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Iraq-Jordan
Fox reports:Fallujah
Fox is reporting Fallugah is being pounded as we sit here.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/15/2004 9:36:14 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hope "pounded" means what it should mean. If its a couple of pinprick strikes that just happen to be in view of a reporter, then that isn't "pounded".
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/15/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#2  me too laurence. I think of pounding as kinda like the carpet bombing of WWII. I think an example needs too be made of this shithole town.
Posted by: smokeysinse || 10/15/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Tech
Upgrade for Commando Subs to LCS
October 15, 2004: The U.S. Navy is conducting experiments with a SSBN (nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine.) The 16,700 ton, 22 year old USS Georgia is a Trident class boat, and normally carries 24 ballistic missiles, and a crew of 154. But the missiles, and the crewmen and equipment needed to maintain them, have been removed. This has created lots of free space. The original plan was to give navy about 60 SEAL commandos most of the now vacant space, and two of the empty missile silos. The other 22 silos would be loaded with 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles. But that plan is being reconsidered as new equipment becomes available. Better communications gear, and more new UAV, UUV (unmanned subs) and USV (unmanned little ships) designs, create new opportunities. So the Georgia is having a high tech command center built into it, for handling additional robotic recon vehicles, and the operations of the SEALs. This series of submarine alterations and tests at sea is being called "Operation Silent Hammer." 

The nuclear powered Georgia can move, underwater, at a steady rate of about 800 kilometers a day. This means that within a week or ten days, it can reach just about anywhere on earth. Most of the earth's population lives close to the ocean, and the SEAL sub like the Georgia could get to a hot spot, send off robotic recon vehicles and SEALs to quickly check out the situation. Still carrying about a hundred cruise missiles, the Georgia would still have sufficient firepower to take care of many situations. If new work is not found for SSBNs like Georgia, they must be scrapped, in compliance with a nuclear disarmament treaty.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 9:22:19 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fifteen years ago the Navy was looking into what at the time was called the Arsenal Ship. The Georgia and her fellow trident class boats are well suited to the role of being a mobile firepower base. But I wonder how well they would operate close in shore
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/15/2004 16:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I propose using the Georgia to liberate Polyneisa.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
2 New SwiftVet Ads Up
"They Served" and "Why"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:17:29 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does one think Kerry will have a sudden pain from a big bite taken out of his behind, or has Teresa's "cure"* made him so numb that he is oblivious to the world around him?

*



These brave guys really skewered Senator Pompous excellently
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#2  After 9 or 10 of those raisins, Kerry can hardly feel Teresa's strap-on.
Posted by: John Simmins || 10/15/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Jeeze - John Thanks for that image. gaaag.

It will take more than a few glasses of gin to wipe that one away.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Bravo John, that's what I'm saying. You know she's wearing the thigh-high boots with the stilleto heels and he's on all fours barking like a dog and licking the soles.....I need to dry-heave now.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 20:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Jarhead: I'll be sending you my therapy bill for the next decade or so at least.
Posted by: Charles || 10/15/2004 22:09 Comments || Top||

#6  "Mama spank!"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 22:25 Comments || Top||

#7  That image.....
... talk about your WMD.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/15/2004 23:19 Comments || Top||


Europe
Spain slams US ambassador
US ambassador to Spain George Argyros was criticized by the Spanish government on Wednesday for "showing disrespect" after failing to attend Spain's national day celebrations. "The US ambassador should have participated in the celebrations. His absence from it means he is not willing to bend over and take one for the team share the Spanish people's joy and happiness on that day," Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said. A spokesman for Spain's ruling Socialist Workers' Party said Argyros' behavior shows that "he looks down upon Spain and the king."
Er, no it means that we look down on your stupid politicians. I think we're OK with the King.
If our soldiers aren't good enough, neither is our ambassador.
A spokesman for the US embassy to Spain said Ambassador Argyros "did not intend to defy the Spanish government and its king," adding that the ambassador failed to attend the celebrations due to "traffic trouble."
Plus the dog ate our homework.
Spanish King Juan Carlos I and all ambassadors to Spain except Argyros attended the Oct. 12 celebrations.
I hope they had a marvelous time patting each other on the back.
Spanish newspapers reported that Argyros deliberately avoided the festival because of US diplomatic rifts with Spain and reported that the ambassador was on a hunting trip outside Madrid.
Posted by: Destro || 10/15/2004 9:17:21 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is this the Spain’s national day Moratinos is huffing about? I would also have had traffic trouble, but the 24 flu would have been just as good. I think a 4 year vacation would be even better.

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=&D=10/6/2004&ID=45220
The Spanish government snubbed the United States yesterday by cancelling an annual invitation to US troops to join the celebrations of Spain’s national holiday parade and instead invited French soldiers to Madrid. The Spanish defence minister, Jose Bono, told the COPE radio station there would be no Americans in this year’s "fiesta nacional" which commemorates the day on which Christopher Columbus sighted the New World. The national day "is not the national holiday of the United States, and no one is under any obligation to see the flag of another country in the parade, though it was is a friend and an ally for sure," said Mr Bono. "This is in no way an insult nor a sign of contempt towards the United States."
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  I hear that representatives of various Native American groups also failed to attend.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 0:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Well this is the perfect solution to all such problems with excuses. (This works well with employers. ) "I had/have diarrhea." Normally you are not asked what kind and the conversation ends quickly. I recomend this to the good ambassador next time.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 1:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Rantburgers will be interested to look at
this image.
http://www.libertaddigital.com/fotos/noticias/nzapadesfile121003.jpg

It was a year go for the same celkebration. Mr Rodriguez (PM Zapatero's real name) then in the opposition, refused to lift from his seat when the US flaq passed in front of him.
Posted by: JFM || 10/15/2004 1:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Do I care? If Al Andalus is Spain's destiny, who are we to bother interfering?
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 1:58 Comments || Top||

#6  Why do I get the feeling that if Kerry wins, M Rodriguez, aka: Zapatero, will get to have so much fun jerking him around.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:15 Comments || Top||

#7  2b, If Zapatero only!

I don't think sKerry would win. He can't. Not in my reality. That single event would precipitate a 3 centuries long disaster.

I am not saying it would be peachy if sKerry looses. It won't be. But the projections with sKerry at the helm are nothing short of a nightmare.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 4:54 Comments || Top||

#8  it's a frightening prospect! The desperation showed in the last two weeks by the Democrats has made me feel hopeful that this race really isn't as close as we are told.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:59 Comments || Top||

#9  obviously the ambassador boycotted out of sympathy with the Catalans and other minorities, no?
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#10  His absence from it means he is not willing to bend over and take one for the team share the Spanish people’s joy and happiness on that day," Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said.

Funny but has anyone paid attention to M. A. M's bending over when he goes on pilgrimage to Ramallah (Arafat in the Muqata)?
Posted by: Cynic || 10/15/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#11  Was Moratinos Kerry's roommate in diplomacy school?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 10:05 Comments || Top||

#12  2b, you're on to something there.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#13  Yeah... it was... "traffic trouble"... that's the ticket!
Posted by: Amb. Tommy Flanagan || 10/15/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#14  These Socialists in Spain make the French look pro-American. By the way, those two French journalists have still not made their way home. Long live appeasement!
Posted by: Michael Kazmac || 10/15/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#15  Even more cowardly than the Phrawnch, the Spanish will not post their Ambassador's e-mail. But you can send your comments here to let them know whether you would have atended their parade.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#16  LOL SPoD!
"I had/have diarrhea." And I'm washing my hair after that for six months.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:23 Comments || Top||

#17  Even the Soviet Union didn't openly state they were going to support a candidate in our elections . Unlike Zapa.

So, why should we treat Vichy Spain any better than the USSR? Keep the embassy, but there is no reason to actually be diplomatic.
Posted by: jackal || 10/15/2004 21:45 Comments || Top||

#18  Spain, France's, and Germany's behavior in the WoT and esp in Iraq is a precursor of the end for NATO. We will work out bilateral alliances in the future. Nato will be like the ancient polish government, with one veto killing any chance for action when action is needed. Have fun with your al Qaeda brethren, Spain. I feel sorry for your intelligence people, who have to work for the good of the Spanish people, as well as a bunch of thankless appeasing politicians.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:41 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Saddam bankrolled Palestinian terrorists
EFL - HT to Powerline
SADDAM Hussein's links to terrorism have been proven by documents showing he helped to fund the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The PFLP, whose history of terrorism dates back to the "black September" hijackings of 1970, was personally vetted by Saddam to receive oil vouchers worth £40 million. The deal has been uncovered by US investigators, trawling millions of pages of documents showing a network of diplomats bribed by Saddam's regimes, and political parties who qualified for backhanded payments from Baghdad.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is still working its way through 20,000 boxes of documents from Saddam's Baath party discovered only recently, found a list of pressure groups bankrolled by Saddam. Using the United Nations' own oil-for-food scheme - ironically intended as a sanction to control the behaviour of his dictatorship - Saddam gave Awad Ammora & Partners, a Syrian company, two million barrels of oil. Documents handed over to US authorities by a former Iraqi oil minister only four months ago show that this was a front for the PFLP - which was then embarked on a spate of car bombings aimed at Israeli officials. The Iraqi records show only one six-month period - suggesting the payments could go on for much longer. While some allocations to the likes of Russian political parties were not cashed in, the PFLP oil deal was carried out in full.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:01:14 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Whoa! Aloha man stumbles on a live one! This could be a sticker.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Drunk Passenger Picks Wrong Flight to be "Idiot'
A drunk passenger picked the wrong flight on which to cause trouble when fellow travellers on his Singapore Airlines plane to New Zealand included members of a British police rugby league team. When the troublemaker became aggressive and nasty towards other passengers, the cabin crew turned to the police contingent, which included one officer who specialises in airline security. "Really, it was about the worst flight for this guy to be an idiot on," said David Jenkins, the manager of the rugby league team heading to New Zealand for a Test series against their Kiwi counterparts.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/15/2004 8:36:58 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  File under "Stupid Criminals." :-D
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 0:07 Comments || Top||

#2  British police rugby league team. ROFL!!

hmmm...lots of big guys on this flight, I think I'll be an ass ...waitress! Another please. Saaaay, you have some nice boobies... Gulp! ...and another!!

Hey you..ya you...big guy...what are YOU looking at?? Nothing? You calling me nothing??? Ouch..oooh...that hurts!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 6:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Like that old story about some idiots robbing a bar full of cops having a party. Brilliant.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/15/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope they folded this guy neatly and put him in the overhead baggage compartment.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Dar - overhead baggage compartment?
Cargo hold!
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Forces Arrest Chief Falluja Negotiator
Does this mean no more negotiations?
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 10/15/2004 8:12:17 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Snarfed up while trying to haul ass. Heh. Either send them back in or detain until the party's over. Sure, their families can go - if no males over 15 in the group, but these clowns are complicit actors and part of the problem and do not deserve a safety not afforded to the avg Fallujahn.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 8:55 Comments || Top||

#2  send them and their families back in...they need to suffer the consequences of their lies, foot-dragging, and covering for foreign fighters and Baathist killers.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:03 Comments || Top||

#3  well, at least they know the answer.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 9:45 Comments || Top||

#4  I agree with Frank. Send them back in. Let them all suffer the consequences.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/15/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#5  "Unusually Fierce"
Excellent.
Also a good name for a pepper sauce.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Possible South Park Episode Where Kenny Converts to Islam
New episodes of South Park begin later this month.

I'm hoping they will have one where Kenny becomes converts to Islam and becomes a shaheed to take out a saugage truck.

Read the story line at the link.
Posted by: mhw || 10/15/2004 8:04:38 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Why not Kenny has already been killed repeatedly, Gone to Hell. What ever it will be good and I will watch it if it's not on during Inuyasha.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 8:10 Comments || Top||

#2  I love how the other kids have gotten used to Kenny dying, eventually not even noticing it.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 9:00 Comments || Top||

#3  You mean they killed Kenny? The BASTARDS!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/15/2004 9:14 Comments || Top||

#4  I think the story will have to acknowledge that Kenny is reincarnated which will bring a Hindu theme into the episode. They already have had episodes where they say that God is a Bhuddist rat and that the 'correct' religion is Mormon.
Posted by: mhw || 10/15/2004 9:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh my God! They converted Kenny! You bastards!
Posted by: BH || 10/15/2004 9:37 Comments || Top||

#6  that the 'correct' religion is Mormon.

Have you seen the episode in which Mormons move to town? Not exactly flattering to the LDS.

Of course, they could work in another "Super Best Friends" story, since Buddha was a member...
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 10:45 Comments || Top||

#7  RC
you must be a south park fan like myself

yes I saw the Mormons move to town episode

very funny especially the 'dumb, dumb, dumb' song

i think Josiah Smith is already a super friend - in the episode about Blainotheism I think the Josiah Smith character was worried that Blaine followers were growing almost as fast as Mormons
Posted by: mhw || 10/15/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||

#8  The funniest part about the Blaine Followers episode:
"How do we kill a giant statue of Abraham Lincoln?"
"A giant statue of John Wilkes Booth?"
Posted by: Charles || 10/15/2004 22:12 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
More on Fraudulent Registrations from the Washington Times
Anti-Bush registration drive stirs fraud concern
A coalition of liberal groups committed to defeating President Bush has spent more than $100 million orchestrating the largest voter-registration drive in U.S. history, raising concerns of widespread voter fraud in 14 battleground states. At the same time, Democratic Party officials are gearing up to challenge unfavorable Election Day results in a number of states through "pre-emptive strikes," charging that Republicans prevented minorities from voting even before any such incidents are confirmed. Working under the banner "America Votes," the 32-member coalition — led by the anti-Bush America Coming Together (ACT), the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) and MoveOn.org — has played a key role in what election officials have called a massive increase in registered voters nationwide.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 7:58:17 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DO democrats/liberals hate Bush so much that they are willing to abuse its laws to destroy the foundations of our Republic?

They are attacking the very basis for Democracy in the nation: the faith of the voters in the election system. And they are doing so cynically and fraudulently.

Its "any means neccesary", just like Joe Stalin, Pol Pot - any means to achieve their ends. Immoral. Evil. Despicable that Americans would destroy the nation in order to achieve power. This is the same evil that Nixon was vilified for.

And there is not a peep coming from the Kerry camp nor the Democratic Party about these actions by the lunatic fringe.

Where is our free press to point this out?

What the hell happened to the Democratic party?
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#2 
And there is not a peep coming from the Kerry camp nor the Democratic Party about these actions by the lunatic fringe.


You're assuming it's coming from the lunatic fringe.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#3  you're also assuming the lunatic fringe is distinct and independent from the Kedwards kamp
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#4  OS,

Do not minimize the stakes for the wacko wing of the Democrat Party. If they loose this election, they could be frozen out of power for a long time. Control of the final branch of government, the Supreme Court, could pass from its shakey 5 vote liberal majority to a solid strict constructionist majority that would last at least a decade. After 2008 there will be another redistricting that will move more legislative districts and electoral votes into Red states. The politicians who cut their teeth on Viet Nam are coming to the end of their careers. They do not want them to end in the minority without a new generation of sychophants to pick up the torch. It has slowly been going on for 20 years. Even Clinton only co-existed with it, loosing control of the House when he tried to implement socialized medicine; he did nothing to roll it back. So now they are looking into the dark abyss and yes, they will do anything for power.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#5  OS, There are a number of events in the last few years after which nothing was the same: (1) Watergate where the press pulled down a sitting president, (2) the rejection of Robert Bork for "political" reasons, (3) the politicizations of all executive branch agencies, especially FBI and CIA, during the Clinton Administration, (4)the filibustering of judicial appointments, etc

The partisanship in the press is a continuation of past performance. It is not surprising to me that the LLL would cheat in registrations and at the ballot box. I see the attitude in the LLL of defeat the right at all costs. All costs means all costs.
Posted by: SR71 || 10/15/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Islamic Army in Iraq threatens Italian nationals: website
The Islamic Army in Iraq, a militant group which kidnapped and executed an Italian journalist, threatened to target all Italian nationals in Iraq unless Rome withdraws its troops from the country, according to a message posted on the group's website. "We warn the Italian people and their government to withdraw their troops and businesses from Iraq," said the statement, posted alongside photographs of Enzo Baldoni, the journalist who was shot dead by his captors in August. "Any soldier, any investor, business owner or civil servant will suffer the same fate" as Baldoni, the group said in a "statement to the Italian people" posted on the site http://happynow.jeeran.com/b3htm.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 10/15/2004 7:43:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So how are they going to do this: ask each potential kidnapee his/her nationality, then throw back those not on today's list?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/16/2004 0:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Islamic Army in Iraq has an italian speaking jihadi in their ranks. Only italian speaking that is. That's what he recognizes. Therefore, that narrows down their choice of kidnapees.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/16/2004 0:45 Comments || Top||

#3  So AFP is now in the business of publicising terrorist web sites.
Posted by: ed || 10/16/2004 1:07 Comments || Top||

#4  ed, if AFP only... It's MSM at large. [spit]
Posted by: Memesis || 10/16/2004 1:19 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm sorry, I've forgotten, where are those French journalists again?
Posted by: 2b || 10/16/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Sheesh! Jet crashes in my back yard.
Well actually it was about a half mile away, but still! :/
Jefferson City (Missouri), Oct. 15 (AP): A small jet with no passengers went down in a residential area in this central Missouri city, damaging a building, authorities said. Only the pilot and co-pilot were aboard the CRJ2, a two-engine regional jet that could seat up to 50 people, when it crashed yesterday in Jefferson City, police Capt. Michael Smith, said. There was no immediate information about injuries, either to anyone in the plane or on the ground in the neighbourhood a few kilometers east of downtown. The plane damaged a building, but Smith said today that the structure was not believed to be a house. "As of yet, we have recovered no bodies," Smith said. Neither major hospital in the city reported receiving victims from the crash.

Smith said the plane was apparently experiencing engine problems when it went down last night. The plane was operated by Memphis-based Pinnacle Airlines, a regional carrier affiliated with Northwest Airlines, Northwest spokesman Kurt Ebenhouch said.
Posted by: RJB in JC MO || 10/15/2004 7:35:07 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I told you not to put out your Christmas lights so early. "They'll think they're landing lights, " I said. But would you listen? Hell, no!
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#2  C'mon Dar, those are Halloween lights I tell ya! :D
Posted by: RJB in JC MO || 10/15/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Tell me again about the Great Pumpkin and his eight reindeer?
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesia's nightspots ordered to close for Ramadan
The Islamic fasting month of Ramadan started yesterday and the Indonesian entertainment industry is grumbling over local edicts to close nightclubs, massage parlours and amusement centres for the entire period. Jakarta masseur Rini Widowati said she would observe the fast, but grumbled about a city order that shut down her establishment. 'It sucks,' Ms Widowati said, adding that although she would continue to get her basic salary, she would not earn any of the tips that make up most of her pay. Restaurants can open during the day, though most hang thick curtains over their windows. Under Jakarta's decree, issued in 2002, all of the city's thousands of massage parlours, freestanding nightclubs, bars and karaoke rooms have to close for the month. Discos in five-star hotels can stay open but with limited hours. The same curb applies to restaurants featuring live bands so long as they serve alcohol 'discreetly'.

Administrations around the country have issued similar edicts. Some have taken the enforcement of the ban into their own hands. In 2001, Islamic militants launched nightly raids on clubs that flouted the ban during Ramadan. But since the 2002 Bali bombings, those groups have disbanded amid a crackdown on extremists. It is unclear how effective this year's ban will be. City officials and police, who are responsible for its enforcement, are notorious for taking bribes in exchange for turning a blind eye. In the seedy Blora nightclub district of central Jakarta, a handwritten notice hanging on the door of one bar announces it will be closed for just three days. Aphrodite Bar and Restaurant, which is popular with foreigners, has covered up its trademark statue of the nude Greek goddess of love with a silk cloth - but plans to open as normal. But some bar and restaurant owners say they are undaunted by the government restrictions, or the possibility of threats by militant groups. 'It's a nuisance,' said a cafe owner on Jaksa Street, a popular haunt of foreign backpackers. 'But I refuse to change my business. Everyone has a right to his freedom.'
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 10/15/2004 7:34:59 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Indonesia’s nightspots ordered to close for Ramadan"

Of course they were. Did anyone expect otherwise? Totally phreakin' obvious.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 23:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Steyn: The Man in the Muddle
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'It's a different kind of war,' says Kerry. 'You have to understand it's not the sands of Iwo Jima.' That's true. But Kerry's mistake is in assuming that because it's not Iwo Jima, it's somehow less of a war. Until recently we thought of 'asymmetrical warfare' as something the natives did with machetes against the colonialist occupier. But in fact the roles have been reversed. These days, your average Western power — Germany, Canada, Belgium — is utterly incapable of projecting conventional military might to, say, Saudi Arabia or the Pakistani tribal lands. But a dozen young Saudi or Pakistani males with a little cash, some debit cards and the right phone numbers in their address books can project themselves to Frankfurt, Ottawa or Antwerp very easily and to devastating effect. That's the lesson of 9/11.
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#1  Need a non registration link.... Anyone?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Is it regsitered yet?
fishwrap@ ?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Here's the full text:

These days the most devastating profiles of John Kerry are the puff pieces. Take, for example, last weekend’s New York Times magazine, in which Matt Bai attempted to argue that the Nuancy Boy is a kind of strategic genius who was on to this whole terror thing a decade before anybody else. That line of argument gets a little tiring, so midway through Mr Bai included this relaxing interlude:


A row of Evian water bottles had been thoughtfully placed on a nearby table. Kerry frowned.

‘Can we get any of my water?’ he asked Stephanie Cutter, his communications director, who dutifully scurried from the room. I asked Kerry, out of sheer curiosity, what he didn’t like about Evian.

‘I hate that stuff,’ Kerry explained to me. ‘They pack it full of minerals.’

‘What kind of water do you drink?’ I asked, trying to make conversation.

‘Plain old American water,’ he said.

‘You mean tap water?’

‘No,’ Kerry replied deliberately. He seemed now to sense some kind of trap. I was left to imagine what was going through his head. If I admit that I drink bottled water, then he might say I’m out of touch with ordinary voters. But doesn’t demanding my own brand of water seem even more aristocratic? Then again, Evian is French — important to stay away from anything even remotely French.

‘There are all kinds of waters,’ he said finally. Pause. ‘Saratoga Spring.’ This seemed to have exhausted his list. ‘Sometimes I drink tap water,’ he added.

You can lead a horse-face to water, but you can’t make him drink. Not in this election. Imagine the strain of being unable to answer a simple question of beverage preference without flipping through the old mental Rolodex to calibrate the least politically damaging answer. Water, water everywhere, but gotta stop to think, to quote The Rime Of The Ancient Swift Boat Mariner. If George W. Bush happened to enjoy Evian, I don’t think he’d be averse to telling us. I certainly wouldn’t. I dislike France for geopolitical reasons, but I like the wine and the food. I like the women. I especially like the cute little girl bellhops in the Ruritanian uniforms at the Plaza Athenée. But John Kerry has invested so much in his imaginary friend in the Elysée Palace you can’t even ask him, ‘Hey, bud, what’ll you drink?’ without him wondering whether you’re impugning his patriotism. So ask a simple question and get a lot of, as it were, tap dancing.

In the debates, it’s easier. He and John Edwards know they have to sound tough, so their writers generally provide them with a line pledging to ‘hunt down and kill the terrorists’. But it’s exhausting having to remember when to spit out the tough talk and not to get caught in some fake-o water-gate controversy, and so your concentration wanders and you get relaxed and then you say things like this:

‘We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they’re a nuisance. As a former law-enforcement person, I know we’re never going to end prostitution. We’re never going to end illegal gambling. But we’re going to reduce it, organised crime, to a level where it isn’t on the rise.’

So the Senator has now made what was hitherto just a cheap crack from his opponents into formal policy: the Democrats are the September 10 party.

The ‘I’ll hunt down and kill America’s enemies’ line was written for him and planted on his lips. The ‘It’s just a nuisance like prostitution’ line is his, and how he really thinks of the issue. What an odd analogy. Your average jihadist won’t take kindly to having his martyrdom operation compared with the decadent infidels’ sex industry, but the rest of us shouldn’t be that happy about it either. Kerry is correct in the sense that even if you dispatched every constable in the land to crack down on prostitution, there’d still be some pox-ridden whore somewhere giving someone a ride for ten bucks. But, on the other hand, applying the Kerry prostitute approach to terrorists would seem to leave rather a lot of them in place. In Boston, where he served as a ‘law-enforcement person’, the Yellow Pages are full of lavish display ads for ‘escort services’. The other day, the Boston Phoenix did a lame hit piece on me, in which, if you could stay awake through the wet cement of the guy’s prose, the main beef was that I was not a ‘respectable commentator’ like David Brooks of the New York Times. ‘Respectability’ seems a weird obsession for a fellow who writes for an ‘alternative’ newspaper funded by ads for transsexual hookers whose particular charms are spelled out at length, so to speak. In other words, while you can make an argument for a ‘managerial’ approach to terrorism, the analogy with prostitution sounds more like an undeclared surrender. This is aside from the basic defect of the argument: if some gal in your apartment building is working as a prostitute, that’s a nuisance — condoms in the elevator, dodgy johns in the lobby; if Islamists seize the schoolhouse and kill your kids, even if it only happens once every couple of years, ‘nuisance’ doesn’t quite cover it.

So the choice of analogy is revealing and, as Kerry says, we’ve been here before. Every so often, back in the Nineties, al-Qa’eda blew up some military housing, a ship, a couple of embassies, etc., and the Clinton team shrugged it off as a nuisance. No matter how flamboyantly Osama bin Laden sashayed down the sidewalk in his fishnets and miniskirt he couldn’t catch the Administration’s eye. In 2000, after 17 sailors were killed on the USS Cole, the defense secretary Bill Cohen said the attack ‘was not sufficiently provocative’ to warrant a response.

So Osama tried again, on September 11 2001. And this time, like the ads in the Boston Phoenix, he was very provocative. And that’s the point: even if you take the Kerry doctrine as seriously as the New York Times does, the nuance of nuisance depends largely on the terrorists. When all they could do was kill a few dozen here, a few hundred there, they were a ‘nuisance’ to Clinton, Cohen, Kerry and co; when they came up with a plan that killed thousands, they became something more than a nuisance. But that change in status was determined largely by them. They might go back to being a mere nuisance for 2005, just blowing up a US consulate hither and yon in places no one much cares about. But in 2006 they might loose a dirty bomb in Chicago and upgrade to über-nuisance again. The Kerry doctrine leaves it in their hands. And, in this kind of war, if you’re not on the offensive, you’re losing.

That’s what John Kerry means when he says ‘we have to get back to the place we were’ — back to the Nineties. Mem’ries light the corners of his mind, misty watercolour mem’ries of the way we were, but the reason they’re misty watercolours is that we didn’t see clearly what was going on. It wasn’t just the nuisance of the biennial embassy bombing, it was the terrorist annexation of flop states and the thousands upon thousands of young Muslim men graduating from al-Qa’eda’s training camps and then heading off wherever the jihad calls. The British Muslim discovered among the Beslan gang, for example: if you downgrade the war to a ‘nuisance’, is that the sort of cross-border trend you’re likely to spot?

‘It’s a different kind of war,’ says Kerry. ‘You have to understand it’s not the sands of Iwo Jima.’ That’s true. But Kerry’s mistake is in assuming that because it’s not Iwo Jima, it’s somehow less of a war. Until recently we thought of ‘asymmetrical warfare’ as something the natives did with machetes against the colonialist occupier. But in fact the roles have been reversed. These days, your average Western power — Germany, Canada, Belgium — is utterly incapable of projecting conventional military might to, say, Saudi Arabia or the Pakistani tribal lands. But a dozen young Saudi or Pakistani males with a little cash, some debit cards and the right phone numbers in their address books can project themselves to Frankfurt, Ottawa or Antwerp very easily and to devastating effect. That’s the lesson of 9/11.

So, for all that Bush is accused of being ‘stubborn’, it’s Kerry who refuses to change. He is, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer in their endorsement of the Senator this week, ‘alert to fresh global challenges, yet rooted in the approaches that made the 1990s so productive’. Well, they’re half right. He’s certainly rooted in the approaches of the Nineties, so rooted that he can’t pull himself up and move on, despite the fact that last week’s report of the Iraq Survey Group completely demolishes every prop of the Kerry world-view. When a man keeps telling you it doesn’t count unless the French and the UN are on board, he’s either a fool or a liar — because no serious person can spend 15 minutes on this issue without understanding that the French state at every level, and quasi-state pillars such as TotalFinaElf, were to all intents and purposes Saddam’s concubines, and that the UN Oil-for-Fraud programme had been transformed into the regime’s most reliable Weapon of Mass Destruction.

The attempt to talk the Senator up into a foreign-policy genius is sounding ever more loopy. ‘He was getting it,’ says Richard Clarke, the embittered Clinton-Bush terrorism ‘czar’ who now supports Kerry. ‘And the “it” here was that there was a new non-state-actor threat, and that non-state-actor threat was a blended threat that didn’t fit neatly into the box of organised criminal, or neatly into the box of terrorism.’

Yes, but what does that mean? Even if he does get the ‘it’ that nobody else is getting, what difference does it make if he doesn’t do anything about it? The ‘blended threat’ may not fit neatly into the box, but Kerry fits in there perfectly neatly — the box of complacent assumptions about the Security Council, the EU, the G8 — and he’s so snug he has no intention of climbing out.

It seems to me that John Edwards has the right idea. In the gym of Newton High School in Iowa this week, he skipped the dreary Kerry-as-foreign-policy-genius pitch and cut straight to the Second Coming. ‘We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and other debilitating diseases,’ he assured the crowd and, warming to his theme, turned to the death last weekend of Christopher (Superman) Reeve. ‘When John Kerry is president, people like Chris Reeve are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.’ Read his lips: No new crutches. Now that’s a campaign promise. President Kerry may be paralysed by nuance, but no one else will be. The healing balm of the Massachusetts Messiah will bring the crippled and stricken to their feet, which is more than Kerry’s speeches ever do. Just because he can’t choose his water doesn’t mean he can’t walk on it.

In its own way, this is easier to swallow than the Richard Clarke line. The notion that he can perform miracles on the wheelchair-bound requires no more of a suspension of disbelief than that he can turn back the clock to September 10.

This has been a very dispiriting election, mainly because one party simply refuses to make any intelligent contribution to the debate. John Howard’s splendid victory down under came about at least in part because of the laziness of the Left — Mark Latham’s Labor party offered a new face with not a single new idea. In the US, the Democrats have gone one further — peddling an old face with old ideas on the theory that Americans are worn out by the wild ride of the Bush years and really do long to ‘get back to where they were’, back to September 10, to the summer of shark attacks and missing Congressional interns. But all that going back to September 10 means is that you’ll have to learn the lessons of the morning after all over again: I do believe that if clueless, complacent Kerry won, more Americans — and Britons and Canadians and Australians and Europeans — will die in terrorist ‘nuisances’.

But he won’t win. Because enough Americans understand that going back to where we were means a return to polite fictions and dangerous illusions. You can’t put that world back together.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/15/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#4  fishwrap@rantburg.com
Password: rantburg

When you register for a site, use it. That way other Rantburgers will be able to access the same site.
Posted by: Fred || 10/15/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Okay

/end secret sign
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:24 Comments || Top||

#6  No! Wait a second! I think it should be Troon fishwrap@rantburg.com
it's easier to remember.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#7  We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they’re a nuisance. As a former law-enforcement person, I know we’re never going to end prostitution. We’re never going to end illegal gambling. But we’re going to reduce it, organised crime, to a level where it isn’t on the rise.’ .....snip... But, on the other hand, applying the Kerry prostitute approach to terrorists would seem to leave rather a lot of them in place. In Boston, where he served as a ‘law-enforcement person’, the Yellow Pages are full of lavish display ads for ‘escort services’. The other day, the Boston Phoenix did a lame hit piece on me, ....the main beef was that I was not a ‘respectable commentator’ like David Brooks of the New York Times. ‘Respectability’ seems a weird obsession for a fellow who writes for an ‘alternative’ newspaper funded by ads for transsexual hookers whose particular charms are spelled out at length, so to speak. In other words, while you can make an argument for a ‘managerial’ approach to terrorism, the analogy with prostitution sounds more like an undeclared surrender.

What a SLAM!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 18:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Terrorism is a nuisance? Maybe for the French. Sure it exciting for Jacques to watch the falling WTC and dead American bodies the first time. But after the 18th destroyed skyscraper and 100th blown up airliner, it becomes such a nuisance. Kerry is a dangerous Assbite.
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
D. C. Muslim activist sentenced to 23 years
A federal court Friday sentenced a Muslim activist to the maximum 23 years for breaking financial sanctions on Libya and lying in tax and immigration forms. Abdurahman Alamoudi, an Eritrean-born naturalized U.S. citizen, was sentenced to 276 months by Judge Claude M. Hilton in Alexandria district court. On July 30, 2004, Alamoudi pleaded guilty to violating the law prohibiting unlicensed travel to and commerce with Libya, making false statements on his application for naturalization and concealing his financial transactions with Libya and foreign bank accounts from the IRS.

As part of his plea agreement, the Justice Department said, Alamoudi agreed to cooperate in an ongoing investigation into an alleged Libyan plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah. Alamoudi became a naturalized citizen in 1996. He is the founder and former executive director of the American Muslim Council (AMC), the founder of the American Muslim Foundation (AMF), and was an influential member of other Islamic political and charitable organizations, and was invited to the White House in 2
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 5:54:14 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And no wife-beating conjugal visits.
Posted by: jackal || 10/15/2004 21:56 Comments || Top||

#2  invited to the White House in 2000.

that would be the Clinton White House.

When Abdurahman Alamoudi, friend and sometime adviser on Islamic affairs to Hillary Rodham Clinton, stood before a Muslim crowd in Lafayette Park across from the White House this week and passionately declared his support for the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, he was revealing the true face of "moderate" Islam.
He was also revealing the blindness, or rather the willful complicity, of America's political elites, particularly the Clintons, who have welcomed these Islamic "moderates" into our midst and helped raise them to important positions of influence in American life.

link

Posted by: 2b || 10/16/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Select few 'can identify liars'
A University of San Francisco study found only 31 people out of 13,000 could identify in nearly all cases when someone was lying. ... The study said the wizards [human lie detector] had a "natural talent" although they were highly motivated and tended to be older. Police, lawyers and FBI agents were all among the groups who were unable to tell if people were lying.
Tap, tap. No. not a smidget of a movement. Stuck or sumtin'?
Lawyers... what a fine species of humanity. Lying is their modus vivendi, they must presume by default that everyone else is lying, for their lack of imagination, hence any discerning ability is removed from their mindscape. Police and FBI do not lag far behind, but that is more of a professional deformation than a lifelong credo.

The wizards' success rate was even higher than the traditional polygraph test, which is used in the US and is claimed to have a 60% to 70% success rate.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 5:38:53 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The only exception was subjects observing John Kerry. Those who could see his lips move or hear his voice could determine that he was lying.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#2  I've been identifying liars for years.
These are the tell-tale characteristics:
white male over 50
elaborately coiffed hair
expensive suit
face seen frequently on network tv around 5:30 PM, CDT.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#3  You forgot: mouth is moving...
Posted by: badanov || 10/15/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I can almost always tell when someone is lying. They hesitate in the wrong places and emphasise the wrong words. The real give away is the unnecessary and unexpected details.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Flu shot seekers get dose of reality
It's the question of the week: Who will be able to get a flu shot this year, and when? Health officials announced a plan to allocate the nation's limited supply of 22.4 million doses of Aventis Pasteur vaccine that has not yet been distributed to nursing homes, hospitals, medical groups and public health departments serving high-risk people, but details on where it's going are sketchy. One thing for sure is that it will go out in a trickle, not a flood. The first 14 million doses will be sent out over the next 6-8 weeks, at the rate of about 3 million doses a week, said Patrick Libbey, director of the National Association of County and City Health Officials. (Related story: Experts answer questions about the flu shortage)

Thousands of flu clinics were canceled last week, and some state and local health departments said they have no vaccine at all, after Chiron announced that its license to make flu vaccine at its Liverpool, England, plant had been suspended by British authorities because of contamination concerns. Chiron was not able to deliver the 46 million to 48 million doses of vaccine it had promised, abruptly cutting the expected U.S. vaccine supply roughly in half.
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Europe
Germany Nabs Suspected al-Qaida Financier
Authorites on Friday arrested a Syrian-German businessman who is wanted by Spain on charges he helped fund the al-Qaida terrorist network for years and who appeared in a wedding video at a mosque with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, German officials said. Mamoun Darkazanli, 46, was taken into custody in Hamburg on a Spanish warrant and is being held for possible extradition, city judicial spokeswoman Sabine Westphalen told The Associated Press. Darkazanli was questioned by German police shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States after it emerged that three of the suicide hijackers lived and studied in Hamburg. He was freed for lack of evidence and continued to live in the German port city.

His Hamburg-based trading company was has been labeled a front for terrorism by the Bush administration. Darkazanli was one of the first people to appear on U.S. suspect lists after Sept. 11, but has denied any links to bin Laden or the attacks. Spanish authorities allege that Darkazanli was "one of the key figures of the al-Qaida terror network" and "the permanent contact person and assistant of Osama bin Laden in Germany," Hamburg authorities said in a statement.
Gosh, you mean Bush was right?
He is accused of giving logistical and financial support to the network in Spain, Germany and Britain since 1997, the statement said. The U.S. Treasury Department ordered a freeze of his personal assets and those held by his import-export company. German officials followed suit and placed him under formal investigation, but until now have been unable to arrest him for lack of evidence. He first caught the attention of German investigators in 1998 when they learned he had power of attorney over a German bank account opened by bin Laden's suspected financial chief, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim.
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Britain
The making of the terror myth
This is very p[owerful. Do not read unless your tin foil hat is properly secured. EFL
Since September 11 Britain has been warned of the 'inevitability' of catastrophic terrorist attack. But has the danger been exaggerated? A major new TV documentary claims that the perceived threat is a politically driven fantasy - and al-Qaida a dark illusion. Andy Beckett reports (for the Guardian)

Since the attacks on the United States in September 2001, there have been more than a thousand references in British national newspapers, working out at almost one every single day, to the phrase "dirty bomb". There have been articles about how such a device can use ordinary explosives to spread lethal radiation; about how London would be evacuated in the event of such a detonation; about the Home Secretary David Blunkett's statement on terrorism in November 2002 that specifically raised the possibility of a dirty bomb being planted in Britain; and about the arrests of several groups of people, the latest only last month, for allegedly plotting exactly that.

Starting next Wednesday, BBC2 is to broadcast a three-part documentary series that will add further to what could be called the dirty bomb genre. But, as its title suggests, The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear takes a different view of the weapon's potential. "I don't think it would kill anybody," says Dr Theodore Rockwell, an authority on radiation, in an interview for the series. "You'll have trouble finding a serious report that would claim otherwise." The American department of energy, Rockwell continues, has simulated a dirty bomb explosion, "and they calculated that the most exposed individual would get a fairly high dose [of radiation], not life-threatening." And even this minor threat is open to question. The test assumed that no one fled the explosion for one year.
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Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 4:37:58 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is true for the same reasons a 'major incident' at a nuclear power station would be unlikely to kill anyone. The danger of exposure to radioactive material is vastly overstated. Nonetheless both would cause a major panic reaction by thousands/millions. And hence achieve its result - instill fear in people.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/15/2004 20:05 Comments || Top||

#2  That's just great. I suppose next they'll tell us the ongoing war agains Oceania is a hoax. War is Peace! Ignorance is Strength!
Posted by: SteveS || 10/15/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't have a tinfoil hat. What purpose does it serve?

The Gaza reporter of the BBC World Service radio seems to be moving away from the term 'militants' to describe terrorists. Now the Hamas members launching Kassam rockets at Israeli towns are called 'fighters'.

I'm beginning to really hate the BBC.
Posted by: Bryan || 10/15/2004 21:52 Comments || Top||

#4  The WoT in this country and the UK is like facilities maintenance. People working their asses off behind the scenes to prevent a disaster. When a bunch of brainless whiners say, "What is the big deal, nothing happened!" they do not realize how many disasters were prevented. Then if something happens, they grandstand and blame everyone. Someone needs to shove a truth suppository up their ass.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||

#5  I've reached the point where I figure they will get what they "deserve" - and the old saw applies: the cops and intel have to get everything right every time to stop acts of terror, the bad guys only once. I can only hope that when it happens, it impacts these experts to a far greater degree than the poor avg Brits who don't know what to believe or who to listen to. Life can, indeed, be a bitch.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 23:37 Comments || Top||

#6  I know EXACTLY how you feel, .com. I have though the same dark thoughts. If this country elects some traitor like Kerry and gets its guard down, collectively we will get what we deserve, but individually nobody deserves to get destroyed like 3000 people did on 9-11.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:44 Comments || Top||

#7  Spot-on, AP.

I wonder how long the bubble of good luck will last. Not counting the Dhimmidick antics we're likely to see, just the real jihadi shit, I expect soon after the election. I believe the bubble's life has been artificially extended becuase they're waiting to see who wins.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 23:50 Comments || Top||

#8  I have to say it again I am all for beating the holy crap out of a few reporters so they wake up and "get it." God knows enough of them deserve it for their treasons against the people they are supposed to inform.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 23:50 Comments || Top||

#9  Al Guardian is definitely promoting their shop-worn LLL agenda with this piece. SPo'D - focus on their editors / owners -- that's who maintains the agenda and has last word on what gets printed.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 23:56 Comments || Top||

#10  I find no small irony in the people (collectively) who got us into this situation (argument why high oil prices fund terror here) in the first place by their irrational and hysterical arguments stopping nuclear power. Are now pointing out the arguments (about the dangers of radiation from terrorists exploding a dirty bomb) are irrational and hysterical.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/16/2004 0:15 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
KRS-One sez America needs to die
If Osama bin Laden ever buys a rap album, he'll probably start with a CD by KRS-One. The hip-hop anarchist has declared his solidarity with al-Qaida by asserting that he and other African-Americans "cheered when 9-11 happened," reports the New York Daily News.
The ones I know mourned.
The rapper, real name Kris Parker, defiled the memory of those who died in the terrorist attacks as he spouted off at a recent New Yorker Festival panel discussion. "I say that proudly," the Boogie Down Productions founder went on, insisting that, before the attack, security guards kept Blacks out of the World Trade Center "because of the way we talk and dress.
Then his lips fell off.
"So when the planes hit the building, we were like, 'Mmmm - justice.' " The atrocity of 9-11 "doesn't affect us the hip-hop community," he said. "9-11 happened to them, not us," he added, explaining that by "them" he meant "the rich ... those who are oppressing us. RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations." Parker also sneered at efforts by other rappers to get young people to vote. "Voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption," he added. "America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place."
That's called sedition, isn't it?
Posted by: Korora || 10/15/2004 4:36:12 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can he lead by example?
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/15/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Interesting how a multi-millionaire rapper, whose idea of struggle is trying to decide whether to wear the 1 pound or 2 pound gold chain. BJ-One here wants to become the next Madonna. How derivative. What's next? A picture book called "SEX" showing him cavorting with his male dancers?
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||

#3  If he doesnt liek it, he is more than welcome to leave - I'd suggest dropping him off over in Fallujah. Have him discuss it with the Zarqawi types there - and then the Marines.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 22:12 Comments || Top||

#4  OldSpook: I think that's way too nice. I'd drop him in Basra instead.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/15/2004 22:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Hell just drop his butt into Watts or South Central LA without his "homies" He would last about 5.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#6  ...they could do that...or someone could just walk up and shoot him in the head when he leaves a hotel.
Posted by: Destro || 10/15/2004 23:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Nono, we must leave a message...he should be castrated and then nailed to the nearest handy large object. There are so many good torture techniques that have nothing to do with information and everything to do with simply hurting them as much as possible.

But remember, this is a joke, we would NEVER advocate violence, mayhem, torture or common sense. Didn't Alec Baldwin claim that after saying people should be stoned to death? We should simply take their words as said and reverse them.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 10/16/2004 0:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Hmmmm A plastic tube, gerbil and some duct tape?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/16/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||

#9  That's funny, I used to live where lots of African Americans would pass by my house on their way to work. And after 911, I saw these guys (and girls) in their dungarees sporting flags on their tee shirts and hard hats.

But, I bet the rapper's making more money in an hour than they did in a year by selling them out. Too bad money can't buy happiness. Thank you all of Hollywood for standing as a testament to reminding us of that fact.
Posted by: 2b || 10/16/2004 9:07 Comments || Top||

#10  "9-11 happened to them, not us," he added, explaining that by "them" he meant "the rich ... those who are oppressing us. RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations."

...then he got in his limo and was driven away.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/16/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Interview with Col. Bud Day
America's Most Highly Decorated Living Veteran Calls Kerry 'a Man of Benedict Arnold Qualities'
Col. George E. "Bud" Day is America's most highly decorated living veteran officer. He served in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, receiving more than 50 combat awards and the Congressional Medal of Honor. What he wants now is to stop John Kerry from being elected President.

Day traveled from his home in Florida to Washington, D.C., last week to participate in the filming of two new ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. In one of the spots, he directly addresses Kerry: "How can you expect our sons and daughters to follow you, when you condemned their fathers and grandfathers?"

In the early 1970s, when Kerry was meeting with America's Communist enemies in Paris and falsely claiming to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that U.S. forces in Vietnam were committing war crimes on a day-to-day basis, Day was a POW, languishing in a North Vietnamese prison. During his five-plus years of captivity he was brutally tortured. Now he is one of several former POWs featured in Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal, a documentary about the effect of the anti-war movement on American POWs in Vietnam. The film, which portrays John Kerry in an unsympathetic light, will soon air in part on 62 broadcast stations owned by the Sinclair Broadcast Group, despite loud protests from the Kerry camp. Many of the company's stations are in swing states.
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Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 4:34:27 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks TW, this guy's military background is truly remarkable. God Bless the good Colonel.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Hand Salute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: anymouse || 10/15/2004 20:26 Comments || Top||

#3  We know what a hero JOhn KErry is. How about Bud Day?

DAY, GEORGE E.

Rank and organization: Colonel (then Major), U.S. Air Force, Forward Air Controller Pilot of an F-100 aircraft. Place and date: North Vietnam, 26 August 1967. Entered service at: Sioux City, Iowa. Born: 24 February 1925, Sioux City, Iowa. Citation: On 26 August 1967, Col. Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places, and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance, Col. Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket, he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the aid of a bamboo log float, Col. Day swam across the river and entered the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information to questions put before him. Physically, Col. Day was totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against the enemy. Col. Day's conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.

This man deserves to be heard.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||

#4  I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Colonel Day in the O Club at Brooks AFB in 1976. As a brash young captain, struck by seeing that much blue (Medal of Honor + Air Force Cross) that high in the ribbon cluster, I initiated a conversation and quickly discovered that Colonel Day is more than a hero, he is a true gentleman. He was, and is, one of America's finest.
Posted by: RWV || 10/15/2004 21:16 Comments || Top||


Europe
Spain justifies calls for new EU line on Cuba
Spain is to try to persuade its partners in the European Union to modify policy towards Cuba, on the grounds that it is not working, a senior government minister said Friday. Her statement follows a controversy over remarks made by the Spanish ambassador in Havana which led Cuban dissidents to walk out of a Spanish national day reception there last week. Carlos Alonso Zaldivar told his guests that the Socialist government elected this year had embarked on "a reflection" with EU partners to find a way out of the present "deeply unsatisfactory" state of relations with Cuba. "We want to move beyond the current situation and resume dialogue with all political and social sectors" in Cuba, the ambassador had said.

In June 2003 the EU adopted diplomatic sanctions against Cuba after the arrest of 75 disidents, protesting against the heavy sentences passed on them and the execution of three Cubans who were trying to flee the country. Among the EU measures was a decision to invite dissidents to embassy receptions to mark national days. "The only thing we highlighted is that it is proper to work, as is already the case, in the framework of the EU to modify a policy which so far has shown istelf fairly ineffective," Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega, deputy prime minister, told reporters after the weekly cabinet meeting. She said the "basic aim" of the government headed by Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is "the defence of human rights" in Cuba, arguing that government policy towards Cuba and dissidents "has been very clear over the last years and remains so today."

Zapatero sought to play down the embassy incident in Hungary Friday saying that it was government policy to "demand firmly and strongly" change in Cuba, while acknowledging that Madrid wants sanctions against Cuba eased. He also restated Spain's "open disagreement with the human rights and liberties policy of the regime of Fidel Castro." The opposition conservative Popular Party called Thursday on Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos to apologise to the dissidents or fire the ambassador "immediately".
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 4:34:17 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The only thinkg that will work is to starve the Castro brothers to death. If Spain gives any support to the Castro's it proves they have fecal matter where grey matter should be.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 19:51 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran Wants Guarantee of No 'Regime Change'-Diplomats (lol)
Iran might be willing to give up its uranium enrichment capabilities but it wants many things in return -- above all a guarantee that no one will try to topple the Islamic regime, diplomats and analysts say. North Korea has demanded similar security assurances from Washington, which listed both Tehran and Pyongyang as members of an "axis of evil," in exchange for relinquishing its atom bomb program. Iran's nuclear ambitions will be discussed at a meeting of senior officials from the Group of Eight (G8) industrial nations in Washington on Friday.

France, Britain and Germany have been struggling to persuade Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment program, which could be used to develop highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. They will present their plan for a "carrot and stick" approach to Iran to the G8 meeting. Unlike Washington, the Europeans do not publicly accuse Iran of pursuing weapons. But they are not convinced Tehran's intentions are necessarily peaceful, as Iran insists, and want enrichment activities ended.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 4:23:30 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Iran might be willing to give up its uranium enrichment capabilities but it wants many things in return -- above all a guarantee that no one will try to topple the Islamic regime, diplomats and analysts say.

Sorry guys, but while we can certainly speak for ourselves, we cannot and will not speak for your citizens. ;)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 17:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Stick it up your collective Qur'ans. Your only hope for status quo will be a Kerry win November 2nd. Black Turbans are on the current CIC's endangered list.
Posted by: Mark Z. || 10/15/2004 18:49 Comments || Top||

#3  "A guarantee that no one will try to topple the Islamic regime." Including Iranians? How can we make that promise and we in the hell would we?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Cyber Sarge the EUropeans will. They don't care about anyone but themselves. The EU is totally blind that the US has totally changed from 9/11. EUrope is in denial. They will make any deal not have to use or even imply the use of force. They will even make a deal to insure the the Theocrats stay in power.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||


Russia, Iran finish up nuclear plant (Thanks a lot, Putin!)
Russia and Iran said yesterday they had finished construction of a nuclear-power plant in Iran — a project the United States fears Iran could use to make nuclear arms. Diplomats in Moscow said the announcement, made after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov visited Iran, reflected Russia's readiness to press ahead with the project in return for Iran's increased cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog. "All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending spent fuel back to Russia," said a spokesman for Russia's Atomic Energy Agency (RosAtom).

Such an agreement is designed to allay U.S. concerns. Iran would guarantee it would return to Russia all spent nuclear fuel, which can be used to make weapons. But the signing, due last year, has been repeatedly delayed. Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the Iranian Parliament's Foreign Affairs and National Security Commission, confirmed the construction phase at Bushehr. "The [nuclear-fuel] agreement is practically ready. If experts agree on a few remaining commercial matters, it could be signed in November," Boroujerdi told reporters in Moscow after talks with Russian officials. Iran insists its nuclear program is entirely peaceful.
(There is a rather large bridge for sale in Brooklyn, too.)
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 4:20:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Follow up news story:
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#2  So, how does the get to Iran? Via magic carpet? Doubt it. All we need to do is intercept the shipment if by sea or seize it if by land.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian || 10/15/2004 17:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Well they inspired(trained?) the marxist palestinian group that made the Maloot School massacre killing 21 children...maybe they'll get the taste of their own medecine this time too...
Posted by: Anonymous6361 || 10/15/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
News from Clark County Ohio
EFL Reg Req
I have a cousin in Clark County. She's not happy.
Readers of a British newspaper have been invited to write Clark County voters with the aim of persuading the undecided to vote for either George W. Bush or John Kerry.Features editor Ian Katz said the unique idea stemmed from many foreigners' feelings of helplessness
Perhaps they should consider increasing defence spending
while they watched the unfolding of the U.S. election — an election they feel will have a strong impact on the entire world. "The United States is the most powerful country by far," Katz said from London.
Funny, I don't recall London paying attention to our petitions when they were the most powerful country in the world. Just wanted to tax us.
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Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 3:59:55 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Remember, sign up early and often Rantburgers - spare some Ohio resident a whiny letter from some snotty British socialist.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 2:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Here's my letter to Jennifer C.:

As you can see from the enclosed printouts, I got your name and address by e-mail from The Guardian, a left-wing newspaper in England. They got it from Clark County voter registration rolls, and seem to think it’s a good idea to give it to a British citizen (or anyone on the world, including your home town, with an Internet connection) to write to you and tell you how to vote in our upcoming Presidential election. They claim they’re not telling people which of our presidential candidates they want you to vote for, but – in case you don’t know anything about The Guardian – I can assure you they don’t want you to vote for President Bush.

I’m obviously not a British citizen, and it’s not my business how you vote (though it’s certainly more my business than it is the business of a foreigner). I just thought you’d like to know that The Guardian invaded your privacy by giving your name and address to a total stranger, though they were courteous enough to assure that total stranger, when they gave me your name and address, that they’ll protect my privacy. (“We will not use your email address for any other purpose or pass it on to any third parties.”)

I’m guessing from your address there’s a good chance you live alone (as I did when I lived in an apartment). Guess they didn’t care that they might be giving your address to a weirdo or stalker. Luckily, I’m neither. Just thought you’d like to know.

If you’d like to thank The Guardian for invading your privacy and interfering with our election, send your thoughts to: Emily Bell, editor in chief of Guardian Unlimited, editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk.

Cordially,

Barbara Skolaut

Not as funny or pithy as some letters others have written, but it gets the point across.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 3:20 Comments || Top||

#3 
The newspaper also encourages letter writers to include their name and address with the hopes of recipients replying and maybe even creating pen pals, Katz said.
Oh, sure, that'll work.

Who wouldn't want to be pen-pals with a snotty, oh-so-superior busybody from another country?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 3:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Mrs D. Your comments are spot on
Barbara - great letter! I'd bet the residents of Clark county are going to be ticked!

Oh...and I especially loved this line from the Guardian saying they had a positive response from some, receiving :"reasonably intelligent letters to the newspaper saying “good on you” for its efforts." LOL!

I'm sure the people of Clark county are really going to respond really well to the arrogance of these fossilized, socialist, snobs.

Now I've never been to Clark County, so I don't know much about those folks, but someone needs to let the winner of that contest know that those guns in their gun racks, the're real.

And the only way I can imagine that the guardian got quotes to put around that "good on you" was if someone said, "the tar and feathers will look......."
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Barbara - Your letter was perfect. Period. Simply perfect. *kudos*
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 4:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Anyone thinking "Backlash"? Could this push Clark County hard toward Bush?

I hope so - it would be a fitting result.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Barbara--Excellent letter! I have a gentleman's name and address I need to write to as well. I'll use your letter as a guide, with your permission.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Just a quick note for my fellow Ohioans if you get a letter from a well meaning reader of Al-Guardian. The accepted method of closing a letter to your new Lefty Pen-Pal is:

Sod off, you bloody git
Posted by: A Jackson || 10/15/2004 21:21 Comments || Top||

#9  Hello chaps;
The letter writing was a silly idea wasn't it? You are happy to trumpet your (rapidly dimishing status) as world's policeman and (ahem) greatest democracy (i assume thats some form of American humour i don't get) but the second well meaning people in another democratic nation (your allies of almost 200 years i'll point out) tap you gently on the shoulder and suggest that perhaps we all share the same planet and would you possibly mind just hearing our point of view for a second in between your flag waving and merry gunslinging and you react in this shocking jingoistic kneejerk way. Now i don't for one second hate americans or america (two of my flatmates last year were American; one was even a republican! i know! with a passport and everything!; and we got on splendidly, we could even talk about politics like rational adults) and i'm not an 'enema uf fridum' as your illustrious pres would doubtless say (after all, having a feeling of social responsibility towards my fellow man is doubtless the true mark of a communist athiest) but please, please, take a look at the world, take your foot off the peddle of your SUV and just think for one second 'good lord, maybe those foreign chappies have a point and aren't just a bunch of whiney liberals and terrorists; perhaps the welfare of the world and a good future for my children is worth more than cheap gas, super sized meals and a new set of patio furniture'. You know, if you feel like it;

toodle-ooo
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/17/2004 23:43 Comments || Top||

#10  O and PS;
Here is a link to some of the responses that have poured into the Guardian's office in London http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1329858,00.html ; it's headlined 'Dear Limey Assholes' and contains some wonderful examples of that peculiar gunboat diplomacy so favoured in the US at present;
Posted by: AthiestSocialist!! || 10/17/2004 23:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Calm down now, you Republicans. The Guardian is only a leftie-pink-liberal-whiney etc etc paper to you guys. To most people here in Europe, it's more a centrist, common-sense sort of paper. No need to get all hot and bothered and to start stroking your guns, you mixed-up people! Come on, you gave the world The Lucy Show! Where's your sense of humour? And US papers non-partisan? Tell that to Rupert Murdoch! Ta-ta.
Posted by: Shemble Whaiger3886 || 10/19/2004 10:04 Comments || Top||

#12  Guardian - common sense? centrist? Take your thumb out of your posterior.
Posted by: Howard UK || 10/19/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#13  LOL Guardian 'centrist' 'common sense'!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA. Non-sense, more like. The Guardian is a left wing rag whose only redeeming feature is that it's not as ridiculously slanted as its sick midget cousin, The Independent. If you want centrist reporting you buy The Times or the Telegraph. Most people who buy newspapers do, as the circulation figues indicate.
Posted by: Abu Anus || 10/19/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#14  Well my nice lefty letter writing EUropean friends let me introduce you to Revernd Smileys notorious Wall 0' Guns (3 states and 2 Canadian provinces.) My cave here is just smack dab full O' guns infact there is so little room in here from all the guns, reloading equipment computer and, amateur radio gear I can hardly move around. I literally have my one foot on an ammo can full of 7.62x51 to feed to my various rifles and carbines in that calibre and the other on an ammo can to feed my 45 calibre handgun.

Be glad I don't live in Clark county Ohio. I might get as they say, hostile.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/19/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#15  Bugger. That was me. Using a pseudonym I was going to use elsewhere to devastating comic effect, but decided against. Ho hum. When will I ever learn?
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/19/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#16  I stumbled across the guardian letter writing campaign while browsing cnn.com and I’m hugely embarrassed by it. The whole concept is ill thought out, inflammatory and offensive to our closest allies. Offensive toward a nation of people who are possibly the most hospitable and friendly a Brit is likely to visit. Alas ‘Guardian readers’ are far from representative of most British people. “The Guardian Reader” - due to its vehemently leftwing partisan reporting – has become an epithet that characterises our own Looney left. Woolly jumper wearing aging hippies and rebellious middle-class students who enjoy their daily dose of establishment bashing, self-righteous reporting over a vegan breakfast.

If it’s any consolation we have to put up with these morons daily.
Posted by: Englishman || 10/19/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#17  Come, come Aby Anus, don't play the old circulation figures game. That's like saying Hitler must have been right because most people in Germany liked him. I think you'll find, as the UK has swung to the right, that the Guardian now occupies a position that many people could accurately describe as centrist. Anyway, this discussion must be boring to our republican friends so, without any further ado, over to Sock Puppet and all his talk about big long rifles.
Posted by: Shemble Whaiger3886 || 10/19/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#18  AtheistSocialist:

Here is what I would say to Euro snobs like you: I don’t think Guardian readers quite appreciate just how fed up with Europe parts of America are becoming. This effort to influence our elections will only reinforce that trend.

You berate us for overthrowing Saddam Hussein while you wink at the “sophisticated and nuanced” governments of France, Russia and China who cut blood-drenched, illegal deals with him in direct violation of your much touted UN resolutions. European governments wanted to humiliate Bush and disempower America so much that they were willing to keep a psychopathic mass murderer in power to reach their goal-Turkey, Germany, France-you can look in your own mirrors on that point.

The world stood by doing nothing while wringing its hands over the tragedies in Rwanda, Sudan, etc., where HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HUMANS DIED NEEDLESSLY. Apparently, it never occurs to you that humans might have to use force to stop people who commit evil acts. The only thing the international community appears to want to do is TALK about problems, hold out its hand for the dole, and blame blame blame America.

Do you imagine there isn’t blood on your hands when you wish the world was a better place but won’t act to make it so? Chirac says it best for you-“war is never justified”. This flawed philosophy permeates Europe, and suggests that the holocaust in Germany and ethnic cleansing in Bosnia might well have succeeded, had American courage to face down evil not intervened. The current rift in international relations isn’t due to lack of American intellect; it’s due to the international community’s consistent and cowardly inaction in the face of crimes against humanity.

We have come to view many of you as incapable of sound judgment, unethically indifferent to human suffering and too spineless to ever commit to action when words fail. Wear the smug face of the international community if you like, pontificating on those backward, stupid, ornery Americans; it will have no consequence on our choosing leaders with a solid sense of right and wrong and the courage to back it up with action.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/19/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#19  Why do you always end a post with a duck and run, Shemble? Don't worry - you'll grow up soon enough. The Guardian is not only left of centre - that's not its main crime. It churns out poor quality, unbalanced, brazenly opinionated reporting. That's why most people who, given a choice of broadsheets, steer towards the Telegraph or the Times. Even lefties. I bet you know a fair few lefties who read the Telegrah or the Times rather than the Guardian. I do. Maybe your parents' friends. The Guardian's crude propaganda, written for idiots.

When did the UK 'swing to the right'? About the time the Guardian's circulation figures went down the pan? When was that then, mate?
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/19/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#20  Well, I like The Guardian. I like the Times, too, for sport and stuff, and the Telegraph is always hot on true crime and for sex stories involving servicemen and women. And I occasionally force myself to read the Daily Mail, if I need to get any of your sort of bile.

You could say, then, that I enjoy a balanced read. And it is on this basis that I call the Guardian centrist. Well, more than it used to be, anyway.

By the way, the UK's swing to the right is gradual and ongoing. Being able to recognise trends like that is a part of growing up.
Posted by: Shemble Whaiger3886 || 10/19/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#21  Well, I like The Guardian

haha...that would mean, according to Bulldog, that you are an idiot ;-)
Posted by: 2b || 10/19/2004 11:37 Comments || Top||

#22  Golly! So it does! Well spotted, and a much valued contribution to the debate. The fact that I also enjoy elements of the other papers Bulldog mentions kind of muddies your point, but never mind.
Posted by: Shemble Whaiger3886 || 10/19/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#23  ...the Daily Mail, if I need to get any of your sort of bile.

My sort of bile? Sounds like it's more your sort of bile. I've never bought the Mail. Used to live with a Labour and union activist who did, though. Bile! Ha! That's rich coming from you.

By the way, the UK's swing to the right is gradual and ongoing.

On what basis do you make that optimistic claim, Shemble? Because the Labour Party is seeing sense in certain areas (despite increasing the power of the state, never reducing it)? Or perhaps because you yourself are drifting ever leftwards? If you honestly think a marginal media laughing stock like the Guardian is centrist, you've got a serious perspective problem.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/19/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#24  Shemble - if you read the news reportage in the other papers rather than just the true crime, sex scandals and bile, maybe you'd have more of a point...
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/19/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#25  Come now, let's not get our knickers in a twist about this. When you consider the US of A's 'involvement' in other country's elections (Think Chile and Salvador Allende. Think the Congo and Patrice Lumumba) a few letters from Brits to Americans are small beer.
Posted by: Elmoling Grenter5116 || 10/21/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#26  Think current day. Hell, make that current generation. Get back to me when you manage that, K? AlG and their entire readership can fuck off.
Posted by: .com || 10/21/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#27  Interfering in another countries elections is plain wrong-it doesn't work and it's none our business anyway. But it's a little rich for Americans to start raising hell over this when you're interfering in e.g Belarus as we speak.
Posted by: MikhailLabour628 || 10/24/2004 21:12 Comments || Top||

#28  George Sorros is, just like he is in the US election.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 21:36 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
CD Tries to Show Shatner's No 'Has Been'
Run for your lives!!!EFL.
Just in time for Halloween comes a CD from a guy more likely to inspire a holiday costume than a musical following — William Shatner. The one-time James T. Kirk of "Star Trek" fame has released an 11-song collection this month, a follow-up to his 1968 spoken-word debut that garnered such critical infamy it became a camp classic. So it must be asked: Is this a trick or a treat? "It's a treat for me," Shatner, 73, said by telephone from Los Angeles, where he was taping an episode of "Boston Legal," his latest TV show. "I hope nobody turns a trick on it."
Well, the possibilities of using it in interrogations at Guantanamo was discussed here yesterday.
The new album — slyly titled "Has Been" — once again puts Shatner's choppy, emphasis-added words to music. But this time he's penned his own lyrics and tempered the cheese quotient with a few musical friends. Ben Folds, who produced and arranged the new album and co-wrote many of the songs, wrangled guest appearances by Joe Jackson, Aimee Mann, Henry Rollins and Brad Paisley.
Speaking of has-beens. God, I can hear Henry screaming now...
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Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 3:46:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I must have the CD to play in my new Stryker.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like music to build thong-wearing human pyramids by.
Posted by: BH || 10/15/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Spock...........help me........Spock......
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Reverse warp thrusters and set up a containment field to protect us all from the music...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Brad Paisley is not a has been. He's at the top of his game. He does have a good sense of humor and seems to have the rare ability not to take himself too seriously.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 18:43 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Russia calls for return of weapons inspectors to Iraq
Russia called on the United States and the Iraqi transitional government to allow international weapons inspectors to return to Iraq, following reports of the disappearance of high-tech equipment that could be used to make nuclear weapons. Inspectors from the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) must be allowed to go back to Iraq, the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement. "We believe that these organizations, which possess all the necessary expertise to that end, must as soon as possible receive unlimited access to Iraq’s nuclear sites to resume their interrupted task," foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said in the statement. "It is essential that Iraq’s transitional government and the United States adopt urgent measures to establish control over sensitive material and equipment, and allow international organizations specially authorized to do that to accomplish their task without any obstacles," Yakovenko added.
What sensitive materials -- Saddam didn't have any, remember?
IAEA director general Mohamed ElBaradei earlier this month told the United Nations that equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons, in some cases entire buildings housing sophisticated technology, were disappearing from Iraq.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 3:39:22 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  round up the 13 year olds...their baaack!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Sometimes, I don't get Russians. Maybe they're trying to shift the spotlight from their Iran dealings? (Which in itself is like sleeping with fleas, nothing good can come of it for Russia, the quick cash would turn into a curse a bit later).

OTOH, yea, send the inspectors. I am sure that jihadis would see them as potential elements in get-rich-quick schemes, with some gore theatrics for media ghoulies. The speed of inspectors departure would probably become a new world record.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 4:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Yo, Putty - better make 'em leatherneck inspectors cuz Memsis is right, lol!
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 4:42 Comments || Top||

#4  IAEA director general Mohamed ElBaradei earlier this month told the United Nations that equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons, in some cases entire buildings housing sophisticated technology, were disappearing from Iraq.

I'm sorry, but I'm so VERY CONFUSED! Y'mean there WAS equipment in Iraq capable of making WMD, and it's now being stolen because we made the foolish mistake of not guarding stuff that Y'all said didn't exist in Iraq because we made the foolish mistake of BELIEVING Y'all's assertion that there wasn't such stuff in Iraq?

/sarcasm

I'm sorry, but capable LYING requires that you pick a line of deception AND STICKING TO IT COME WHAT MAY.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/15/2004 7:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Ptah, not for a COGNITIVE DISSIDENT. :-)

If Kerry is an example to follow, then it is apparent that the rule about sticking to the line of deception is no longer required.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 8:05 Comments || Top||

#6  ElBaradei will whine about it being to unsafe to do inspections. He is a bigger wuss than Blix.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Bigger wuss than Blix? Is that POSSIBLE? =)
Posted by: docob || 10/15/2004 9:55 Comments || Top||

#8  I saw this one coming a MILE away. Ask yourself, "Why did the US keep finding, then keep un-finding WMDs in Iraq? Even the really obvious ones?" It all goes back to UNSC resolution 1441. The US is in Iraq on two justifications: searching for WMDs and preventing the interference in the search. However, if the US either finds WMDs, OR declares that there are no WMDs, its authoration under 1441 is OVER, and the US must leave.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#9  anon

their was a UNSC res passed after the war, which is the legal basis for the subsequent occupation, and which is not related to WMD's, but to the need to restore order in Iraq.

Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#10  once there's an election, the gov't of Iraq will have the right to tell Russia, UNSC, etc. to f&*k off
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#11  #8, These are my suspicions as well.
And Libhawk, does the latest UNSC res supercede 1441?

I *still* don't trust the Russians. Either they know something's there, or they want more UN pawns on the ground in Iraq. Or they want an up-close and personal look at our boys/equipment/training/etc.
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 10/15/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#12  Any significant find of MWD’s in Iraq would greatly aid the Bush administration’s position in the US and the world. It would guarantee Bush’s re-election.

The only “legal” authority for remaining in Iraq that the US cares about is that the Iraqi government wants the US to remain. The January Iraqi elections are to assure that the Iraqi government is seen as having legitimacy among Iraqi’s.

My own assessment a few months after the fall of Baghdad was that Saddam had no significant active MWD program. (An assessment I came to very reluctantly as I had to “eat crow”.) Such programs would require an extensive support structure for manufacture, weapons delivery, training in use, etc. Secondary traces of such programs should have been extensive. Many people would have been involved and, given the rewards offered, some would have talked. (Saddam did maintain a support structure that could be quickly ramped up to produce MWD’s once inspections ended.)

Yes, Iraq had nuclear facilities. There have been many reports of those facilities in the news. Those sites were locked down and monitored by the UN prior to the war. The uranium ore stored at those sites has now been removed. (Remember the Iraqi villagers that got radiation poisoning after stealing drums from those sites? They dumped the contents and used them as water barrels. Remember the rumors that Saddam had a secret nuclear lab hidden under the known facilities? US soldiers explored a water-filled basement.)

Bush didn’t lie about MWD’s. The Clinton administration and European intelligence agencies also believed Saddam had WMD’s. There was a US (and global) intelligence failure. I suspect that after 911 people were more willing to connect the dots and believe the more threatening data. Given that Saddam failed to follow UN resolutions and prove he had no WMD’s, their conclusion was reasonable.

More information may come to light. A few weapons may have been transferred to other countries. Some Iraqi nuclear scientists may be Syria. However, I doubt the US will find evidence of a significant active WMD’s program.

I certainly don’t believe the US government is hiding evidence of WMD’s in Iraq.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 10/15/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#13  Shit, I'm all for inspectors, bring'em in by the bus loads from Paris, Madrid, Berlin, and Brussels, those stupid white jeeps make great targets.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 15:58 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
13YO Beslan survivor wouldn't abandon 8YO sister
There was a moment when Vika Kallagova could have fled the hellish maelstrom of bullets, screams and explosions that School No. 1 had become on the first day of September. But the 13-year-old chose not to. Her 8-year-old sister Olya was inside the school, trapped with hundreds of other children and adults by nearly three dozen heavily armed militants. So Vika went back in.
Story continued at link.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 3:25:39 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You might be a little girl - but you sport a pair that clang kid, there are many grown-ups that could learn a thing or two from you about courage and loyalty.
I'm sorry that there are real monsters in this world and you had the misfortune to run into some.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 10/15/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Ditto.

Hopefully there will be a settling of accounts before too long.
Posted by: badanov || 10/15/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#3  i hope we get full reports of the vengeance that will come too the ppl who did this.
Posted by: smokeysinse || 10/15/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Another entry for "Profiles in Courage," I should think.
Posted by: Mike || 10/15/2004 16:32 Comments || Top||


Europe
Polish newlyweds paid to procreate
Have a baby and get a check. That's the deal officials in a southern Polish county are offering newlyweds. Couples can get about $570 for having children within two years of their marriage. The leader of the county council is alarmed by what he calls a frightening decline in the birthrate. In the region where the baby bonus is being offered, funerals outnumbered births by 2-1 last year. Officials are also offering couples free use of a hall for their wedding receptions.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 3:21:44 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bet Mucky advises an electro duck.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#2  How many Poles does it take to make a baby?

__________borgboy sez u tell me
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 20:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Cargo haulers struggling to keep up with production increase
Truckers, railroads seek solutions after 6% production rise
U.S. truckers, including J.B. Hunt Transport Services Inc. and railroads such as Union Pacific Corp., are hiring more workers and asking customers to spread out shipments because of record demand for cargo hauling. "This situation will continue for the foreseeable future," said J.B. Hunt chief executive Kirk Thompson at a Georgia Tech University forum in Atlanta on truck and rail demand. "Drivers are the key issue. Whether you are saying you want to add capacity is irrelevant if you can't find drivers." Shipping demand is rising as industrial production surges about 6 percent this year. The American Trucking Associations' index of truck shipments last month reached a record and has climbed 15 percent in the past year. The backlog of cargo ships waiting to unload Asian imports was at a high this week, and rail shipments have risen 5.3 percent from last year's record. "Spreading things out by days of the week and seasonally would help," said Thompson, whose company's biggest customer is largest retailer Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Many customers "do a good job shipping on weekends, but receivers don't keep docks open then and drivers have to wait until Monday to unload," he said. "Being creative about ways to move that freight a little earlier in the year will create a little more capacity."

Retailers and manufacturers have had to adjust because of the demand for rail and truck capacity. Best Buy Co., the biggest U.S. electronics retailer, has had to ship goods by air at times to keep stores stocked, said Eric Morley, the company's director of logistics. Truckers need to offer "a substantial pay increase" to get more drivers, Thompson said, declining to provide a figure or details of his Lowell, Ark.-based company's pay scale. Hunt has more than 15,000 workers. U.S. truckers are paid an average of $43,000 a year, said Robert Costello, the trucking group's chief economist. He said the group hasn't determined how many more drivers are needed or how much pay will have to rise to attract them. The trucking industry needs to hire about 36,000 workers a month this quarter to fill growing demand and replace those who leave the business, said Eric Starks, vice president of freight consulting firm FTR Associates Inc. in Nashville, Ind. There are about 2.2 million intercity truck drivers, he said. Union Pacific is adding about 5,000 train-crew workers this year and ordering locomotives to help end delays.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 3:15:39 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Probes if GIs Refused Iraq Mission
The Army is investigating reports that several members of a reservist supply unit in Iraq refused to go on a convoy mission, the military said Friday. Relatives of the soldiers said the troops considered the mission too dangerous. The reservists are from the 343rd Quartermaster Company, which is based in Rock Hill, S.C. The unit delivers food and water in combat zones.

According to The Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Miss., a platoon of 17 soldiers refused to go on a fuel supply mission Wednesday because their vehicles were in poor shape and they did not have a capable armed escort. The paper cited interviews with family members of some of the soldiers, who said the soldiers had been confined after their refusals. The mission was carried out by other soldiers from the 343rd, which has at least 120 soldiers, the military said.

Convoys in Iraq are frequently subject to ambushes and roadside bombings. A whole unit refusing to go on a mission in a war zone would be a significant breach of military discipline. A statement from the military's press center in Baghdad called the incident "isolated."
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 3:11:49 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This could be serious if it's widepread. But it sounds isolated to this one unit. Not an Army type but isn't a Platoon much larger than 17? I thought that was a squad?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#2  It sounds like someone is spinning this. This does not appear to be "failure to obey a direct order from an officer appointed over me" which is a court marshal offense. It appears to be analogous to a pilot being unable to launch for a mission because of equipment failure.

It does appear to be someone at the battalion staff level got their panties in a bunch when the platoon scheduled to make the run said they couldn't do it because of deadlined vehicles, and the lack of escorts, which is SOP.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/15/2004 15:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Sarge, a service support platoon could be anywhere from 20 to 60 guys. Maybe there were only 17 guys that refused orders out of this one. This will be interesting. It's usually not up to any troops to consider a job too dangerous, if that were the case not one guy would've got out of those higgins boats at Normandy or Iwo. Especially when your supposed to be resupplying your comrades in arms on the front lines. I'll reserve judgement as I was not there but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Lawful orders are non-negotiable, if their C.O. told them to whack civilians then they should refuse all day.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Thankd Jarhead, I can't pass judgement either because I am not on the ground. I think anymouse is on to something there about a move order coming down and not being able to go because of equipment. I can't imagine someone refusing to go simply because they thought is was dangerous.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#5  They may also be under orders to not proceed with the convoy unless proper escort is available.
Posted by: TomAnon || 10/15/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#6  I know that unit. It was a good unit and had excellent NCOs. I can't imagine that has changed. The problem right now is we are only hearing from worried family members. Family members that went to the press to air their gripes. The jury is still out.
Posted by: JP || 10/15/2004 19:00 Comments || Top||

#7  ...One other possibility - that there were genuine, solid reasons to say "we arent going with the equipment and escort we have", and some Major Burns type overreacted...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/15/2004 21:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Here's the sccop: they had orders to go, but redlines the veihicles as needing some depot level maint - transmissions, engines and such would not pass the '-20" inspections at a level required for use in direct combat.

So these guys refused to violate regulations and go. And the OIC apparently thought they were gundecking the maint reports to get out of combat. I'd bet the regulations support the redline: there's not a maint NCO worth his salt that cannot justify a redline on a whim. The regulations are that easy to stack up - they were written with peacetime in mind in terms of the gigs you can chalk up against a vehicle. In GW-I, about a quarter of our Bradleys could have been redlined if we wanted to get picky.

The press naturally is blowing this out of proportion.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 22:17 Comments || Top||

#9  I have read a little more - and know some of the personalities in that unit. The over reaction by a Major Burns type is probably going to be closest to the truth. Re: deadlined vehicles - 90% of my vehicles in the last war could have been consisered deadline, but we continued with the mission. Lots of soldiers did not want to go on missions - but went one way or the other. I guess the jury is still out until more info comes in. The press has no business in this matter at this time - let the Army work it out in peace. Old timey NCO justice beats fighting it out in the press anytime.
Posted by: JP || 10/15/2004 22:30 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Blogs: much ado about very little
Excuse me for asking. But why has MSNBC's Keith Olbermann started a blog about politics? Almost no one reads them. These opinion-laden, e-journals draw only fleeting notice from Web surfers. But they have captured the interest of thousands of reporters who have written about bloggers and their supposed impact on the Bush-Kerry campaign. Google News, today, returned almost 4,000 citations for a search using "blog" as the keyword. "The audience reach of even the largest of the political blogs is tiny compared to other major political news sources," said Max Kalehoff, a spokesman for HitWise, a Web traffic measurement and analysis company. In a recent week, traffic to WashingtonPost.com was almost 650 percent greater than that of the most popular such blog.

HitWise's rankings of half a dozen blogs tell a very quiet story. The most popular site, DailyKos.com, accounts for .0051 percent of Internet visits each day. (HitWise only reports the percentage of visits to sites/categories versus all Internet visits, or market share, Kalehoff said.) InstaPundit.com was second with .0027 percent. Even the profane and popular Wonkette.com, profiled in The New York Times, Time and the Washington Post, limps in with .0011 percent.

The key to blogs' popularity in the media is not the number of readers, it's their quality. "Their collective influence seems to be because a few (writers) have become political insiders and are successfully reaching other key, intensive niche audiences," Kalehoff said.
Guess where this piece came from? Give up? CBSMarkwetWatch. Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: growler || 10/15/2004 2:44:52 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's a Blogger? Is it like a bugger oly blocking?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 16:03 Comments || Top||

#2  But why has MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann started a blog about politics? Almost no one reads them.

That'll still be more people that watch his TV show.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Nothing to worry about. Be cool. We're not here.
Posted by: Francis Marion || 10/15/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Using this same logic, the influence of Washington, D.C. is inconsequential in the world. It's land mass is tiny, and the few thousands who visit it each day only represent the smallest fraction of the world's population.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#5  650 %. That means the Washington Post, one of the Nations most important papers,with a staff of reporters and editors and photographers, etc, and over 100 years of history gets only 6 and a half times as much traffic as a Daily Kos. That my friends, is amazing news. Flabbergasting. How do you suppose Kos or Instapundit compares to a lesser paper? Or more relevantly to an opinon magazine, like Harpers, the New Republic or National Review? As for the tiny percentages of overall hits, well who cares? Most hits are to Yahoo, Amazon, local business, porn sites, etc. Whats relevant is blogs compared to news and political opinions hits overall - and im sure that looks much more impressive.

Note "Their collective influence seems to be because a few (writers) have become political insiders and are successfully reaching other key, intensive niche audiences"

But isnt that what mags like Harpers, the Nation, TNR, NRO, TAP, American Spect, Atlantic Monthly, Washington Monthy and Weekly Standard have always done? Does the above guy really mean to suggest that the masses watching the headlines on CBS or ABC over dinner is more important than the debates among the opinion mags? Is he ignorant, for example, of the way the networks have historically followed the news lead of the NYT, despite its having a tiny audience relative to the networks? And of the influence of the opinion mags on the NYT and WaPo? Within that large world, blogs are already important - they find stuff that sympathetic people in MSM can use.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Butt out Brits, (Clark County) voters say
EFL Reg Req
Forgot to include the source URL...
The War of Independence was a long time ago, but some Clark County voters are feeling the itch to tell those across the big pond where to bloody well go. Linda Rosicka, Clark County Board of Elections director, said she heard a common sentiment Thursday about a British newspaper's attempt to influence America's presidential election: "We already fought the American Revolution."
But have they paid their bill for the voter list yet?
"For the most part, I don't think people are too impressed," Rosicka said. "Clark County people are fiercely independent.
Pretty sharp. They figured out al-G without reading a full issue.
Marie Lewis, a Manchester, England, resident, said she got the name and address of a Clark County voter, wrote a letter and sent it via air mail Wednesday. "I've got very mixed feelings, but I've got to do my bit
for the anti-war effort,"
Lewis, who has visited Ohio twice, said. "I apologized for interfering but then interfered. "I couldn't stop myself," Lewis said. asked him to vote for anyone but President Bush." Lewis cited a desire for peace as the reason she wrote someone she has never met let alone heard of.
It wasn't Lewis' country that was attacked, was it? Big Ben's still standing, the Tower is untouched.

Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 2:44:32 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Retired Wittenberg University political science professor Richard Flickinger said people should view the letters as an expression of concern from a group of people rather than that group trying to sway the vote."

Spare me the bullshit, professor...
Posted by: Pat Phillips || 10/15/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh dear, sorry about that. Here it is.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Note to the Gaurdian for future American electoral missions.

1. Above all Americans want to be left alone to mind our own affairs.

2. Nothing pisses Americans off more than someone who ignores the above and invites themselves into our affairs.

3. Coming in a close second in pissing Americans off, are people who assume that we need help with our votes or in appreciating our impact on the world etc etc. We vote our own minds thank you and so far we are doing a pretty damn good job of it.

4. In the future the Gaurdian should contemplate the possibility that just maybe the reason why their little colonies have so greatly surpassed the mother land is precisely because of all the above.

You'd think that 228 years might be enough time to understand where they went wrong the first time but apparently not!
Posted by: peggy || 10/15/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I stumbled across the guardian letter writing campaign while browsing cnn.com and I’m hugely embarrassed by it. The whole concept is ill thought out, inflammatory and offensive to our closest allies. Offensive toward a nation of people who are possibly the most hospitable and friendly a Brit is likely to visit. Alas ‘Guardian readers’ are far from representative of most British people. “The Guardian Reader” - due to its vehemently leftwing partisan reporting – has become an epithet that characterises our own Looney left. Woolly jumper wearing aging hippies and rebellious middle-class students who enjoy their daily dose of establishment bashing, self-righteous reporting over a vegan breakfast.

If it’s any consolation we have to put up with these morons daily.
Posted by: Englishman || 10/19/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Fantastic story. I found it absolutley hilarious. Almost as funny as Boris Johnson having to apologise to the entire city of Liverpool for implying they're all scallies wallowing in their own victimhood....
Posted by: thundertaker || 10/21/2004 9:12 Comments || Top||

#6  thks Englishman - confirms most of our assumptions. Welcome here any time!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/21/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Nuke equipment removed by professionals in Iraq: diplomats
Nuclear equipment and materials in Iraq were dismantled and removed by professionals systematically, diplomats here said Thursday, indicating that this work has lasted at least one year since 2003. The diplomats pointed out that the removal of the nuclear equipment was well organized by professionals who should have suchlarge-sized machines as heavy lifting equipment and heavy-duty trucks. And the whole operation could not be completed within a short period. Their comments contradicted earlier statements of the United States and the Iraqi interim government, which insisted that the nuclear equipment had been looted shortly after the US-led invasion.

Iraqi Science and Technology Minster Rashad Omar said Tuesday the nuclear facilities have been under well protection of the Iraqi interim government, and he also invited the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to visit the sites at any time. In a report submitted Monday to the UN Security Council, IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei said satellite images show equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons have vanished from Iraq. Entire buildings once monitored and tagged by the agency have been dismantled, and equipment and materials in open storage areashave been removed, ElBaradei said.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:35:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Riddle me this...

What the fuck is/was nuke equippment doing in Iraq, when there was no WMD or WMD potential there?

It simply does not compute. Either there was WMD danger, or there was not. It can't be both ways.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 5:48 Comments || Top||

#2  ???? what's your point?? Bush-Hitler lied and people died! America is bad! Illegal War! Peace in our Time!! squawk, squawk.

Posted by: leftie lemming || 10/15/2004 5:56 Comments || Top||

#3  LL, you forgotten to add a bit of some meaningfull elucidation like:

"The characteristic theme of Reicher's[6] essay on Batailleist `powerful communication' is a precultural reality. Therefore, Debord uses the term 'constructivism' to denote not situationism as such, but subsituationism. An abundance of discourses concerning dialectic neomaterialist theory may be revealed.

But the subject is interpolated into a materialist materialism that includes truth as a totality. Constructivism implies that society, ironically, has intrinsic meaning.

However, the subject is contextualised into a dialectic paradigm of context that includes sexuality as a paradox. Lacan uses the term 'constructivism' to denote the bridge between sexual identity and society. Thus, Dietrich[7] suggests that we have to choose between Batailleist `powerful communication' and precapitalist sublimation. Baudrillard's model of materialist materialism states that the goal of the participant is social comment."
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 6:09 Comments || Top||

#4  well, I would have, but I didn't know how to spell cognitive dissidence.
Posted by: leftie l || 10/15/2004 6:13 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL!
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 6:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Poor me! All this time I've thought the term was cognitive dissonance. I'm so confused - and embarrassed.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 7:20 Comments || Top||

#7  .com! That was so underhanded! Liquid warning please! I am lucky I have a spare keyboard!

:-)
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 7:26 Comments || Top||

#8  One of my fav pix, heh.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 7:59 Comments || Top||

#9  What about us cognitive dissidents?
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 10/15/2004 8:36 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, I figure you won't be able to accurately comprehend your external inputs, will initially seize up like a neural vapor lock and, when that inferential pressure differential dissipates, you'll be able to cover boths sides of the argument all by yourself, right?

*snicker*
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#11  I thought that was a social disease, red.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/15/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#12  I think they're preparing the ground for blaming the US if Iraqi WMD actually show up or are used somewhere.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/15/2004 8:56 Comments || Top||

#13  My opinion on the "missing" equipment, since it's gone missing since the invasion, is that it's on its way to a US warehouse in Tennessee for eventual disposal, just like the Libyan nuclear program.

I haven't got any proof of that, but the fact that BUILDINGS have disappeared and that the US and Iraqi governments are both so non-chalant and non-committal about it makes me think they're involved.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 9:08 Comments || Top||

#14  I'm with RC - we wouldn't have missed this op and stayed nonplussed about it
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#15  Anyone for a slice of October slice pie?
Posted by: Johnnie Bartlette || 10/15/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#16  that would be cool. It would also explain the squawking from the Russians and why the UN members are scrambling like dogs on linoleum to be the first to get to a microphone on this issue.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#17  But, but, none of this crap was supposed to have existed!!!!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#18  I certainly hope RC is right - 'gotcha' games about cognitive dissonance are great fun, but this is a huge screw-up if it wasn't us dismantling those buildings. Why would we do it so quietly and choose to take 18 months of needless "no WMD" heat, though? I'm not Machiavellian enough to figure out the upside of that - probably couldn't spell it, either.
Posted by: VAMark || 10/15/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#19  Nuclear Equipment - Retrofitted by John Edwards' legal colleagues to be used fot spinal cord injury cures...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#20  Why would we do it so quietly and choose to take 18 months of needless "no WMD" heat, though?

First, doing it quietly keeps it out of the press, which means jihadis wouldn't know there were trucks full of nuclear materials driving along Iraq's highways.

Second, doing it quietly avoids setting off any hyper-nationalist "we should be ALLOWED to have nukes" sense among the Iraqis.

Thirdly, it avoids getting the IAEA entangled in the mess. They're incompetent to the point of making you wonder if it's intentional. Their likely reaction to any open "let's get this out of there" plan would be to stomp their feet and insist that since the material's "under seal" it's not going anywhere.

Finally, everyone knew Iraq had a nuclear program and lots of equipment and materials hanging around. It didn't and wouldn't have changed the "no WMD" lies one bit -- consider that various bioweapon cultures found in one of Saddam's researcher's fridge didn't make a dent in the "no WMD" lie.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 13:16 Comments || Top||

#21  Thanks, RC. Makes a lot of sense, and doesn't even bring Macchiavelli into it.
Posted by: VAMark || 10/15/2004 13:27 Comments || Top||

#22  Bet RC got it, and like VAM implies, sometimes you just gotta do the right thing even if it won't help ya.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#23  I bet the stuff was just looted, bashed to bits and sold for scrap. The IAEA is a bunch of dickless clowns.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 20:19 Comments || Top||


Europe
WSJ: The Myth of 'Squandered Sympathy'
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 23:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pretty good read. Maybe the WSJ is just letting its writers write despite MSM expectations, or maybe they don't want to be locked out in the inevitable GWB term 2, who knows. Good article in anycase - glad they published it.
Posted by: Beau || 10/15/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Thx, ed - an excellent in-depth coverage of the myth. Timelines. That's the back-breaker for the meme-makers and spin artists. Keep an accurate timeline, assigning motives later, when evidence and research like this make matters clear, and you are never played for a sucker, Internationalist / Socialist / Apologist / MSM / Dhimmidick style.

Freedom has, obviously, many enemies.

Vigilance and fortitude, friends. The fate of our Republic is in the hands of a dwindling few with true journalist ethics, a few polticians who "get it" and have the stones to publicly support freedom, and the Pajamahadeen.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 1:18 Comments || Top||

#3  WSJ is one of the few that has actual reporters and still "reports" rather than just prints DNC press releases.

This whole handwringing thing is getting so old.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:27 Comments || Top||

#4  Because the WSJ is a business/investment newspaper, the editors understand that wishful thinking is no substitute for facts and analysis. This op/ed is consistent with historical reportage. Remember, they were the ones who printed the letter signed by the eight pro-U.S. European leaders (written by Aznar, signed by Blair, Berlusconi, Vaclav Havel, etc). Check out their editorials at their free site www.opinionjournal.com Daily blog by editor James Taranto is a hoot!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 7:26 Comments || Top||

#5  2b: WSJ is one of the few that has actual reporters and still "reports" rather than just prints DNC press releases.

The Wall Street Journal has separate managements for the news and editorial pages. The news pages are as liberal as the New York Times. But the editorial page is solidly conservative. To counter this, the news pages have editorial sections of their own, positioned among the news pages, but clearly marked as editorials. Gerald Seib and John Harwood are some of the liberal editorialists for the news sections.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 10/15/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#6  The socialist crapweasels cannot defeat freedom by direct action so they are forced to slander it by projecting their own fatal flaws onto it.
Posted by: Craig || 10/15/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#7  "Such lapses suggest that the New York Times' reporters lack the requisite linguistic skills or cultural familiarity to report accurately even on a country as generally accessible to Americans as France--a possibility that should give us profound cause to pause concerning the accuracy of their dispatches from more exotic venues. And where real knowledge is lacking, ideological "intuitions" can no doubt be expected to fill the void."

I beleive the NYT was slapped here , very well written!
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/15/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#8  ..an excellent in-depth coverage of the myth.

I didn't buy into that "myth" the first time someone blurted it out. What we need are people we can trust to stand by us, not people that will feel sorry for us.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 11:52 Comments || Top||

#9  "It was not the nature of President Bush's policy that provoked the anti-American rage; it was rather the daily dosage of anti-American conditioning in the French and German media that predisposed the more susceptible sections of the public to assume nefarious motives behind a policy whose rationale in light of 12 years of Security Council resolutions on Iraq and in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks was reasonably straightforward and obvious. "

Yep. Great article.
Posted by: jules 2 || 10/15/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||


Zapatero accused of rejecting religion
Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has come under attack from his country's Roman Catholic bishops over proposed legislation on same-sex "marriages" and on removing religious teaching from state-run schools. Last week, as parliamentary votes on these issues drew closer, church officials stepped up their barrage of criticism of what they call Mr. Zapatero's "road map" to undermine religion and enforce secularism in Spain. The spokesman for the Spanish Episcopal Conference, the Rev. Juan Antonio Martinez Camino, declared on state-run television that some of the Zapatero government's planned legislation was "a virus" that would eat away at the country's religious faith. And Catholic Archbishop Carlos Amigo of Seville charged that "the secular state was persecuting religion."

Mr. Zapatero, who was elected in March, says the measures are Socialist Party election promises that the government is putting into effect. "What the government will put before parliament is strictly a reflection of what was supported on polling day," he said.

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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:32:59 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Catholic Church still has teeth in Spain. As Zappy will find out.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 2:49 Comments || Top||

#2  OldSpook you sure of that? Doesn't sound like it in the article. It's sounds like the church is going to get steamrolled.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 3:42 Comments || Top||

#3  ol Zappy - what a great guy. Didn't they hang Mussolini from a lamp post? I suppose there is still hope.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:23 Comments || Top||

#4  So is it a good thing that The Catholic Church still has teeth in Spain? Of a good thing that there are 32,000 religion teachers in their schools? Or that they are paid through a govt subsidy? If the church still had any moral power, it wouldn't need to bludgeon it's agenda through by using secular muscle. Of course, they've been doing it so long it's like breathing to them.

Another interesting point: only 5% of young Spainards abide by the church's sex rules. Sort of like here, only more so. So, all these people are BAD catholics? Must be tough to be good. So does the church throw all these people out, deny them communion, etc? Or does it figure their $ is as good as anybody else's?
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 7:14 Comments || Top||

#5  "Congress shall make no law with respect to an establishment of religion." Articl One, bill of rights. The framers were worried about winding up with something similar to the church of england. Based on current performances such as this and the bishops in the US, they should have been a lot more worried about the church of rome.
Posted by: Not Amused || 10/15/2004 8:35 Comments || Top||

#6  I see I've drawn out the Catholic Bashers. Welcome aboard.

1) Yes it is a good thing the Church still has a vocie in Spain - if it didn't we'd not be able to vocally protest evils like Abortion. And, natrually, the Church is for sinners - if you are perfect, cast the first stone. As for young people, they aren't exactly known for thier wisdom, are they? ANd there are a heirarchy of things in terms of importance. The obedience to the moral teachings on sexual conduct is fairly far down compared to abortion and war for ANY religion, if you bother to think about it. ANd that's your problem: you reflexively bash, not thinking, when it comes to Religion Wierd Al - you're consistent about it.

2) "Not Amused" the US constitution does not apply in Spain. Did you know that?

Why are you worried about an Archbishop speaking to his faithful and advising them of the spiritual cost of actions they are taking? There is no threat to the 1st amendment there by the "Church of Rome". Kerry people all the time say "Vote Your Conscience". Well, that's what Catholics are urged to do all the time - but its an INFORMED conscience, especially when it comes to the cooperation with evil and the risk of your soul if you support a candidate that supports evil. That is what the Archbishop was pointing out to Catholics. Given the abhorrent nature of Abortion, and the requisite destruction of human life in embryonic stem cell research, the view of the CHurch is that to vote for someone who promotes this evil is to sanction it formally, and thus tie yourself to the enablement of mass evil, 40 million abotions a year in the US. If you truly believe it then its akin to voting for Hitler, or Stalin, in terms of the mass killers of the 20th centurie.

*IF* you are Catholic, then you recite the creed every mass, out loud, as an oath to God, that includes "I believe in the one holy catholic and apostolic Church". Note the emphasis. This means you accept the authority of the Church as it descend from the powers granted the apostles by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and you therefore accept its dogma -the core teachings.

In Catholic theology, there can be no disagreement on dogmatic issues. On doctrinal issues (celibate priests for example) there is room for argument. But on dogma (Human life is sacred and begins at conception) there is no wiggle room. If you accept that, if you truly are Catholic, then the Archbishop's words are directed at you. If you are not self-bound to the Catholic Church, then feel free to ignore the Archbishop.

Given that you are not Catholic, why are you so worried? Do voters who truly vote their conscience bother you? DO preachers and Bishops who exercise their first amendment rights for pratice their religion freely frighten you?

It seems they do from your posts. You look to be taking the "left wing" position of freedom of speech that's common these days. "Freedom for me but not for thee".

I say freedom for all - remember the first amendment was put there to prevent people from being muzzled in the great public debate, and to prevent repression of religious people by the state or a state church.

You seem to think it was put there to completely muzzle religion in the public arena of ideas. Sorry, but you are wrong.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#7  AMEN!
Posted by: domingo || 10/15/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#8  I believe in the entire 1st amendment, including the part regarding free speech, so we have no problem there. OS, I knew it was you as soon as I starting reading your post, didn't have to get to the end. You are absolutely entitled to your beliefs. I could care less. Am I catholic? Nope. Christian? Nope. Jew? Nope? I am what I am, and don't feel the need to proclaim it at great length. Left wing repression of freedom of speech? Please. I don't engage in personal attacks, and hope you don't have to either. Politically, a pox of both their houses. I took the libertarian test a few weeks back, and scored 100%. I don't object to anyone's religion. At all. Unless they try to tell me they have the only key to their particular heaven. So I guess in that sense I'll bow to your position. Feel free to have members of your church attack anyone they like. Just accord everyone else, the ones you don't like, the same priviledge.

Do these preachers frighten me? Not particularly. I simply dislike people who think they have the only truth, no matter which side of the line they're on. Do I distrust the upper hierarchy of the church? Absolutely. Live with it.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#9  OBTW, not muslim either. Truly a religion of evil. I may not trust a few people in the catholic church, but I don't trust any of these folks.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#10  OS AMEN! There are a lot of socialists in Spain and a TON of Catholics too. Zappy would be wise to court their vote as well, if not I can't see his party winning a second term. Wierd Al...Your a Mormon?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#11  OK - thanks Wierd Al for clarifying that.

ANd, believe it or not, I often ahve vehement disareements with the upper heirarchy fo the Catholic Church, especially on doctrinal matters, like mandated celibacy for Priests. I'd prefer the eastern model: if you are married you can become a priest, but only the celibate monks would be able to move to the bishop and cardinal level as only they woudl be "married to the Church" - married priests would be parish priests. And thats where they woudl be the most releveant and helpful - after all, in many ways it is easier for a father to counsel about children than it is for a celibate priest.

Likewise, some of the Vatican's actions often appear to be officious meddling and based in euro-socailism rather than the Catechism and Gospel. Sometimes they forget that the Apostolic part entails that they are servants of the Church, not the other way around. If they are not carefuly, they drift toward the way Muslims do it.

As for the Muslims - the more you read thier Khoran, and the "scholarly" research about Dhimmis, and Khefirs, and their treatment of them, and the belief in a strict Master-Slave relationship at the core of their theology (thus promoting a hierachy of master-slave relationships from the Imam to the follwoers to thier slaves to the unbelievers, etc), the more you will see it is a truly twisted religion.

Add to that the warping of the even more extreme Tawhidists of the Salafi's (Osama Bin Laden, Taliban), and the Wahabbis (Al Zarqawi, and the SUnni radical in Saudi and Iraq), and you have a truly poisonous admixture that has grossly distorted Arab culture for the worse, for centuries.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#12  Mormon? Not a chance. Now there's bunch of crazy people. They may be more or less harmless, I'm not sure. I've read a little bit of the book of Mormon for the sake of information. First, the whole thing is obviously written (badly) by one guy. Second, it doesn't even make sense.

The closest I come to being anything is Buddhist. It isn't really a religion in the strictest sense, but says more to me than the others, which I've spent many years studing in a comparative way. Sort of a lifetime hobby, if you will.

Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#13  "Likewise, some of the Vatican's actions often appear to be officious meddling and based in euro-socailism rather than the Catechism and Gospel."

OS: Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say, but you said it better.Leave Caeser's to Caeser and god's to god, etc. And I agree on the priests. Monks in many religions have often been celibate, those who directly minister to their congregations are different.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#14  Reaching Out To Our Weird Al.... Now is the time! Grab ahold of that snake that is in your heart and lookit! Lookit Look at It! In the Eye! Grab ahold of that snake around the throat breather! See if Now! Looks different! Snake eyes a little crossed! Yes! Amen! Now! Talk to the snake! Say I've have no god but Liz Montgomery! Find the truth and drop a fiver in the plate! It's for the children!
Posted by: Durwood || 10/15/2004 16:08 Comments || Top||

#15  Weird Al:
I cannot agree with your assessment of the Mormons as "crazy people," though I must admit that their holy book leaves a great deal to be desired next to the Bible proper. I would like to mention that, on the whole, Mormons are a solid, reliable, sober, and patriotic people who make good neighbors. They may wear funny underwear but they are good Americans on the whole.
Posted by: Secret Master || 10/15/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#16  The secret of the Garment is leaked! Typical panhandle trash!
Posted by: Durwood || 10/15/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#17  (chuckle) Actually, Durwood, I was raised Southern Baptist.... which involved a lot of singing but very little serpent handling. I believe you are thinking of the infamous Church of God with Signs Following, which was founded in 1914 by the Reverend George Went Hensley; a real hell raiser by all accounts. There are maybe 2000 of them scattered around Appalachia.
Posted by: Secret Master || 10/15/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#18 
The one on the right would make a better national leader then the one in charge of Spain currently.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 17:26 Comments || Top||

#19  Didn't say the mormons were'nt solid people. they are, as far as I know. Said they were crazy. Stand by the statement. Lots of other crazy people in the world. They're in good company.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||

#20  Cobarde ibn Zapatero has rewarded al-Qaeda by pulling out of Iraq too soon and dealt simultaneous life-threatening blows to freedom and the family by warping marriage in ways it was never meant to go.

Way 2 go(not).
Posted by: Korora || 10/15/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#21  OldSpook. You still didn't answer my question. Does the Catholic Church still have enough clout in Spain to stop Comandante Zapatero's anti church plans?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||

#22  SPOD, I don't know. I suppose we will find out. The Church has spent a lot of its "moral capital" on the Anti-war side of things over there in Europe, so they may not have much to stand on to oppose the government they wanted, given this government did withdraw like the clique at the Vatican's foreign office wanted. Although they now want troops in Iraq to help stop the loss of life... Go figure.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 22:11 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Marines begin raids on Fallujah
U.S. Marines launched air and ground attacks yesterday on the rebel bastion Fallujah after city representatives suspended peace talks with the government over Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's demand to hand over terror mastermind Abu Musab Zarqawi.

More in link
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:30:48 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  good luck! Stay Safe! God Bless!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 3:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Ground attacks? Where? What part? What effect?

Damnit, I hate these cluster-fuck news-roundup crap articles. Report on the phricking Green Zone attack. Full stop. Then, in a separate story, report on the sustained / renewed / increased / whatever action in Fafuckingllujah, idiots. What sort of dipshit J-School AP Stylebook Bullshit is this? One thing is certain - it sucks as journalism.

"Abu Asaad, spokesman for the religious council of Fallujah, said that 'handing over Zarqawi' was an 'impossible condition' since even the Americans were unable to catch him."

Uh, really? Why's that? The two are not related - and the US has not yet (maybe happening now, finally) had the green light to reduce Fallujah and see, after the fun is finished, if ol' Zarqi's remains can be ID'd. I'll bet he's enroute to wherever he thinks he can ride this out right this minute.

"'Since we exhausted all peaceful solutions, the city is now ready to bear arms and defend its religion and honor and it's not afraid of Allawi's statements,' Mr. Asaad said in an interview with Al Jazeera television."

Uh, huh. Musta been one of those cell-phone exclusives, since Al Jizz is still banned, right?

I'm bettin' the baby duck, puppy, and kitten supply will be heavily reduced when the 'honor' of the 'Slamists gets whacked. By all means - everyone inclined to do so should bear arms and fight. Makes it easier to pacify if all the asshats die in the confrontation. 'Too stupid to live' is the phrase that comes to mind - right after target-rich environment, that is.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 5:07 Comments || Top||

#3  The US military must love it that these journalists are so enept. They probably pay the bar bill at the hotels just to keep them there.

Their idea of "reporting" is log into Defense.mil and call Dr. Graves at the hospital to get the latest body count...which they seem to report with morbid glee.

But I HATE IT. WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Damnit, I hate these cluster-fuck news-roundup crap articles. Report on the phricking Green Zone attack. Full stop. Then, in a separate story, report on the sustained / renewed / increased / whatever action in Fafuckingllujah, idiots. What sort of dipshit J-School AP Stylebook Bullshit is this? One thing is certain - it sucks as journalism.

I absolutely, 100% agree. So there.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#5  These are probes and recon in force.

They are not ht emain effort. If anything, they may be distractions, to allow Ramadi, Hit or Buquoaba to be set up for a surprise hammerblow from inside and out like Samarra, without news cameras or clues issued to people inside.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#6  OS 's take sounds right - misdirection and softening up. Sends a message and keeps the pressure on. Is there a town with a more fatalistic name than Hit? Oh yeah, the Iranian quake town, Bam LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#7  This is it, the NEWS, resumpsution of April's clean up.
Posted by: Slinerong Chomoque1551 || 10/15/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#8  One thing that works aains tthis being the main effort is the reports say there is only one battalion of Marines involved.

If this were the main effort, there would be a brigade's worth of forces there, plus 2 or so Iraqi battalions to clear the "sensitive" reas liek the Mosques, and for rear security.

The Marines would at least have a few companies to a battalion or more, of US Army heavy vehicles (Abrahms tanks, Bradley AFVs) cross attached for the urban fighting they are doing, like they did in An Najaf.

If you see Army troops turning up and Iraqi battalion in the mix, then you know its the main effort, or at least they are serious about going into "indian country" and clearing chunks of it out.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/15/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#9  thanks OS.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#10  CNN reports Marines and Iraqi forces have set up checkpoints around the city. Hat tip Command Post.

Another story from CP said 1000 troops in the assualt. That would be the 1 marine battalion, I guess, plus some Iraqi forces.

This may not be the main effort, but it looks like a very serious battlefield preparation effort.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Bang! Just kidding!
This is it!
Bang! Nope.

Get 'em looking around and jumpy. If there is a major assault we won't here about it for 72 hours.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||

#12  And of course the media will only tell us how many troops died instead of telling us about the success.
Posted by: Quarterdeck || 10/15/2004 14:22 Comments || Top||

#13  If there is a major assault we won't here about it for 72 hours.


They'll be using the Stealth Strykers.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#14  AFP reports - US is asking UK to redeploy troops from the quiet south, possibly to Baghdad, to free up US troops for Fallujah or elsewhere.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#15  Nope, the MSM won't be able to Tet-Tet this one. Uncle Walter was deemed credible by a majority of US viewers in 1968; DanBlather's considered a joke by most network viewers today, who themselves are a diminishing minority. I haven't seen a network newscast in about seven years.

No, this time, our troops' victory will not be unspun.
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#16  I mean, will not be spun, and undone.
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 15:10 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Five terrorists, civilian killed in overnight IAF Gaza raids
Five terror operatives and one civilian were killed overnight in IAF strikes across the Gaza Strip. Three Hamas operatives were killed in two raids in the northern Gaza Strip: Two were killed by an IAF missile fired at a group of armed Palestinians at the Jebalya refugee camp, while a third Hamas terrorist was gunned down in Beit Lahiya. In addition, Palestinian sources reported that three Palestinians were killed in a third IAF raid overnight at the Rafah refugee camp, in the southern Gaza Strip.

According to the sources, one of the fatalities in the Rafah raid was a 70-year-old civilian, while the other two were al-Aqsa Brigades operatives. The IDF said a gunship fired at a group that was spotted placing explosive charges. Earlier, At least two al-Aqsa Brigades operatives were killed after an IAF helicopter gun ship fired at a group of armed Palestinians that was spotted heading in the direction of IDF ground forces near the Jebalya refugee camp. The IDF has confirmed the report.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:25:03 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What on earth was a 70 year old man doing hanging out with 'operatives' planting explosives? He should have been peacefully sleeping at home in bed with his wives.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 6:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Ahm, 70 yrs old, maybe he couldn't.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 6:58 Comments || Top||

#3  What, those bloody operatives were so noisy it kept him awake? In that case it was sheer kindness of the IDF to take care of the annoyance.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 7:02 Comments || Top||

#4  "sleeping at home in bed with his wives"

That is the key here. :-)
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 7:08 Comments || Top||

#5  didn't this run yesterday? Or did they bag another bunch of Paleo terrorists and a 70 year old man?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 8:16 Comments || Top||

#6  Why cannot a 70 yr. old man be a terrorist? Is there a terrorist age-limit that I am unaware of? Methinks obfuscatory language (Derrida's "infinite play of signs") is at work here...media also references any terrorist under the age of 21 as a "child"...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Platoon Mutiny Alleged In Iraq
The Army is investigating reports that several members of a reservist supply unit in Iraq refused to go on a convoy mission, the military said Friday. Relatives of the soldiers said the troops considered the mission too dangerous. The reservists are from the 343rd Quartermaster Company, which is based in Rock Hill, S.C. The unit delivers food and water in combat zones. According to The Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Miss., a platoon of 17 soldiers refused to go on a fuel supply mission Wednesday because their vehicles were in poor shape and they did not have a capable armed escort...
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 2:10:15 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bing!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:29 Comments || Top||

#2  It seems a valid argument, if it is valid.

Refusal to do dangerous things when there is not a demonstrable need to do them is called suicide.

Rushing a machine gun nest that has the platoon pinned down and dying before you can do anything is a sacrifice.

Driving in a convoy of trucks in need of maintenance, without enough armament to deter ambush is tempting suicide.

A pointless death because someone is too lazy to get things done right is not what our troops deserve.

One the other hand if they are simply attempting to get out of dangerous duty because they are scared . . . that is what firing squads are for (that will NEVER happen . . . we have no Pattons, or Eisenhowers).
Posted by: Jame Retief || 10/15/2004 19:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Laumer Rules!(Tip o'hat to "Jame Retief")
Yes,I think State Dept. too often resembles his CDT.
Posted by: Stephen || 10/15/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#4  #2 - there are Pattons and Eisenhowers in this Army - look at General Franks. This case does not need a general it needs a strong 1st SGT to put a boot in somebodys ass - either the Battalion HQ for not providing the escort or the soldier shirking duty whichever case.
Posted by: JP || 10/15/2004 22:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Haven't yet seen Franks as an Eisenhower, much less Patton. He is a manager, a good manager, but not the strong warrior. Managers always rule when the wars start, but it is at the end of the war that the true warriors are put in command, while the managers go back to the states and manage the infrastructure. It is how we win our wars, when we choose to win.
Posted by: Jame Retief || 10/16/2004 9:12 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
PA Minister: Lebanese Refugee Camps Are Worse Than Gaza
A senior member of the Palestinian Authority has decried living conditions in Lebanon's Palestinian refugee camps, saying they are worse than those in Gaza. "I was stunned by the refugee camps in Lebanon," said Ghassan Khatib, Yasser Arafat's Minister of Labor in an interview with the Beirut Daily Star. "Even in camps in Gaza and Nablus in the occupied territories, the situation is better than that of the camps in Lebanon."

Khatib met with Lebanese President Emile Lahoud to plead for easing the living and working conditions for Arabs from Samaria and the Galilee living in Lebanon. The paper notes that the estimated 400,000 refugees living in Lebanon are not granted basic civic rights by the Lebanese government, are barred from erecting permanent homes and are not allowed to engage in various professions. Khatib also insisted that the PA has not given up on the refugee issue. "It is an issue of utmost importance to us," he said. "We are 100% sure that their right to return will be met. There is no doubt about that, regardless of how much time it might take."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:06:10 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  hit by the ol' clue by four.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Well being there as long as they have and some of them being kicked out of Jordan already perhaps they might get a clue. No one gives a damm. Give up your radical and criminal ways someone might. Oh yea lose all the RPGs and ak47s they will help too.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 4:36 Comments || Top||

#3  if there had never been an infant-tada, they would already have their own state.

Revenge(TM) Blame the Jews(TM). These poor people have been manipulated by their leaders for so long. At some point you'd think they would wake up and go, "HEY, Arafat, what have you done for us lately?" But they never, ever do.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:07 Comments || Top||

#4  get used to it, Ghassan, it's coming to the Paleo territories near you, soon. Has any people shown a more hateful, non-productive, self-destructive period than the last 50 for Paleos? Keep banging your heads against the concrete wall, maybe things'll magically improve!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Keep banging your heads against the concrete wall, maybe things'll magically improve!

Insanity, by any other definition.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 11:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Ghassan ever visited the southside of Chicago? Much more dangerous. Oncoming cars actually speed up when they see a non-local crossing the street...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 13:36 Comments || Top||

#7  That only proves one thing. On one needs these damn Paleos around. They should stop whinning about the Wall too.
Posted by: Fawad || 10/15/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||

#8  "I was stunned by the refugee camps in Lebanon," said Ghassan Khatib, Yasser Arafat’s Minister of Labor ...

Yeah, don't get up this way much do you, ya useless PA hack...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||

#9  Could this news mean Arab governments are allowing fellow Arabs to live in such horrid conditions? Is this the case in the Lebanon, Syria, Egypt or Jordan?

"How long has this been going on"? a UN diplomat asked.

The Arab League official at the United Nations responds "Well Sir, for most of these Arabs, since 1948, for a lesser amount, 1967. Both dates are when we lost two wars against that little Israeli state. In the Lebanon many Arabs which were in Jordan had to relocate after Arafat and his crew attempted to overthrow the King. The King beat back Arafat's gunmen at a loss of some 20.000 Arabs, and then Arafat's PLO departed for the Lebanon. In turn his forces instigated the Civil War in 1974 and were kicked out in 1982....Oh, by the way Sir please keep this information to you're self, since we always blame Israel for the refugee problems."

Mr Shmuel Katz of Israel writes the following:

"In December 1948, the director of the Relief Organization, Sir Rafael Cilento, reported he was feeding 750,000 "refugees." By July 1949 the UN reported a round million.

The Red Cross International Committee joined the party. It pressed for the recognition of any destitute Arab in Palestine as a refugee. Thus about 100,000 were added to the list.

To add a touch of mordant humour, the Red Cross authority wrote about the additional people that: "It would be senseless to force them to abandon their homes to be able to get food as refugees."

So these people stayed at home, received their free services there, and were added to the rolls of the refugees."


Which other group of people have been 'refugees' since 1948?

Read the rest in the link:
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 20:26 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Police Fear Temple Mount Disaster
Israeli officials fear that thousands of Arab worshippers could be buried alive if, as feared, the Temple Mount collapses under their weight when they arrive for the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan tomorrow. Public Security Minister Gideon Ezra warned, based on reports by experts in the Antiquities Authority and others, that allowing worshippers onto the southeastern corner of the Mount, known as Solomon's Stables, could lead to an "unimaginable disaster." The Waqf, the Muslim authority supervising the Temple Mount, says that this is merely an Israeli provocation, and that its own experts have assured it that there is no danger.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was to decide today whether to restrict Moslem worshippers from entering the main Temple Mount area tomorrow, if the Waqf does not close off entrance to Solomon's Stables. Israeli experts have warned that a large number of visitors could cause the fall of the floor supported by pillars weakened by the Waqf's illegal excavations. The month of Ramadan is generally a month of high tensions, and Jerusalem police are not looking forward to the upcoming Fridays. Thousands of policemen and soldiers will fan out throughout the Old City tomorrow to prevent disturbances.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:04:35 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  earthquakes, volcanos, locusts, and now this :-)

I sure hope that Temple Mount doesn't fall down.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Am ambivalent. Maybe because I am essentially an optimist and find good aspects in random, transient events. Besides, the mosque is ugly and an eye-sore. :-)
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 4:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, if it falls and kills shitloads of them, well, it will mean that Allan's seriously pissed. At them. Their imams are always closing thier Friday Indoctrination Sessions with shit about shaking the ground under the feet of the Jooos... Mebbe he's a little tired of the blame game and Muslim incompetence and seething and begging for help all the phreakin' time. Mebbe he's tired of backin' losers and murderers and pussies and cowards and haters and barbarians. Mebbe he's switching teams. It'd be fair payback. Heh.

Got my fucking fingers crossed: fall baby, fall!
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 4:49 Comments || Top||

#4  .com, yea! That's the spirit! I was fully confident that you would find more than one positive aspect in the potential event horizon.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 4:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Mem - Lol! Guilty as charged, heh!
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 5:08 Comments || Top||

#6  The Israeli's should have dynamited that crap mosque when they took the place in 1967. What would have happened, a war?
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/15/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#7  LotR - Lol! Perfect analysis.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 8:50 Comments || Top||

#8 
temple mount pictures and info link
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||

#9  D'oh!
Busted link, 2B
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#10  better link for temple mount
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Mo' bettah! Thx
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:27 Comments || Top||

#12  There's a down side to this?
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 13:08 Comments || Top||

#13  If you were God would you hang in Jerusalem and deal with hard heads or the Keys and lure in bone fish? Hell, do you think God is stupid or what?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Rare photos tell you more about Russian president
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 20:34 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is my imagination going haywire, or does Putin resemble Pat Paulson?
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/15/2004 21:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Putins daughter are blonds! Good looking blondes from what I can see too.
Posted by: Charles || 10/15/2004 21:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Ok, so he gets up and scratches his balls in the morning like every other guy. So what? That election was still rigged.... and not in some dumb "selected not elected" kind of way either.
Posted by: Secret Master || 10/15/2004 22:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Vlad is just a man. He has children to worry about, that should put some at ease.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 10/15/2004 23:28 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
cuple force to become siblings
A happily married couple in Haryana has been told to regard each other as brother and sister by a council of similar caste villages which decreed their marriage was unacceptable on social grounds. In Sunday's bizarre ruling in Asanda, Jhajjar, near Delhi, a Rathee khap panchayat ordered Rampal and Sonia, who is three-months pregnant, to terminate their marriage of one-and-a-half years. The panchayat, comprising elders from three villages, said there was "bhaichara" (brotherhood) between members of Rampal's gotra Dahiya (a sub-caste in the Jat community) and Sonia's Rathee gotra. The unwritten social code in the state forbids them from marrying each other, the elders ruled. The "sin" could be undone only if they accepted each other as siblings. That Sonia was happily married to Rampal and was even carrying his child had no effect on the elders, who said they delayed the decision because of "confusion" over Sonia's gotra.
[Channeling Fred]: Ohfergawdsake.
Posted by: muck4doo || 10/15/2004 20:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get a second opinion. Or a fourth village.
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 0:35 Comments || Top||

#2  no get an axe and go looking for these elders.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Why not two tickets to some place on the globe that don't play those games? I can think of a handful of countries just off the top of my head, where village elders don't go interfering like this, busting up families over 'caste' issues.
Posted by: Ben || 10/15/2004 5:29 Comments || Top||

#4  What is it? One of the village elders has the "hots" for the girl?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:48 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Jihad Bombers kill 10 in Baghdad 'safe' zone
Suicide bombers penetrated the headquarters of allied forces in Iraq for the first time yesterday, killing 10 people and provoking an urgent review of security in Baghdad's Green Zone. Four American contract workers and six Iraqis died and at least 18 others were wounded when the bomb exploded at a crowded bazaar less than 200 yards from the US embassy. American personnel often shop there for souvenirs. A second killer struck at a popular cafe.

A contractor said the Green Zone Cafe had been blown to "smithereens" in the blast. "It doesn't exist anymore," he said. "Everyone in the cafe is in pieces. There are pieces of bodies everywhere." The American, whose office is across the street from the site of the first bomb, said he and his colleagues were forbidden by their company from using the cafe after a bomb was found outside weeks ago. However, he said, people had started filtering back in. Abdul Razak Mohammed, a waiter at the cafe, said two men, aged about 25, came in carrying bags. "One ordered tea," he said. "They were asked by another cafe employee if they were Iraqis and the man answered 'No, we're Jordanians'."
Umm, Abdul, that was a clue.

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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 2:00:07 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought this comment from another article above said it better:

Following yesterday's attack, the U.S. military said intelligence reports indicated terrorists were planning more strikes to "gain media attention."
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 3:36 Comments || Top||

#2  2b, yup. A feedback loop. MSM and terrs--on the same side.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 3:41 Comments || Top||

#3  "Suicide bombers"

Ramadan starts today. Doesn't the MSM constantly tell us that Muslims's think that it's extra holy to die during Ramadan? If that was true, you would have thought that the bad guys could have waited another 24 hours. Maybe the bomber's controllers were in "use it or lose it" mode or maybe they needed a "victory" to show their supporters in an attempt to balance their asses being kicked for (at least) the last two weeks. In any case, I don't think that this was the terrorist's original timetable and that this smells of desperation as much as it does the death of innocent people.
Posted by: Dave || 10/15/2004 4:49 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Energy Costs Hit Family Budgets Hard
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 16:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But with gasoline near $2 a gallon and home-heating costs on the rise, the 29-year-old resident of Fredericksburg, Va., says there's less money for food, clothing and entertainment - which nowadays means a trip to Blockbuster, not the local movie theater.

Please. The cheapest regular unleaded gas here in my neck of the woods is about $2.20/gal. P/U is even higher than that (close to $2.50/gal). Being near $2/gal (most likely under that) is a bargain as far as I'm concerned.

Now if only the finances of oil traders could be administered a sizable little shock....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#2  I paid 2.49 for premium Wed. That means it's 2.53 today I would bet. But what do you expect from a whiney Democrat from Virginia?

Wake up folks cheap energy is going to be a thing of the past unless we start using something other than oil based transportation.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Sock, I am glad I am not the only one out there using premium. At around $2.50 in some urban locations what will the price be by News Years Day? That is if the current energy market trending extends itself into late December.


Fill her up Joe, with high test.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 20:49 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Iran 'in control of terrorism in Israel'
Iran has taken control of many Palestinian terrorist cells from Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, giving them funds and orders to attack Israeli targets, and even rewarding successful missions with "bonuses", according to a senior Israeli security source. For many years, Iran has given money and ideological support to radical Palestinian groups, especially Hamas and Islamic Jihad, responsible for most of the Israeli deaths in the past four years of the Palestinian uprising. But Israel believes that much of the Fatah-affiliated armed faction, calling itself the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, has now come under Iran's sway, especially in the West Bank.

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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 1:57:59 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hizbollah rewards Palestinian cells to the tune of $5,000 (£2,900) for each Israeli killed.

The payoff has gone down. Saddam Hussein used to write checks for $10-25,000 per. O! the poor terrorists, who now must work so much harder to support their families.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 7:09 Comments || Top||

#2  The Bush Administration is responsible for the cuts in tthese payments to martyrs. If they had followed my PLAN these people would not be suffering from a reduction in government payouts. My PLAN calls for a full restoration of the Oil for Payouts plan.
Posted by: John Fn Kerry || 10/15/2004 7:59 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm so surprised!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#4  How about the IDF finding and killing more Hezbollah members? I'd be all for that.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#5  If Iran's ruling regimé were to all of a sudden be altered to the degree that all funds were cut off to terrorist groups like Hizballah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas plus Iranian jihadees causing terrorism in Iraq, the world would become a much safer place.

With a mullah dictatorship free Iran, Syria would be ripe for the picking as well as the total defeat of Islamic fantical elements in Lebanon.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
ABC Political Dir. Mark Halperin's Daddy Head of Soros Policy Ctr.
As the twig is bent, so is the tree inclined.

Red diaper baby Mark Halperin follows in father's direction. Lots of details on what Daddy did (Pentagon Papers, friend of Philip Agee, State Dept. laptops stolen), brother David's Clinton White House adventures, his own pecidillos as he shaped the how the news is presented at ABC.

Read the whole thing.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 1:57:26 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Coincidence? "WE DON'T THINK SO!"
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Philip Agee - Ohoh! is he in Cuba or Switerland these days?

All the rest is nasty but ... Agee.
Are we up against Trotskites with Kerry et.al?
I keep thinking of the old spy novel..
"Trotsky's Run".

I watched the PBS Frontline special on Bush and Kerry. I can't get over the fact they everything Kerry does revolves around "His Vietnam Experience and Lessons". Sort of like somebody stuck in a bad fugue. I can't help thinking Manchurian Cand...
Posted by: 3dc || 10/15/2004 22:52 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Sam the builder makes inroads into Osama land
By most reports Osama bin Laden is hiding in the wilderness that borders Pakistan and Afghanistan. But the US is making inroads there too, by building roads. The war on terror has revamped Pakistan, specially its much neglected FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) province. The American agenda is visible in every aspect of the South Asian nuclear power's life, even in its remote corners. To gain access into the hostile region, where most of Al Qaeda, including possibly Osama bin Laden, are hiding, Washington is funding construction of vast network of roads.

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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 1:56:23 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For India, such details are ominous. It is a clear warning that not too much dependence can be placed on America’s influence to get Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism.

The faith of Indian and numerous western analysts who pit India’s US influence with that of Pakistan and predict a balance in near future is grossly misplaced.


No shit. I guess all that cuddling up with the Soviets in the cold war didn't make the US happy. Maybe they should avoid the Turkish model of dealing with the US.
Posted by: beer_me || 10/15/2004 3:13 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't get why India should be that worried. If we are able to introduce, even indoctrinate, more Pakistani military officers into American values and ethics, that should make the concept of a war of conquest in Kashmir less appealing. And considering that the military runs that nation, that sounds like a good thing for India. It should eventually cease acceptance of cross border incursions.
Posted by: Ben || 10/15/2004 5:15 Comments || Top||

#3  To gain access into the hostile region, where most of Al Qaeda, including possibly Osama bin Laden, are hiding, Washington is funding construction of vast network of roads

And thus another static tribal culture is destroyed:
Roads to bring the outside world in, and to let the oppressed underlings out.
Schools to illuminate the mind of the ignorant, and to cause the questioning of authority.
Democratic politix to bring the real Revolution(tm) to the depotic darkness.

(heavy irony here) And to think it all is being done by those forces of reaction and oppression, America.

Ben, India is worried b'cause we are not interested in seeing any State rising in capability to challange us in any reigon. Its not in our interest.
Posted by: N Guard || 10/15/2004 5:58 Comments || Top||

#4  India has historically led the 3rd World bloc at the U.N., which was pretty stridently anti-American/pro-USSR. I guess old habits die hard.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 6:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Building roads,must of taken a page from the Roman play book.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/15/2004 9:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Roads? My God. Is Halliburton involved? Iraq was a war over roads?
Posted by: JT || 10/15/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#7  No blood for crosswalks!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||

#8  Let loose the Dozers of Doom!
Posted by: Steve || 10/15/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#9  **gazes into crystal ball**

A road centerline survey is in you future. I see tangents and curves. I see slope stakes. I see bulldozers with images of Rachel Corrie on their frames performing cut and fill operations. I see deuce-and-a-half rigs full of pakistani soldiers coming to ruin your day... I see.....
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:21 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Syria Shells Iraq
SNIP
Elsewhere, several mortar rounds believed fired from Syria exploded Friday near the border town of Husaybah, said Marine Lt. Col. Chris Woodbridge. There were no casualties. Marines say mortar attacks from Syrian territory have increased in recent weeks though it's unclear who is launching them.
SNIP
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 10/15/2004 1:55:05 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Marines say mortar attacks from Syrian territory have increased in recent weeks though it’s unclear who is launching them.

My money's on Syrians.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#2  If true, it sounds like an invitation.
Let's hope the RSVP is nice and hot and boomy.
C'mon Nov. 3!
Posted by: Hyper || 10/15/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Fire back with twice the intensity. No reason to take their shit if we don't have to.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#4  If Assad want to make it happen, keep firing more sells into Iraq and discover there is more then one road to Damascus.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#5  How can this not be causus belli?
Posted by: jackal || 10/15/2004 21:57 Comments || Top||

#6  All in good time, dear fellow, all in good time.
Posted by: Old Fogey || 10/16/2004 0:11 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudis Blame U.S. and Its Role in Iraq for Rise of Terror
[cough]BULLSHIT![cough]
Seventeen months into a shadowy terror campaign that has killed more than 100 people, numerous Saudis express less anger at the insurgents than at the United States for its invasion of Iraq, the signal event that they say touched off the attacks inside the kingdom.
Crippling a majority of al Qaeda's overseas operation had nothing to do with it.
In interviews over the last week, the Saudis condemned the terror attacks, aimed primarily at foreigners, but called them a small inconvenience that has not forced them to make significant changes in their daily lives. By contrast, they expressed unremitting disdain for the United States.
Just like at least 15 of the 9-11 hijackers felt.
'Disdain' isn't quite the word I would have used to describe the opinion of the average Soodi for us.

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Posted by: Zenster || 10/15/2004 1:53:53 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But of course it's our fault. Who else could it be? *wink, wink* *nudge, nudge*
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 5:10 Comments || Top||

#2 
"We are grateful to the United States; most of us were educated there," said Prince al-Shafi. He and others said Saudis are picking other countries for their children now because of their anger, and because of the immigration obstacles they believe they and other Arabs face traveling to the United States since 9/11.


I'm sure the French would be glad to have them, pretty soon we will have to see if they are happy to have the French
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/15/2004 6:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Why isn't that the pot calling the kettle responsible for the rise of terror?
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 10/15/2004 8:15 Comments || Top||

#4  I love my truck and have no problem paying $1.80+ a gallon or whatever, but, I can't wait until we have good alternative energy sources to go to so we can minimize our dealings with this jerk off country. The M.E. and soddi eurabia in particularly are a shingle on the ass cheek of the world and every time you scratch the damn thing it just gets all over.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Wow! I sure miss mingling with Saudis here in the U.S.!

*wringing hands*

Now, how shall I learn how to subjugate women, hate Jooos, get others to do my work, and believe in a master race...?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:37 Comments || Top||

#6  Article: "We are grateful to the United States; most of us were educated there," said Prince al-Shafi. He and others said Saudis are picking other countries for their children now because of their anger, and because of the immigration obstacles they believe they and other Arabs face traveling to the United States since 9/11.

It would appear that Saudi gratitude consists of saying that they are grateful. With gratitude like this...
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 10/15/2004 10:04 Comments || Top||

#7  ZF - After 9/11 it was interesting how often the Saudis I worked with complained that they couldn't go to the US anymore cuz they'd be singled out - much better to go to Britain or Italy or somewhere. When I would say, "Yes, I understand - and agree, you might be singled out and you might feel very unwelcome. London would be much better." They'd nod, take a drag, and then start bitching about it all over again.

They didn't want to go to London, or Paris, or Rome. They wanted NY and LA and DisneyLand. Heh. Ain't life a bitch?
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 10:12 Comments || Top||

#8  If the Saudi's no longer want to subsidize the Hate America professariate that controls American higher education, it sure is OK with me. Serve them both right.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#9  They're gonna be REALLY pissed when two or three divisions roll south out of Iraq, and another couple land on their eastern and western shores, and the United States puts an end to Wahabbism and the funding of all the death and destruction waged in the name of that "religion". A "work accident" in the main palace in Riyadh would be a nice change of pace, eh?
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/15/2004 12:02 Comments || Top||

#10  Right on OP. Wahabbism is a cult that combined with Naziism resulted in today's Al Q. If there are fewer SA folk coming to the US all the better says I. And yes, we need to be working hard and fast on alternative energy sources or at least seriously stretching the sources we have. Let them drink their oil and eat their sand. Once they've done that again for 20 years, we can talk.
Posted by: remote man || 10/15/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#11  are a shingle on the ass cheek of the world

:> Nice turn of phrase.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#12  Nah. Wasn't us. We outsource all that shit to the Mossad...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#13  I listened on the car radio today some Saudi information ad trying to put them in a better light. When they allow women to vote and they allow religious freedom in their country, I will listen. Otherwise they can have a nice warm cup of STFU.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:26 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Japan Shaken by Strong Offshore Earthquake
A strong offshore earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.6 shook southern Japan today. There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage. The quake was centred some 55 miles below the ocean floor near Yonaguni Island, which lies between Okinawa and Taiwan, about 1,240 miles south-west of Tokyo, the Meteorological Agency said.

There were no reports of injuries or structural damage, according to Okinawa Prefectural Police. They said the quake, which occurred deep below the ocean floor, was not felt in Okinawa's prefectural capital of Naha. The Meteorological Agency said there was no threat of tsunam.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 1:44:03 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Taiwan Struck by Magnitude 7 Quake, Worst Since 1999
Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Taiwan was struck by a magnitude 7 earthquake, its worst since the trembler that killed 2,500 people in 1999. There were no immediate reports of casualties. The quake occurred at 12:08 p.m. and was centered 109 kilometers (66 miles) off the northeast shore, the Central Weather Bureau said. It was also felt in southern Japan. A building in Taoyung county south of Taipei collapsed. ``We have dispatched a rescue party to check of anyone was trapped in the building, said Chan Chang-hao, a firefighter in the county. No further details were immediately available.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 1:42:19 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Vandals target GOP signs in York
Just more for our list of Dim dirty work.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/15/2004 1:40:51 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As I suggested yesterday...
SPRING LOADED BOOBY-TRAP WITH RUNNY DOGGY POOP!
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||


ABC Nightline Interview Vietcong
I know I'm missing something here. Let's go interview Charlie, maybe he has an insight into this matter that none of the Vets who were there do. Duh! WTF. Hell they would have interviewed Ho Chi Minh if he was alive. LMAO.This is hilarious. Both in Unfoit for Coammnd and in Hanoi John's own autobiography are 180 degrees out of sync wit this piece. Did ABC ever consider interviewing the Vets that were there. Bizzaro news coverage.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/15/2004 1:33:43 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kerry Dinky Dou !! Kerry Dinky Dou !!!
Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: crazyhorse || 10/15/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||

#2  It's what we do. I long for the days of joshing with FDR about the dead trout and his shrew of a wife.
Posted by: E R Murrow || 10/15/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, she was a bitch wasn't she, Eddie? But try dealing with Joan Crawford when she's got a package on. Jesus...
How 'bout a smoke?
Posted by: Walt Winchell || 10/15/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#4  This had to come from the ABC Goebbelist, Mark Halperin, and his "ANIMAL FARM" view of the election... "All candidates are equal, but some are more equal than others."
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Better get statements from the bar girls too! they always have juicy stories about GIs. Maybe they will find a tall, long faced, 30ish vietnamese running around we may have a male heri to the Kerry name! PLEASE OH PLEASE! As far as interviewing charlie....LOL. I am sure they will get an honest story there.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 19:09 Comments || Top||


Dueling Documentaries: ABC to air documentary on Kerry in Vietnam
ABC TV has produced and will air next week a documentary on the Vietnam War fight that has both distinguished and dogged John Kerry's presidential campaign. ... [T]he 1969 incident for which Kerry won a Silver Star has also been the focus of one of his most virulent enemies, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who charge that all the senator-to-be did that day was shoot one wounded Vietnamese teenage boy in the back as he fled. Recently ABC interviewed survivors of that skirmish, and it plans to broadcast the results of those interviews on Thursday at 11:35 p.m. EDT.
Set your calendar, if you have a strong enough stomach.
Interviewees include those who witnessed Kerry's boat approach the village of Nah Vi, saw fighting and knew both casualties and survivors. An anti-Kerry documentary focusing on his anti-war activities is also expected to air over Sinclair Broadcasting channels before the election.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 1:31:46 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Africa: Subsaharan
Tsvangirai to know his fate today
The verdict in Zimbabwe's treason trial of Morgan Tsvangirai is expected today. Tsvangirai, the leader of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), faces a possible death penalty if found guilty.

Tsvangirai is accused of allegedly plotting to "eliminate" Robert Mugabe, the Zimbabwean president, and organising a military coup ahead of the 2002 presidential polls. The MDC leader has denied the charges. The state based its case on evidence from its star witness, Ari Ben Menashe, the former Israeli intelligence official, and a grainy video he secretly recorded of a meeting he held with Tsvangirai in Canada.
Bob is a lot of things, but subtle he's not.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/15/2004 12:45:10 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Found not guilty, government did not prove case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted by: Old Fogey || 10/15/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Why do I think being found not guilty won't stop Bob from finding a way to execute him.
Posted by: Steve || 10/15/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||

#3  I saw what you did in NOLA.
Posted by: The Lord God || 10/15/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
2004 Election: Voter Fraud Roundup
There's been a request for a one-stop summary of the incidents of voter fraud leading up to this election. The National Review Online's KerrySpot blog sent me to HobbsOnline, by Nashville journalist and PR man Bill Hobbs, which has exactly that. Go ye and read all the dirt, and try not to burst a blood vessel.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 12:43:22 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  After reading that, I think I'm a potential customer for Tater's stash...
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 1:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Is anyone but me worried about why (yuou know who) has been so quiet? All we get is the odd "Fry 'Em Up" Is the end near? Should we buy likker? Fish Hooks? Well bred dawgs? Is the end near?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Doctor: Iraqi May Have Been Fatally Wounded
An Iraqi who was shot by a U.S. tank company commander now charged with murder appears to have been mortally wounded before the officer fired, a doctor testified Thursday. U.S. Army Capt. Rogelio Maynulet, 29, faces a possible court-martial for the May 21 death of a driver for militant Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr near Kufa, south of Baghdad. He denies the charges of murder and dereliction of duty. He was leading his 1st Armored Division tank company on a patrol when it came across a BMW sedan believed to be carrying al-Sadr militiamen and a chase ensued. U.S. soldiers fired at the vehicle, wounding both the driver and passenger.

As hearings to determine whether Maynulet should be court-martialed concluded, a U.S. military surgeon told the court he had repeatedly viewed the incident in footage recorded by an American drone aircraft. Maj. Robert Knetsche said he could not determine conclusively whether body movements by the wounded driver were voluntary, or involuntary after he was brain dead. But he added, "I think that he had lethal injuries." Speaking of Maynulet, he said: "I think what he did was an act of mercy."
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Posted by: Steve White || 10/15/2004 1:24:11 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When: June, 1972
Where: the road to An Loc, then under siege by the North Vietnamese army.
What: An ambush and airstrike, a dust-off mission by a young warrant officer,
Who: an NVA regular with napalm burns over 90% of his body, eyes gone, bleeding from shrapnel and bullet wounds but still alive-----and begging for water----and to be killed.

What would you have done?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 1:57 Comments || Top||

#2  It is beyond belief that this US soldier is being persecuted for his act of mercy. What should he have done? take pictures, ask for a signed order, bring multiple witnesses and wait for their unanimous consent?

Someone must have accused him. Who?

AtoCon: without hesitation, water, and mercy.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/15/2004 2:35 Comments || Top||

#3  [P]rosecutor Capt. Dan Sennott maintained that it was not certain that the driver was dead when Maynulet shot him

Er, yeah. That's why Maynulet calls it a "mercy". It's pretty hard to kill a dead guy.
Posted by: beer_me || 10/15/2004 3:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Respectfully, Kalle, I disagree.

Our military holds its officers to high standards - and that is at the core of its professionalism. I don't know the facts in this case, but even mercy killings need to be examined carefully to be sure we are not giving a green light to acts that are unethical or against agreements we've made (Geneva Conventions).

I hope this young captain is cleared, assuming the testimony supports that. But I support the official inquiry. To do otherwise is to undermine the morale, discipline and accountability of our forces.
Posted by: rkb || 10/15/2004 5:40 Comments || Top||

#5  I know the folks at TalkLeft were incensed when this first came out.
What would be their view of Dr. Kevorkian, I wonder.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 10/15/2004 7:43 Comments || Top||

#6  AC: An NVA? I would have left him to die on his own.
Posted by: BH || 10/15/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
The NY Sun Notices Guardian Letter Campaign
London Guardian Seeks to Rally Voters Against Bush
A liberal British newspaper's campaign to influence the White House race, by having its readers write to undecided voters in a key county in the must-win state of Ohio, has prompted senior Republican lawmakers to question whether the Capitol Hill press accreditation should be withdrawn from the publication's two Washington correspondents.

The write-in campaign started this week by the London-based, 400,000-circulation Guardian, is focused on Ohio's Clark County and is seen as a bid to deliver the state to Democrat John Kerry. Readers are being encouraged by the paper to sign up by e-mail to receive the names and mailing addresses of Clark County voters and are advised to be courteous in their missives.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert is unimpressed, however, by what the Guardian calls its "public service." His spokesman, John Feehery, said the Guardian's campaign is partisan and therefore "unethical" and "inappropriate" for a newspaper. "We tend to let the Standing Committee of Correspondents decide on accreditation status in the press galleries, but the Guardian's action raises serious questions, and we would hope the committee will look at all of this very closely. It is a clear problem and the position of their journalists is untenable," Mr. Feehery told the Sun.
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Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 1:23:01 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting to see that this Guardian is being accused of anti-American editorial. I must say that I have never felt that way. Anti-Bush; yes. Anti-war; yes. And certainly highly partisan in favour of Kerry (or better yet Nader in many correspondents opinion) but not anti-American. Possibly anti- the CEOs of America Inc.. Still....it is quite a stupid thing to do in my opinion as a liberal British reader of the paper.

Just a sure fire way to irritate people and swing many towards doing the oposite to which the mpaper desires...just goes to show that despite the America-baiting prejudice of many of my UK peers, we are all just as capable of failing to think through our actions!
Posted by: Kitcar || 10/19/2004 5:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Kitcar you think they are doing this because they like US? No the hatred the Guardian has for me, my country and, my president is pretty plain by what they publish as "news" and editorial content. The pure hate of the United Strates and anti-US sentiments of the UK public are a matter of record at the BBC on a daily basis.

With it's JFK support the Guardian wishes to further the goals of Mr. George Sorros and his leftwing liberal terrorist appeasers. Those who still don't understand that everything changed in the US on 9/11. We will fight these terrroists where they live not where we live. If a bunch of screwy UK twitters want to get in the way then they are going to get mashed under the wheels.

I hope that The Guardian loses all access to US government sources. You can go to my website and see how I think how some in UK press should be treated. Oh yes and to any citizen of Britain so inclined to meddle in the US election, stay out of my election and I will stay out of yours.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/19/2004 6:57 Comments || Top||

#3  "the hatred the Guardian has for me, my country and, my president..."

You, no. Your country, because of your president. Your president, well, that's pretty obvious.

"what they publish as "news" and editorial content"

You have room to talk don't you. You're probably one of the spoon-fed acolytes of Fox News, one of the most biased, stupid and inaccurate news services in the world.

We may have a pretty poor leader, but at least we posess the intelligence to know that our goverment is under par. With old Dubya holding the keys to the most powerful country in the world, we have far more frightening times ahead.

Maybe the letter writing campaign was a step too far, but any American with an iota of intelligence (no-one in Texas then) must be able to figure out how bad that neanderthal is at running the country. The hidden microphone scandal of a week or two past shows how this 'man' cannot string a coherent sentence together.

Toodle pip old chap, from a tea drinking 'Limey' from English-shire. :)
Posted by: Snoluck Phusing8642 || 10/19/2004 17:34 Comments || Top||

#4  ROFL!!! Excellent! The astoundingly misinformed but terribly articulate, urbane, witty, wonderful, LLL tool-fool Soros poofta-ponce spouts! I'm sold, Mr Tea Sipper! *bravo* *golf clap* I'll gather up my paltry iotas, shed my Neanderthal posture, medicate my skinned knuckles, and vote for Skeery straight-away!

Lol! You knew better, but being an asinine and inane Loonie, you just couldn't help yourself, lol! And now your eyes are green again - which means you're a quart low.

FOAD / HAND!
Posted by: .com || 10/19/2004 17:48 Comments || Top||

#5  That's quite a cover you have for yourself there, Kitcar. As long as you say you don't disike Americans, just the president they pick and the policies they support, you think you appear a fair, intelligent person. That's what you'd like to communicate to all those around you, like so many of your fellow Europeans-"we care, we were with you, America, after 9/11"-not because it's a genuine feeling, but because that's the impression you want to leave. It's not who you are, it's all about the PR about you.

It's quite amusing to see Europeans poking at President Bush's supposed idiocy, when they themselves are suffering from cognitive diarrhea. Think through the majority European stance about military force, which has been used ad nauseum in regards to the case of Iraq. Europeans are largely opposed to the use of force, EVER. But what would have happened to Europe had the US stood back and let you continue with that delusional philosophy in WWII and in the Serbian/Bosnian conflict. Think there'd be any Jews on mainland Europe today? Think there'd be a Bosnian alive today?

And isn't that equally true of what would have happened to Iraqis under Saddam had Europe won out in the end? Your philosophy in action looks a lot like rubber stamping genocide while you posture as being caring, humane people.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 10/19/2004 17:56 Comments || Top||

#6  How come all the trolls have such unique names Þ
How in the heck do people supposedly in the UK know whats on FOX news? They don't they except what United States hating crap towels like the Gaurdian say. If you hate my president you hate me. We elected him. Note I said elected. Excuse Kerry is talking shit on TV and I need to vomit.
Yea FOAD. HAND.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/19/2004 18:02 Comments || Top||

#7  it's so mind boggling to comprehend the arrogance involved in believing that Americans care what a bunch of fossilized socialists want or need.

Americans have their own lives and give little thought to the fact that a bunch of hand-wringing stiffs have little better to do than to make themselve feel superior by assuming that 250 million people all fit neatly into their preconceived stereotypes. As they say, bigotry is the ultimate expression of ignorance....or perhaps in this case, arrogance.

Get your own life - losers.
Posted by: 2b || 10/19/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Suspected N.Koreans enter S.Korean China mission
Twenty men, women and children claiming to be North Koreans broke into the South Korean consulate in Beijing on Friday seeking asylum, a diplomatic source said. South Korean YTN television showed footage of the group clawing through a barbed-wire fence and scaling a wall to enter the compound in a leafy diplomatic area at dawn. The group included four children and was made up of 14 women and six men, the source said. Consulate officials were not immediately available for comment.
I hope they were too busy serving food and drinks.
Last month, 44 North Korean asylum seekers used makeshift ladders to scale the fence and leap into the Canadian embassy in Beijing. Hundreds of asylum seekers from reclusive North Korea have broken into foreign embassies and consulates in China since 2002, hoping to secure passage to wealthier South Korea, but usually in smaller groups. Sources in Beijing's diplomatic community say South Korea's consulate is a common target, and most of the asylum seekers enter on the basis of fake documents rather than breaking in. At any time there are as many as 100 holed up in the compound in Beijing's leafy diplomatic district, sometimes for weeks as they await passage to the South via a third country, they say. Two sections of an inner wire fence at the South Korean diplomatic mission had been snipped away but it was unclear how the outer fence was breached. At 8.30 a.m., two police cars were outside the compound and officers were taking notes.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/15/2004 1:19:37 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's happening with the crew that jumped the fence in to the Canadian embassy?
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/15/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#2  as many as 100 holed up in the compound in Beijing’s leafy diplomatic district,

Pretty obvious why they drew a crowd.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#3  as many as 100 holed up in the compound in Beijing’s leafy diplomatic district, Pretty obvious why they drew a crowd.


Aaaack! How in the world did I miss that snarky comment when I was editing, Ship? Thanks, I've been honestly bested.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/15/2004 14:56 Comments || Top||

#4  What happened to those who broke into the school, thinking it was an embassy?
Posted by: USN, retired || 10/15/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#5  All snarks aside USN, I haven't heard anything. That was a heartbreaker of a story.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Anything To Get Elected [Krauthammer Bitch-Slaps KEdwards]
Too good to EFL. Editors, move to page 71 if you need to. Hat tip: Power Line.
After the second presidential debate, in which John Kerry used the word ``plan" 24 times, I said on television that Kerry has a plan for everything except curing psoriasis. I should have known there is no parodying Kerry's pandering. It turned out days later that the Kerry campaign has a plan -- nay, a promise -- to cure paralysis. What is the plan? Vote for Kerry.

I'm not making this up. I couldn't. This is John Edwards on Monday at a rally in Newton, Iowa: ``If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.''

In my 25 years in Washington, I have never seen a more loathsome display of demagoguery. Hope is good. False hope is bad. Deliberately raising for personal gain false hope in the catastrophically afflicted is despicable. Where does one begin to deconstruct this outrage?
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Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 11:55:40 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dr Krauthammer is so lucid. It is amazing he was a Mondale-ite in 1984...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
$30M Of Smack Seized From Sadr
Coalition troops have seized $30 million worth of heroin intended for sale on Iraqi streets by rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's militia, the former commander of the 9,000-strong Polish force in south-central Iraq says. Lt. Gen. Mieczyslav Bieniek said the militia was using the drug profits "to pay for action" against coalition forces and that some members of the Mahdi's Army were "under the influence [while] fighting us." The Polish commander was in Washington last week and said that the heroin trade was so pervasive that militia members were known as the "pink army" — named after the red plastic bags they use to peddle the drugs...
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 11:51:41 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't pretend to be an authority, but isn't using drugs as "un-Islamic" as using liquor?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 0:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Along with Al Guardian, Sadr was obviously an "interested party" in the American election, and this material was intended for his Democrat voter registration drive.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 0:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Not sure Allah revealed the mysteries to heroin to Mohammed. One of the perils of having perfect, amber frozen knowledge revealed in the 7th century.
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 0:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Boy, is this guy Holy or what?
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 1:33 Comments || Top||

#5  .com, Yup. But more like Holy Shi'te.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 2:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Memesis - Lol! Nice turn o' phrase, heh.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 4:33 Comments || Top||

#7  mem...lol! Looks like the price of oil isn't the only thing going up.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:48 Comments || Top||

#8  It has been a practice for thousands of years in Islam to use drugs when fighting in Jihad. The word assin comes from the word hashishim. They jihadis would get tanked up on hashish befrore they fought.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/15/2004 8:56 Comments || Top||

#9  Wow, white slag. Next up, Iraqi juche.
Posted by: Sparks || 10/15/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Nothing like a little horse to while away the long Ramadan day.
Posted by: eLarson || 10/15/2004 14:42 Comments || Top||

#11  For years Islamic Terrorist Inc. has financed it various continues campaigns of terror through the illegal international narcotics trade. Lebanon, and Afghanistan/Pakistani border being principal growing regions.

Far above the money raised for Islamic terrorist groups through illegal narcotics is crude oil sales from such nations as Iran and Saudi Arabia. 'Legally earning billions by pro-jihad dictatorships keeps the world's jihadist groups supplied with cash, arms and training.

There is a working solution to greatly curbing the pratice of 'petrol-profit-funding' of global jihad. All that is lacking is the will.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Nuke reports are mistaken: Taiwan officials
Why no, we're not happy to see you, and never mind what's in our pocket.
Taiwan did have plutonium-related experiments several decades ago for the development of nuclear power, but none was about extracting plutonium as an ingredient for nuclear weapons, and the experiments were abandoned in the late 70s, the Atomic Energy Council (AEC) said yesterday, in response to a recent news report.

The Associated Press on Wednesday reported from Vienna that information from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) indicates Taiwan's plutonium separation experiments probably continued until about 20 years ago. The AP attributed that finding to unnamed diplomats, whose information was based on preliminary samples taken in Taiwan by IAEA inspectors.

AEC officials yesterday said that the report was misleading. "Several decades ago, Taiwan did carry out plutonium-related experiments in a bid to analyze the element's chemical characteristics," AEC Vice Chairman Yang Chao-yie (???) told the Taipei Times. "At that time, scientists believed that the mixture of oxidized uranium and plutonium might be a possible fuel for nuclear power plants and other things," Yang said.
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Posted by: Steve White || 10/15/2004 1:15:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The cement igroos? They left over from Arctic theme mini gof clorse"
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 8:25 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Bank teller laughs off armed would-be robber
A bank clerk didn't need a weapon to ward of a would-be robber. When the masked man pulled out a gun, she just laughed in his face. The suspect was so humiliated he ran away. The bungled holdup occurred Thursday at a small bank on Zagreb's [Croatia] main square, police said. The 31-year-old clerk, identified only as Martina S., "laughed aloud" at the threat from the bandit because she knew she was protected by a bulletproof glass, said Gordana Vulama, a police spokeswoman. After cackling at the thief, she coolly picked up the phone to call police, Vulama said. The failed robber spun around and fled the scene, police said. Police are searching for the suspect, Vulama said.
Posted by: Dar || 10/15/2004 11:40:16 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Get this...he said "I have a gub" Can you believe it?
Posted by: eLarson || 10/15/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
A clash of meanings (Post Modernism Interpretation)
Samuel P Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations, the thesis of which states that global politics has entered a new phase and that conflict in this new phase will center on clashes between civilizations, has been the subject of much discussion and debate. Yet there is a general misconception when people read Huntington, especially when they read him at the surface, that he is talking about "civilization". He is not. A deeper reading quickly reveals that Huntington is in fact talking about culture - and not all "culture" per se, but one part of culture, "religion".

This is principally a reply to Andrew Young's article The Clash of Civilizations and American Intervention in the Middle East (LewRockwell.com, October 14), but it is also addressed to others who continue to misinterpret Huntington, whose thesis, Young argues, relates directly to Western relations with Islamic civilization in the Middle East.

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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 11:38:12 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  what a load of ****! ... and let Islamic fascism take the Arab countries ?
Posted by: Anonymous6361 || 10/15/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||


Europe
Deal close in Nazi `gold train' case
Holocaust survivors from Hungary are nearing a deal with the United States government in the "gold train" case, in which the survivors are suing for compensation from the U.S. for valuables that were stolen by the Nazis and turned over to the U.S. military but never returned to the owners. Attorneys for the survivors, who filed a class-action lawsuit in May 2001, asked a federal judge in Miami, Florida, to postpone a hearing due to take place last Wednesday because they wanted to continue negotiations with the U.S. Justice Department. The judge accepted the attorneys' request, in which they said they had been making "substantial progress toward a resolution." The new hearing is set for this coming Wednesday.

The gold train case relates to a train carrying artwork, jewelry, gold and other valuables that the pro-Nazi Hungarian government had plundered from Hungarian Jews in 1944. At the end of World War II, U.S. military forces seized the train, which had been sent to Austria. The survivors' lawsuit contends that the property was never returned to its owners or heirs and was instead looted by U.S. military personnel. Meanwhile, Jewish community leaders reacted with restraint to reports of progress. World Jewish Congress President Edgar Bronfman is due to deliver a speech today in which he will say that the U.S. should decide now on some arrangement in the gold train case, because if it doesn't, it will have failed where other governments around the world have succeeded.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 11:29:27 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Surreal Metaphor From Assad
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad: 'Do Western Countries Want to Fling the Entire Region Into the Volcano? Haven't We Learned From 9/11, From the War in Iraq?... When a Volcano Erupts, its Core Strikes Countries Near and Far, Great and Small, Powerful and Weak'
The rest of the article is mostly his whining about how unfair U.N. Resolution 1559 calling for Syria to leave Lebanon is.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 11:27:44 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
One lesson of 9/11 is that Moslems should not ignite the volcano.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/15/2004 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  '..When a Volcano Erupts, its Core Strikes Countries Near and Far, Great and Small, Powerful and Weak’

Sorry Bashar, but it's all proportional in the case of the Mideast Volcano. You'll get the worst of it, while the effect on far depends on how far the distance truly is. But go ahead and believe what you want, because in the event your country is consumed, the U.S. will still be here, intact.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/15/2004 14:31 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
90,000 Muslims attend Ramadan prayers on Temple Mt.
Some 90,000 worshippers attended prayer services on the Temple Mount on Friday, the first of the month-long Muslim holiday of Ramadan. Chief of Police Moshe Karadi said police would increase their presence on the Temple Mount to prevent disruptions and regulate the passage of worshipers during Ramadan. Speaking to Israel Radio, Karadi said that the police expected tens of thousands of Muslim worshipers to attend the Ramadan rites.

On Thursday, Israel lifted a threat to limit the number of worshipers at the Temple Mount. Israeli authorities had warned they may clamp restrictions for Friday's prayers at Jerusalem's most sensitive shrine, known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary), after Israeli antiquities experts said the underground chambers called Solomon's Stables were at risk of collapse. Karadi's announced the decision to lift restrictions, after inspecting the Temple Mount yesterday and seeing that sufficient measures had been taken to build scaffolding and cordon off the dangerous areas.

Jordanian experts also came to Jerusalem Thursday to evaluate areas in need of future repair. Prime Minister Sharon told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Committee today that the government had clarified to the Jordanians, the king of Morocco and the Europeans the unequivocal need for repairs. The Waqf Muslim religious trust has taken the warnings seriously, Sharon said.
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Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 11:27:05 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Since 1967 until today Israeli governments are waging a holy war bent on destroying the Al-Aqsa mosque,"

Only one holy city per religion! Jews were there first so... move along! Nothing to see here! I hear Damascus is nice this time of the year. Or Istanbul.
Posted by: Rafael || 10/15/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#2  No collapse, huh?

Dang.
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Hush Mojo, it's not easy refocusing this damn thing.
Posted by: Not the Mossad || 10/15/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Police link discovered bombs to terrorists
Indonesian police said Friday two bombs found at a house in West Java might be the work of two Malaysian terrorists wanted for major bombings in the country. National police chief Gen. Da'i Bachtiar said the bombs, found inside two backpacks, were discovered following a powerful explosion Thursday night at a rented house in the West Java district of Cianjur. Witnesses said four unidentified men, wounded in the explosion, left after the blast and have not returned to the house. Police found the backpacks when they arrived to investigate the explosion.

Bachtiar said the bombs in Cianjur, about 60 miles southeast of Jakarta, could be linked to a terror group led by two fugitive Malaysians, Azahari Husin and Noordin Mohammed Top. Cianjur is the hometown of A. Golun, the man who detonated a suicide bomb outside the Australian Embassy in Jakarta on Sept. 9. Azahari and Noordin, believed to be senior leaders of the al-Qaida-linked Jemaah Islamiyah, are accused of a string of terror attacks including the October 2002 Bali bombings, the August 2003 blast outside Jakarta's J.W. Marriott hotel and last month's blast outside the Australian Embassy.
Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 11:26:46 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They obviously want to blow up all of our rice. If indonesia cant export rice to us there will be a world war...yes...indeed
Posted by: Quarterdeck || 10/15/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Kerry Insults Italian Military
All Italy is abuzzing today about a Kerry gaffe aired last night on HBO in Italy. As reported in today's Corriere della Sera in Italy, Defense Minister Antonio Martino criticized John Kerry for an incredible remark that the conditions of the Iraqi Army were so bad that even the Italian Army could kick their a**es.
Martino remarked that Kerry, "instead of saying what he thinks, should think about what he says."
Several prominant Americans have insulted the post-WWII Italian military for no reason, including an ambassador on a tour of their navy in a skiff, who asked whether they should instead be taking a glass-bottomed boat. The Italians are very sensitive on the subject.
Mind your manners, JFK. Silvio's got a pair.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 11:20:22 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Got a couple of media outlets of his own too, doesn't he?
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Thank you to the Italians for your service in Iraq!

Kerry's gross ignorance of European affairs is a hazard in anyone who holds national office.
Posted by: mom || 10/15/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#3  For that matter, the Italian Army can kick all the French ass it cares to.
Posted by: RWV || 10/15/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#4  All dissing of the italian military is based on it's poor leadership and morale in WW2. The Italians under Rommel were respectable fighters.
Kerry is a complete moron classist moron.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 1:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Wow. A few more remarks like this and Kerry will not have any Europe left to be nuanced and diplomatic with.

Fabrizio Quattrocchi was a civilian, but if the Italian Army has any more like him, they've got spunk and to spare.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/15/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||

#6  I've always thought that Italian military deficiencies in WW2 were related to a widespread reluctance among Italians to get their asses shot off for Mussolini and his master, Hitler. This is scarcely something to fault them for.
Even so, the Italian forces did have much to be proud of, and many of their deficiencies are exaggerated in popular history.
The daring feats of the Maiale ("human torpedoes" ie, UDT mini-subs) were among the most remarkable of the whole war, and reflect a flair for special operations that is still evident today.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 1:50 Comments || Top||

#7  So this means Kerry has sneered at

--Allawi (a "puppet");
--Kwasniewski and the Poles (pimps);
--the Italians (clowns);
--and, through his silence, the Australians, for favoring the war and re-electing Howard by a landslide.

What a disgusting, pathetic, petty little sh*t this man is! He's as nasty and stupid as Jimmy Carter. Screw this shameless little opportunist.
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 1:55 Comments || Top||

#8  RWV

You should watch your history. In June 1940 Italy stabbed France in the back (Roosevelt's own words) but despite being heavily outnumbered and depleted the Army of the Alps repulsed the Italians with heavy losses. Only in the far south of the front (Army of the Rhone was more concerned about Germans adavancing from the North) did the Italians manage to make a tiny advance and reach the outskirsts of Menton: the first village after the border, just a couple miles of it. BTW, the success against the Italians boosted the morale of the Army of the Alpes whose detached units stopped the Germans who were advancing towards Lyon


Sock Pupppet of Doom.

The Italians problem was not only lack of leadership and morale but abyssal equipment. During Wavell's ride in late 1940 they had nothing who could take the Matilda tank, their second line units had guns who were over fifty years, the bad thing being that those guns missed the revolution who occurred around 1890 and were crap even in 1914. But the few units who were devcently equipped and led were not respectable they were heroical. It was the Ariete division and the Italian paratroopers who fighting agasint impossible odds managed to save the Afrika korps at el Alamein.

For the Italian navy: it was a white elephant: it was poorly trained since all the money went to build ships who looked impressive on paper but lacked essential facilities. At Cape Matapan the Italians lacked ammo with reduced flames for night fighting, meaning that the British gunners could easily pick Italian ships from the flames of their guns while that those same flames had a severe effect on the night vision of the Italian gunners.

But Italian manned torpedoes infiltrated Alexandria's haebor and inflicted severe damage on two British battleships. A testimony of Italian courage.
Posted by: JFM || 10/15/2004 2:26 Comments || Top||

#9  JFM...interesting.

Ahh..but that was then....now the only thing the French have in their arsenal are Belgian chocolates that they offer to their enemies if they will go away.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 4:20 Comments || Top||

#10  JFM - If Bush wins, I think it'll be time to get you outta there. You've done your bit, we should get your tail over here where you belong. What sort of climate do your prefer, friend? We've got it, regardless, somewhere in the US.

Now if Skeery wins, well, you'll have to go underground and wait it out, like me. It could get pretty bleak... no make that: it will get pretty bleak. And it will take 4-6 years to undo the damage of those 4 years, so I'm figuring on about 10, total, just to return to the current point. Of course, we'll have gained some bloody but useful experience in that time, being fucking defenseless and having no leadership. Israel might have a few smokin' holes and be largely uninhabitable and Iran may be slagged to glass. I think the silver lining of a Skeery win is that we'd have to kill or deport a large chunk of our loonies when they refuse to accept Skeery's failed re-election or successful impeachment, whichever it turns out to be. That would be a bloody good thing, bro. I'll come back for the festivities.

Then you can come home.

Cheers, bro. Please ignore our more strident anti-French voices. They're lumping everyone in with the Chirac regime. Bad leaders can take good people for a bad ride. Zappie and Skeery come to mind immediately. Be patient with us.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 5:25 Comments || Top||

#11  JFM...are you French? If so, I'm sorry. Nothing against you personally and the other good French people who are being taken for a socialist ride.

It's just that the whole Anti-American thing wears on us and we get tired of it.

My apologies.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:31 Comments || Top||

#12  Not quite, 2b. Beijing is looking to buy more than chocolates from Chirac.
Posted by: rkb || 10/15/2004 5:34 Comments || Top||

#13  sigh...I suppose we will all be in a similar position if Kerry wins.

But I'd be concerned if I were Chirac. Kerry will probably just give China the nukes for free...to deter them from using them and all that other psychobabble....and cost Chirac his lucrative contracts.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 5:40 Comments || Top||

#14  Have you noticed lately that the candidate who keeps saying we need to build strong alliances and repair our relationship with traditional allies has been systematically insulting all of the coalition members? I'm starting to wonder if this is a tactic to drive our real allies away in order to affect our success in Iraq. It has that weird feeling, like the Cheney comments, that he is saying one thing while meaning another.
Posted by: BH || 10/15/2004 9:23 Comments || Top||

#15  I just posted a linked story about Japans' leaders slamming Kerry re: NK specifically, but the "coalition of bribed and coerced" was a particularly non-nuanced bit of stupidity
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#16  The Italian Army in WW2 had pre WW1 and WW1 equipment(not sure about quality of the leadership)they were badly out classed.JFM,come to Arizona.We have a fine wine called Tombstone Red,goes great with scorpion,tarantula,and rattlesnake.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/15/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#17  BH...like the Cheney comment...

That's an interesting observation. But I still suspect he is just stupid and says whatever pops into his head from one crowd to the next - never remembering or caring.

Kerry's mom to lil' Kerry's mom: son, it's a good thing you have all that ambition, cause you sure don't have any brains. And remember, integrity, integrity, integrity!
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 9:59 Comments || Top||

#18  ...and, through his silence, the Australians, for favoring the war and re-electing Howard by a landslide.

Kerry wasn't actually silent; his sister went there to ostensibly do a get-the-expat-vote. She informed the Aussies that the bombings in Bali and at their embassy were because they'd joined the US on the WoT; essentially saying the best way to be safe was to not re-elect the current government.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/15/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#19  WWII was an abberation, and we were lucky because of it, but remember the Italians have a fightin' tradition going back 2500 years!

Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:31 Comments || Top||

#20  Tell us again JFM! It's worth hearing often! Seriously.

Far as the Italian Navy, I recall that the Captain of the Queen Elizabeth was making fun of them about the same time the attached mine went off.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 14:01 Comments || Top||

#21  After the war Luigi Durand de la Penne (the italian who entered Alexandria) had a decoration pinned on his chest by none other than by the commander of one of the damaged battleships.
Posted by: JFM || 10/15/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#22  What happened to the Italians since the time of Julius Caesar? I think they may actually have gotten tired of war. The early middle ages was apparently a pretty violent time, with Lombards and Muslims constantly attacking, and driving most of the inhabitants up to the hilltop towns that you see everywhere today. Later these towns spent several centuries fighting each other.
Posted by: V is for Victory || 10/15/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#23  .com and raptor

My sincerest thank you, I am still not ready to move but I prefer hot and dry climates. :-)
Posted by: JFM || 10/15/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#24  They DID conquer Albania! and let's not forget the snazzy military uniforms...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#25  In WWII, the Ghurkas said the Italians were some of the bravest fighters they faced. That's good enough for Me.

Heck, I sure wouldn't fight very hard for Il Duce or Der Furher either.

But back to the main point, after this many times, I don't think it's a slip any more. J. Forbes Kerry is more comfortable with our enemies than our friends, just like Jimmeh.

You know what? I do question his patriotism. I used to think he was just your standard idiotarian, but I now think he's still a hate-America leftist and always was. His "flip-flops" are just when he's torn between his beliefs and trying to not act too far to the left for Massachusetts voters.
Posted by: jackal || 10/15/2004 21:54 Comments || Top||


Europe
Norway royal bloodline 'British'
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 11:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DNA testing to follow.
All of those experts from the Simpson trial are rushing to Oslo to offer their services!
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 11:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Some people (and I use the term loosely) just can't leave well enough alone.

This information, if true, is supposed to help the Norwegians how, exactly?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#3  And this just in: British royal bloodline 'German', 'Greek', 'Spanish', 'French', 'Dutch'...
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/15/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Almost all of Euorpean royalty is related(alot of hemophiliacs in the Royal houses),no news here.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/15/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Of course, if true it didn't have to be "artifical" insemination. But that opens a whole seperate pile of fun.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 10/15/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#6  Fortinbras was a Brit?...
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 14:11 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Politicize This!
IT REMAINS TRUE that people beset by an unhealthy thirst for politics tend to see politics everywhere. This monomania was most recently on display with the left's embrace of Roland Emmerich's fine disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow because they thought it was an assault on George W. Bush.

Brace yourself for more silliness. Today Matt Stone and Trey Parker's Team America: World Police debuts. Sean Penn has already taken to the ramparts, fuming at the movie's depiction of him and lamenting its right-wing message which will "encourage irresponsibility that will ultimately lead to the disembowelment, mutilation, exploitation, and death of innocent people throughout the world." Further out on the left, the Daily Kos is similarly disturbed by Team America: "The apparent goal of the movie was to make it a satirical jab at every facet of the 'war on terror.' Problem is, I think our side got the worst of it."

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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 11:14:10 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...As much as I hate to admit this, I will probably go see TA this weeekend - give Stone and Parker this, they have skewered both sides equally.
BTW - I saw one ep of 'That's My Bush' - I laughed so hard I cried.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/15/2004 11:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Any movie that has a "shattering dénouement" is guaranteed to be a piece of crap. Some kind of natural law.
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#3  As a side note, Sean Penn’s next film is The Assassination of Richard Nixon. He plays a common man who is driven to assassination by the president’s political corruption.

Until someone steals his guns out of the trunk of his car. Then he's just shit outta luck. The End.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 12:23 Comments || Top||

#4  What has Messrs. Penn and Kos so hot is that Hollywood actors are portrayed as self-important, callow, anti-American jerks.

And this is inaccurate . . . how?
Posted by: Mike || 10/15/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#5  "In no particular order: Hans Blix is fed to sharks, the city of Cairo is destroyed, Helen Hunt is cut in half with a samurai sword, and certain of the puppets engage in various acts of sexual depredation."

Michael Moore is blown to bits as well, and not by Monica Lewinsky. (I get the warm fuzzies just thinking about all this.)

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#6  f*ck it bro's I'm seeing this thing. I liked "that's my bush" as well. Bush backing independent I think the Parker/Stone are pretty damn funny. Their skits of satan & saddam being homo lovers in hell makes me lmao.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#7  These guys are just funny as hell. No sacred cows and great humor. It's a must see.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 20:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Michael Moore is blown to bits as well, and not by Monica Lewinsky.

Finally, a movie the whole family can enjoy.
Posted by: Charles || 10/15/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
P.J. O'Rourke: Putting Words in the President's Mouth
Putting Words in the President's Mouth
Sixteen obvious points that George W. Bush should make during the Wednesday night debate.

(1) My opponent, Massachusetts senator John Kerry--or, as I like to think of him, Teddy Kennedy with a designated driver . . .

(2) There are two organizations pushing for change in November--al Qaeda and the Democratic party. And they both have the same message: "We're going to fix you, America." On the whole, the terrorists have a more straightforward plan for fixing things. They're going to blow themselves up. Although, come to think of it, Howard Dean did that.

(3) Senator Kerry, what do you mean my administration "lost" 1.6 million jobs? Did Dick Cheney accidentally leave 1.6 million jobs in the Senate men's room or something? Did you find them? Have you got 1.6 million jobs that you're hiding, Senator Kerry? And if you're elected, are you going to give them back?

(4) Speaking of jobs, Senator, how come every illegal immigrant who wades the Rio is able to find one in about 10 minutes? Meanwhile, your Democratic core constituency has been unemployed for years. Are your supporters lazy, Senator Kerry? Or are they stupid? Back when Clinton was president, did your supporters think they got their jobs at Burger King because Bill was sleeping with the cow?

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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 11:04:00 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That is awesome. God bless O'Rourke.

Reading his Parliament of Whores now. Had me falling off my chair at times.
Posted by: The Doctor || 10/15/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#2 
What are you going to do, Senator, give Saddam Hussein a mulligan and let him take his tee shot over?
That pretty much covers it.

O'Rourke is a god. :-D
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#3  I like the part of illegals being able to find a job in ten minutes. OUCH! That's going ot leave a mark!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually, (7) and maybe (8) would've of been more then feasible for the debate, I would've lost my bearing hearing W punk Kerry out w/one of those.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Holidays from Hell is very highly recommended. Only PJ O'R could write about the Communists love of concrete and make it hilariously funny.
Posted by: phil_b || 10/15/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||


Britain
Capt. Hook to face charges in Britain
Britain will charge radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri with terrorism offences, putting U.S. attempts to extradite him over a 1998 hostage-taking in Yemen on hold. Prosecutors and police on Friday said only that a decision had been taken on whether to charge Abu Hamza. But a source familiar with the case confirmed to Reuters that prosecutors had advised he should be charged in Britain. The outspoken cleric, who has preached in support of Osama bin Laden, is already in British jail after the United States began legal steps to extradite him. The United States has indicted him on 11 counts including having a role in the 1998 hostage-taking in Yemen in which four people died. The cleric, who has one eye and a steel hook after being wounded in Afghanistan fighting Soviet forces, was arrested under a U.S. warrant in May. But in August Britain launched its own probe to see whether it could mount a case against him. A full five-day extradition hearing was due to start on October 19 but would have to be postponed until after any case raised in Britain is answered, officials have said.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 1:08:20 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's long over due.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Fry 'em up. Lard.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Can you imagine the hideous spawn were he and Lynn Stewart ever to hook up in prison. Best he stays in Britain, just in case.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 18:41 Comments || Top||

#4  tick… tick… tick… tick…
Posted by: Korora || 10/15/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Smee. Do you hear that?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 19:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Great photoshop work.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/15/2004 23:30 Comments || Top||

#7  I wonder what made the Brits finally take action? The US charges? Embarrassment? Spinal transplant?

They've had this vermin in their midst for years. He's been doing the same shit ever since he came to Finsbury. They could've taken his ass down long ago. Better late than never, I guess - but get yourselves a death penalty, boys. Your pussified PC Penal Code is a dipshit social engineer's dream, but it's not worth warm spit against killers.

Rule O' Thumb: If it's all grown up, and it's broken, you're just gonna hafta kill it if you want the grief to end.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 23:42 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thai troops fight terror pillion-style
Having tried bullet-proof versions of Thailand's three-wheel "tuk tuks" and armoured sentry-boxes, the Thai army has come up with a new security solution for troops in its restive south: the back-to-front motorbike team. Soldiers riding pillion have been told to sit facing backwards to counter the threat of separatist gunmen in the kingdom's Muslim-majority south. Some 315 people have been killed this year. Despite complaints from troops about the awkward riding position and difficulties keeping the bike upright, Thai Army General Palangoon Klaharn said it would be much safer for the men. "If we ride backwards, it will more difficult to be attacked or if it happens, we can respond immediately," Palangoon told AFP.
"What do troops know about anything anyway? It's even safer for them if the bikes fall over and they can't leave the parking lot," he forgot to add.
He said the idea was the brainchild of Defence Minister Chetta Thanajaro. Chetta has also mooted banning pillion passengers among civilians after a two-man gun team on a motorcycle emerged as a favoured tactic of separatists following a resurgence in violence since January.
Rantburg's Motorcycles of Doom (TM), all rights reserved.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/15/2004 10:58:43 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder, did the "separatists" (what PC-Pussies at news.com.au) have the gunman ride backwards, too?
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Collapse of Australian democracy turns the refugee tide [Parody. I think.]
EFL. Hat tip: Cracker Barrel Philosopher
HERE is a report from the New York Times:

THE international community is bracing for an influx of political refugees following the collapse of democracy in Australia.
Send 'em to Phwrance!
Last night the UN Security Council was in emergency session on the situation in Australia, where John Howard seized power in a bloodless election on Saturday. The defeat of democracy had been long foreshadowed by the country's artists and intellectuals, as well as by some prominent columnists.
Just like in America.
"For this to happen in one of the world's most stable democracies is a tragedy that must not be allowed to go unchallenged", said UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.
Sounds like that weasel.
Mr Howard's election coup occurred without violence. It was brilliantly organised and took the form of more than 7700 mini-coups in so-called "polling places" around the nation.
No wonder the intellectual "elite" are so shocked; the "little people" aren't supposed to have any say-so! What do they know?
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Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 10:57:18 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can and WILL this happen in the U.S.? I really hope so! ;-)
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 11:27 Comments || Top||

#2  CS - from your keyboard to [insert diety of your choice]'s eye!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
team america debuts today-movie review with spoilers
In three weeks, millions of Americans will choose between neo-conservatism's foreign-policy-as-fulfilment the-Book-of-Revelations vision of the future and the pansy-ass internationalism of a progressively nutty Leftist establishment run by emasculated queers who watch art-house fag films like Before Sunset. For independent voters resistant to utopian ideology, as well as relentlessly immature Hollywood boy geniuses who make millions of dollars playing with construction-paper cutouts and speaking win funny voices, this election represents a stark dilemma: Nobody wants to waste his or her vote on a third-party candidate—especially when there's no fruitcake like Ross Perot who makes vote-wasting enjoyable. (Ralph Nader, though a fruitcake, is no longer enjoyable.) In fact, it's obvious to all that the big-government romantics on both sides of the Culture War have totally lost their minds.

Thank God for Team America: World Police, the marionette-o-vision Homeland Security drama from South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone opening nationwide October 15. This movie is more than just therapy for anyone who has missed nights of sleep trying to decide between Empire and Appeasement or allowed their girlfriends to drag them to see Before Sunset: It is a moral vision of America's future delivered by two of our nation's finest political thinkers. It also makes your breath fresh, your teeth whiter, and teaches children their multiplication tables.
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Posted by: muck4doo || 10/15/2004 10:56:17 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anyone else find this review, well, more offensive than anything Parker and Stone have ever done? I mean "Jew Talk"?

(And I'm speaking as someone who's seen -- and enjoyed! -- "Cannibal: The Musical")
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  You know I wasn’t going to see this, but when I heard the LLL were angry with the film I will have to see it! Not o give the entire movie but I hear most of the LLL are killed during the movie. Also taking my son for a rare Dad/Son movie night. He is a big South Park fan and has done wonder to shape his political leanings. The LLL mistakenly thought that Trey Parker and Matt Stone were making fun of only conservatives. Shallow people they are they never really look at the true plots of the South Park episodes. Ever see the rain forest episode? They trashed the eviro-nazi but good in that one. Can’t wait to see it!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 11:17 Comments || Top||

#3  ROFLMAO!!!

"There are three kinds of people in this world..."

Sorry, RC, but I've been trying to stop laughing so I could comment for about 5-6 minutes, now. I've been to Coporate Mofo a few times before - so their "style" isn't a surprise for me. Oh man, my sides hurt like hell. And my face - I haven't laughed this hard in months. I've had to correct 20-30 errors in just this little snippet. But I can mutiply like a Corp Mofo, now, lol!

Before Sunset / Sunrise must be Beyond the Valley of Suckiness.
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I laughed. I cried. I laughed somemore. And that was just from reading the CorporateMoFo.com movie review. Can't wait to see the real thing. If you've got any doubts, go see the online trailer and the clips on the official movie web site.

Mucky: Thanks for posting this link. Made my day.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/15/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#5  I've been to Coporate Mofo a few times before - so their "style" isn't a surprise for me.

*shrug*

Doesn't do much for me.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#6  sory you didnt like it rc. woohoo ima outta work early today and am head to em theeter right now. ima try an come back later with em thoughts on it. :)

ima close my eyes when itn come janeane garafolo scene tho.
Posted by: muck4doo || 10/15/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Bruce Westbrook, reviewing it for the Houston Chronicle, said he found the performances "wooden".

(He didn't like the movie. He said it didn't have the "subversive" character of South Park. I'll bet he just didn't get all the jokes.)
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 10/15/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#8  mucky, can't do that, janeane is just like the hideous car wreck or road kill that one can't help but look at......
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#9  lol! ima get em purdy good nonymus name. jus got back and ima give it two thumb up. gonna go get the soundtrack in em while. ima can't get song out of my head. america, f*** yeah! must see if lotta profanity isnt bother you. also be ready see hot n heavy puppet porn.
Posted by: Chinese Chinelet7536 || 10/15/2004 17:15 Comments || Top||

#10  was almost forgot. yourn gonna love kim jong ils pet panthers.
Posted by: muck4doo || 10/15/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||

#11  yeah, I dig the puppet porn to dude...hey, wait a minute.....wrong website.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 19:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
WTF? Teresa's cure for Arthritis: Gin and White Raisins?
Drudge - breaking
TERESA SHARES REMEDY FOR ARTHRITIS AT CAMPAIGN STOP: 'You get some gin and get some white raisins — and only white raisins — and soak them in the gin for two weeks. Then eat nine of the raisins a day'...

For an extremely rich loony bag-lady, she's a peach. I hope they never shut her up.....lol!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:49:30 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  White raisins? What is she a shaheed now?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/15/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#2  dunno - he's not linking to a source yet, but I saw that and my jaw hit the space bar....white raisins??? Gin explains a lot of her fugue states on the stage
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmm the Dim health plan perhaps. Ok let's bleed the patient for a while.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 10/15/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually, that's been around for quite a while. It seems to work for some people, though no one knows why.

My question is, with her money and complete separation from reality, how did she find out about it?

It's more a remedy for the "little people."
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/15/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#5  RACIST RACIST RACIST!

WHITE RAISINS
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Are these the same raisins the suicide bombers get?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#7  sounds like a Kerry plan to import arthritis drugs from France and Britain
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  LOL - it's from Reno Gazette Journal: Headline is Heinz Kerry Pitches Health Care
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#9  After 8 weeks of the Heinz-Kerry treatment you reach the magical 72 virgin raisins and spontaneously blow up.
Posted by: Urako || 10/15/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#10  1. I LIKE white raisins. Like whats your problem?

2. Gin. Well i usually go easy on that. But between Bush and Kerry, thats pretty good reason for more gin right there.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#11  1. I LIKE white raisins. Like whats your problem?

2. Gin. Well i usually go easy on that. But between Bush and Kerry, thats pretty good reason for more gin right there.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#12  1. I LIKE white raisins. Like whats your problem?

2. Gin. Well i usually go easy on that. But between Bush and Kerry, thats pretty good reason for more gin right there.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 10/15/2004 11:33 Comments || Top||

#13  Make that 8 days.
Posted by: Urako || 10/15/2004 11:38 Comments || Top||

#14  She must have gotten it from 'cesarean-sections-cure-palsy' John Edwards....

Junk science just like their junk 'Plans'....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/15/2004 11:45 Comments || Top||

#15  A peek into nationalized Health Care under Kerry's Administration
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#16  If/when Bush wins in a couple of weeks, can the T-lady be found a position as White House Jester?
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/15/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#17  if that crew gets in the white house, may Heaven help us.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/15/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#18  If/when Bush wins in a couple of weeks, can the T-lady be found a position as White House Jester?

The only position 'T' wants to be in is while wearing a strap-on.
Posted by: badanov || 10/15/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#19  My question is, with her money and complete separation from reality, how did she find out about it?

Probably growing up in Mozambique.
Posted by: Pappy || 10/15/2004 12:39 Comments || Top||

#20  What's with the raisins? Sounds like a way to ruin some perfecly good gin, assuming there is such a thing.
Posted by: Grush Spinesh6335 || 10/15/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#21  One of the doctors here can probably correct me on this if I'm wrong, but doesn't alcohol in general make many forms of arthritis worse?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 10/15/2004 13:09 Comments || Top||

#22  One of the problems with THK's theory is that a lot of arthitis patients take over the counter pain killers.

Having a lot of gin with these can be a problem. In particular, if you drink heavily and take tylenol, its a big strain on the liver.
Posted by: mhw || 10/15/2004 13:35 Comments || Top||

#23  "Sounds like a way to ruin some perfecly good gin, assuming there is such a thing."

Ahem. **ANY** gin is perfectly good gin.
Posted by: Dave D. || 10/15/2004 13:55 Comments || Top||

#24  Just wait until you hear her cure for spinal cord injury John Edwards has been bragging about.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/15/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#25  ANY gin is good gin? What is this, an anglophile? Phuii! Maybe good for cleaining grease off car rims, but... 12 year old single malt Scotch - Macallan's to be specific. Drink of the gods.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#26  Talisker, neat. Lagavullin will do, too. Or Oban in a pinch
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#27  Tanqueray is considered the best gin.
Posted by: badanov || 10/15/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#28  Talisker's OK. Dalhwinnie is lovely. Haven't tried the others. Laphroaig tastes like iodine. Can't account for all tastes.
Posted by: Weird Al || 10/15/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#29  Being British by birth (and American by choice) I have always believed in the medicinal and therapeutic value of gin. I have never been afflicted with arthritis however, and I believe that the first lush lady self-designate has an obligation to provide some clinical evidence.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/15/2004 15:49 Comments || Top||

#30  I've heard ordinary gin won't do - it has to be Gordon's.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 10/15/2004 16:09 Comments || Top||

#31  Giving the serf a little credit here, but it looks like he can only shit in one spot. Thank god the Moslem Albanians are on our side. Right Boris?
Posted by: Francis Marion || 10/15/2004 16:34 Comments || Top||

#32  Whoopsie. My Bader looks like time to call down clan McJihadi on Big Ed? Say it ain't so!
Posted by: Francis Marion || 10/15/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#33  So that's how we'll save on Health Care.
Posted by: danking70 || 10/15/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||

#34   I've heard ordinary gin won't do - it has to be Gordon's.

That's all Tarayza drinks. All day long.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||

#35  So it has come to this: the most heavily commented article on Rantburg today is Tarayza's arthritis cure. I'm sure she's feeling no pain. I can hardly wait for this election to be over.
Posted by: Tom || 10/15/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||

#36  no wonder Tayrahsah looks drunk and says stupid things all the time.
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 19:36 Comments || Top||

#37  I thik she has a penchant for this
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/15/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#38  gin is horse linament, right?
nasty stuff.
gimme rum, matey!
Posted by: meeps || 10/15/2004 22:18 Comments || Top||


Britain
Blair hoses down Catholicism talk
PRIME Minister Tony Blair today dismissed speculation that he intends to convert to Roman Catholicism. Blair is an Anglican but has accompanied his wife Cherie, a Catholic, and their children to Mass regularly, triggering several reports in recent years that he might switch faiths. Several British newspapers today quoted a Catholic priest, who regularly presides over services at Blair's country estate Chequers, as saying he thought Blair might convert. "If you ask me do you think he wants to become a Catholic, I would say yes," Father Timothy Russ, was quoted as saying. The Guardian newspaper quoted Russ as saying: "He didn't say to me, 'Can I become a Catholic?' What he said to me was 'Can the prime minister be a Catholic?"

Blair dismissed the reports today, when asked about them by reporters accompanying him to a political summit in Hungary. "I am saying no. Don't they run this once a year?" he said, referring to the regular surfacing of the story. "I think they do. Every year I get this. My wife is a Roman Catholic," Britain's news agency Press Association quoted him as saying. Britain's state religion is the Church of England, a Protestant denomination. There is no constitutional barrier to a prime minister being a Catholic, though there hasn't been one since the early 18th century, when the title of prime minister first came into use, said constitutional expert Lord St John of Fawsley. By law, the monarch must be a Protestant.
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#1  Must be getting close to Guy Fawkes Day. Wonder if the Guy will have a Chiraq mask this year.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Bashir faces death penalty
INDONESIAN prosecutors have formally charged militant Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir with involvement in a suicide bombing last year at Jakarta's JW Marriott hotel in which 12 people died. South Jakarta district court official Yunda Hasbi said the trial was expected to begin in about two weeks. If found guilty Bashir could face the death penalty under Indonesia's tough anti-terrorism laws. Prosecutors are expected to focus on his alleged leadership of Jemaah Islamiyah, an Al-Qaeda-linked extremist group authorities say is behind the Marriott and other attacks, including the October 2002 Bali bombings.

The 65-page indictment accuses the white-bearded Bashir, 66, of planning or inciting others to terrorism or helping them carry out an "explosion which endangered or cost the lives of others." Prosecutors have compiled a 50-centimetre (20-inch) case file containing testimony from 74 witnesses, accusing him of providing assistance to terrorists and withholding information about terrorist acts. Mr Hasbi said Bashir was "implicated in the Marriott bombing" and other strikes, but not the Bali attacks in which 202 people died. The August 2003 suicide car bombing at the US-franchised Marriott hotel in Jakarta killed 11 Indonesians and a Dutch banker.
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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:45:12 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  'bout friggin time. Guess he'll suddenly have a "condition" that requires another extended hospital stay?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||


Bashir charged over Marriott
Our Indonesia correspondent, Tim Palmer, says prosecutors lodging the indictment have confirmed that Bashir will face charges relating to the bombing of Jakarta's Marriott Hotel last year. Prosecutor, Andi Herman, says the indictment lodged with South Jakarta District Court contains allegations that Bashir ordered or motivated other people to take part in a terrorist attack on the Marriott Hotel, which killed 12 people.

Bashir's defence team has consistently ridiculed suggestions that the cleric was behind that attack, as he had been in custody for nine months leading up to the bombing. The trial is expected to focus on Bashir's alleged leadership of Jemaah Islamiyah, an extremist group authorities say has ties to al Qaeda.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/15/2004 10:42:48 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
German job goes to lowest bidder
Germany's JobBerlin.com job auction site is unlike other Online auctions where the highest bidder wins. Here the person asking for the lowest salary gets the job. The jobs on offer range from porn star to mason, removal helper to topless waitress and erotic cameraman to telephone assistant. Porn producers have shown a particular interest in the site, considering it an ideal way to find new - and especially cheap - talent. The makers of the website plan to expand their services to Munich, Hamburg and Cologne.
Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:42:06 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is so rong! LOL!
Americka comes to Germany. This has the beginings of a perfect market.

I want Amazon to take the same steps.... I'll give ya 11 centavos for It Takes A Village, if you pay postage.

Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Jundallah member jugged
Pakistani police said Friday they have arrested an Al Qaeda linked local militant suspected of involvement in an attack on a top army general and a foiled attempt to blow up the United States consulate here. Police identified the suspect as Syed Adnan Shah, 26, a member of the Jund Allah or Army of God militant group, whose members had been trained by Al Qaeda in camps near the Afghan border. Shah was arrested from a house in Karachi's Nazimabad neighbourhood late Thursday, senior police official Manzoor Mughal told AFP.

"Adnan was the one who opened fire on (army) commander Ahsan Saleem Hayat and was also wanted in connection with an attempt to blow-up an explosive-laden car outside the US consulate," he said. Lieutenant General Hayat, former military commander of southern Sindh province, narrowly escaped the attack on his convoy on June 10. Seven soldiers, three policemen and a passerby were killed in the attack. Mughal said Shah was also involved in an attempt to blow-up a car laden with 650 litres of chemical explosives outside the US consulate in Karachi in March. He described the Jund Allah group as dangerous and said police were looking for other members who may be hiding in the city.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/15/2004 10:39:30 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Poland Re-Ups for Bush
Polish Premier Wins Vote of Confidence
Australia re-ups by re-electing Howard. Now its Poland's turn. If Kerry does win, he will not find many friends out there.
Polish Prime Minister Marek Belka won a parliamentary vote of confidence Friday, heading off the prospect of renewed political turmoil in a country that is a key U.S. ally in Iraq and the European Union's largest new member. The lower house of parliament voted 234-218, with no abstentions, to back Belka's five-month-old minority government. Belka pointed to economic growth and a health care reform under his brief tenure, saying that it had been "time used well" as he urged lawmakers to support him ahead of the vote.

His government has struggled with high unemployment and popular opposition to keeping Polish troops in Iraq — a deployment that nonetheless has support from the leadership of the mainstream political parties. Belka took over in May after his predecessor Leszek Miller quit, worn down by Poles' anger over cuts in social programs and corruption scandals in the governing Democratic Left Alliance. At the time, Belka agreed to call a confidence vote in the fall to secure crucial support from a group of legislators who split from his Democratic Left Alliance. The new party, Social Democracy of Poland, said the aim was to keep up pressure for economic reforms and clean government.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/15/2004 1:03:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Africa: North
Sex, Politics, Religion, and Egypt
Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Russia, Iran finish up nuclear plant
Russia and Iran said yesterday they had finished construction of a nuclear-power plant in Iran — a project the United States fears Iran could use to make nuclear arms. Diplomats in Moscow said the announcement, made after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov visited Iran, reflected Russia's readiness to press ahead with the project in return for Iran's increased cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog. "All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending spent fuel back to Russia," said a spokesman for Russia's Atomic Energy Agency (RosAtom).
Learning this, knowing our shipment of bunker busters to Israel is complete and Sharon's abrupt pull out of the IDF in the northern Gaza Strip leaves me wondering if/WHEN something is going to happen. They did say they would not let Iran become a nuke power. I predict something happening before our election.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 10/15/2004 10:29:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
VDH: The Therapeutic Choice
Americans are presented with a choice in this election rare in our history. This is not 1952, when Democrats and Republicans did not differ too much on the need to stay in Korea, or even 1968 when Humphrey and Nixon alike did not wish to withdraw unilaterally from Vietnam. It is more like 1972 or 1980, when a naïve McGovern/Dukakis worldview was sharply at odds with the Nixon/Reagan tragic acknowledgement of the need to confront Soviet-inspired Communism. Is it to be more aid, talk, indictments, and summits — or a tough war to kill the terrorists and change the conditions that created them?

Mr. Kerry believes that we must return to the pre-9/11 days when terrorism was but a "nuisance." In his mind, that was a nostalgic sort of time when the terrorist mosquito lazily buzzed about a snoring America. And we in somnolent response merely swatted it away with a cruise missile or a few GPS bombs when embassies and barracks were blown up. Keep the tribute of dead Americans low, and the chronic problem was properly analogous to law-enforcement's perpetual policing of gambling and prostitution. Many of us had previously written off just such naïveté, but we never dreamed that our suspicions would be confirmed so explicitly by Kerry himself.
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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:27:25 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kerry Delenda Est!
Posted by: borgboy || 10/15/2004 14:23 Comments || Top||

#2  VDH is one of the smartest guy's I've read. If he believes that Kerry's a loser that gives me more hope.
Posted by: Jarhead || 10/15/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Delenda Est!:translate please
Posted by: Raptor || 10/15/2004 19:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Raptor, google.
Posted by: Memesis || 10/15/2004 19:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Best essay I have read in a long time. Straightforward, cut through the BS, explanation of why attempted roadblocks, distractions, and sleight-of-hand won't be able to stop us.
Posted by: ed || 10/15/2004 19:45 Comments || Top||

#6  The phrase, for the wordy types and pedants (such as myself), actually was:
"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"

which means:
"And therefore, I conclude that Carthage must be destroyed"
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 20:09 Comments || Top||


Europe
Another American Ally Survives LLL Attack
Polish Prime Minister Marek Belka won a parliamentary vote of confidence Friday, heading off the prospect of renewed political turmoil in a country that is a key U.S. ally in Iraq and the European Union's largest new member. The lower house of parliament voted 234-218, with no abstentions, to back Belka's five-month-old minority government.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 1:02:54 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Would-be Iranian organ donor goes to hospital to commit suicide
An Iranian man has attempted to commit suicide at a hospital in the southern city of Shiraz in a bid to give up his organs to needy patients, a hospital official said Thursday. Abdolreza B., 30, turned up at the hospital and then "shot himself with a Kalashnikov outside the operating theatre," said the official. "He is still alive. Two bullets went through his throat and exited at the back of his head. His brain was not badly damaged, but he's not in a good state," said the hospital official, who asked not to be named. When police were called, they found an organ donor card together with a letter asking doctors to give his body parts "to sick people who need them".
Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:25:09 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dammit! I told you not to do that! It's in one of the commandments. Ummmm.... it right here... yep It's the 18th Commandment, Thought Shall Not Kick Thy Own Bucket.

Now! Pay Attention! Who's still drawing to an inside strait?
Posted by: The Lord God || 10/15/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||


Iran's 'vampire of the desert' faces death penalty after murdering 17 children in brickwork slum
An Iranian man known as the "vampire of the desert" was facing the death sentence yesterday following the gruesome murders of 17 children and three adults in the slums of Pakdasht, near the capital, Tehran. Relatives of the victims greeted the verdict by throwing chairs at the defendants as the court heard that Mohammed Bijeh, 30, raped many of the children before strangling or bludgeoning them to death.

The accused was handed 16 life sentences and his accomplice, Ali Baghi, a 24-year-old heroin addict, was sentenced to 15 years in prison.
In a separate incident, a 16 year old girl was beaten and hung for refusing the advances of a lecherous iman.

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Posted by: tipper || 10/15/2004 10:22:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Scratch Japan from "Foreign Leaders for Kerry" list
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 09:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  HT to Captain's Quarters
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:33 Comments || Top||

#2  So he lost Japan and Italy today, Poland last week. Who's he got, besides Jack and the french poodles?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I think there would be trouble if it's not President Bush - Tsutomu Takebe, LDP Chairman
{THWACK} - Sound of a boxing match; uppercut hits glass jaw.

Mrs. D. - You forgot "Gerhard the Magnificent"
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#4  List :

Govts for Bush
Japan
Italy
UK
Australia
Iraq
Afghanistan
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungary
Israel
Bulgaria
S Korea
Pakistan
Ukraine
more...


Govts Kerry
France
Germany
France
Belgium
France
Spain
France
N Korea
France
Canada
France
Cuba
France
Sweden
France
Iran
France
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 11:48 Comments || Top||

#5  BigEd you forgot mighty Luxemburg -- and surely the following would prefer Kerry too:

China, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Syria, North Korea, Egypt, Venezuela, Sudan, Cambodia (finally, he'd get to visit...)
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/15/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#6  LUXEMBOURG; Thanx Kallie, I forget the LITTLE THINGS, but I did have N Korea...
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Putin's agin im, too. Kerry's starting to look almost unilateral. Or maybe just bilateral.
Posted by: lex || 10/15/2004 15:06 Comments || Top||

#8  lex, I understand that too, even though he is on the opposite side of a lot of issues, Putin seems to question if Kerry is, as they say, playing with 52 cards...

His attitude seems to be, "W and I disagree on so much, but at least he doesn't carry around a magic hat...."
Posted by: BigEd || 10/15/2004 16:18 Comments || Top||

#9  "W and I disagree on so much,..."

Hell, I disagree with W & Co on a whole lot of things, but he does seem to understand the WoT and that's rather high on my list at the moment.

Besides, the phrase 'plan to win the peace' is starting to drive me into a blind, murderous rage every time I hear it.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/15/2004 17:18 Comments || Top||


Protesters Form Pyramid, Children Scream In Terror
Posted by: Charles || 10/15/2004 08:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like these guys will find out that the community standards are a bit different in Intercourse than the City of Brotherly Love. Glad I live in Blue Ball.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 8:58 Comments || Top||

#2  ROFL!!! More cognitive dissonance / dissidence / dissidense / whatever, lol!
Posted by: .com || 10/15/2004 9:01 Comments || Top||

#3  I get the feeling these are the type of men who, um, like to form a human pyramid in thongs with other men. Which is likely to diminish the power of their demonstration that Abu Ghraib was a terrible, terrible thing.
Posted by: BH || 10/15/2004 9:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Thong tip!
always remember: the sock stuffing goes in the front!

such mistakes can frighten children....
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 9:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Is that on the road to Paradise Mrs. D.?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 10:03 Comments || Top||

#6  They expected to be taken seriously without having a Big, Giant Puppet on hand? I don't think so...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/15/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Howz the Monty Python sketch go? "...pool sides filled with fat German businessmen forming vast human pyramids and frightening the children...."
Posted by: Craig || 10/15/2004 10:44 Comments || Top||

#8  Did they start singing "YMCA" afterwards?
Posted by: mojo || 10/15/2004 11:13 Comments || Top||

#9  Don't know about you, Shipman, but Blue Ball is not my idea of Paradise. Now, Bird-in-Hand...
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/15/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#10  Mrs. D! You little minx!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/15/2004 11:25 Comments || Top||

#11  Were they protesting or DEMONSTRATING? This was in Philly you know. If there were kids there they were WAY out of line, but thats been the tone of the Democrats this election.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/15/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#12  if they did this in front of children couldn't they be charged with more than just dis orderly conduct?
Posted by: smokeysinse || 10/15/2004 16:36 Comments || Top||

#13  Some of the largest people I've ever seen were in a Quarryville diner, I figured they lived in Blue Ball.

Yes, I do love the PA State Railroad Museum.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/15/2004 16:41 Comments || Top||


Kerry's Iran scandal
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/15/2004 02:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kerry is just soo bad, that events like these hardly register anymore. Sigh. I'm sure I'll be hearing about this on CNN all day (not).
Posted by: 2b || 10/15/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||



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