05 Comments || Top||



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