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2005-02-04 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by tipper 2005-02-04 11:11|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is this not the article that was posted a ... day ago?

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:09:27 PM|| 2005-02-04 1:09:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 yes same as yesterday

Posted by mhw 2005-02-04 1:44:56 PM|| 2005-02-04 1:44:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Asedwich (sorry if the sp wrong)

To continue from yesterday just a bit. You said that LH never used the word "accident". I think I was pretty clear that I was paraphrasing him.

What I pointed to the positive situation for Jews in the west and I said that Christianity had a positive role to play in that after years of terrible relations with the Jews. I said that this was the result of Christians returning to our example and ideal in Jesus. I also am on record saying that this example of Jesus is our saving grace and when we go back to the source, we are brought back to our senses. I also believe that who your ideal is is important to whether this turnaround and repentance takes place or not.

LH replied that things are better for Jews in the West because of historical circumstances urrelated to any change of heart by the Church and any improvement in the situation was due to outside pressures. Again I am not quoting him directly but i think this is closer to his actual usage.

This impied to me that he believes that Christianity does not and never has had any internal resources for treating Jews well. He seems to think that if left to its own devices, Christianity is naturally anti-semitic and can't help but be anti-semitic unless it is forced by outside ie historical pressures (as if history and Christianity were somehow two separate and opposing forces).

If that isn't saying that the Jewish situation in the west is an accident of history in which Christian idealism had no part to play, then I don't know how better to put it. LH consistently denies that Christianity has any part to play for the climate of the West today. By his lights, though he has used Lewis to back him up this time, some minority force mysteriously emerging out of Christianless vacuum is responsible for the triumph of all that we hold dear today over the criminal dictatorial anti-intellectual church. This is a myth that too many buy into I'm afraid. Too many people forget to take into account that you wont get much from a live strong man that he doesn't want you to have. He can be persuaded to give only if his conscience can be moved. For his conscience to be moved, he must have a one to begin with whatever his failings no matter what resistance he might put up. That conscience makes a difference in the end. That conscience for Christianity is our ideal in Jesus and its a fine conscience resorted to often in our history by opposition groups within Christianity and has benefitted the west. The heart of our faith is good and can and had been successfully appealed to to arrive at out current situation. We were not tied up and locked away to acheive it.

Posted by peggy 2005-02-04 6:08:13 PM|| 2005-02-04 6:08:13 PM|| Front Page Top

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