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Britain
Pommie Deep State Surrenders to Brussels - Brexit Essentially Means Nothing
The United Kingdom will agree to follow all European Union rules after Brexit and keep the nation’s borders open for the duration of the transition period to 2022, with further bad news for fisheries and communities in Northern Ireland as a new agreement was reached in Brussels Monday.

The European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier made the announcement in a joint press conference with Britain’s David Davis in Brussels, where the pair presented what was introduced as a "legal text which constitutes a decisive step" towards a final agreement. Revealing the enormous extent to which Theresa May’s government has sold out the Brexit-voting British public, Barnier and Davis spoke on a number of key policy areas including immigration, British control over British laws, and regaining control over British fishing waters.

Speaking first at the meeting with journalists, French politician Barnier said Britain had agreed to continue following all Brussels laws for years after the offical Brexit date of March 2019 under the guise of a transition period, but would not be able to challenge or make decisions on that law itself.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/19/2018 14:47 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The will of the forgotten man and voter ignored. Englsh subtitles not required, we've already seen the movie.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/19/2018 14:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Until 2022. And then, quietly extended....
Posted by: Iblis || 03/19/2018 16:56 Comments || Top||

#3  The Saxon is probably angry right about now.

Ignore democracy and you might find out its for the benefit of politicians...
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 03/19/2018 20:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
This trap was set well before Trump won
[Wash Times] So this is the new standard for electing a president here in America, the greatest living experiment in self-governance.

A man can run the gauntlet against more than 20 professional politicians and come out victorious.

He can win more than 40 Republican primary contests and beat every professional political campaigner out there, earning the votes of more than 14 million Republicans.

He can then turn his attention to beating the most powerful, entrenched political machine America has seen in nearly a half-century. (That corrupt machine had just pulled off its most devious and dishonest scam ever ‐ rigging a presidential primary to snatch the party’s preferred Socialist candidate away from Democrat voters.)

In the end, President Trump won the presidency fair and square, earning the votes of more than 60 million Americans and ‐ crucially ‐ winning the 30 states he needed to take the White House.

These are the long-agreed-upon standards for winning the White House. This is how self-governance works.
Continues
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/19/2018 07:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like a showdown between the people who elected Trump and the Deep State who expected Shrillary.
Posted by: JohnQC || 03/19/2018 7:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Hamilton and Jefferson didn't believe the common man should run his own life, but it was probably Wilson and Delano Roosevelt who got us to where we are now, deep state wise.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/19/2018 7:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Since what the Deep state is doing is effectively treason perhaps some Congressmen should make that absolutely clear that anyone that continues cover ups and delays may find the harshest laws in the nation applied to their case.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 03/19/2018 14:36 Comments || Top||


Iraq
We Asked Gen. Petraeus Whether the Iraq War Was Really Worth It
[MIL.com] This article by Jeff Schogol originally appeared on Task & Purpose, a digital news and culture publication dedicated to military and veterans issues.

Fifteen years of war have turned Iraqi cities such as Ramadi, Fallujah, and Mosul into ruins. Iraq remains as divided as ever along sectarian lines, despite the deaths of more than 4,500 U.S. troops and untold numbers of Iraqis.

U.S. troops remain in Iraq to help advise and assist Iraqi forces as they try to prevent ISIS from launching yet another insurgency. Meanwhile, Iran has flooded the country with thousands of proxy fighters, giving it a large say in what the government of Iraq does post-ISIS.

This wasn’t the Iraq that was supposed to emerge when U.S. troops crossed the berm from Kuwait to Iraq in March 2003. Nor is this the Iraq that troops who trounced al Qaeda during the surge bled for. There are few tangible signs of success, and Iraq’s future is still unclear.

Seeing all this chaos prompts many Iraq veterans to wonder: Was what they fought for worth the sacrifices they made?

We posed that question to the Iraq War’s most influential figure, retired Army Gen. David Petraeus, who led U.S. forces in Iraq during the 2007-2008 surge in an attempt to stop a Sunni-Shiite civil war.

"I think everybody who was in Iraq, who served there, who knows the sacrifice it entails, who knows the cost in blood and in treasure... has been frustrated to see how the country slid back after we left in late 2011," Petraeus said in an exclusive interview. "But at the end of the day, I think we also have a degree of quiet pride that when our country needed us, we answered the call."

The "truly remarkable Americans" who joined the military after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks knew that their country would send them to war, said Petraeus, who added that it was an incredible privilege for him to lead U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/19/2018 15:17 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  'Sorry - Saddam was no threat to US vital interests. There were "no-fly zones" in place over both northern and southern Iraq. "Liberating" Iraq was not worth the life of even one Private E2. The only thing more stupid than going back into Iraq was the insane decision to invade Afghanistan. Both operations were (and remain) total debacles.
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 03/19/2018 19:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Certainly not a big fan of General Powell, but does anyone remember his 'pottery house rules' quote regarding Iraq ?

"You break it, you buy it."
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/19/2018 20:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Umm, Mr L. R, do you remember Saddams minions shooting missiles at our planes in the "No Fly Zones"? No? Why not?
Posted by: Mugsy Glink || 03/19/2018 21:07 Comments || Top||

#4  The real question is where would Iraq be now if the US hadn't pulled out under Obama because things looked so quiet....

If one judged the Vietnam war prior to the US Congress betraying the Vietnamese people it looks very much like a hard fought and costly victory.

Generals need to factor in Democrat instincts to cut and run when they make war plans. Sure we can win, but if we are there too long the victory will inevitably be pissed away and all sacrifice wasted.
Posted by: ruprecht || 03/19/2018 22:08 Comments || Top||

#5  The real question is where would Iraq be now if the US hadn't pulled out under Obama because things looked so quiet....

There is the question. We had to sit on the Japanese for about a decade, but they integrated into the modern world.

Given Saddam and his hell-spawn children, I'm willing to argue the invasion was worth it if all we did was kill them sumbitches and leave the next day. The world is a better place without 'em.

The Iraqis deserved a chance to join the modern world. The fact that they fokked it up is on them as much as us.
(and before you ask, I admit the odds of overcoming their tribal culture were low)
Posted by: SteveS || 03/19/2018 22:34 Comments || Top||

#6  The entire country will pay forever for Boosh's stupidity. Very good chance we never got obutthole without all the Iraq blowback. Who knows how much lower the national debt might be today.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/19/2018 22:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Hindsight is 20:20. After 9/11 we simply had no surety of knowledge he did or did not have WMD.
Let me repeat that for morons like M.Murcek:

WE DID NOT KNOW FOR SURE AND COULD NOT RISK THE CHANCE THAT SADDAM HAD WMD AND WOULD GIVE THEM TO TERRORISTS

The difference between your blind hindsight and the reality of back then, is that we had just been shown that we could and would be attacked.

So we as a nation were not willing to trust Saddam to not hit us or give weapons to others who would hit us, and the cost, based on what we knew from before, was considered to be too high to let him sit, compared to the estimated cost of taking out the Baathists. Also we had not planned on being backstabbed by Erdogan and the Turks, which allowed the North to fester.

And do not forget, the surge DID pacify Iraq. What screwed it up is that the US walked away right when what was needed was to establish a long-term stabilization force. Thats thanks to the gutless wonders in State Dept, and then that asshole Obama throwing away all the gains we had, in order to hand Iraq over to the Shia and their Iraqi masters.

ALL OF YOU need to stop with the revisionist history of "was it worth it". It was - but people like Brennan and Panetta threw it away. Let me repeat it: THEY TRHEW AWAY THE FRUTIS OF VICTORY. Had we established a permanent basing capability there to support the Iraqi military against AQI and later ISIS, things would not be seen as a waste. It would also have been a counterweight against the militias and the corrup[tocrats that State put in there to head the Iraqi govt.

It was worth it - but the US State Department and Obama threw it all away, to the cheerleading of the press and the Islamic radicals.

There are many of us here who lived thru this and know the truth. And we will not let these crappy revisionist try to rewrite things.
Posted by: Injun Bucket8891 || 03/19/2018 23:23 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
What does Turkey’s seizure of Afrin mean for Syria war?
[IsraelTimes] Ankara may move refugee populations back over border after taking control of Kurdish area, enlarging its territory

The capture of Afrin from the Kurds by Ottoman Turkish-led fighters on Sunday could have major repercussions for Syria’s protracted war.

Here we look at what it means for The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
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Posted by: trailing wife || 03/19/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Sublime Porte



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Two weeks of WOT
Mon 2018-03-19
  Turkey's Erdogan says Afrin city centre under 'total' control
Sun 2018-03-18
  KP government seals offices of Hafiz Saeed's JuD, FIF; seizes mosques, seminaries
Sat 2018-03-17
  Greek court rejects Turkey’s request for extradition of eight soldiers
Fri 2018-03-16
  German prosecutors indict Syrian migrant over alleged bomb plot
Thu 2018-03-15
  Anbar antics: 7 turbans permanently unwound, tribal types get frisky
Wed 2018-03-14
  Al-Qaeda operative born in Texas sentenced to 45 years for conspiring to murder Americans, supporting terrorism
Tue 2018-03-13
  Trump fires Rex Tillerson as secretary of state and replaces him with CIA boss Mike Pompeo
Mon 2018-03-12
  Syrian Army surrounds Jaysh Al-Islam stronghold in East Ghouta
Sun 2018-03-11
  First group of militants surrender arms & leave East Ghouta after Russia-brokered talks
Sat 2018-03-10
   Tuareg militias again clash with Islamic State-loyal militants in northern Mali
Fri 2018-03-09
  Mullah Fazlullah's kid killed in drone strike in Afghanistan
Thu 2018-03-08
  Accomplice of Paris attacks mastermind held in Poland
Wed 2018-03-07
  Kirkuk Klean up: 33 turbans permanently unwound
Tue 2018-03-06
  Paramilitary troops repulsed Islamic State suicide attack, north of Babel
Mon 2018-03-05
  20 Islamic State militants killed in clashes with Iraqi forces in Hawija
Sun 2018-03-04
  Teacher found guilty of grooming children to launch terror attacks in London


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