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-Short Attention Span Theater-
French Woman marries dead boyfriend
HT to Drudge.EFL It’s getting late and we’ve toyed with the trolls long enough. Check this out and no puns please.

A 35-year-old Frenchwoman became both bride and widow when she married her dead boyfriend, in an exchange of vows that required authorisation from the French president.

The ceremony was performed at Nice City Hall on the French Riviera. The deceased groom, a former policeman identified as Eric, was not present at the ceremony. He was killed by a drunk driver in September 2002.

According to French law, a marriage between a living person and a dead person can take place as long as preliminary civic formalities have been completed that show the couple had planned to marry. Before the ceremony can take place, it must be approved by the French president.

Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 10:01:16 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Farmer ’feeds troublesome worker to lion’
Police have arrested a Limpopo game farmer and three alleged accomplices after they allegedly fed a "troublesome" worker to lions.
You’ve all thought about doing it, haven’t you?
The unnamed men were arrested on Monday at the Engedi game farm near Hoedspruit after recovering 38-year-old Nelson Shisane’s skull, part of his legs and bloodied clothing from the scene.
Ewuuuuuuuuuu!
"Witnesses say the farmer first severely beat Shisane, before tying him up, driving him 15km to the (Mokwalo White Lion Project) game farm and throwing him over a fence into a lion enclosure," said police Superintendent Ronel Otto. "The farmer and three workers then allegedly watched as a lion mauled him, before it dragged him into the bush."
"OK, show’s over. Back to work, guys."
Local labourers and neighbours report that Shisane was recently dismissed from the farm after a dispute with its owner, who may not be named until he appears in the Hoedspruit magistrate’s court on murder charges.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 10:20:21 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I would hate to have to follow the lion around with a shovel trying to recover teh rest of the evidence.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  How "troublesome" was he, Johnny???
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#3  All he had to do was bend over
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Late for work again! Feed him to the lions. That is one tough boss.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Feed 'em to the Lions... Rantburg... whatever it's a troll's death.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#6  "Nelson, you idiot, you aren't tying the barbed-wire right."

"Oh yeah? Well BITE me!"
Posted by: Jackal || 02/10/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||


Cuffed escapee tries to buy bolt cutter at Wal-Mart
MAGNOLIA, Ark. - James Cotton looked just like any other Wal-Mart customer buying a bolt cutter at 4:30 in the morning - until the cashier noticed that Cotton was wearing handcuffs. According to police, the clerk took Cotton’s money, gave him the bolt cutter, then called officers. Cotton was caught minutes later Saturday, after he had gone into the bathroom and cut off the handcuffs. Cotton had been arrested the night before by the Haynesville, La., police on charges of battery and possession of a narcotic, but he kicked out a window in a police car and fled, authorities said.
Posted by: Mike || 02/10/2004 10:02:57 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Save the receipt and maybe you can return them for a refund in, oh, 2 years or so!
Posted by: Dar || 02/10/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#2  ...just like any other Wal-Mart customer buying a bolt cutter at 4:30 in the morning...

We get a million of 'em...
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Dummy, you don't buy just the bolt cutters; pick out some drapes in housewares or something. Better yet, think like a criminal and dodge behind the car battery endcap and use the cutters for free.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#4  You see this is how Walmart is ruining the quaint center cities of hundreds of small towns like Magnolia. Without Walmart, the prisoner would have been likely to have a more urban-centric experience at a boutique specialty shoppee in downtown Magnolia, perhaps, "Everything Bolt Cutter" and then relaxed with some homemade tea while perusing the scented candles at neighboring stores ( I sometimes have meetings with environmentalists and PC govt people )
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#5  MHW, that's not even counting the old institution of a deputy with sunglasses chasing the perpetrator through the woods until he uses a stream bed to hide his scent. Now they just wait for Walmart or Target to call him in for shoplifting.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#6  Shoplifting, SH? The story says that he was paying for the item.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 02/10/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#7  I know, Eric, that's another sign of the downfall of our society. Perpetrators paying for merchandice. He must have been brainwashed by the perky ads where sisters go to Wal-Mart and find everything they need. I think the Yellow Smiley Face is Big Brother. What a damn shame.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||

#8  . . . just like any other Wal-Mart customer buying a bolt cutter at 4:30 in the morning

Say what?

"My girlfriend an' me had a fight."
Posted by: Mike || 02/10/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#9  LOL Mike! It took me till now to figure it out.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#10  Okay, this guy is a moron. He could have used the bolt cutters without buing them.

Friend had a bachelor party and we created a bowling ball with chain that attached to his leg and forced him to wear it all night. When it was time for the guy who cooked up the gag to get married the original victim went to Osh and used the bolt cutters to remove the lock so the contrapition could be used again. We didn't buy the freaking bolt cutters, not for one snip. One person noticed and they were laughing. If we'd wanted to cut the lock off in secret that would have been easy enough as well. Moron.
Posted by: ruprecht || 02/10/2004 23:03 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Bahrain MP proposes motion to segregate sexes in university
An Islamist member of the Bahraini Parliament said yesterday he has proposed a motion to segregate the sexes in the class rooms of the kingdom’s national university. The proposal aims to "allow women to continue their high education without any harassment," MP Jassim Al Saidi told Gulf News. The Bahraini Parliament, elected in October 2002, is dominated by Islamists who control up to 22 of the house 40 seats. Bahrain is considered one of the most open and multicultural societies in the Middle East where most people lead a Western life style. But the constitution states Bahrain is a Muslim country, Al Saidi argued. "And according to the Islamic Sharia, men and women sexes must not mingle in public places," he said. He claimed the desegregation of the sexes at the university denied "thousands of women" the chance to progress.

"This bill doesn’t make any sense," commented Dr Anissa Fakhro, an education expert and social commentator. "It seems that these people have yet to realise that we are living in the 21st century," she added. Anissa’s latest book is called The Psychological and Social Tendencies of the Bahraini Youth. In the book, she argues that mixing the sexes in at schools "helps create a more tolerant and less violent generation." "Based on the interviews I had with hundreds of students from both segregated and desegregated schools, those who have been studying since elementary level at mixed schools tend to have less psychological and social tensions. They look at the members of the other sex as equals," she explained.
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 3:40:48 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  um Have they discussed this with the students ? I think a new line of thought maybe a buzzword might help ISLAM based countries , how about "Allah approves of sex"
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Of course they don't know nothing about no stinkin 21st century. Thaey never made it past the 10th.
Posted by: Michael || 02/10/2004 18:54 Comments || Top||

#3  "This bill doesn’t make any sense," commented Dr Anissa Fakhro, an education expert and social commentator. "It seems that these people have yet to realise that we are living in the 21st century," she added
And there you have it.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Mr. Mahmood commented on this proposal back in January (or he commented on a similar issue, I can't remember...slept since then..).

Mahmood's Den is an excellent blog if you want to keep up with what's happening in Bahrain. (In fact, I found it via Rantburg, so if you haven't taken a look, go look now...we'll wait.)
Posted by: Quana || 02/10/2004 22:35 Comments || Top||


Pirate Watch 2004 Continues
Saudi and Bahraini fishermen are disturbed over an incident on Friday in which pirates threw five Indian fishermen into the sea and seized their dhow.
"Yar! We be Arabian Pirates!"
They have called upon the GCC Coast Guard to be more vigilant in the Gulf and protect GCC fishermen. Waheed Al-Dossary, a spokesman for the Bahraini Fishermen’s Association, said that GCC countries should jointly patrol the Gulf in order to protect fishermen.
Don’t want to get those pretty patrol boats dirty. Besides, there’s a good chance the pirates might win.
Local fishermen say that the Gulf has been comparatively safe until recently. Ali Al-Marzouk, owner of five dhows, says that police patrols in the Gulf had grown lax because there were so few problems.
Or because they don’t want to find anything.
Saudi authorities are in contact with their Bahraini counterparts regarding the repatriation of the five Indian fishermen who were rescued. According to hospital sources, four of the fishermen have been discharged while the fifth is still listed as in critical but stable condition. The sources said that the fishermen were sleeping in the dhow when unidentified men with machine guns boarded the dhow. The men threw the fishermen into the sea and took the dhow.
Anyone interested in what the gunnies wanted the dhow for? Didn’t think so, that’s why there arn’t any patrols.
A Saudi dhow in the area rescued the fishermen. The owner of the dhow, Ahmad Yaqoub, believes the pirates were Iranians.
Iranian drug smuggling pirates, perhaps?
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 2:38:06 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Allah has given them direction to run rampant all over the world. Kill, maim, pilfer plunder rape......The USA made us do it.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Indian fishermen from SA, you would think that the would be required to have 5 Saudis aboard to lounge around and watch the fishermen. That's why there is so much unemployemnt in the kingdom; they are missing out on perfectly good opportunities to watch others work.... Oh, they just slept in too late to catch the launch. That's OK then. I was pretty offended there for a second.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 16:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Anyone interested in what the gunnies wanted the dhow for? Didn’t think so, that’s why there arn’t any patrols

Because even with the markings changed, it will still look like a local vessel. Makes it easier if they'e running stuff or if they're doing intel (we came across several dhows with 'fishermen' in them during Earnest Will. Something about the cammie-trousers under their robes).

....Iranian drug smuggling pirates, perhaps?

Lots of stuff gets smuggled aross the waters: pistachios, rugs, appliances, pirated software and music, weapons...
Posted by: Pappy || 02/10/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||


Yemen’s renowned Silversmiths wonder, "where are all the tourists?"
EFL
Silver was traditionally a source of power for Yemenis, especially women who regarded it as insurance against calamity. In a society where women have always dressed modestly, silver jewelry was a way to attract male attention. Men gave their wives silver dowries and a woman’s worth was indicated by the amount of silver she possessed. The decline of Yemen’s silver market began in the last century with the exodus of the country’s Jewish artisans who accounted for 80 percent of the silversmiths. About 3,000 Jews left to settle in Israel in the 1950s, depriving Yemen of one of its most renowned traditions. Modern silversmiths such as Ahmed Lotf, who works at Sanaa’s famous Ghamdan Palace, bemoan their departure, saying their fine filigree work was far superior to their modern Muslim counterparts. "The Jews were the best and their work fetches a lot of money. Today’s artisans are not as interested as they hardly get enough money for their work," he said.

Most of the wares now on display in Sanaa’s market come from tribesmen who sell the family silver to make ends meet. Others are modern replicas lacking the finesse of ancient handicrafts. "Many silversmiths have moved into clothing retail because it makes more money. If only we had more buyers, then the industry would boom again," said Ibrahim Aslaan, who runs the family store in Sanaa. Yemen’s top tourism official agrees. "All of Yemen’s artisans are suffering due to the slump in tourism," said Mutahar Taqi, chairman of the General Authority for Tourism Development. "We can only hope that things start to look up so we can keep our heritage and culture alive."
In counterpoint, Rooters provides: India’s Middle Class Splurges and Economy Sizzles

There’s a pattern to this whole prosperity deal that is eluding me. I just don’t get it.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 1:45:03 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Again, it's the Jew's fault.
Posted by: Daniel King || 02/10/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Today’s artisans are not as interested as they hardly get enough money for their work

If only we had more buyers, then the industry would boom again


This indicates progress. They recognize the cause and the effect, just a little confused about which is which.
Posted by: VAMark || 02/10/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#3  VAMark, I agree, but the market economics still ellude them. They don't understand why there are no customers for lousy merchandice, as more buying of poor quality, over-priced items would help their lagging economy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#4  The free market. I love it. One day, perhaps even in this century Islam will take a real good look at what and who they are. Eventually the poverty which is a trademark of Islamic policies will sink in somewhere sometime. Don't expect it soon until they set off the big one.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Ya.. know the one of the largest markets for silver is shrinking quickly. Silver nitrates for photo paper and film is rapidly becoming a niche market.... That said I have a design for the silver Reagan dime....
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 17:55 Comments || Top||

#6  I sympathize -- they admitted that Jews were their superior in anything ...
Posted by: Lu Baihu || 02/10/2004 19:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Yemen needs tourists? Oh, good. I've been looking for a place to go since my Haitian vacation plans fell through...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#8  tu - Algeria and Chechnya are both beautiful in teh spring....keep your head on
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||


Saudi to hold talks with Yemen over security wall
Saudi and Yemeni border authorities are to hold emergency talks in a bid to defuse tension over a so-called “security wall” being erected by the kingdom on the Yemeni frontier, the Saudi-owned Asharq Al-Awsat daily said yesterday. Saudi authorities have refused to call the barrier along a 42km portion of the border with Yemen a “security wall” opting instead for the term “cement-filled pipeline,” the London-based newspaper said.
Really. We don't make this stuff up...
“The cement-filled pipeline being built inside our territories is aimed at curbing infiltration and smuggling,” Lieutenant General Talal Aankawi, chief of the Saudi border patrol, was quoted as saying by the paper. Yemeni authorities claim that the barrier is being built in a common grazing area that had been agreed in a June 2000 deal that ended a decades-long territorial dispute between the two countries. Saudi Arabia frequently announces arrests and arms seizures along the 1,800-kilometer (more than 1,100-mile) border with Yemen, with authorities saying at the end of December that they arrested 4,047 “infiltrators” and seized weapons and ammunition in Najran province.
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 8:40:11 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So all Israel had to do was call their wall a 'Cement-filled pipeline'? And where is the UN on this anyway?
Posted by: kwame || 02/10/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  I like to call it the "apartheid wall", just to piss everybody off.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#3  jeez. even arabs don't want arabs coming across their borders.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 02/10/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#4  “The cement-filled pipeline being built inside our territories is aimed at curbing infiltration and smuggling
I'm sorry, cement pipeline is border-line Faisal joke territory.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Memo to Sharon: Security wall will now be referred to as "Huge Cement Filled Box". Pass it on...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||


Britain
Brit Kids told: Be a suicide bomber
A fanatical pal of evil cleric Abu Hamza had told British children as young as ten they must “kill and be killed” for Islam.
"Mom! Do I hafta?"
Muslim extremist Omar Bakri — speaking in London’s East End — said suicide bombers were assured a place in paradise.
"But I don't wanna go to Paradise! I wanna go to sixth grade!"
Bakri described such bombings as “self-sacrifice operations”. An example would be to crash a plane on to 10 Downing Street or the White House, he told a cheering audience of Muslims, including around ten young children. In one outburst he raged: “You must fight for the way of Allah, for the sake of Allah, to kill first and to be killed.” Bakri, 44, who has been nicknamed the Tottenham Ayatollah, preached his sick gospel of terrorism at a hall in Bethnal Green. The full rant was captured by BBC reporter Paul Kenyon — who said: “There’s no doubt he was talking about what it takes to be a suicide bomber.”
Picked right up on that, didn't he? Though he's never noticed it before...
The Syrian-born cleric read out a list where terrorist atrocities had been carried out — New York’s Twin Towers, the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Bali blast, and the bomb attack on the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen. And he praised the September 11 bombers as the “Glorious 19 hijackers”. Bakri — who runs a group dedicated to creating an Islamic state in Britain — is a pal of Hamza, who is facing deportation for preaching hate. Last night outraged Tory MP Patrick Mercer declared: “Omar Bakri should be locked up. He’s encouraging others to commit crimes in this country and other countries.
Ummm... Yep. That's what it looks like. A pity you don't have any laws against such things...
“It’s absolutely astounding that these things are being said inside Great Britain today. He’s clearly breaking the law. I’m sure he could probably be accused of treason.
Well, then, WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU DO IT? (Where do they get these people?)
“The fact there are ten-year-olds in the audience, who are vulnerable and highly persuasive, is very worrying”.
The children aren't persuasive, they're persuadable. And they're not the danger, because they don't fly planes, into 10 Downing Street or elsewhere. The danger is the adults, who are capable of doing such things and are just as persuadable as the children...
Journalist Kenyon, 37, added: “The sense of it was that you must prepare yourselves for glorious deaths as martyrs and that they had a duty to become martyrs if called upon. He’s clearly giving them advice on what to do and to have their affairs tidied up before they go. It made my skin crawl.” BAKRI’S full rant will be exposed at 8pm tonight on BBC Radio 4’s File On 4.
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 10:26:09 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  BBC??? Hmmmm, just from past experience, it seems more likely the BBC would be promoting rather exposing these rants. I don't know, just a thought.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Last night outraged Tory MP Patrick Mercer declared: “Omar Bakri should be locked up. He’s..."

Get Bakri to shoot a burglar. Then he'll be locked up for sure.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#3  The jihadis may add the Britain and Scotland, but I'm waiting for them to take over Ireland. Wow, are they in for a surprise.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Got that right,SH.

Will of Clan McManus.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 15:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Be all that you can boom! Like the Aaaaa Rabs.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#6  And Omar and Hookboy will be right at the front of the sign up line, right? Suuuuuuuuuuure they will.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||


Al-Qaeda releases rap video glorifying 9/11
Al-Qaida released a new rap video clip that promotes Jihad and incites against heretics entitled "Filthy Heretics", reported the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat on Monday. A shot of the Twin Towers in New York shortly before the plane crash of September 11 features in the four-minute-long video clip to the sound of revolutionary chants of radical Islamists. The lyrics praise Bin Laden as a "star shining in the sky", and are sung to pictures of the planes approaching the World Trade Center.
I think this is taken from the Guardian report we carried Sunday...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:18:27 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  9/11 was a tragedy and Al-Queda has no right to take the piss out of its many innocent civillian victims. Whoever did it did a dreadful thing to innocent civillians. Maybe GW should rethink his foreign policy as the way he is acting contributed to it and if he doesnt stop will happen again.Human life should be taken by God alone.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Anonymous: 9/11 wasn't a "tragedy". It was a blatant act of war. Wake up. Our civilization is at stake, and we have two choices: kill the islamofascist vermin who threaten it, or ignore the threat and watch it die. You've seemingly made your choice, and I have nothing but contempt for your foolishness. Attitudes like yours would doom us. Thankfully leaders like Bush and Blair understand what we face, and have the stomach to confront it.
Posted by: Kirk || 02/10/2004 1:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Anon's prescription needs refilling again. Troll. Pure Troll. Only a troll would defend Al Queda with this "whoever did it" remark.
Posted by: RMcLeod || 02/10/2004 1:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Who recorded this rap? Binny Smalls (a.k.a. Notorious B.I.N.)?
Posted by: Tibor || 02/10/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Someone calling themselves 'Sheik Terra'. Seriously.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/10/2004 1:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I am not defending Al-Queda where does it say that?? No one should take human life except God. As for Blair he is a liar too.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 1:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey, Any, where have you been since 9/11? Of course it's going to happen again.

How convenient only the US has to change its' foreign policy.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 2:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Actually, I agree with Lee Harris that we should drop the "war" metaphor in favor of one more fitting to al Qaeda: we are exterminating a disease.

(One of my personal favorites from den Beste's essential library.)
Posted by: Dan (not Darling) || 02/10/2004 2:54 Comments || Top||

#9  But but but.. aren't these the same guys who kept telling us Muslims would never commit such a horrible thing like 9-11? Well which is it? Did they do it, or not? Do they support it, or not?
Posted by: Ben || 02/10/2004 5:49 Comments || Top||

#10  Maybe you shouldnt be so prejudiced. Im sure lots of muslims condemn 9/11 as well. Would you like it if someone from your religion did something bad and people said you were responsible because you are that religion too? Think,yeah?
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 6:19 Comments || Top||

#11  If someone from my religion committed a murderous act like 9/11, and publicly gloried in it, I would be the first to denouce him and help hunt him down.

When the muslim community does the same thing, I will respect them. Not until.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 6:29 Comments || Top||

#12  Im sure lots of muslims condemn 9/11 as well.

Really? Provide some links. Show us what the muslim community has done to make you so sure.

Would you like it if someone from your religion did something bad and people said you were responsible because you are that religion too?

If someone from my religion "did something bad" and drew from my religion's texts the justification for it and was able to convince thousands of my coreligionists and state heads to support his cause explicitly while millions worldwide expressed sympathy for it, then yeah - I would expect to catch some flak about it. All the mooslims were able to muster was a half-hearted "yes, yes, very terrible, but you see, Palestine blah blah blah".
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 7:10 Comments || Top||

#13  Yes someONE not every person of that religion thats my point.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 7:53 Comments || Top||

#14  Didn't you hear ? George Bush's foreign policy acting caused 9/11. Yeah, I think if I went to church and the preacher said "death to Islam pig dogs" and offered me a trip to military training camp as a spiritual rite, and praised followers who blew themselves up at Haj killing thousands, I think I might stop going to that church. And if I lived in Saudi Arabia, I might feel obligated to stand up and say, "The people who did this are wrong." Just me.
Posted by: NotAnon || 02/10/2004 8:10 Comments || Top||

#15  "Human life should be taken by God alone.
Posted by"

What a crock!Tell that to the murdering bastards in Al Q,Hezb,etc.And make sure you have a fresh,clean Burqa.

"Im sure lots of muslims condemn 9/11"

Like who.CAIR,ISA strange that they haven't condemned these assholes loud and often.Odd that we have not heard of even one terror cell being broken with information from these "Peacefull" American Muslems.
Quite interesting that an awfull lot of funding keeps flowing through American Mosques too Islamic"Charities"(a.k.a.Terrorists).

As far as I can see these"Peacefull"American Muslems are terrorists by proxy.

Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 8:19 Comments || Top||

#16  You are obviusly prejudiced against muslims.Its all the same God you know. So I suppose its ok for Bush and his mercenaries to take life??? War on Terror? What a crock. Bush etc are the terrorists.Incase you are wondering I am Christian
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 9:05 Comments || Top||

#17  Give it up guys, you're bringing reason to a dumbfight. May I suggest a good mocking?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 9:16 Comments || Top||

#18  Its all the same God you know.

Once again, provide a link to something that would lead you to believe this. I get the feeling you see the world as you wish it to be, without regard for the facts. Nice dream, but watch out for reality - it has this funny way of sneaking up on you.
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#19  When did Bush hire mercenaries? And where are they operating? I'm not real thrilled with using mercenaries, because -- inexplicably -- they're not covered under the Geneva Conventions.

Or is the asshat calling US troops mercenaries? I'd like to see him say that to a Marine's face.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#20  Anono-mouse is a student seeing if his english passes muster. Certainly from some where in Eastern Europe. My guess is a Russian working out his guilt over the Chechnya bloodbath.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#21  Naw... look at post 16... thats midwest sputtering English. Deanie baby of some variety or perhaps someone from NC.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 9:56 Comments || Top||

#22  It is the same God you twit. Allah means God in Arabic. Maybe you should think once in a while.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#23  Nah Shipman! When the 'OneGod' was handing out articles, he really short changed the east europeans its a dead give away! He also mixes US and UK idioms. So we know for sure he gets BBC and CNN.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#24  When Anono-mouse says As for Blair he is a liar too. The article is there for emphasis, as it is in some East european languages. If he said 'Blair is liar too" it would mean Blair is just a common or garden liar, but 'a liar' means he is special kind of liar. Also he gets 'too' right which is something they drum into people in english classes but many native english speakers get wrong. So fess up Anono-mouse!
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#25  Well, wherever s/he's from, Anonymous is dreadfully ignorant of basic religious beliefs and doctrine.

Just because "Allah" is translated "God" doesn't mean the Moslem, Jewish and Christian worship the same God. Beyond the belief that there is one God, these religions have very different conceptions of who that God is, how he relates to humans and what our obligations are.

And in the end, that is what matters. And that is why religions aren't interchangeable.

And finally, yes - I do know all about comparitive biblical studies, the sociology of religious practices, common origins of myths and so on. I've got an advanced degree in the field.

And yes, I do read Hebrew and a (some) Arabic too.
Posted by: anon || 02/10/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#26  A bunch of fundie Muslims doing rap videos? And they say irony is dead.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#27  I don't think that Anonymous is Faisal. The syntax is different. His English is good but doesn't use a lot of slang and has trouble with punctuation, so I'm guessing non-native speaker. His diatribes are just cut and pastes of far left talking points -- no real analysis going on there. He says that he's Christian, but never seems to base his arguments on Biblical precepts. My guess is European grad student in American university. I'm probably wrong, but it's fun to play.
Posted by: 11A5S || 02/10/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#28  "So I suppose its ok for Bush and his mercenaries to take life???"

-Yes, it is ok.

BTW, Anono-ass is right - I am a mercenary......a mercenary of love (cue the Barry White music).

Just kidding, actually I hope we kill every islamonut we can. Fry those motherfucker's up like catfish on a Friday night during lent. I have no remorse for them or their ilk. I also have no remorse for any muslim who gives tacit approval to their heinous deeds.
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 12:12 Comments || Top||

#29  It is the same God different religions just pray to and worship him in different ways. Yes different religions have different beliefs about Him but he is still the same God.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#30  anon #25. Please hang out more often. I'd look forward to reading good posts and insightful comments. With your background you could really add to the U.

Jarhead, God speed.
Posted by: Lucky || 02/10/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#31  Anonymous, Sorry for the name calling yesterday, me bad. You've fought with energy today. Get a name and keep it up. But remember "you can learn a lot from a crash dummy."

If you are a Christian then you know that Mohammed was a fake and Islam is fake. You know that Islam gloms on to other religions and takes its holy places. Once taken it becomes jihadi against those who don't submit.


Posted by: Lucky || 02/10/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#32  For all of Anonymous's tortured logic and resistance to facts, he is actually saner than about 90% of the people at DeanforPresident or DemocraticUnderground.
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#33  We're not prejudiced against muslims, anon, only those who want to kill us.

Allah is not my God. My God wants my daughter to drive, get an education, and be more than a breeder and be all that she can be.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#34  Allah and God are the same!!! Decisions about women driving etc arent made by God. By the way women were educated when Saddam was president.So there you go.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#35  Jesus "Follow me and become fishers of men"
Allah "Kill them all and I'll sort them out"
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#36  Your theory is flawed Antiwar because the religions Holy Books are written by prophets who are writing down Gods commands/words/will. If they all have the same God then I guess He must have split-personalities.
Posted by: Charles || 02/10/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#37  mojo - so true.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#38  LOL Allah and who?

There is no god named Allah.
Mohammed was a liar.
Posted by: AntiPasto || 02/10/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#39  Allah is God you stupid bloody fool!!
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 19:55 Comments || Top||

#40  Really? Thats funny, because by Islamic belief Allah resides on the Moon and no mortal could ever step on the Moon, seems however WE did land on the moon, anyone find a god there? Oh and according to the Koran there is no mention of God creating anything, including man, everything just seems to have already been created. Then theres the omnipotent God in the Bible vs the Allah of the Koran, want to know the big difference there? The one in the Bible is indifferent to whether people worship him or not as He doesn't NEED our worship to make him important or to simply exist, He just IS, it is only through his infinite capacity for mercy that we are given second, third or however many chances so that if we sin or turn away from God he always is waiting to accept us back. The one in the Koran says to kill all the infidels because there can be only one religion and only one worship of him. Any who don't worship must die or become slaves. This type of god desparately needs man to stay in existance and have some meaning. Sorry last I checked any being that has the power to create the universe could give a rats arse whether or not a bunch of evolved monkeys care to worship him. You're not going to win the argument that Allah is God under those kind of conditions. But I think I know why you say that, you're a moral relativist aren't ya?
Posted by: Valentine || 02/10/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#41  Oh and just so you know, while God may potentially have a gazillion faces there are some things he is NOT, for instance you cannot claim that Baal was a face of God (yes this would be the god that wanted children thrown into a furnace for him), or the gods the Incans and Carthagians worshipped was a face of God (human sacrifice ring any bells?), or Shiva, Kali (human sacrifice again as well as burning widows alive as a way of keeping them with their hubbies). Sorry man, but you're dead wrong, and if you're wondering where I get my argument from its from the Catholic Church itself. We've spent millenia arguing this and people like you are always around to muddy the waters and mix others up.
Posted by: Valentine || 02/10/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#42  Valentine Rocks!
Posted by: Lucky || 02/11/2004 0:26 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
United Nations fears Haiti crisis
EFL - I hear the mortar round sailing towards us...INCOMING!!
The United Nations has warned of an impending humanitarian crisis in Haiti, which has seen an escalation of violence, mainly in the north. Aid agency officials said clashes between rebels and security forces were seriously disrupting the distribution of food to tens of thousands of people. The World Food Programme has been helping about 25,000 people who lost their harvests in the December floods. About 40 people have died in street violence since last Thursday. About 10 towns in north-western Haiti have been affected by the street violence, follows months of anti-government protests. Christiane Berthiaume, spokeswoman for the UN World Food Program, said the violence was hampering aid deliveries.
Wasn’t Cuba training up about 10,000 Venezuelan Peace Corps volunteers.
"We have an enormous problem transporting supplies because of insecurity on the roads," she told reporters. Separately, acting UN human rights commissioner Bernard Ramcharan appealed for an end to the violence. He urged the authorities to bring those responsible for violent acts to justice according to international law.
GW, I don’t think Bechtel will be interested. See if Waste Management wants to bid.
Give them a toofer if they’ll take care of Liberia - Bush Assures Liberian Leader of Support.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 8:50:42 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So... it's official. Light up the Jimmy Carter Signal!
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Let the French handle this one. They're not doing anything else and they know the lanquage. OK, Jaques do something besides bitch and obstruct.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 21:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Either France or perhaps Canada could show the Yanks how to handle such a crisis.
Posted by: ruprecht || 02/10/2004 22:59 Comments || Top||


al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas active in Triple Border
Haaretz runs with the item we ran yesterday from the Toronto Star...
Muslim terror groups, including Hamas and Hezbollah, have recently stepped up their efforts to consolidate their power in distant areas of Latin America, particularly in the triangle of borders of Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay, say Israeli and American security sources. The sources in Israel confirmed information provided last week by the deputy chairman of the U.S. joint chiefs of staff, Gen. Peter Pace, who told the Armed Forces Committee in the House of Representatives that the area is a center for trade in drugs, weapons, money laundering, forgery, and activity that supports Islamic terror in Latin America. According to Israeli sources, Hamas and Hezbollah, alongside Al-Qaida and World Jihad groups, are busy training recruits, collecting arms, and gathering intelligence about targets, including Jewish and Israeli targets. They prefer hard-to-reach areas, far from local security and law enforcement agencies, and the decision to conduct activities in Latin America, say Israeli sources, is meant to take the terror front beyond the Lebanon-Israel borders.
Qaeda is much more comfortable when they can keep a training and planning headquarters running, far from prying eyes. Losing Afghanistan hurt them. They keep looking for a place to set up their equivalent of the Pentagon. The casual association with Hezbollah and Hamas will also be significant — assuming there's an actual Qaeda element there. I wonder if this is an outgrowth of the Jerusalem Project?
Major General Moshe Kaplinski, general of the Central Command, said last week during the annual intelligence assessment conducted by the army, that Israel needs to reassess its perception of Hezbollah as limited only to the north, in relation to Lebanon, Syria and Iran. He said that many of the terror attacks in the territories are now carried out under explicit instructions from Hezbollah, including orders as specific as "which explosives should be given to which bomber and where they should go."

In testimony given to Congress in December last year, George Glass, director of The Office of Terrorism Finance and Sanctions Policy, said that the establishment of joint working groups including the State Department, Treasury and Justice Department representatives, has raised the stakes for groups like Hamas, which until last year could still enjoy relatively easy transfer of charity funding. Glass said that Hamas assets were frozen by presidential order last August, and noted that the president specified six Hamas leaders as terrorists - Ahmed Yassin, Khaled Meshal, Moussa Abu Razek, Imad al-Almi, Osama Hamdan, and Abdel Aziz Rantissi. "Hamas bombings demonstrate the group’s commitment to undermining any real efforts to move toward a permanent peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Shutting off the flow of funds to Hamas is crucial to reducing Hamas’ ability to carry out activities," said Glass. Despite the open hostility between Hamas and the Bush administration, Israeli security sources say that it was the Popular Resistance Committee, and not Hamas, which was responsible for the bombing last year of an American convoy in Gaza, in which three American security guards were killed.
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#1  Those Moslems might feel like big fish in that little pond, but if they swim out to the edges of that triangle they might realize they are immersed in an ocean of Roman Catholics.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 3:33 Comments || Top||

#2  There are some leftist movements in thar area too - the Andes is in danger of becoming a serious hotbed of violence soon. Columbians have begun moving to Peru and the Shining Path is active again.

Chavez has sent supporters to train in Cuba in order to put down the opposition at the next Venezuelan elections. Lulu in Brazil hates the US and has sabotaged attempts at trade and other relationships between south American countries and the US.

It's going to be a long next few decades, folks.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 6:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Another factor here is that Chavez is reportedly giving Venezuelan passports to Islamacist foreigners. He is Not Our Friend - but then, we're not his either.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 6:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Lulu, iiuc, has run a relatively moderate domestic policy - not repealing capitalism or anything. Sure he's pushing Mercosur instead of FTAA - Brazil is a would be great power throwing its weight around - more analgous to India, or France (except France is declining) than to Chavez.

remember folks - not everybody who has an independent agenda in world politics, and who even enters into rivalry with us, hates us.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#5  remember folks - not everybody who has an independent agenda in world politics, and who even enters into rivalry with us, hates us.

But that's the way to bet.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 9:43 Comments || Top||

#6  im more inclined to bet on self-interest, rather than hatred, unless there is evidence otherwise.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#7  The evidence is mixed.

On the one hand, Lula de Silva has become (in the short run at least) something of a fiscal moderate, with the result that Brazil has been able to attract lower interest loans and other financial securities interest.

On the other hand, there are quotes like this one from a BBC interview last July: "If it is true that the 20th century was the century in which Europe and the US lived through economic recovery and sustainable growth, the 21st century could be century in which some of the wealth, accumulated over the years, could be distributed."

The question is: distributed how? Among other things, he is pushing for an "international tax on financial transactions". I'm not thrilled by the idea of a UN-managed compulsory global tax, no matter how worthy the cause (eliminating poverty).

A year ago he told the World Economic Forum: "
We would like to appeal to you to make scientific discoveries universally available, so that their benefits can be enjoyed by all countries of the world."
In the context of the full speech, it is clear that he wants those discoveries to be given for free - no patents on seeds, drugs etc.

I understand the challenges of a country like Brazil, but I don't think this is the way they will ultimately be met.

His recent cabinet shuffle moves his administration to the center on many policies and looks to be a good thing.

In the meanwhile, he has been a strong supporter of Chavez. And while he cites the need to respect election results for that support, he turns a conveniently blind eye to actions Chavez is taking to ensure that the next election will go his way
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#8  Been thinking about this topic while driving home today.

I'm not sure Lula "hates" the US, unlike (say) Chavez. OTOH I do think he is less benign than many of my liberal friends assume. He is deliberately building close alliances with China, Russia and to a lesser degree India; he openly wants to use the UN to transfer power and wealth to 3rd world countries and would not mind a mildly coercive regime to make that happen.

He walks an interesting - and shifting - line between leftist and centrist policies, but with a potential resurgence of far left movements in south America, he may find himself needing to shift leftward hard or lose power. In such a climate, with some preliminary signs that far left and Islamacist groups see themselves as sharing certain goals, I doubt we can expect him to do anything about al Qaeda, Hamas and Hizbollah setting up shop on his borders.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 19:16 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
NORKS Peddling Missles to Sub-Sarahan Africa
From East-Asia-Intel, subscription req’d...
Yang Hyong-Sop, vice chairman of the Presidium of the North Korean Supreme People’s Assembly, is wrapping up a tour of Africa, including Nigeria, where he confirmed suspicions that North Korea plans to expand its missile business to the sub-Saharan region.
Just what everyone down there needs. More missles, when they cannot control their own country.
While visiting Nigeria Jan. 27-31, Yang reportedly proposed sharing missile technology with the African military giant, triggering concerns about a new arms race among some of the world’s least-stable nations.
Who can least afford it. But the NORKS want to sow more dissention and trouble to get the heat off them, or attempt to strengthen their bargaining position in the six way talks. Their playbook is getting old, very old, and GW is not buying.
In a meeting with Nigerian Vice President Atiku Abubakar, Yang proposed to sell Nigeria advanced missile technology, according to the Nigerian government. North Koreans showed their Nigerian military counterparts a "catalog of what they have," the government said.
"See Atiku, may I call you Atiku? Good. If you really feel you can handle it, this is the Bigh Dong, which, when topped with the warhead ’flavor’ of your choice, will make your enemies, lackey dogs that they are, run hither and thither in great excitement."
Yang, as the No. 2 man at the SPA Presidium, North Korea’s highest decision-making body, is one of highest-level officials in the communist nation. Its head, Kim Yong-Nam, serves as the country’s ceremonial head of state. A Nigerian government spokesman said the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding to share missile technology, but said no hardware acquisitions had yet been made or decided upon.
So many models to choose from. Decisions. Decisions. Better see if the Minister of Finance’s arm can be twisted a few more degrees.
North Korea has maintained close ties with Nigeria since the two countries concluded a military cooperation accord in 1992, a year after Pyongyang’s defense minister made a groundbreaking visit to Lagos.
Nigeria having trouble getting mil help from others?
The United States has voiced concerns over the possible missile transaction and urged Nigeria not to pursue such a deal. If the missile deal goes through, Nigeria would be North Korea’s first known sub-Saharan partner. Some Mideast countries, including Libya, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan and Syria, have reportedly received North Korean technical assistance with either missiles or missile technology.
Maybe we will be able to look over the Libyan stuff soon.
North Korea, which has developed missiles capable of carrying warheads as far as Japan, is cited by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency as being the world’s largest exporter of ballistic missiles. According to Seoul’s Defense Ministry, North Korea exported $60 million worth of Scud missiles and parts to Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Iran in 2002. Between 1999 and 2001, Pyongyang sold $50 million in missile parts to Yemen, Pakistan and Syria. The United States alleges that North Korea reaped about $560 million from missile sales in 2001. "African nations will refrain from receiving missiles or missile technology from North Korea because it is sure to annoy the United States," said Cheon Seong-Whun, a researcher at the Korean Institute for National Unification, a government-run think tank. "North Korea knows that. Its missile bid is part of its ploy to arouse anxiousness in the United States rather than actually reaching missile deals," he said.
Might even piss us off real bad.
Yang also visited Senegal and met President Abdoulaye Wade to discuss ways to promote economic cooperation between the two nations and resolve the international standoff over Pyongyang’s nuclear ambitions, Pyongyang’s state-run media said on Feb. 7.
Senegal? WTFO?
Yang and Wade signed an agreement to boost economic and technological cooperation, the (North) Korean Central Broadcasting Station said, without elaborating on the Feb. 5 accord.
Maybe Senegal can export grass and treebark.
Yang’s Senegal visit was part of his trip to African nations that included stops in Uganda, Nigeria and Guinea. South Korean intelligence officials said Yang would return home this week after visiting one or two more nations, including Cameroon. North Korea watchers in Seoul say Yang’s African visit seems part of a flurry of diplomatic efforts aimed at wooing support for Pyongyang’s position in the nuclear standoff with the United States.
Yeah. Get Nigeria and Senegal on your side. The sooner the NORKS fall, the sooner the people of North Korea can be saved from starvation. How goes the campaign, Amnesty International?
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#1  Gotta get 'em there. I forsee a lot of accidents happening to Nork ships way out at sea.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 17:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Arrrr, Mojo. No more nice intercepts. The NORKS usually cover their missle cargo with cement, so the whole shebang should go to Davey Jones toot sweet.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/10/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Pirates anyone?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/10/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Missiles being the Nork's only cash crop, is it really any wonder that they would try to, er, ship there, ah, surplus to the starving folks in Africa?

Sorry, was thinking like an international apologist. I'm better now.
Posted by: eLarson || 02/10/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm thinking Mr. Yang needs a new flight crew and a "no-parachute" drop from high altitude
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 18:54 Comments || Top||

#6  We've all heard about the Norkie misssle tests, so if the ocean attacks Sub Saharan Africa, it's dead meat.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||


Europe
EU MPs protest Uribe
EFL
Mr Uribe, who is on a five-day tour through Europe, said terrorism was itself a violation of human rights. Some European legislators are critical of Mr Uribe’s sucess against leftist rebels anti-terrorism laws which expand some of the military’s powers. About 20 MEPs left the chamber when he began to speak, holding scarves reading ’Peace and Justice in Colombia’.
- but not in Iraq,the PRC, Iran, Cuba ....
One of the protesters, Green party group leader Monica Frassoni, said she considered Mr Uribe’s visit "inappropriate". "There are too many open questions about human rights violations," she said. But in his address, Mr Uribe insisted his country’s arrest and detention laws were no tougher than those in place in Europe and the United States. "My people want iron determination to stamp out terrorism," he said.
How inappropriate.
Mr Uribe also ruled out a prisoner exchange with rebel group the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). The group currently holds 50 high-profile hostages, which it wants to swap for rebels held in state prisons. Mr Uribe said such a move would "open the doors to permanent blackmail of the state and society". Earlier, Mr Uribe won support when he met European Commission President Romano Prodi in Brussels. Mr Prodi backed Colombia’s fight against left-wing guerrillas, despite widespread concern over human rights. "[The Commission has] reaffirmed its commitment to support the government looking for a solution to the internal conflict" in Colombia, Mr Prodi said. The Colombian president said he had received assurances that preferential trade ties would be extended beyond the end of the year. Many European legislators are worried that Mr Uribe has failed to honour previous commitments on human rights. He had pledged last year to improve his country’s record in exchange for more EU aid. Some members say they are particularly concerned about Mr Uribe’s anti-terrorism laws which, among other things, expand the military’s search and arrest powers. Most of the president’s critics say the measures could lead to an increase in the use of torture and forced disappearances. Others are concerned about the controversial peace process with right-wing paramilitaries, especially because the Colombian Congress is currently debating a bill which could grant amnesty to these groups if they lay down their weapons. Human rights organisations blame the paramilitaries for some of the worst atrocities in Colombia’s 40-year civil war.
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#1  Sorry, went a little long on the subtitle. It might have been shorter to say, (imagines fellating Fidel during speech.)
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 20:53 Comments || Top||


Italy ’departure point’ for suicide bombers
LARGELY seen until recently as a logistical base for Islamic terrorists, Italy has become a departure point for suicide attackers linked to al-Qaeda and active against US-led forces in Iraq, according to an Italian intelligence report released today. The document also warned that forces staging anti-coalition attacks in Iraq might expand their scope and targets. The report came weeks after Italian investigators said they shut down a European network suspected of recruiting Islamic militants to carry out attacks on US-led forces in Iraq. The investigators said the volunteers were drawn from Muslim youths living on the fringes of society in Western Europe, including Italy. Evidence gathered over the past six months shows "the strategic importance of our country ... not only as a transit point and for logistic and financial support, but also as a departure point for would-be ’kamikaze’ or holy warriors" in Iraq, read the biannual report put together by the Italian secret services.
The Italians have been busy.
The intelligence report said many of the extremists stationed in Italy had links to North-African terror groups and to al-Qaeda’s operatives believed to be active in the autonomous northern Kurdish region in Iraq. The report said the Italian cells seeking to recruit people for suicide attacks include high-ranking suspects, and are mainly based in Milan and other northern cities such as Cremona, Parma and Reggio Emilia. Regions like Tuscany and Piedmont in the north and Campania in the south are also considered breeding grounds for extremists, the 46-page report said. From there, the extremists had taken part in what the report described as the "Iraqi campaign". The secret service report, which covered the last six months of 2003, did not spell out what attacks in Iraq might have been carried by people coming from Italy. However, in December, top Italian investigators said that one recruit from Italy may have been involved in a rocket attack on the Al-Rasheed Hotel in Baghdad in October, when the US assistant defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, was staying there.
I think this was the rockets in the generator attack.
Italian authorities have put many suspected terrorists behind bars in the last few years, in many cases alleging logistical support to extremists passing through Europe, such as providing fake papers. In November Italian authorities arrested two people on suspicion of recruiting militants for suicide attacks in Iraq, the first such arrests in Italy since the beginning of the war. A third suspect, an Algerian, was picked up in Germany on an arrest warrant issued in Milan as part of the same probe. In an interview published today, the Italian foreign minister, Franco Frattini, said NATO needs to strengthen ties to southern Mediterranean and Middle East countries to combat terrorism. "Only by involving countries from the southern side (of the Mediterranean) in a common defence and security plan can we create the conditions for a stable solution and especially for a stable action against terrorism," Frattini told Corriere della Sera. Frattini did not identify the countries he wanted increased cooperation with, but said the plan in the future might include Iraq. The minister was quoted as saying he would make a proposal to NATO at an Alliance summit next month.
We’ll have to see if we can find more of this report.
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French Lawmakers Overwhelmingly Back Veil Ban
An overwhelming majority of France’s National Assembly voted Tuesday to ban religious emblems in state schools, a measure Paris wants to keep tensions between Muslim and Jewish minorities out of public classrooms.
"Keep it in the streets where it belongs!"
Deputies voted 494 to 36 to ban Muslim headscarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses from state schools and threaten pupils who insisted on wearing them with expulsion. The government insists the ban does not single out any religion, but cabinet ministers admit its main targets are the Islamic headscarves and anti-Semitic remarks from Muslim pupils that teachers say have become more frequent in recent years. This was the first reading of the bill, which must go to the Senate and then back to the National Assembly for final approval in mid-March, which should now be only a formality.
Unless, of course, France surrenders before then.
The issue goes to the heart of France’s self-image as a secular state that keeps faith out of state schools and services to ensure no religion dominates or suffers discrimination.
Image is everything.
The ban has wide public support but leaders of France’s five million Muslims call it discriminatory. It has provoked criticism from Islamic and Christian leaders abroad, including Pope John Paul.
The Christians will most likely not be the ones blowing themselves up over this.
Before the vote, Education Minister Luc Ferry said France had witnessed a "spectacular rise in racism and anti-Semitism in the last three years" and the ban would help to keep classes from dividing up into "militant religious communities."
I can count the dangerous "communities" with one finger.
Teachers have complained in recent years of problems with Muslim pupils who interrupt history classes to deny the Nazis slaughtered Jews; boycott classes on human reproduction, saying they are immodest; or refuse to attend physical education.
Bet if you added weapons training or some of those flaming hoops to the PE program they’d flock to class.
They have also reported that Muslim pupils sometimes repeat anti-Semitic themes they see on Arabic satellite television. Jewish families are increasingly switching their children from state schools to private Jewish schools to avoid harassment.
I’d consider switching to another continent.
It was not clear whether Paris would also ban Sikh turbans, which the 5,000-strong Sikh community in the Paris area says are not religious but practical coverings for their uncut hair.
Sikhs are normally very peaceful, unless you mess with their religious beliefs. They get testy about that, ask India.
In Kuala Lumpur, about 40 supporters of the fundamentalist Islamic PAS, the biggest opposition party in mainly Muslim Malaysia, protested against the law outside the French embassy chanting "Long live Islam" and "Crush the infidels."
Shall we make popcorn?
In Washington, 47 members of the United States Congress protested to the French ambassador Monday in a letter saying: "The proposed law threatens the religious rights of French children by forcing them to choose between school and religious practices that are central to their core values."
France, working to unite the world, as only France can.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 12:49:45 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well then does that mean the French themselves have to stop wearing those stupid Berets? Perhaps an Inquisition into these matters will quell discontent. Where is Torqada when you need him
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#2  hmm...I guess I sort of disagree with the conventional logic here. I don't see what the big deal is in banning the additional attire. In America, many schools went to uniforms or uniform codes to prevent the problems caused by gang attire which was as simple as a colored bandana or a red-sox hat. Doing so was highly successful in eliminating much of the gang activity.

Big deal if they can't wear their headscarves or yammakas (sp?). Is it worth young girls getting raped every day?? Education is free, if they don't like it, they can always can pay for a private school. This is all much to do about nothing in my opinion.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#3  "Muslim pupils sometimes repeat anti-Semitic themes they see on Arabic satellite television. "

So how about instead of banning head scarves, you go do something about the antisemitic Arabic satellite networks? Or better yet try to reform the whole region like we're doing? Or better yet just support us in what we're doing??

B. 1. This isnt a school uniform - as long as what you wear isnt "religious" as defined by the govt, you can wear it. The govt decides whats religious, and bans only that. B. Girls getting raped - gee i thought this was generally an NRA friendly site - remember guns, dont kill, people do. Well headscarves dont rape, young men do. C. Sure they can go to a private school - is that a good way to get them to assimilate?

Basically the French approach to the muslim fundie problem is to fight it on their own soil. The US approach is to go solve the problem at the root, in the middle east. Fighting it on your own soil inevitably leads to discrimination and civil rights limitations - (yeah, i know the scarf ban is kinda, sorta justifiable, and France doesnt have and doesnt have to have the US view on absolute religious freedom and wall of seperation - but this is a step in a certain direction) one of the reasons Im a LIBERALhawk, and a liberalHAWK is that I think winning the war OVER THERE, in the islamic world, is necessary to avoid this kind of clash of civs within the West. France is illustrating the danger.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Car bombing in Paris in 3....2....
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 02/10/2004 14:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Accept head scarves in otrder to assimilate Muslims? And what next? Female genital mutilation? Nuts.

If Muslims are unhappy about France's status of women they are perfectly free to go to Saudi Arabia or to hell (assumming there is a difference). Same thing for the Berkeleys intellectuals who play moral relativism while the Kurds are gassed, the Soudanese enslaved or women oppressed and mutilated.


There was a time, a log, long, looong time ago, where France was a positive force for freedom. At that time she did things like liberating slaves as soon as they set foot in french soil. Time to walk that way again instead of bowing before dictators and degenerate kinglets.

Posted by: JFM || 02/10/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Does anyone have the IDs of the U.S. Congressmen who signed such a letter?
Posted by: SamIII || 02/10/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Does anyone have the IDs of the U.S. Congressmen who signed such a letter?
Posted by: SamIII || 02/10/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  French education minister Luc Ferry is (well, by French standards) a great intellectual. He is a strong critic of radical environmentalism and, more importantly, of the post-modernist rot that has done so much damage (as a French import) in US academia.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 02/10/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Wonder how many of these Congress people are suppoters of the ACLU and thier agenda.

Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 16:10 Comments || Top||

#10  Mr Yosemite Sam

The Algerian islamists set bombs in trains and metros in 1995. One of this tried to derail the TGV (very high speed train, about 180 miles an hour). It didn't explode, otherwise it would have caused hundreds of victims. My daughter was in one of the trains who rolled over the bomb without detonating it. At that time the USA Clinton was busy licking the boots from those he considered the future masters of Algeria.
Posted by: JFM || 02/10/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#11  I completely disagree with you liberal hawk. No one is telling them they can't wear the headscarves or the yammaka's, they are simply telling them they have to take them off when they get to school. Big difference.

The Koran makes no law demanding they wear headscarves - they wear them because it's a cultural thing. There are lots of things we don't let children wear to school when we believe they are disruptive. What makes the headscarf so much more damn sacred than anything else? By your logic, the schools should let the children of the Church of Satan wear dead chickens around their neck if some one deems it, "religious".

Would you support an American, entering a Muslim school demanding to wear provocative clothing? No, you wouldn't. You would expect them to respect the cultural norms. These children see women's hair EVERY day. It's not like the girls are going to suffer permanent pyscological damage if they let loose their locks for a few hours.

It's a known fact that prohibiting gang attire on school grounds reduces gang violence and participation - how are headscarves, yammakas (sp) and crosses different from wearing the colors of a gang?
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 17:15 Comments || Top||

#12  LH - I'm with the French (thought I'd never say that - ackkkk!) and JFM on this. IMHO The new Islamic push is to force their customs, however ass-backward and misogynist they are, on the rest of society as a PC/civil rights argument. The head coverings are an effort by muslim patriarchy (hate using left/feminist words, but it's correct here) to subdue and lessen female standing - purely due to the Islamic male's own fears of inferiority and inadequacy. Girls are trained from the day they are born that the scarf is a good thing, along with serving as second class citizens to males. Brainwashed, they will actually accept that the scarf is a necessary part of their being. God forbid they show an ankle lest the Islamic male find it necessary to rape her through no fault of his own.....
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#13  After we are done digesting the newest round of international law that our Supreme Court plans for us to follow, we have the next chapter emerging in France. Frenchwoman Marries Her Dead Boyfriend. I hope for the sake of the honeymoon that rigor mortis has set-in.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 20:08 Comments || Top||

#14  Believers! Let the seething begin!
SH: You sure that wasn't Massachusetts?
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#15  hey LH - one last question...If the Christian Idenity Church decides they want to make the same day as Martin Luther King Day a religious holiday and force their children to wear white hoods, as a sign of their faith, would you support that? I didn't think so. What's the difference?
Posted by: B || 02/11/2004 7:30 Comments || Top||


Islamic Terror Trial Opens in New High-Tech German Court
Germany’s high-tech, high-security court on the outskirts of DÃŒsseldorf makes its debut Tuesday when three members of the Jordanian-based al-Tawhid Islamic group appear in the dock. The two Jordanians and one Palestinian, aged between 30 and 39 years, are accused of planning to attack two Jewish restaurants in DÃŒsseldorf and a Jewish community center in Berlin. The three were arrested in April 2002 along with five other suspects. An Algerian man, accused of supporting the terror cell, also faces charges. In an earlier trial last November, al-Tawhid member The Real Slim Shadi Mohd Mustafa Abdallah was sentenced to four years in prison for planning terror attacks on Jewish targets. Abdallah gave detailed testimony to the court at the time and spoke of the planned attacks in DÃŒsseldorf and Berlin. He also admitted to being trained in an al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan as well as temporarily working as Osama bin Laden’s bodyguard. His testimony is expected to play a decisive role in this trial.

Though the trial is expected to be followed closely by security and terrorism experts battling Islamic terrorism worldwide, its physical surroundings are likely to generate equal interest. The new €37 million security court, built in a record 12 months and designed to thwart any terrorist attack, resembles a fortress. Surrounded by high barbed-wire fences, it is built with bomb proof concrete, bullet proof glass and outfitted with metal detectors. The entire building is monitored by security cameras. The roof even boasts a helipad so that high-profile criminals can be airlifted in without having to pass through crowds of on-lookers. Security arrangements within the building are also stringent. During proceedings, defendants will be separated from the public by bullet-proof glass and held in custody in one of 19 cells. Extra cells have been built to detain any troublemakers among the public. The designers of the sophisticated court room have also taken a cue from previous trials in the old courtroom, according to news agency dpa. For instance Muslim visitors attending the trial of the radical "caliph of Cologne," Metin Kaplan, flooded the visitors’ restrooms by using the toilet basins for ritual washing. Now, the new building features a footbath for Muslims in the public lavatories.
And a sign over the was basins: "Please do not wash your feet in the sinks."
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 9:43:28 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
The two Jordanians and one Palestinian, aged between 30 and 39 years, are accused of planning to attack two Jewish restaurants in Düsseldorf and a Jewish community center in Berlin.

The choice was either to do that or to go get a job.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Now, the new building features a footbath for Muslims

Yeah, non-Muslims call it a toilet.
Posted by: ed || 02/10/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||


Zarqawi audio tape held in Germany
The German authorities are holding an audio tape apparently recorded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in which he calls for the destruction of the United States, according to the Tuesday edition of German daily Tagesspiegel. "Oh Allah, destroy the kingdom of (US President George W.) Bush, just as you destroyed the kingdom of Caesar," the voice on the 65-minute cassette says. It accuses certain Arab governments of abandoning the Muslim faith and says: "Oh Allah, kill them one after the other. Spare no-one," Tagesspiegel quoted police as saying.
"God, please kill them all!"
Israel is also criticized on the tape, which the German authorities believed to be authentic. It said the German federal police had confirmed they were examining the tape, which appeared to have been recorded during the second half of 2003.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:03:27 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  what an original--where can i buy a copy?
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 02/10/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#2  If Allah destroys the Kingdom of George Bush at the same rate that he destroyed the empire of Julius Caesar, we here in the United States have about 450 more years until the barbarians occupy Washington DC.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 3:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, God destroyed Caesar's kingdom, but not until 4-5 hundred years after Caesar was already pushing up daisies.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#4  yawn........I was hoping for another "sky will rain fire" on NYC on March 3rd or some such....
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm waiting until I can get a compilation of the best anti-American rants from K-tel. I have heard that the first CD will feature American leftist spittle.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#6  In that vein, we need to save all the material seize in raids for an eventual bloopers show.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#7  Wonder if anyone will enlighten Zarqawi that Ceaser was dead for about 400 years before Mohammed was BORN, or would that be too obvious? One thing is obvious: Zarqawi was definitely educated in a Madrassa, and learned "history" from the Quran, the stupid goat-f$$$$$.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/10/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canada’s Chief Auditor Notes Misused Funds
EFL - guess somebody didn’t understand that Sadaam was giving away money.
Canada’s chief auditor lambasted the governing Liberal Party on Tuesday for giving millions of dollars in contracts to political cronies, calling it "blatant misuse of public funds." Prime Minister Paul Martin responded by ordering an inquiry into the "serious breach of public trust." Martin tried to distance himself by stressing that the transactions were overseen by his predecessor, Jean Chretien, who retired in December. He said he was unaware of the funding favoritism while he served as finance minister under Chretien before resigning in 2002 to run for the Liberal Party leadership. Martin has spent the two months since he succeeded Chretien trying to re-brand the Liberal government as fresh, forward-thinking and ideas-driven. The scandal could damage his government’s image before a national election expected to be called in April or May, though Martin and his party are favored by far to win a five-year term.
I guess Chretien has established his legacy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 8:59:18 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Legacy? Amen to that.

It's "enlightening" to see all of the changes, all of a sudden, with the retirement of Chretien. Suddenly problems that "never were" are problems on the front burner.

So Mr. (new) Prime Minister: have these problems within the PMO just come to light, or is there some sort of back-pedaling going on here?

Are you going to deal with the problem by creating a new Parliamentary inquiry (if even that) or are you going to do the problem justice and look into criminal charges against ex-government officials for racketeering?

Chose carefully. You're an ex-government official yourself.

-Vic
Posted by: Vic || 02/10/2004 22:08 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
White House releases Bush’s military pay records, more
Just released- This article is somewhat lengthy but the point is made. I’m just waiting now for the Dummies spin on this. It should be off the wall whatever they come back with.

something like "It ain’t true....I don’t believe it..another conspiracy etc."
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 2:16:38 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am willing to bet that the Air Force overpaid him at one point and then the Dimocrats will charge him a thief! "Look! They overpaid you $1.67 and you never paid it back! THIEF!" When I first joined the service my paycheck varied by $5 each month. About five years later I was told that I owed them $2.34 in back pay and they took it out of my next paycheck. Better still, maybe the Guard owes Lt. Bush some back pay? I would love that one!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/10/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Dataman - correct call. Judging from the press reaction and blog comments they aren't satisfied with the proof and probably never will be.
Posted by: AWW || 02/10/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#3  What boggles my mind is that the Democrats actually intend to make this their "Big Hairy Issue" of the campaign.

Pretty sad.
Posted by: Dave D. || 02/10/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#4  I watched the White House briefing. Scott McClellan(?) kept saying that the record show the dates that President Bush was paid for his days served. The press kept saying that it was not proof that he actually showed up. It was a very confrontational press corp. The press has decided that President Bush is lying about his military service. I don't think there is anything they would have accepted as proof.
Posted by: Scott || 02/10/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Scott, apparently they (the liberal press) will not pursue Kerry's "activities" after he came back from NAM. It's really sad. FOX is the only channel beginning to bring this up. I think by November it will be very clear as to who is a hero and who isn't. Unfortunatley there is an electorate who no matter what they see will ever change their mind. I'm not surprised. They are the same ones who called us NAM vets baby killers etc. God Bless America.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Well here is one Vet that has a problem with John Friggin Kerry!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/10/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#7  The press will always carry the water for a left-leaning democrat. (Less so a left-leaning Republican... unless of course he is prone to lashing out at his fellow party members.) My surprisemeter doesn't twitch a bit when the Washington Press Core becomes adversarial against a sitting Republican.

The thing that does surprise me is that the only issue they feel they can get any traction with in the campaign is one that was asked and answered in the 2000 primary against John McCain (himself a noted War Hero), and also back when GWB was running for Governor of Texas.

Perhaps this is their tactic pre-election, with a constant drumbeat of investigations before and during the election. It will continue afterward in the event that he wins in an attempt to push him out, a la Watergate.

(Incidentally, you can get a copy of a photo of John Kerry sitting a row or so behind Jane Fonda at a rally at Valley Forge, PA in September 1970 here.)
Posted by: eLarson || 02/10/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||

#8  There are a lot of Viet Vets who have problems with Mr. Ed...I mean Mr. Kerry.
Posted by: Sgt.DT || 02/10/2004 18:51 Comments || Top||

#9  kerry looks like tree-beard from LOTR.
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 18:58 Comments || Top||

#10  Herman Munster
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#11  I bet shrub had someone sign for his paychecks or maybe he paid someone to serve his time! Just like a nazi/repug! Can I get my bong back now? Kusinich in 04!
Posted by: Halffull || 02/10/2004 19:28 Comments || Top||

#12  tinfoil hat accessory too, Halffull
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 20:11 Comments || Top||

#13  Thanks for the input, Halffull. By the way, what are you half full of?
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:21 Comments || Top||

#14  Meanwhile the Osamanauts are setting up shop for a new day while the Dems caterwaul with their heads up their asses. Why O Why do we have to repeat history? How many Americans will be blown away by terrorists due to this crap??????!!!!!!!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/10/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#15  Speaking as a National Guard soldier my self, discrepancies in pay and drills attended are not at all unusual. Currently my unit -still- owes me pay for drill last October.
So in my eyes the only thing that counts was that he was in good enough odor with his CO to get an honorable discharge early. I notice that he did 5 years very adequately, and even the air guard does not let just anybody fly jets.
In conclusion-- Im mightily embarrased if this is the best the Dems can come up with.
As an aside, kerry lost my vote when he started to slam on us guardsmen. Grrr. keep it up and I may wind up voting (gag) for bush.
Posted by: N Guard || 02/10/2004 21:32 Comments || Top||


Dean to Stay in Race Until Ringing in Head Stops
Scrappleface
(2004-02-09) -- Former Democrat presidential frontrunner Howard Dean today reversed his previous pledge to drop out of the race if he loses the Wisconsin primary. He now promises to stay in "until this ringing in my head stops."
“Ding dong- ya ok Howard just take a nice nap now, the men in the white coats are on the way”
"Even if I don’t win Wisconsin or any other state, I will continue to run," Mr. Dean told a small crowd of supporters in Sheboygan.
“Probably there to see if he has anymore freakout speeches”
"If I don’t get the nomination, I will run as an independent. And if I lose the general election, I will immediately announce my 2008 campaign and keep running. I will never stop running for president. This is my profession -- my calling.
“I’m not self delusional am I? ..they’re coming to take me way ha ha, they’re coming to take me away ho ho hee hee, to the funny farm
.”
The ringing in my head beckons me to strive inexorably onward. Can you hear the ringing? Can you hear it?"
“uh ya man sure

.ya we hear it
”
The crowd erupted in applause and shouts of "Yes, we hear it. Run Howard, run!"
“Similar to people who have been known to egg on suicide jumpers”
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 9:11:37 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  why add comments to a scrappleface piece, which is already satire?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm not certain that dataman recognized it for satire...
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 02/10/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#3  I took it as an actual report and not satire. I've just begun getting into these BLOG's and probably will make a few more mistakes like that.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#4  And let's be honest -- it's really tough to tell the difference between Dean's actual behavior and satire.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 10:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Fisking a Scrappleface.....or is it Scraping a Fiskiface? You decide.
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#6  dataman, we have ALL made that mistake at least once. And it is hard to tell when looking at that the Dims.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/10/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#7  LMAO, being that it's about the man who made "YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!" famous, this article could have been in the wall street journal and I wouldn't of been suprised in the least.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Don't worry about it, dataman1.

He's not going anywhere, this was on Bros. Judd:


Via Bros. Judd:

Former Vermont Gov. Howie Dean and his advisers are looking into options that would allow him to run for president on the Green Party ticket should he fail in his bid to wrench the Democratic nomination away from Sen. John Kerry.

Dean had been looking at the Green Party long before his campaign caught fire. As early as late last summer, Dean was considering the Greens as an option, particularly because at the time Ralph Nader, the Green nominee in 2000, appeared less interested in a run.

"This isn't a ploy to get Democrats to pay attention to us," says a Deaniac in Washington. "This is about ensuring that our man's views and this supporters' views get carried into the fall campaign. A Green Party bid puts him in the debates with Bush and whomever the Democrats nominate. It keeps us viable."
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#9  Anonymous2U,

The dems would be so pissed at dean... and rove would be so proud of him. I bet Rove has teams of advisors posing as deaniacs trying to convince him to run as a green :)
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#10  That would be sweet if Dean-o would run as a Green! Bush, Kerry and Dean in a debate. Bush would crush those mental midgets. Rove is probably popping wood just thinking about the possibilities of Mad Howard running Green.
Posted by: Swiggles || 02/10/2004 13:52 Comments || Top||

#11  I dunno, he might have a future as the Harold Stassen of the new century.
Posted by: Hiryu || 02/10/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#12  Could be right Hiryu.... but who currently is the Harold Stassen? It's kind of an open niche in the Democratic side.... McGovern ran twice... once after losing.... Gene McCarthy? 3 times? Senator Hartpence was looking to give it a try but lost his nerve.... Okay here's my bet Hiryu... let me know in 12 years... Al Gore.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 19:12 Comments || Top||


Tehran Times endorses Sen Kerry
EFL
Kerry Says He Will Repair Damage If He Wins Election
from the Tehran Times which also had a Jew hatred editorial that day - basically they printed an email they got from a US group
...Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election... we are also painfully aware of how the actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at risk.
[yes that wonderful and mutually enriching relationship with the Mullahs is at risk]
It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country’s credibility in the eyes of the world. America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others. We are convinced that John Kerry is the candidate best qualified to meet this challenge...The current Administration’s policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords
[I’m sure global warming is a big issue to the people sent to jail in Iranian for not having a burka long enough]
...alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11...
[and we know how much the Mullahs supported us then]
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 9:03:45 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The more of this stuff there is the more it will hurt Kerry with the center - not so much the Teheran Times, as the inevitable support from the Guardian and Independent, and from elements of the loony left at home - hopefully this will force Kerry to a "sister souljah" moment. Only in this moment in history not wrt to rap music, but wrt to the antiamerican and antisemitic elements in the world. It isnt enough to speak against Al qaeeda - that would have been like Clinton in 1992 critizing driveby shooters and giving rappers a pass. He has to attack the whole range of folks who incite and justify - he has to do it hard and wideranging enough to anger at least some of his base. This is one reason why its important that Dean fade early, since Kerry wont want to make a really hardhitting and wideranging statement till he has no challenge from the left.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 9:12 Comments || Top||

#2  LH
good analysis; one problem with Kerry is his instinct to pander, what if he has a sister souljah moment, say criticizing teachers groups that want the 'leave no child behind' money but don't want the standards - do you actually think Kerry wouldn't crumble after one call from the NEA?
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 10:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh, this is NOT Scrappleface? My bad.
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#4  You're wasting your time, LH, and setting yourself up for endless heartbreak, if you think John Kerry's going to be having any kind of "Sistah Souljah" moment with regard to the fight against Islamic extremism.

John Kerry- and the rest of the Democratic Party along with him- IS Sistah Souljah now.
Posted by: Dave D. || 02/10/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#5  great relatoinship we have with the mullas. They hit and kill us throgh proxy and we do nothing. At least when a democratic prez in office. Well not totally true , we still had our people kidnapped under reagan - but it was a diff type of terrorism. When a dem prez is in office we dithering on our part and bombs from our enemies.
Still do not know how clinton did nothing wiht the first wtc bombing.

Reagan-Bush-Bush at least we have/had a response that did/does change behavoir towards us.

We will be hit if we did nothing, do nothing, attack balls out, or just pull out. We will still be attacked.
Posted by: Dan || 02/10/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#6  You see Kerry plan from the beginning was to do NOTHING! He has done that as the Lt. Gov and Senator, why not be the 'Do Nothing' President! He voted for the War, but 'expected' Bush to do NOTHING. That is why Kerry is so popular in Europe and Muslims. They wan the U.S. to be omnipotent, until they 'really' need us. His rhetoric will be his downfall. Just look at how well ‘Howling’ Howard Dean is doing! Same message, different messenger.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/10/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#7  I like that! It would make a good bumper sticker

Kerry For President
A man who does nothing- does nothing wrong!
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#8  That is why Kerry is so popular in Europe and Muslims
I imagine that Vietnam,and North Korea sorta like his potential too.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#9  for a bumper sticker based on Kerry's statement that he didn't think Bush would invade without a UN approval, "Vote for Kerry - He's easily fooled"
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#10  Dan, what people were kidnapped under Reagan?

People were killed, Marines 83, Leon Klinghoffer 85(?) the Greek hijacking incident 85 and others, but I don't remember kidnapping. The Iranian hostages were released as RR became pres.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Anonymous2U,

The thing that pissed me off about Reagan was when he ran from lebanon when the 241 marines were killed in that suicide bombing. It made us look like cowards and game confidence to our enemies...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#12  Anon2U: I believe it was Lt Col William Buckley that was kidnapped, and later tortured to death. Also kidnapped and killed, the man for which he was seeking the release of, Col William Higgins. There were others too...at the time of Buckley's operation there were believed to be other hostages held. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong...it's been awhile.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#13  Buckley was the CIA station cheif in lebanon, right? As I recall he was captured and tortured for years and we did nothing...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#14  The other person that I can think of is Navy diver Bobby Stethem. (I'm not sure they kidnapped him, but they did kill him.)

For what looks like a pretty comprehensive list see:

http://www.usisrael.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html
Posted by: Matt || 02/10/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#15  For what purpose would a candidate, who is not even the "official" candidate of his party in THIS country, want to appease and make campaign promises to enemy nations?

Like Clinton and Gore taking campaign contributions from foreign nations / powers, this is the equivalent of selling out your own nation, aka treason.
Posted by: Unmutual || 02/10/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#16  nmutual

to be fair, Kerry did not write to the Tehran Times himself. A group of US citizens that may or may not be affiliated with Kerry wrote to the Tehran Times.

Kerry almost certainly did not make Iran a campaign promise since the mullahs don't have delegates (well, sympathizers maybe) at the Donk convention. If the Mullahs (or the French or the Belgians, etc.) want to donate to the Kerry campaign, they will have to do it indirectly through a American sympathizers (by the way, I'm willing to take the Mullah's money, I'll only keep a small retainer, like.. oh say 100%).
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#17  "John Kerry- and the rest of the Democratic Party along with him- IS Sistah Souljah now."

I am the democratic party. So is Joe Lieberman. So are many other liberal hawks. The sistah souljahs in the US are in ANSWER and so forth. theyre largely far leftists who hate the Dem party. The deaniac wing of the dem party is analogous to those Jesse Jackson suporters who, while not being rappers, were insulted that Clinton singled out sister souljah.

MHW - i dont care that Kerry panders to special interests - so did Clinton, and so does George (steel tariff, sugar tariff, need i go on just look at some conservative critiques of him) Bush. All pols do that - if you cant deal with it its time to grow up. I AM concerned that he show testicular fortitude on the key issue of the time - which isnt firing incompetent teachers, or prescription drugs, or gay marriage, or the steel tariff, or the Bush deficits. Its the war against a new form of fascism, which extends way beyond AQ, and whose ideas have sympathy across the muslim world. The things that Kerry needs to say will insult a lot of the dem base - and im NOT talking about the AFT, or the NEA, or the trial lawyers, or the Steel Workers, or the enviros. are there conflicts between them and some strategies in the WOT - yeah sure, can you say Alaska oil - but there are for Repub interests as well - can you say gas tax? Im talking about the 10 to 20% (?) of the US electorate that does think that Israel is mainly responsible for the problems in the mideast, and that therefore muslim hatred for the US is justified, and that therefore we shouldnt think of this as a war for freedom, and that we shouldnt try to democratize iraq or anywhere else, etc, etc. You know the type. If Kerry cant "sister souljah" them hes gonna have trouble - not only with folks like me (and with Dem donors who share my concerns) but with a large swath of the center - Bush and company can and will go after him on this if doesnt do the right thing.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#18  # 14 TWA flight 847 was hijacked on June 14, 1985, while it was en route from Athens to Rome. U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem, a passenger, was killed by Mohammad Ali Hamadei and thrown out the door to the tarmac. Hamadei was convicted by a German court in 1989.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#19  GK, thanks, and it turns out there's a guided missile destroyer named after him:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/rdstethe.htm

I remember being really pissed off at the time. And I still am.
Posted by: Matt || 02/10/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#20  That TWA Athens/Rome/New York flight which was hijacked in 1985 was one of the regular flights in and out for military and family members arriving in and departing from Greece. There were several Navy divers, including Robert Stethem, returning from a TDY, as well as some Army Reservists who happened to be traveling on their passports, rather than their orders and military ID cards. After the hijacking and Stethem's murder, those of us stationed in Europe were very heavily encouraged to aquire passports for travel, never display anything identifying yourself as American or military, and in the event of a hijacking--- hide the military ID card! As far as I'm concerned the WOT has been going on for 25 years.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 02/10/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#21  LH
You have given Kerry quite a challenge. He is on record as pandering to both Jewish groups and Arab groups (he condemns the fence but, with great nuance, does not say Israel must take it down or remove it).
If I were Kerry and I were planning to take LH's advice, I'd wait until it was too late for Nader or anyone credible to get on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate. Those 10-20% (your ??) of the electorate (or maybe its higher among the donks; do you think) whose core belief is Jew-hatred (sometime disguised as Israel hatred, sometimes not disguised) could ruin Kerry if he loses their vote to a 3rd party.
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#22  Kerry's activities by themself are a reason for me to not vote for the bum and to spread to as many people as I can his dishonor to his country and his unform his acts against our country when he returned. But hey that's just me ,ole Conservative rebel Bill the Dataman Nam 67-68.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||

#23  Let's hope Iran takes them up on it. I would really like to see this endorsement in the papers this fall.
Posted by: Jackal || 02/10/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||


Kerry won’t scare any of the big beasts
ELF
I thought of the advice when I caught Presidential candidate John Kerry, the Default Democrat, at one of his final campaign stops in New Hampshire. Unlike the noisily anti-war Howard Dean, Kerry has taken a different tack. The thinking seems to be that, on the war, George W Bush is the mountain lion and the Dems need to "do all you can to appear larger". When I first encountered him on the hustings last summer, Kerry was austere and patrician and all too obviously found electioneering a distasteful chore. He mentioned his service in Vietnam a lot, but only as biography. Now he implicitly contrasts his military record with George W Bush’s, and thereby to the war on terror. Mostly he does this through meaningless slogans. Everywhere he goes he intones portentously: "I know something about aircraft carriers for real." What does this mean? Does he own one? He’s certainly rich enough to afford one and, unlike the French, one that works.

But, of course, it doesn’t have to mean anything. It’s like the other catchphrases in his stump speech: "We band of brothers," he says, indicating his fellow veterans. "We’re a little older, we’re a little greyer, but we still know how to fight for this country." These lines are the equivalent of the guy in the woods raising his arms and opening his jacket: it’s a way of making a dull politician with no legislative accomplishments and two decades of shifty, flip-flop weathervane votes appear larger than he is. The Dems reckon that Bush is a single-issue candidate - he’s the war guy - and that, if Kerry can make himself appear larger on the national-security front, Bush’s single issue will cease to be an issue and the election will be fought on Democratic turf - healthcare, education, and so forth.

So far the strategy’s working. Kerry won three purple hearts in Vietnam, while Bush was either in the National Guard or, according to Michael Moore, a "deserter". This charge is easily rebutted, but once you start having to explain things the other guy’s won. What counts is not the fine print but the meta-narrative: Kerry was in South-East Asia, Bush was in the South-West United States. That makes Kerry seem "larger", which may be why the Bushies are waddling away from a fight on the issue.

But the idea that this puffs up Kerry to be the President’s equal on the new war is a more tortuous stretch. The only relevant lesson from Vietnam is this: then, as now, it was not possible for the enemy to achieve military victory over the US; their only hope was that America would, in effect, defeat itself. And few men can claim as large a role in the loss of national will that led to that defeat as John Kerry. A brave man in Vietnam, he returned home to appear before Congress and not merely denounce the war but damn his "band of brothers" as a gang of rapists, torturers and murderers led by officers happy to license them to commit war crimes with impunity. He spent the Seventies playing Jane Fonda and he now wants to run as John Wayne.

Vietnam was a "war of choice". But, once you chose to go in, there was no choice but to win. America’s failure of will had terrible consequences. The Seventies - the Kerry decade - was the only point in the Cold War in which the eventual result seemed in doubt. The Communists seized real estate all over the globe, in part because they calculated that the post-Vietnam, Kerrified America would never respond. In the final indignity, when the proto-Islamist regime in Teheran seized the embassy hostages, they too shrewdly understood how thoroughly Kerrified America was. It took Mrs Thatcher’s Falklands war and Reagan’s liberation of Grenada to reverse the demoralisation of the West that Kerry did so much to advance.

Senator Kerry has done a good job of enlarging himself but the reality is simple: George W Bush’s America has won two swift wars and overthrown two enemy regimes; John Kerry was heroic in a war that America lost and whose loss he celebrated. Since then he’s been a model lack-of-conviction politician. The question for anyone who thinks Kerry has "credibility" on national security is a simple one: who do you think Iran, North Korea, Syria, al-Qa’eda’s Saudi paymasters and the rogue elements in Pakistan’s ISI would prefer to see elected this November?

Those guys are the real dangerous beasts and you can bet that, unlike Democratic primary voters, they don’t think Kerry looms so large, with his endless deference to the UN and the French, and his view that the war on terror should be more a matter of "law enforcement" - subpoenas, the Hague, plea bargains. That’s as profound a mis-understanding as the fellow on page 70 of my book, raising his butt to the mountain lion. And that’s not a position most Americans will want to take.

Posted by: tipper || 02/10/2004 8:08:26 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "who do you think Iran, North Korea, Syria, al-Qa’eda’s Saudi paymasters and the rogue elements in Pakistan’s ISI would prefer to see elected this November?"

Re Saudis thats real hard to say, given that Bush has gone so easy on them for so long. Dont think it matters much to them. Ditto for ISI. WRT to Iran et al - not sure - Kerry might have greater cred to go against the mullahs there now - Bush will be forever dogged by the Iraq debate - but thats ONLY if Kerry is willing to be firm. IF he is (and im not sure he is), hes certainly not gonna say so NOW, when he still faces opposition in Dem primaries where too many naifs vote.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#2  There was just an email sent to the black turbans from Kerry's office pledging some sort of reconcilliation with Tehran. He licking their boots already, and he hasn't even won yet. To bad Leiberman is out - he was the ONLY Dem with any national security credibility to understand that any sign of backing off is the same thing as screaming that its open season on Americans.

Being a hero and coming back to call fellow soldiers murderers is lower than low. It amazes me that Kerry hasn't been called out on this.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 02/10/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  It was an email pleding reconciliation with all furriners - it was clearly aimed at papers like le monde and the Guardian - some bozo must have sent it to a list of foreign papers that included the Teheran Times. Stupid it may have been (like do WE need to take the initiative in reconciling with Chirac?) But the right wing bloggers have been completely misconstruing it.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#4  It amazes me that Kerry hasn't been called out on this.

Unlike Kerry shooting his wad now with respect to his military credentials vs. GWB's, that issue's best saved until after the conventions. Kerry's using his ammo too early in the campaign.
Posted by: Raj || 02/10/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#5  It was a press release from Kerry's office, but I think the original was from a group of ex-pats in phrawnce. They held their primary in a church in Paris, saw it on FoxNews.

---

LH, I wasn't aware that Kerry was running for president of the world. If the world wants W out, that alone makes me vote for W. I'm not so fond of their voices as they are, and I've been listening to them for over 20 years. Tune hasn't changed. Hate us, love our money.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#6  A2U - I didnt say it wasnt stupid, it was. Just that it was not an outreach to Iran in particular, which some are trying to make it out to be.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Clearly, the writer is only aware of the superficial differences between Kerry and Bush. Kerry is a "foreign policy expert with a long record of internationalism behind him, he can plausibly broaden the debate, demanding explanations for why Mr. Bush's foreign policy has left America so unpopular in so many corners of the world." (The Economist, Jan. 31) Although if the U.S.A. is looking out for its best interests, it would probably be better off with a war hero than a recovered alcoholic in the White House.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#8  I respect Kerry's combat record but that does not make him a foreign policy guru. On the contrary, Kerry voted against the F-15, Patriot Missile system, B-1, Tomahawk, Cruise missile program, and a list of other weapons programs we use on a daily basis as an extension of our foreign policy which = Kerry's an idiot.
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#9  Did Kerry vote for the Ted Kennedy SCUBA Supplemental Bill?
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||

#10  No. But he did vote to make flotation devices mandatory on 1968 Oldsmobile Delta 88's.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:28 Comments || Top||

#11  Kerry and his supporters think they are so celver with these charges against Bush and the NG.

In truth, the only thing he and his supporters are doing is defining the depth of the hole they must climb out of this fall.

2004 will be a great year for the right.
Posted by: badanov || 02/10/2004 20:54 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
’All-commando’ army planned
REGULAR infantry in the Australian army of the future will need to have skills required in the past only by commandos. The skills and independent ethos of the special forces needed to be spread more widely across the army so other units could be sent to fight the war on terror, Chief of Army Peter Leahy said. Regular and Reserve troops needed not only increased combat and field communication skills, but the training in languages and different cultures that helped special forces blend into hostile territory. Lieutenant-General Leahy told the National Press Club yesterday that Australian soldiers were as likely in the next decade to fight terrorist insurgencies, prop up failing nation states and provide disaster relief as they were to fight a conventional war. "Not only is warfare changing but the range of tasks that the army may be required to perform is also expanding rapidly," Gen Leahy said. "Putting it bluntly, the nation state has lost its near monopoly on the ability to wage war. Now a wide range of actors, from criminal gangs through issue-motivated groups to terrorists with global reach, means violence has proliferated, dispersed and become more deadly."

The army is understood to be examining establishing a second mechanised brigade, which would greatly increase Australia’s ability to send troops overseas. The Army Reserve’s role is likely to be expanded to take on a new role: providing security for the headquarters of deployed forces. Also under consideration is establishing a specialist Reserve unit of "nation builders" involving engineers, architects and aid workers to help rehabilitate communities affected by fighting or regional conflict. The moves already build on the Government’s broader effort to expand the number of special forces by 300 and develop a Reserve Ready Response Force to respond to terrorist attacks and protect infrastructure vulnerable to attack. General Leahy said that too much of the burden of recent deployments, such as in Afghanistan and Iraq, had fallen on a small portion of the land force -- namely the special forces and support combat units. "Our units will need to rapidly transition between civic aid and humanitarian tasks and war fighting," General Leahy said. "This is going to require cultural change of an unprecedented order. The sorts of (skills) that spring to mind are more diverse language and cultural skills, detailed knowledge of the rules of armed conflict and discretion in the use of force. We have already seen the development of the Ready Response Force for domestic security in the war on terror ... in the future I hope to introduce proposals for other units to assist in the reinforcement and rotation of regular units (on deployment)."
Posted by: tipper || 02/10/2004 8:59:06 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's smart by the aussies. It costs shitloads less to overtrain light infantry than it does even OWNING a few armored divisions.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 02/10/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||

#2  The more I read about the Aussies, the more heartened I am that they are our steadfast allies in this global war. Even before Bali, they, almost more than the UK, were in for a pound with us. I am grateful for John Howard's leadership and the service and sacrifice of our Anglospheric partners (even though we were not able to count on Canada in Iraq, they have helped us out in Afghanistan). I think Pres. Bush would be wise to expand our training, coordination and cooperation with the Aussies. From everything I have read, their SAS and SBS-types are outstanding soldiers and tough SOBs. What is it about liberal Western democracies that create such outstanding soldiers?
Posted by: Tibor || 02/10/2004 21:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, the actual, deployable Australian armed forces are tiny. Besides the special forces I believe there are no more than 6 battalion-size units that can be sent abroad, and their equipment is quite obsolete.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 21:43 Comments || Top||

#4  What is it about liberal Western democracies that create such outstanding soldiers?

Enlightened self-interest. We're all part of the solution - and you can be a brainiac, or just a strong arm; still you're key to the whole equation. Everyone stands to benefit, and everyone has a part to play.

-Vic
Posted by: Vic || 02/10/2004 21:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Australia wouldn't be a terrible place to move our heavy forces out of Korea. Let those ingrates stew in their own puddle of sh*t.

Something to think about.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 02/10/2004 22:11 Comments || Top||


"www.battalioncommandersonline.mil" -- fighting a war by laptop
from Strategy Page, EFL

. . . [Iraq] was a battalion commanders war. The only valuable things the combat battalion commanders wanted from their superiors were ammo and fuel, and information. The "intelligence" (information), as usual, didn’t get down to the battalion commanders fast enough to be useful. But the battalion commanders had "Blue Force Tracker," a laptop based computer program that showed them on the screen where all friendly troops were (via a transmitter all small units had, that sent info to a satellite, and then down to the Blue Force Tracker equipped laptops.) This gave the battalion commanders important information on where friendly troops were, and using instant messaging build into Blue Force Tracker, they could quickly exchange information on the enemy with nearby friendly units. Thus the battalion commanders didn’t have to rely on intelligence from above. So the battalion commanders just fought their way forward. The only orders they got from above were what general direction to go in and where they could find the fuel and ammo trucks they needed resupply from in order to keep moving and fighting. The brigade and division commanders were smart enough to see what worked, and pretty much left the battalion commanders to take care of the war.

The next war will be a little different. The army is installing the other components of the "battlefield Internet" that Blue Force Tracker was only a part of. The complete system will enable a senior commander to instantly see where all his people are and reports showing the latest information on enemy troops (red icons on the same screen, along with all the blue "friendly" ones). No one yet knows how senior commanders will deal with that degree of control. The information on enemy troop locations will probably be pretty accurate, because battalions and companies will have their own mini-UAVs, which will provide more information on what’s in front of friendly battalions. In the past, the senior commanders would have everyone halt while information on enemy and friendly positions was examined and a plan prepared. But the 2003 campaign showed that you can make more progress if you just let the battalion commanders size up the situation in front of them and act immediately.

The good news is that in 2003, the brigade and division commanders trusted their battalion commanders and let them fight the battle as they saw fit. But that was because the battalion commanders had better information, thanks to Blue Force Tracker, than ever before. Will the senior brass trust the battalion commanders again? Probably. But that could change. Some senior commanders are tempted by this unprecedented amount of information, and every division commander is tempted to run the battalions again. The battlefield Internet system, in theory, allows them to do that. We won’t know how this will play out until the next major campaign comes along.
Posted by: Mike || 02/10/2004 6:50:14 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  loose lips sink ships
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 7:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Does anyone seriously think that the generals won't meddle? The only reason they stayed out of it last time was because they lacked the ability to micromanage. Generals are rated for promotion on the performance of their units, and if any general is willing in any way to let his promotability suffer in the slightest, he wouldn't be a general.
Posted by: gromky || 02/10/2004 7:35 Comments || Top||

#3  What a concept. It brought to mind Tom Clancy and Gen Fred Franks book "Into the Storm: A Study in Command". That book revealed problems that III Army had in keeping up with the exact positions of VII Corps' battle fighting units. With this new technology, it would not have been such a problem.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 7:52 Comments || Top||

#4  B. , similar thought occurred to me.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 7:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Not only is this stuff being deployed, West Point cadets are being exposed to it in the classroom for some hands-on experience. They now must take a minimum of 2 information technology / networking classes, no matter what they major in ... among other things, as juniors they now construct, configure and secure an entire wireless LAN using off-the-shelf components.

The cadet club for information assurance / information warfare is the largest at the Academy & the annual inter-academy info warfare contest is set up and judged by the NSA. The Army has tended to win these - the first year, they surprised NSA by managing to break into their monitoring servers. ;-)

This system is just the first step in a very broad deployment of the battlefield tactical network. Watch what will happen as tactical UAVs are deployed at the battalion and lower levels shortly ... commanders being able to send them out for their own recon, results shared widely, .... and UAVs in some cases being armed.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm REALLY glad these guys are the good guys!
Posted by: Hyper || 02/10/2004 23:44 Comments || Top||

#7  This is transformation.

This will never be used in combat as long as we never get involved in a land war in Asia. What organized military force would go up against guys with this stuff? Only somebody smart enough to hack it.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 02/10/2004 23:58 Comments || Top||


Army to keep troops in one place longer
Army officials unveiled plans Monday to keep first-term soldiers in their units for more than twice as long as they do now, a move they say will hone units better for combat while providing more stability for soldiers’ families. Under the plan, called "home-basing," soldiers will remain in their first assignments as long as seven years, if they re-enlist, instead of the current three-year average. That means new privates could expect to stay at the same post until they reach the rank of staff sergeant and serve as squad leaders. Freshly commissioned lieutenants would remain until they make captain and serve as company commanders or equivalents. It also means soldiers would be in their assignments long enough to purchase homes; they would be able to keep their children in the same schools longer and could establish other roots in the community.
Assuming you get a decent assignment, that's great. One of the reasons I retired as soon as I had my 20 in was that I'd never been one place long enough to own a house.
"The focus of this program," said Brig. Gen. Sean J. Byrne, the Army’s director of personnel policy, "is to increase readiness and stability for the fighting force and predictability for family members." Byrne said more young soldiers were married and had families than ever before. The measure comes as the Army is reorganizing its 10 divisions to boost the number of combat brigades from 33 to 48 over the next few years. Byrne said the Army intended to use the home-basing measure as part of a broader effort beginning next September to staff the new brigades and to even out troop rotations in existing ones. Under that plan, called "unit-focused stability," new soldiers would arrive in a brigade at the same time and remain there three years, an average first enlistment. They would remain in that brigade if they re-enlist.
I'd guess there's a provision to re-enlist for someplace else, if the Army's okay but the post isn't someplace the troops wants to be...
In units returning from Iraq, soldiers set to leave the service would be discharged 90 to 120 days after they get home. The newly returned brigade then would undergo intensive training for five to six months, until its soldiers are ready for deployment. It would be considered in a "high state of readiness" for about the next 30 months, with the goal of keeping the entire unit together for about three years, Byrne said. Soldiers could expect to deploy once for six to 12 months during the three-year period, or the unit’s "operational cycle." At the end of three years, a batch of fresh soldiers would replace those whose enlistments were coming to an end. A certain percentage of soldiers could be expected to re-enlist and remain in the unit, Byrne said.
I think that's how they did it in the 1930s...
Most Army units now are manned through the use of an individual replacement system, which means that about 13 percent of the Army’s 480,000 active-duty soldiers are in transition from one place to another at any given time. Byrne said Army officials thought the new measure would help build "stability and cohesion" throughout a given unit, from the lowest to the highest levels. "If you go down to a rifle battalion, and if you can keep that squad or that platoon together, so that you know what the guy’s going to do on your right or your left, that makes you a better soldier," Byrne said. "You have more confidence in your unit and you have more confidence in your leaders. You basically know who they are, so that when they tell you their intent, you know how to operate."
Interesting. Comments?
Posted by: Steve White || 02/10/2004 1:57:44 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Being able tkeep your family in one place instead of moving every couple of years will go along way toward reducing family friction and help with retention,too.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 7:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Good to see that the Ary is finnaly catching up with the Air Force! The Air Force program is called "Homesteading" and works very well.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 02/10/2004 8:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Everything old is new again. This is the way things used to be, people stayed in one unit for a long time and built up unit cohesion. Then the pencil pushers decided that moving people around would give them a wider breath of experience and put limits on how long you could remain in one place. It was very disruptive, especially to families. This move back to homebasing is a good thing.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||

#4  I served for roughly 26 years, combined active, reserve, and "other". During that time, I made 16 major moves and pulled about a half-dozen temporary duty assignments. The longest I ever stayed anywhere was 4 1/2 years. And I was Air Force!

This is a nice concept, but I'm not sure it's workable as it's designed. We have too many major commitments worldwide, each with its own requirements and needs. I'd much rather see the Army designate four or five stateside bases and an equal number of National Guard and Reserve units to be a "block", and move the regiments and brigades of that block where they're needed, as a unit. It would take some strong logistic planning, but we could swap out the 37,000 soldiers in Korea in three 12,000+ unit segments, leaving two units with experience while the third gets up to snuff. I could also see remaining with a given division or corps for an entire career, but not a single unit. There would be a need for some minor adjustments of personnel, based on mission and manpower needs.

I think the Army's trying to do what it can to make life in today's military easier - I'm just not sure the current plan will work that well to meet the needs of both the Army and its people.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/10/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#5  OP,

Make no mistake, this is being done for the Army, not its people. It's woprkable, because it was how the Army worked before WWII as some member of the Army of Steve pointed out.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 02/11/2004 0:02 Comments || Top||


Osamanauts en route to the US, setting up sleeper cells
Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan and Kashmir as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to "sleeper cells" in the United States. Intelligence and law-enforcement officials say dozens of Islamic extremists have already been routed through Europe to Muslim communities in the United States, based on secret intelligence data and information from terrorists and others detained by U.S. authorities. A high-ranking foreign intelligence chief told The Washington Times in an interview last week that this clandestine but aggressive network of training camps "represents a serious threat to the United States, one that cannot be ignored." The official said as many as 400 terrorists have been and are being trained at camps in Pakistan and Kashmir. U.S. intelligence officials said the camps, located in the remote regions of western Pakistan and in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, are financed in part by various terrorist networks, including al Qaeda, and by sources in Saudi Arabia.

Pakistani Ambassador Ashraf Jehangir Qazi denied in an interview that terrorist camps are operating in his country, including the remote regions of western Pakistan or in Kashmir. "We have never accepted the allegation that there were training camps here, not now, not ever," Mr. Qazi told The Times. "These allegations have persisted despite our repeated denials. I assure you there is absolutely no reason to believe that any terrorist camps exist in Pakistan or Kashmir."

Al Qaeda sleeper cells are believed to be operating in 40 states, according to the FBI and other federal authorities, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks in the United States. Financed in part by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations, the cells use Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers. Last month, Pakistan and India announced a new round of peace talks on Kashmir, in which Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, the target of two recent assassination attempts, said Pakistan had agreed "not to allow the use of Pakistan’s territory anywhere in the world" for terrorism. But U.S. and foreign intelligence authorities said terrorist training camps have been documented in some of western Pakistan’s remote areas and in the disputed regions of Kashmir, and that military officials and others in the Musharraf government have not fully disassociated themselves from al Qaeda or the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Some U.S. officials have privately expressed concern that members of Pakistan’s intelligence community have assisted in the concealment of al Qaeda members and associates.

In December, the government of India said terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Kashmir that had been closed after the September 11 attacks on the United States had been reactivated, mostly along the disputed border area near the so-called Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir. The Indian government said its army had photographs and other evidence of ongoing terrorist training, much of which was turned over to U.S. officials. That information included satellite photos and communication intercepts, U.S. law- enforcement authorities said, that documented 60 to 70 camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir as well as in Pakistan. One veteran U.S. law-enforcement official with an extensive history in counterterrorism said many of the training camps in the Pakistan-controlled regions of Kashmir are operated by the Harakat ul-Ansar, an Islamic militant group tied to bin Laden. Several other camps are being operated by an anti-U.S. Muslim group known as Lashkar-e-Taiba, according to U.S. and foreign intelligence officials. Listed by the State Department in 2001 as a terrorist organization, Lashkar-e-Taiba is the armed wing of the Pakistan-based religious organization Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad.
Wash Times is behind the times. They've been Jamaat ad-Dawa for the past couple years.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:45:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan and Kashmir as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to "sleeper cells" in the United States, according to U.S. and foreign officials.

This is probably a Lashkar-e-Taiba operation, they are the most internationalist Pak group, since they are Salafis, while most other Jihadis are Deobandis, a sect with little presence outside South Asia. The LeT is also the most capable, because it has been around for over a decade, while the Deobandi outfits are constantly splitting up and merging and having leadership disputes etc.

One veteran U.S. law-enforcement official with an extensive history in counterterrorism said many of the training camps in the Pakistan-controlled regions of Kashmir are operated by the Harakat ul-Ansar, an Islamic militant group tied to bin Laden.

I don't know what this guy is smoking, the Harakat ul-Ansar ceased to exist over 5 years ago. It's Pakistani cadre has mostly been absorbed by Masood Azhar's Jaish-e-Mohammad, while much of it's international presence is now affiliated with Harkat ul Jihad Islami (HuJI). The latter group would also be a prime suspect in training sleeper cells for overseas operations.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/10/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Keep mind that names are a rather fluid thing with Pakistani jihadi orgs. My guess is that the HuJI is what the official in question was referring to.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 1:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, I guess so. For that matter, both Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad go by different names now too.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 02/10/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#4  "Osamanauts" -- LOL! The true explorers of the 7th century!
Posted by: Steve White || 02/10/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#5  "that documented 60 to 70 camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir as well as in Pakistan."

Sounds like a job for Spirit and Nighthawk,plausable deniability don't ya know.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 8:01 Comments || Top||

#6  Nothing like a beautiful spring offensive in Pakistan.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#7  "Osamanaut", ANON!, whe have picked a nick for youou!!
Posted by: Evert Visser || 02/10/2004 13:49 Comments || Top||


Warsame taught jihadis English, fought with the Taliban
A man accused of providing support to Al Qaeda trained in martial arts and with weapons, taught English to Al Qaeda members and joined the Taliban front lines, according to an FBI affidavit. Terror suspect Mohammed Warsame, 30, twice saw combat with front line units of the Taliban while in Afghanistan and once sat next to Usama bin Laden at a meal, said the affidavit, which investigators said was based on interviews with Warsame. "The defendant stated that bin Laden was very inspirational," according to the affidavit.
Inspired him right into jug, didn't he?
Prosecutors argued Monday that Warsame, a Somali with Canadian citizenship, is a flight risk and should remain in jail while his court case proceeds. U.S. Magistrate Judge Franklin Noel ordered him held without bail pending trial. Warsame pleaded innocent Monday to a single charge of providing support to a terrorist organization, but otherwise did not speak. Investigators say he has acknowledged traveling to Terror Central Pakistan and Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001. In early 2001, they say, Warsame asked Al Qaeda for money to move his family to Afghanistan. According to the affidavit, an Al Qaeda leader instead paid for Warsame’s airplane ticket back to North America, and gave him $1,700 in travel money.
That would imply his skills were of more use in North America — they had enough cannon fodder in Afghanistan...
Warsame admitted he later wired money to people he had met in the training camps. Dan Scott, Warsame’s public defender, argued that his client should be freed because he has strong ties to Minnesota through his wife and 5-year-old daughter and was not a risk to leave the country. Scott also rejected the idea that Warsame is an active Al Qaeda member.
"Of course he's not an active al-Qaeda member! He's a sleeper!"
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:02:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
Opec announces surprise oil output reduction
The Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries on Monday promised to slash 10 per cent of its output by April, in a bid to prop up prices ahead of the summer, when demand in its largest markets falls steeply. The powerful 11-country oil cartel, meeting in Algiers on Monday, resolved to stop cheating on its 24.5m barrel a day quota immediately, a move which would cut output by 1.5m barrels a day.
we’ll see how long that lasts
Opec’s 10 active members - Iraq’s struggling industry is not subject to the quota - then intend to reduce their quota on April 1 by a further 1m barrels a day to 23.5m. Much of the reduction would have to come from Saudi Arabia, the group’s biggest and most influential member. The decision pushed oil prices higher, with Nymex crude, the US benchmark, jumping 72 cents to $33.55 a barrel by midday in New York and IPE Brent, the European benchmark, rising 73 cents to trade at $29.84. "This decision is preemptive action against a fall in prices," said Obaid bin Saif Al-Nasseri, United Arab Emirates energy minister. Opec is worried about a short-term price collapse as the winter comes to an end in the US and Europe - the largest importers of oil. Demand for oil drops substantially between April and June as heating oil is no longer needed.
They’re also terrified as Iraqi production approaches its level under Saddam - and potentially goes way beyond that.
The production cut comes despite the fact that oil prices have in recent months been consistently above Opec’s preferred range of $22-28 a barrel, although this was defined before the dollar’s steep decline. "The price now is high, but do you know what the price will be in April, May, June?" said Ali Naimi, Saudi Arabia’s energy minister. "Should we wait until we have a crash and then work like we did last time? In 1998 it took us almost two years to get things back to normal." According to the International Energy Agency, the developed world’s energy watchdog, demand for Opec’s oil would plunge to 23.3m barrels a day during that time. The IEA estimated Opec - including Iraq - produced nearly 29m barrels a day in December, the highest level since March 2001. When Opec meets in Vienna on March 31 it could reverse its decision if it finds demand and oil prices remain high, delegates said. Mr Al-Nasseri said: "If prices stay at current levels or if they go higher, we would reconsider."

The US, the world’s largest consumer of oil, reacted cautiously. "It is our hope that producers do not take actions that undermine the American economy and American workers, and American consumers for that matter," said Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman. So far, high oil prices have shown little sign of holding back the US economic recovery. Analysts said the impact of Monday’s announcement is expected to be further limited by the fact that Opec members desperate for revenue are unlikely to adhere to all the cuts the cartel announced. Oil prices have hovered above $30 a barrel in part because large funds have continued to buy oil as Iraq struggles to return to the market, storage levels in major consuming countries remain low and demand from the US and China grows at a faster rate than expected. Josh Sadler, vice-president of energy trading for Societé Générale, said in a report that Opec’s aim may have been to reassure investors. "Even if the practical reality of such a cut is complicated, the psychological effect is certain."
true enough - the lower dollar has been affecting derivative securities in a variety of commodities. And since oil is priced in $$, a lower $$ means less purchasing power to OPEC sellers.
Posted by: rkb || 02/10/2004 4:35:51 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get them Iraqi pumps going and start disributing the wealth to the Iraqis. Money always works.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#2  if oil is involved you can bet chainey is to
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Halliburton is working with a fixed margin as anyone would be. Overcharges will be rectified. Take a prozac or whatever and relax a little. Big business will go on in spite of this crap.
Hell this is good if Iraqi oil production goes up. Who said oil ain't grand.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Gee, y'think Iraq might ignore OPEC's quota system?
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#5  The proof is in the pudding. If oil prices go to $40, we'll know they've cut production. If not, we're seeing more of a long tradition of cheating by OPEC members.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/10/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#6  The Russians will stand to profit from any OPEC supply cuts,as they've done in the past.Watch for Putin to milk his leverage with the West before that,however.
Posted by: El Id || 02/10/2004 18:05 Comments || Top||


Russian Envoy: U.N. Credibility Intact
The credibility of the United Nations remains intact and may even have been strengthened since the Iraq war because the reports of U.N. weapons inspectors have now been confirmed by U.S. search teams, Russia’s U.N. envoy said Monday night.
He hasn’t spoken with many of my neighbors apparently.
A year after Secretary of State Colin Powell put the U.S. case for war against Iraq to a bitterly divided Security Council, countries that supported the war and countries that did not are all pressing for the United Nations to play a central vital role in rebuilding Iraq, Ambassador Sergey Lavrov said. "This fact testifies to the U.N. credibility being still there - and maybe even strengthened," he told a news conference.
Being the Russians are a nation of chess players, I would have counted on better logic than this.
Last year, Powell’s arguments failed to convince the Security Council, which refused to authorize the war against Iraq. France, Russia and Germany led the opposition, and in the weeks and months that followed some politicians and pundits predicted that the United Nations would become irrelevant.
They’re almost right on that point,the UN has NEVER been relevant.
But Lavrov said "as far as U.N. credibility is concerned ... I would say that it did not suffer."
You never had any, ask anyone from Rwanada, better yet ask the Iraqi’s.
He said Russia and many other Security Council members relied on the conclusions of U.N. weapons inspectors, who returned to Iraq in November 2002 and reported to the council that Iraq had finally started to cooperate fully and had provided immediate access to sites. "Through this Iraqi cooperation, the inspectors were allowed to establish quite a number of facts, but basically confirming that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and no signs of a resumption of weapons of mass destruction programs which had existed before the 1991 Gulf War," Lavrov said.
But the capacity to produce them was always there,at the very least.
"The search teams employed by the (U.S.-led) coalition in the past few months basically came to the same conclusion," he told a news conference. Last month, David Kay, the former CIA special adviser on Iraqi weapons who led the U.S. hunt for banned Iraqi weapons, said "we were almost all wrong" about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.
I think david Kay also mentioned that Saddam was much more dangerous than we could have imagined.
"We were relying on the conclusions and the opinion of the inspectors who were saying that given two or three more months, they’d be able to give us some kind of definite report," Lavrov said. "We trusted the inspectors - and they so far have not been proven to be wrong." He said the U.N.’s credibility "was proven by the fact" that U.N. nuclear, chemical, biological and long-range missile inspectors "were reporting objectively," he said.
I still don’t think that the UN weapons inspectors could find their ass with both hands.
I believe the UN brings peace and security to the world, a forum for nations to work out their differences.

I believe Santa Claus brings toys to good little boys and girls at Christmas, that the Tooth Fairy will leave a dime under my pillow if one of my teeth falls out, that the Easter Bunny brings colored eggs, that the Birthday Boar Hog will bring me toys on my birthday, and that the oil for food program saved starving Iraqis. I believe in angels, Clintons, fairies, Kofi, elves, Chris Patten, leprechauns, pixies, brownies, Howard Dean, and trolls. Each day brings new wonders into my life...
Posted by: JerseyMike || 02/10/2004 7:04:34 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  UNSC Resolution 1441 was passed -- 15-0 with Russia voting YEA -- under Chapter VII of the UN Charter which authorized the use of FORCE by UN member states to bring the target nation into compliance. UNSC Resolution 1441 further explicitly promised SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES -- defined for all Council members as the use of FORCE -- for the failure of the Saddamite regime to immediately, proactively and unconditionally comply with the terms of UNSC Resolution 1441. PM Blair -- after failure to win a resolution stating Saddam had not complied with UNSC Resolution 1441 -- told the House of Commons his team of international law experts had determined USSC Resolution 1441 was all the authority needed to use FORCE to conduct free and unfettered inspections in Iraq proper. Member states which upheld the "honor" of the UN by enforcing UNSC Resolution 1441 gave a victory to that "august" international body. Conversely, Russia slithered away from her international obligations under UNSC Resolution 1441 and by doing so soiled her panties.
Posted by: Garrison || 02/10/2004 7:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, if that's the case, then I think Putin should let Kofi handle the Chechen crisis - no?

"He said Russia and many other Security Council members relied on the conclusions of U.N. weapons inspectors who returned to Iraq in November 2002 to distribute their free barrels of oil and reported to the council that Iraq had finally started to cooperate fully and had provided immediate access to sites."

Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 7:41 Comments || Top||

#3  if that's the case, then I think Putin should let Kofi handle the Chechen crisis - no?

Well said!
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 8:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Si'Hefe.
Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#5  ONE BILLION barrels...
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe Putin forgot about the leader of Guini who chose to consult his psychic friend to decide the proper fate of Sadaam. The Butcher of Baghdad's future depended on whether the gullet contained an even or an odd number of pebbles and whether Chicken Little ate bugs for breakfast or opted for the salad bar.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Maybe the Guinean leader can pass along Dionne Warwick's phone number to Putin as a gesture of goodwill....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#8  and no signs of a resumption of weapons of mass destruction programs which had existed before the 1991 Gulf War," Lavrov said.

Not true: Kay's group found evidence of WMD programs in a semi-dormant state that the UN inspectors missed, and that were calculated to implement a fast-restart capability. There was an active missile program that even the inspectors caught.
Posted by: Ptah || 02/10/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#9  No, I suppose the UN's credibility did NOT suffer; the meter bottoms out at zero.
Posted by: Jackal || 02/10/2004 20:08 Comments || Top||

#10  a new blog maybe? www.iraniansforkerry.com

Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 20:41 Comments || Top||


U.N. Work in Iraq Going Well, Annan Says
The work of a U.N. team now in Iraq to study whether elections can be held before the U.S.-led coalition hands over power to Iraqis "is going extremely well," Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Monday.
They’re doomed. Doomed!
The team arrived in Baghdad on Saturday, and Annan said they have met with the U.S.-led coalition and the Iraqi Governing Council, and were now holding separate meetings with individual council members. "They are reaching out and are open to talk to as many groups as possible," he said. "So far so good. The atmosphere has been good. They’ve been well-received and there’s been very good and frank discussions," Annan said. "I think the work of the team is going extremely well."
It’d be nice if the UN could get one thing right in all this.
The current U.S. plan is to choose legislators in regional caucuses, a move opposed by the country’s most powerful Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-Sistani, who wants direct elections. During the team’s talks with the council on Sunday, Sunni Muslim Arabs echoed the U.S. view that early elections were not practical because of the need for extensive preparations to ensure a fair and credible ballot.
And because they’d lose their shirts, and know it.
Most of the Shiite members favored an early vote, arguing that sufficient data was available to guarantee an acceptable election.
"Why yes, we’d be happy to get 70% of the votes and let our Kurd buddies have another 20%."
The secretary-general said the team, led by his personal adviser Lakhdar Brahimi, is operating on the assumption that the U.S.-led coalition will transfer power by June 30, as called for in its Nov. 15 agreement with the Iraqi Governing Council. But he reiterated that "if the parties were to agree to other arrangements I think it would be difficult to reject it. We will have to consider it."
Just opened a door that we might not want open.
U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte stressed, however, the importance of sticking to the June 30 hand over. "We are very committed to the June 30 deadline," he said. "This is a date of the utmost importance to us."
"So quit trying to jiggle our elbow!"
Annan said he expects the team to remain in Iraq "for as long as they can stand it about a week or so." "Obviously, they will have to run away come to New York to catch up on some good meals finalize their report and enjoy a fine port give their conclusions to me to ignore study, and then I will sit on it convey my disrespect conclusions to the people I hate most in Iraq CPA and the people second on my list Iraqi Governing Council," he said. Annan said he needs to give the report to the Governing Council later this month "to factor the decision into their end of February deadline for completion of the basic law" which the Iraqis are drafting to govern the transition. Asked whether the United States will abide by the U.N. findings, Negroponte said, "Certainly these views are going to be weighed with the utmost seriousness."
"But they ain't in charge. They'll never be in charge! They'd lose money running an ice cream stand in Hell!"
Annan said he chose Brahimi - a veteran Algerian diplomat - to head the mission because it "was technical but also intensely political and highly charged" and he wanted someone with extensive diplomatic experience.
And who knows the electoral process better than an Algerian?
Negroponte said the United States had made clear it would welcome Brahimi’s involvement, but added that the decision to send Brahimi was the secretary-general’s, not Washington’s.
"We suspect he’s ucky."
Posted by: Steve White || 02/10/2004 1:50:34 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As the USA which has a strong democratic tradition believes it detrimental to hold direct elections anytime soon, one can be absolutely certain Kofi will declare, "Direct elections could have and should have been held yesterday. Let's get this show on the road. There will be direct elections in 72 hours. And may our good friends in Iraq's only organized political party -- Saddam's Arab Ba'athist Socialist Party -- achieve a great victory for the UN and Jacque Chiraq. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE--AAAAAAAAAAH!"
Posted by: Garrison || 02/10/2004 6:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Knowing Algeria like I do, I wonder what Brahimi's price tag is? How will we make the deposit and will we be outbid by France and Germany in this "recommendation" market.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 02/10/2004 6:47 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL Garrison... Perhaps if Kerry wins Dr. Dean will be sent to the UN.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 7:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Brahimi was the UN rep in Afghanistan, where he did a very good job, praised by the Bush admin. The Bush admin specifically asked that he be the one to go to Baghdad - hes old, and didnt want to go - WE pushed for it.

And why shouldnt the UN be involved - they do have experience organizating elections and reconstructing states. Their success is mixed, to be sure, but this is not an easy task - i wouldnt expect complete success everywhere. The principle reason for opposing UN control was and IS the fear that UN control would come to be manipulated by the UNSC - specifically France and Russia - as long as the UNSC is kept to specific tasks, and we have a hand in the negotiations, and its clear that either elections or caucuses are acceptable to the US and dont advance an anti-US agenda, i see no problem with the UN offering their "good offices"
Am i surprised that the Shia would see the UN as offering better "good offices" than the US? Well yeah, but then its quite possible that they are better than some here at distinguishing between a Brahimi and the manipulators on the UNSC. Its also a fact that Sistani is trying to assuage the minority within the Shia who lean toward al Sadr - and that he himself has weighed the costs and benefits, and sees the UN as useful in gaining cred with the minority that trusts the US less than the UN, and while leaving the US ultimately in charge.

Also dont forget - while we here go on and on about how the UN protected Saddam - the Shia remember 1991 - when they rose up, and almost had Saddam out, if only we would have stopped his helicopters from flying, but we betrayed them, preferring stability and the status quo. They have good reason to distrust us, and to wonder if we arent about to subject them to Sunnis and ex-Baathists again. Indeed, my sense is that there are some folks at Foggy Bottom and Langley who would gladly do so.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 9:02 Comments || Top||

#5  They have good reason to distrust us, and to wonder if we arent about to subject them to Sunnis and ex-Baathists again. Indeed, my sense is that there are some folks at Foggy Bottom and Langley who would gladly do so.

You left out the DNC.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 9:08 Comments || Top||

#6  The DNC is a group of fundraisers, essentially, not a foreign policy organization. I doubt many of them even know clearly who is who in Iraq - unlike State and CIA, who know quite well. Among the Dems Joe would have been more forceful on this than Bush is - but my party doesnt have enough good people to nominate a Joe. Edwards has an advisor out of the Hoover Institute named Larry Diamond, who "gets it" - but theres no guarantee what role he would have in an Edwards admin - which is in any case unlikely. Im not clear who Kerrys advisors are - i am troubled indeed by rhetoric from him indicating deference to the French.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#7  U.N. Work in Iraq Going Well, Annan Says

At least until UN personnel are targeted again.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
The secret war against al-Qaeda
The BBC finds links between al-Qaeda and Algerians. I guess it must be true, the BBC doesn’t lie:
The West has never encountered an enemy like al-Qaeda before. The problem for the world’s intelligence agencies is that it is not a unified organisation with an identifiable structure, like the IRA, but an amalgam of groups around the world whose members embrace Osama bin Laden’s ideology of hatred global jihad, or holy war. These Jihadi warriors share the belief that they have an obligation to fight the oppressors of their Muslim brothers, from Palestinians in the Middle East to Muslims in Chechnya. And to all Jihadis, the chief oppressor is the United States, a nation they regard as the "Great Satan". A detailed examination of the Algerian terror network in Europe illustrates the enormity of the intelligence task. The initial breakthrough came over Christmas 2000 when the German equivalent of the SAS burst in on a flat in Frankfurt. They arrested four men and uncovered an arsenal with bomb-making chemicals, weapons, cloned credit cards and false documents.
Yup, that’ll be them.
The men were all finally convicted of plotting to bomb Strasbourg. What was believed to be a reconnaissance video was found in the flat, its most prominent feature a lingering sequence on that city’s famous Christmas market. That, investigators believed, was the intended target. If the bomb had gone off, there would have been carnage. The four prisoners were Algerians whom German investigators refer to as unaligned mujahideen, rather than al-Qaeda members.
They're called Takfiri, followers of Takfir wal-Hijra. I believe that's the Arabic word for "homicidal maniac," but as with swords, there are so many terms to describe the same thing...
Nevertheless, according to David Veness, the head of Scotland Yard’s counter-terrorism unit, this Algerian network has been "a key dimension of the al-Qaeda agenda within western Europe".
Takfiri represent cannon fodder, cheap and easily replaced...
When I interviewed the Frankfurt cell’s alleged ringleader, Salim Boukari, in a German top security prison, he said he did not want to talk about the 11 September attacks or Osama bin Laden. He said he was a Mujad - a holy warrior.
"I just like killing infidels. Gets me off, y'know?"
Boukari had been living in England on and off for almost 10 years and another of the plotters, Lamine Maroni, had been living in Sheffield as an asylum seeker. MI5 and Special Branch appeared to know next to nothing about them and both had got under the wire. Working closely together, Europe’s intelligence agencies began to piece the complex network together. The French had bitter experience of Algerian Islamic extremists, and had fought them for many years after their offshoots had carried out a series of bombings in Paris and Lille in the mid-90s. The intelligence built up over this period by the French proved invaluable.
I’ll give them that.
The role of the UK’s MI5 and Special Branch was also crucial since many Algerian extremists had sought refuge in London after the crackdown in France. The centre of the network was believed to be in London.
Been a lot of "North Africans" arrested there.
Investigators were even more alarmed when they discovered that its tentacles crossed the Atlantic to Canada and the US, where cells had been planning to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on Millennium Eve, 1999. The would-be bomber, another Algerian, Ahmed Ressam, who trained in Afghanistan, was arrested and the plot was foiled just in time.
We got very lucky.
But was the hand of al-Qaeda behind the network? What appeared to be conclusive proof came from Italian intelligence agents who intercepted a phone call from Milan to Afghanistan. It was made by a suspected Egyptian terrorist, Es Sayed, who had fled to Italy. He’s believed to have been calling Abu Zubaydah, one of al-Qaeda’s senior military commanders and the holder of the keys to the Afghan training camps. Italian intelligence concludes that Es Sayed had been sent to Europe by al-Qaeda to radicalise and recruit young Muslims for Osama bin Laden’s holy war. Es Sayed is subsequently thought to have been killed fighting for the Taleban.
Is there a body?
The problem for the intelligence agencies is that they’re now dealing with an enemy that has restructured in response to the setback it has suffered. It now operates in autonomous cells that can change shape and tactics at will. Finding and neutralising them before they can strike is even more difficult. And the greatest fear is that a suicide bomber, a lone wolf, will emerge. As David Veness chillingly warns, an attack on the UK is not a matter of if but when. I asked him how long the war would last. "Years," he said.
At least.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 4:19:55 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The four prisoners were Algerians whom German investigators refer to as unaligned mujahideen, rather than al-Qaeda members.

As Rantburgers have pointed out more than once, it is utterly childish to see the WoT as ALL about fighting this single thing, AQ-- even more childish to think it's all about capturing one man, OBL.
Posted by: wuzzalib || 02/10/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||


Interesting primer on Zarqawi
It’s from the WSJ, so registration required, but it helps to tie a lot of the different threads together.
On the second day of the war in Iraq, more than 40 U.S. cruise missiles rained down near the northern town of Khurmal, destroying what Gen. Tommy Franks called a "massive terrorist facility." The U.S. was hoping to kill terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi. Among the dead was one of Mr. Zarqawi’s top lieutenants, known by the alias Abu Taisir. But Mr. Zarqawi, who had lost a leg in a previous U.S. attack in Afghanistan, had slipped out of the camp before the missiles hit, U.S. intelligence officials now believe.
Damn. I hate it when that happens.
"He’s the most active and frenetic terrorist commander out there today," says Matthew Levitt, a former Federal Bureau of Investigation terrorism analyst. U.S. officials believe, for instance, that he was involved in the massive bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Iraq in August, an attack that effectively drove much of the U.N. operation out of the country.
We've been saying that all along. But then, we pay attention...
The story of the high-school dropout from the small town of Zarqa, in Jordan, says much about the hurdles the U.S. faces in its war against terrorism. Mr. Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmad Fadil Nazzal Al-Khalayleh, epitomizes the elusiveness of these foes. He has ascended to the top terrorist tier because of what intelligence officials describe as a rare talent for building overlapping networks of friends, relatives and conspirators of various nationalities. He has repeatedly picked up and moved across borders -- from Jordan to Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. And he has attracted a following that is as devoted as he is to jihad and the defeat of the U.S.
The following's there to be picked up. Zarqawi's setup is a little more intricate than most, though...
In an audio message recently posted on militant Web sites and attributed by intelligence officials to Mr. Zarqawi, he laments the death of Mr. Taisir in northern Iraq and concludes, "O God, destroy the rule of Bush, just as you did with Caesar." He also declared he was "puzzled" why followers elsewhere had "failed to mobilize" to fight American forces. As reported Monday in the New York Times, U.S. officials say that they recently found a document in Iraq, believed to be written by Mr. Zarqawi, in which he appeals to al Qaeda leaders to send more help to fight the American occupation.
That's a good sign. That's a very good sign...
In the last two years, Mr. Zarqawi’s involvement has been detected in terrorist plots in France, Germany, Jordan and Israel, according to intelligence officials. He also is believed to have been behind an unsuccessful plot to launch an attack in London using the poison ricin and to have orchestrated the October assassination of U.S. diplomat Laurence Foley in Amman, Jordan. It is strongly suspected that Mr. Zarqawi was behind four recent bombings of British and Jewish sites in Istanbul, Turkish officials say. When the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad was struck by a truck bomb in August killing 17 people, suspicion immediately focused on Mr. Zarqawi because of his hostility to the Jordanian regime.
He's not that subtle. Smart, elusive, but not that subtle...
Mr. Zarqawi’s journey was reconstructed through six months of interviews with intelligence and security officials in the U.S., Middle East and Europe, and from court documents and government reports. It began as it did for thousands of young Arab militants: He traveled to Afghanistan in the late 1980s to fight the Soviets when he was about 20 years old. When he returned in 1991 to Zarqa -- from which he took his alias -- he was more religious, said his mother, Um Sayef al-Khalayleh, in an interview in September in Jordan. He spent hours memorizing the Quran in the family home, a two-story concrete structure furnished with foam mattresses. After returning from Afghanistan, Mr. Zarqawi married and settled in his home town. But he couldn’t find work in Jordan. His father had died in the 1980s, leaving a small monthly pension to support his family. A video-rental store Mr. Zarqawi opened failed. His mother says he shunned suggestions that he finish high school and attend college, saying it was pointless. Jordanian authorities, worried about veterans of Afghanistan fomenting unrest, harassed him, says his mother. In 1992 he was jailed. Released in 1999 under a general amnesty, he was soon in trouble again. He had fallen under the influence of a Jordanian cleric who called for the overthrow of Jordan’s monarchy and the creation of an Islamic state.
That would be Abu Qatada, IIRC ...
Security officials in Jordan accused him and others of planning to gun down and throw acid on U.S. and Israeli tourists during celebrations at Jordanian holy sites. Mr. Zarqawi fled to Peshawar, Pakistan, and went into business selling honey, says his mother. His wife and children joined him and then returned to Zarqa.
"Hi, Mom! We're back! Hey, lemme tell ya, don't ever go to Pakistan! Those people are crazy!"
Later Mr. Zarqawi married his second wife, a Jordanian he met in Pakistan. The U.S. claims that while in Pakistan in 1999, Mr. Zarqawi contacted al Qaeda members and asked for help training Jordanians. He crossed into Afghanistan and met senior al Qaeda leaders in Kandahar. Intelligence officials suspect he wanted to develop his own group dedicated to overthrowing the Jordanian monarchy. Though his father had once worked for Zarqa’s local government, Mr. Zarqawi considered the Jordanian regime insufficiently Islamic, the officials say.
Too much sweet reason, not enough shariah...
Soon he began creating his own network of followers. In late 2000, officials say, he established a training camp near Herat, in western Afghanistan, far from al Qaeda’s Kandahar base. Soon other Jordanians began to arrive, according to U.S. intelligence reports, many from his large, poor tribe, the Bani Hassan. Mr. Zarqawi controlled a route for bringing men into Afghanistan, according to interrogation reports arising from the 2002 arrest in Germany of a Zarqawi follower named Shadi Abdellah.
aka The Real Slim Shadi...
Recruits made their way to the eastern Iranian city of Mashhad and then were smuggled to Herat, about 300 miles away. In need of funds, Mr. Zarqawi drew closer to al Qaeda’s leadership, a move that meant broadening his focus beyond Jordan. In mid-2001 he visited Kandahar and was given $35,000 by al Qaeda along with a promise of more if he organized attacks against Israel. Later in 2001, Mr. Zarqawi sent followers on missions to mount attacks in Israel, though they were arrested in Turkey before they arrived.
Oh, that went well...
Mr. Zarqawi next formed an alliance with a group of exiled religious Iraqi Kurds. The Iraqis, many of them veterans of Afghanistan, had founded Ansar al-Islam, a fundamentalist group that hoped to establish an Islamic enclave in Iraq’s mountainous north, where a haven for Kurds had been set up in 1991. Ansar succeeded in carving out a small sanctuary near Khurmal, a few miles from the Iraq-Iran border. Intelligence officials say that Ansar’s leaders invited other veterans of Afghanistan -- possibly including Mr. Zarqawi -- to join them in Iraq.
Actually, the organization seems to have been Jund al-Islam, and I suspect it became Ansar when al-Tawhid joined it. It went from being a group of Kurdish hicks, proud of the length of their beards and their prowess at beating women, to an international terror outfit. The hicks got to provide a safe haven for the real Bad Guys...
The timing proved fortuitous for Mr. Zarqawi because he soon needed a new home. The U.S. had invaded Afghanistan a few months earlier. On Dec. 12, 2001, in a telephone conversation monitored by German authorities, Mr. Abdellah in Germany told a Zarqawi lieutenant that "Habib" -- an alias used by Mr. Zarqawi -- had been badly wounded in the leg and stomach in a U.S. attack. The Herat group was preparing to flee to Iran and had arranged for $40,000 to be transferred from Tehran to Germany for the purchase of fake passports, according to reports of Mr. Abdellah’s interrogation. Nearly 30 passports were smuggled into Tehran for Zarqawi and his followers, who arrived from Afghanistan in late December, according to the interrogation reports. Mr. Zarqawi’s group then split up. Some headed to Chechnya, and others remained in Iran. Their plan was to regroup in northern Iraq, according to Lorenzo Vidino, an analyst with the Investigative Project, a terrorism research organization in Washington. Mr. Zarqawi didn’t get far because of his injured leg. For several months he operated from Iran, according to U.S. officials and European intelligence documents. He planned several attacks, with frustrating results. Mr. Zarqawi, using the codename "Muhannad," made dozens of calls from Iran to Mr. Abdellah and other followers, who were allegedly planning attacks against Jewish targets in Germany. Mr. Zarqawi grew worried that the plot might be uncovered. "Listen, the longer it takes, the harder it will be for you. So try to hurry things up," Mr. Zarqawi said, according to a translated excerpt of a cellphone conversation cited in a German police report. Mr. Zarqawi’s warnings were justified; German police arrested Mr. Abdellah and his cohorts in late April 2002.
Zarqawi: The Early Years... He knew what he wanted to do, but he wasn't yet really good at doing it.
Whether the Iranian government condoned Mr. Zarqawi’s presence in their country is unknown. But a counterterrorism official at the FBI says he believes that Mr. Zarqawi established covert ties to Iranian officials that enabled him to stay. Mr. Abdellah told German police that Mr. Zarqawi had the tacit support of Iranian officials. At the time, Iran was being warned by U.S. officials not to give sanctuary to al Qaeda members. Diplomatic and intelligence officials suspect Mr. Zarqawi was one of dozens of al Qaeda suspects rounded up or quietly expelled. Iran disclosed recently that it had expelled Mr. Zarqawi’s nephew, Umar Jamil al-Khalayleh, around this time because they suspected that he had ties to al Qaeda. After the crackdown, Mr. Zarqawi moved to Iraq, looking for a safe haven. In May, he turned up in Baghdad seeking medical treatment. He had his leg amputated and was fitted with an artificial limb. While he was recuperating in Baghdad, new recruits -- some Zarqawi followers -- were converging on northern Iraq.
Significantly, this sojourn in Baghdad seems to be when he became a real threat. Prior to that he was just one of several. This was also the period when the boyz started showing up in Kurdistan. I don't think it's coincidence...
The CIA traced half a dozen satellite phones used in northern Iraq by suspected Islamic militants. Among them, according to information provided to Italian officials by the CIA, was a number belonging to Abu Taisir, 33, who is believed to be a Jordanian lover relative of Mr. Zarqawi’s. Abu Taisir, whose real name is Abdul Hadi Daghlas, had gone from Tehran to the Khurmal camp. Soon after, Mr. Zarqawi was tracked to northern Iraq, according to Jordanian authorities. His mother says she received a phone call from her son around this time. Apologizing that he could no longer send money home, Mr. Zarqawi told her, "Life is too hard."
Takes a lot of money to run an international criminal enterprise, and Binny had been turned into paste. How to get the money flowing again?
In late December 2002, the CIA unraveled a plot by Mr. Zarqawi’s group to carry out poison attacks in several European capitals. The breakthrough came when a senior al Qaeda leader, Abu Zubaydah, who had been arrested in April in Pakistan, disclosed the details under interrogation. A Zarqawi operative named Abu Atiya, operating out of a remote area of the Caucasus, had dispatched nine North African men to Europe to prepare the attacks in 2001. Mr. Atiya, a veteran of Mr. Zarqawi’s Herat camp, was later captured in the Azerbaijani capital of Baku and turned over to the CIA for interrogation, according to U.S. and foreign intelligence officials. U.S. intelligence officials suspect that Abu Atiya is a Zarqawi family member and that his father had helped run Mr. Zarqawi’s Herat camp.
Still more family affair...
The CIA sent reports about the Zubaydah interrogation to European governments. In a raid near Paris in December 2002, the French police recovered a chemical suit as well as cyanide. Three of those arrested had been named by Mr. Zubaydah, according to U.S. officials. A few weeks later in London, traces of the poison ricin were found in an apartment of several other North African men arrested by British police. Investigators believe that they had been dispatched by Mr. Atiya, the Zarqawi operative, to attack the London subway.
I believe the cover story at the time was that they were dry cleaning chemicals...
By the time the U.S. invaded Iraq, intelligence officials believe, Mr. Zarqawi already had fled Khurmal, across the border to Kurdish areas of Iran. When Jordan sent its top security officials to Tehran last summer to ask about Mr. Zarqawi, Iranian officials said that he had been in their custody but had been released because he had a Syrian passport.
"Youse gotta lemme go! I gotta Syrian passport!"
"That's a Pak passport!"
"Sorry. This one's real!"
"It's printed on a brown paper bag!"
"This one?"
"Ummm... It's a Moon Mullins pocket porno."
"Sorry. How 'bout this one?"
"Uhhh... That looks Syrian. Hokay. You can go."
During the summer, Mr. Zarqawi was reported to have been spotted back again in Iraq, intelligence officials say. U.S. special forces in Iraq mounted several unsuccessful raids hoping to capture him. Little was heard from Mr. Zarqawi until last month, when the audio statement attributed to him was noticed by CIA analysts. The CIA is unsure whether the voice on the recording is Mr. Zarqawi’s but suspects that the statement was written by him or someone close to him. The decision to post the words on militant Web sites signals the growing appeal Mr. Zarqwai holds among Arab radicals. In a 60-minute diatribe mixing references to the Quran, Arab history and the life of Muhammad, the speaker bemoans the death of his comrades and prods young Arabs, whom he accuses of failing in large numbers to come to Iraq and Afghanistan, to attack the U.S. "We swear our actions will inflict harm on the enemies," he says. "We will pursue jihad against them by all available means."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 9:27:23 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The entrepeneurial and recruiting skills of these guys are amazing. If these guys ever decided to stop killing people and start selling Amway, they'd be beeellionaires!
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 9:53 Comments || Top||

#2  threads connected - origins of Zarqawi and Tawhid, connections to AQ, connections to Al Ansar, Iranian complicity, Iraqi complicity, Zarqawi as charismatic leaders of the "arab volunteers" going into Iraq post-liberation.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
White slaughter in South Africa?
While former South African President Nelson Mandela, 85, scoffs at rumors of ill health, plans are being made by the nation’s Communist Party to slaughter all whites in the country upon his death, G2B sources say.
Unlikely, but definately not impossible.
One of the operations planned entails 70,000 armed black men "being transported to the Johannesburg city center within an hour" in taxicabs to attack whites.
Sounds a little ambitious.
The plans are variously dubbed "Operation Vula," "Night of the Long Knives," "Operation White Clean-up," "Operation Iron Eagle" and "Red October campaign." Operation "Our Rainy Day" was to be carried out after the death of Nelson Mandela and would have entailed blacks being transported to the largest cities in taxis. The assailants were expected to "take over" fuel points and massacre whites. The attacks would lead to a coup. Sources say most blacks in the country are aware of the plans. When racial disputes occur, blacks often tell whites, "Wait until Mandela dies.”
I know next to nothing about internal conditions in South Africa now. Are the whites unarmed? When they weren't, they seemed pretty competent at slaughtering blacks...
"White people in South Africa can deny it to the end of the earth, but we are in real danger," one resident said. "This is no joke and any person with half a brain can see that this rumor has spiraled out of control."
White South Africans are some of the toughest and most heavily armed civilians in the world, but there’s only so much you can do....
Many whites are now convinced a vicious campaign of ethnic cleansing will follow Mandela’s death whenever it comes. Some are making preparations for retreats. "I have prepared myself and we have a gathering place where we can fortify for four weeks after Mandela’s death," said one white South African. "If nothing happens it will be a miracle."
I don’t believe in miracles. How about you?
The Red October campaign is allegedly a Communist plot to oust President Thabo Mbeki. Mbeki would be replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa.
Who?
"I was starting to think I was going nuts!" said another white South Africa resident. "’Operation Uhuru’ or ’Operation White Clean-up’ is definitely no rumor. I spoke to someone who told me that some blacks in Zimbabwe have also confirmed that this ’event’ will take place. My cousin stays on a farm in Mpumalanga, not too far from Johannesburg. A black police officer in that district told his white colleague that they are going to kill us like flies, and there is nothing we can do about it. And that they also don’t care if we know."
This may explain ’ol Bob’s recent visit to South Africa: he’s acting as a consultant to various ambitious little factions within their government. Afterall, when it comes to destroying your very own African nation, he’s the world’s leading expert!
Meanwhile, Mandela, obviously aware of the growing rumors, last week assured the public he is well. "My health is all right," he told reporters in Cape Town. "I’m doing very well. Others have gone further and said I am on the eve of going to my grave. If that day comes, I will go and knock at the door of heaven. ... They will look at the list and say: ’Your name is not here ... can you try next door?’"
....and then his entire head fell off.
Concern about Mandela’s health surfaced last month when he canceled a scheduled meeting with visiting German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The former president was at the time relaxing on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius. Mandela joked that when his time comes, "I will look for a branch of the ANC (the ruling African National Congress) in that world (and) I’ll join it."
Uh, if the ANC is running heaven when I get there I’ll take my chances down south of the boarder.... and I don’t mean in Mexico
Posted by: Secret Master || 02/10/2004 6:24:18 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'd say this is crazy but remember Rwanda.
Posted by: Hiryu || 02/10/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I'll lock myself in the bedroom with Charlize Theron while you gents guard the front door!
Posted by: JDB || 02/10/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#3  being transported to the Johannesburg city center within an hour" in taxicabs to attack whites.
Sounds like the plan of Moses Petain.

Posted by: AntiPasto || 02/10/2004 18:52 Comments || Top||

#4  If this happens you know that somehow it will be the US's fault right?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||

#5  The Taxicab angle may sound implausible to an American or European but in places where few people have cars, then if you are organizing anything you need to move people around and have to involve taxicabs, which are normally controlled by criminal elements.

Having said that, this looks like a rumour that has taken on a life of its own.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 19:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Who knows what will really happen? But the thing that sticks in my mind is that South Africa has been cozy with Zimbabwe and Bob, so they are capable of it. This might be some kind of intimidation campaign on the part of some group in SA, but there may also be a ring of truth in it, too. If they go this way, the Heart of Darkness will apply to South Africa, too, and that would be a tremendous tragedy and setback for Africa.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/10/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||

#7  If it does happen, look for Amnesia International and Human Rights Watch to blame the whites. Probably something like "they brought it on themselves".
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 19:48 Comments || Top||

#8  If they do it, I will campaign to prevent American aid to or American investment in South Africa for the rest of this millenia. I think the US would expell the UN.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 20:00 Comments || Top||

#9  When South Africa refused to announce Bob's attacks against whites in neighboring Zimbabwae the whites in South Africa should have taken notice and taken off.
Posted by: ruprecht || 02/10/2004 20:29 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
4TH ID OPERATIONS
TIKRIT, Iraq - Three people were captured after soldiers from 1st Brigade Combat Team went to the village of Al Alam, near Tikrit in the morning of Feb. 9 in search of individuals suspected of having involvement in attacks against Coalition forces on Forward Operating Base Speicher. The soldiers did not locate any targeted individuals in the village but as they were returning to their base camp they encountered a group of 30 Iraqis. The men were stopped and soldiers were able to determine that one of the individuals was targeted for capture in the planned raid. Two others were detained for questioning.

As the soldiers continued their return to the base, an Iraqi citizen approached them and provided information about an ammunition cache in Tikrit. The soldiers went to the described location and found two 82 mm mortar rounds and two rocket propelled grenades. The munitions were destroyed in place.

--An Iraqi citizen came up to a 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment patrol with information about a possible weapons cache in the town of Jalula in the afternoon of Feb. 9. Soldiers went to the location and confiscated five RPGs and one 60 mm mortar tube. The confiscated items were taken to the soldiers’ base and are scheduled for destruction.

--A patrol from 1st battalion, 67th Armor Regiment was proceeding to a location identified as a possible rocket launch site after Forward Operating Base Warhorse was attacked in the evening of Feb. 8. Soldiers encountered five armed individuals four kilometers south of Al Hadid who attempted to flee when the patrol approached. The soldiers responded and fired at the armed individuals, wounding one. The soldiers continued their pursuit and went to a nearby building and captured 13 people, including one person with a gunshot wound, who was treated immediately. After questioning the men six were detained.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 02/10/2004 4:11:44 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We need to stay there longer. US actions are beginning to take hold now.
Forget local sensibilities. We are the occupier and the enforcer. At some point yes, but July 1sr seems awful close to me. Perhaps July 1st 2006.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#2  dataman1, I disagree. I'm honestly not sure whether July 1st is to early or not but what I do know is that we need to remove ourselves from the enforcer position and move Iraqi forces into that position. Our forces need to be sitting outside populated areas in fortified bases to the extent that Iraq can police it's own population. We should just be there as a stabalizing force not for enforcement.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 18:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Never should have went in the first place
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Antiwar - nice bromide, care to back that up?

try: It's all about the Oiiilllll! Bush Lied!!! Halliburton!!!!
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||


4th ID Plugs 10 Bushwhackers
Soldiers from the 4th Infantry Division killed 10 armed Iraqis who were apparently trying to set up an ambush near a town northeast of Baghdad. A patrol from the division’s 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment saw 10 Iraqis armed with automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade launchers Monday night north of the town of Muqdadiyah, the command said in a statement. "The men were apparently establishing an ambush position," the statement said. "The armed men did not comply with warnings and in response the soldiers fired, killing all 10."
Clean sweep, excellent!
The soldiers recovered five AK-47 assault rifles, four grenade launchers, five rocket propelled grenades, two machine guns, two hand grenades and a pair of night vision goggles, the statement added.
Nice work, guys.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 3:34:36 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Raises the stakes just a little when you're hunting something that can shoot back... Nice job, 4ID!
Posted by: Dar || 02/10/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL the fools are still at it i see, thought they might have realised by now but instead thier futile efforts lead to thier own death, well sure makes me laugh :)
Posted by: Jon Shep U.K || 02/10/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#3  2nd of the 1st, 4thID bowls a strike! They keep settin' em up, and we keep knockin em down.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Excellent work 4th ID! God bless you, you are America's finest!
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#5  The soldiers recovered five AK-47 assault rifles, four grenade launchers, five rocket propelled grenades, two machine guns, two hand grenades and a pair of night vision goggles, the statement added.

That's not a bad little order of battle.... piss poor arab commander again.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#6 
a pair of night vision goggles, the statement added
Manufactured by whom? (as if we didn't know)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 02/10/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Atkins-Blasting ’Physicians’ Committee is a Front Group for PETA
PETA = Protesting Eating Tasty Animals:
The late Dr. Robert Atkins is being smeared for his alleged obesity at the time of his death, by a phony doctors organization that has been exposed as a front group for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and has been censured by the American Medical Association (AMA).
The Atkins smear is everywhere on the news, we’ll see if this exposure gets the same play.
The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) has taken in over $1 million from PETA and the animal rights movement. PCRM and PETA also share office space, board members, and staff.
Just like the numerous Pak terror groups do.
The AMA has formally censured PCRM in the past, calling its recommendations "irresponsible" and "potentially dangerous to the health and welfare of Americans." The AMA has also called PCRM a "fringe organization" that uses "unethical tactics" and is "interested in perverting medical science."
"They’re infringing on our turf!"
PCRM’s attacks on diets including meat, fish and dairy foods, and its constant demands for a vegetarian America are rooted in an animal-rights philosophy.
You’ll get my steak when you pry it from my cold, gravy stained hand.
The facts on the late Dr. Robert Atkins:
  1. Dr. Stuart Trager MD, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council, told the Wall Street Journal that Atkins’ heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy, a condition that was thought to result from a viral infection. Atkins’ weight was due to bloating and water-retention associated with his condition, and the time he spent in a coma after his head injury.
  2. Trager’s own release this morning reads in part: "Due to water retention ... [Atkins] had a weight that varied between 180 and 195. During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds."
Why post this story? Cuz PETA is a terrorist sponsor, with EFL as their military wing.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 3:15:00 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  how dare you call peta that? meat eaters are the true terrorist! did you ever look into a cow eyes before you slam his head with a hamer? terror! or did you ever feel the heart beet of a chicken before you chop off his head? terror! or the poor fish and dolfins being pulled out of the water to make your sandwiches? they feel terror to. save the cows and realize you can have a tofu sandwich without murder and its good for you to but dick chainey is probably making money of the meat/murder industry and things will never change. time to make a check for pcrm.
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#2  p.s. atkins is the anti-crist.
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Mmmm, barbeque. Think I'll head downstairs and pick up an order of murdered cow and decapitated chicken, with extra sauce.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 02/10/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#4  "Waitress? I'll have the Porterhouse steak, please. Rare."
Posted by: Raj || 02/10/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#5  did you ever look into a cow eyes before you slam his head with a hamer?
Yup, but we used a .45.

did you ever feel the heart beet of a chicken before you chop off his head?
Again, yes. We hung them by their little feet before we slit their throats, when they run around bumping into stuff it bruises the meat.

the poor fish and dolfins being pulled out of the water to make your sandwiches?
Fish, yes. Haven't had dolphin, what do you serve with them? This PETA shit don't fly with us farm boys, muck.

"muck4doo" - I've had to clean a lot of muck off my boots after cleaning out the barn. It fits you.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Muck - I worked in a slaughterhouse right before Uncle Sam 'greeted' me and sent me on an all expense paid overseas trip. Worker #2 on the kill line. I have seen the eyes of the steers and cows before they meat their maker. I eat meat every chance I get. I am the top of the food chain. I win.
Posted by: Doc8404 || 02/10/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#7  did you ever look into a cow eyes before you slam his head with a hamer?

Spent a lot of time looking cattle in the eyes. Raised my own steers, helped friends feed theirs. Here's a secret semi-literate losers like you never seem to realize: when you look in the eyes of cattle, there's nothing there. They're not intelligent; as I explained to some suburbanite classmates, one man can surround a small herd of cattle.

BTW -- do you write like a six-year-old because of a mental problem, or are you actually six years old?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#8  if i was six would i have a check book? duh! does that mean it ok to kill people who are vegetables cuz nothings there?
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 17:53 Comments || Top||

#9  I truly believe that if God did not want us to eat animals, He would not have made them out of meat. Not only that MuckBoy, I'm engaged to marry a fine gal who works for a local poultry processor - they specialize in free-range chickens. Dang they are tasty!
Also...what to serve with dolphin? Grill it in a chili-honey glaze- team it with big fat steak and freedom fries...you know- Surf n Turf. For the wine....I'd go with a Robert Stemmler Pinot.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#10  Don't forget the baby ducks! I like to just drop live ones in hot oil, fuzz and all. The teeny feathers give them a certain je nais se qua, and the little beaks get crunchy.

Excellent with a merlot.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 02/10/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#11  look into a cow eyes before you slam his head with a hamer? terror! or did you ever feel the heart beet of a chicken before you chop off his head?
ROFLMAO... No... but I'm willing to pay for the experience. Especially the heart beet.... of a chicken.

Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||

#12  Actually my tuna sandwiches taste really blah since they started using dolphin-safe nets.

erik, midwest chapter of People for Eating Tasty Animals.
Posted by: eLarson || 02/10/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#13  Anyone who wants to argue in favor of a meatless diet on health grounds I respect.Anyone who argues for a meatless diet on moral grounds I have no respect for.Study after study has shown A)plants that are cut emit noise(ie,they scream in pain),B)plants actually try to move to avoid sharp objects.Objecting to killing a cow on moral grounds,yet rejoicing in the slaughter of lettuce that cries out in agony when harvested,and even tries to avoid being cut,is at best hypocritical.If you are anti-meat on moral grounds,but agree to the death of other life forms,you occupy no moral high ground,you are a hypocritical vertebraeist.
Posted by: Stephen || 02/10/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||

#14  Unlike wolves and coyotes, we don't tear Bambi's intestines out; we shoot her. I know which way I'd rather go.
Posted by: Jackal || 02/10/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#15  Meat! It's what's for dinner!
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 20:10 Comments || Top||

#16  Trolls. The other white meat.
Toothpick anybody?
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||

#17  Stephen, you miss the point. If Peta ever wins and saves all of the animals they will shift to protecting the vegetables as well. Eventually we will only be allowed to eat fruit that has dropped off the vine, and plants and animals that have died of natural causes. In the Peta perfect world mass starvation is not a bug, its a feature.
Posted by: ruprecht || 02/10/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||

#18  Hey, smuckEdoo, does P E T A really mean People Eating Tasty Animals?
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||

#19  I was told two weeks ago my family on my mother's side were Seventh Day Adventists. I found information of them and I told a friend of mine:

1) Fast for a day or two, okay...
2) Vegetarian diet, maybe.
3) But no wine, that is a deal breaker...
Posted by: badanov || 02/10/2004 21:04 Comments || Top||

#20  I personally find it funny that the AMA, who has been bashing Atkins for the last 10 years, and who caused an entire generation to suffer with the bad science of counting calories and decreasing fat (proved bad science by Atkins), is now calling ANYONE a quack.
Posted by: B || 02/11/2004 7:37 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
France Probes Arafat’s Wife
French prosecutors said Tuesday they had opened an inquiry into transfers totaling $11.5 million into bank accounts held in France by Suha Arafat, the wife of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat. The Paris public prosecutor confirmed a report in Le Canard Enchaine weekly that an inquiry into Suha Arafat, who lives in Paris, was launched last October after information provided by the Bank of France and a government anti-money laundering body.
Chirac didn’t get his cut?
The prosecutor’s office said they wanted to check transfers from a Swiss-based institution made between July 2002 and July 2003 into two separate accounts held by her in Paris.
Well, there goes Yasser’s retirement fund.
The office said the probe is at the preliminary stage, meaning its aim is to determine whether there is sufficient grounds to take investigations further. Suha Arafat could not be contacted for comment.
Out shopping before the checks bounce.
Yasser Arafat has rejected allegations of corruption within his Palestinian Authority. Yet it has suffered a fall in foreign donor money amid allegations that some of it has been siphoned off by corrupt officials or diverted to militants waging a suicide bombing campaign against Israel.
You mean like that 11 million?
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 2:08:36 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice work if you can get it, right, Suha?
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#2  "Le Canard Enchaine" - The Ruptured Duck?

Get them Aliens in there, boys, THEY know how to do a probe - why, just ask Billy-Bob here...
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Snarky comment.
Somehow puting "France", "Probe" and "Wife (that is, female)" all in one headline sounds a bit risque. Or, perhaps just normal for the french screwing someone.
Posted by: Jim K || 02/10/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#4  France Probes Arafat’s Wife

Jim K beat me to it; might want to reconsider that headline...
Posted by: Raj || 02/10/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#5  That headline put a bad image in my head.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Calling Faisal. . . Anon. . . . C'mon guys - I'm needing your thoughful insights on this subject.

Oo! Oo! I've got it, since it's the Joooooooooooooo's money anyway it's okay, right?
Suha is due the dough to calm her jangled nerves regarding her downtrodden brothers and sisters.

Crickets. . .
Posted by: Doc8404 || 02/10/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#7  "Canard enchaine" means "Chained Duck" not ruptured duck. But in french slang a canard is a low-end newspaper.
Posted by: JFM || 02/10/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Jim, the thought of "probing" Suha is a risque as Rosie O'Donnell modelling Victoria's Secret Valetines collection. I guess that would be filed under "acquired taste."
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#9  Ahah. Now we're getting somewhere! Why is the duck in bondage?
Posted by: Fred || 02/10/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||

#10  they are probing chainey to. how come thats not mentioned?
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 17:45 Comments || Top||

#11 
France Probes Arafat’s Wife
Ewwwwwww!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 02/10/2004 17:57 Comments || Top||

#12  I can't add anything to this.... but yes... why is the duck in bondage? And was it ropes or chains? Just curiously science.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#13  AFLAC! (ball gag in) mmmmppphhhhhh!
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#14  From my UC Berkeley days:

There are no such things as dirty words, only dirty minds.

Now what is this duck sh-t all about?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/10/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Excerpt from Mbeki’s whistlestop tour of Zulu Hotbeads of Resistence
EFL
... Mbeki used the tour to warn IFP and ANC supporters against a return to their bloody feuding which killed an estimated 20,000 people in KwaZulu-Natal and elsewhere in the early 1990s.

Whatever the real motives of the tour, Mbeki was left in no doubt as to how strong a feeling of unfulfilled expectations runs through the country’s black majority even as his party prepares to celebrate its successes in guiding post-apartheid development. In three days of criss-crossing South Africa’s most populous province with some 9.4 million people, he was confronted by people voicing the concerns of ordinary South Africans plagued by violent crime, rampant rape and HIV/AIDS, and unemployment. At his final imbizo in Gamalakhe on the Natal south coast, a former prisoner handed Mbeki a thick volume detailing his complaints against corruption in the jails. The huge crowd was moved to tears when the author described one incident when a male prisoner was left unattended to die of piles after being repeatedly sodomized by fellow inmates.

A woman in the crowd complained she had been turned away from police stations when she reported the rape of her 6-year-old daughter by a man she identified. Mbeki’s Security and Safety Minister Charles Nqakula, a key cabinet minister traveling with the president and taking turns to field questions was outraged. "A man who rapes is no different from a dog," he said. "A dog stays in a cage. A man who rapes will also be kept in a cage. A policeman who dismisses complaints of rape is equally guilty," he added, to the joy of tearful women in the crowd.
Nice words. What was the end result of the action taken? Yes, I’m not kidding, the action taken. No I am serious. Step laughing.....
South Africa has probably the highest rate of rape in the world.

Mbeki went to great lengths to shed his image of a dour public speaker and even won a few standing ovations... But Mbeki would not be drawn on some issues. Throughout the tour he hardly mentioned the subject of HIV/AIDS, which he has been accused of paying little attention to although South Africa is the most afflicted country in the world. A visit to a hospital with a large HIV/AIDS ward was dropped from his schedule at the last minute because of bad weather.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 1:55:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Although it is arguably one of the best places to live on the continent, South Africa has probably the highest rate of rape in the world.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 16:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Not to mention the worlds highest rate of murder and violent crime.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||


Russia
Lost and Found Dept
Russian presidential candidate Ivan Rybkin, whose mystery disappearance triggered speculation he might have been kidnapped by rivals, turned up in Ukraine Tuesday where he said he had been taking a break.
"I like Kiev in February"
The rest of us prefer the Carribean

Rybkin, a fierce critic of President Vladimir Putin whom he will challenge in next month’s election, told Russian media he was surprised at the fuss caused by his failure to contact family and aides.
People dissappear all the time round here
"I didn’t disappear anywhere. I bought a newspaper today and was stunned," Ekho Moskvy radio quoted him as saying. Rybkin, who disappeared last Thursday, told Interfax news agency that he was entitled to go on a short break.
At least until the heat wears off
"I have the right to two or three days of personal life. I went to Kiev to my friends, walked around, switched off my mobile phones, and didn’t watch TV," he was quoted as saying.
Met a girl on the Internet did he?

So, was it just a stunt? Something for publicity? To raise suspicions (as quickly erupted here and in the press) about Putin? Did he go on a bender and wake up in Kiev not knowing where he was, in a dingy motel next to someone named Tiffany?
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#1  Next stop - Mexico City?
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Next stop - Mexico City?

Mr. Trotsky, somebody to see you.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#3  wake up in Kiev not knowing where he was, in a dingy motel next to someone named Tiffany?

With somebody taking pictures, now who would do a thing like that?
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#4  I will bet good money that when he gets home he has some serious 'splaining to do to his wifey about the lipstick stains...
Posted by: Carl in N.H || 02/10/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Mr. Trotsky, somebody to see you.

"Say, that's a cool looking icepick you got there, comrade..."
Posted by: Raj || 02/10/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||

#6  he and chainey were hiding together
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#7  My Estonian girlfriend yesterday suggested this very scenario -- that he had disappeared himself for the publicity.
I thought it sounded like a DU conspiracy theory -- I thought that a politician would be done if he pulled such as stunt.
But then again, I forgot we're talking about Russia here.
Posted by: Scott || 02/10/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#8  muck4doo - it's Cheney you stupid f*&K! If you're gonna be the dumbass Halliburton troll-o-the-day at least learn the correct spelling. Believe me, adults, even teens will be more likely to give you that condescending smile civilly displayed to the congenitally stupid if you could spell the name of the target of your attacks properly
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 19:16 Comments || Top||

#9  He's lucky, muck4doo. He could've ended up... like Wellstone!
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Suicide bomber’s lover killed in "accident"
Story from the JP by way of Jihad Watch:
Abdel Nasser Abu Shokeh, 37, of Al-Gourej was killed Friday in an explosion believed until now to be a "work accident," that is, a premature explosion that occurred while he was handling explosives meant for use against Israel. But in a report by Israel Radio, Hamas now says his death was a hit by Israel. Shokeh was believed to be head of Hamas’s military wing in Central Gaza. He was also the lover of suicide bomber who blew herself up at the Erez Checkpoint, killing three soldiers and one civilian and leaving behind two children.
We all saw the video.
After Reem Salah al-Rayashi’s husband discovered the affair, her erstwhile lover apparently supplied her with explosives and chose the place where she should kill herself and any Israelis she could take along with her.
"Abdel, my love, my husband found out about our affair! Whatever will we do?"
"Reem, baby, honor demands that you kill yourself."
"Er, Ok."

Hamas said that an Arab Israeli who had supplied Shokeh with an army uniform gave him a model of Al-Aqsa Mosque as a gift.
"For me? Why thank you."
A few hours later, the model exploded, killing its new owner.
Sniff, I love a happy ending.

I posted the longer, dirtier version of this last night...
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#1  I prostrate myself before you. I'm not worthy.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 13:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Feelings...nothing more then feelings...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:39 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Khan Claimed Nuke Equipment Was Old.
L.A. Times, registration required. Edited for new stuff:
An official involved in the investigation of Abdul Qadeer Khan said Monday that the Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that the equipment he sold to Iran and North Korea to enrich uranium was outdated.
"Yeah. It was outta date. It wouldn't enrich uranium no more, 'less you could find some o' that old uranium."
Khan’s claim appeared to be an attempt to play down the value of the technology he spread. That assertion, together with the announcement that Khan could still face punishment, may represent an effort by Pakistan to mollify critics in the U.S. and elsewhere who are angry about Khan’s activities and the pardon.
I don't think that particular line's gonna work.
However, international investigators said that even sharing outdated designs would substantially promote the spread of nuclear weapons. Inspectors with the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency, for instance, have found that Iran made significant improvements on Pakistani-designed equipment.
Wonder who else "assisted" them?
According to Pakistani officials involved in the investigation, Khan said in his signed confession that he supplied old and discarded centrifuges and other uranium-enrichment equipment to North Korea and Iran.
By way of Malaysia, where they were "refurbished".
One official, who spoke on condition that he not be named, identified the equipment as P-I and P-II centrifuges, machines used to enrich uranium to fuel nuclear reactors and warheads. The P-I is thought to have been made using blueprints Khan is suspected of stealing while he was working at a uranium-enrichment plant in the Netherlands in the 1970s. The official said Khan had transferred P-I and P-II machines to North Korea along with drawings, sketches, technical data and depleted uranium hexafluoride gas — the feedstock for gas centrifuges and a crucial, difficult-to-obtain element.
Was the gas outdated as well?
Khan said he supplied equipment such as old P-I machines with drawings to Iran under pressure from the late Gen. Imtiaz when the general was defense advisor to Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto from December 1988 to August 1990.
Since Imtiaz is dead, he can’t deny the charge.
Khan also said he met Iranian scientists in the Pakistani city of Karachi at the request of another close Bhutto aide, identified as Dr. Niazi. He had meetings with Libyans in Istanbul, Turkey, in 1990, the officials said.
And now we have the "Blame Bhutto" meme.
Bhutto, who lives in exile in London and Dubai, United Arab Emirates, said in an e-mail interview last week that she never had direct knowledge that Pakistanis were involved in nuclear proliferation while she was in power. Now she believes the military is trying to hide its complicity. One official said the nuclear leaks started in the late 1980s. There was a lack of strict command and control over Pakistan’s nuclear program for 20 years, the official said, until after Musharraf seized power in a 1999 coup.
You can see where Musharraf is going with this, it all started under somebody elses watch.
The contention that Pakistan’s military and intelligence services were unaware of Khan’s activities contradicts assurances that Musharraf and senior Pakistani military leaders gave to U.S. officials. "Musharraf and people before him constantly assured us that this was something that the military had a firm grip on," a former U.S. intelligence official said Monday in a phone interview from Washington.
Oh, I’m sure they did know exactly what was going on.
Although relatives of the detained scientists have insisted that military intelligence officers strictly monitored employees of the laboratory and their families, the official interviewed Monday said it was "a one-man show" under an officer he identified only as Brig. Tajwar. The military’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency — which is widely believed to be present in virtually every corner of Pakistani society — was shut out of Khan’s nuclear facility.
Sure they were.
Khan’s direct shipments of bomb-making equipment went through a black market network with the assistance of two Sri Lankans, identified as Tahir and Farooq.
I thought Farooq was Khan's assistant?
Dubai became the shipment hub and the place where clandestine meetings took place and deals were struck, the official said.
The hotels are better.
North Korea — which has denied having a uranium-enrichment program — placed orders for P-I centrifuge components from 1997 to 1999, and Khan and his associates provided direct technical assistance to that country from 1998 to 2000, said an official involved in the probe.
Paid for by helping with Pakistans missile program.
Izaz Jaffery, the owner of an Islamabad nightclub called Hot Shot, has been arrested on suspicion of being an emissary between Khan and Iran, the source said.
Izaz is now very expendable.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 10:58:33 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  An official involved in the investigation of Abdul Qadeer Khan said Monday that the Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that the equipment he sold to Iran and North Korea to enrich uranium was outdated.

It doesn't matter whether the machinery was outdated. The question is, would it do what the buyers wanted it to do?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#2  The question is, would it do what the buyers wanted it to do?

Nothing like planting the seeds of doubt and seeing what grows.
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 12:01 Comments || Top||

#3  This will really piss the Mullahs off. I noticed the other day that my three blade razor didn't cut as well as my two-blade. I'll pass on the four-blade for the time being.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  I imagine the equipment used to extract the Uranium used on the bomb we dropped on Japan (I forget which) is also obsolete by now...
Posted by: Ptah || 02/10/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Of Hippies and Hipsters (Berkeley again, including peacenik in a turban)
Of Hippies and Hipsters
Ashkenaz Center Has Gone From Activists’ Mecca to Hot Spot for Multicultural Music

Groundation’s lead singer Harrison Stafford, wearing a turban, says the band has played at the Ashkenaz Music & Dance Community Center six times
What the guy in the turban really said: "Time to get stoned, fellow peace-seekers! So grab a rock and help me stone these two naked harlots on my left, then we can crucify the drunken Jew and the pot-smoking infidel on my right. Join in or my guitar explodes in five seconds, Inshallah!"

By ARLET ABRAHAMIAN Contributing Writer Tuesday, February 10, 2004

A wall of smoke and relaxed faces greet you as you enter the West Berkeley theater.
"Like, wow, man! The West Berkeley theater! I am so, like, y'know, stoked!"
The band lounges around the back room with their friends, smoking joints while preparing to go on stage, and the smell of burning incense sticks protruding from the walls blends with the marijuana smoke.
"Mmmmm! Ganja!"
Wearing a turban on his head and a smile on his face, the lead singer of the reggae band Groundation, Harrison Stafford, speaks fondly of the mellow scene at Ashkenaz Music & Dance Community Center, as he awaits go-time Saturday night.
"It is, like, melllllow, man!"
Ashkenaz is a place where “every nationality can live together,”
as long as they’re not Bushitler supporters
says Stafford, who has played at the theater six times.
"I, like, think it was six... I think it was this theater... I think it was me... Hey, man! Is there any of that weed left?"
But although the ideal of bringing different peoples together has remained constant since its opening, the theater’s brand of activism has changed since its founding in 1973. When Ashkenaz was first founded, human rights activist and folk dancer Dave Nadel envisioned a transformation for the old San Pablo Avenue warehouse into a dance hall devoted to the ideals of peace and world music.
"Yeah. Like, once we even had Zamfir, Master of the Pan Pipe. It was, like, waaaaay kewl!"
Stepping into Ashkenaz is like taking a time machine to Berkeley in the colorful 1960s: The outside is covered with a mosaic of tiles called the “World Wall of Peace,” and a peace sign stands guard above the door. On the inside, the walls are lined with pictures of Cesar Chavez and protest signs, such as the one reading “R.O.T.C.=Racist Corporate Puppets.”
and iconic portraits of other peace-movement deities, such as Ho Chi Minh and Che Guevara.
The patrons, too, are dressed in the decade’s hippie uniforms of loose-fitting tie-dye, like theater-goer and artist Claire Z. “It’s a remnant of the ‘60s, the old days of peace and activism,” she says.
"I mean, when you buy quality shit like this, you don't have to buy new stuff. I been wearing this same tee since Altamont!"
But it was an act of violence that threatened this relic’s existence. In 1996, Nadel was shot and killed by a customer who he had banned from the club for being too drunk.
"Thash right! The bitch bann' me from da club. Shaid I wuzh too drunk. Plugged 'im right through the brishket. Hic!"
After Nadel’s death, Ashkenaz nearly lost its home in the West Berkeley warehouse, until a group of community members turned the theater into a nonprofit organization. They were able to raise enough money through donations to put a down payment on the warehouse, and try to carry out Nadel’s dream. “It is very much the same as before David died,” says Janis "Joplin" Kenny, an Ashkenaz patron of 20 years. “The music is always good, it’s laid back, and you can trust people here.”
"We're even hoping to raise enough money to bury David. He's still out back. We've got him in the freezer, cuz he was starting to go, like, bad, y'know?"
But the theater has still lost some of its original activist spirit, some employees say.
"It ain't the same as it was, Strawberry. It just ain't the same. [Sigh!]"
“In ’75 this place used to be packed with people protesting,” says Dave Chachere, the trumpet player for Groundation. “The hippies are all older now, they don’t have the time and energy to be the spearhead of protest.”
"I mean, they are realllly whacked out after 30 years of heavy-duty recreational medication. We're talkin' serious gene breakage here. Some of 'em come in, we don't put 'em in chairs. We put 'em in vases..."
Edwin Thaxter, who has worked at the theater since 1983, when Nadel hired him as his doorman after he broke up a fight at a dance show, says the theater has lost its focus. “There is something left out—the willingness to help the community,” Thaxter says. “It doesn’t do the same as David did. He fought for equal rights for people.”
"But then that guy shot him. I mean, it was like Lennon, y'know? Only without Yoko... Is there any of that weed left?"
Today, the theater’s aging hippies have been replaced by families with children, and the atmosphere of activism and protest has mellowed out over the years. Being inside Ashkenaz today feels more like being in a jazz club than a old stomping ground for flower children. “They used to have a machine that would cut off bands’ electricity when they got too loud,” says Chachere. “You just had to learn to play more quietly.”
"Now, it's like goin' to a museum, y'know? Y'see all these granny ladies that were, like, trippin' chicks 40 years ago, an' y'see these guys who were, like all righteous an' shit, but now they're, y'know, like... quaint."
The theater’s focus now is putting on cultural performances, ranging from Afro-Brazilian dance to Balkan brass bands to classes where people can learn belly-dancing and Ta Ke Ti Na percussion. Ashkenaz has shifted its activism focus from equal rights to making sure people in the Berkeley community are exposed to cultures from all over the world.
"Y'see, until you've heard these, like, pygmy guys singin' and bonkin' their hollow logs, you ain't, y'know, ummmm... cultured. An' then, an' then, we got these white guys, that ain't been outta Berkeley, like ever, except maybe a day in Oakland, to the mall, y'know? An' they get up, an' they sing the old pygmy songs, an' they bonk their hollow logs, an' it's all so... so... ethnic!"
Still, the theater’s performers say educating the masses doesn’t pay the bills. The nonprofit relies heavily on community donations to stay afloat and carry on Nadel’s dream, and is currently campaigning to raise $50,000.
"I mean, we'd rilly like to give the guy a decent funeral an' all. It's been awhile..."
“It’s difficult to keep the balance of making enough money and keeping culturally diverse shows,” Stafford says. But if the theater goes under, hundreds of Berkeley’s retired activists, reminders of a not-so-distant past, will be left without a place to escape the present and return to a decade where they were in their element. “It’s a home away from home,” Kenny says. “Some call it their church.”
I find the skeptical tone of this piece, written by a student reporter, very refreshing and encouraging. I will now desecrate and blaspheme the trustafarian, mumia-cong, pop-culture commando holy of holies by declaring that the Counterculture was the scam of the century, little more than an advertising gimmick run amok.
"Awwww, man! That was my bong!"
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/10/2004 10:09:59 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When these guys get big, I'd like to see the girl to his right change her name to The Artist Formerly Known As White Girl Seeking Authenticity.
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#2  er, left.
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 10:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Eh. It's Berkeley.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#4  They could make some money by putting a Starbucks and a Taco Bell in the place - like they do in rest stops with the combined eating area.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Do they have a "no smoking" section?
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#6  jerry's dead, I'm grateful........
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Let Berserkeley's RICH retired activists dig down deep and come up w/the bread.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#8  A2U, dig deep... I was surprised George Soros admitted on CNBC last night that he is having trouble getting others to dig deep for MoveOn.org.
Not everybody hates the bushitler. Wot a surprise!

(Hey CNBC, how cum you don't keep transcripts?)
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#9  The lead singer looks like an @sshat, but the band doesn't seem all bad. At least the chicks look like they may actually own a razor.
Posted by: Tibor || 02/10/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#10  I think I'm going to start a band called The Bare Naked Asshats. Everbody will wear a different turban.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#11  I live about a half mile from this place. I wouldn't exactly call a theater, it's more like a bar made out of dritwood. Anyhow, I recommend it to anybody who is a history buff: it's just full of old Berkeley memorabilia. Good place to have a beer, baaaddddd place to have a political conversation. Or, hell, maybe it's a good place to have a bar fight! I hadn't actually considered that....

#rubs his chin#
Posted by: Secret Master || 02/10/2004 15:12 Comments || Top||

#12  they put on a good show
Posted by: muck4doo || 02/10/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#13  I would assume then that the American Flag is not welcome there.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#14  I dont think american military would be welcome either.

But I am sure kimmie-boy-the-baby-killer would be more then welcome as a hero.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/10/2004 17:27 Comments || Top||

#15  Damn, look just like a shuttle crew.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 19:04 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
4 Iranian border guards released
Four Iranian border guards released by American forces after some 290 days of captivity in Iraq, arrived in this southern border city on Saturday.
Hummmmm
The Iranian border guards Ardeshir Zolfaghari, Majid Amani, Rezasheikhi and Ali-Asghar Talebi were kidnapped by the outlawed MKO terrorist group elements in the border city of Naft-Shahr on April 23, 2003, and handed over to American forces in Iraq.
Story doesn’t say how long MKO held them. Kind of makes you wonder why we took so long to release these poor "innocent" kidnap victims.
The released Iranian border guards were due to arrive in Iran but their hand-over to Iranian authorities was delayed several hours.
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Israel-Palestine
Palestine wants to become an EU member
Can someone please explain to me where the dividing line between comedy and politics is, with these splodydopes.
Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath has said he hopes that Palestine could eventually become a member of the EU. According to Spiegel Online, at the NATO conference in Munich Mr Shaath said that after peace is reached with Israel, the country should be taken on as an EU member. "If Palestine could become a member of the European Union after a peace agreement, it would be a wonderful incentive".
"Just think of the possibilities for graft! We're talkin' big money here!"
Mr Shaath was reacting to a suggestion by German foreign minister Joschka Fischer that the EU should have a free trade-zone with the whole of the Mediterranean area.
And just think, once the EU has a Muslim component, then all the other components would have to adjust their laws and traditions so as not to offend them...
He also suggested that if the US is too occupied with campaigning for the presidential elections, then the EU and Russia should do more.
No, I don't think that's it. I think it's that you had your chance and you blew it.
Mr Shaath’s words come as Palestinian prime minister Ahmed Qurei (Abu Ala) visits Dublin today (9 February) to try and muster European support against Israel’s controversial West Bank separation barrier. Mr Qurei will holds talks with Irish Prime Minister and current head of the EU Bertie Ahern and Irish Foreign Minister Brian Cowen. In just under two weeks time, on 23 February, the International Court of Justice in the Hague will begin a hearing on whether the barrier, which cuts into Palestinian territory, is legal. The Irish Presidency will also discuss the stalled peace process with the Palestinian prime minister - the European Union is one of the four co-sponsors (along with the US, Russia and the UN) of the Mid-East roadkill roadmap to peace.
That's the one Hamas used for a collective buttwipe...

Posted by: tipper || 02/10/2004 9:59:30 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, their standards of public accountability and their foreign policy are pretty close to that of France. I bet they get in before Turkey.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#2  that mob-justice death penalty (typically sanctioned on "collaborators") alone should temper these fantasies ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#3  So the EU would get a tiny tiny new market for its overpriced cheese -- well I guess that's good enough to overlook the terrorism, corruption and so forth
Posted by: mhw || 02/10/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#4  "Just think of the export possibilities! Why, there'd be a Paleo Splodeydope in every kitchen in EUrope!"
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#5  "after peace is reached with Israel, the country should be taken on as an EU member.

If Palestine could become a member of the European Union after a peace agreement, it would be a wonderful incentive".

AFTER PEACE IS ACHIEVED - and as an incentive. This actually makes sense to me. I assume though that they would bring Israel in as well.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#6  LH - Do you really think the EU would let Israel in? Somehow I just dont see it happening.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#7  If I were the Israelis, I would immediately begin construction of a subway line from Gaza to the West Bank.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:24 Comments || Top||

#8  No death penalty, Yassir. How you guys going to get around that one?
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#9  A2U, won't be a problem as there is no EU requirement against state sponsored assasination of innocents though suicide bombing campaign. They still technically qualify and its not like they are barbaric Turks or something. Just look at the generous work release program in PLA jails.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 13:13 Comments || Top||

#10  He also suggested that if the US is too occupied with campaigning for the presidential elections, then the EU and Russia should do more.

At least the Paleos don't have mere matters like elections to distract them from making bombs exploding more important matters...
Posted by: Raj || 02/10/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#11  I think the elections are who can sponsor the most suicide bombings in one month. This way, Arafish wins every time.
Posted by: Charles || 02/10/2004 13:44 Comments || Top||

#12  CF - well seeing what a ruckus theyre making about letting Turkey in, i cant see them letting Israel or the PA in. But IF they were to let the PA in, it would only be natural to let Israel in. To let the PA in and keep Israel out, AFTER a peace agreement, would not fly in Europe - theyre not all French and Belgians.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#13  "......so as not to offend them."
The word is humiliate.

liberalhawk & CrazyFool.
The Israelis would have to be crazy to want to join the EU. All the have to do is to look at the mess Greece, Portugal and a few others are in. Then again I cannot see them bowing to EU dictates on a lot of issues. Especially the religious ones.
Posted by: Barry || 02/10/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#14  Oh great... is that before or after Chechnya? (I would gladly have Israel though, although I think a free trade agreement works better for them.)

Btw I listened to Fischer's proposals at the Munich Security Conference... a lot of hot air, a bit of substance and a desire to be helpful (and a big desire to be Europe's first foreign minister). The French continue to obstruct everything. Madame Alliot-Marie clearly proved it. Not sure how long Germany will put up with this.

And yes, I got 3 minutes with Rummy, plus a phone number. Didn't believe it but he's a much better diplomat than many think and he always appreciates a well presented argument. Not quite the strangler indeed.

I'm back in politics. Let's roll!
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/10/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#15  I still like the sound of Chancellor TGA!
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||

#16  Thanks whitecollar redneck... but only if hell freezes over first...
Posted by: True German Ally || 02/10/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#17  Barry> Oh, yes the mess Greece is in. Do you mean the fact that now we are in the EU we have the strongest democracy that Greece has ever experienced, when before that we had been a philo-American dictatorship or a weak series of governments ready to fall into dictatorships?

Or do you mean the mess Portugal is in, when she also now has a strong democracy, when before the 80s she was also a dictatorship?

Yes, look at the terrible MESS that the EU has caused us.

You idiotic ignoramus.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 02/10/2004 16:54 Comments || Top||

#18  So Aris, why is it exactly that the Greek people are so weak-minded that they let themselves be mind controlled into "philo-American dictatorship" and weak governments?

I guess that 2600 year hangover from getting bitch-slapped by Phillip II's Macedonian thugs is still giving Greece a Brain Cloud, and nothing has been your own fault since.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 02/10/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#19  We need money. Do you know how much bombs cost to make? Do you realize our country is turning into a quarry of demolished buidings. Our cause is right because when we blow up school buses we are only doing Allah's work. the Devil aka 666 etc..
This goes on and on. EU...I think not. but we we shall see if that ever comes to pass, I assume Israel would be part of that since it's economy shines above all the Arab nations in the region.
I'm doing my Rantburg thing and ranting.....not always cohesively but I'm working on it.

Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
New bounties on suspects
What we are willing to pay provides a look into who we think is the most dangerous:
The US army placed new bounties on the heads of suspected insurgent leaders yesterday amid warnings that Islamist militants were poised to unleash a new wave of attacks in northern Iraq. The US army distributed a new poster offering a total of $16.5 million for the capture of the five most wanted men. It maintained at $10m the bounty on the head of Saddam Hussein’s right-hand man, Izzat Ibrahim Al Duri, but added $5m to that on alleged Islamist militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi, whose real name is Fadel Nazzal Al Khalayleh, is accused by the US-led coalition of acting as intermediary between Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network and Ansar Al-Islam, a militant group operating in northern Iraq. The poster, published in Arabic by the US 1st Armoured Division which patrols the Baghdad region, also offered $1m for a member of Saddam’s outlawed Baath party command, Mohammed Yunes Al Ahmad.
Moving up, his mom will be proud.
Numbers four and five on the list each have $250,000 bounties. They are Abdulbaki Abdulkarim Abdullah Al Saadun, the head of the Baath party military bureau in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad, and Moamar Ahmad Yussef Al Jaber, of unspecified nationality, who is described as "the deputy of a terrorist chief."
Zarqawi’s deputy, perhaps?
The announcement of the new bounties came as the New York Times reported that Zarqawi might be deliberately fanning communal tensions between Iraq’s long oppressed Shiite majority and the ousted Sunni Arab elite in a bid to derail the coalition’s plans to hand over sovereignty by June 30.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 9:45:55 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Execution of California Man Put on Hold
EFL - not WOT but followup on something posted earlier....
Only hours before the scheduled execution of an inmate whose plight has generated celebrity support, a federal appeals court stayed the death sentence until evidence in the case can be tested for DNA.
Don't they all generate celebrity support?
The decision Monday by an 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circus Circuit Court of Appeals came less than eight hours before Kevin Cooper was to be executed. The U.S. Supreme Court later unanimously declined to overrule the court’s stay. "No person should be executed if there is doubt about his or her guilt and an easily available test will determine guilt or innocence," wrote seven of the 11 judges on the San Francisco-based appellate panel.

Cooper, who has maintained his innocence through 18 years of appeals, was convicted in the hacking deaths of four people in 1983. He claims a trio of murderers committed the attacks and says DNA tests on hair and a bloody shirt found at the murder scene will exonerate him. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger had declined to grant clemency, saying evidence of Cooper’s guilt was overwhelming. It was the first such plea to cross the governor’s desk. Cooper won support from celebrities such as Denzel Washington, the Rev. Jesse Jackson
Guess which color Cooper is.....
and bad actor and anti-death penalty activist Mike Farrell, who announced the Supreme Court’s decision to nearly 300 protesters outside the gates of San Quentin State Prison. "Thank you for letting the governor know he was wrong," Farrell said to thunderous applause.

The government expressed optimism that Cooper will be executed soon. "We are confident the results of future tests will not cast doubt about Cooper’s guilt," said Hallye Jordan, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer. The 11-judge panel overturned an earlier 2-1 decision by the same court declining to reopen Cooper’s case. Out of deference to the dissenting judge, the majority of the judges agreed to review the case. Judges Barry Silverman and Johnnie Rawlinson, of the larger panel, said the execution should be stayed, but only for as long as it takes to test the shirt for evidence of a preservative that would indicate that Cooper’s blood was planted by police, as the inmate claims.
Shades of O.J.
"The public cannot afford a mistake. Neither can Cooper," they wrote. "Since Cooper’s guilt can be quickly and definitively determined by means of a simple test, there is no reason not to have it performed prior to his execution." Cooper was convicted of stabbing and hacking to death Douglas and Peggy Ryen, both 41, their 10-year-old daughter, Jessica, and 11-year-old Christopher Hughes in 1983. The Ryens’ son, Joshua, then 8, survived a slit throat. Mary Ann and Bill Hughes, the parents of Christopher Hughes, were on the grounds of the prison late Monday preparing to view the execution and were angered by the court rulings. "We feel that justice is long overdue for our son and for the Ryen family, but we still feel that this is going to happen. This is just a delay," Mary Ann Hughes told KTVU-TV. "Personally, I have no doubt in my mind that Kevin Cooper is guilty, and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be executed," said Bill Hughes. "We lost this round, but we’re not through." Cooper’s death would have been the state’s first execution in two years. In its ruling Monday, the appeals court said Cooper must get a chance to refute evidence that only recently has come to light or was not disclosed at trial.
Will his dead victims be allowed to testify as well?
Jackson, a devout attention whore, who met with Cooper on death row earlier in the day, later thanked protesters for massing outside the prison. "This is part of a struggle across a nation to remove a system with flaws," he said.
So.... what are the odds of him apologising to the family of the victims when Cooper is found to have did the deed?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/10/2004 9:42:09 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Okay - FWIW, I am 110% in favor of DNA testing for EVERYONE on Death Row - better we spend the money than take the chance.
Secondly - it stops crap like this from happening.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 02/10/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  There are already groups that will spring for the DNA tests if the government won't. Since the groups are intensely interested in getting people off of death row, I suspect there's more to his calls for a test than we're being told.

Perhaps someone offered to conduct the tests and he refused their assisstance? If the state had refused to make samples available I have no doubt it would be prominent in the coverage, so that's the only possibility that's really open.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#3  ahhh the 9th circuit leaves its stain mark in the annals of justice again. Testing for EMTA, a preservative in blood DNA testing "planted by police" in a crime committed 10 yrs before DNA testing was invented...should be a short hearing, then kill his evil ass. Lanny Davis, Jesse, et al will think of some new "evidence" to keep justice from occurring
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#4  I am also in favor of DNA testing, but it looks like he has failed a DNA test and wants some kind of test to show his blood was 'planted'.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/10/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#5  What, 18 appeals and nobody thought of doing a PCR on the guy. That's pretty unlikely. More likely nis current mouthpiece blew the final appeal, so the 9th stepped in to do it's Mighty Mouse schtick.
Posted by: mojo || 02/10/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  This is a big bunch of BULL$H!T and we should get rid of the 9 Circuit Court. They DA, Defense, Police, and FBI already ran these test and concluded that this guy is a COLD BLOODED KILLER! Jiving Jesse Jackson and Deznel Washington can cry, stomp, whine, or bitch all they want but this man is guilty as SIN. The defense just like jerking the courts around and hope may the bloody shirt and the other MOUNTAIN of evidence was tainted over the 20 years since the quadruple murder.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 02/10/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#7  A few nights ago some prog was run on a local TV station detailing the seemingly high "cost" of capital punishment. Any simpleton can easily figure out that the lengthy appeals process in CA is where a big part of the problem lies.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#8  "Any simpleton can easily figure out that the lengthy appeals process in CA is where a big part of the problem lies."

-B-A-R, quite right. I did a paper on exactly this subject in my undergrad. Basically, once a killer is convicted & given the death sentence an appeal is automatically filed on his behalf by the state. Anything else is not a divine right. You have no right to any other appeals, however, law-dogs make so much $$ from this shit, it goes on and on. Total abuse of the system imho. Plus, as the consumate sarcastic Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), I'd say if you're that far along in the system to get the frickin' chair, you pretty much earned it one way or another. Bwhahaha.....
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#9  18 appeals is too many. 17 chances should be the max when you're looking for swift justice against a criminal. Just ask Saddam.
Posted by: Unmutual || 02/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#10  I for one don't think our capital punishment system is hard enough. Lethal Injection is too easy a death. Bring back the chair, or borrow from the middle ages where neccesary. I have no pity for these slime of life. Roast them on a spit.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#11  In more news from the Ninth, they ruled a San Diego cop had the right to appeal his firing. Seems he was selling jerkoff videos of himself on Ebay and the SDPD didn't seem to think that was "appropriate". Little did they know that they were violating his first amendment rights. Thank God the Ninth was around to rectify this injustice.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:25 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
CPA Briefing 2-9-2004
Snippets
  • Earlier today Ambassador Bremer met with a Turkish business delegation, led by the Union of Chambers and Commodity Exchanges of Turkey. The delegation, which also includes the Turkish ambassador to Iraq, are in Baghdad for the day to look at the foreign investment climate and ways in which Turkey can further contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq. Turkey has already pledged $50 million at the Madrid donors’ conference, placing it among the top 15 contributors.
  • Two targets, Mufook Sadiq (ph) and Salim Kudar Mutab (ph), turned themselves in to coalition authorities last night. Sadiq is a suspected Black Eagle movement member, a terrorist group in the northern area, and Mutab (ph) is a suspected bomb maker.
  • Well, the memo itself says -- the author of the memo himself says that he accomplished 25 operations since he’s been here in Iraq.
    It is clear that the type of techniques that we have seen in certain of these attacks, such as what we’ve seen at the north gate, at the Assassin’s Gate, perhaps in Erbil, perhaps down -- the assassination of Hakim, perhaps the attack on the U.N. building -- all of these have the fingerprints, as we have said, month after month, and hallmarks of al Qaeda, fingerprints of al Qaeda and other foreign fighters. So we can’t rule out that the 25 operations claimed inside that document are untrue. And in fact that just gives us more and more evidence of these -- that al Qaeda is in fact conducting operations, or people who would like to work with al Qaeda are operating inside this country.
  • Yeah, we are persuaded that Zarqawi was the author of this letter. It is our understanding that this letter was being taken by a courier outside this country for delivery abroad. And it is our intent and our -- certainly our hope that -- in the near future that this letter can be declassified.
  • We understand that Grand Ayatollah Sistani is currently in a safe location. We do not believe he is being held by coalition forces. He is certainly not being held by coalition forces, but he is being protected by his own people.
  • On your first question, the November 15th agreement is very explicit: sovereignty will be handed over to the Iraqi people on July 1. June 30th will culminate the effort by which we develop a transitional national assembly; that will be done by June 1. And then during the month of June that transitional national assembly will select an executive branch, if you will, that will assume power on July 1. As I said, that’s explicit in the November 15th agreement.
    What happens in 2005 is a constitutional convention for the permanent constitution of Iraq and then elections at the end of 2005 for the next, what we call the permanent government of Iraq, rather than the transitional government, that will take office this summer. That will be at the end of 2005 and they will begin to take power in 2006.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 02/10/2004 9:28:47 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


List of 55 Most Wanted Iraqis and Their Status
The 55 most-wanted Iraqis and their status, according to U.S. Central Command. Forty-four have been captured or killed and 11 remain at large. Of the 11 who remain at large, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri has a $10 million bounty on his head, while the others have $1 million bounties.
Click on the title for the full list. Here are the eleven still on the run or sleeping in unmarked graves:
-No. 6: Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Revolutionary Command Council vice chairman, longtime Saddam confidant.
-No. 7: Hani Abd al-Latif Tilfah al-Tikriti, director, Special Security Organization.
-No. 14: Sayf al-Din Fulayyih Hasan Taha al-Rawi, Republican Guard chief of staff.
-No. 15: Rafi Abd al-Latif Tilfah al-Tikriti, director of general security.
-No. 16: Tahir Jalil Haboush, chief of Iraqi intelligence service.
-No. 21: Rukan Razuki Abd al-Ghafar Sulayman al-Majid al-Tikriti, head of tribal affairs office.
-No. 36: Sabawi Ibrahim Hasan, presidential adviser, Saddam’s half brother.
-No. 40: Abdel Baqi Abdel Karim Abdallah al-Sadun, Baath Party regional command chairman.
-No. 41: Mohammed Zimam Abdul Razaq, Baath Party regional command chairman.
-No. 44: Yahya Abdellah al-Aboudi, Baath Party regional command chairman.
-No. 49: Rashid Taan Kazim, Baath Party regional chairman.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 9:19:09 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Arab names remind me of the Beagle Boys in those old Disney comics. Ya got yer 176-671, his brother 176-176, and good ol' cousin 176-716.
Posted by: BH || 02/10/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Time to call a board meeting for the Baath Party and get that number down to 7.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#3  How about putting a price on Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's head? ;)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#4  The US military has done a great job of rounding up these tyrants. However, all of the remaining 11 can't be so egotistical or stupid as to stay in Iraq to be captured. Hope to read soon of the mysterious demise of some of these villians who were strolling free in a foreign land,.
Posted by: GK || 02/10/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Paleos Stage Show Trial; USA Not Buying It
From DEBKA
How stupid must the paleos think the west to be, if they believe such an obvious charade would have any credibility. Oh. I forgot. This kangaroo court will have credibility. Never mind.
US ambassador to Israel Dan Kurtzer sharply criticized the Palestinians trial that opened in the Gaza Strip Saturday, February 7, of four men accused of murdering three CIA agents in a roadside bombing last October. He said the trial before a military court should not be held behind closed doors, Washington should have been told in advance and the charge sheet should be tougher – not merely manslaughter but first degree murder.
One week ago they were "investigating." After the US snarls, not only do they have the culprits but they put ’em on trial! Now THAT’S justice for ya! The west could learn a thing or two from dem paleos!
The four accused are the aptly named Naeem Deeb Abu Fool, Basheer Abu Laban, Mohammed Dosouki Asaliyye and Ahmed Abdel Fattah Safi. Their trial was adjourned until February 29. Since the attack, US officials have been ordered to stop traveling to the Gaza Strip, which has seriously affected aid work. Last week, after accusing the Palestinian Authority of failing to track the killers and hand them over, the US embassy in Tel Aviv offered a $5 m reward for information leading to their apprehension. Jibril Rajoub, a senior adviser to Yasser Arafat, accused Washington of subjecting the Palestinians to blackmail over the affair.
"How DARE Washington demand justice and accountability! What’s this world coming to!?" he was quoted as saying ;o)
DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources report that two of the suspects were arrested on the day the US convoy was blown up on October 15 last year; the second pair were picked up on December 20. Their arrest was ordered by Muhammed al Hindi, chief of the Palestinian general intelligence service on the Gaza Strip. Their show trial hurriedly staged in the face of increasingly angry demands from Washington for their handover. The four suspects clearly appeared confused and terrified in court.
bet they would have preferred an Israeli court! DEBKAfile’s sources report that this is not surprising since in actual fact none of the four were involved in the murder of the three American agents. They were not even accused of the crime. The charge sheet describes them as planting roadside bombs on a main highway leading into the Gaza Strip from the Erez crossing point with Israel, the route followed by the American convoy. The Americans watching the case know the four have been set up. Laying roadside bombs is what they do normally, but the bombing of the American convoy was not the work of these pawns small fry. Neither are they members of any Palestinian security force, which means that a military tribunal was not competent to try them.
where, exactly, is the paleo "military" anyway?!?
The real perpetrators of the attack, as we reported last October 18, were Yasser Zannoon and Mohammad al-Baba, chiefs of the Khan Younes militia in the southern Gaza Strip which is run jointly by Jemal Sema Dana, head of the Popular Resistance Committees, and Rashid Abu Shbak, acting head of the Palestinian Preventive Security Service in the Gaza Strip. Although in an advanced state of disintegration, the Palestinian Authority is still prepared to do anything to fight terror. Faced with a secret cutoff of American aid to Palestinian institutions as long as the real killers are not handed over, the PA is nonetheless willing to go the lengths of staging a mock trial with fake suspects in order to protect the real murderers of the three CIA agents.
I think the world has been willing to believe anything the paleos say for so long that they think they can get away with anyting, including this hokum.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 02/10/2004 9:01:25 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The US bombs people all the time!!! Whole nations! maybe you shuold think about that. Violent acts and this goes for everyone is not the answer to any problem. US Govt in criminal league with the zionist entity so in their eyes only palestinians commit violence
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Trolls....love em or bomb em! Howard is not having a good day.
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#3  (YAWN) 1 Corinthians 13
11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

Now is the time.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#4 
#1: You're arguing the general when we're discussing the specific. The general has nothing to do with this particular specific. Paleostinians might not be the only ones who ever commit violence, but this particular violence was committed by Paleostinians and directed against Americans.

Generalized ranting about the depravity of the U.S. and Israel only makes you look foolish. But I guess you're used to that by now.
Posted by: Fred || 02/10/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#5  US Govt in criminal league with the zionist entity..

A sure sign of mental imbalance, Palestinian style, is the mention of a "Zionist entity" or a "ZOG".

Care to try again?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#6  "The US bombs people all the time!!! Whole nations! maybe you shuold think about that. Violent acts and this goes for everyone is not the answer to any problem."

-I know dude; except for stopping Hitler, Facism, slavery, despotism, and ethnic cleansing - war never solves a thing! You're so right dude.

However, MOABs, JDAMs, Thomas-Hawks, Cruise's, - give me a chubby. Nothing like seeing a tow missile incinerate a T-72 a klick away.....f*cking awesome.
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#7  It is a Zionist Entity.War only makes things worse. Look at Iraq ever since the warcriminal Bush and his coalition forces invaded and like a serpent made its way through Iraq it has been like a dog's breakfast over there.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Anon,
You don't understand the Palestinians kill irrationally. In this case, they blew up three Americans that were there to help them. In Iraq the Islamists are currently blowing up their own people.
We're not psychopaths like them because we just kill for oil. When we stick to economic gain and don't worry about helping people than our corporate controllers are happy and when master is happy, then we are happy.
If you look carefully for the economic gain in invading Afghanistan, helping the government of the Philipines and in GHWB's first mission to Somalia the underlying economic gain is more subtle. Go check out the Democratic Underground, we just deal with events at a superficial level. They are much more nuanced.
If you get confused there, reference the closet-wall writings of your dog.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Nothing like seeing a tow missile incinerate a T-72 a klick away...

Or, how about Lockheed's Javelin?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#10  It is a Zionist Entity

the FIRST thing you ought to get through your pin head is the fact that it is the legitimate state of Israel. Reality seems to be a difficult concept for arabs.

once you acknowledge that, understand that Israel has no intention of going away. And in fact, it won't ever, especially at the hands of any arab factions.

next:

The US bombs people all the time!!!

apparently you're saying it's alright for paleos to commit suicide bombings because the US does it. Which means you're saying it's ok for the US to do it. And therefore, for Israel to do it. So thanks for agreeing that Israel's strategy of going after, and killing terrorists is appropriate!!!! I agree!!!


Posted by: PlanetDan || 02/10/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Where ever does it say I approve of anyone bombing. No one should whether they be American Palestinian or whatever. Oh by the way Im not an arab.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 12:49 Comments || Top||

#12  This troll can't be real. Come on guys, somebody is having a laugh. Maybe it's Frank J., lol.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 02/10/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#13  Anon, we know you're not an Arab. I peg you for a liberal Home Economics professor at an Ivy League School, that has come Rantburg to see whether your master's thesis will be well accepted in academia. If you are looking for affirmation, visit Movingon or DU, then bring a well reasoned argument based on fact... unless you like being today's buffoon piñata to be beaten about for our entertainment.
Please, pick a some kind of name; moron tetherball is much more fun when we can identify each shitstick individually. And don't get emotional on us, we're sensitive people that are highly susceptible ad hominen arguments.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 13:28 Comments || Top||

#14  I was ANONYMOUS now I have a name its ANTIWAR.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#15  oooo I'm impressed....a name. I give him a 4.8 on a scale 10. Lack of spittle and no reference to the running dog american capitalist pigs brings the entire show down a few notches ;)
Posted by: Valentine || 02/10/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#16  Holy Quakers Batman! It's ANTIWAR and his band of appeasers.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 13:48 Comments || Top||

#17  "..I love the smell of Napalm in the morning"
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#18  I have to admit, this guy does make things a little more entertaining.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#19  I know Robin. Get ready, we're going to have to use logic.
Posted by: Charles || 02/10/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#20  Cry havoc and let slip the blogs of war!!!!!

(I know it came from someone else but it seemed appropriate just then)
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#21  Classic tragic first-stage idealism. After 20-30 years of real life he/she will make a fine conservative.
Posted by: NotThatAnon || 02/10/2004 14:30 Comments || Top||

#22  I actually respect the anti-war position. For example, T.H. White was a pacifist and struggled his who life to find an alternative. I think we all respect the Amish, who are anti-war and actually live their convictions. We don't know for a fact, that ANTIWAR isn't Amish; we only assume that ANTIWAR drives a gasoline powered automobile and doesn't eat, exclusively the produce, that he/she grows with his/her own hands.

I, myself am a service acedemy graduate that is ant-war in amny cases. I'm not anti-war to the extent that I bemoan the fate of viruses attacked preemptively by my own white-bloodcells.

I suggest that we all ANTIWAR to explain his or her convictions.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#23  So, Antiwar, would you have protested World War 2? Perhaps the Civil War? Simple questions, even a simple mind like yours should be able to answer them.

At what cost is peace preferable? Obviously over 1 million people dead at the hands of Saddam is not enough to 'disturb the peace', so how many dead innocents would it take for you to go to war to stop the killing? 2 million? 3? Or, does it not matter, Saddam was the 'rightful' ruler of a sovereign nation, if he wants to slaughter millions of brown people so what? Peace at any costs! Idiot.
Posted by: Swiggles || 02/10/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#24  CONVICTION Bush, Blair,Howard lied about Saddam's wmd and terrorist connections. The invasion of Iraq was a warcrime.If war is the answer its a stupid question. Would Jesus have fought in a war i don't think so.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#25  "CONVICTION Bush, Blair,Howard lied about Saddam's wmd and terrorist connections."

Actually there has been documented proof of terrorist connections. You just ignore it because it doesn't fit your worldview.

"The invasion of Iraq was a warcrime."

Ummm no. War in itself is not a "warcrime". Violations of the geneva convention that occur during war could be considered warcrimes... but not the concept of war itself.

"Would Jesus have fought in a war i don't think so. "

BWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHA LMAO! Now that was funny!
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#26  Bush, Blair,Howard lied about Saddam's wmd and terrorist connections

Chucklehead, you forgot to list Clinton, Albright, Kerry, Daschle, Germany, France, Russia, the UN and a host of other nimrods who "lied" as well.

While you are scratching your ass in confusion, why don't you look up Operation Desert Fox and who ordered it.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 02/10/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#27  Two points :
- you may like trolls, but confronted to this particular kind of people (not the aggressive, flame-provoking type) on the web as in real life, I am DISGUTED by their self-righteousness. Antiwar, you're so full of your superiority, so certain of being on the *good* side, it makes me wanna puke. What's your point, anyway? "What are you trying to do, be funny? This is serious, we must be prepared for anything, anything."
- I fully intent on remaining anonymous. No name-swap for me, thanks you.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#28  I seem to remember that Christ got cranky with some money changers at the Temple. He tied knots in a rope, turned over their tables and flogged them off the premises.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#29  Why you hate me, I love a food fight.
Posted by: AntiPasto || 02/10/2004 18:33 Comments || Top||

#30  Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird... it's a plane...it's...ANTIWAR!
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/10/2004 20:45 Comments || Top||

#31  Whew..... That was fun today!
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 22:21 Comments || Top||


Israel arrests wanted Fatah leader
Israeli troops arrested a military leader of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement late Monday, the army official said in a statement on Tuesday. Israeli soldiers detained Nasser Abu Rajeb in the Old Town of Nablus in the northern West Bank. The Israeli army said the wanted militant was responsible for recruiting Palestinians willing to carry out suicide bombings against Israeli targets.
Either they surprised him or he’s too important to die for the cause. At least in his mind.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 8:55:44 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  or they plan another prisoner exchange?
Posted by: john || 02/10/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#2  What the hell is this? Did all their guns jam simultaneously. If you want info from him, do the catch and release.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||


Follow-up to staged photo story
HonestReporting.com has sent out this e-mail about the Enric Marti photograph we discussed here at Rantburg Sunday:

Dear HonestReporting Subscriber,

On Feb. 7, while photojournalists were recording a seemingly candid expression of Palestinian suffering, Enric Marti of the Associated Press shot the scene from another angle, including the pack of photographers in his frame:

This is a very telling image, both regarding the news item in question and the larger issue of media coverage of this conflict.

While it’s possible that this woman began weeping before she encountered the photographers, her position; alone, alongside English graffiti; suggests the scene was staged for maximum emotional impact to a Western audience. It seems these photographers are not merely ’capturing the scene’, but rather creating it; either actively (by asking her to pose) or passively (allowing themselves to be manipulated by her, posing for their cameras).

Either scenario misleads the news consumer and is therefore a violation of photojournalistic ethics. The New York Times, for example, sets this standard for the integrity of news photos:
"Images in our pages that purport to depict reality must be genuine in every way... Pictures of news situations must not be posed."
Moreover, these journalists are eagerly pursuing this shot because the image available here; Palestinian suffering at the hands of Israelis; has become the central storyline of this conflict for most media outlets. Real or manufactured, that image appears all too often with utter lack of context, as we see here.

Palestinian suffering is then said to create ’desperation’, which many media outlets use to explain (or even justify) horrific Palestinian terrorism. Arnold Roth, whose teenage daughter was killed by a Palestinian terrorist at the Sbarro’s pizzeria in Jerusalem, warns against passive acceptance of this media message:
"Everything I have learned about Palestinian terrorists since my daughter Malki was murdered tells me that desperation is the last word you should apply to them. These people are jubilant, triumphal, ecstatic at the moment of performing their satanic act of mass murder. The next time you hear about their ’desperation’, think about this image of an Arab woman crying on demand for the gathered paparazzi. We and all our neighbors are being manipulated by photo editors, journalists and reporters in the field."
Did the picture from one of the photojournalists shown here (or a similar photo capturing ’spontaneous’ Palestinian suffering) appear recently in your local paper? If so, forward this photo to the editor, with a note expressing concern that some of the techniques used to cover this conflict don’t meet standards of journalistic integrity.

There are hundreds of candidates for every job opening in big media, and the rewards; in prestige, money, and power; are enormous. Only the most talented or the most ruthless have any chance of success in this brutally competitive industry. Is it any wonder, then, that the journalistic ranks are often filled with sociopaths who would do literally anything for career advancement?
Posted by: || 02/10/2004 8:21:30 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is nothing new. Isn't there a video somewhere of a Palistinian 'funeral' where they dropped the dead guy and he [the dead person] got up and climbed back on the platform?

Somehow that didn't get much playtime on the media....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/10/2004 9:22 Comments || Top||

#2  CrazyFool - I think I heard later that the paleos tried to claim that they were filming a "movie" and not a real funeral.

Sure they were...
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 02/10/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#3  actually, note that the graffiti says: "Stop, Kill the Palestinians" .......what dumbasses
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Frank, I think the Palestinians have turned the panels of the wall into a board game. This woman must have rolled a donate your retirement cash to Yasser's remodel Rammallah fund.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Sooo... how can we pin these journalistic techniques on the "corporate media whores" being paid out of Bushitler's back pocket?

Everyone knows that the media is controlled by a Vast Right-Wing Conapiracy.
Posted by: Unmutual || 02/10/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Apparent Car Bomb At Iraq Police Station , 50 Maybe Dead
An apparent car bomb exploded at a police station south of Baghdad on Tuesday, the U.S. military said, and Iraqi hospitals are reporting at least 50 dead. Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a coalition spokesman, quoted initial police reports as saying six people were killed and 40 injured. He said no U.S. or other coalition forces were killed or injured. Col. William Darley, a military spokesman, said the blast occurred in the town of Iskandariyah, 30 miles south of the Iraqi capital. He had no further details. Meanwhile, the Convention Center, which houses the U.S. military press center and other coalition facilities, was closed Tuesday. Darley said there had been "some kind of threat" against the facility but he gave no further details. The bombing comes on the heels of U.S. officials confirming that an opponent of the U.S. military operation in Iraq asked Al Qaeda leaders for help in creating a sectarian war between Shiite and Sunni Muslims, U.S. officials said Monday.
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 7:27:49 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well,well more casualties because of the coalition forces invasion.There will be a civil war soon because of it. Now that Saddam is gone Al-Queda will move in. Hope Dubya is proud.NOT! When will he realise? Now 50 Iraqis are dead because of coalition mercenaries.Bush etc are all tragedies.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 8:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Faisal, that you, hon?
Sadly, this is Muslim on Muslim crime--it will end when Iraqis have had enough of each other dying needlessly and bloodily and decide they all want to work for democracy and each others' rights.
And while there are 50 dead from this bombing, it beats the thousands, if not millions, of dead Iraqis who were murdered by Saddam and his sons are their whim for decades.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 02/10/2004 8:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Anonymous, who's fault is is that the Christians in Sudan are enslaved, raped and killed by Muslims?
Who's fault is it that the Buddhists are attacked and killed by muslims in Thailand?
Whos fault the Russians riding the subway are killed by Muslims?
Who's fault the Indoesians are raped and villages and churches burned by Muslims?
What about in Nigeria, who's fault the Christians had tires full of gasoline put around their necks and lit by Muslims?
Please explain how this is all someone elses fault except for the muslims who commit these acts?
Looking forward to your reply.

Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 8:09 Comments || Top||

#4  TS,hell that is easy Anon/Fizzle will say it's Bush and the Jews of course.

It absolutly blows y ind that with the revelation of 300,000 mass graves,child prisions and rape chabers we still have fools saying gitting rid of Insane Hussien was a bad idea.

"What fools be these'"
Posted by: Raptor || 02/10/2004 8:32 Comments || Top||

#5  I never mentioned Sudan etc I was talking about Iraq. Whose fault there was an invasion? Yes you guessed it,the lying tragic leaders of the coalition. And in case you didnt know Saddam was a secular president not a fundamentalist and while yes Saddam did commit atrocities and is rightfully condemned for it,the situation will be worse now you will see in the long term. Anyway look at Sharon he is commiting atrocities
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#6  (Yawn) You're gonna have to do better than that to get me out of bed to respond. How 'bout some "sea of fire" and a glass of juche?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 9:05 Comments || Top||

#7  Whose fault there was an invasion?

Saddam's -- he violated the ceasefire.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 9:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Since when is America entitled to tell other nations what to do? Saddam had every right as leader of a sovreign nation to ignore America's hypocritical threats. No one has found Wmds in Iraq, and thats not just me saying it. UN inspectors have said the same.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 9:29 Comments || Top||

#9  Never the muslims fault. No,no,no. Even when it's muslims killing muslims, it's always someone else to blame. The earthquake in Iran was probably Bush's fault too.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#10  Anonymous, yeah and I'm sure you never will mention Sudan either, as you can't blame America or the Jews right?
Whos fault was there an invasion?well, whos fault was there an invasion of Kuwait that started all this in the first place?
Was that Americas fault too?
I'm sure you can come up with a convulted story to blame that one on America too right?
Cmon I know you can!
Oh and Saddam was so secular that he had a quran written in his own blood..yeah no religious fanaticism there.He may not have been a mullah, but he used Islam for power, just like all the other Islamic leaders.
Posted by: TS || 02/10/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm sure the Kurds are glad Iraq has never had WMD, eh, anonymous coward?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 02/10/2004 9:41 Comments || Top||

#12  Accent seems a little thicker today... must be sober.
Posted by: Shipman || 02/10/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#13  Yes Saddam used chemical weapons on the kurds. he was wrong to,however just before operation coalition warcrime he obviously did not have these weapons. David Kay for one said there was no evidence of wmds in Iraq. I suppose you think USA and Dubya are a gift to the world?? Never said the earthquake was Bush,s fault.And Saddam was secular he disaproved of islamic fundamentalism and was considered by fundamentalists as an obstacle to the advance of islam.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#14  Anaon - Just 2 questions, are you an American - I mean do you reside in the USA? Did you find it equally disgusting when President Clinton Bombed Iraq in Opperation Desert Fox? If not, why?
Posted by: A hippie in Topanga || 02/10/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#15  And David Kay also said that Saddam was a greater threat than we had thought. Funny how that part of his presentation is left out of liberal discourse on the issue.
Posted by: AF Lady || 02/10/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#16  Since when is America entitled to tell other nations what to do? Saddam had every right as leader of a sovreign nation to ignore America's hypocritical threats. No one has found Wmds in Iraq, and thats not just me saying it. UN inspectors have said the same.

Why not? Other nations tell us what to do all the time. Saddam had every right as an autonomous being to ignore our requests, and we had every right under the terms of 1991 ceasefire (under which terms and conditions we refrained from going to Baghdad) to hold him to the conditions agreed upon there.

WMD's were not the only reason we went into Iraq - the anti-American bunch may wish it was, but it wasn't. Restoring American credibility among our enemies (i.e. fear of American power) was much more important - and this has largely been accomplished - note the recent capitulation and diminished rhetoric from countries as diverse as North Korea, Libya, Iran and Syria.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/10/2004 11:02 Comments || Top||

#17  Anonymous: I never mentioned Sudan etc I was talking about Iraq. Whose fault there was an invasion?

Of course Anonymous would ignore the Sudan - Muslim atrocities against other religions are acceptable, whereas the American liberation of Iraq isn't. Anonymous's statement that someone was at fault for the invasion assumes that the invasion was wrong - something that we feel to be false. The invasion is not only a good thing from the standpoint of liberating the Iraqis, it will yield strategic dividends for decades to come - this is the campaign that will finally wipe out the disgrace of Vietnam in the minds of our enemies. Iraq will teach America's enemies that they should not expect to prevail even if they manage to inflict large numbers of casualties on US troops. (The aftermath of 9/11, the Afghan and Iraqi campaigns, has already taught our enemies that America will meet them head on in armed confrontation - the Iraq aftermath is showing them that we have the staying power to finish the job).

The implications are far-reaching - for instance, the Chinese have openly said that they believe the deaths of a few thousand sailors would deter the US from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The casualties we are taking in Iraq, unfortunate as they are, will cause the Chinese to revise their calculations, and make war over Taiwan less likely.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/10/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||

#18  Anonymous sounds just that the goat abuser faisal!

Iraqis died because they were attacked by jihadis - not bush you moroon.

Yes Saddam was secular - but if we had supported him instead of taking him out - you would be whinning that we are supporting a tyrant. Your pathetic - nothing satisfies people (lefties wannabes who take up any cause) like you.
Posted by: Dan || 02/10/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#19  Saddam did commit atrocities and is rightfully condemned for it,the situation will be worse now you will see in the long term. Anyway look at Sharon he is commiting atrocities

I guess I missed all those mass graves full of Palestinian bodies....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 02/10/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#20  Anonymous: Now 50 Iraqis are dead because of coalition mercenaries.

I guess he means anti-coalition mercenaries (i.e. al Qaeda). 50 Iraqi dead on a given day isn't a particularly high number by Saddam's standards (even if we don't count the Iraqi losses from the invasions of Iran and Kuwait). Saddam is estimated to have killed 300,000 Iraqis during his 20+ year reign. That comes to about 40 dead a day, every single day. Even if we lump the Iraqis who are killed while attacking US troops in with the daily Iraqi-on-Iraqi body count, it doesn't come anywhere close to 40 a day. Another distinction here is that Saddam specialized in having his opponents' family members raped ond tortured (male or female alike) before putting them to death. The US is neither deliberately targeting bystanders nor inflicting torture and rape upon them. The Iraqi body count is nowhere near Saddam's standards. I fail to see how conditions in Iraq today and conditions under Saddam are remotely comparable.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/10/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#21  Apparent Car Bomb At Iraq Police Station , 50 Maybe Dead

This is very much a case of you snooze, you lose. Ever since 9/11, police precinct HQ's in a lot of areas have been walled off with barriers, to avert the kind of thing that just happened in Iraq. Iraqi police, who are operating in a combat zone, should have been doubly cautious. (And it's not a matter of not having resources - all it takes is some concrete blocks at both ends of the street - you can always set up a work team to put barriers in place).
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 02/10/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#22  "Since when is America entitled to tell other nations what to do?"

-17 violations of '91 peace treaty in 12 years = we can do whatever the fuck we please. Enough said.
Posted by: Jarhead || 02/10/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#23  TS,

Don't ya know who's fault it is? It's the JOOOOOOSSSS ;)
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#24  I had a hinkling the Dubya fan club would reply. Yes I very much disapprove of Desert Fox. I do not support Al-Queda.Sharon's army kills palestinians tortures them and demolishes their homes.Jenin. Ramallah siege. GWB is not the worlds president so no way should he tell other nations what to do.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#25  anon,

"tortures them"... really? evidence/proof? Or you just slandering?

You keep avoiding the question about you're nationality? US, European, Middle East, other?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#26  Nationality if you must know Australian.Proof of torture try reading on the internet, newspapers and books its all there.I suppose you think I made it up
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#27  anon,

I don't think you made it up. I just think you heard it from a subjective unreliable source and bought it hook line and sinker. I've read plenty of accounts about how Jenin was all lies (later admitted by the pals), faked funerals where the people got up out of the coffins and walked around, faked crying and yelling for photo ops, etc...

But even with all the lies coming out about israeli atrocities that are later debunked (though they get little press when they are) I've not read any on torture... got a link?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#28  The Paleos consider it torture cos the JOOOOSSS are next door.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:38 Comments || Top||

#29  Oh, and I see W's eeevvvviiiilllll plan is working, they're killing each other so they won't be occupied killing us.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 02/10/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#30  I still feel a good plan is to take on Iran, occupy Saudi Arabia, let the Israelis handle Syria. At least then we will haves some of the terrosists at arms length. One thing I noticed no one has ever brought up but you know it is possible that the IRAQ invasion was a tactical invasion to be in position for whatever comes our way. I certainly hope we keep a large contingent there far into the future. A little bully policy works with cowards and thugs. But that's my opinion.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#31  G'Day Anon: You keep harping about Bush as the world's president. Perhaps you've forgotten that those were UN resolutions that Sammy chose to ignore. When the UN failed to follow through on their own resolutions, the US led a COALITION of non-cowardly nations to enforce those same resolutions. It' really very simple. You make it sound as if you really care about the long suffering Iraqi people when in reality, your position shows that you could give a rat's ass how they live and how they die. Was it Saddam's good side that led to children..toddlers even, being raped and then dismembered alive in front of their parents? Was it his good side that demanded then that those same body parts be fed to dogs?
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 13:00 Comments || Top||

#32  "it will end when Iraqis have had enough of each other dying needlessly and bloodily and decide they all want to work for democracy and each others' rights."

seeing as how they haven't tired in the last 2,000++ years or so...that's not very encouraging.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#33  How can you say jenin never happened????? Are you mad??? Everyone has a good side including Saddam including you. Because Saddam commited evil deeds doesnt mean he didnt commit good ones too. Such as the literacy program in 1977.He modernized Iraq. No one is good always are you? Try to be less one dimensional in your thinking.I have a feeling in my waters it may be too hard for you but try
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#34  Dude, you're f*(^in' hilarious! "Even Hitler loved his dog."
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#35  Oh shit! I think I just ended this thread! :)
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 13:39 Comments || Top||

#36  You are clutching at spanners with that argument. But you would say something like that. What I say is true and you can't hack it.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#37  I have a feeling in my waters it may be too hard for you but try Kul Wahad! What is this...Dune? Well Anon, the odor of your postings do carry a certain...how shall I say....richness?
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 13:45 Comments || Top||

#38  Well well. looky here. Anon troll has finally come out of the closet as 'Antiwar'. Figures. All dogma....no brains. When ya can't think for yourself, it's comfy to hide behind a political platform.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 02/10/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#39  Hack it? Dude we're too busy laughing our asses off at your ignorance. Lemme give ya some links for your Jenin, here and here for example.
Posted by: Valentine || 02/10/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||

#40  Allrightythen.... We all have the potential for good and evil. The type of person we are depends on the path that we follow. I would argue that Saddam chose the wrong one (power at any cost)and he paid the price; just as if I decided to become an unprincipled, political windsock I would be in the Democratic primary right now. What price for your soul?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#41  Anon/Antiwar said: How can you say jenin never happened?????

Simple, it was proven over and over again that the 'massacre' never happened. Put down the bong and open your eyes! How f*cking stupid are you anyways? You haven't said a single thing that is even remotely true. You are nothing but a lying piece pig shit. You might be able to have your ignorant friends believe your lies, but not here. You really should just try to learn the truth about what is going on. It's obvious you are an ignorant fool.
Posted by: Swiggles || 02/10/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#42  Jenin is true. You denying it doesnt change it. I expect you are a holocaust denier too.What kind of sick bastard are you?? I didnt expect someone called whitecollar redneck to be a democrat.The KKK maybe or Dubya supporter.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#43  anon,

"How can you say jenin never happened????? "

um.... simple. Because it didn't. The pals admitted they lied. What you didn't get that news in the socialist worker?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#44  antiwar,
holysh-t! Did you just compare the holocaust to jenin? My god are you totally f-cked up beyod all redemption! How pathetic to see...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#45  btw, my favorite part about the jenin bs was the anti-semetic reporters writing about how it was the worst atrocity in decades bla bla bla which even if it had been true is an over the top ridiculous statement that screams "I hate jews!". Then on top of that they all had to retract because they bought the lies the pals sold them... yeah great reporting dumbasses. Hmmm I wonder how that noble outlet the BBC is doing regarding he Gilligan fiasco... another bastion of leftist propogana lie rag media.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#46  (Yawn) "KKK maybe or Dubya supporter"

Sharpen your wits and lose the trite uberleft perjoratives.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#47  I am not antisemitic anti zionist yes. In case you are not aware many jews are antizionist too.Re jenin just look at the internet you will find lots of proof with pictures.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 14:38 Comments || Top||

#48  Wow, antiwar... you really are clueless aren't you? Do you ignore all facts that oppose your worldview? What part of Arafat's admission that on 50 someodd palestinians died and not the 500+ they were claiming did you miss? What part of his admission that they were fighters and not civilians and they died in a triumphant "victory" over Israel where they killed 23 israeli soldiers did you miss? What part of the UN report that debunked the whole massacre bs did you miss? What part of every news outlet including the guardian admitting they jumped to conclusions did you miss? Get a clue you and maybe a paper too...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#49  I am not antisemitic anti zionist yes.

"As a matter of fact some of my best friends are semites and zionists"

Ooooooo, this thread is going to set new Rantburgian length records.

Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 14:44 Comments || Top||

#50  So you think its ok for 50 people to be killed???? You didnt mention the injured I expect they don't matter to you. Or the homes demolished by the zionist (yes Ive said it)army.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 14:52 Comments || Top||

#51  Destroy a bus, get your home destroyed. Seems fair to me:)
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#52  They were 50 someodd fighters, not civilians. So yes, it's OK they got splattered.
Posted by: Steve YAO || 02/10/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#53  First of all don't you see the inherit ridiculousness in caling something a massacre when 50 people die on one side at 23 on the other. That's more of a close battle, don't ya think?

Second it was proven first and then admitted to after by Arafat that the 50 pals who died were fighters, not civilians. The last estimate I saw was that their were 3 civilian deaths.

Regarding the homes being destroyed they were the homes of suicide bombers that killed dozens of civilians in Israel and they were the homes from which the militats were firing at the israeli army from. Now you can argue all you want about them having the right to fire at israeli military forces coming into their town but Israel has the perfect right to fire back. And if Israel was 1/10th as brutal as you jokers keep fooling yourselves that it is then they would have just used bombers and leveled the place instead of going house to house to avoide civilian casualties and in the process losing 23 of their own.

Why are you one sided... why do you attack Israel so much if your "antiwar"? Or does antiwar not include being against targetting and murdering civilians... only against attacking sodiers? Hmmm I guess that would make sense and explain why I've been so confused by anti-war people's stances all these years...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 15:00 Comments || Top||

#54  I don't have the link to prove it, though it would be easy to verify, but international agencies, most notably HRW, put deathtoll at Jenin at... 52-56, and they emphasized that while israeli used indiscriminate force, the paleo used civilians as weapons courriers, human shield, scouts,... go to HRW.org ans search. You'll also have to remember that israeli troops casualties were in the 20-25 range. I'm a froggy, I get my news from the most anti-israeli mediacracy in the whole west, with propaganda movies about "Jeningrad" shown on tv and in festivals while debunking documentaries are deliberately ignored by public terriblevision, and I never had the feeling Jenin was anything else than a fierce if localized urban battle. of course, that doesn't stop the paleos from winning the infowar, and having their side of the story propaged by fools like my fellow anon/antiwar.
But, hey, even when speaking about Iraq, it's good to blame the jews. Jenin, my ass; antiwar, if you're serious, you're a fool, otherwise, you're cynical and blinded by ideology.
Posted by: Anonymous || 02/10/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#55  "civilians as weapons courriers, human shield, scouts"

HRW doesn't even make sense if that's what they claim. Weapons couriers, human shields and scouts are by definition not civilians. They are enemy combatants. How can you be a civilian weapons courier?!?
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#56  Jews are not meant to have a nation now.They have to wait until the messiah comes since according to judaism he is not jesus they are still waiting.They are meant to live in peace among the nations in which they are dispersed by until the redemption.This is from a rabbi Iam not just saying it.
Posted by: Antiwar || 02/10/2004 15:21 Comments || Top||

#57  This is getting better all the time. :)
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#58  Why don't you get your lazy ass out of the house...go down and enlist and be a man if that is possible. It would do you some good. Hell you may even learn something real.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#59  Antiwar,

Is this really you saying this garbage or did someone hijack your name? If it's you... then you're obviously a maniac...
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 02/10/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#60  It's amazing what falls out when you grab someone by the ankles and shake long enough.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 02/10/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#61  G'Day Faisal Murat Anonymous! We really appreciated the Australian SAS Lads help during OIF. Worked with them pretty close during some security missions in Kuwait and Iraq while I was there. Plus the Aussie Army have got vastly superior field rations over our MRE's. Yep Anon, the Ole' Snake-Eaters from Down Under did a smashing job in hunting down quite a few Cock-Sucker-Heads(TM)and rebuilding what Sammy had broke over the last 25 or so years. God Bless the "Roo Crew"!!
Posted by: Bodyguard || 02/10/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#62  BTW Anon, after reading some of your postings, I think you might want to consider grammar lessons, (Blah-Blah-Blah Comma space next thought xxxxxx...)and perhaps a little less Vegamite on your toast in the morning.
Posted by: Bodyguard || 02/10/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#63  Where did he go?
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 02/10/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#64  Antiwar: Here is a link from the BBC of all places debunking that Jenin was a massacre. Please read then link to the some of the articles that prove Jenin was a massacre, which you keep claiming are all over the internet.
Posted by: 11A5S || 02/10/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#65  Just some mind numbing questions I'm sure one for Antiwar et al. who make the USA thir home and despise it so much.
a) Have you ever had any pride whatsoever in your country the USA?
b) Have you ever saluted (school don't count) an American Flag
c) Have you ever waved or raised an American Flag in honor?
d) Do you know what the American Flag represents?
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#66  American Flag in Iraq anyone?
Posted by: Bodyguard || 02/10/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||

#67  www.rantburg.com/default.asp?D=4/19/2003
Posted by: Bodyguard || 02/10/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#68  Yep on the bases we keep there long after the election in IRAQ.
Posted by: dataman1 || 02/10/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#69  Everyone has a good side including Saddam including you. Because Saddam commited evil deeds doesnt mean he didnt commit good ones too. ... No one is good always are you? Try to be less one dimensional in your thinking.

This says it all. This guy (anon) is seriously fucked up.
Posted by: Rafael || 02/10/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#70  You've known me as Napoleon VII.... but I'm really ANTIPASTO!
Jews are not meant to have a nation now.They have to wait until the messiah
This hammer could be one of the weird fundy Kibutz guiz.... more likely a Deanie Greenie.
Posted by: AntiPasto || 02/10/2004 18:29 Comments || Top||

#71  44!
Posted by: AntiPasto || 02/10/2004 18:30 Comments || Top||


’Three of Diamonds’ arrested in Iraq
US forces in Iraq have captured one of the remaining most-wanted officials in Saddam Hussein’s toppled government, American defence officials say. Muhsin Khadar al-Khafaji was a Baath party chairman in the southern region of Qadisiyah, the US military said. The officials gave no details how Mr al-Khafaji, number 48 and the "three of diamonds" in the US set of 55 playing cards of the most-wanted, was captured. His detention leaves 11 of the 55 most-wanted still at large
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#1  From Hi Pakistan: A former Baath party chairman, Muhsin Khadr al-Khafaji, 48th on the US list of most-wanted Iraqis, was turned over to US forces at the weekend, a defense official said. Muhsin had turned himself in to Iraqis, who then gave him to US forces, the official said. "They turned him over to us on Saturday," the officials said.
Posted by: Steve || 02/10/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
LRA attack in northern Uganda kills 10
UGANDA’S Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) rebels attacked another village in northern Uganda at the weekend, abducting at least 10 farmers before clubbing them to death, military and local sources said today. "These rebels are becoming crazy. They attacked Ojuru village in Abako sub-county yesterday, found people who had returned to the villages to tend to their gardens and abducted all of them, but later decided to club them to death," army spokesman Lieutenant Chris Magezi said by telephone from Lira town in northern Uganda.
"They weren't too tightly wrapped before, either!"
Magezi said about 10 people were clubbed to death, but local leaders put the death toll at 15, with about four injured and admitted to Lira Hospital. Church sources said the death toll could be between 10 and 18. Religious leaders from the Lango sub-region, composed of districts of Lira and Apac, which has become the epicentre of the rebellion, appealed to the government to offer affected people more protection, warning that the rebellion could soon trigger international intervention. "Ugandan authorities have the duty to protect the entire civil population living in northern Ugandan districts, where the LRA rebels wreak death and destruction," Anglican Bishop John Odurkami of Lango Religious Leaders Forum (LRLF) said in a note sent to the government. "If the government is not capable of guaranteeing safety to the people, with its armed forces, it has the moral obligation to request intervention of an international peacekeeping force, led by the United Nations," Odurkami added.
That always works well...
The army said by housing refugees in camps, it is able to protect them against being abducted and forced into LRA ranks.
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#1  where's Jesse??? Oh yeah, he's here in So Cal trying to get convicted family-slasher-muliple-murderer Kevin Cooper off death row. That, of course, would be the Lord's work, and oh, so different, from the above
Posted by: Frank G || 02/10/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Question: does Uganda have a 2nd amendment problem?

I mean, if I were a farmer in the wilds of Uganda and knew that crazies idjits zombies cannibals terrorists like the LRA were about, I'd have an AK-47 pretty close by wherever I went. If I were behind M'Bessie the Water Buffalo plowing the field, I've have my rifle slung over my shoulder. I'd even spend some of my money ammo and get to be rather proficient at hitting the 10-spot at up to about 50 yards or so. And I'd start teaching the little woman and the young'ns to handle the family pistol(s) properly.

Didn't we go through this in our own history? Might we perhaps, oh, I don't know, CLUE THESE IDIOT UGANDAN GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES IN?

I think the Bishop should be appealing for the government to form local village militas, pass out some weapons and provide some rudimentary training. Heaven helps those who help themselves.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/10/2004 1:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Dr White, as Uganda ranks on the very bottom tier of countries with respect to corruption, the central government cannot be counted upon to defend it's citizens adequately. I agree with your idea that Uganda would be a perfect place for an active local militia. As a fellow Steve broke on 2/5, at least one fifth of the soldiers on the government payroll only exist on paper.
The only draw-back that I can detect would be that some local jack-ass, would decalre himself the supreme ruler of the local area. As opposed to have the local Rotary Club be kidnapped and beaten to death, rediscovering the medieval convention of the local barron doesn't seem so bad of an alternative.

As Frank points out, this would be a great opportunity for Rainbow Push to make a difference. Alas I think Jesse's business plan is predicated on cash flowing in the exact opposite direction.

An alternative might be to found a program called Tech 9's for farmers. We could collect all the illegal street handguns collected through the country, package them up and forward them to a local villager chosen at random. Maybe the NRA and the Brady folks could both sponsor the program because I doubt Uganda has more than muddy goat trails so the program would still represent an effort to get guns off the streets.

Maybe the UN would like to donate some of the guns they are buying up in Liberia to the cause. Shipping costs would be reduced.

In the case that no NGO is willing to help, individual farmers may have to take matters into their own hands. In my youth, I think I watched enough episodes of Gillighan's Island to be able to rig a nasty surpise for the LRA with only bamboo, cocanuts and bicycle parts.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
Renewed fighting in western Gambella
Renewed fighting has erupted in the western Gambella region bordering Sudan, claiming as many as 40 lives, according to UN and humanitarian sources. The clashes broke out just weeks after fighting had left up to 150 people dead in Gambella, officials told IRIN on Monday. It had broken out on Friday at the Dimma refugee camp, about 800 km from the capital, Addis Ababa, and home to 18,700 Sudanese refugees, the humanitarian sources said. Clashes had also occurred around a gold mine, 30 km from Dimma in late January, as well as in the town itself a day later, they added.
"Mahmoud, y're a yeller-bellied, low-life, infidel claim jumper!"
"Go fer yer guns, Abdul! Nobody calls me an infidel!"
The UN said that following the January attacks, staff of the World Food Programme (WFP) and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) were relocated for their safety. In its weekly bulletin released on Friday, the WFP said security conditions in the region had "deteriorated significantly" over the last few weeks. "These security incidents come on the heels of similar incidents that took place in the Gambella area in mid-December 2003, which resulted in the loss of lives and damage to property," the WFP bulletin stated, but noted that food distributions to refugees had continued.

The fighting in western Ethiopia has also sparked international concern. British International Development Secretary Hilary Benn, who arrived in Ethiopia on Sunday, has told the British parliament that up to 150 people died in the December clashes. "There is still a high level of ethnic violence in Ethiopia," Benn told parliament recently. "We take human rights very seriously."
Oh, yasss!
The US government, meanwhile, has sent a security team to the troubled Gambella region. Asked whether it had raised the issue with the Ethiopian government, a US embassy official said: "As a practice, the US government does not comment on diplomatic communications between the US government and other governments. The United States, however, is always concerned for the welfare of its citizens, and others, in cases of reported ethnic violence."
"Yes, we did, but we were polite, and we're not telling you about it. Go away. Y'bother me."
The Gambella clashes have prompted a wave of Anyuaks to flee to Sudan.
When you flee to Sudan, things are really bad...
UNHCR says about 5,000 of them, mostly men and boys, have arrived in the Sudanese town of Pachala. Senior UN sources also told IRIN that the UN were planning to send high-profile human rights officials into Pachala to interview the Anyuak refugees. The fighting has largely been between Anyuaks on the one hand and Ethiopian highlanders, who have moved into Gambella in recent years, and government troops on the other hand. It was initially sparked by an attack on a UN-plated vehicle in which eight government refugee workers were killed. The Anyuaks were blamed for the attack, and dozens of them killed in reprisals. The Anyuaks are resisting plans for a new refugee camp on land they regard as their territory, and claim they are being forced out of the area and are losing political power.

Human rights organisations argue that tensions are being fuelled by government policies which divide political power along ethnic lines. Analysts in the region say they fear that the instability in the region could reignite conflict between the Anyuak and another ethnic group, the Nuer. The two groups have raditionally fought over land rights and political representation.
"Yar! We be terditional enemies!"
"Yar! Us, too!"
The defence ministry insists that troops sent into the area after the first spate of fighting broke out in December, are trying to restore calm. A spokesman of the federal affairs ministry contacted on Monday said he was unable to immediately comment on the fighting.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:52:32 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ... following the January attacks, staff of the World Food Programme (WFP) and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) were relocated for their safety.

"Run away! Run away!"
Posted by: Steve White || 02/10/2004 1:36 Comments || Top||


Bashir sez Darfur rebellion has been suppressed
President Omar al-Bashir has said the army has crushed a year-old rebellion in the Darfur region of western Sudan, but a spokesman for one of three rebel groups insisted they remained in position.
Bashir is hardly the most trustworthy of sources, but the Darfur rebels look like they’re suing for peace talks and the Sudanese military is reported attacking towns on the Chadian side of the border now. My guess is that any major rebel formations were probably pulverized (along with lots and lots of civilians) and that the remnants have likely either fled into Chad or dispersed for the time being. One other interesting note is that Hassan Turabi remains a free man despite claims that he orchestrated the whole thing. So were those charges false or did he just cut a deal with Bashir?
In a military communique put out by his office, al-Bashir declared the "end of military operations" and said all three component states in the troubled area bordering Chad were "entirely in government hands." He called for a general amnesty throughout the region provided that all rebels surrender their weapons to police within a month, and for the organisation of a conference on "development and peace" in the Darfur area. But al-Bashir warned: "The armed forces are prepared to dissuade all those who would threaten the security of our citizens."

Colonel Abd Allah Abd al-Karim, military spokesman for the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) - one of the rebel groups fighting against government troops in the Darfur region - quickly denied al-Bashir’s claim. "This information is false. We still control all of our positions in the Darfur region, notably in Jabal Marrah and Jabal Moun," two mountainous districts, Abd al-Karim told AFP by telephone. Abd al-Karim, who said he was speaking from the Jabal Marrah area, said his movement had been observing a unilateral ceasefire for over a week for "humanitarian reasons", mainly to allow refugees to move within the region. But he promised "military surprises in the coming days", without elaborating. The other two rebel movements - the Sudan Liberation Movement (SLM) and the Sudan Federal Democratic Alliance (SFDA) - could not be reached for comment.
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Caucasus
Basayev’s black widows
A useful primer on the boomerettes of Riyadus Salikhin, where they come from, and who leads them. I also find it rather interesting that Basayev and Abu Walid have evidently chosen a woman to serve in a commanding role in their terror brigades. While the PKK and MEK have been more than willing to do that, to my knowledge this is the first time that Islamists have granted this kind of authority to a woman within their organizations.
Medna Bayrakova remembers the day a middle-aged woman showed up at her door and asked to speak to her 26-year-old daughter, Zareta. They shut themselves in the bedroom for half an hour, and then her daughter left, saying she was walking the visitor to the bus stop. An hour later, Zareta still hadn’t returned and several men in camouflage knocked at the door of the family’s ravaged apartment in this ruined Chechen capital. "We have taken away your daughter. She has agreed to marry one of our men," one said.
Bayrakova protested. "She’s a sick girl. She has tuberculosis. She was coughing up blood only this morning."
"We will cure her," they replied quietly.

The next time Bayrakova and her husband saw their daughter’s face, it was 24 days later - separatist Chechen rebels had seized Moscow’s Dubrovka Theater, along with 800 hostages. Zareta’s unmistakable dark eyes were visible above a black veil on the television screen. Her fingers were clasped below a belt of powerful explosives. There was one last view, this one a postmortem photo taken after federal agents gassed and stormed the theater in the early morning hours of Oct. 26, 2002, leaving all 41 hostage-takers and 129 of the captives dead. This time, Zareta’s face was swollen and bruised - barely recognizable. "They asked me, ’Is it your daughter?’" Bayrakova said. "But the face was all smashed. She looked all beaten up. And then I passed out."

In strapping the explosives belt to her waist that fall day in 2002, Zareta Bayrakova joined the cult of the "black widows," the female suicide bombers who have left much of Russia on wary watch for the mysterious, dark-eyed woman in a long fur coat who is believed to recruit them. Another attack yesterday left Muscovites terrified once more. At least 39 died and 120 were injured when a bomb exploded on a packed subway car during the morning rush hour. While it remains unclear who set off yesterday’s bombing, Russians immediately suspected Chechen separatists. The attack reminded everyone of their vulnerability, even as the entire nation was on the look-out for "Black Fatima."

The middle-aged woman with dark hair, popularly known as "Black Fatima," has been identified as a recruiter for the women known as shahidas, or martyrs. The woman reportedly has been seen lurking on the edges of terrorist bombings during a decade of tensions between Russia and the breakaway republic of Chechnya. Russian troops pulled out of the republic after a disastrous 1994-1996 war, and the mostly Muslim region has exercised self-rule. On Dec. 9, a young woman blew herself up in front of Moscow’s historic National Hotel, killing six others. An older woman in a dark coat and fur hat reportedly was seen slipping away from the scene. On Dec. 5, suicide bombers blew up a commuter train in the southern region of Stavropol, killing at least 44 others and injuring more than 150. Authorities said three women and one man were involved in the attack.

Chechen commander Shamil Basayev is said to have trained a force of as many as 50 black widows for suicide attacks against Russian targets. Sergei Ignatchenko, spokesman for Russia’s Federal Security Service, said Arab militants "have abused the idea of Chechnya’s independence to suit their own ends."

"The Chechens do not have the right to stain with their blood the streets of Russian cities, which are rear bases of the aggressors’ army?" the Chechen separatist Web site, Kavkaz Center, asked sarcastically. "A Russian tank driver, with intestines of Chechen children on its caterpillar track, and the pilot of a low-flying warplane shelling a bus with women and infants, are just unscrupulous uses of force, while a Chechen widow blowing herself up together with the pilots who have murdered her children is terrorism and cannot be justified. According to their logic, the Chechen nation must die magnanimously and in silence."

The bombing on the edge of Red Square crossed a red line of sorts for many Muscovites. "Maybe they are doing this out of religious convictions, but I think it’s against our God and against the soul of every human being. No normal woman would be likely to do this," said Tatyana Yezhova, a 19-year-old medical student injured in the bombing. Chechen terrorists have attacked rock concerts, subway stations and commuter trains full of students. After the hotel bombing, a composite drawing was distributed, purported to be a likeness of Black Fatima. By then, everyone in Moscow knew who she was, mostly thanks to Zarema Muzhikhoyeva, a would-be black widow who in July set out to blow herself up at a restaurant on Moscow’s Tverskaya Street. The 23-year-old resident of Chechnya was stopped by security guards, but her bomb later detonated accidentally and killed a Russian police officer trying to defuse it.

Muzhikhoyeva, whose husband was killed fighting the war while she was pregnant with their daughter, told her interrogators that she had been "a virtual slave" to rebels who convinced her that it was her religious duty to go to Moscow and detonate a bomb at a cafe on busy Tverskaya Street. Investigators told the Moscow paper Kommersant that a woman Muzhikhoyeva knew as Lyuba - Black Fatima - took her to a house near Moscow and visited her frequently during the next week. She told police that Lyuba often gave her orange juice that made her dizzy and gave her a headache. On the last day, she said, Lyuba gave her more juice, handed her a rucksack containing a bomb and showed her how to set it off. In a jailhouse interview published recently in the newspaper Izvestia, Muzhikhoyeva said two Chechen men prepared her for the task and dropped her off near the cafe. After being confronted by three men, she said, she went back on the street. She said she had decided not to pull the switch but feared that her trainers would set it off by remote control. "Neither I nor they knew what to do," she said. "I was walking along, waiting for death." Finally, a police officer approached and ordered her to drop her bag. "I carried out the command and stepped away from this terrible bag," she said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:39:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
According to their logic, the Chechen nation must die magnanimously and in silence.

During the first years following the distintegration of the Soviet Union, Chechnya had a real opportunity to acquire autonomy and even independence through patient and peaceful political action. Instead, the hotheads, Islamic radicals and criminals guided events, with the eventual consequence that the Chechnyan nation has been devastated beyond any hope of repair.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 2:50 Comments || Top||

#2  ...mysterious, dark-eyes woman in a long fur coat...

There being one woman sounds strange. Is anyone else reminded of Phillip Pulman's "Golden Compass"?
Posted by: S || 02/10/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||


Russia
Russian ultra-nationalists call for ethnic crackdown
Shocked reaction to Friday’s metro bombing is strengthening voices calling for a crackdown on ethnic minorities in the capital and a toughening of state power as the influence of nationalist and hawkish forces rises. In one of the strongest reactions to the blast, Dmitry Rogozin, co-leader of the populist-nationalist Rodina bloc, called for the declaration of a state of emergency and laid the blame for the attack squarely at the feet of "ethnic crime." "It is clear that this terrorist act was an attempt to undermine the power of the state in the country," Rogozin said Friday, Interfax reported. "This was committed on the eve of the presidential elections and the reaction to it should be the harshest. The enemy is here, within. This is ethnic crime, which is supporting terrorists arriving in Moscow, which owns property in Moscow and is imposing its will on the authorities. These ethnic criminals are behaving insolently and should get the harshest response." There is a large Chechen diaspora in Moscow.

Rogozin’s Rodina bloc surged into the State Duma with a surprisingly strong showing in this December’s parliamentary elections on a nationalist and anti-big business ticket. The campaign tapped into a rich vein of ethnic resentment as well as an ideological vacuum left by the collapse of communism and the failure of liberal market reforms to boost living standards for the majority. The bloc joined Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s nationalist Liberal Democratic Party, which also boosted its standing in the Duma, to give nationalist forces nearly 20 percent of all seats. The rise in influence of nationalist factions comes as forces from the security services grow in power under former KGB official President Vladimir Putin. On Friday, Zhirinovsky, too, called for all immigrants from the Caucasus regions to be deported from the capital.

Analysts said the growing voice of nationalist forces in the country’s political life could embolden leaders to take tougher action. "The situation in the country and the results of the Duma elections could give [Moscow Mayor Yury] Luzhkov and other leaders carte blanche to introduce tougher measures in pushing out migrants and in increasing police powers," said Yevgeny Volk, political analyst at the Heritage Foundation. Duma Speaker Boris Gryzlov, the former interior minister, also called for greater police powers.

Analysts said it was unlikely Rogozin’s call for a state of emergency would find any greater resonance, but they said moves to beef up security could strengthen the hand of those calling for tougher authoritarian measures. "Terrorism is becoming an element of everyday life in Russia," said Lilia Shevtsova, political analyst at the Carnegie Moscow Center. "This can be used to strengthen totalitarian tendencies. This is much more of a threat."
That's the whole idea, to turn a liberal democracy into a police state as it seeks to protect itself. The idea is that the people will then rise up and dump the regime, at which point the bad guys get to implement their grand plan. See Uraguay, Tupamaros.
She said the Kremlin would seek to keep the lid on nationalists like Rogozin because growing nationalist sentiment could ultimately provide an even bigger threat to Putin’s power base. "Nationalism is still not a dominant part of the Russian mentality," she said. "It is possible to stop nationalism in its tracks as a dominant ideology as long as the Kremlin does not force it to the top."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:31:19 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Until a bomb goes off at a theatre near you.
Posted by: Lucky || 02/10/2004 2:26 Comments || Top||

#2  This is not a good time to be a Chechen in Russia.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 3:03 Comments || Top||

#3  1. The LDs would target all chechens, regardless of their support for the terrs, regardless even of their support for Chechen independence. Remember there are some Chechens working WITH Russian authorities - if they are to be discriminated against, how can you not expect Chechens to rebel in some form.

2. LD's dont specify Chechens in the above statement - they say all immigrants from the Caucasus including - Dagestanis, ingush, etc - groups whose homelands have remained loyal to Russia - why? because LD isnt motivated by terrorism or rebellion, but by dislike for brown skinned muslims living in Moscow.

3. LD isnt just anti-muslim - theyre antisemitic, and antiwestern as well.

Remember - the enemy of my enemy isnt always my friend.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 02/10/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Liberalhawk -- while I agree with your comments in general, the line about "brown-skinned" people is off-base. Some peoples of the Caucasus (the Chechens, for example) are darker, in general, than Russians. Others, such as the Circassians are quite fair -- often blond with blue eyes. Moreover, in no mainstream racial scheme have the people of the Caucasus ever been considered anything but Caucasians -- in fact, as the name indicates, the peoples of the Caucasus are the proto-typical Caucasians (this goes back to early German anthropology). True, Russians are often deeply prejudiced against "swarthy" people who look like they might hail from Muslim areas. But this doesn't mean that such people have brown skin. It is time to drop this racial obsession. The hard left tells us that we went to war in Afghanistan because of racism. Evidently, their brains refuse to process what their eyes see: the Pashtuns as well are "Caucasian" by any definition of the term.
Posted by: closet neo-con || 02/10/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#5  I think you all give the skinheads too much credit. They have already made their statement: A nine-year old Tajik girl has been stabbed to death in the Russian city of St Petersburg by suspected skinheads.

Anybody surprised. As I remeber the backlash in the USA was pretty much consisted of some people hassled and a Sikh killed by a total looney that didn't bother to even figure out whether the guy was a moslem.
Posted by: Super Hose || 02/10/2004 17:17 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Tbilisi received advance notice of Moscow boom from informant
There’s quite a bit of interesting info here ...
A man showed up at the Russian Embassy in Tbilisi a day before the Moscow metro blast and warned that Chechen rebels planned to carry out a "huge" terrorist attack in the capital on Friday, Georgia’s state security minister said Monday. The revelation came as investigators said Friday’s explosion bore the trademarks of a train suicide bombing in Stavropol last year and Moscow observed a day of mourning.
"Putin knew! People blew!"
Georgian Security Minister Valery Khaburdzania said the man was recruited by authorities in the breakaway region of Abkhazia who knew of the bombing in advance and plotted to place the blame for the attack on Georgia. He said the man, Nazir Aidabolov, a Russian citizen from the republic of Kabardino-Balkaria, was told to go to the Pankisi Gorge and collect the names of several Chechens there that he could later give to Federal Security Service officials at the Russian Embassy. This would have created "the impression that the terrorist acts had been planned specifically in the Pankisi Gorge," Khaburdzania told reporters in Tbilisi. He said Aidabolov went to the embassy and warned an FSB officer there that Chechens were planning a major attack for Friday. Abkhaz officials denied Khaburdzania’s allegations Monday.

Aidabolov also warned the FSB officer that a second attack would be carried out at an outdoor market in the southern Stavropol region two or three days later, Khaburdzania said. Stavropol authorities ordered all regional markets closed for three days after the Moscow bombing for sanitary inspections. The FSB has detained Aidabolov for questioning, Ekho Moskvy radio reported. FSB officials could not be reached for comment late Monday. But earlier in the day, the FSB, which is in charge of the metro bombing investigation, reiterated that Friday’s blast was most likely the work of a suicide bomber. "This terrorist act is identical to the one committed last year in Yessentuki," FSB deputy director Vyacheslav Ushakov told a gathering of State Duma deputies in the Moscow region. In December, a suicide bomber blew up a train near the Stavropol region town, killing 46 people. Ushakov did not elaborate on the similarities.
Use your imagination...
But sources close to the investigation said Monday that the explosive device used Friday had been packed with metal nuts and bolts - shrapnel meant to increase the force of the blast and used by Chechen suicide bombers in a series of attacks last year.
Just like Hamas is fond of doing...
The investigation is being headed by Alexander Zhdankov, the FSB’s pointman for combating terrorism and a former commander of the federal forces in Chechnya. Local media said his involvement might help investigators trace possible links between the explosion and Chechen rebels. As one of his first acts, Zhdankov ordered FSB departments in the North Caucasus region to search for possible accomplices in the Moscow bombing and focus on the families that lost relatives in the ongoing war with federal troops, Kommersant reported Monday. FSB sources said the blast might have been ordered by Arab warlord Abu Walid, who is thought to be responsible for distributing foreign financial aid among Chechen rebels, Moskovsky Komsomolets reported. While the main theory being investigated is that a suicide bomber detonated the explosives, the FSB is also looking into the possibility that a time bomb might have been left on the train and exploded when a passenger picked it up, Kommersant said. Investigators earlier established that the device detonated about 50 centimeters above the floor. A third theory is that the blast might have been accidental.
I think we can discount that one...
Although the official death toll has been placed at 39, reports from a morgue official familiar with the situation and in the local media put the number at between 50 to 120 people. Gazeta reported Monday that City Hall has a list of the actual number of people killed that is much higher than the official one, but the FSB has barred it from releasing the information. The FSB denied this. "We are ignoring this report. The main thing now is to conduct the investigation," an FSB spokesman said by telephone. The Moscow prosecutor’s office issued a vague statement saying that 39 is not the final figure but it was unlikely to change. Prosecutors said 34 bodies had been identified as of Monday - 18 men and 16 women. They said the dead included two Armenians and one Moldovan. The youngest was a teenager who was to turn 18 this month and the oldest was a man of 57. Pavel Ivanov of the Russian Forensic Medicine Center said the exact death toll could be established in four weeks, after experts study all the body fragments, RIA Novosti reported. The type of metro car that exploded can carry up to 200 passengers, Moscow metro spokeswoman Yelena Krylova said.
I guess that's the upper limit number, then...
Amid the accusations that rebels are behind Friday’s bombing, Chechens complained of a growing animosity Monday. Rudnik Dudayev, head of the Chechen Security Council said authorities have received hundreds of calls from Chechen students in other regions complaining of "cynical treatment" and "reproaches" by teachers. Chechnya President Akhmad Kadyrov condemned what he called "the instigation of ethnic enmity." Nationalities Minister Vladimir Zorin echoed his comments, saying, "International terrorism is no doubt Enemy No. 1 today, but it is no less dangerous to instigate anti-Caucasus and xenophobic sentiments in a great multinational country like Russia."
What the hell did they expect? Chechens and their allies are targeting everybody else. If it was Veps or Kalmuks doing it, Veps or Kalmuks would be getting the cold shoulder. Perhaps the solution would be to turn in all the Chechen bad guys? Than everybody would be grateful.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:29:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


700 hard boyz iced in 2003
Russia’s security agencies neutralised more than 700 active members of bandit formations and their bosses in Chechnya in 2003, Deputy Director of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) Vyacheslav Ushakov told newly elected State Duma deputies at the training seminar at the rest house of “Bor” (Pine Wood) on Monday. He said FSB agents had detained more than 200 people on suspicion of having links to terrorists, seized 3,500 pieces of small arms and 4 metric tons of explosives. More than 80 bombings were averted and 74 people were detained on charges with terrorism in the republic in 2003. Judgements were delivered to 18 of them. Commenting on the situation in the republic, Ushakov said a number of foreign organisations had intensified their work to destabilize the situation in the region and to turn Chechnya in one of the world’s terrorist centres. Ushakov told the deputies that one should use all mechanisms, including the State Duma’s to extradite to Russia “ideologists” and notorious terrorists Udugov, Yandarbiyev and Zakayev.
Udugov, incidentally, is the brains behind Kavkaz Center.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:24:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

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a number of foreign organisations had intensified their work to destabilize the situation in the region and to turn Chechnya in one of the world’s terrorist centres

The Arabs and Turks will keep fighting the Russians until the last Chechen is dead.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 2:56 Comments || Top||


Caucasus Corpse Count
Rebel attacks and land-mine explosions in Chechnya killed at least nine Russian servicemen and local pro-Moscow police officers over the past 24 hours, an official in the region’s Kremlin-backed government said Monday. Four of the servicemen were killed in rebel attacks on Russian positions, and three Chechen policemen were shot dead on Monday morning. An officer of the Federal Security Service, the KGB’s main successor agency, died Sunday and three others were wounded when their car hit a rebel land mine near the southern town of Achkhoi-Martan. A federal sapper also died Sunday when a land mine he was trying to defuse exploded in the capital, Grozny. Federal forces launched artillery barrages on suspected rebel positions in southern Chechnya, but low clouds kept military aircraft on the ground. Russian forces also conducted security sweeps, detaining at least 170 people since Sunday on suspicion of rebel links.

Dmitry Grushkin, an activist with the Russian human rights group Memorial, said Monday that 477 civilians were kidnapped in Chechnya last year. Grushkin said that 155 of them were released, 49 were found dead and 273 remained missing. An additional 33 people were abducted last month, of whom 14 were released, one was found dead and 18 are still missing. Interfax quoted Memorial chief Oleg Orlov as saying that federal troops and Chechen police were responsible for most of the kidnappings, but that some were carried out by rebels. The Kremlin has blamed rebels for the kidnappings.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:23:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The question of who is responsible for most of the kidnappings would be a good subject of study for an organization like Human Rights Watch or even the United Nations.

List all the kidnappings and describe the known circumstances of each. Then generalize the findings.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 3:02 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Excerpts from Zarqawi’s letter to al-Qaeda HQ
Following are excerpts from a document seized from an al Qaeda courier on the Iran-Iraq border in January. U.S. officials believe the document was written by suspected al Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and intended for an al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan, Abdullah Khan.
That could be a reference to Emir Abdullah (Binny), but I find this interesting as I had always figured that Zarqawi was among the top tier of al-Qaeda leaders, given that Saif al-Adel seemed to treat him as an immediate subordinate when they met up in Iran last year. This means that there’s evidently someone between him and al-Adel, if not him and Binny or Ayman.
What is preventing us from making a general call to arms is the fact that the country of Iraq has no mountains, in which to seek refuge, or forest, in which to hide. Our presence is apparent, and our movement is out in the open. Eyes are everywhere....

There is no doubt that Americans’ losses were significant because they are spread thin amongst the people and because it is easy to get weapons. This is a fact that makes them easy targets, attractive for the believers....

There is not doubt that our field or movement is shrinking and the grip around the throat of the Mujahedeen has begun to tighten. With the spread of the army and police, our future is becoming frightening....

We were involved in all the martyrdom operations — in terms of overseeing, preparing, and planning — that took place in this country except for the operations that took place in the North. Praise be to Allah. I have completed 25 of these operations, some of them against the Shia and their leaders, the Americans and their military, the police, the military, and the coalition forces. There will be more in the future, God willing....

Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases....

Our situation demands that we treat the issue with courage and clarity. So the solution, and God only knows, is that we need to bring the Shia into the battle because it is the only way to prolong the duration of the fight between the infidels and us....

So I say again, the only solution is to strike the religious, military, and other cadres of the Shia so that they revolt against the Sunnis. 
 Souls will perish and blood will be spilled. This is however, exactly what we want, as there is nothing to win or lose in our situation. The Shia destroyed the balance, and the religion of God is worth more than lives....

The enemies are the Americans, police and army 
 As far as the Shia, we will undertake suicide operations and use car bombs to harm them....

The suggested time for execution: We are hoping that we will soon start working on creating squads and brigades of individuals who have experience and expertise. We have to get to the zero-hour in order to openly begin controlling the land by night and after that by day, god willing. The zero-hour needs to be at least four months before the new government gets in place.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:14:21 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "our future is becoming frightening...."

No shit sherlock.

That started 0911, and here's the cluebat:
It will get worse.
Posted by: Evert Visser || 02/10/2004 14:06 Comments || Top||


Zarqawi is al-Qaeda’s man in Iraq
Oh, gee golly. NYT finally notices...
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian suspected of ties to Al Qaeda, is now thought likely to have played a role in at least three major car-bomb attacks in Iraq that have killed well over 100 people in the last six months, according to senior American officials. Intelligence information, including some gathered in recent weeks, has provided "mounting evidence" to suggest that Mr. Zarqawi was involved in the bombings, including the attacks in August on a Shiite mosque in Najaf and the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, and the attack in November on an Italian police headquarters.
I think we called all those here...
One official cautioned that the evidence stopped short of firm proof about involvement by Mr. Zarqawi. But the official said the intelligence had added significantly to concern about Mr. Zarqawi, who one official said was now "really viewed as the most adept terrorist operative in Iraq, in terms of foreigners planning terrorist activities."
He's got lots of experience. I wonder if he's still running the European operation, or if there's a new guy?
The indication that Mr. Zarqawi played a role in the attacks adds evidence that he has been active in Iraq since the American invasion in March. An American official said Mr. Zarqawi had been "in and out" of Iraq since March, but "at last report" was operating inside Iraq. One of Mr. Zarqawi’s top lieutenants, Hassan Ghul, a Pakistani, was arrested by Americans near the Iranian border last month, and has been interrogated by American military and intelligence officials.
If he's known to be inside Iraq, they're probably working him pretty hard. He'll have to either get out of the country or eventually be caught...
The American officials who described Mr. Zarqawi’s suspected role declined to discuss the nature of the information pointing to a role by Mr. Zarqawi in the bombings. But the officials included some who have been skeptical in the past of the idea that foreign militants were playing a major role in the violence in Iraq. "The fact that we got Hassan Ghul is new intelligence information," one senior American official said. "The fact that Zarqawi is a bad guy is something we’ve been saying for a long time, but we’re learning more about him."
Learning where he hangs out is the most important thing...
The raid on the safe house in Baghdad used by associates of Mr. Zarqawi was said by one American official to have provided valuable new evidence. The items seized included a compact disc that contained the 17-page proposal to senior leaders of Al Qaeda as well as a seven-pound block of cyanide salt, which the officials said could have spread cyanide gas within an enclosed area. "It’s likely that he was involved in at least the three bombings," an American official said of Mr. Zarqawi. The car bomb attacks were three of the most deadly in Iraq since the American invasion last March. Besides the Najaf attack, they included the Aug. 19 bombing of the United Nations headquarters, which killed 23 people, including Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top United Nations envoy in Iraq; and the Nov. 12 attack on the headquarters of Italy’s paramilitary police in Nasiriya, which killed more than 30 people, including 19 Italians.
You said that in the first paragraph. Say! Is this filler?
Last fall, American military, intelligence and law enforcement officials said they did not know whether the August bombings were part of a coordinated campaign. At the time, they said they were wrestling with several competing theories about who might be behind them, including the possibility that they were carried out by former members of the Iraqi military or paramilitary forces. Investigators said at the time that they had not seen a common signature in the bombings, but that the attack at the United Nations headquarters and another on the Jordanian Embassy had used vehicles packed with explosives drawn from old Iraqi military stocks. American officials have not said publicly what kinds of explosives were used in the attacks in Najaf and Nasiriya.
The car booms themselves are almost a signature...
On Monday, senior American officials were careful to describe Mr. Zarqawi as "an associate" of Al Qaeda rather than a member. American military officials say that at least 90 percent of the attacks on United States troops are thought to have been carried out by Iraqi Sunnis opposed to the occupation.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 02/10/2004 12:09:43 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

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Our invasion of Iraq will eventually be another catastrophic defeat for Al Qaeda. That defeat is still developing, but one major feature will be the Shias' decisive turn against that organization. This is not a good time to be an Al Qaeda member in Iraq.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 02/10/2004 3:30 Comments || Top||

#2  "Hassan Ghul . . . has been interrogated"

it's just a matter of time.
Posted by: B || 02/10/2004 7:59 Comments || Top||



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