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Afghanistan
Taliban attack on two Afghan cities fail
Military operations of the Pakistani Taliban forces in the cities of Nobahar and Shangi failed on Sunday due to strong resistance of the security forces of the Afghan central government. The Spokesman of the Afghan Foreign Ministry Omar Samad told IRNA that the remaining forces of the Pakistani Taliban group and the terrorist group of al-Qaeda attacked the two cities, in Zabul province, in order to occupy them. Quoting the provincial security sources, he said the Pakistanis Taliban and al-Qaeda forces staged an operation on Sunday morning and were forced to face defeat after few hours. He further denied claims made by the Pakistani Taliban group that its forces have occupied the two cities. The Afghan Zabul province is located on Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan joint border.
Prepared the press release before they attacked, did they?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:27 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
The Saudis Missing A Diplomat?
It looked like a successful strike against Al Qaeda in Europe. Last month German police raided a suspected terrorist cell in Berlin, arresting a half-dozen men and seizing bomb-making equipment, flight-simulator software and chemicals. Now the investigation has taken an unexpected turn. German officials say the terror suspects may have had a highly placed friend: a top diplomat at the Saudi Embassy in Berlin. Sources say Muhammad J. Fakihi, chief of the embassy’s Islamic-affairs branch, met frequently with the suspected terrorist cell’s leader, Ihsan Garnaoui, at Berlin’s Al Nur mosque—a notorious haven for Islamic extremists. The Germans confronted the Saudis and threatened to declare Fakihi persona non grata. “We don’t do that unless the evidence is very grave,” says a German official. Four days after the arrests, Fakihi left Germany and was supposed to have returned to Saudi Arabia. But, NEWSWEEK has learned, he never showed up. Now the Saudis want him for questioning, and officials are uncertain of his whereabouts. “There is close cooperation between the Saudi and German authorities on this matter, and we intend to get to the bottom of it,” says one Saudi official. U.S. officials were already aware of Fakihi: his business card had been found in the apartment of Mounir el-Motassadeq, who was convicted of being an accomplice of the “Hamburg cell” that committed the 9-11 attacks.
Gee, a Saudi chief of Islamic-affairs being accused of meeting with terrorists. And then he disappears when the Saudi government wants to "question" him. What a surprise!
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 10:50 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am shocked and awed. Just shocked and awed by the whole affair.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 13:44 Comments || Top||

#2  it was amazing to me.....but then, I surprise easily
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 11:35 Comments || Top||

#3  We know NOTHing! NOTHing!!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 11:51 Comments || Top||

#4  I am shocked and awed. Just shocked and awed by the whole affair.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 13:44 Comments || Top||

#5  suspected terrorist cell’s leader, Ihsan Garnaoui, at Berlin’s Al Nur mosque—a notorious haven for Islamic extremists.

If it's a known haven for terrorists, why is it still open?
Posted by: Celissa || 04/07/2003 15:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Because it's a mosque, obviously. How's a fundo whack-job to know who to blow up if'n the Imam don't tell him?
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 15:54 Comments || Top||


Britain
Yemen seeks to extradite Hamza
Edited for length:
Government attempts to strip the radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza of British citizenship took a new twist yesterday when it emerged that Yemen had requested his extradition on terrorism-related charges. The north London cleric is the first person to face losing his passport under the new Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act. But the test case will take months if not years to resolve. Mr Hamza, 44, insists he renounced his Egyptian nationality when he became a British citizen and therefore would be left stateless, breaching his human rights. According to the Press Association, Yemen's request includes documents alleging that Mr Hamza was connected to a 1998 kidnap by the so-called Islamic Army of Aden, which resulted in the deaths of four western tourists. The Yemeni government could not be contacted yesterday. Mr Hamza's solicitor Muddassar Arani said she had no evidence of the application.
The outspoken cleric came to the UK from Egypt as a student in 1980, gaining citizenship through marriage. He was banned from speaking at Finsbury Park mosque, where he had been imam, after comments attacking Britain, the United States and Jews.
If this has to go through the court system, he'll die of old age before they deport him.
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 02:17 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Brits will have to struggle with the legal maze they created, but regardless, they need to tie him up to old age, if that's what it takes. Any thoughts, Bulldog?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 15:00 Comments || Top||

#2  What's the matter, hook boy? Afraid of Islamic justice? I thought your people did everything better then the infidel?
There's no way he could... ummmmmmmmm... fall in front of an Underground train? Or be hit by lighting?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 15:14 Comments || Top||


Europe
France is Screwed
A NEW scare surrounded the spread of the pneumonia virus sweeping the world after it was linked to a sexually transmitted disease.

Doctors in China – the country worst hit by Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome – have found that the virus appears to be connected to chlamydia.

Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 07:19 pm || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well this should have em browning there undershorts in France, after spending so much time on their knees in front of Saddam et al
Posted by: Wills || 04/07/2003 22:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm already tired of that name..."Severe Acute" is redundant. If you look up "Acute"...the word severe is in the definition. We should just call it "Acute Respiratory Syndrome".
Posted by: me || 04/07/2003 22:30 Comments || Top||


Narcisme de les Francais
By Nelson Ascher.....scary how the French don't have a clue.....
Having read today's (Sunday's) French papers and magazines there's no avoiding the conclusion that in terms of foreign policy they are living in a parallel universe — a universe that works rigorously according to their rules, or rather, to their wishes. They're sure they're right. But that's fine: there's nothing new about this. They're also sure the US is absolutely wrong, and this is also OK.

But they do not only think the UK's wrong: they believe that Blair and the English know they're wrong and are just waiting for America's first moment of distraction to tell the French how right they (the French) have been all along. The French are in no doubt that at the first possible opportunity the Brits will approach them to beg them their forgiveness for having done something so patently stupid as siding with the Yanks. The very improbable possibility that a military victory might enhance Blair's prestige chez les anglais doesn't obviously belong in their Cartesian universe. Neither does the idea that, even if they were wrong, the English could perhaps persist in the mistake of thinking they're right. No way: isn't it obvious that the English need the French in order to get rid of the Americans? In other words: according to the French the only result of the Anglo-American alliance has been to strengthen guess who: the French.

Someone (it could and it should have been but it wasn't Karl Kraus) said before WW1 that the root of all international troubles was that diplomats lied to journalists and then took what they read in the newspapers seriously. As the French papers haven't been seriously covering the war and as their journalists read only each other and so on, I'm afraid the whole of France will completely misunderstand the meaning of a huge victory. The French are so sure that their disapproval has fatally weakened les anglo-saxons that they do not even dream of the remote possibility that, in the international stage, they (les anglo-saxons) are stronger by the day.

They've got so used to speak in the name of the world that they don't seem to suspect that the Russians for sure and the Germans probably will try to mend fences with America as soon as possible. The French papers speak as if they were les porte-paroles first of all of Europe and then of the rest of the world. The idea that they might get or may already be isolated has not dawned upon them yet. You see: the world is actually the UN and the UN is actually ruled by the Security Council and in the Security Council they actually have 4 votes (because the English, you see, want nothing more than to sever their mésalliance avec les américains) out of 5 and actually that's it. They've won. The game is over. Can't you see that? Don't those anglo-saxons simplistes understand that there's no use in winning a war (but they're losing it anyway) if you lose the peace (which has already been lost even before the loss of the war)? And the silence of the American administration doesn't even sound ominous to them.
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 04:10 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Excellent post!
Posted by: Tony || 04/07/2003 16:40 Comments || Top||

#2  I once worked for American Motors back when they were building Renaults( Hey I didn't design 'em I just worked there . Well anyway they were having problems with transmission failures. The Frog engineers sent over the specs of the test circuit they wanted set up to simulate the hydraulic functions of the trannys. We set up every thing to specs and when the engineers showed up and we showed them exactly what the problem was they instantly went into a state of denial. There was no possible way that they could be wrong. What was really hillarious was the fact that the guy who found the problem was from germany and had been in the Wermacht
Posted by: Someone who did NOT vote for William Proxmire || 04/07/2003 17:31 Comments || Top||

#3  All this must be true... Whoops!?! Excuse me, a monkey just flew out of my butt...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 17:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Thought-provoking analysis, Major.
Capsu78... it might be time for those shock treatments again.
Posted by: Targus || 04/07/2003 19:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Can anyone say Vichy
Posted by: Timmy the Wonder Dog || 04/07/2003 21:24 Comments || Top||

#6  It's "...des Francais" not "...de les frogs.
Posted by: kkriel || 04/07/2003 23:23 Comments || Top||

#7  Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. Why do you think I don't go by "Former French Student Who Decided Spanish Would Be More Useful", or "Former French Student Who Decided Italian Is Sexier"?
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 23:30 Comments || Top||

#8  I talked to a french friend of mine yesterday, he said "Chirac is all talk, then nothing ever happens." The French know when they've been taken for a ride, but, they're living in denial.
Posted by: George || 04/08/2003 3:35 Comments || Top||


Germany hedges on whether UN role is condition of German support for reconstruction
There seems to be some confusion within the German govt about their role in the reconstruction of Iraq, with some statements now that Germany will still play a role even without a UN lead, though not as big a role as with a UN lead. This of course somewhat undercuts the French position, as does the insertion of Iraqi opposition leaders on the ground in southern Iraq.
Germany may contribute its part to Iraq's post-war reconstruction even if the process is not carried out under UN supervision, a defence ministry spokesman said.

He reiterated that while Germany wanted the United Nations -- rather than the United States -- to oversee the reconstruction, he saw it as "certainly" playing at least a secondary role.

German Defence Minister Peter Struck had warned in a newspaper interview Sunday that Europe could not be expected to contribute troops or money to help Iraq's rehabilitation if the United States were running the country.

"If reconstruction is not placed under the UN, then I don't see any primary responsibility for Germany," he told the Frankfurter Rundschau.

But the spokesman told a regular government news conference Monday that it did not mean Berlin would refuse to play any role at all.

"As a soldier, I understand primary to mean that we are in the front line" if the process was under UN supervision, he said.

If reconstruction was not under UN supervision, it meant "that Germany is not in the front line but certainly in the second or third."

Seems they're willing to hold their noses and be spear carriers, or horse-holders. There's money to be had there, I guess...
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 10:16 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Appears the "Coalition of the Unwilling" is beginning to unravel perhaps?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 10:57 Comments || Top||

#2  It's probably worth it to let Krauts on board, if only to piss off the Frogs...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 11:59 Comments || Top||

#3  [i]This of course somewhat undercuts the French position, as does the insertion of Iraqi opposition leaders on the ground in southern Iraq.[/i]

France for the French. Iraq for the Iraqis. What's the frogs' problem comprehending that?
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 13:15 Comments || Top||

#4  kewl, a troll.

Now he says "Iraq...which by the way wants no part of a democracy of any kind"

I wonder if he has any evidence for this? In the face of the joy of the Iraqi people at the arrival of coalition forces.

Someone should buy this man a ticket to Basra, so he can explain his viewpoint to the people there.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:57 Comments || Top||

#5  I love it when the French are marginalized.
Posted by: George || 04/07/2003 10:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Appears the "Coalition of the Unwilling" is beginning to unravel perhaps?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 10:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Kofi Speaks: U.N. to Play Major Role in Rebuilding Iraq

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said on Monday that he expected the United Nations to play an important role in rebuilding Iraq after the war and said this would bring legitimacy to the effort.

Annan also announced he was naming Rafeeuddin Ahmed, a Pakistani national and former associate administrator of the U.N. Development Program, as his special adviser on Iraq.

"I do expect the U.N. to play an important role, and the U.N. has had good experience in this area," Annan told reporters ahead of a meeting of the U.N. Security Council that he had called to discuss the issue.

"There are lots of areas the U.N. can play a role, but above all the U.N. involvement does bring legitimacy, which is necessary for the country, for the region and for the peoples around the world," he said.


You can empty the porta-pottis you arrogant prick...let Dominique help you
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 11:32 Comments || Top||

#8  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO ROLE FOR GERMANY.

It's too late to hop on the bandwagon.

GO AWAY
Posted by: g wiz || 04/07/2003 11:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Does anyone know if the Belgians kicked out their Iraqi diplomats yet? They were defiant about not doing so a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't look like they have a government to represent anymore. Dumb ass Belgians.
Posted by: g wiz || 04/07/2003 11:44 Comments || Top||

#10  It's probably worth it to let Krauts on board, if only to piss off the Frogs...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 11:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Memo to Pepe Le Pew and Hanzel and Gretel:
Tickets "at the door" are going to cost more than tickets in advance.
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 12:12 Comments || Top||

#12  mojo has the right idea - we cant go alone with just the anglosphere forever - what we can to is unravel the coalition of weasels, and Germany is probably the best place to start.

Re: Ahmed - Ive never heard of him, he sounds like he may not be as good as Brahimi (the UN's guy on Afghan) if not it will make it harder for there to be a lead role for UN in Iraq.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 12:58 Comments || Top||

#13  [i]This of course somewhat undercuts the French position, as does the insertion of Iraqi opposition leaders on the ground in southern Iraq.[/i]

France for the French. Iraq for the Iraqis. What's the frogs' problem comprehending that?
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 13:15 Comments || Top||

#14  04/07/03
Germany will be used as the catalyst to bring the U.N into this mess as the "great savior" to rebuild Iraq...which by the way wants no part of a democracy of any kind.
It appears that our governments have lost perspective on their purpose.
Governments today do not serve the people of nations, but serve the masters of the global plantation...the rich and powerful who run the world--the very people who are making the war in the Middle East what it is now.
  As a people living in U.S. and UK society, we gain NOTHING from this war !
"We the People" will be paying for this war for generations to come.
U.S. and UK mainstream news is heavily censored, and the rest is mostly propaganda.
Bring our troops home ASAP ! God Bless us all, please. :-( 
It is what it is, and sad it is.
Posted by: Mike Goodold || 04/07/2003 13:36 Comments || Top||

#15  He reiterated that while Germany wanted the United Nations -- rather than the United States -- to oversee the reconstruction, he saw it as "certainly" playing at least a secondary role.

How 'bout a quaternary role, or maybe 0.01 role? The important point to keep in mind is that the battlefield was the first step. Then we start rebuilding the country, which will include infrastructure and government institutions that will serve the needs of the People that live there, not the regime or the Axis of Weasels (are you listening Chiraq?). And while we are doing that we have to keep popping and harrassing the fundos and orcs that will be coming out of the woodwork out of Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi and all the rest of those regimes. Germany has hope and may come around. The French govt needs to be taught a real big lesson and they need to be locked out of the loop. Let us keep the Coalition of the Willing thing going in peacetime reconstruction and make it happen....without the UN in anything but a minor role.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 13:56 Comments || Top||

#16  kewl, a troll.

Now he says "Iraq...which by the way wants no part of a democracy of any kind"

I wonder if he has any evidence for this? In the face of the joy of the Iraqi people at the arrival of coalition forces.

Someone should buy this man a ticket to Basra, so he can explain his viewpoint to the people there.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:57 Comments || Top||

#17  Iraq...which by the way wants no part of a democracy of any kind.

Yeah, they would much rather be fed feet first into a plastic shredder. And as for your assertion that we gain nothing from this war, Mike, what about the moral satisfaction of knowing that torture is ending?

Please don't give me that "it will unleash the fury of the Muslim world on us" crap, either. Were you asleep on 9/11? It's already been unleashed, dahlink. We're bitchslapping one of its sources of funding, and making the other sources nervous.

Please turn off the al-Jazeera and stop thinking that the Iraqi Minister of Information is telling the truth.
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 15:39 Comments || Top||

#18  I wonder if he has any evidence for this? In the face of the joy of the Iraqi people at the arrival of coalition forces.

He needs no evidence! The BBC told him so!! Now away with you. We don't need any stinking facts to mess up our anti-American views!

Someone should buy this man a ticket to Basra, so he can explain his viewpoint to the people there.

Basra?
What is this Basra of which you speak? It is only a Hollywood soundstage, not a city in Iraq. All American propoganda lies! All of it!
Now away with you. I must straighten my beret and join our great leader,Saddam, in his bunker.
Posted by: Celissa || 04/07/2003 15:42 Comments || Top||

#19  liberalhawk,
Ok, the Anglosphere is not all there is - agreed.
However, I'm not sure that getting Germany in the game this early on is that useful as you have a lot of the former Soviet satellite countries who are itching to get in the game (as they're dirt-poor, a small amount of investment will go a long way). The Italians and Spanish have shown a lot more bottle than many people reckoned they had too.

For a long time the French have seen Germany as being the guilt-wracked cash-cow of the EU, and they've played this to their advantage very well. The Germans have wanted to be good Europeans so badly they've done everything the EU has asked of them (the French on the other hand, are masters of misdirection when it comes to EU directives).

Now that Germany realises that it's pissed off a country that had offered New York in return for Bonn in a nuclear exchange (and therefore prevented both cities disappearing), there must be a lot of forehead-slapping and 'oh fuck' moments going on over there. Of course, our own lads, the British Army on the Rhine, were there too, and they've managed to ruffle us as well, but being English, we expect it from them.

No, no role for Germany in the reconstruction until they realise what a mistake they've made in turning their back on true allies. There must be a price to pay.
Posted by: Tony || 04/07/2003 17:04 Comments || Top||

#20  Do NOT invite the UN to the party: it would only legitimize them.

They have been proven irrelevant, let them stay irrelevant. Allies and Supporters (all 45 of them) only thanks, that's enough.

Don't fold now, USA stay strong to the end. An interim Iraqi government free of the UN is much more likely to be well ordered, disciplined and result in a restraining of the retribution blood-bath against Ba'ath affiliates and a transition to democracy.
Posted by: anon1 || 04/08/2003 1:03 Comments || Top||

#21  "Annan also announced he was naming Rafeeuddin Ahmed, a Pakistani national and former associate administrator of the U.N. Development Program, as his special adviser on Iraq"

A Paki,now there is a ringing endorsment!(not)
I would think the Japanese would be a better choice.
Posted by: raptor || 04/08/2003 8:08 Comments || Top||


American B-52 bombers use German airspace en route to Iraq:
American B-52 bombers have been using German airspace on their way to the war in Iraq, a traffic ministry spokesman announced here Monday during a news briefing. "The B-52 planes have been registered since the war began (in Iraq)," said Felix Stenschke, referring to Germany's granting of fly-over rights to US and British planes. Berlin had refused last week to confirm whether B-52 bombers had been using German airspace.
Boeing Bombers Buzz Berlin, has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 09:14 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How.......................alliterative. If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going....heh heh
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 9:29 Comments || Top||

#2  don't let these uncooperative countries hop on the bandwagon now please. they made thier bed
Posted by: g wiz || 04/07/2003 9:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Heh! Maybe one of the Buff's can drop a load on Berlin "by accident" - remind 'em what it was like about 60 years ago.
Posted by: FOTSGreg || 04/07/2003 14:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Letting us use their airspace sounds at least vaguely like cooperation.
Posted by: Dishman || 04/07/2003 15:32 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Belafonte and Barbara Lee lead Saturday nutfest protest
It's party time. Naked women, transvestites, dogs, dancers, singer Harry Belafonte and others joined Rep. Barbara Lee, California Democrat, for an antiwar protest Saturday to "praise the patriotism of the demonstrators and condemn the military action in Iraq," the Oakland Tribune reported yesterday.
They have their own definition of "patriotism". Most of us wouldn't recognize it...
"We denounce governments that act with tyranny," Mr. Belafonte told the crowd. "We are here to tell Nancy Pelosi to stop playing the game. We are losing our dignity and honor as a people."
Does that mean you're against Sammy and his Krazed Killer Korps, Harry?
Dignity was not necessarily the order of the day, however. "A transvestite fell into step next to a tall, naked woman and bared his chest in solidarity. Stilt walkers strode confidently in time to the rhythm of drummers. The Liberation Brass Band performed an energizing rendition of 'When the Saints Come Marching In,' " the Tribune noted. Ironically, there were costumed superheroes in battle gear, too, including warrior princess Xena, Catwoman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman and Robin Hood — along with a performing Middle Eastern dance troupe. Vendors sold organic vegan snacks, jewelry, Malcolm X books, peace T-shirts, antiwar pins and voodoo dolls on the City Hall steps. Mrs. Lee told the crowd to "take back the U.S. House of Representatives, Senate and White House, causing the protesters to chant, 'Impeach Bush.'"
I have nothing to add to denigrate these idiots more than they've done to themselves
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 12:54 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "We denounce governments that act with tyranny," Mr. Belafonte told the crowd. "We are here to tell Nancy Pelosi to stop playing the game"

Stick to you guns Nancy, dont let Belafonte tell you what to do!!!

The rest is all street theater.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:07 Comments || Top||

#2  I hope brain-terminal.com was there with his camcorder. Sorry Harry, you lost your dignity months ago. Honor? Does Harry even know what it means?

Our troops and coalition forces have given the Iraqi people the best chance they have had for honor and dignity in 35 years.

We have forces camping in Saddam's Baghdad palaces and the parade ground. Where is his regime? Gone, long gone, and about time.
Posted by: Craig || 04/07/2003 15:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Harry Belefonte is a half-bright, peice-of-shit, has-been. He is a small and bitter man, whose lone contribution to our cultural lexicon is three minutes of pointless Carribean tripe (and I love GOOD Carribean music).

I wish he would go away.
Posted by: defscribe || 04/07/2003 15:38 Comments || Top||

#4  "We denounce governments that act with tyranny," Mr. Belafonte told the crowd. "We are here to tell Nancy Pelosi to stop playing the game. We are losing our dignity and honor as a people."

Sounds like Harry got bitten by "the deadly black Tarantula", and it scrambled his Caribbean sun-baked brain.
Posted by: Celissa || 04/07/2003 15:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh, yeah. I'd take these people real seriously? What's Catwoman's position on WMD?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 15:47 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm offended that they dragged dogs into this. Poor little pups!

Actually, it sounds like the peace nuts crashed a gay pride parade. (The gays have a better turnout now.)

Ok, fun question of the day.....if they would have tried this about a month ago in Baghdad, who would Saddam have shot first?
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 15:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey Harry, theres a hole in the bucket, think you can shut the f_ck up and fix it this time?
Posted by: Wills || 04/07/2003 16:19 Comments || Top||

#8  if they would have tried this about a month ago in Baghdad, who would Saddam have shot first?

They wouldn't have shot anyone. Shooting is too merciful and wastes bullets. They would have chopped of their heads, limbs, and testicles with swords; carted others away for electric shock therapy and rape.
Posted by: Jonesy || 04/07/2003 17:01 Comments || Top||

#9  "We are losing our dignity and honor as a people."

That's why we're gathered here today with naked women, topless transvestites, costumed superheros and stilt walkers.
Posted by: John Phares || 04/07/2003 17:27 Comments || Top||


Peace campaigners converge on Belfast war summit
Comes as a surprise, doesn't it? Oh. It doesn't...
Thousands of screaming children peace campaigners descended on Belfast Monday to protest the two-day war summit being held between British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W. Bush. The Irish Anti-War Movement said it expected 5,000 beauzeaux of its members to attend the demonstration at Hillsborough Castle, on the outskirts of Belfast, along with thousands of others traveling from England and Scotland in their never-ending quest to get laid by hippies. Bush and Blair were holding their third war summit in the Irish capital in three weeks.

Opposition politicians, union leaders and other anti-war groups have accused both leaders of hypocrisy over their plans to hold peace talks on Northern Ireland, while plotting their military strategy in Iraq. The Irish Congress of Trade Unions, one of the organizers of the protest, said that Blair and Bush "knew no shame in holding a war summit in a city racked by conflict and struggling for peace."
Perhaps Northern Ireland will be lucky and we'll invade it...

Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams, who was due to meet the US president with other local political leaders, described the war summit as insensitive, but refused to boycott the visit. Mainstream SDLP leader Mark Durkan also publicly opposed the war in Iraq and expressed his unhappiness over the government offices at Hillsborough Castle being used for the further prosecution of military action.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:47 am || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've always felt they should plan for summits in two locations. One public and one private. If a bunch of protestors go to the public one they shift and go on with the summit at the private location. Claim there was some confusion on the intinerary.

Let the protestors protest and rage with nobody there. Let them pay for their own transportation and housing expenses for nothing. After a few times the number of protestors will drop significantly.
Posted by: Yank || 04/07/2003 12:38 Comments || Top||

#2  The Irish Congress of Trade Unions, one of the organizers of the protest, said that Blair and Bush "knew no shame in holding a war summit in a city racked by conflict and struggling for peace."

Strike!!! Three day weekend. To the pubs, boyos!
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 12:55 Comments || Top||

#3  How's the decommissioning going,Gerry?
Posted by: El Id || 04/07/2003 12:04 Comments || Top||

#4  I've always felt they should plan for summits in two locations. One public and one private. If a bunch of protestors go to the public one they shift and go on with the summit at the private location. Claim there was some confusion on the intinerary.

Let the protestors protest and rage with nobody there. Let them pay for their own transportation and housing expenses for nothing. After a few times the number of protestors will drop significantly.
Posted by: Yank || 04/07/2003 12:38 Comments || Top||

#5  The Irish Congress of Trade Unions, one of the organizers of the protest, said that Blair and Bush "knew no shame in holding a war summit in a city racked by conflict and struggling for peace."

Strike!!! Three day weekend. To the pubs, boyos!
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 12:55 Comments || Top||

#6  If it was not so dangerous, would it not be cool to have the summit at Baghdad Int'l Airport?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 14:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Alaska Paul -- or better yet, one of those palaces in downtown Baghdad?
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 23:24 Comments || Top||


Ditzy Chix: "It was just a joke!"
Dixie Chick Natalie Maines told a New Zealand TV reporter last week that her now-infamous slam at President George W. Bush was a joke.
Very funny. Ha ha!
Maines admitted that she told a London concert audience that the group was ashamed that the President is from their home state of Texas, but added, "It was a joke and it wasn't planned. And it was really funny at the time. It got lots of cheers, and that's what it was meant for. You see the trouble that you can get into if you speak religion or politics. It gets people very upset."
It sends you back to working at the Waffle House...
Maines issued a written apology after making the remark at a March 10 concert, but stations continued to ban the Chicks' music on radio stations across the country. In addition, the Dixie Chicks' Home album saw a more than 40 percent decline in sales after Maines's remark.
Yep. A real thigh slapper, that one...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:28 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, but who is the joke on?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 12:18 Comments || Top||

#2  she's a natural blonde apparently, cuz, see, a joke is both funny and has a punchline, something she apparently doesn't get. I do like the 40% drop...ouch!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 11:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Little bit of truth here: "It got lots of cheers, and that's what it was meant for." Look at me! Look at me!
Posted by: (lowercase) matt || 04/07/2003 11:49 Comments || Top||

#4  "Yes , girls, it was an expensive joke" said the groups accountant...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 12:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, but who is the joke on?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 12:18 Comments || Top||

#6  We laughed so hard, she cried all the way to the bank.
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 13:33 Comments || Top||

#7  I am not rooting for the Dixie Chicks but I read elsewhere on the web, a link from Instapundit, etc, that even after the "joke" and the resulting uproar their album still went up in the charts. Now this report says sales tanked by 40%? Can someone in the know out there tell us what has actually happened to sales? Of course, if Maines is now trying to claim it was "just a joke" then that indicates the group is seeing trouble. Their tour in the US could be interesting...
Posted by: Rifle308 || 04/07/2003 14:29 Comments || Top||

#8  So #1 dopey chick has now declared that it was a joke?

Iraqi generals improvise more convincingly than this idiot.
Posted by: Jonesy || 04/07/2003 15:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Natalie, honey, y'all just hold on for a little bit longer. I think that Iraqi Minister of Information guy is gonna be lookin' for a new gig in a couple of weeks. He can handle those nasty press people for ya.

He'll probably even work real cheap, which is good, considering how your sales are going.
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 16:07 Comments || Top||

#10  Jokes on you Gnat, you want to be careful walking around behind the tour bus, I think the other girls would probably like to back it over your fat head.
Posted by: Wills || 04/07/2003 16:11 Comments || Top||

#11  Unfortunately it's still #1 on Billboard

don't know how this correlates with sales, may be a lag time for it to drop down on the charts
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 16:30 Comments || Top||

#12  Rifle - right after she made the statement, a lot of people bought their CD's so they could stomp them into the mud. After everyone had their fun, sales tanked.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 20:43 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Pakistan calls for immediate halt to Iraq war
Pakistan on Monday called for immediate end to Iraq war and reiterated that diplomacy must be given a chance to find a peaceful solution.
It's kinda late for that. Don't they read the papers?
"Pakistan wants an immediate end to hostilities. Pakistan has been favoring peaceful resolution of the conflict and a role for the United Nations," Foreign Office spokesman Aziz Ahmed Khan told reporters in Islamabad, where he'd just emerged from a three week nap in a cave. Asked about Pakistan's post-war policy on Iraq, he said Pakistan is constantly prepared for any eventuality not only with regard to Iraq but anywhere in the world. The spokesman said relief goods for Iraq, as announced by the prime minister, are ready and these would be delivered as soon as it becomes clear where to dispatch them.
"Hey, Mahmoud! Where y'wanna dispatch this load of arms an ammunition?"
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 12:00 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Pakistan wants an immediate end to hostilities."

So do we, Mr. Khan, and the sooner the Iraqis lay down their guns, the sooner the hostilities will end. Talk to them, not us.
Posted by: Tom || 04/07/2003 14:01 Comments || Top||


Pakistan describes India "a fit case" for pre-emptive strike
Pakistan Monday characterized India as a fit case for a pre-emptive strike as "India possesses weapons of mass destruction and has also kept chemical and biological weapons with neighboring countries."
"And it's just chock full of Hindoos!"
"India is a fit case for a pre-emptive strike," Pakistan Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told reporters in Islamabad. "India is taking unjustified advantage of our sincerity," Rashid said while responding to remarks by Indian Minister for External Affairs Yashwant Sinha, who described Pakistan as a "fit case" for an Iraqi style military action by the US because it has weapons of mass destruction, shelters terrorists and lacks democracy.
Not to mention being chock full of Islamist nutbags...
"If India thinks, and could do so, then we also have the right to go for a pre-emptive strike," the Pakistani Information Minister insisted. "We have evidence and arguments which make our case stronger," he said, claiming that India has committed massacres in Ahmed Abad town of Gujarat much like Serbia. Rashid said India possesses weapons of mass destruction and has also kept weapons of mass destruction, chemical and biological weapons with its neighbors. He did not name the neighbors. He warned that if India took any action against Pakistan "it would be eliminated from the globe."
I think this might have originally been drafted in Korean. As an afterthought, I wonder if, given the performance of the Iraqi "information minister," all the "information ministers" in the world shouldn't give serious thought to changing their titles.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:36 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More Pak-islamo fantasy. I'm still miffed with the Indian government's stance on the war in Iraq, but only a deluded crank on the same level as the Iraqi minister of disinformation could claim that India is comparable to Iraq. Ahmed's remarks that India "shelters terrorists and lacks democracy" are far more reasonably applicable to Pakistan itself rather than to India.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/07/2003 12:09 Comments || Top||

#2  The Paks better slow down the mouth and look at their pile of chips. If they mess with India, they WILL become a Roentgen Soupbowl.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 14:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Alaska Paul,
Soup! MMMMMMmmmmmmm GOOD!
Posted by: Craig || 04/07/2003 15:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Nothing like a hot bowl of soup! Now with extra gamma rays. It's mutalicious.

The Islamist Pakis are getting nervous. First the dread Afghani fighters, then the home territory of Saddam the Brutal in THREE WEEKS! Full attention on Pakistan is not something healthy for Fundis and other slimey things.
Posted by: Craig || 04/07/2003 15:18 Comments || Top||

#5  The sad and scary facts are that Indian troops have been used in brutal and repressive ways in the disputed Kasmir..(can't spell it, drat) region while Pakistan has supported and funded terrorist/guerilla forces there.
I lean toward India since it is a democracy yet it still has a lot of corruption, bureaucratic and military, to flush out of its system. A big problem/threat is the rise of fanatic Hinduism which played out in the train attack and following riots roughly a year ago. Those involved "ordinary" people doing things like pouring gasoline on kids of the "wrong" faith and burning them alive, as well as the "usual" murder and rape.
That part of the world is more dangerous than the Israeli-Pales. struggle.
Posted by: Rifle308 || 04/07/2003 15:28 Comments || Top||

#6  The problem in Pakistan is that Islamofascist movements - such as Jamaat-i-Islami - are allowed the freedom to promote genocide. The leader of Pakistan's fourth largest political party - the MQM - has called for the banning of the JI. These jihad pigs exist only because the White House is buying State Department snakeoil about the alleged propriety of respecting exercise of freedom-of-religion by these murderers. Americans will pay for this perverse indulgence of the most dangerous enemy of America in its history. The JI's headquarters in Lahore needs to be reduced to rubble. Their leaders - Qazi and Khurshid Ahmad - need to leave the land of the living. And their American puppet groups - ICNA, IANA, ISNA, MSA - need to be liquidated, and their members deported, or better: shot on sight.
Posted by: Anonon || 04/07/2003 15:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Atomic Conspiracy

I think India's stance on Iraq can be explained by the following article. Its quite long but its gives quite a bit of insight. The writer Used to work in RAW, India's intelligence agency so he knows what he's talking about.
[Some info Bush could use]
....
In the early nineties, India decided to seek the co-operation of the intelligence agencies of the Islamic world in dealing with pan-Islamic jihadi terrorism originating from Pakistan. Only the intelligence agencies of the Najibullah government in Afghanistan, Algeria and Iraq came forward to help us. After the Mumbai blasts of March 1993, during which terrorists orchestrated by Pakistan’s ISI killed nearly 300 innocents, New Delhi desperately sought the help of the international community in smoking out the perpetrators of these blasts who had taken shelter in Pakistan. It received a lot of sympathy but very little concrete assistance. Only two intelligence agencies unreservedly co-operated. One of them was Iraq. India, therefore, has strong reasons to be grateful to the Iraqi government, although India has had — from time to time — concerns over some aspects of Iraqi policies.


India has believed since the eighties, when it became the worst victim of Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, that terrorism is an absolute evil, all the more so if it is state-sponsored. After 9/11, the rest of the world has come to share this view. But such perceptions continue to be influenced by narrow political considerations. A more glaring example of this cannot be found than in the US reluctance to act against Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, is in sharp contrast to its over-anxiety to act against Iraqi-sponsored terrorism.
...
Posted by: rg117 || 04/07/2003 19:12 Comments || Top||

#8  we also have the right to go for a pre-emptive strike
What's stopping you, fool?
Posted by: RW || 04/07/2003 19:46 Comments || Top||

#9  we also have the right to go for a pre-emptive strike What's stopping you, fool? RW

Perhaps the knowledge that India's army is nearly six times the size of Pakistan's, that India can produce 80% of its own warmaking materials, compared to Pakistan's 35%, the fact that India has more transport aircraft than Pakistan has in its entire air force, the fact that India has a fairly respectable deep-water navy, including an aging but still usable aircraft carrier, the fact that India can produce all the food, oil, equipment, supplies, and material it needs for a long-term war, while Pakistan would have to import (at high prices, with little to pay for it with) more than 2/3 of what it would need, the fact that India has about six times the number of nuclear weapons as Pakistan, while India is about three times the size of Pakistan (more damage both from primary blasts and secondary radiation in Pakistan than India), and a few dozen other factors. Pakistan will rattle the sabers, but won't actually start a war they know they can't win.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 20:55 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Powell shows some spine vs. German Reporters
via Andrew Sullivan
Colin takes on a obnoxious reporter - teaching the State Dept staff what a representative of America should give back?
I thought he'd lost it...looks like I was wrong
Frank
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 09:14 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  crap I wanted to preview and it posted it as anonymous - it was me DOH!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 21:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Why obnoxious? Isn't this a reporter's job to ask questions? Hard questions as well? You don't prefer it the Iraqi State TV way, right? And what was so obnoxious about these questions? The lack of adulation? Not being from Fox or CNN?
Posted by: True German Ally || 04/08/2003 2:39 Comments || Top||

#3  What?? That guy was completely obnoxious! But, Powell gave some good answers.
Posted by: George || 04/08/2003 3:18 Comments || Top||

#4  TGA - He was asked this

" I hear what you are saying. What many people in Europe will hear, through your words, is this is how the new partition of labor will be: America is looking for its Allies, is going its course with or without Allies, any number that’s available, and be it zero. And then the U.N.’s role is to go in as a good Samaritan and clean up the mess. That’s all they can do. America is already looking at its next destination. "

I'd say that was a speech, not a question, which he weaselly put as "it looks to others like". He certainly has the right to ask it, and Powell has the right to call it absurd, and to reply forcefully as he did.

Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/08/2003 8:24 Comments || Top||


Pentgon "reasonably confident" they have killed Saddam today
G'bye, Sammy!Just heard the report on MSNBC

Four 2000 pound bunker buster bombs were dropped on a target in a residential area of Baghdad today according to the Pentagon. The reporter said that Pentagon officials told him they had resonable intelligence that Saddam and his two sons were inside the complex when it was bombed along with other senior iraqi officials.
Let's hope so. Will add link when one comes up.

FOLLOWUP: From FoxNews...
Belief now among many senior U.S. officials that the work they carried out tonight accomplished the goal they intended to accomplish... Carl Cameron reports the strike was from a tip, not a wiretap. There was a major Iraqi leadership meeting. Four bunkerbusters were used. Officials believe Sammy and sons were in the building at the time. All that's left is a crater.

More followup, from MSNBC — sonic's original story...
A U.S. Air Force warplane dropped four enormous bombs Monday on a residential neighborhood where “extremely reliable” intelligence information indicated that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his two sons were staying, senior administration officials told NBC News. The sources would not rule out the possibility that Saddam could have moved before the planes struck, but they said it was highly likely that he and his sons were dead if they were still there when the bombs hit.

BASED ON an intelligence source on the ground in Baghdad, U.S. military officials were confident that Saddam and his sons, Uday and Qusay, were attending a meeting in the neighborhood, senior officials said. Officials quickly called in Air Force jets to strike the location Monday with four GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition weapons, the 2,000-pound smart bombs known as “bunker busters.” Diplomatic officials and officials at the Pentagon told NBC News that they were highly confident that they killed everyone at the meeting. Military officials at U.S. Central Command forward headquarters in Doha, Qatar, confirmed the airstrike but would not comment on its possible effect.

FOLLOWUP: From FoxNews...
Rita Cosby says that the tip-offs came from special ops forces, and that Sammy's communications on a frequency-hopper system were being monitored up to right before the strike. The crater's said to be impressive. Here's hoping there's enough fragments left for a positive identification.

FOLLOWUP: From Washington Times...
The U.S.-led coalition bombed a Baghdad commercial block yesterday after receiving a tip that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was there, while across town the U.S. Army parked its tanks on the Tigris River in the front yard of one of the dictator's largest palaces. A U.S. military official told The Washington Times that the allies bombed the al Saa restaurant block at 3 p.m. Baghdad time yesterday on information from a "sensitive intelligence source." The source said that Saddam and senior Ba'ath Party leaders were meeting with 30 intelligence officials in a facility behind or beneath the restaurant.

The military source said the site bombed yesterday is used by the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS), or Mukhabarat. It is the same al Mansur neighborhood where Saddam made a highly publicized street walk Friday, greeting jubilant supporters. The video was played on Iraqi TV. He also delivered a taped address on Iraqi TV, referring to a downed Apache helicopter. The official said the tape's background views of Baghdad, and the intelligence source, provided information on Saddam's whereabouts. Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies did not know last night who was killed in yesterday's bombing, which created a huge crater and destroyed the al Saa restaurant. A reporter on the scene said at least 14 persons were killed. The military source said the IIS may have picked the spot to meet because it did not believe the allies would bomb a commercial block. The allies have stated their objective to avoid civilian casualties. The U.S. official said intelligence agencies have concluded that both of Friday's videotapes do in fact show Saddam, not a double, and that they were "more than likely" made after the March 19 bombing attack on one of his residences in south Baghdad.

Everybody's being very careful to add that there's no confirmation, even though they obviously have their hopes up and there's some corroborating evidence ("roaches check in, they don't check out"). We'll probably know tomorrow — if there are a lot of people coming out and explaining that they never liked him and didn't join the party, or only joined the party for the business contacts, then he's toe-tagged, assuming there's a toe left. Wonder what Mr Minister of Information's going to have to say?
Posted by: sonic || 04/07/2003 08:27 pm || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rot in hell bastards!!!
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 20:33 Comments || Top||

#2  http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA00

Here's the link
Posted by: sonic || 04/07/2003 20:53 Comments || Top||

#3  I pray they were only wounded. I pray they are trapped inside an airtight area, with no outside ventilation. I pray they have about six hours to live, and nobody's bothering to even LOOK for them, much less help them out. I pray that there's an halucinogenic drug in the air supply that will make each of them "see" every person they've ever had killed staring at them, laughing.

God has a sense of humor. I hope He answers my prayer.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 21:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Are we going to "send in the Marines" as followup?
Posted by: someone || 04/07/2003 21:13 Comments || Top||

#5  As the Brazilian Gentleman said when asked how he wanted his mother-in-law's "arrangements",

"Embalm, Cremate and Bury - take no chances!"
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 21:18 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow! Rita Cosby on Fox says we were listening to the conversation and heard them discussing escape routes. Says also that Qusay was previously dead (from the first attack) according to the conversation overheard. Now that is cooool!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 21:27 Comments || Top||

#7  If I recall my Bible Revelations correctly, the antichrist will receive a fatal wound, everyone will think he's dead, only to show up later on, and people will be amazed and worship him even more.
OK, time for my meds.
Posted by: RW || 04/07/2003 22:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Actually...I'm hoping he's still alived. Injured...shell-shocked...maybe even disfigured - but alive. I want him to face the cameras, face the war-crime/crimes-against-humanity court and be completely exposed. **I'd also like it if maybe he pulled some of his French/German/Russian allies down with him**
Posted by: me || 04/07/2003 22:27 Comments || Top||

#9  Are you kidding? The Euroweenies would acquit him.
Posted by: RW || 04/07/2003 22:40 Comments || Top||

#10  This is beginning to feel like the movie "groundhogs day". Until his head is on a pike outside of the bagdhad version of traitors gate, I really dont care. Frankly, Hes the worst general in the history of the human race at this point. His only way of maintaining any reputation at all is to have it be know that hes been dead for three weeks.
Posted by: Frank Martin || 04/07/2003 22:46 Comments || Top||

#11  It's all a sham, I just checked AlJazeera and here all they have on it...

"At least 14 Iraqi civilians were reportedly killed when missiles hit the Mansour residential neighbourhood in Baghdad on Monday"

;)
Posted by: ShowMe || 04/08/2003 1:46 Comments || Top||


U.S. Officials Believe Hussein’s Son Qusay Is Still Alive
United States military officials believe that Saddam Hussein's younger son, Qusay Saddam, is still alive and leading Iraqi security forces. Officials based their conclusions on communications of top Iraqi military officials, including conversations among officers who say that Qusay Saddam has given them various orders.

For nearly three weeks, the fate and whereabouts of the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and his two sons, Qusay and Uday, were considered uncertain. All three may have been in a bunker in Baghdad that was targeted by cruise missiles and bunker-busting bombs on March 19, the opening night of the military campaign. Since then, it has been unclear whether Iraq's top leadership were injured or killed in the attack. The latest information, based on overheard conversations in the last few days, had led officers to conclude that Qusay Saddam, his father's heir apparent, is most likely alive. "If he's not, then there's a very good imposter out there," one official said.

In addition, the overhead communications reveal the same defiant optimism that Baghdad's information minister presents to listening Iraqis and foreign journalists. As American infantry troops encircled Baghdad, and made thrusts into the capital, top Iraqi military commanders are still conveying positive messages to Qusay Saddam, who was appointed leader of the security forces by his father before the war began. Qusay has a reputation for being cunning and brutal. The upbeat messages from the Iraqi military about what they call American battlefield defeats not only fly in the face of reality but seem to place the Iraqi government in a state of fantasy.

The American officials who monitor the conversations of the Iraqi military and listen to the command-and-control systems said that Iraqi generals speaking over satellite phones and other communications to Mr. Saddam generally talk about high American casualties, defeating the Americans in various cities and repelling the American assault into the international airport on the edge of Baghdad. "He's being told by his cronies, by military officers by political appointees they have control of the airport," said one officer who has listened to the transmissions. "They say, `We're ready, we're fighting, we're moving to attack.' He's being told lies."

Intelligence officers said Saddam Hussein's regime has so intimidated and brutalized officials that military officers may be fearful of passing on accurate information that could infuriate the Iraqi leader, if he is still alive, or his son. The inaccurate information has rippled across the Iraqi regime, creating an Orwellian dialogue with the public. Today, for example, Iraq's Information Minister, Mohammed Al-Sahaf, held a bizarre news conference in Baghdad, in which he said that "Baghdad is safe," that there were no American troops in the city, and that Americans were full of "lies" when they said Baghdad was under siege. Beyond this, he said that American soldiers were committing suicide and "sick in their minds." He said that the sound of gunfire in Baghdad could be heard because Americans were being killed.

Qusay, born in 1968, recently took control of Iraq's military. He is believed to be the closest family member in Saddam's inner circle. "Qusay has emerged as the star of the family," wrote Kenneth M. Pollack in "The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq." Mr. Pollack said, "Quiet, dependable and ruthless, he heads the Special Security Organization, which has become Iraq's preeminent internal security organization, with far greater responsibilities that Saddam had previously allowed any other security agency to possess." More recently, Qusay took control of the Republican Guard, the best equipped and trained force in the Iraqi military. Several Guard divisions have been overwhelmed by the American and British advance. Qusay has appeared to outmaneuver an older brother, Uday, as heir apparent. Considered by Iraqi experts as brutal and unstable, Uday was the subject of an assassination attempt in 1996 and is partially paralyzed. The two brothers are believed by Iraq experts to be bitter rivals.

American officials say Qusay has also developed ties to extremist groups in the Middle East. In recent weeks, officials said, an undisclosed number of Syrians, Sudanese, Egyptians and Palestinians have slipped into Iraq to join the fight against the Americans and British. Military officers believe many of them are suicide attackers who may seek to assault American and British soldiers and marines, once the allied troops start moving in and out of Baghdad.
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 07:14 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Makes sense if he (was) alive, though I suspect Saddam's been dead.
Posted by: someone || 04/07/2003 20:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Impeccable timing.
Posted by: Brian || 04/07/2003 21:09 Comments || Top||

#3  see above post
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 21:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Yeah, Sammy, you're winning. Why don't you come on out and see for yourself? Bring Qusay with you. You both can relax at your little amusement park.
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 23:38 Comments || Top||


Sammy goes to a meeting...
Source is Jazeera. Make of it what you will...
Amid the battles, President Saddam Hussein chaired a meeting of top military and political brass including his son Qussay, head of the elite Republican Guard, state-run television said, showing pictures. Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, Defence Minister Sultan Hashem Ahmed and army chief Ibrahim Abdul Sattar attended. Director general of the Iraqi presidency, Ahmed Hussein Khudayer, and Latif Nuseif Jasem, a member of the ruling Baath party's leadership, were also present. Wearing military uniform, Saddam was shown sitting behind a desk in a large room with a bay window and drawn curtains. The location was not disclosed. A large map of Iraq was stuck on the wall behind the Iraqi leader.
Sounds to me like they trotted out some more stock footage. If I was an Iraqi, and I saw U.S. troops tromping around Baghdad blowing up Sammy's statues and whiting out the moustaches on his portraits, and the information minister self-destructing on the teevee, I'd be wondering why Sammy's not at a division CP, conducting the defense, instead of in the office, receiving memos.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 03:11 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully details on the map behind him may lead to a time it was taped.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/07/2003 16:16 Comments || Top||

#2  I think Disney had a defector from their "Hall of Presidents" exhibit. I think I know where he went.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:30 Comments || Top||

#3  This meeting was a long scheduled, mandatory "Diversity Awareness Training" session required of all upper level managers on dealing with minorities, such as other Arab guys not sporting broom like mustaches.
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 17:28 Comments || Top||

#4  "Diversity training! So, gentlemen. Should we cut their testicles off before feeding them to the plastic shredder? Or should we electrocute them until they grow a proper mustache? Discuss."
Posted by: jrosevear || 04/07/2003 17:52 Comments || Top||

#5  "I have a question for the group.....I've only gassed Kurds. Will the Shia be offended that I've hung their children up from light poles instead of gassing them too? I want to be 'inclusive' in my barbarity."
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 18:12 Comments || Top||

#6  We just learned that meetings can be dangerous too.
Posted by: JAB || 04/07/2003 21:56 Comments || Top||


Defecting Iraqi general ’offered refuge in Britain’
Edited for length - read the whole thing
BRITAIN has offered an amnesty and refuge to one of Iraq’s top military commanders in exchange for the secrets he has passed on about Saddam Hussein’s regime, senior military sources said yesterday. The imprisoned brigadier-general, who studied at the Army Staff College at Sandhurst and speaks good English, was described by a British official yesterday as “a prize capture”.
If he is allowed into Britain it is likely that he would be given a new identity and his whereabouts kept a closely guarded secret. It is understood that before talking, the general, who is the most senior Iraqi officer in the south of the country, insisted that British forces first rescue his family, who were hiding in Basra. They were said to be moving from house to house to evade Baath Party extremists who wanted to take them hostage to prevent the general from co-operating with his coalition captors. It is believed that the family was picked up more than a week ago during a night raid by special forces.
Apparently, the early reports of the Brits capturing a general were true, but quashed to help his family. The "shock and awe" (at the evil of Sammy and Co.) that will come after the war is just beginning to come out.
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Half of US war deaths accidental
Since the war began in Iraq, one American soldier has been electrocuted, at least two others have drowned and nine more have died in automobile wrecks. All appear to be victims of accidents, which so far are responsible for about half the fatalities among U.S. troops sent to the Middle East for the war. "Just because you sign on the dotted line and serve with Uncle Sam doesn't mean you're immune from accidents," said Patrick Garrett, an analyst with the public policy group Global Security.org in Alexandria, Va. Of the 108 coalition troops reported dead in Iraq as of midday Monday, 53 had been killed in action, according to military reports. Of the remaining 55, helicopter accidents had killed 28 and 14 others died in land accidents, according to a casualty database maintained by The Associated Press.
Like I said, Great White has killed more Americans than the Iraqi military...
Posted by: Mark IV || 04/07/2003 03:22 pm || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Basra Has Fallen
British paratroopers guarded by tanks and helicopter gunships walked unopposed into the centre of Iraq's second city Basra on Monday and were warmly received in the narrow streets of the old quarter.

Walking past the bodies of Iraqi militiamen lying in wasteland on either side of the main road from the south, about 700 British soldiers with automatic weapons entered the city in the early afternoon in single-file columns.

Not a shot was fired as men, women and children came out onto the road, some to greet the new occupiers and others to simply stand and stare.

[...]

"This is more than we could have hoped for. We took part in the raid yesterday and today it's a completely different city," said Major Chris Brannigan of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, manning a tank at an intersection on the main road, Baghdad Street.

Didn't anyone send the Brits that "quagmire" memo??
Posted by: growler || 04/07/2003 03:04 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jolly good! The Brits have put on a 1st rate display.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 04/07/2003 17:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Saw the people of Basra danceing in the street yesterday,kissing British Marines.
What say you now Murat.

Of course Murat will probably just ignore the the joy of the Iraqis,and dismiss thier gratitude as American propaganda.
"Damn those evil Mericans"
Posted by: raptor || 04/08/2003 9:10 Comments || Top||


Where are the WMD?
Bob Novak's column today asks "Where are the WMD"...
As U.S. forces closed in on Baghdad on Friday, a civilian official at the Pentagon rejoiced at the success of American arms but worried about things that had not happened. Weapons of mass destruction neither have been used by Saddam Hussein's legions nor found by the invading Anglo-American coalition.

The absence so far of WMD does not diminish justification, in the view of U.S. policymakers, for changing Baghdad's dictatorial regime. Nevertheless, they would like to collect real evidence of weapons. ''If we don't,'' said the official, ''you can bet the liberals will make a big deal out of it.''

White House and State Department officials were saying the same thing two weeks earlier. On March 24, a mid-level Bush administration official told me he feared that modest quantities of chemical weapons would constitute the entire cache of captured weapons of mass destruction, but added that he would be grateful for that much. The official, an early advocate of Iraqi regime change, is not fretting about the decision to go to war but about the global reaction to it.
It doesn't look like they have much to worry about today. Wonder what color bag Mr Blix will be wearing over his head for the next ten years?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 03:04 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mr. Novak will not be happy if the answer to his question turns out to be "in Syria."

But it may.
Posted by: JAB || 04/07/2003 15:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Gee, I guess he missed the news about the Tabun and Sarin barrels, the chemical tipped Bm-21 missile launchers, the cyanide and mustard gas. Maybe that only counts as a oozing gun.
Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 04/07/2003 15:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Bob Novak is one of these "paleocons" who has been spreading FUD (fear, uncertainity and doubt) about the war for months now. His specialty is circulating unattributed quotations from unnamed sources that suggest widespread opposition in the DoD, the CIA and elsewhere to the "neocons" who have supposedly hijacked US policy. I'm not surprised he came out with a column like this today, though I expect he'll be eating Sarin-flavored crow tomorrow.
Posted by: Joe || 04/07/2003 18:55 Comments || Top||


Preliminary Tests Show Chemical Weapons at Iraqi Site
Pentagon sources said a prisoner of war led U.S. forces to a specific site near Karbala, near a camp described as a military facility, and that preliminary field tests on substances found at the site suggest they contain several banned chemical weapons, including deadly nerve agents.
The ones they don't have
Maj. Michael Hamlet of the U.S. 101st Airborne Division said the nerve agents sarin and tabun and the blister agent lewisite appeared to be present at the site, Reuters reported.

FOLLOWUP: From AFP...
A military intelligence officer for the US 101st Airborne Division's aviation brigade, Captain Adam Mastrianni, told AFP that comprehensive tests determined the presence of the pesticide compounds. Initial tests had reportedly detected traces of sarin — a powerful toxin that quickly affects the nervous system — after US soldiers guarding the facility near Hindiyah, 100 kilometres (60 miles) south of Baghdad, fell ill. Mastrianni said: "They thought it was a nerve agent. That's what it tested. But it is pesticide." He said a "theatre-level chemical testing team" made up of biologists and chemists had finally disproved the preliminary field tests results and established that pesticide was the substance involved. Mastrianni added that sick soldiers, who had become nauseous, dizzy and developed skin blotches, had all recovered.
Posted by: Sonic || 04/07/2003 02:25 pm || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The barrels have the name of the French pharmaceutical company Rhone Poulenc stenciled on them.
Posted by: elbud || 04/07/2003 14:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Got a source for that?
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 15:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Here's a source, with photo.

What happened next is a little unclear but several soldiers became ill, and the company quickly put on their chemical protection gear. Last night, the chemical unit told military superiors that they had identified the problem as CN, a riot control gas that causes vomiting and blisters. Colonel Madere said he did not believe that soldiers were seriously ill.

He said that the chemical team stayed overnight to check several other large containers. This morning, the team tested a 20-gallon container, and concluded that it tested positive for sarin, a nerve gas, as well as tabun, another nerve gas.

Tests on the contents of a 55-gallon barrel came up positive for mustard gas.

Though the early tests are being called "inconclusive." I wish we'd stop hearing these reports until we've got rock-solid proof.
Posted by: growler || 04/07/2003 15:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Some are saying the nerve agent is pesticide, which is similar enough to fool field testing. OTOH I dont know why you would store mustard gas together with ag. pesticide. OTOH there have been so many sites reported, and so many retractions, its getting hard to sort through whats where. Short of someone putting up a website to clarify the different sites and whats been said (and when) about each, I'll wait for Rummy to make a claim.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 15:38 Comments || Top||


Palestinian, Jordanian gunnies fighting in Baghdad
The US Army's 3rd infantry division, 2-7 Mechanized Infantry Brigade, is involved in a fierce battle with Palestinian and Jordanian gunmen in the industrial area of southern Baghdad. The people shooting at US forces are using coordinated attacks using RPG's, suicide trucks, artillery, and sniper fire. Two journalists and two military personnel were killed in the coordinated attack by the Palestinian and Jordanian fighters. Military sources are saying that they know from prisoners of war that the Palestinian and Jordanian fighters are attempting to reorganize Iraqi resistance in Baghdad. The military sources called the gunmen "thugs". There are some US casualties, but many more enemy casualties.
I'd call their presence an unfriendly act, myself. Perhaps someone would like to do some 'splainin'?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 12:57 pm || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  better to get them in one spot for group erasure than to have to look for them one at a time after the fall of baghdad. these snuffies will try to destabilize anything we set up. show no mercy boys!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 13:10 Comments || Top||

#2  better to get them in one spot for group erasure than to have to look for them one at a time after the fall of baghdad. these snuffies will try to destabilize anything we set up. show no mercy boys!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 13:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Jordan's King has done so much to help the United States in this war, so it's not much good to consider striking at Jordan. Most of these wayward idiots came to Iraq via Syria. Syria has also been the main funnel of embargoed goods flowing into Iraq. The 4ID, the 1MEF, and the 101st should do a nice 90-degree turn, and start working up the Damascus-Baghdad highway, once Iraq is "secured".

Of course, the more of these idiots we pot in Iraq, the fewer there will be to practice suicide missions in Israel, or against advancing forces heading toward Beirut from Baghdad. Either way, it's a nuisance that we will turn to our advantage, just like the suicide tendencies of the Saddam Fedayeen.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 13:12 Comments || Top||

#4  I'd be cutting those roads from Baghdad to Amman and Damascus. Roaches go in, but they don't come out.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Ok, that's it then for Saddam. The Palestinians ALWAYS pick the losing side!! Roll out the provisional Iraqi government, boys!
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 18:07 Comments || Top||

#6  no no no Provisional Iraqi Government spells PIG.
No good at all, it must be the Interim Iraqi Government: IIG!
Posted by: anon1 || 04/08/2003 0:36 Comments || Top||


Mosul thumped again
The city of Mosul, in northern Iraq, was again heavily bombarded by coalitin forces around noon on Monday, the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera TV channel said. The satellite TV screened footages of thick plumes of smoke rising from fires in the city caused by exploding bombs and ammunitions.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:42 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Armed clashes between Baghdad people, army
Lookit dat! The flag's not even on fire!Sporadic armed clashes broke out between Baghdad people and pro-Saddam Iraqi army following the US ground strikes on the capital. According to IRNA correspondent Baghdad residents particularly in three areas of the city who were under heavy pressure of Baath's army forces and Saddam's Fedayeen over recent months, clashed with Saddam forces. During the clashes, Baghdad people killed at least 35 soldiers and Saddam's supporters while Iraqi soldiers attacked houses in the city and killed or wounded a large number of people.
That's not the beginning of the end — that was us. But this is the middle of the end, maybe the middle toward the end of the end. I'm sticking by Wednesay...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:33 am || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  anythin on this from anyone other than IRNA, and Kuwaiti News (and Fox, quoting Kuwaiti News)
Not that it would surprise me but Im not trusting anything on uprisings or WMD finds until its BOTH from a reliable source and more than 24 hours old.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 14:29 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree with liberalhawk, and others, I hope stuff like this is true but let us get hard confirmation and not get cocky or overconfident!
Anyway, the picture is great, what is the source and where was it taken? It is one of the most heartening I have seen since the picture of Pfc. Jessica Lynch's smile after being rescued. HOOAH!
Posted by: Rifle308 || 04/07/2003 14:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Don't know the orginal source. Snagged it from Drudge. Pretty picture, ain't it?
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 14:58 Comments || Top||


Marines Find Chemical Suits, Labs at Atomic Energy Site
Acting on a tip from local residents, Marines today raided an abandoned branch of the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission south of Baghdad and found several laboratories, gas masks, chemical suits, vats of industrial chemicals and a map listing buildings that contained "radioactive material." Troops from the 1st Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, scoured the fortified government complex, but a cursory inspection revealed ordinary levels of radiation and chemical contamination. Commanders said they saw enough to call in a "sensitive site exploitation" team to conduct a more thorough analysis. "It could be nothing, but the obvious thing to do is clear the place and notify through the chain of command that we have found what may be a sensitive site," said the commander of the 7th Marine Regiment, Col. Steven Hummer, who visited the battalion to inspect the find. "The experts will be able to tell relatively soon."
Good idea. And try not to fall into the vats of mustard gas...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:16 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's showtime for the rest of the coalition.
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 12:05 Comments || Top||

#2  It's showtime for the rest of the coalition.
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 12:05 Comments || Top||

#3  "Could you guys not STEP DIRECTLY in the evidence, please? Thank you..."
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 17:05 Comments || Top||


Commandos raid Saddam’s private fun park
Edited for brevity.
With its Ferris wheel, merry-go-round and safari park it is the Iraqi version of Disneyland - the best entertainment money could buy for a sadistic dictator with a childish streak. While most of his countrymen struggled in poverty, Saddam Hussein spent hundreds of millions on his own private holiday resort.
Alongside the amusement park there are palaces, villas, a fishing lake, a sports stadium, amphitheatre and casino.

But yesterday the excitement at Saddamland was provided by US special forces as they swooped in by helicopter and, guns blazing, hunted for the tyrant and his henchmen. They blew their way into the buildings with grenades. The pictures showed full-length windows shattered with curtains billowing in the wind.

It was in 1999 that Saddam opened the pleasure resort at Tharthar, 80km northwest of Baghdad, as part of celebrations for his 61st birthday. He named it Saddamiat and used it to reward his most faithful followers. The huge artificial lake is said to be his favourite fishing spot and the safari park is stocked with elephants and deer. The entrance to the pleasure park, which has its own rail link, is dominated by a towering bronze statue of Saddam in military uniform.

About 500km southeast of Saddamland another monument to the regime's lavish spending on itself lay open to the elements yesterday. In the mud fields and flat-topped farmhouses around Basra, the palace of "Chemical Ali" stands out for kilometres. Its crenellated tower of yellowish stone rises above a stand of green date palms. It is a symbol of power. Or at least it used to be, because Ali doesn't live there any more.
"...doesn't live." would suffice, thank you.

Ali's palace has been comprehensively plundered. The fittings have gone from the walls. The light switches have been ripped out. The window panes have gone. The air-conditioning units have disappeared. There is not a scrap of furniture left. The 5m-deep pool is empty and quickly filling with dust.

A man named Hassan stood next to his beaten-up Chevrolet in the heat outside. Its boot was bulging with timber and glass from the palace. He smiled as British soldiers approached. "Ali Chemical! Ali Chemical!" he said pointing at the palace. But it is 14 days since Ali fled. He would have stood in his tower countless times, looking out on a land where everyone's life depended on his whim. Now he is wanted for crimes against humanity.
Actually, now he's wanted for compost.
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 11:08 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anyone think of Michael Jackson's Neverland? ;-)
Posted by: Brian || 04/07/2003 13:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Ferris wheel, merry-go-round and safari park
Humm, anyone seen Michael Jackson lately?
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 11:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Sammy really was living in a fantasy world.
Posted by: Spot || 04/07/2003 12:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Anyone think of Michael Jackson's Neverland? ;-)
Posted by: Brian || 04/07/2003 13:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Yeah, but Sammy only sleeps with parts of young boys.
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 13:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Sammy has (had) a monkey too. I think his name is (was) Qusay. Or was it Uday?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 15:44 Comments || Top||

#7  "Wooo-Hooooooo!"
-- Pfc. Simpson
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 21:23 Comments || Top||


U.S. Finds Missiles with Chemical Weapons
U.S. forces near Baghdad found a weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National Public Radio reported on Monday. NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed the chemicals were "not just trace elements." It said the cache was discovered by Marines with the 101st Airborne Division, which was following up behind the Army after it seized Baghdad's international airport.
If this report is true, that's definitely what y'd call a smoking gun. I don't know that I'd consider NPR a reliable source, though...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 10:36 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Hey Hans! Look what we found!"
Posted by: Angry Federalist || 04/07/2003 11:27 Comments || Top||

#2  I am listening to NPR in this moment (noon) and they are repeating the story and this time as the opening story of the news.
Posted by: Poitiers || 04/07/2003 11:06 Comments || Top||

#3  NPR's reporting this? Oh, that must be breaking their balls bigtime! You mean... Bush was... right? They're probably praying the story's wrong. No, it's just Kool Aid...
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 11:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Nyah! Nyah! Told you so! (stupid f***ing frogs)
Posted by: Spot || 04/07/2003 11:18 Comments || Top||

#5  It seems beyond belief that the Iraqis would actually put both Sarin and Mustard gas in the same rocket. However, if they did do that it certainly explains why the rockets weren't fired. I, personnally would be scared s...less to be anywhere near a firing rocket with that stuff on it.
Posted by: mhw || 04/07/2003 11:26 Comments || Top||

#6  "Hey Hans! Look what we found!"
Posted by: Angry Federalist || 04/07/2003 11:27 Comments || Top||

#7  The BM-21 rocket is a 122mm weapon fired from the back of a 5-ton truck. The launcher usually has 40 missile tubes. What was probably found was a mix of weapons, some with high explosive, some with sarin, and some with mustard gas. You wouldn't put two different chemicals in the same warhead. That potent mix would make a battlefield just a tad more difficult for everyone, including the clean-up crew later.

Thing to think about, if the rockets are there and already filled, then someone planned to use them. You can't let the chemicals stay in the warhead long, or they will either corrode and leak, or some other chemical action will take place, and they won't be as potent. It looks like whoever was necessary to give the order to fire them wasn't around to do that. Whether that was Saddam, Ouday, or whoever, I'm glad he didn't!
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 11:47 Comments || Top||

#8  I suspect we have been finding plenty of goodies along the way that just aren't being released to the media yet. It serves no good purpose to the military mission to go public at this time.
When we do go public, I think it will managed more on the state department side of the house as they are the ones who get to deal with the diplomatic details. The President and Rummy will just get to smirk "I told you so..."
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 12:00 Comments || Top||

#9  "Reliable source"? Leave it to NPR to get the 101st airborne transferred to the Marine Corps.
Posted by: leonidas || 04/07/2003 13:14 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Opposition Leader Is in Nassiriya
Iraqi opposition leader Ahmad Chalabi has arrived in the southern Iraqi town of Nassiriya at the head of 700 fighters, joining the U.S. military campaign against the government, an opposition official said on Monday. The presence of Chalabi, the best known leader of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), indicates that Pentagon plans for the future of Iraq have gained ground over the rival plans of the State Department, which does not rate Chalabi highly.
Snicker
The INC official, who asked not to be named, said she spoke to one of Chalabi's aides in Nassiriya by satellite phone on Monday morning Washington time. An INC statement on Sunday said that the 700 Iraqi fighters would serve under the commander of the U.S. invasion, Gen. Tommy Franks, and help U.S. forces defeat the remaining forces of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "They will also take part in delivering humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people and maintaining law, order and stability in areas already liberated. The number of Free Iraqi Forces in southern and central Iraq is expected to be increased quickly," the statement added. The INC official said the people of Nassiriya were flocking to the INC contingent with demands that they restore public services such as water and electricity. The State Department has had a troubled relationship with Chalabi and did not give the INC much of a role in its planning for the future of Iraq. But Chalabi has some friends in the Pentagon, the White House and Congress.
I think his three aces wins this poker game.
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#1  Chalabi must be OK. Leslie Stahl (60 minutes) doesn't like him.
Posted by: leonidas || 04/07/2003 13:20 Comments || Top||

#2  He's a shiite and that's the most important thing. Then again, maybe that explains State oppostion.
Posted by: Hiryu || 04/07/2003 13:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Chalabi has friends among the neo-cons, is no friend of Saudi, and is not interested in a military dictatorship in Iraq. That explains State's opposition well enough.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  He's never run anything and Salam says a lot of Iraqis hate him. Reasons enough to keep him out of a leadership role.
Posted by: Sade || 04/07/2003 14:51 Comments || Top||

#5  He's never run anything - so dont make him president - doesnt mean he cant have a role - salam says alot of Iraqis hate him - are we going to vette every potential leader with every Iraqi blogger? (well i know there arent many Iraqi bloggers, but i think you get my point - what POV does Salam represent within Iraq, and how does that relate to Chalabi et al)
I think we wait and see how the folks on the ground react, and how he does.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 16:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, sure, once there's some semblance of a functioning democracy, the Iraqis can elect him Grand Golden Poopmonster for all _I_ care.
Posted by: Sade || 04/07/2003 20:21 Comments || Top||


Ansar Militants Returning to Surrender
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Members of Ansar al-Islam, the extremist Muslim group pushed from its northern Iraq enclave by U.S. and Kurdish forces a week ago, have begun surrendering at the Iranian border where hundreds of fighters sought refuge. At least a dozen fighters surrendered today to Kurdish officials, and negotiations were underway to receive at least 150 more, said an official of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), which controls the eastern half of the Kurdish autonomous zone and whose militia joined with U.S. Special Forces to rout the group. "The numbers are fluctuating," said the official, who asked not to be named. "A bunch crossed the border themselves." A PUK delegation has traveled to Tehran, the Iranian capital, to demand the return of scores of Arabs who had fought alongside Ansar's fighters. "We want them to deliver the Arab Afghans back to us," said the PUK official.
Taliban and Arab friends who lost in Afghanistan, and now lost in Iraq. I'm betting the senior leaders will be allowed to pass through Iran and the cannon fodder are refused entry.
When U.S. Special Forces led 6,000 Kurdish militiamen against Ansar positions on March 28, Ansar fighters fled to Iran, which detained at least the Kurdish members of Ansar. They began trickling back over the weekend, inquiring whether a previous offer of amnesty remained open, the PUK official said.
But the whereabouts of the Arab fighters is not clear. Last year Iran returned to their home countries several dozen al Qaeda members who had crossed into Iran from Afghanistan after the U.S. attack on that country. Diplomats and other sources noted, however, that several senior al Qaeda figures continued to find refuge in Iran. How many Ansar fighters remain alive is not known. U.S. Special Forces commanders told reporters after the battle that of about 700 Ansar fighters, more were killed than escaped. But because many died in caves or on remote ridges, a casualty count was not available. Kurdish sources said 22 of their militiamen died, about half the figure announced earlier.
Good job, now just keep the ones who surrender on a short lease. We'll take the Arabs to the Gitmo Hilton.

They were saying on the teevee yesterday that the Ansar website continues just as bloodthirsty and malevolent as ever. Seems Abdullah Shafae made it out in the nick of time. A website proves nothing — I could have the Nebraska Liberation Front website up and running in 12 hours, complete with stories of victorious NLF forces storming Omaha and flocks of converts to the Church of the Divine Elvis as the One True Religion. Their strength was estimated at 600-700 and the corpse counts seem to be approaching that, so it's likely only Abdullah and his web designer got away. Probably it's dead, until he can come up with more suckers to take another collection of shacks in the hills and convert the locals at gunpoint.

But Ansar's only the ucky yellow head on that particular Boil of Islam. It was formed out of three existing groups, one of which — al-Tawhid — seems to have been where they kept the international wing, run by Zarqawi. They're the bunch who were running the chem weapons labs, training the Algerians in Pankisi Gorge, and sending them into Europe to dole out ricin to the waiting Infidels. They're the wing it's essential to wipe out. Most of the rest of it appeared to be cannon fodder, and not particularly bright cannon fodder at that.
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100 Iraqi troops surrender to Kurds
Sanandaj, Kordestan Prov, April 7, IRNA -- One hundred of Iraqi soldiers have surrendered to the Kurdish forces during a conflict in northern Iraq on Sunday, the Kurdistan TV satellite channel said on Monday. "The Iraqi forces, including two commanders, 46 soldiers, 45 NCOs and seven high-ranking officers, have yielded to the Kurdistan Democratic Party forces in frontier of Pir Dawud region near Arbil and Mosul," the channel affiliating to the KDP added. The channel further claimed that considering the extensive withdrawal of the Iraqi forces to Dibagah city near Mosul, they are expected to evacuate the city during next day. Meanwhile a Kurdish commander Amin Najar told to the Kurdistan TV that the Zorgezraw, Pir Dawud, Sheikh Shirvan and Herveh regions are currently under the control of KDP forces. He added that these regions are of strategic importance due to being adjacent to Arbil. According to the commander, the Kurdish forces have taken a tank, nine military vehicles and a number of weapons as booty during the clashes.
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Welsh Cavalry help take Basra palace
A troop from the Queen's Dragoon Guards - known as the Welsh Cavalry - gave their support to the Royal Marines' Juliet Company as they entered the palace at dawn on Monday. The capture of the palace - which was empty of people - was the culmination of the operation begun on Sunday to take control of the city. Soldiers from the Welsh Cavalry, who were at the forefront of the latest push into Basra, reported a friendly reception from the people in the city. Lt John Whelan said: "It was amazing. It was like VE Day. We stopped at junctions and had about 400 or 500 people round the vehicles. We gave them some food and then when we drove off they tried running after us until they could no longer keep up. They were all very friendly."

There were also reports that local people have started taking revenge on people involved with Saddam's regime. Captain Alex Boissard said: "People are killing the police who are on the street corners. It started a few days ago. There are also reports that they are hunting Ba'ath Party officials in their building. This has been going on ever since they realised that the British were already in Basra. The locals said that all the regular army soldiers had left and any Feyadeen or Hizbollah they would deal with themselves."

Major Henry Sugden, in charge of C Squadron, Queen's Dragoon Guards, said troops had had an easier passage through the town than expected. ""Rather than fighting all the way up there, we just drove up. It means Basra has completely fallen. The Shias have been out saying they will kill any Feyadeen they see.
My reading is that the locals know that there is no coordinated regime structure within Basra, which is why they have come out so positively in support of us and why they are so determined to settle old scores and hunt down the Feyadeen."
Hunting season now open
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 08:52 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good hunting!
Posted by: George || 04/07/2003 9:09 Comments || Top||

#2  --and no limits!
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Tally Ho! Then clean out the garbage and get to living like normal human beings and not under the trunchions of the Ba'athists. Congradulations, Brits on a well executed and methodical plan in some extremely difficult circumstances!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 9:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Reports are coming from Iranian and Kuwati news agencies that popular uprising has started in Baghdad. Bad day to be a Baathists.
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 9:46 Comments || Top||

#5  With their lances flashing,
warriors wild are crashing,
Through the tyrants serried ranks,
whilst onwards they are dashing

Now the enemy is flying,
trumping on the dead and dying
Victory aloft is crying,
Cambria wins the field.


Come home safe, guys.
Posted by: Mike || 04/07/2003 12:42 Comments || Top||

#6  *thumbs up* About time the locals took things into their own hands. Good hunting to all except the Fedayeen and Ba'athists...
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 13:35 Comments || Top||

#7  CYMRU!
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 14:21 Comments || Top||


Russian diplomats run for Syria
Edited for length:
Russian diplomats injured as they left Baghdad on Sunday have resumed their journey to Syria, leaving two people behind at a hospital in the city of Falluja. A medically equipped Russian aircraft is waiting in Syria to fly the diplomats back to Moscow on Monday night. But Russian news agencies say US military commanders are "hindering" the progress of the convoy, by altering its route and refusing to provide safety guarantees.
Tough
US National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice was expected to meet President Vladimir Putin on Monday to discuss the shooting incident. She emerged from an hour-long meeting with Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, saying nothing except that they had had a good conversation.
"So Igor, how'd your Final Four picks do?"
The convoy of diplomatic cars with 23 passengers was caught in crossfire as it drove out of the city on Sunday, flying the Russian flag. Russian television journalist Alexander Minakov, who was with them, said they were passing Iraqi positions on the edge of the city when they came under heavy fire. He said the Iraqis were shelled by coalition forces and returned fire. Russian media are reporting that two bullets from the stomach of one victim came from an M-16 semi-automatic assault rifle, used by US marines.
Hey, Ivan, AK-74 uses a round pretty close to the same caliber.
US Central Command in Qatar said "initial reports" indicated there were no US or British troops nearby. But in Washington, General Peter Pace, deputy head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Pentagon was investigating. "There was no reporting by any ground unit of the coalition of any kind of contact" with the motorcade, he said.
"We would have used a .50 on limo's, so wasn't us."
Russia's Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, is reported to have escaped with minor scratches after a bullet hit the windscreen of his vehicle. According to the Itar-Tass news agency 12 embassy staff are remaining in Baghdad.
Right now they are thinking they are lucky that they stayed.
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 08:29 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The ak 47 is made so that it can fire Nato rounds but Ak rounds can't be used in a M-16.
Posted by: raptor || 04/07/2003 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, gee, I guess they ought to have left earlier. Oh...that's right, they were busy trying to shred evidence of their perfidy. Mustn't leave behind records of their illegal dealings with Saddam! What's a few bullet holes when one is sacrificing for the big lie? What would the truth do to the vaunted UN "legalities"? We must adhere to "international law" at all times! Too bad France and Germany didn't have the same access to the shredder. But then, they would have had to risk the same perils of staying in the path of the allies -- under the gun, as it where -- and we all know that actual, physical danger is something France, perpetually dressed in saintly white, will not do.
Posted by: Dee Bates || 04/07/2003 10:47 Comments || Top||

#3  "A medically equipped Russian aircraft," eh? That just means it's plastered with bandaids to keep the wings from falling off.
Posted by: (lowercase) matt || 04/07/2003 9:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Regretfully, Sammy and his sons are probably packed in the trunk.
Posted by: Hiryu || 04/07/2003 9:42 Comments || Top||

#5  The ak 47 is made so that it can fire Nato rounds but Ak rounds can't be used in a M-16.
Posted by: raptor || 04/07/2003 9:48 Comments || Top||

#6  They coulda just driven to the airport and climbed on a Herkey bird...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 10:06 Comments || Top||

#7  They finally got to Syria. "I saw six cars with Iraqi diplomatic number plates including the (Russian) ambassador's car," a Reuters cameraman said. "He was driving his car which had two bullet holes in it, one in the glass and one on the driver's side. The other cars also had bullet holes."A Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman said five Russian diplomats were injured. Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko was slightly hurt. "The firing lasted for about 30 or 40 minutes," Titorenko told Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television. "It is clear we are foreigners and not Arabs. The economic advisor tried by hand signals to explain to them we were foreigners but instead of responding to him, they opened fire on him...and now his head has been injured."
"Hey Amed, I think that guy just gave me the finger!" BANG! "That'll teach him."
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 10:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Well, gee, I guess they ought to have left earlier. Oh...that's right, they were busy trying to shred evidence of their perfidy. Mustn't leave behind records of their illegal dealings with Saddam! What's a few bullet holes when one is sacrificing for the big lie? What would the truth do to the vaunted UN "legalities"? We must adhere to "international law" at all times! Too bad France and Germany didn't have the same access to the shredder. But then, they would have had to risk the same perils of staying in the path of the allies -- under the gun, as it where -- and we all know that actual, physical danger is something France, perpetually dressed in saintly white, will not do.
Posted by: Dee Bates || 04/07/2003 10:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Their buddies, the French and Germans, left before the war started. Unless they actually BELIEVED al-Jazeera and Arnett that the Iraqis were winning, it's kind of late to leave now.
Hell, they should have waited a few more days. I'm sure the road would have been safer after we mopped up a bit.
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 18:25 Comments || Top||


U.S. May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site
U.S. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an Iraqi storage site for weapons of mass destruction (WMD). A military source said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin — a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation — at the site. Iraq is believed to have used sarin against Kurdish Iraqis in the 1980s. "Our detectors have indicated something," said Maj. Ross Coffman, a public affairs officer with the U.S. 3rd Infantry. "We're talking about finding a site of possible WMD storage. This is an initial report, but it could be a smoking gun." The site was south of the central Iraqi town of Hindiyah. "It is not as if there is a cloud of gas hanging everywhere endangering soldiers lives. We're talking about a facility," Coffman added.

On Saturday, a U.S. officer said that first tests of a suspicious white powder and liquid found on Friday in thousands of boxes south of Baghdad indicated it was not a chemical weapon. Over the weekend, U.S. Marines in the central Iraqi town of Aziziyah began digging up a suspected chemical weapons hiding place at a girl's school. The dig began after U.S. forces received information from an Iraqi who described himself as a former special forces member. The informant told the Marines that a team of Iraqi officials broke through the wall of the school two months ago to truck in material and buried it under new concrete — about the size of two tennis courts — in the course of three nights.
Posted by: Spot || 04/07/2003 08:18 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Once again, as long as we don't "confirm" Iraq has WMD, the Iraqi leadership hopes to use the lack as a hammer against the Coalition. Once we confirm the crap exists, there's no reason NOT to use it.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 12:07 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree Patriot. I also think they don't want to confirm what we found, so that the enemy doesn't know what we have not found.

But what boggles my mind is the number of liberal idiots ready and willing to chomp at the bait. Heard a reporter ask one of the Generals the other day, "dahhh...do you think that you will find yourself in the uncomfortable situation where the war is over before you found what you came for?" How do you answer something THAT stupid?
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 13:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Is anyone who reads rantburg surprised? What level of denial does one need to stoop, in order to desperately cling to the ridiculous notion that they will be vindicated, VINDICATED I TELL YOU! in their superior wisdom and moral self-righteousness for backing the impotent UN?

It borders on pathetic watching these talking heads desperately clutch each and every straw that blows their way, simply because CENTCOM refuses to use the word, "confirmed".
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 9:29 Comments || Top||

#4  We have a lot yet to learn about WMD. Our Intel boys (& girls) must be wetting themselves.
Consider what they knew beforehand and what they will find now. BTW-what about the cyanide and mustard gas dumped into the Euphrates? Seems to me to be a clear violation of the Clean Water Act!
Posted by: Spot || 04/07/2003 10:03 Comments || Top||

#5  Once again, as long as we don't "confirm" Iraq has WMD, the Iraqi leadership hopes to use the lack as a hammer against the Coalition. Once we confirm the crap exists, there's no reason NOT to use it.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 12:07 Comments || Top||

#6  I agree Patriot. I also think they don't want to confirm what we found, so that the enemy doesn't know what we have not found.

But what boggles my mind is the number of liberal idiots ready and willing to chomp at the bait. Heard a reporter ask one of the Generals the other day, "dahhh...do you think that you will find yourself in the uncomfortable situation where the war is over before you found what you came for?" How do you answer something THAT stupid?
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 13:31 Comments || Top||

#7  "How do you answer something THAT stupid? "

Like this: we dont expect to find anything soon. As we said all along, Iraq is a big place, and you cant find well-hidden stuff just by sniffing around - we wont find it all out till we have the chance to interview iraqi scientists and technicians, which will be much easier once we have completed the destruction of the regime. Meanwhile we may find something, but we dont want to get caught up in chasing what maybe false leads.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 14:08 Comments || Top||

#8  liberalhawk - that is indeed a reasonable answer, but the question remains stupid. Wars are not fought with one eye on the enemy and one looking for WMD. It's not as if we have to hightail it out of the country after the war is over.
Posted by: Jeff Brokaw || 04/07/2003 14:41 Comments || Top||


British Advance on Basra
Brilliant piece describing the taking of Basra. It's too good to edit, here's a teaser!
Lieutenant William Colquhoun had unpacked his bagpipes and sat on the turret of his Warrior waiting for the order to advance. As he began to play, the sound of Scotland the Brave drifted across the bridge towards the city, competing with the clatter of rotor blades as four Cobra helicopters raced in to join the attack. In the headquarters of the 7th Armoured Brigade, Brigadier Graham Binns realised it was time to commit everything he had to the battle.
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 07:49 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very good article! I do find this line puzzling, though:
Tanks used their chain guns to blast more mines out of the way.

Wonder if this was a daisy chain on top of the road surface? Can you shoot up AT mines, or would this imply they were AP mines?
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:26 Comments || Top||

#2  This is probably a comment on the usual Iraqi mine deployment technique; just dump the AT mines on top of the road and hope the enemy is too stupid to notice the mines are there.
Posted by: Hiryu || 04/07/2003 9:37 Comments || Top||

#3  By the looks of the terrain in the photo, perhaps the mines had been covered with sand that blew away.
Posted by: Tom || 04/07/2003 14:20 Comments || Top||


Iraq: GIs ’slaughtered’ in Baghdad
Iraq said on Monday that Iraqi forces were slaughtering U.S. forces attacking Baghdad and denied that 65 U.S. tanks had burst into the city and captured palaces of President Saddam Hussein.
You see anything Ali? NO Mohammed just a lot of smoke.
"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad," Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf told reporters in central Baghdad. "Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected. Iraqis are heroes."
Hey Joe, before we commit suicide can I shoot the 120mm at that statue of Saddam?
Sure pal go ahead.

"We will continue to slaughter them," he said, rejecting reports of a major U.S. advance into the center of the city. "Do not believe those liars," he said.
Bill this palace sure is nice,do you want to take a shower first are should I?
Update: I swear to you there are no tanks in Bagdhad, liars. Those were our troops in captured US tanks that we got when we defeated the infidels at the airport as they ran away!
LOL This guys must be smoking crack!
Posted by: Al Saeed Oncrack || 04/07/2003 02:31 am || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Either someone is pointing a gun at this guy's wife and kids or he has a hell of a future in Hollywood after this war is over.
Posted by: Michael || 04/07/2003 9:20 Comments || Top||

#2  All the comments have to be fixed, I reckon.
Posted by: Brian || 04/07/2003 6:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Either someone is pointing a gun at this guy's wife and kids or he has a hell of a future in Hollywood after this war is over.
Posted by: Michael || 04/07/2003 9:20 Comments || Top||

#4  The poster's handle:

Al Saeed Oncrack

was a chuckler!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 9:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Either someone is pointing a gun at this guy's wife and kids or he has a hell of a future in Hollywood after this war is over.

Yeah, he can go work for that asshole Michael Moore.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/07/2003 9:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Hey, it takes a special kind of guy to keep a straight face while telling the entire world about the Easter Bunny. "Listen to me: I did not have sex with the 15th MEF. They're not anywhere near Baghdad."
Posted by: Matt || 04/07/2003 10:02 Comments || Top||

#7  One of the highlights of this war are Info Man's press conferences. I can't wait for the one where the 3ID guys walk in in the middle of it and tell Mo the shows been cancelled.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 11:02 Comments || Top||

#8  On this morning news I saw an interview with a 3ID captian saying they were about across the street from the Ministery of Information and were considering going over during the next news conference and ask him about that.

I'd give anything to see that.
Posted by: Michael || 04/07/2003 11:19 Comments || Top||

#9  Saw this live and I swear the Fox translator was seconds from busting up as he translated the lies.
Posted by: Yank || 04/07/2003 12:50 Comments || Top||

#10  Yeh, Fiskie's not buying the propaganda lies either...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3350810

Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Info Man is the funniest thing on TV. I'm sure gonna miss him when the war's over.....
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 23:54 Comments || Top||


Saddam has fled Baghdad: Ex-aide
Snipped. This was a redo from yesterday.
Posted by: a325th505thdad || 04/07/2003 02:06 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  he should be shot by a bodyguard if the enemy noose is tightening

Hokay
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 7:16 Comments || Top||

#2  This guy had better not get away. He's not some cave-dweller like Osama. He's been living better than a King for decades, so he's not as much of a survivalist as Osama is. It will look REALLY bad if he gets away.
Posted by: Mike N. || 04/07/2003 9:10 Comments || Top||


4ID dashing for Tikrit
Units from the hi-tech US 4th Infantry Division, which was blocked by a decision of the Ankara parliament from entering Iraq from Turkey, have begun a 350-mile dash north from Kuwait towards Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's home stronghold some 100 miles north of Baghdad.

Deployed in combat for the first time since the Vietnam War, the 4th Infantry is seen as a counterweight to Iraqi forces to the north of the capital and could be used if pro-Saddam forces tried to stage a last stand in Tikrit after the fall of Baghdad. Allied special forces have already set up checkpoints on the road between Baghdad and Tikrit to prevent members of the regime or its forces moving between them. Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, the US deputy chief of operations, said last week that Tikrit, which has been heavily bombed, was known to have housed command and control facilities for the regime.

The Republican Guard's Adnan Mechanised Division is based at Tikrit. The town also has a symbolic importance as the birthplace, in 1138, of Saladin, the legendary Muslim leader who defeated the Crusaders by seizing Jerusalem from the Christians.

The 4th Infantry, whose equipment began to be unloaded at the Kuwaiti port of Shuaiba last Tuesday, is known as the "digital division" because of its ultra-sophisticated communications systems. It is equipped with the M1-A2 SEP Abrams, the army's most modern tank. It is fitted with digital and thermal imaging and steel-encased depleted uranium armour, and is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. The division also uses Bradley fighting vehicles.

Unloading of the division's equipment began last week at a breakneck pace, despite the stifling heat, immediately after the first of its ships, the Houston-based Cape Texas, arrived at the port. The 4th Infantry's 2nd Battalion Field Artillery unloaded 550 vehicles in 12 hours, instead of the normal two days. Meanwhile, round-the-clock flights to Kuwait have been bringing troops from the division's base in Fort Hood, Texas.
Wow. What a job being done just getting 4ID into position.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 02:04 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hope it's true, even if CENTCOM is just slapping together ad hoc battle groups and kicking them up the road.
Posted by: Hiryu || 04/07/2003 7:55 Comments || Top||

#2  [i]It is equipped with the M1-A2 SEP Abrams, the army's most modern tank. It is fitted with digital and thermal imaging and steel-encased depleted uranium armour, and is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical warfare.[/i]

Hah! Something to shove down the throats of the DU whiners.
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 13:59 Comments || Top||


Iraqis believe Chemical Ali is dead after bodyguard is killed in attack
Followup on previous stories here with latest news on confirmation.
The prospect that Ali Hassan al-Majid, the cousin of Saddam Hussein widely known as "Chemical Ali", may have been killed by Allied forces was one of several factors which tipped the balance in favour of British forces entering Basra yesterday. British military sources confirmed yesterday that the corpse of the bodyguard of Majid, who allegedly ordered the gassing of thousands of Kurds in Halabja in 1988 and many other war crimes, was found in the wreckage of a destroyed Basra building. Another military source said that although the body of Majid had not been found, many civilians in the area believed he had been killed in the building, attacked after he was seen entering it on Friday. About 20 Iraqi officials and others are believed to have been killed in the strike. Military officials said civilians were less fearful of the regime after the apparent elimination of Majid, and so likely to be more warmly disposed to an incursion of British troops. There were unconfirmed reports of a demonstration in one part of the city celebrating his death.
So at least someone thinks his corpse has been found.

"Now, lookee here, Bob. It can't be just the bodyguard, unless he had 14 toes."
"Lemme see them toes, Albert. Why, bless my soul! Lookit dat! See?"
"See what?"
"These three, they're definitely darker than those eleven."
"Hmmm... I think they might go with this elbow..."
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 02:01 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Time for ululating on this one.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 8:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Officially reported now that British forces have indeed found the body of Chemical Ali...

...the witch is dead, the witch is dead...
Posted by: Bill || 04/07/2003 2:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Additional casualty may be one of the top Intelligence officials who was visiting him.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 2:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Centcom just refused to confirm.
Posted by: Kathy K || 04/07/2003 6:40 Comments || Top||

#5  UK Centcom just confirmed.
Posted by: Brian || 04/07/2003 7:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Time for ululating on this one.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 8:35 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Guard Fails to Regroup in Baghdad
posted by al-Guardian at 6:50 am GMT.
The vaunted Iraqi Republican Guards have abandoned their tanks, guns and even their uniforms as they flee U.S. troops, failing to regroup in Baghdad and mount an organized resistance against coalition forces ringing the city, military officials say.
"Run away! Run away!"

While the threat of guerrilla-style attacks remains, U.S. soldiers have been destroying weapons, ammunition and vehicles left behind by the Iraqi troops who have ``melted away,'' the officials said. They said they do not expect to face a unified force in Baghdad's streets now that they have isolated the capital. In an indication of the apparent disarray among the elite fighters, someone claiming to be Saddam Hussein called on troops separated from their own fighting units to join any other similar unit to fend off the Americans, according to statements read Sunday on Iraqi TV and radio.

U.S. military officials point to other evidence: the bold show-of-force rumble by the 3rd Infantry Division through the southern part of Baghdad on Saturday. While several hundred Iraqis fired on the U.S. convoy along the way, no one was organized enough to mount a roadblock that would have stopped the Americans cold. ``All you have to do is put a barricade on the road to stop them,'' one senior military official said Sunday. ``What that shows you is they have no organized resistance.''

The Iraqis have not been without some coordinated successes. On Sunday, Iraqi troops stumped the advance of the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines into the outskirts of Baghdad by blowing up one bridge and disabling another nearby.
They finally blew a bridge?

But on the whole, U.S. troops near Baghdad say they have been amazed that they are not finding heavy resistance in towns where Baath Party members, Fedayeen paramilitaries and Republican Guard units were expected.
Amazing.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 01:32 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Things must be looking up, because the "elite" went down to "vaunted". It is obvious that the Republican Guards are in a state of adjective decline. Watch for keywords in future press stories with such words as, "unified" followed by "steadfast", "reconstituted", "determined", "still dangerous," "isolated," "disorganized" "disintegrated" and "vaporized."
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 9:52 Comments || Top||

#2  The vaunted Iraqi Republican Guards.
I wonder what happened to the "elite" ones?
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 7:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Special! So special! These are the guys in the back of the class with plastic spoons and edible glue. Most later suffer zipper-related injuries while befriending goats.
Posted by: Malthusiast || 04/07/2003 7:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Things must be looking up, because the "elite" went down to "vaunted". It is obvious that the Republican Guards are in a state of adjective decline. Watch for keywords in future press stories with such words as, "unified" followed by "steadfast", "reconstituted", "determined", "still dangerous," "isolated," "disorganized" "disintegrated" and "vaporized."
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 9:52 Comments || Top||

#5  "I'M Me-e-e-e-l-l-t-t-t-i-i-i-n-n-n-g..."
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 10:07 Comments || Top||


Iraqi deserters tell of beatings, executions by superiors
Deserters from the Iraqi army say they were beaten by their superiors and one says he saw 10 fellow soldiers executed by a commander, according to a Human Rights Watch report. Some of the 26 soldiers interviewed by the group said officers frequently warned of executions if they tried to escape, telling them during air strikes to stand fast and "die like men."

On March 26, six days after the start of the war, 10 deserters were brought to an open field where a colonel had gathered other units, according to one of the deserters. "This is what happens to betrayers of our nation," the officers told the assembled troops, according to the witness. He then began shooting the men one by one, and other members of the execution squad joined in. The bodies were dragged onto a hillside so the soldiers would have a better view of the corpses, the witness said.

Other deserters have described security cordons of minefields and radar detectors around barracks to restrain potential deserters. They have also said execution units have been created by members of the ruling Baath Party, military security officers and the Iraqi intelligence service. In its report issued Friday, Human Rights Watch estimated there were as many as 130 Iraqi deserters in custody of the Kurdish Democratic Party in Irbil province as of last Wednesday. The deserters who were interviewed by Human Rights Watch were men, between 20 and 38. They said they went for months without pay. "Some days we were so hungry we would eat grass which we mixed with a little water," said a 21-year-old soldier from Baghdad.

A 29-year-old soldier from Baghdad described an intense bombardment by coalition forces, and how he and others fled to Kurdish-controlled territory. "There were six of us," he told Human Rights Watch. "We were afraid because there was talk of execution squads among the soldiers. ... At two o'clock in the morning, we crept away unnoticed and walked for four hours until we reached the Kurdish areas. The Peshmerga welcomed us."
Posted by: a325th505thdad || 04/07/2003 01:26 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  1:50 am CDT: Fox is now describing the interior of the presidental palace previously referenced; the reporter was inside himself and describes the decor. He's then joking with two officers about how one's unit has already taken showers inside and the other's unit hasn't.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 1:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I think that one reason we haven't seen a more coordinated defense is because they have been too busy trying to keep their own forces in play. They can't battle their own troops and the allies at the same time.This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as atrocities are concerned. I shutter to think what we will eventually find. Horror upon horror awaits the light of day.
Posted by: Dee Bates || 04/07/2003 11:23 Comments || Top||


U.S. troops seize Saddam Palace in Center of Baghdad
U.S. troops seized key buildings in the center of the Iraqi capital on Monday, including a major presidential palace and the Information Ministry. Reporters saw the tanks roll into the heart of Baghdad on the western side of the Tigris River, which divides the city. Also occupied was the Al-Rashid Hotel.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 01:09 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL - my wife and I were talking about that very thing:

I'm just waiting for Baghdad Bob to start talking like "Tommy Flanagan", and mentioning "my wife, Morgan Fairchild... yeah thats the ticket"
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||

#2  The guys showering in one of Saddams palaces has to be worth at least 250 PsyOps points.
Posted by: Mike N. || 04/07/2003 11:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Tune to Fox - live news - pictures of an M1 parked onthe front door of Saddam's (former) main Palace.

3/7 led the way. 3rd ID is in downtown in Brigade strength, with at least one heavy armor battalion combat team on the Palace grounds.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Humorous Question of the Day: How will the information minister explain this one away if they have captured his TV set in the Information Ministry?
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:14 Comments || Top||

#5  One clear indicator that the Iraqis have jack left in terms of professional forces, is the following:

"U.S. troops had to pass through a 400-yard-long minefield to approach the area. There were 200 anti-tank mines spread on the road and U.S. troops pushed them aside and proceeded down the highway."

These Iraqi morons didn't even know how to set up the AT mines right - didnt dig them in, or even stake them down with movement detonators or lanyards. I guess the Feydaheen arent too good if they are going up against something other than women and children.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:18 Comments || Top||

#6  FLASH: Information Minister Speaks

This is on Fox at 1:31 am CDT: Iraqi Information Minister is about to speak live; Fox is covering it.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 1:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Map of the combat area: sat photo, 1m resolution. Fighting is on the center and lower right area.

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/iraq/republican_palace_crop.jpg
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Information minister speaking at 1:35 am CDT. I'm typing as I listen on Fox:

"We've slaughtered 3/4 of them now; there are some remenants left."

"The picture as they have stated since they are really sick in their minds; they said they entered with 65 tanks into the center of the city. I am telling you that this is not true. This is part of the sick head."

"There is no presence of the American columns in the city of Baghdad."

"They tried to come from the area of xxxx; they were surrounded by our forces and their columns were slaughtered, and this is to be meant verbatim."

"We have fed them a sour taste yesterday by the brave forces of Saddam Hussein."

"We will not estimate the numbers of deaths; operations are on-going."

"The Americans are beginning to commit suicide at the walls of Baghdad. I encourage them to continue committing suicide."

"Those mercenary, I swear by God the ones in Washington and London they have thrown their soldiers into the fire. God will burn their bellies in hell on the hands of the Iraqis."

"The columns are being killed by the hundreds on the walls of Baghdad. The Iraqis came out victorious. The battle is still going on the main fronts."

"They said they took the Rashid Hotel and the Information Ministry. I heard one of their reporters confirm this. But I tell you this is not true, I am standing here now."

"You just verify what you are hearing, do not repeat what you are hearing (from them). I blame the Jezerra channel because it repeats the Americans without verifying the information."

[The translator is laughing as he translates!]

"They only deserve to be despised. They have invaded a country they are dealing with a legitimate regime."

[Fox is showing pictures of the statue of Saddam on a horse being blown as he speaks]
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 1:47 Comments || Top||

#9  I think I finally discovered the "secret weapons" of the Iraqis. They want to kill the Americans while they are "rolling on the floor laughing their asses off"

I really wonder what they put in these black smokes circling Baghdad?
Posted by: True German Ally || 04/07/2003 1:55 Comments || Top||

#10  1:55 am CDT: Fox describes how an M1 tank named "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue" blew up the statue of Saddam on the Horse with its main gun.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/07/2003 1:57 Comments || Top||

#11  01:22 MDT Seems this is "Just a Raid" (Recon in Force). The 2nd Bde of the 3rd Inf Div apparently were surprised by the lack of *effective* resistance, so they have gone on a rampage.

No more details at this time, but it appears they are still controlling the Presidential palace Fox News showed
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 2:28 Comments || Top||

#12  Damn. I was waiting for that one shot from long range that would make his head explode on live TV. Or, it would've been funny to see an Apache come up behind him as he was talking. Damn. When will they get this guy. I can't stand watching people spew propaganda like this, WITH A SMILE ON THEIR FACE!
Posted by: RW || 04/07/2003 2:32 Comments || Top||

#13  Some commercial grade fireworks during his press conference would have been great.
Posted by: Dishman || 04/07/2003 3:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Hillary Clinton has been in contact with the Minister. "He's the man for the job", she said referring to her desire to exile him for the position of US presidential press secretary, 2008.
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 7:15 Comments || Top||

#15  I saw that press conference live. I figured the expression on his face meant, "Yeah, yeah, I know it's bullshit, but I'm paid to shovel it."

It was funny when the translator couldn't keep himself from laughing. I think it was the Lebanese network's translator (they were getting the feed from a Lebanese station, they said).

If we couldn't have actual tanks, I'd have liked to see one of the reporters point over his shoulder and shout, "Look! The Americans!" just to see what would happen.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 04/07/2003 8:40 Comments || Top||

#16 
U.S. Army Stf. Sgt. Chad Touchett, center, and soldiers A Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment, relax following a search in one of Saddam Hussein's palaces, damaged after a bombing, in Baghdad today. (John Moore, AP Photo)

Enjoy, men! You've earned it!
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:13 Comments || Top||

#17  So is there any truth to the rumor that there is a bunker or some Ba'athist facilities under the Al Rasheed Hotel? Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 10:02 Comments || Top||

#18  Can't fool me - that's John Lovitz in a beret!

Yeah, that's the ticket...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 10:10 Comments || Top||

#19  LOL - my wife and I were talking about that very thing:

I'm just waiting for Baghdad Bob to start talking like "Tommy Flanagan", and mentioning "my wife, Morgan Fairchild... yeah thats the ticket"
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||

#20  The guys showering in one of Saddams palaces has to be worth at least 250 PsyOps points.
Posted by: Mike N. || 04/07/2003 11:29 Comments || Top||

#21  I think the Information Minister is angling for post-war employment with the NKors.
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:05 Comments || Top||

#22  Nah, I think he's angling for the Press Secretary position for John Kerry's campaign.
Posted by: Don || 04/07/2003 14:33 Comments || Top||

#23  I think it would be great if some SpecOps troops dropped in to personally say "Howdy" at his next press conference!!!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/07/2003 15:43 Comments || Top||


Sarin test sparks evacuation of compound
US soldiers evacuated an Iraqi military compound early today after tests by a mobile laboratory detected the presence of sarin, a powerful nerve agent. The testing came after more than a dozen soldiers from the Army's 101st Airborne Division who guarded the military compound on Saturday night came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to very low levels of nerve agent, including vomiting, dizziness and skin blotches. The soldiers, along with a Knight Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman and two Iraqi prisoners of war, were sent for chemical weapons decontamination and hosed down with water and bleach. If subsequent tests uphold the findings, it would be the first evidence of weapons of mass destruction, a cornerstone of the Bush administration's rationale for the invasion of Iraq and something that eluded United Nations inspectors for months.

Early tests for chemical agents at the compound were inconsistent. Some showed the presence of so-called G-Series nerve agents, which include tabun and sarin, both of which Iraq has been known to possess. A hand-held scanning device also indicated the soldiers had been exposed to a nerve agent. Other tests, however, came back negative. More precise tests by an Army Fox mobile nuclear, biological and chemical detection laboratory indicated the existence of sarin and triggered the evacuation of the captured military compound by dozens of soldiers. Sergeant Todd Ruggles, a biochemical expert attached to the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne said: "I was right" that the nerve agent was present.

Even as the tests were being done, high-ranking commanders hastened to examine the sites, including Colonel Joseph Anderson, 2nd Brigade commander; Brigadier General Benjamin Freakley, assistant commander of the 101st Airborne for operations; and Major General David Petraeus, division commander. They made no comment afterward on what was contained in the sites near the village of Albu Muhawish, on the Euphrates River about 100km south of Baghdad. US soldiers found suspect chemicals at two sites: an agricultural warehouse containing 55-gallon chemical drums, which was later sealed off, and the military compound, which soldiers had begun searching on Saturday. The soldiers also found hundreds of gas masks and chemical suits at the military complex, along with large numbers of mortar and artillery rounds. "We do think there's stuff in this compound and the other compound, but we think it's buried," said Army 1st Lieutenant Elena Aravjo of the 63rd Chemical Company. "I'm really suspicious of both of those compounds."
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 04/07/2003 01:01 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Maybe Sean Penn or Janeane Garofalo, or ....( the list is SO long ) should go back and let us know if it's safe.
Posted by: Dixie Normus || 04/07/2003 13:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Smoking Gun anyone?
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:15 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't understand... I thought they outlawed chemical weapons. You mean to tell me Saddam was lying this whole time? Geez, who can you trust these days?!
Posted by: Matt || 04/07/2003 1:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Hans Blix and the UN never found any WMD, and they searched for 12 years, so of course of course there is no Sarin there.



Gadzooks! That Irqi Minister of DisInformation is a hoot!
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 1:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Smoking Gun anyone?

Send in Hans Blix for a tour of the site before it's decontaminated.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/07/2003 10:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Bleach bath for Blix? Sounds good, don't forget the wire brush and scrub behind those ears!
Posted by: (lowercase) matt || 04/07/2003 11:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Sounds like they found "Love Canal"
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 12:18 Comments || Top||

#8  Maybe Sean Penn or Janeane Garofalo, or ....( the list is SO long ) should go back and let us know if it's safe.
Posted by: Dixie Normus || 04/07/2003 13:42 Comments || Top||

#9  The soldiers, along with a Knight Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman and two Iraqi prisoners of war, were sent for chemical weapons decontamination and hosed down with water and bleach.

Too bad about the soliders and the POWs getting in the way of sweet justice. CNN is going to have to hire the Iraqi Information Minister to blow THIS one off.
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:08 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Names Names
Captured al-Qaeda planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has given U.S. interrogators the names and descriptions of about a dozen key al-Qaeda operatives believed to be plotting terrorist attacks on American and other Western interests, according to federal officials. Other high-level al-Qaeda detainees previously disclosed some of the names, but Mohammed, until recently al-Qaeda's chief operating officer and the brains behind the 9/11 attacks, has volunteered new ones. He has also added crucial details to the descriptions of other suspects and filled in important gaps in what U.S. intelligence knows about al-Qaeda's practices.

One of the al-Qaeda operatives identified by Mohammed is Adman G. El Shukrijumah, a 27-year-old Saudi who went to college in South Florida. Last week the FBI launched a global manhunt for Shukrijumah, who, officials say, Mohammed has dubbed a leader on a par with Mohammed Atta, the top man on the 9/11 hijack team. Sources tell TIME that U.S. intelligence agencies are urgently searching for at least two other key lieutenants fingered by Mohammed. Still other team names and descriptions have been refined during Mohammed's interrogation. This data has been dispatched to allied intelligence and security services to be placed on lookout lists.

Mohammed's cooperation has improved investigators' understanding of al-Qaeda's command-and-control structure. Sources say he has explained that at any time, the organization has open-ended plans for as many as two dozen attacks — mostly ideas proposed by field operatives and sanctioned and financed by Osama bin Laden's inner circle.

Mohammed's account dovetails with those of other detainees. Al-Qaeda schemes, now in various stages of development, run the gamut from old-fashioned truck bombings to assassinations to the dispersal of chemical and biological agents, sources say. He has underscored al-Qaeda's interest in spectacular attacks on landmarks such as the White House, the Israeli embassy in Washington, Chicago's Sears Tower and bridges in Manhattan, St. Louis and San Francisco.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 04/07/2003 10:22 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


What the fight is all about
Of all places to find Truth, a not-so-old Sci Fi series...

There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities. It is against chaos and despair! Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope. The death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.

Babylon 5 - some of the best TV writing ever done, and probably the most succinct summary of the current battles world wide
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 09:58 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  agree 100% Easily the best TV show of modern times.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/07/2003 10:51 Comments || Top||

#2  When will Season 2 be out on DVD? Come on guys, get cracking this war will be over soon and I'll need something to watch.
Posted by: Yank || 04/07/2003 12:56 Comments || Top||

#3  In Valen's name.

Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 13:26 Comments || Top||

#4  100% in agreement.

"Faith Manages."
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Season 2...April 29.
Posted by: Pink & Fluffy || 04/07/2003 17:18 Comments || Top||

#6  We're not the only fans (via Bjørn Stærk)...
Posted by: someone || 04/08/2003 0:10 Comments || Top||


Words of Wisdom from the 70’s
The Queen of Light took her bow
And then she turned to go,
The Prince of Peace embraced the gloom
And walked the night alone.
Oooh dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The Dark Lord rides in force tonight
And time will tell us all.
Ohhh throw down your plow and hoe,
Rest not to lock your homes.
As side by side we wait the might
Of the darkest of them all.
Ohhh

I hear the horses thunder
Down in the valley below.
I'm waitin' for the Angels of Avalon,
Waitin' for the eastern glow.

The apples of the valley hold,
The seeds of happiness.
The ground is rich from tender care,
Repay, do not forget.
Ohhh No, no! Dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The apples turn to brown and black,
The tyrant's face is red.
Oooh Hohh now! War is the common cry,
Pick up your swords and fly.
The sky is filled with good and bad
That mortals never know.
Ohhh. Now.

Oh well, the night is long,
The beads of time pass slow.
Tired eyes on the sunrise,
Waitin' for the eastern glow.

The pain of war cannot exceed
The woe of aftermath.
The drums will shake the castle wall,
The ring wraiths ride in black. Ride on.
Ohhh Sing as you raise your bow, Ride on.
Shoot straighter than before
No comfort has the fire that night
That lights the face so cold.
Ohhh dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The magic runes are writ in gold
To bring the balance back. Bring it back.

At last the sun is shinin',
The clouds of blue roll by.
A-with flames from the dragon of darkness,
The sunlight blinds his eyes. Eyes.

Ah-ah-oh. Oooh-ooh-ooh.
Ahhh. Oooh.

Bring it back. Bring it back.
A-bring it back. Bring it back.
Bring it back. Bring it back.
Bring it back. Bring it back.

Oh now, oh now, oh now ahh.
Oh now, oh now, oh now.
Bring it back. Bring it back.
Bring it back. A-bring it back.

Whoah now, oh now, oh now ohh.
Whoah now, oh now, oh now.
Bring it, bring it, bring it, bring it,
Bring it, bring it, bring it,
Bring it, bring it, bring it,
Bring it, bring - ahhh.

Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 08:43 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is that you Murat?
Posted by: -----------<<<<- || 04/07/2003 9:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Sorry, Kiwi! Guess I should read more closely before I post! I just saw song lyrics and "70's" and made an assumption before reading more closely.

I apologize.
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Nah - definitely an AC/DC kinda war...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 10:11 Comments || Top||

#4  To hell with the Zep,I want THIS to play on the background while Baghdad falls:

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land

Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest

The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...fuck you

C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die

This is the end

(Lyrics and music by the Doors)
Posted by: El Id || 04/07/2003 10:25 Comments || Top||

#5  For the record, it's always an ACDC kinda war. I dunno why but US loudspeaker guys tend to always have the back in black album handy. I'm beginning to think that it's Issued or something.

Though metallica's "don't tread on me", Drowning pool's "bodies", and The Clash's "rocking the Casbah" are also popular for this conflict.

any other requests?

-DS
"the horns hold up the halo."
Posted by: DeviantSaint || 04/07/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||

#6  So sorry first post.....I doubled up...my bad...doh..Lots of love Kiwi
Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 9:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Kiwi...

What the hell is this?

Someone's had one too many bong hits today...
Posted by: mjh || 04/07/2003 9:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Gee, this makes it all so clear now. We should end the war and let Saddam back in power and apologize and hold hands and sing Kumbayah... That's truly the only way to bring peace to the world! Happy thoughts! Happy thoughts!

Thank you, Kiwi, it's all just crystal clear now!
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Led Zeppelin: Battle of Evermore - appropriate on the stereo, but not here....
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 9:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Is that you Murat?
Posted by: -----------<<<<- || 04/07/2003 9:24 Comments || Top||

#11  Wow didnt expect that......Dar Steckelberg I never meant for one minute to express the sentiments that you chose to express for me. This was actually a post in supoort of whats happening in the Middle East....if you could read again what I have posted (perchance to the music) then you may start to understand where the music/lyrics are coming from
Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 9:25 Comments || Top||

#12  If you like I could break it down fer ya all to understand?
Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 9:27 Comments || Top||

#13  Sorry, Kiwi! Guess I should read more closely before I post! I just saw song lyrics and "70's" and made an assumption before reading more closely.

I apologize.
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 9:32 Comments || Top||

#14  :) All good my friend.
Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 9:35 Comments || Top||

#15  Well,since its "all request" night here at the Rockin' Rantburg, I'd like to request Randy Newman's "Political Science" or the Kinks "Captain America".
Posted by: Frank Martin || 04/07/2003 9:45 Comments || Top||

#16  I nominate C.W. McCall's talkin' song of "Wolf Creek Pass" for Sammy's escape from Baghdad....
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 10:07 Comments || Top||

#17  Nah - definitely an AC/DC kinda war...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 10:11 Comments || Top||

#18  To hell with the Zep,I want THIS to play on the background while Baghdad falls:

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land

Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest

The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...fuck you

C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die

This is the end

(Lyrics and music by the Doors)
Posted by: El Id || 04/07/2003 10:25 Comments || Top||

#19  Don't bogart that joint, Kiwi.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 10:28 Comments || Top||

#20  The Doors.....I did think about it :)
Posted by: Kiwi || 04/07/2003 10:34 Comments || Top||

#21  For the record, it's always an ACDC kinda war. I dunno why but US loudspeaker guys tend to always have the back in black album handy. I'm beginning to think that it's Issued or something.

Though metallica's "don't tread on me", Drowning pool's "bodies", and The Clash's "rocking the Casbah" are also popular for this conflict.

any other requests?

-DS
"the horns hold up the halo."
Posted by: DeviantSaint || 04/07/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||

#22  I've heard that a lot fo the Cav troops are playing Kid Rock's "Amareican Badass" - AKA "Cowboy" (uncensored version).

Back In Black was always popular with the US Army Electronic Warfare units - they used it in Peacetime on practice Jamming missions. Heard it often enough when we trained against units with EW assets attached.

That and TNT.

Trivia Point: Rock the Casbah was the first song played on Armed Forces Network radio in GW 1 - they came on the air playing that.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 10:42 Comments || Top||

#23  DevSt: "Have a Drink On Me" followed by "Inject the Venom"...
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 12:09 Comments || Top||

#24  (big grin)

Whiskey, gin and brandy
With a glass I'm pretty handy
I'm trying to walk a straight line
On sour mash and cheap wine
So join me for a drink boys
We're gonna make a big noise

So don't worry about tomorrow
Take it today
Forget about the cheque
We'll get hell to pay

Have a drink on me
Have a drink on me
Yeah
Have a drink on me
Have a drink on me

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No mercy for the bad if they want it
No mercy for the bad if they plead
No mercy for the bad if they need it
No mercy from me

Tell no truth and tell no lies
Cross your heart and hope to die
Never give what you can't take back
Scratch like a cat
Inject your venom
It'll be your last attack

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/1346/acdc.html
Posted by: mojo || 04/07/2003 12:17 Comments || Top||

#25  I always thought Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction" was rather appropriate...
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 04/07/2003 15:28 Comments || Top||

#26  ...the soundtrack I always come back to for the WOT is the song from the "Sopranos"...

Posted by: Carl in NH || 04/07/2003 16:23 Comments || Top||

#27  Well, oddly enough Vietnam era music is very popular amongst most of the guys I served with, especially Credence Clearwater Revival. Odd when you think that soldiers would like anti-war music. :)

Personally, I listen to Industrial Music, which had kind of a surreal feeling to it when I was at Bagram airbase. I would sit outside my tent in the Psyop compound and with headphones on listening to VNV nation, while watching the flashes of (I think) artillery in the mountains to our north and the flight of the birds leaving to do Cas.

It's cold at night in Afghanistan, and the night sky there is so clear that I'll not soon forget those stars.

-DS
"the horns hold up the halo"
Posted by: DeviantSaint || 04/07/2003 16:31 Comments || Top||

#28  Lepanto

G. K. Chesterton

WHITE founts falling in the Courts of the sun,
And the Soldan of Byzantium is smiling as they run;
There is laughter like the fountains in that face of all men feared,
It stirs the forest darkness, the darkness of his beard;
It curls the blood-red crescent, the crescent of his lips;
For the inmost sea of all the earth is shaken with his ships.
They have dared the white republics up the capes of Italy,
They have dashed the Adriatic round the Lion of the Sea,
And the Pope has cast his arms abroad for agony and loss,
And called the kings of Christendom for swords about the Cross.
The cold queen of England is looking in the glass;
The shadow of the Valois is yawning at the Mass;
From evening isles fantastical rings faint the Spanish gun,
And the Lord upon the Golden Horn is laughing in the sun.

Dim drums throbbing, in the hills half heard,
Where only on a nameless throne a crownless prince has stirred,
Where, risen from a doubtful seat and half attainted stall,
The last knight of Europe takes weapons from the wall,
The last and lingering troubadour to whom the bird has sung,
That once went singing southward when all the world was young.
In that enormous silence, tiny and unafraid,
Comes up along a winding road the noise of the Crusade.
Strong gongs groaning as the guns boom far,
Don John of Austria is going to the war,
Stiff flags straining in the night-blasts cold
In the gloom black-purple, in the glint old-gold,
Torchlight crimson on the copper kettle-drums,
Then the tuckets, then the trumpets, then the cannon, and he comes.
Don John laughing in the brave beard curled,
Spurning of his stirrups like the thrones of all the world,
Holding his head up for a flag of all the free.
Love-light of Spain—hurrah!
Death-light of Africa!
Don John of Austria
Is riding to the sea.

Mahound is in his paradise above the evening star,
(Don John of Austria is going to the war.)
He moves a mighty turban on the timeless houri's knees,
His turban that is woven of the sunsets and the seas.
He shakes the peacock gardens as he rises from his ease,
And he strides among the tree-tops and is taller than the trees;
And his voice through all the garden is a thunder sent to bring
Black Azrael and Ariel and Ammon on the wing.
Giants and the Genii,
Multiplex of wing and eye,
Whose strong obedience broke the sky
When Solomon was king.

They rush in red and purple from the red clouds of the morn,
From the temples where the yellow gods shut up their eyes in scorn;
They rise in green robes roaring from the green hells of the sea
Where fallen skies and evil hues and eyeless creatures be,
On them the sea-valves cluster and the grey sea-forests curl,
Splashed with a splendid sickness, the sickness of the pearl;
They swell in sapphire smoke out of the blue cracks of the ground,—
They gather and they wonder and give worship to Mahound.
And he saith, "Break up the mountains where the hermit-folk can hide,
And sift the red and silver sands lest bone of saint abide,
And chase the Giaours flying night and day, not giving rest,
For that which was our trouble comes again out of the west.
We have set the seal of Solomon on all things under sun,
Of knowledge and of sorrow and endurance of things done.
But a noise is in the mountains, in the mountains, and I know
The voice that shook our palaces—four hundred years ago:
It is he that saith not 'Kismet'; it is he that knows not Fate;
It is Richard, it is Raymond, it is Godfrey at the gate!
It is he whose loss is laughter when he counts the wager worth,
Put down your feet upon him, that our peace be on the earth."
For he heard drums groaning and he heard guns jar,
(Don John of Austria is going to the war.)
Sudden and still—hurrah!
Bolt from Iberia!
Don John of Austria
Is gone by Alcalar.

St. Michaels on his Mountain in the sea-roads of the north
(Don John of Austria is girt and going forth.)
Where the grey seas glitter and the sharp tides shift
And the sea-folk labour and the red sails lift.
He shakes his lance of iron and he claps his wings of stone;
The noise is gone through Normandy; the noise is gone alone;
The North is full of tangled things and texts and aching eyes,
And dead is all the innocence of anger and surprise,
And Christian killeth Christian in a narrow dusty room,
And Christian dreadeth Christ that hath a newer face of doom,
And Christian hateth Mary that God kissed in Galilee,—
But Don John of Austria is riding to the sea.
Don John calling through the blast and the eclipse
Crying with the trumpet, with the trumpet of his lips,
Trumpet that sayeth ha!
Domino gloria!
Don John of Austria
Is shouting to the ships.

King Philip's in his closet with the Fleece about his neck
(Don John of Austria is armed upon the deck.)
The walls are hung with velvet that is black and soft as sin,
And little dwarfs creep out of it and little dwarfs creep in.
He holds a crystal phial that has colours like the moon,
He touches, and it tingles, and he trembles very soon,
And his face is as a fungus of a leprous white and grey
Like plants in the high houses that are shuttered from the day,
And death is in the phial and the end of noble work,
But Don John of Austria has fired upon the Turk.
Don John's hunting, and his hounds have bayed—
Booms away past Italy the rumour of his raid.
Gun upon gun, ha! ha!
Gun upon gun, hurrah!
Don John of Austria
Has loosed the cannonade.

The Pope was in his chapel before day or battle broke,
(Don John of Austria is hidden in the smoke.)
The hidden room in man's house where God sits all the year,
The secret window whence the world looks small and very dear.
He sees as in a mirror on the monstrous twilight sea
The crescent of his cruel ships whose name is mystery;
They fling great shadows foe-wards, making Cross and Castle dark,
They veil the plumèd lions on the galleys of St. Mark;
And above the ships are palaces of brown, black-bearded chiefs,
And below the ships are prisons, where with multitudinous griefs,
Christian captives sick and sunless, all a labouring race repines
Like a race in sunken cities, like a nation in the mines.
They are lost like slaves that sweat, and in the skies of morning hung
The stair-ways of the tallest gods when tyranny was young.
They are countless, voiceless, hopeless as those fallen or fleeing on
Before the high Kings' horses in the granite of Babylon.
And many a one grows witless in his quiet room in hell
Where a yellow face looks inward through the lattice of his cell,
And he finds his God forgotten, and he seeks no more a sign—
(But Don John of Austria has burst the battle-line!)
Don John pounding from the slaughter-painted poop,
Purpling all the ocean like a bloody pirate's sloop,
Scarlet running over on the silvers and the golds,
Breaking of the hatches up and bursting of the holds,
Thronging of the thousands up that labour under sea
White for bliss and blind for sun and stunned for liberty.

Vivat Hispania!
Domino Gloria!
Don John of Austria
Has set his people free!

Cervantes on his galley sets the sword back in the sheath
(Don John of Austria rides homeward with a wreath.)
And he sees across a weary land a straggling road in Spain,
Up which a lean and foolish knight for ever rides in vain,
And he smiles, but not as Sultans smile, and settles back the blade....
(But Don John of Austria rides home from the Crusade.)
Posted by: redclay || 04/07/2003 19:19 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Marwan on trial
The trial of Marwan Barghouti, the highest-ranking Palestinian political leader in Israeli custody, opened yesterday in a Tel Aviv court with Barghouti refusing to contest the murder charges against him and flashing V-signs at friends. Barghouti is accused of complicity in attacks by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement in which 26 Israelis were killed.
Poor Marwan. On trial, and everybody's looking at something else and somebody else got to be prime minister. He must feel so... insignificant.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 03:07 pm || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Coulda been a big shot, coulda been a contender... instead of a bum, which is what he is.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:42 Comments || Top||

#2  typical Paleo - he's jugged for murder by Jeewwwwwws Zionist Pigs, will likely spend a decade or two in their clink, and is flashing the "victory" sign.....f&%kwits
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 18:41 Comments || Top||


Arabs Appalled by U.S. Troops in Baghdad
Arabs throughout the Middle East reacted with dismay and disbelief Monday to television images of U.S. tanks rolling through the heart of Baghdad, and some rushed to sign up for a holy war against the U.S.-led forces. Others were just saddened by the ease with which U.S. troops entered the Iraqi capital. Few Arabs believed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime could hold out indefinitely against an allied onslaught, but many had expected Baghdad to put up a bloody fight.
So much for that idea...
Over a breakfast of croissant and coffee at a cafe, Saudi accounting instructor Haitham al-Bawardi said he was having a hard time believing the reports. "How can we know this is for real and not just coalition propaganda?" the 30-year-old said. "We had hoped Saddam would inflict as many casualties on the invaders as possible to teach them a lesson and make them think twice before striking another Arab country."
"Instead, we discover that Iraq was just a house of cards, just like most other Arab countries!"
In Cairo, Egypt, the news made some more determined to join the fight in a jihad, or holy war, alongside the Iraqis. The Lawyers' Syndicate, known for organizing people to join the war in Iraq, began filling up with volunteers shortly after the news was broadcast. "As Arabs, we cannot see this and not move," said a man in his early 30s who would not give his name for fear of government retribution. "We are selling ourselves for a higher cost, for God, not for Saddam."
"I mean, there's gotta be something in this world more important than just me, right?"
Another volunteer, Abdelfattah, 41, a worker in a regional city council, said the reports were "all lies."
Yes. Lies! All lies!
"It is a psychological war," said Abdelfattah. "If it is true, then it is only a military strategy, to lure the American forces into a trap."
Yup. That must be it. The Iraqi army's hiding in the bushes, and as soon's our collective back is turned, they're going to jump out and grab us all...
Abdelfattah insisted that "Saddam himself will fight until the very end. ... He will remain standing until he dies while fighting for Iraq."
That's his privilege. My bet is that he runs away at the last minute...
Amjad Mohammed, a 23-year-old Syrian hairdresser, said he felt "very sad."
I'm very sad to hear that a 23-year-old Syrian hairdresser feels "very sad." I'm also trying to figure why the opinion of a 23-year-old Syrian hairdresser counts for a hill of beans except to his customers...
"The Americans can never stay in Baghdad," Mohammed said. "Baghdad is noble Arab land."
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 01:03 pm || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The best thing that can happen is for these clowns to get pelted and assaulted by free Iraqis when they try to cross into Iraq. Let the people who've suffered under Saddam for three decades tell these morons just how they feel about their ignorant jihad to put him back in power.

Failing that, they can just get gunned down like the rest of Saddam's filth.
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 13:27 Comments || Top||

#2  ""The Americans can never stay in Baghdad," Mohammed said. "Baghdad is noble Arab land.""


No. Baghdad is noble IRAQI land!!! Saddam, despite some pseuso-Mesopotamian propaganda, remianed, true to Baathis ideology, an Arab nationalist, not an Iraqi nationalist, putting pan-arab goals ahead of the welfare of the Iraqi people. The iraqi people, in welcoming coalition forces, are showing that THEY are putting Iraq FIRST, and are turning from pan-Arabism, which has been a disaster for them even more than for the rest of the Arab world. The rest of the arab world, still mired in pan-Arabism, senses this "betrayal" and is outraged by it.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:40 Comments || Top||

#3  The fatalistic foaming-at-the-mouth Arabs mobs have nothing to complain about. If Allah didn't want Iraq to get spanked it wouldn't be happening.

They thought the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia was Allah's retribution for America's misdeeds. Considering that there isn't an Arab country that can make so much as a bicycle without foreign help -- let alone a spacecraft -- they should be asking themselves why Allah is punishing them instead of worrying about what America is doing to 'noble Arab land.' Idiots all.
Posted by: Ned || 04/07/2003 13:47 Comments || Top||

#4  The best thing that can happen is for these clowns to get pelted and assaulted by free Iraqis when they try to cross into Iraq. Let the people who've suffered under Saddam for three decades tell these morons just how they feel about their ignorant jihad to put him back in power.

Failing that, they can just get gunned down like the rest of Saddam's filth.
Posted by: Dar Steckelberg || 04/07/2003 13:27 Comments || Top||

#5  ""The Americans can never stay in Baghdad," Mohammed said. "Baghdad is noble Arab land.""


No. Baghdad is noble IRAQI land!!! Saddam, despite some pseuso-Mesopotamian propaganda, remianed, true to Baathis ideology, an Arab nationalist, not an Iraqi nationalist, putting pan-arab goals ahead of the welfare of the Iraqi people. The iraqi people, in welcoming coalition forces, are showing that THEY are putting Iraq FIRST, and are turning from pan-Arabism, which has been a disaster for them even more than for the rest of the Arab world. The rest of the arab world, still mired in pan-Arabism, senses this "betrayal" and is outraged by it.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:40 Comments || Top||

#6  The fatalistic foaming-at-the-mouth Arabs mobs have nothing to complain about. If Allah didn't want Iraq to get spanked it wouldn't be happening.

They thought the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia was Allah's retribution for America's misdeeds. Considering that there isn't an Arab country that can make so much as a bicycle without foreign help -- let alone a spacecraft -- they should be asking themselves why Allah is punishing them instead of worrying about what America is doing to 'noble Arab land.' Idiots all.
Posted by: Ned || 04/07/2003 13:47 Comments || Top||

#7  Darned good point.

Instead of screaming about us, those arab folk really ought to be asking theselves why Allah hates them.
Posted by: Michael || 04/07/2003 14:00 Comments || Top||

#8  Actually, they should be asking themselves if the Koran is valid at all if Muslims are losing wars. After all, Mohammed claimed divine status which was confirmed by victories in the battlefield.

Arabs lose => Koran False.
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:15 Comments || Top||

#9  They only buy that "allah's will" stuff when it suits 'em. And interpreting "allah's will" for the great unwashed is a real cozy gig for the clerics, ain't it?
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 14:26 Comments || Top||

#10  Cut 'em a break. They've deluded themselves and each other for so long that reality is a shock. As we've seen, it's getting harder and harder for Ministers of Disinformation to spin their stories -- the translators are starting to laugh too loud.
Posted by: Tom || 04/07/2003 14:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Why are "Arabs throughout the middle east" upset. According to the Iraqi Information Ministry we are being soundly defeated and are not near to Bahgdad. Which way is it.. I don't think you can have it both ways
Posted by: Chuck || 04/07/2003 15:18 Comments || Top||

#12  Of course, Arabs are upset about a non-Muslim state that is conquering a Muslim junk state. Most are Muslims, and believe that their tribal god entity has given them the right to administer his "sovereignty" over the entire world. Not only do this pieces of demographic inertia claim Iraq, they also claim other re-conquered lands, such as Spain (which they call: "Andalusia"). The Arabs have been knocked down another notch, but now they need to be put down further. I would start with liquidating HAMAS, Hezbollah, al-Jihad, Ikhwan Musulum, etc from Arab-Palestine territory, which includes parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. It's time to do some more killing.
Posted by: Anonon || 04/07/2003 15:24 Comments || Top||

#13  Arabs have the biggest inferiority complexes on the planet. Their countries suck and they are stuck in the 13th century. That's why we see all this silly posturing. "let's do a jihad!"

(On second thought, after seeing those M1s rolling in Bahgdad)

"Let's have some tea and cigarettes."
Posted by: Jonesy || 04/07/2003 15:45 Comments || Top||

#14  The big problem here is that the Arab-Wahabbi-Muslim society is a failed and destructive culture with no features worthy of redeeming it.

The religious emphasis on top-down command from the Imamans to the peasants, echoed in the stong-man governments, is fatally weak. Also the bigoted and violent words in the Koran have given the radicals "cover" to execute inhuman and unjust actions agains their own people and people of the world, especially those with different beleifs. This broken ideaology bans competitors becuase it cannot withstand the competition in the free market of ideas.

Wahabbi Islam is a scourge that is now discredited, and should be swept from the world, along with the fatwa issuing clerics who drive its rabidly xenophobic terroristic ways into the core of their culture.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 15:59 Comments || Top||

#15  Why that means it's possible that someday they could roll through Damascus. Or Teheran. Or Tripoli. Or Cairo. Or Beirut. Or Ramallah. Or the Bekka Valley.
Paying attention "Arab Street"? Good...
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:01 Comments || Top||

#16  I hope it's not lost on their perceptive Arab minds that we not only stomped Saddam with but a fraction of our forces, we also did it with one hand tied intentionally behind our backs: we've been absolutely obsessive about avoiding civilian casualties and it has cost us time, money, and soldiers' lives.

As "dismayed" as they might be about the Iraqi regime's quick destruction, they ought to ponder just how horrible the consequences will be if they manage to REALLY piss us off.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/07/2003 16:18 Comments || Top||


Iran
Clerics protest sacrilegious acts by coalition forces
Iranian clergymen and theological students on Monday voiced protests to what they called "sacrilegious invasions of holy sites in Iraq by coalition forces." About 50 clerics on Monday staged a half an hour sit-in in front of the UK embassy in Tehran, shouting "Death to UK" and "Death to US" and setting paper flag of Britain ablaze in protest to the ongoing war in Iraq.
Guys? Look, this is not a good time to go making faces and burning paper flags. Take my word for it...
According to sources close to residents of Karbala and Najaf, west of Iraq, the cities are now calm and people lead normal life and pay regular visit to holy sanctuaries.
So what's yer beef?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:57 am || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Iranian clergymen don't like the "sacrilegious invasions" of democracy to there next door neighbors. They know Iranian youth, 60% of the population just "want their MTV..."
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/07/2003 12:05 Comments || Top||

#2  For the first time in 15 years, for the last several days the traditional call to prayer has been sounding from one of the Iraqi mosques courtesy of the US. The Iranians strongly object to infidels promoting the peaceful practice of their religion, and prefer home-grown "Muslim" dicators to interfere with it.
Posted by: Tresho || 04/07/2003 16:31 Comments || Top||

#3  "Death to UK" and "Death to US"
One of these days, someone will take these chants and slogans seriously and call them on it. It might even be Allah himself.
Posted by: RW || 04/07/2003 22:05 Comments || Top||


US can't attack Iran: Pak expert
A Pakistani analyst and former Director General of Radio Pakistan on Monday ruled out any possibility of American attack on Iran.
"Nope. Nope. Can't happen. Nope."
In an interview with "IRNA" here, Mohammad Abbas vehemently declared that the US would never commit grave mistake to mount military action on Iran. Iran, in no way, he contended, could be compared with Iraq and the Americans knew this very fact very well, while rejecting US allegations against Tehran. Paying tributes to the Iranian people, he said that since the Islamic Revolution, Iranians had proved any aggressor no matter how strong that might be, could not subdue them.
Ummm... All they were able to do with the Iraqis was fight them to a draw over the course of eight years. We're almost done beating the crap out of them, in a little over two weeks.
"The US has been hatching conspiracies in the wake of great late Iranian leader Imam Khomeni and his people's decision to cut off links with Washington for its unjust barbaric policies," he said.
Paul! Are those conspiracies hatched yet?
He pointed out the Iranians had successfully defended their country against the eight-year aggression, imposed by Iraq and backed by all the leading powers, including the US. Mohammad Abbas maintained that on the advice of America, Saddam Hussain had attacked Iran. "This was Saddam, who killed thousands of people by exposing them to chemical and biological weapons and these were supplied by the US and other Western nations," he contended.
Yep. It was all our fault. I confess — I dunnit!
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:54 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well the truth of the situation is that we aren't going to go after Iran, not just yet anyway. Getting this campaign to get off the ground was like pulling teeth, and this is going to be a mess to deal with for a while. We're still in afghnistan, and now we are going to be occupying Iraq for a while. We were already experiencing a bit of a man power crunch because of that so, I don't foresee marching on Tehran anytime soon.

-DS
"the horns hold up the halo"
Posted by: DeviantSaint || 04/07/2003 12:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I think I'm going to start a collection of Pak "experts." I have no idea what their field of expertise is - it pretty uniformly doesn't seem to be international affairs.
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 12:05 Comments || Top||

#3  I recall comments from some "expert" that once Iraq was in the bag pressure would be brought to bear on Iran via diplomacy and espionage. Apparently the UK has the contacts and leverage in the country to make this tact effective. After Iran then we go for the trifecta and tell China to defecate or dismount the commode in regards to N Korea.
Posted by: Domingo || 04/07/2003 12:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Nope, no war in Iran but I would have liked to see a handful of cruisemissiles smack some targets in Iran "by accident". Targets like the nuclear facility they've been building.
Posted by: Yank || 04/07/2003 12:43 Comments || Top||

#5  With Iraq in the bag, I think the "unwashed masses" in Iran may be able to do the job themselves, with a little "liberated" equipment silently slipped across the border. The average Persian is not happy with the Imams. They're also unhappy with the "trash" making its way across the border from both Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iraq.

The Shah gave the people just enough taste of freedom for it to take slow root in the soil of Iran. The hypersensitivity of the Mullahs made just about everyone mad. I don't think we'll HAVE to invade Iran - the people themselves will force a "change of government". Hopefully, whatever results will be more in line with free expression, and less an autocratic orthodoxy.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 13:03 Comments || Top||

#6  The whole area will be just slightly different with a U.S. surrogate smack dab in the middle. Like having Israel there, except huge and Muslim.
Knock, knock. Who's there ? U.S. ally next door.
You know, the one you protested against liberating ?
Posted by: Dixie Normus || 04/07/2003 13:31 Comments || Top||

#7  A lot of folks in the power structure of Pakistan support Islamism in its various forms, Pakistan has atomic weapons, any revolt there-even if unsuccessful-could negate our success in Iraq, Pakistan worries me.
Posted by: Rifle308 || 04/07/2003 14:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Old Patriot,
I'm very hopeful too. This little action is sending more than a subtle sign to the region.
Maybe, just maybe some of these other islamocrats will be persuaded to alter their outlook without the need for direct action?

Rifle- Pakistan worries me as well. I do think that between us and India, the Paki nukes would be gone and soon, if a fundi faction takes hold.
Yes, that means I would be in favor of a pre-emptive strike.
Posted by: Craig || 04/07/2003 15:39 Comments || Top||

#9  its unjust barbaric policies," he said.

I guess if anyone would know about barbarism...
Posted by: Celissa || 04/07/2003 15:55 Comments || Top||

#10  Iran, in no way, he contended, could be compared with Iraq...

Yeah, they might cave even faster.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 16:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Quote of the Day from James Lileks
The Americans will never fight a ground war! But there they are, on the ground, more methodical and efficient than one could have ever imagined, and they are losing one soldier for every 1000 Iraqis they kill. The combination of training, technology, dedication and lethality is worse than the Arab world could have possibly imagined - and the soldiers' primary motivation is getting the job done well so everyone can go home. Imagine what they would do if they were truly, deeply pissed.
The lesson of Mogadishu: don’t draw any lessons from Mogadishu.
Read the whole thing, but you knew that.
Posted by: Steve || 04/07/2003 11:31 am || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The 1 to 1000 ratio is still too close as far as I'm concerned. Each of our guys has proven to be worth at least ten times that (except the the grenade tossing shmuck in the 101st airborne, natch)

Another lesson from Mogadishu: Elect a leadership which draws it's support and direction from a backbone, and doesn't run away at the first sign of adversity.
Posted by: Ken || 04/07/2003 11:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I am amazed how many reporters became experts on the military from watching "Blackhawk Down". It seems like... all of them.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 12:20 Comments || Top||

#3  In all fairness to Clinton, this was a changed county after 9/11.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 13:08 Comments || Top||

#4  before 9/11 and after: Bush leads, Clinton polls
Posted by: Frank G || 04/07/2003 13:12 Comments || Top||

#5  before 9/11 Bush was for a foreign policy of "humility", was against "nation-building", was for "smart sanctions" and generally was in bed with the Saudis. You seem to be getting Dubya mixed up with McCain.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/07/2003 14:00 Comments || Top||

#6  After seeing reports and images of our fighting troops in theatre, I am immensely proud of our country at the great equipment, tremendous coordination, planning, logistics, technology, and totally professional dedication of the troops. We spend fortunes and get the best brains to develop equipment and systems that give our forces the edge and to protect their lives so we can minimize casualties.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 14:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Re: 1:1000 ratios, take out the friendly fire numbers and it looks even better.

Or as one local talk show caller put it, one has-been 80's rock band killed more Americans than the Iraqi military has been able to, so far.
Posted by: Mark IV || 04/07/2003 15:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Its an old equation, one I've often stated (naming it after the guy I heard it from: WCollier):

Collier's Law of War:

You pay for war in blood, time and money. The more of one of those you use, the less you need of the other two.

Fortunately for the US, we are a rich nation.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 16:11 Comments || Top||

#9  ...and a patient nation. Our money, our time, their blood. Works for me.
Posted by: Nick || 04/07/2003 19:42 Comments || Top||


Volleyball: Axis of Evil whips Axis of Evil 3-0
Defending champion Iran took its first step firmly as it demolished North Korea in the 4th Asian Juniors Volleyball Championships here on Sunday. Playing in Rajiv Gandhi Hall, Vishahkapatnam, the Iranian team powered by Mohammad Soleimani and Behzad Beh-Nejad handed the Korean side a 3-0 romp. Iran won the match in three consecutive sets 25-19, 25-18, 25-15 respectively.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 04/07/2003 11:19 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yay! Hooray! Hoooooray!........Now can we go home now? Just goes to show that you can't run a volleyball team on treebark, grass, water, and armed forces-based policy.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 13:43 Comments || Top||

#2  But, but, but, but the NKors have JUCHE!
Posted by: Craig || 04/07/2003 14:50 Comments || Top||

#3  The NKors have juche, but the Iranians have fatwas! Allahu akbar!
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 15:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Now if Kimmie was there and suited up, it would have been 3-0 NK's by scores of 25-0, 25-0, 25-0.
And Dear Leader wouldn't even had needed team mates.And I'd read about it in KCNA Sports
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 15:19 Comments || Top||

#5  The NKors may have Juche, but they need to seriously rethink their Volleyball Based Policy.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 04/07/2003 18:13 Comments || Top||

#6  I wonder if the N. Korean athletes have someone like Uday Hussein to torture them when they get home for their disappointing performance?
Posted by: Tokyo Taro || 04/07/2003 18:42 Comments || Top||


Korea
Japan’s reinvasion hysteria assailed
Anti-Japanese guy hasn't gone on vacation yet. Maybe that's why he's all pissy...
The director general of Japan's Defence Agency recently said that if North Korea contemplates launching missiles over Japan, it will be not unconstitutional for Japan to make a preemptive attack on the launching site. Earlier, he told the security committee of the House of Representatives of Japan, clamoring for "missile threat" from the DPRK, that it is worth examining the "self-defence forces'" possible possession of capability to attack any other country's military base. Commenting on this assertion, Rodong Sinmun today says in a signed commentary:
The Japanese reactionaries are vociferous that Japan's security is threatened by the DPRK right now. But it is no more than a trick to find a pretext for Japan's reinvasion. Japan talked about "exclusive defence" in the past, but is now calling for legalization of preemptive attacks. This shows what dangerous phase its reinvasion hysteria has reached.
So invades first? Them, us, or the South Koreans?

Japanese officials are free to let loose very provocative outbursts that Japan may have a war with North Korea and Japan should make a preemptive attack on North Korea even with the help of the U.S. before the former is turned into a sea of fire.
Yeah! There it is! Sea of FIRE!!!

All the facts evidently tell that the Japanese reactionaries are keen to stage a comeback to Korea with the U.S. Iraqi war as an occasion. It is as clear as noonday what consequences Japan's reckless actions will produce. If Japan takes the road of reinvasion, dancing to the tune of the U.S. as it is doing so, its security cannot be guaranteed. Japan will get itself into a big trouble beyond imagination, if it acts like a puppy knowing no fear of the tiger.
These guys must get Kung Fu reruns on Pyongyang cable.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/07/2003 10:03 am || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cripes, I hope we shut these people up soon.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/07/2003 10:45 Comments || Top||

#2  These guys are trying as hard as they can to stir somethign up with somebody - I think they cannot stand being ignored.

Ok Kim, you just keep thwaking that hornets nest...
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/07/2003 10:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Cripes, I hope we shut these people up soon.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/07/2003 10:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Remember the words Yamamoto was supposed to have said after Pearl Harbor? "I am afraid we have awakened a sleeping dragon, and filled it with a terrible resolve." I think North Korea is doing the same thing with Japan. If it is, the stupidity quotient is out of sight. The Japanese are finally discussing rebuilding and modernizing its national defense infrastructure to where they can protect themselves. Their economy may be "flat", but they have an industrial capability that is 100 times what North Korea can even try to put forth. Not to mention some ten times the population, and an education system that turns out some absolutely brilliant minds. I don't think China or Russia are going to be terribly pleased by Kim stirring up the Japanese and giving them something to unite around.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/07/2003 12:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Gearing up for military production will also throw some juice into their economy.

I don't know what NKor tactics are like, but their strategy sucks.
Posted by: Fred || 04/07/2003 13:23 Comments || Top||

#6  7.6
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:10 Comments || Top||

#7  The barking doggie better quiet down before somebody picks up a rock. China better quiet the doggie down soon for the doggie's sake.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 14:45 Comments || Top||

#8  "Japanese officials are free to let loose very provocative outbursts that Japan may have a war with North Korea and Japan should make a preemptive attack on North Korea even with the help of the U.S. before the former is turned into a sea of fire."

Ok, so I'm confused....who gets turned into a sea of fire? North Korea, Japan or the US? And is that before or after the puppy gets eaten by the tiger? (Quick, alert PETA!!)

This guy needs to frolic with the rainbows on Mt Paektu to rest and recharge......
Posted by: Former Russian Major || 04/07/2003 15:51 Comments || Top||


U.S. termed worst rogue state
They're in a bad mood in the DPKR today. I could probably post every item in KCNA. Maybe more later.
The United States started the Iraqi war, once again laying bare the despicable true colours of the U.S. imperialists who have indulged in all wrong doings, ignoring the UN and violating international law. Rodong Sinmun today says this in a signed article. It continues:
...and Rodung is pissed!
The U.S. is going to use more than 300 types of ultra-modern weapons in the Iraqi war and has already used the "massive, ordinance, air blast (MOA)" bomb.
...and don't forget that Rodung. Has Kimmie ordered up another palace down a couple of hundred feet deeper?

This is hideous war crimes, crimes against humanity as they diametrically run counter to all international laws and regulations and the humanitarian principles of Red Cross including the 1949 Geneva convention on protecting civilians in wartime, the international convention on prevention and punishment of massacre and the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. In order to impose its will upon the world the bush administration is perpetrating deliberate military attacks on other countries to infringe upon their sovereignty in violation of international law, projecting the U.S. government as a world government standing above the un.
Towel, Rodung?

The U.S. is, therefore, indifferent to the UN Charter and resolutions, international law and norms governing the international relations.
...or is that us? Rodung appears confused.

The U.S. imperialists have become so arrogant as to contemplate the second Korean war after the Iraqi war. There is no other imperialism of brigandish and roguish nature on earth than U.S. imperialism. The world people should deal blows at the U.S. through their united actions and make positive efforts to realize the democratization of the international community including the UN.

A little worried there Rodung? Well it appears Anti- American guy is back from vaykay,is all rested up and in good form.
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#1  I'm beginning to suspect that Barbara Stresisand is really just Kimmy in evil drag. You gotta admit the eerie similarity. Both busily sitting at their desks, frantically penning this drivel, day after day.

Magic Mirror on the Wall..... Pay attention to me! I am soooooo important!
Posted by: becky || 04/07/2003 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  8.4
Posted by: Ptah || 04/07/2003 14:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like somebody has explained to Kimmie what a "decaptitation strike" is. "They what?!!"
Posted by: Matt || 04/07/2003 14:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Hey, doggie, want a d-con burger?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/07/2003 14:47 Comments || Top||

#5  North Korea is hereby renamed:

Democratic Peoples Republic of the Run-On Sentence

Silly little people.
Posted by: Jonesy || 04/07/2003 16:48 Comments || Top||

#6  You know, the amazing thing is that - as a nation - our committment to making war is still essentially half-assed. Who, honestly, could stop us (without nuking the planet?) if we - as a nation - decided to be exactly the imperialists we are accused of being?
Posted by: Anonymous || 04/07/2003 18:09 Comments || Top||


Iran
Iran sees no reason to intervene in SAIRI, Badr Corps affairs
Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi here on Monday said that the Supreme Assembly of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq (SAIRI) and the Badr Corps are Iraqi bodies and have nothing to do with the Islamic Republic of Iran. The two institutions perform according to their decisions, he told reporters, adding that the Islamic Republic sees no reason to interfere in their attitude and policies.
OK, then I guess you'll have no objection if we blow the hell out of them when they get in the way.
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