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Good morning
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [274 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Back to the Future
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/29/2008 2:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Holy toledo! We got legs. Thanks, Fred.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 11/29/2008 9:23 Comments || Top||

#3  It's Der Tag yawz.....

Before there was Fred, there was Bill who lerned me about snarks, and deh proper use of the English Language. Sadly it is no take. Gater's still gaters, no cap for U!


lf2
And yes Fenner is in bounds....

lf1

You gonna listen to Ted Mosley of SEC or your lyin damn eyes?


Grudges, Ima carry some of dem. Not all, a few.




Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 9:45 Comments || Top||

#4 
Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 14:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Damn, I'm have good GaterHate going, been yearz.....

Johnson!
Fetch the Dynamite!
Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 14:47 Comments || Top||

#6  Ima go steal they horses while they're a playing.

Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 14:49 Comments || Top||

#7  Taker the 'noles Ima talker to old ijuns....

Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 14:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Ima call whoopsie....

Here.....
Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 15:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Bastids at 'em Gater Side America is try to steal mai ju ju.... NO!

Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 15:01 Comments || Top||

#10  There that better. Thank yo0u for zoo keeperz at Road side America and you snack bar of finnery.
Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 15:02 Comments || Top||

#11  Maybe the semi-noles will be full Noles someday, but not today. Muh Auburn Tractor University Tiges are doin OK defense-wise but no offense. That bastid Sabincalled a time-out at the last second an a 40 yard field goal was negated and then blocked when tried again. Weinerhead.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/29/2008 17:33 Comments || Top||


-Lurid Crime Tales-
Blackwater gunboats will protect ships--Brits EOS & APMSS are pacifist
I've been criticized for stating that the guards 'ran away'...I'd love some commentary from other RB-ers on the topic, since the original thread switched over. I don't appreciate being called names for my opinion.
By the way, Anti Piracy Maritime Security Solutions is 'non-lethal' & unarmed.

The American security company Blackwater is planning to cash in on the rising threat of piracy on the high seas by launching a flotilla of gunboats for hire by the shipping companies. The firm, which gained international notoriety when its staff killed civilians in Iraq, has already equipped one vessel, called The McArthur, which will carry up to 40 armed guards and have a landing pad for an attack helicopter.

The McArthur, a former survey ship, arrives in the Gulf of Aden, the scene of the recent high-profile hijackings and shootouts with Somali pirates, at the end of the year. It is to be joined by three or four similar vessels over next year to form the company's private navy.

Several security companies are rushing to the region despite the presence of British, American, Russian and Indian naval warships, among others, sent to protect ships. For fees ranging from £8,000 to £12,000 for transits of three and five days, companies are offering teams of unarmed guards, "non-lethal deck security personnel". With more than 60 ships attacked in the Gulf and ship-owners paying an estimated £75m in ransom for the return of crew and cargo, the security companies foresee a lucrative business.

One US company, Hollowpoint Protective Services, says it is offering a comprehensive service of hostage negotiations backed by armed rescue operations if the talks fail. Eos, a British concern, says it favours a "non-lethal" approach with the use of sophisticated laser, microwave and acoustical devices. But Blackwater plans to have the largest and most heavily armed presence among the security contractors. The company believes that the presence of escorting gunboats will have a deterrent effect, with criminal gangs being forced to switch to more vulnerable targets.

A Blackwater spokeswoman, Anne Tyrrell, said there have already been about 15 inquiries about its anti-piracy service. The company refused to reveal how much it will charge. Its executive vice-president, Bill Matthews, said the US Navy and the Royal Navy do not have the resources in the region to provide total security, opening up a role for companies such as his. He added: "While there are temporary needs that perhaps outpace the limited resources of the Department of Defence [Washington] and the Ministry of Defence [London], the private sector is available to fill those gaps.

"We have been contacted by ship-owners who say they need our help in making sure goods get to their destination. The McArthur can help us accomplish that. We have not sought to enter the space until recently. It was not part of our business plan. But as the world changes, so does our business plan."

Nick Davis, a former British Army pilot who runs a company in Poole called Anti-Piracy Maritime Security Solutions, said: "It frightens me that Blackwater is going down there. Their background is not in deterrence. Their background is in weapons. To me, the best people to be armed are the military. Pirates might approach McArthur without knowing it's a Blackwater boat and try to hijack it."
Awww...wouldn't that just be the pits
Nick needs to get his testicles out of long-term storage ...
Chris Austen, chief executive of Maritime & Underwater Security Consultants, in London, said ship-owners should be cautious about armed guards. "There are some flags that prohibit the carriage of arms or the use of violence. There are some insurers that will not accept it, and your insurance will be void."
Posted by: logi_cal || 11/29/2008 12:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [393 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Such a rich article, yet to pick out a single phrase - let's try this Orwellian specimen:

"non-lethal deck security personnel"

That would fit neatly into the essay on Politics and the English Language.
Posted by: Jeremiah Thaise1218 || 11/29/2008 14:43 Comments || Top||

#2  So the primary purpose of the non-Blackwater security personnel is to collect urine samples for random drug tests to satisfy some insurance bureaucrat?
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/29/2008 14:55 Comments || Top||

#3  "Eos, a British concern, says it favours a "non-lethal" approach with the use of sophisticated laser, microwave and acoustical devices."

Now that that's been proven not to work these guys should certainly be provided with lethal weapons where it's safe to employ them. Vessels carrying explosive cargoes should be escorted, no question.

You can't say the British guards on the vessel hijacked the other day didn't give it their best try if this is accurate:

"Mr Davis defended the actions of his team. He said they had been attacked by six pirates in a high-speed skiff armed with AK47s and rocket-propelled grenades.

He said the two former marines and a former paratroop held them off for about 40 minutes – long enough for the crew to send out a distress call and seek safety below deck.

They fired water cannon at the pirates and zigzagged the vessel. They also used a long-range accoustic device that fires laser-like beams of excruciatingly painful sound at attackers. They beat off three or four attacks but the pirates then began firing RPGs at the laser operator. Mr Davis said the pirates continued to shoot at the security guards after boarding the ship and that the three had no choice but to abandon the vessel.

The pirates then fired on them while they were in the water, and tried to run them down in the hijacked vessel. “They did what they felt they had to do to save their lives and the lives of the crew,” said Mr Davis, 37."


After coming under RPG attack, shortly to be followed by small arms, do you think the wise option would have been to stay on board, unarmed? Most ships give up without a fight and it wouldn't be heroic to stand around waiting to see what sort of mood the pirates were in once on board. It would be plain stupid.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 14:56 Comments || Top||

#4  I have a feeling that a lot of the navies present are going to see the Blackwater men in operation, and turn several shades of green with envy. Nobody appreciates being ordered to hold their fire when they see villains at work.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/29/2008 14:59 Comments || Top||

#5  This is folly! So the nice, non-lethal approach failed, then what? Abandon ship - speaks a lot for "you're a peon" defense mindset. You need the carrot and the stick - if you must, non-lethal to try and prevent a boarding (I think warning shots are non-lethal enough), but once aboard, or following the first shots, then it should be back to old school. Had they killed or wounded a few of these pirates, they could still have jumped overboard, and the pirates would still have shot at them and tried to run them down, so the non-lethal track had no effect whatsoever on the outcome - delayed their swim maybe - I'll bet the zig-zagging alone could have done that.
Posted by: Rob06 || 11/29/2008 15:12 Comments || Top||

#6  In response to your query yesterday, logi_cal:

Hey, Bulldog, you POS, name me one scenario in the past 10 years were the British demonstrated something other than:
Getting caught with their pants down & captured by Iran.
Getting their asses kicked in Basra and turning tail & pulling out.
Having no balls to give their troops decent ROE in Afghanistan.


One instance? Try this. That's score 3 Somali pirates to the Royal Navy. I haven't seen any kills to the USN yet, although the Faina has been shadowed by US ships for weeks now. So clearly the UK military aren't the only ones to be found embarrassingly without 'decent ROE'.

I could list a few of the British kills in Afghanistan but why should I? I suggest you educate yourself.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 15:17 Comments || Top||

#7  I think Blackwater are on to something - private convoy protection.

The current naval forces are symbolic and largely impotent in preventing piracy, in part because international law is a serious impediment to real action. I'm sure Blackwater will feel less constrained.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/29/2008 16:51 Comments || Top||

#8  My 2c worth; Non-lethal anti-piracy measures have got an entirely undeserved reputation for being effective (Piracy declined in Asia for entirely unrelated reasons). We are now seeing they are useless, at least against determined pirates.

Nick Davies should be a very worried man. He is seeing his business (model) going down the gurgler, because it doesn't work.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/29/2008 16:58 Comments || Top||

#9  Pirates respect the strong use of force. They don't respect feelings. Therefore, the appropriate response to the pirate's attacks is the concentrated use of force, for example, India's recent response to being fired upon by a pirate mothership.

The frustrating thing is that this whole thing can be over with in a week with the appropriate response.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/29/2008 16:59 Comments || Top||

#10  That tells you how screwed up Intl Law is that a private concern is less constrained than a state.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/29/2008 17:06 Comments || Top||

#11  Huh? Aiming a speaker at pirates doesn't stop them?
Posted by: Mike N. || 11/29/2008 17:24 Comments || Top||

#12  It's fascinating watching time after time humans erecting another Ptolemaic design of the universe to satisfy their inner needs rather than address the issue. We have thousands of years of history in how to deal with pirates, but we ignore the record and data because of the fundamental failure of human will. To paraphrase Napoleon, it is better to have a lion leading an army of deer than have a deer leading an army of lions.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/29/2008 17:49 Comments || Top||

#13  "There are some insurers that will not accept it, and your insurance will be void."

When enough insurance payouts have been made, the insurers will be charging lower rates for ships that are armed.
Posted by: Elmavilet Trotsky6966 || 11/29/2008 19:24 Comments || Top||

#14  "There are some flags that prohibit the
carriage of arms or the use of violence. There are some insurers that
will not accept it, and your insurance will be void."




Only if the armed guards are aboard. There's very little they can do if there's an armed escort. That was proven in the Straits of Mallacca.

Posted by: Pappy || 11/29/2008 20:26 Comments || Top||

#15  BD, you're the one that took to name-calling reacting to my assertion that they 'ran away'. My 'title' in the last thread would have been the same if it were Blackwater.

You may have your opinion, but the tone of this thread vindicates my sarcasm.
The fact is these outfits are pacifist, and the ROE is to 'run away' if boarded (I doubt their phone is ringing much this week or next). Also, the overwhelming constraints put on British troops has done nothing to resolve the hugely embarrassing Iran episode (USN is guilty, too, as in the Gulf incidents with Iran). With the recent British commando success (which I somehow missed in the news), they're on track to regain face, and good for them. It was not my intent to slam them for being British, but my response fit the personal attack on me.

Your defense of your attack is lacking and, as such, a tacit acknowledgement of a knee-jerk response.
I presume you are British and I hit a nerve (primarily due to the original article title using 'British'). If so, more power to you being from a country farther down the self-destructive path than the US.
But I think we all pretty much agree that the Blackwater Navy will probably accomplish a helluva lot more than frustrated warship captains operating with maddeningly restrictive ROE.
I think we're all on the same side here, so have a tall one & a stogie and, cheers!
Posted by: logi_cal || 11/29/2008 21:25 Comments || Top||

#16  NS, one of the differences between government and private business is governments tend to deal in absolutes regardless of costs, while business's deal in rewards versus costs and risks.

In this case, governments say we can't do this because it will/may contravene international law. Whereas a business like Blackwater will look at the profits and then say how likely is a Somali pirate to take us to the International Court in the Hague and what will it costs us if they do?
Posted by: phil_b || 11/29/2008 22:04 Comments || Top||

#17  POTUS, Jefferson, sent the Dept of the Navy to quell America's initial brush with these islamofascist jihadis. The extortion was breaking the bank.

Amway/Quixtar North America know how to run a navy. heh
Posted by: Last Breath Farm Resident || 11/29/2008 23:00 Comments || Top||

#18  Non-lethal force tends to work on ignorance and disorientation / confusion of the target. If the target is aware of what is going on, non-lethal means can often be "worked through".
Posted by: crosspatch || 11/29/2008 23:01 Comments || Top||

#19  Huh? Aiming a speaker at pirates doesn't stop them?

It depends on if Rosie O'Donnell has a talk show.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 11/29/2008 23:35 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
U.S. Troops Kill Taliban Commander, Clad in Woman's Clothes
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S.-led coalition troops killed a Taliban commander dressed as a women during a raid in southern Afghanistan, officials said Saturday.

Soldiers killed four Taliban fighters in Friday's operation, including the Taliban commander named Haji Yakub who was dressed as a woman to evade capture, the U.S. military said in a statement.

Yakub directed roadside bomb and suicide attacks against Afghanistan's government and coalition forces in Ghazni province, according to the statement.

Meanwhile, Afghan and coalition forces killed 33 militants when their patrol came under attack in southern Helmand province, a military said. The troops responded to the attack with small-arms fire and air support, it said.

In the Ghazni raid, the U.S. said coalition forces discovered Yakub as they questioned a group of women and children inside a compound. The Taliban commander was dressed in a burqa, a traditional robe that covers the entire body. He was killed when he "attempted to engage the force," the statement said.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/29/2008 01:57 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under:

#1  U.S.-led coalition troops killed a Taliban commander dressed as a women during a raid in southern Afghanistan, officials said Saturday.

OMG!

"it" is a WMD in its own right.. LOL! So unsightly I hope that our men and women are collecting extra ugly Hazard pay on top of the additional risks they take every day, and usually without complaint!

:)
Posted by: RD || 11/29/2008 2:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Perfect picture!
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/29/2008 4:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Meanwhile the BBC reports this in full pro-Taliban spin mode:

"Mohammad Hanif was killed at his home in the province of Nangarhar along with three other people who were believed to be his relatives.

Some reports said the assailants were wearing Afghan army uniforms."
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 4:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Does he get to wear those when he gets his 72 virgins? Not a very brave exit for a tough guy.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 11/29/2008 9:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Just when you believe a Brave Lion can't slink lower they get the shovel out and keep digging.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 11/29/2008 9:38 Comments || Top||

#6  We are at war with cross-dressers?
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/29/2008 9:54 Comments || Top||

#7  #6: We are at war with cross-dressers?
Posted by: JohnQC


Just Muzzie cross-dressers, JohnQC.

Fred, I could have lived another 50 years without seeing that photo, and been happy. Now I've got to wash my eyes out with scouring pads.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/29/2008 12:57 Comments || Top||

#8  You've got to see the movie...

link to video clip
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 14:10 Comments || Top||

#9  Somehow I've missed "The Rocky Horror Picture Show".
Off to the video store for me.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/29/2008 16:26 Comments || Top||

#10  RJ,you'll be sory!
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/29/2008 17:42 Comments || Top||

#11  You'll detest it. You won't be able to get the friggin' tunes out of your head for years. And the images will pop up at the least provocation...

God, I hate it.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 18:52 Comments || Top||

#12  Let's do the Time Warp agaiiinnnn!

It's just a step to the left...
Posted by: Frank G || 11/29/2008 19:15 Comments || Top||


ISAF fire artillery rounds inside Pakistan
The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan on Friday fired 'four artillery rounds' inside Pakistan to target Taliban who attacked its bases, an ISAF statement said. "ISAF countered three attempts by insurgent to attack ISAF bases in Bermel district in Paktika (Afghanistan)," an emailed ISAF statement from its Kabul headquarters said. The statement did not say where the Taliban were attacked. It said ISAF soldiers first saw "two insurgents positioning rockets in preparation for an attack. The ISAF troops fired six artillery rounds at the location". "Within an hour, eight rockets were fired at the ISAF base. In response, ISAF fired four artillery rounds at the insurgents inside Pakistan," the statement said.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [262 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  Shouldn't that be "four rounds of artillery" fired from a shutter cannon?
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Dang, it's the McCoy... not the Paris gun for once. Melted the last one at Aberdeen proving grounds in a fit of patriotic fervor back in '42.

Posted by: .5MT || 11/29/2008 5:44 Comments || Top||


Iranian-born British army spy jailed for 10 years
An army corporal who was the personal interpreter to Britain's most senior officer in Afghanistan was jailed for 10 years on Friday for spying for Iran.

Daniel James, an Iranian-born flamboyant salsa-dancing fantasist who liked to be known as "General James", was caught passing information to an Iranian official in coded emails. His trial heard evidence that he believed he had been denied promotion because of racism and jealousy.

James, 45, worked for General David Richards, who will take over as chief of the British army in August, but at the time headed the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.

Sentencing James, judge Roderick Evans said: "The gravest part of your offending and what made this case unique was that you engaged in this activity when you were actually serving in a war zone."

The judge said James was a "ripe target" for the Iranians because of his nationality, disenchantment with the British army and "narcissistic" personality. It emerged during his trial that he was 25,000 pounds (30,000 euros, $38,000) in debt.

The judge agreed with defense lawyers that the army should never have appointed James to such a sensitive position.

James, who immigrated to Britain as a teenager, was found guilty earlier this month of communicating information useful to an enemy under the Official Secrets Act. The charge related to emails he sent to Colonel Mohammad Hossein Heydari, military attaché at the Iranian embassy in Kabul.

On Thursday prosecutors announced they would not proceed with a re-trial on two further charges that jurors in the trial were unable to agree a verdict on.

James was told that he would serve half the term in custody, minus the 709 days he has already been on remand, and the remainder on license. That means he could be out in just over three years.
This article starring:
Daniel James
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [276 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  flamboyant salsa-dancing fantasist

That's the last thing you want to be known as in prison.
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 0:20 Comments || Top||

#2  "That means he could be out in just over three years."

Ooh, that's haaaarsh. Really sends the right messages re spying for the enemy and threatening the lives of our servisemen. /sarc
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 5:00 Comments || Top||

#3  If he survives 3 years. I put him one step above a pederast.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/29/2008 6:29 Comments || Top||

#4  WTF? Three years for treason in uniform in a war zone?
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/29/2008 7:51 Comments || Top||

#5  That'll get him out in time to work for Foggy Bottom during during that last years push for Isaeli/Palestinian peace.
Posted by: Mike N. || 11/29/2008 9:37 Comments || Top||

#6  No that there is a history of this type of behavior. Of course it all depends on 'who's ox is being gored', doesn't it. Or to say, better to do onto others before they do onto you.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 11/29/2008 9:44 Comments || Top||


Militants kill 13 Afghan troops
Hundreds of militants have attacked a large logistics convoy in Afghanistan's wetersn province of Badghis, killing 13 government troops. Regional officials confirmed that more than 300 militants launched an assault late Thursday on a convoy of 47 vehicles which was transporting winter supplies for their units at Bala Murghab district in Badghis.

Afghan forces and pro-Taliban insurgents were engaged in crossfire which lasted for several hours, the officials added. "In a several-hour battle, 13 Afghan soldiers and policemen were killed and 11 others were wounded. Seven Taliban fighters were also killed," the deputy provincial governor Abdul Ghani Sabri said.

Meanwhile, a border police official Naeem Khan said sixteen other Afghan troops were captured by the militants. Khan added that helicopters were dispatched to the area and fired at the insurgents following the clash.

Pro-Taliban militants regularly attack supply convoys, including those headed to US-led and NATO military bases.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [288 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


Africa Horn
Ethiopia to withdraw from Somalia by end 2008
Ethiopian troops will have fully withdrawn from Somalia by the end of 2008, bringing an end to a two-year military intervention, a foreign ministry spokesman told said Friday. Wahide Belay said that the deadline for the pullout was announced in a letter sent on Tuesday to U.N. Secretary General.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [266 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts


Africa Subsaharan
Clashes kill 20 in Nigerian city of Jos
Clashes between rival ethnic and religious groups in the central Nigerian city of Jos killed at least 20 people on Friday, injured hundreds more and forces thousands from their homes, the Red Cross said.

Authorities imposed a night-time curfew on the capital of the central Plateau state and soldiers deployed on the streets after rival gangs burned churches, mosques and homes in a dispute triggered by a local election.

The unrest is the most serious of its kind in Africa's most populous nation, roughly equally split between Christians and Muslims, since President Umaru Yar'Adua took power in May 2007.

"Over 20 people died. Churches and mosques and 100 houses were burned down," a senior Red Cross official, who asked not to be named, told Reuters. He said more than 300 people were injured.

Youths with machetes hacked to death a policeman and burned tires in one part of the city, sending plumes of thick black smoke into the air, witnesses said.

"All law-abiding citizens are assured that government is on top of the situation and should go about their normal lives," Jonah Jang, governor of Plateau state of which Jos is the capital, said in a broadcast.

"Government is imposing a curfew in Jos ... and the environs from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. (1700-0500 GMT). Government wishes to advise against any further attempt to test its will to maintain peace on the Plateau," he said.

Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [273 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The election result has not been officially announced but the protests turned violent after a rumour spread that the opposition candidate (All Nigeria People's Party ) to lead the local council had been defeated."
A local journalist told the BBC that Muslim opposition supporters had gone on the rampage when they heard their candidate to head the council had lost.
Local journalist Senan Murray told the BBC's Hausa Service that Muslims in the city tend to support the ANPP and Christians the PDP.
Posted by: classer || 11/29/2008 0:33 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Trains between Koreas stop, North restricts border
A cargo train between North and South Korea and tours from the South to the communist state stopped on Friday under a border clampdown called for by Pyongyang in anger at the conservative government in Seoul.

But a large number of South Koreans who work at a joint industrial enclave in the North Korean border city of Kaesong were being allowed to keep permits to enter the factory park there, despite an earlier vow by Pyongyang to expel many of them by December 1, officials said.

"Today is the last day of Kaesong tours, and today is the last day of the train runs," Unification Ministry spokesman Kim Ho-nyeon told a briefing in Seoul. While the border was being shut to trains and tours, as many as 1,700 people have been told they can keep their permits to enter the Kaesong factory zone, spokesman Kim said. But the first of the approximately 1,000 people, including government officials, began pulling out on Friday and some expressed disappointment that their role was cut short.

"I wish South-North ties would improve as early as possible so that we can return to do our jobs," Kim Chang-soo, with the joint management office, said as he crossed the border. The factory park has provided cash-starved North Korea with hundreds of millions of dollars and is expected to be operating near normally on Monday, despite the border clampdown.
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#1  WOudl Kim just die, and the N just fade away?
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/29/2008 0:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Stock up on grass now. Avoid the Christmas rush.
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 0:15 Comments || Top||

#3 
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/29/2008 3:00 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess these folks value unity more than liberty, given they are supporting an oppressive Stalinist regime that is starving its people to death while trying to create nuclear weapons and aid destabilizing regimes around the world.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/29/2008 12:33 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back.
Shades of the Columbine PD.
It is the photograph that has dominated the world's front pages, casting an astonishing light on the fresh-faced killers who brought terror to the heart of India's most vibrant city. Now it can be revealed how the astonishing picture came to be taken by a newspaper photographer who hid inside a train carriage as gunfire erupted all around him.

Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus. "I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by," he said. "They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but theydidn't seem to care."

The gunmen were terrifyingly professional, making sure at least one of them was able to fire their rifle while the other reloaded. By the time he managed to capture the killer on camera, Mr D'Souza had already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were armed but did not fire back. "I first saw the gunmen outside the station," Mr D'Souza said. "With their rucksacks and Western clothes they looked like backpackers, not terrorists, but they were very heavily armed and clearly knew how to use their rifles.

"Towards the station entrance, there are a number of bookshops and one of the bookstore owners was trying to close his shop," he recalled. "The gunmen opened fire and the shopkeeper fell down."

But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."

As the gunmen fired at policemen taking cover across the street, Mr D'Souza realised a train was pulling into the station unaware of the horror within. "I couldn't believe it. We rushed to the platform and told everyone to head towards the back of the station. Those who were older and couldn't run, we told them to stay put."

The militants returned inside the station and headed towards a rear exit towards Chowpatty Beach. Mr D'Souza added: "I told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 11/29/2008 14:26 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [425 views] Top|| File under: Lashkar e-Taiba

#1  Those railway policemen with Lee Enfield 303s receive almost no firearms training. Most can't shoot straight and many weapons are not even serviceable.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 14:39 Comments || Top||

#2  If you'd thought your gun might work, that would have been a good opportunity for some target practice. Of course, that's assuming they were carrying any ammo at all.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 14:45 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't know if Indians are allowed to carry arms, but: If only the authorities are permitted weapons then they assume full responsibility for the defense of the unarmed citizens, and May NOT stand by, hide or run when the population is threatened, even if the risk to themselves is substantial (and a typical police sidearm against an AK-47 is most assuredly a high-risk confrontation - except for the first shot.)
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/29/2008 14:46 Comments || Top||

#4  "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 15:01 Comments || Top||

#5  ...but the bullets make the gun heavy.
Posted by: Marzipan || 11/29/2008 15:10 Comments || Top||

#6  Be like Barney Fife, keep your bullet in your shirt pocket.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/29/2008 15:53 Comments || Top||

#7  No self respecting journalist would ever shoot a gun; at least not at a terrorist. This is obviously false.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/29/2008 16:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Any self respecting patriot would shoot him down....some reporters have blood in their veins, not water. As for the damn Mumbai police...they are cowards who can only beat innocents and poor people.
Can I ask when the world knows that Dawood Ibrahim is behind this and lives either in Dubai or Karachi, why isn't he dead? How can he run smuggling operations in Mumbai...the effing police is complicit, thats how...The Chief Minister of that state and his lackeys should be shot for
treason. I wish the dead were 300 politicians rather than worthy
citizens.
Posted by: Jeresing Fillmore1921 || 11/29/2008 18:02 Comments || Top||

#9  "What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them?"

Exactly. The chief of police of Mumbai needs to be publicly humiliated, the police force culled with extreme prejudice, and a new training program started with those who remain ... tomorrow AM.

If I were in charge of those policemen, and I realize they are all extremely tired, they would all be recalled for re-training starting immediately.

Their primary reason for existence is to protect the citizens. They failed. They displayed cowardice. That must not be allowed to happen again.

But remember, while they had weapons, it is quite possible they had no ammunition or only a few rounds. Not enough for a protracted gun battle with well-supplied terrorists. Still, a few well-placed shots would have taken them out one-by-one.

Despicable behavior from a "police" force.
Posted by: crosspatch || 11/29/2008 22:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Firearms, more useful than a camera.
Posted by: Last Breath Farm Resident || 11/29/2008 22:51 Comments || Top||


Pak may relocate 100,000 army personnel to border
Pakistan may relocate around 100,000 military personnel from its restive border area with Afghanistan if there is an escalation in tension with India,which has hinted at the involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai carnage, a media report said today.

Private channel Geo News reported that Pakistan's military and intelligence sources told a select group of journalists today that NATO and American command had been told

that Islamabad [Images] would be forced to relocate its military from the borders with Afghanistan if there is escalation in tension with India, where nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks on the Indian financial capital.

"These sources have said NATO and the US command have been told that Pakistan would not be able to concentrate on the war on terror and against militants around the Afghanistan border as defending its borders with India was far moreimportant," Geo News quoted senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir as saying.

He also said the sources had briefed the media that the decision not to send the ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha to India was taken after Indian foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee used a very aggressive tone with Pakistani officials on telephone after the Mumbai attacks.

"The decision to not send the ISI DG to India was taken because Mukherjee used strong words with Pakistani officials and warned of consequences," Mir quoted the military sources as saying.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 12:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [263 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ahhh so the ISI guy is insulted? F*ck him.
Posted by: Frank G || 11/29/2008 12:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Was the ISI guy insulted or just fearing becoming a very-deserving POW?

"Pakistan would not be able to concentrate on the war on terror and against militants around the Afghanistan border as defending its borders with India was far more important"
Absurd on many levels. What have the 100,000 military personnel accomplished so far? Who keeps starting and fanning the fires along the Indian border? Pakistan seems determined to get its butt whipped on both sides plus either self-destruct or vaporize in its middle.
Posted by: Darrell || 11/29/2008 13:48 Comments || Top||

#3  So the Afghan border is now a free firezone for more predators and spec-ops to fill in the vacuum?
Right?
Posted by: 3dc || 11/29/2008 13:53 Comments || Top||

#4  This is exactly out of the 2001 playbook. Terrorist Infantry assault on Indian Parliament, then Islamabad says "Due to increased tensions, we've got to move our troops away from NWFP to the Indian border."
Posted by: Plastic Snoopy || 11/29/2008 14:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Does that include the Counter Drone Ack Ack Batteries that inspire fear deep into the silicon hearts of every Predator?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/29/2008 14:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Mission Accomplished.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/29/2008 16:00 Comments || Top||

#7  So the Afghan border is now a free firezone for more predators and spec-ops to fill in the vacuum?

Uh, yeah. That'd be my guess. Who's gonna protect bin Laden when they're gone?
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 11/29/2008 16:42 Comments || Top||

#8  I do not believe this was an ISI sponsored operation though it may have been done with people who have had access to some ISI-sponsored resources in the past. I believe this was an al Qaeda operation using groups active in the Kashmir region.

I further believe that one of the PURPOSES of this operation would be to increase tensions with India and force a relocation of troops out of the tribal regions to the Indian border.

The attack on the Jewish center is one indication. I don't believe an ISI-planned attack would have wasted time/energy/resources on that target. The targeting of US and UK tourists is another indication to me that this was not ISI-planned. ISI would have gone after purely Indian targets and Hindu targets at that, not after foreigners and Jews. Attacking foreigners is an al Qaida trademark.

Posted by: crosspatch || 11/29/2008 20:13 Comments || Top||

#9  In fact, targeting hotels is a technique I have seen al Qaida affiliated groups use again and again in Indonesia, Jordon, Iraq, and other places.

I am fairly convinced that this operation was planned and trained by al Qaeda.
Posted by: crosspatch || 11/29/2008 20:15 Comments || Top||


Taxi was meant to blow up Mumbai airport
The flyover outside the domestic airport in Mumbai and a taxi driver’s unfamiliarity with the new slip route to the terminal perhaps went a long way in averting a major disaster that could have taken the toll into hundreds on Wednesday night itself.

Shortly before the terrorists moved into their targets in South Mumbai, a black and yellow taxi, with three passengers and enough ammunition to bring down a dome, sped in the direction of the airport. Instead of taking a slip road that would have taken the passengers straight to the airport, the driver took the flyover which bypassed the airport, only to get stuck at a red light.

At rush hour, the lights stayed red for long, at which the passengers berated the driver and asked him to cut the traffic lights. The driver moved on, but the wait turned out to be a minute or two too long. The car exploded. All that was found was a severed head and parts of three human legs. Had the terrorists' plans of coinciding a blast at the airport with the attacks on the Taj and Oberoi hotels succeeded, the death toll of 26/11 would have been much bigger than it already is.
Posted by: tipper || 11/29/2008 09:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [251 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One of them said the goal was at least 5000 dead. I'd like to see at least 8 million Paks paying the price.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 11/29/2008 9:42 Comments || Top||

#2  For the past 3 daze I've been switching back and forth between Fox and CNN to keep up with events. CNN (stop the presses!) is so loony and taqiyya-like, it's startling. Most of their reporters (like Christiane AmfourIslam&Poor) strongly suggesting that the lack of opportunity by Muslims in India was the motivation.
Posted by: hammerhead || 11/29/2008 10:18 Comments || Top||

#3  I was channel surfing past CNN and heard one of their reporters blab that navigation pilots now have 'panic buttons' which they can push to indicate that something is wrong. And then some government offical confirmed it.

Somehow I don't think that little tidbit was something 'the public has a right to know.' and might get people killed when a pilot is disarmed of it by terrorist.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/29/2008 10:39 Comments || Top||

#4  I think you misunderstand, Aircraft are so equipped, not pilots.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/29/2008 12:49 Comments || Top||

#5  "At rush hour, the lights stayed red for long, at which the passengers berated the driver and asked him to cut the traffic lights."

Considering that the bomb blew them all to hell, how do they know that the passengers berated the driver?
Posted by: Penguin || 11/29/2008 12:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Now you see why Americans complain about taxis who do not understand English instructions well? "No, no Sanji, I said take a right here, not 'take her right here!'" "Please go back, please run past the red light, please ... KABOOM!
Posted by: Mad Eye Thring3957 || 11/29/2008 13:56 Comments || Top||


I want to live: Captured terrorist Azam
MUMBAI: His swaggering image as he walked around Chhatrapati Shivaji terminus dispensing death was captured by Mumbai Mirror photo editor Sebastian D' souza, and was the first glimpse of the terrorists who have held Mumbai hostage over the last 48 hours.

Now we can also tell you who this man is and how he has become the vital link for investigating agencies to crack the terror plot.

His name is Azam Amir Kasav, he is 21 years old, speaks fluent English, hails from tehsil Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan, and is the only terrorist from this audacious operation to have been captured alive.

An ATS spokesperson confirmed that the man captured was indeed the one photographed by us.

On the night of Wednesday-Thursday Azam and his colleague opened fire at CST before creating havoc at Metro and then moving on to Girgaum Chowpatty in a stolen Skoda, and where they were intercepted by a team from the Gamdevi police station . Azam shot dead assistant police inspector Tukaram Umbale.

But in that encounter Azam's colleague was killed and he himself was injured in the hand. He pretended to be dead giving rise to the news that two terrorists had been killed. However as the 'bodies' were being taken to Nair Hospital, the accompanying cops figured that one of the men was breathing.

According to sources, the casualty ward of Nair hospital was evacuated and the Anti-Terror Squad moved in to interrogate him. Azam who was tight-lipped initially, cracked upon seeing the mutilated body of his colleague and pleaded with the medical staff at Nair to save his life. "I do not want to die," he reportedly said. "Please put me on saline."

Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST was recovered from him. According to sources the young terrorist has given the investigators vital leads including how the chief planner of the Mumbai terror plot had come to the city a month ago, took picture and filmed strategic locations and trained their group and instructed them to "kill till the last breath." Every man was given six to seven magazines with fifty bullets each, eight hand grenades per terrorist with one AK-57 , an automaticloading revolver and a supply of dry fruits.

Azam reportedly disclosed that the group left Karachi in one boat and upon reaching Gujarat they hoisted a white flag on their boat and were intercepted by two officers of the coast guard near Porbandar and while they were being questioned one of the terrorists grappled with one of the officers slit his throat and threw the body in the boat. The other officer was told to help the group reach Mumbai. When they were four nautical miles away from Mumbai there were three speedboats waiting for them where the other coastguard officer was killed. All the ammo was then shifted into these three spedboats they reached Colaba jetty on Wednesday night and the ten men broke up into groups of two each. Four of these men went to the Taj Mahal hotel, two of them to the Trident hotel, two towards Nariman House at Colaba and two of which Azam was one moved to CST.

Azam, who was at Nair hospital for nearly four hours, was taken away by the intelligence agencies in the early hours of Thursday to an unknown location after the hospital authorities had removed the bullet from his hand and declared that his condition stable. But it seems the police grilling was so intense that before he left the hospital for an undisclosed location he pleaded with the police and the medical staff to kill him. "Now , I don't want to live," he said.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 06:50 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [350 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “Two British-born Pakistanis, along with another from Faridkot near Multan in Pakistan, have been arrested in connection with the Mumbai carnage. They are being interrogated. All three are injured, though not grievously,” a top Mumbai police official said.

Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 7:05 Comments || Top||

#2  "Now , I don't want to live," he said.
I don't think that is going to be a problem, Azam
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 11/29/2008 8:05 Comments || Top||

#3  wants to live.

Try him. Convict him. Put him on Death Row. For about 4,200 nights in a row, blindfold him, put him on a scaffold and put a rope around his neck, but leave the other end loose. Then spring the trsp. On night 4,201, secure both ends of the rope and hang him...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/29/2008 8:09 Comments || Top||

#4  [Paul has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: Paul || 11/29/2008 10:39 Comments || Top||

#5  The ISI-Le T connection strikes again!!!!!
Posted by: Paul2 || 11/29/2008 10:40 Comments || Top||

#6  "But it seems the police grilling was so intense that before he left the hospital for an undisclosed location he pleaded with the police and the medical staff to kill him"

Looks like the Indian police can be quite effective during interrogations. Azam should have probably thought of this before signing up for this carnage.
Posted by: sludge || 11/29/2008 11:49 Comments || Top||

#7  an autoloading revolver?

Does not exist, bad translation,
he means a semi-auto pistol.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/29/2008 12:38 Comments || Top||

#8  Looks like the Indian police can be quite effective during interrogations.

just wait for the ACLU to get there... that effectiveness will drop in short order.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 11/29/2008 12:48 Comments || Top||

#9  I don't think the Indians would put up with the ACLU for more than a heartbeat or two, Abu. Especially not after the last two or three days.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/29/2008 13:13 Comments || Top||

#10  OP: right on that. It doesn't mean that big zero wont try to send them anyway and tie it to military sales.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 11/29/2008 14:22 Comments || Top||

#11  It does indeed sound like Mukkarjee got the kinks out swinging the #7 truncheon ...
Posted by: Steve White || 11/29/2008 16:51 Comments || Top||

#12  "a bandage for this man, and see if you can find his teeth. I'll refresh my moustache wax and be back in a few!"
Posted by: Frank G || 11/29/2008 17:15 Comments || Top||

#13  When they were four nautical miles away from Mumbai there were three speedboats waiting for them where the other coastguard officer was killed.

The lesson of Flight 93 has not made it to India.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/29/2008 17:17 Comments || Top||

#14  The total numbers of terrorists and the number in custody has decreased.
Either fog of war or Indian intelligence has plans for them that do not include court trials.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 18:44 Comments || Top||

#15  Does not exist, bad translation,
he means a semi-auto pistol.


Well, it's not as if we've figured out what a shutter gun is.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 11/29/2008 23:38 Comments || Top||


Coast Guard locates suspected terrorist ship M V Alpha
MUMBAI: MV Alpha, a ship which is suspected to have carried the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks, was today found 112 km from here by the Coast Guard, officials said.
The other hijacked ship was the fishing boat Kuber, as noted in another story today.
A CG spokesman said that searches were being carried out on board the ship but declined to elaborate. The Coast Guard had launched two aircraft, choppers and its vessels after receiving information that the ship could have carried the terrorists from Gujarat to Mumbai.
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IBN: Operation over at Taj; Last 2 terrorists killed
Posted by: phil_b || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [260 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So, how many of the terrorists survived? Each one a wealth of information, I'm sure.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 11/29/2008 9:25 Comments || Top||


7 killed in Bannu suicide car boom
At least seven people including a policeman were killed and 16 others including four policemen injured when a suicide bomber targeted a police patrol vehicle in Bannu district on Friday, police said.

Local sources told Daily Times that a suicide bomber rammed an explosives-laden vehicle into a police car patrolling the streets near Tarezi Chowk on the main Bannu-Kohat road. The blast destroyed the police vehicle and the injured were taken to Bannu District Headquarters Hospital (DHQ). The Bannu Township station house officer is also among the injured.

Bannu District Police Officer Alam Shinwari told Daily Times that the police opened fire on the bomber before he smashed into their vehicle. Police cordoned off the area after the attack and started investigation.

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani condemned the blast in Bannu, APP reported. In his message, Zardari said the government was determined to deal with the scourge of terrorism and extremism with an iron hand.
Except when conducted by the ISI ...
Gilani said those carrying out acts of terrorism will never escape from the law.

ISPR: Separately, an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement said that the security forces recovered Afghan currency notes worth Rs 8 million hidden in three different locations during a search operation in Loyesam and Zor Bandar areas of Bajaur Agency. The statement said that a huge quantity of Indian-made medicines was also recovered from the compounds, which were being used by the Taliban.

Killed: Three militants were killed and several others injured in the ongoing military operation against the Taliban in the agency on Friday, local sources said.

Meanwhile, the Salarzai Qaumi Lashkar has started action against the Taliban in their areas and hundreds of lashkar volunteers have set up new checkposts and tightened security.

Separately, the Taliban attacked Mamadgut military camp in Mohmand Agency on Friday. A Taliban and a civilian were killed in crossfire by the security forces. Later in the day, a jet aircraft bombed suspected Taliban hideouts in various areas of Safi tehsil. No casualties were reported.

Taliban also attacked security forces' Lakrao checkpost. The Taliban and security forces exchanged fire, which continued until the filing of this report.

Separately, the Taliban damaged a Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited booster affecting 4,000 telephone connections in various areas of the agency.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [330 views] Top|| File under: TTP

#1  Chickens, roost?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/29/2008 5:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Due for another Predator visit.
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 8:36 Comments || Top||


Pakistan: Suicide blast targets police in northwest
(AKI) - A suicide car bomber has killed seven people in the northwestern Pakistani town of Bannu.

Police chief Mohammed Alam Shinwari said the attacker rammed an explosives-laden vehicle into a police car patrolling the town's streets on Friday. Shinwari said four police officers and three civilians died and several other people were wounded in the attack.

Immediately after the incident police and security forces cordoned off the area around the site of the attack and launched an investigation.

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani strongly condemned the blast in Bannu in which some policemen lost their lives. Zardari said that the government was determined to deal with the scourge of terrorism and extremism with an iron hand and that those responsible for acts of terrorism would not escape the law.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [266 views] Top|| File under: TTP


'Pakistan involved'
India pointed a finger on Friday at "elements" linked with Pakistan for the attacks in Mumbai, raising the prospect of a breakdown in the nuclear-armed rivals' peace efforts. After Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Thursday statement laying responsibility on groups based in India's neighbours, usually an allusion to Pakistan, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee was more explicit in implicating the neighbouring country on Friday. "Preliminary evidence, prima facie evidence, indicates elements with links to Pakistan are involved," Mukherjee told a news conference. However, "Proof cannot be disclosed at this time," he stressed. He urged Pakistan to dismantle the infrastructure that supports militants.

Indian Home Minister Jaiprakash Jaiswal said a captured gunman had been identified as a Pakistani. However, he did not present any evidence to support the claim.
Indian Home Minister Jaiprakash Jaiswal said a captured gunman had been identified as a Pakistani. However, he did not present any evidence to support the claim. APP reported Mukherjee as saying the Mumbai attacks made it impossible to leap forward in bilateral relations. An official statement said, "Pranab Mukherjee spoke this evening to the Foreign Minister of Pakistan Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi to convey the hope that the government of Pakistan will take immediate action with regard to the terrorist attacks on Mumbai. "He conveyed that while the government of Pakistan has said that it wants a leap forward in our bilateral relations, outrages like the attack on our embassy in Kabul and now the attack on Mumbai is intended to make this impossible.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Who would have known? Doesn't most of the current festering trouble in the world bubble over from Whackiland?
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/29/2008 9:36 Comments || Top||


Satellite phone vital clue to solve Mumbai attack
MUMBAI: The satellite phone and global positioning system (GPS) map recovered from a trawler abandoned in the high seas is now among the most crucial pieces of evidence connected to the terror attacks on Mumbai.

The vessel, Kuber, was found drifting 5-6 nautical miles off the Mumbai shore; the entire crew is missing except for the group leader, Amar Narayan, 38, whose body was found on board with limbs tied, blindfolded and neck slit open. Kuber is believed to be the mother boat used to launch the inflatable dinghies which carried the terrorists to the seafront at Colaba. Intelligence agencies are scanning the satellite phone's records to track the places from where calls were made to the vessel. The boat has been now handed over to the Mumbai police.

The trawler had last set out from Porbandar, 310 nautical miles from Mumbai, on November 13. Owned by a man named Vinod Masani, it had a five-member crew. Sources believe it was most likely hijacked near the maritime boundary, where incursions by vessels on both sides are frequent.

The terrorists are believed to have used the trawler for cover to make the journey to Mumbai without being detected by the Coast Guard. A nondescript, 25-metre-long fishing vessel bearing the name ‘Kuber’ in the Gujarati script and a Gujarat registration number would have barely raised an eyebrow in a region dotted with numerous such boats. To complete the appearance, it carried nearly 50 kg of marinated fish, rice and lentils.

"Most of the time, we act on specific information. We rarely check such fishing trawlers with Indian flags,'' admitted a Coast Guard officer.

Four fishermen who were on the boat, Balwant Prabhu, 45, Mukesh Rathod, 20, and Natu Nanu, 20, of Navsari and Ramesh Nagji, 37, of Junagadh are still missing. The owner of Kuber - Vinod Masani and his brother - Hiralal have also been detained by the Gujarat police.

Kuldeep Singh Sheroan, commanding officer of Coast Guard ship Sankalp said the crew leader Amar Narayan was killed in a brutal manner by the terrorists. They tied his limbs and put a band around his eyes and then knifed his neck, he said.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [281 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Animals. No mercy. Feed them polonium.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/29/2008 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  "'Most of the time, we act on specific information. We rarely check such fishing trawlers with Indian flags,' admitted a Coast Guard officer."

And why the hell should they have to? It's time the Indian navy spent its time and resrources effectively: shooting Pakistani vessels out of the water.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 5:09 Comments || Top||


Muslim terrorists in Mumbai tell media: 'stop hating us'
THE terror group that ruthlessly struck at Mumbai's heart has demanded an end to persecution of Muslims and the release of militants from prison.
I didn't think anyone had that much gall in the world. They bombed the hotel, shot up bus stops and restaurants, killed in excess of 150 innocent people, and they're unhappy that people 'hate' them.
The previously unknown group that claimed responsibility for the attacks across Mumbai has added to the growing belief that India is confronting a home-grown Islamic militancy.

The vast majority of previous attacks on Indian soil have been squarely blamed on groups based in or directly supported by neighbouring Pakistan. But attacks over the last year have been claimed by groups with names stressing their local origins.

Deccan Mujahedeen, which said it was responsible for the Mumbai assault on Wednesday night, takes its title from the Deccan plateau that covers much of south India.
Just a head fake. Apparently they take their orders from the ISI just like all the other terrorist groups with new names that no one's ever heard of before they commit some atrocity.
The outfit sent emails to local media saying it carried out the attacks.

One of the gunmen holed up in the Trident hotel told the India TV channel by phone on Thursday that the little-known terror outfit wanted an end to the persecution of Indian Muslims and the release of all fellow Islamic militants detained in India. "Muslims in India should not be persecuted. We love this as our country but when our mothers and sisters were being killed, where was everybody?" he said from inside the hotel, which was surrounded by army commandos.
Remind me who's killing the Muslims of India? Right, no one in the last few years. In fact the last several governments have bent over backwards to treat Muslims well, to the point of preferential hiring programs for government jobs. This is their reward.
A similarly shadowy group calling itself the Indian Mujahedeen claimed responsibility for serial blasts in Delhi in September, which killed 20 people, and bombings in the western city of Ahmedabad in July when 45 died.

Another group, the Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen, said it was behind explosions last month in India's north-east state of Assam that killed 80.

It is unclear whether the various groups are connected, but retired senior security official B Raman has said their chosen names were a "bid to Indianise" the Islamic militant movement.

The Indian Mujahedeen, which also calls itself "the militia of Islam", first came to public attention last November following serial blasts in Uttar Pradesh. The same group sent another email to the media after blasts in May in the city of Jaipur in which it said it would wage an "open war" against India for supporting the United States, and warned of more attacks against tourist sites.

Security services suspect the groups may be fronts for outfits that have been banned by the Indian government over the past few years such as the Students' Islamic Movement of India.
Gee, you think? Again, trace the money, the comm links and the command, and it all goes back to Rawalpindi ...
Others say they could be an undercover coalition of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed militant organisations.

Just minutes before the blasts in Ahmedabad, the main commercial city of Gujarat state, the Indian Mujahedeen sent emails to several television news stations warning that people would "feel the terror of death". It said the Ahmedabad blasts were revenge for riots which swept Gujarat in 2002 in which at least 2,000 people, mainly Muslims, were hacked, shot and burnt to death.

It has warned India's largest-circulation daily, The Times of India, and other media groups to halt their "propaganda war" against Muslims.

And it has told Mukesh Ambani, India's richest businessman, to "think twice" about his construction of a glass-and-steel 27-storey home on land in Mumbai where a Muslim orphanage once stood.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [290 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A 27-storey home. Now thats what I call conspicuos consumption.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/29/2008 1:18 Comments || Top||

#2  And it has told Mukesh Ambani, India's richest businessman, to "think twice" about his construction of a glass-and-steel 27-storey home on land in Mumbai where a Muslim orphanage once stood

Because kufrs should always obey to their Muslim Masters... AND because that orphanage was islam's Holiest Place N°256897456421.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/29/2008 1:40 Comments || Top||

#3  He should build a thirty one story home there.

Extra four stories should be
1/ Pork Butchers.
2/ C4sin0
3/ Stock Market and Bank.
4/ L4p Dance area.

I think the above would be a good template for re-using superfluous mosques.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/29/2008 2:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Now they're dead they don't need to worry about being hated any more. It would be a win/win if only they hadn't engaged in so much hateful activity in their short, squalid, and malighant lives.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 5:06 Comments || Top||

#5  As my daughter remarked, when I relayed to her some of the ghastly details about this which hadn't hit the broadcast TV channels last night -
"Eighty percent of all Muslims give a bad reputation to the rest of them..."
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 11/29/2008 8:55 Comments || Top||

#6  The Indian government could exploit this in an interesting way by saying it "casts shame on all Indian Muslims", which would, of course, provoke shrieks of outrage and upset.

But then, for very practical reasons, they should very publicly bury the terrorists in a non-Muslim cemetery along with lots of rotting, dead pigs. Then broadcast video of the "Muslim funeral" around the world.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/29/2008 9:26 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm just having a lot of trouble developing any sympathy for these whining a$$holes. I don't care how you cut it, they sound like the murdering thugs of AQ whatever the hell they call themselves. George Bush has the right idea, root them out wherever they are and kill them. They are not fit to live in this world.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/29/2008 9:44 Comments || Top||

#8  And then roll'em in pig fat and coat them in poke rine krummz like a fish fry.
Posted by: Mike N. || 11/29/2008 9:48 Comments || Top||

#9  What they should do is bury them the same way they bury their homeless, which is to say, no fanfare at all and then make damn sure the world knows that retaliation for this will not happen in a court of law.
Posted by: Mike N. || 11/29/2008 9:53 Comments || Top||

#10  Use them as chum.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/29/2008 10:47 Comments || Top||

#11  Stop hating us or we'll kill you.

Flawless logic.
Posted by: sludge || 11/29/2008 11:57 Comments || Top||

#12  ...bury the terrorists in a non-Muslim cemetery along with lots of rotting, dead pigs.

You don't find that many pigs in India, and the ones you do are someones livestock, and therefore valuable.

However, if Mumbai is anything like New Delhi and some of the other places I've been to in India, there are legions of stray dogs. I say leave the pigs alone, and use three stray dogs per grave.
Posted by: Crusoling the Thick Waisted1328 || 11/29/2008 13:13 Comments || Top||

#13  hey... don't punish stray dogs like that...

lets just use the feces of the dogs and pigs instead.

good lord.. think of the trauma of showing up to the gates of dog heaven and finding out you were buried with a muslim... egad

Posted by: Abu do you love || 11/29/2008 14:19 Comments || Top||


Rabbi among dead hostages discovered at Jewish centre in Mumbai
(AKI) - Indian commandos ended the siege at a Jewish centre in Mumbai on Friday while fighting continued at one of the luxury hotels two days after the city came under attack from extremists. Reports citing an Israeli diplomat said that five hostages had been killed, among them former Brooklyn Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife Rivka.
I'm not in the least surprised. If you're a religious Nazi, rabbis are prime targets, aren't they?
The couple ran the ultra-orthodox Jewish centre, known as Chabad Lubavitch, located at Nariman House. An Israeli rescue service run by Orthodox Jews also said its staff sent to Mumbai to help at the siege believed that hostages in the Chabad centre had died.

Two workers and a young child had escaped from the Jewish centre on Thursday. The child was identified as the son of Rabbi Holtzberg.

A team of at least nine Indian commandos dropped onto the Jewish Centre's roof from helicopters and stormed the building on Friday.

Late on Friday, police in Mumbai said the death toll had reached 143 with the discovery of 24 bodies in the luxury Oberoi hotel, where guests were set free on Friday as security forces took control of the building.

Elsewhere in the city, gunfire and grenade blasts were reportedly still being heard at the Taj Mahal hotel.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [258 views] Top|| File under: Lashkar e-Taiba


Arrested terrorist says gang hoped to get away
NEW DELHI: The gang of terrorists who wreaked mayhem in Mumbai for three days were made to believe by their Lashkar bosses that they were not being sent on a suicide mission and that they would be coming back alive.

In a sensational disclosure made by Ajmal, the jihadi nabbed alive by Mumbai cops, the group had planned to sail out on Thursday. Their recruiters had even charted out the return route for them and stored it on the GPS device which they had used to navigate their way to the Mumbai shoreline.

This suggests that the terrorists were willing to undertake a mission which they knew would be very risky, but not necessarily suicidal.

Sources said that the bait of safe return must have been used by the recruiters to convince the wavering among the group to join the audacious plot against Mumbai.

Ajmal made another important disclosure: that all terrorists were trained in marine warfare along with the special course Daura-e-Shifa conducted by the Lashkar-e-Toiba in what at once transforms the nature of the planning from a routine terror strike and into a specialized raid by commandos.

Battle-hardened ATS officials are surprised by the details of the training the terrorists were put through before being despatched for the macabre mission. This was very different from a terrorist attack, and amounted to an offensive from the seam, said a source.

Ajmal has revealed the name of his fellow jihadis all Pakistani citizens as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).
Ajmal has revealed the name of his fellow jihadis all Pakistani citizens as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).

The account of Ajmal also strengthens the doubt of the complicity of powerful elements in the Pakistani establishment. According to him, the group set off on November 21 from an isolated creek near Karachi without the deadly cargo of arms and ammunition they were to use against the innocents in Mumbai. The group received arms and ammunition on board a large Pakistani vessel which picked them up the following day. The vessel, whose ownership is now the subject of an international probe, had four Pakistanis apart from the crew.

A day later, they came across an Indian-owned trawler, Kuber, which was promptly commandeered on the seas. Four of the fishermen who were on the trawler were killed, but its skipper, or tandel in fishermen lingo, Amarjit Singh, was forced to proceed towards India. Amarjit was killed the next day, and Ismail the terrorist who was killed at Girgaum Chowpaty took the wheel.

A trained sailor, Ismail used the GPS to reach Mumbai coast on November 26. The group, however, slowed down its advance as they had reached during the day time while the landing was planned after dusk. The group shifted to inflatable boats, before disembarking at Badhwar Park in Cuffe Parade.

From there, they mandated to kill indiscriminately, particularly white foreign tourists, and spare Muslims split up into five batches. Two of them Ismail and Ajmal took a taxi to Victoria Terminus. Three other batches of two each headed for Oberoi Hotel, Cafe Leopold and Nariman House. The remaining four went to Taj Hotel.
Posted by: john frum || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [276 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks John. Great article.
Posted by: Muggsy Glink || 11/29/2008 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  "Ajmal made another important disclosure: that all terrorists were trained in marine warfare..."

Because being able to slit the throats of Gujarati fishermen makes you a warrior in Pakistan. Maybe these brave marines should get statues in Karachi, perhaps immortalised in the process of throwing limp fishermen off the side of a boat.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/29/2008 5:16 Comments || Top||

#3  This was very different from a terrorist attack, and amounted to an offensive from the seamIslamabad, said a source.

Fixed it.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 11/29/2008 5:23 Comments || Top||

#4  his fellow jihadis all Pakistani

As we say here in Pittsburgh, "git aht.."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 11/29/2008 8:16 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Child killed as rocket hits his home in Kut
Aswat al-Iraq: A nine-year-old boy child was killed when a rocket fell on the house of his family in northern al-Kut city on Friday, a security source in Wassit said. "A Katyusha rocket fell on a man's house in al-Khajiya, northern Kut, on Friday evening, leaving a child killed and two other family members wounded," the source told Aswat al-Iraq.

The source did not say where the rocket was fired or any other details about the incident.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [268 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  Senseless arab bullshit.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/29/2008 20:05 Comments || Top||


4 policemen wounded in IED blast in Diyala
Aswat al-Iraq: Four Iraqi policemen were wounded on Friday when an improvised explosive device went off northeast of the city of Baaquba, an official security source in Diala said. “The IED targeted a police patrol inside al-Saadiya area, Khanaqin district, (155 km) northeast of Baaquba, leaving four policemen injured,” the source told Aswat al-Iraq.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [269 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


9 suspects arrested in Kut
Aswat al-Iraq: Policemen on Friday arrested nine suspects in different areas of the city of al-Kut, a security source in Wassit said. "Security forces conducted on Friday a series of security operations in Kut, where they arrested nine suspects," the source told Aswat al-Iraq. "Two of the persons arrested were released for lack of sufficient evidence while seven others are under investigative custody," the source added.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [272 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


At least 12 killed in Baghdad mosque blast
(AKI) - At least 12 people were killed and 18 others injured in a suicide bomb attack outside a mosque south of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, on Friday. A suicide bomber wearing an explosives belt attacked the mosque just before Friday prayers in al-Musayab, a district in the mainly Shia province of Babel, 60 kilometres south of Baghdad. The mosque is used mainly by Shia Muslim worshippers who follow radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Al-Sadr is reported to be strongly opposed to the new security pact passed by the Iraqi Parliament this week.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [239 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel resumes starvation of Gaza after rocket attack
Israel on Thursday again prevented the delivery of humanitarian aid to the impoverished Gaza Strip in what the Jewish state said was a response to a rocket attack by Palestinian militants. The rocket hit an empty field in southern Israel and caused no injuries or damage, police said.
That's so sad. Those nice Paleostinians can't afford groceries. And all their grocery stores sell is rockets.
It's part of this nutritious breakfast!
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [277 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Poor dears. Only 75% of Paleos are obese. Ima have a turkey sandwich in sympathy.
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 0:14 Comments || Top||

#2  I say, shoot cans of pork and beans with artillery into Gaza from Sderot.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/29/2008 14:29 Comments || Top||


Six IDF soldiers wounded in mortar barrage on western Negev
Six Israed Defense Froces soldiers were wounded Friday evening after mortars fired by Gaza Strip militants hit a military base near Kibbutz Nahal Oz in the western Negev. There was no immediate claim of responsibility from Palestinian militants in Gaza.

According to the IDF, militants have fired 11 mortars at southern Israel on Friday. The mortar barrage came after earlier on Friday an IDF patrol clashed with Palestinian militants in the southeastern Gaza Strip near the border with Israel, injuring at least two.

The violence is further marring a 5-month-old truce between Israel and Gaza militants that began breaking down in early November. Israel has responded to mortar and rocket attacks from Gaza by tightening its blockade of the coast stripal. Only small shipments of aid and fuel are currently allowed into Gaza, deepening the hardship there. Israel says cargo crossings won't open until militants halt rocket fire at Israeli towns.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [264 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  G*D, I'm so tired of the two Ehuds.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/29/2008 5:18 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Sayyaf seizes girl,9, in Basilan
Four suspected Abu Sayyaf rebels snatched a nine-year-old girl from her mother in Lamitan, Basilan Wednesday night, authorities said. This developed as the Western Mindanao police command was laying out its strategy to stem the series of kidnappings in the region. The abduction also came as a sour note to the celebration of the Week of Peace here, the 11th since 1997, participated in by nearly 20,000 people.
That's working well, isn't it?
Authorities said four armed men on board two motorcycles grabbed the girl from her mother in front of their house in Barangay Malakas, Lamitan town at around 6:30 p.m. Wednesday. Nick Castro, security chief of Lamitan Mayor Roderick Furigay, said the girl's mother resisted but the kidnappers pointed a gun at her. Maj. Eugene Batara, spokesman of the Western Mindanao Command, said pursuing policemen and Marines found the two motorcycles abandoned in Barangay Colonia.

Authorities said there was still no ransom demand from the kidnappers, suspected to be men of Abu Sayyaf leader Puruji Indama. Indama's group was also suspected to be holding captive Joed Anthony Pilanga, a nursing student of Ateneo de Zamboanga University who was snatched here and brought to Basilan last month. A P20-million ransom was demanded for his release.

This city's police chief, Senior Superintendent Lurimer Detran, was earlier relieved from his post due to the spate of kidnappings.
Posted by: Fred || 11/29/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [263 views] Top|| File under: Abu Sayyaf

#1  "The Pick Up Artist", muzzie style. Watch it Friday nights on Al Jazeera TV.
Posted by: ed || 11/29/2008 0:08 Comments || Top||



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