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Anti-war generation watches its children go to war

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Posted by SC88 2005-02-13 12:18:01 PM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 He's 47 and part of the "anti-war generation"? Jeebus, MSM, do the farging math. I'm 47, and Saigon fell my senior year in I was in high school. The draft had ended. Virtually all our troops had been pulled. What war was I anti?

Posted by Dr August Balls of Nice 2005-02-13 6:50:58 PM|| 2005-02-13 6:50:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 He's 47 and part of the "anti-war generation"?

Maybe the anti-war generation followed the AARP's example, and lowered the qualifying age?

Posted by Pappy 2005-02-13 7:20:04 PM|| 2005-02-13 7:20:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I saw your Head Comix cover pic, Fred, with Mr. Natural. Sheeh! Brought me back to my Berkeley daze in the sixties that I would rather forget, heh heh. Flakey Foont, the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers with Fat Freddie's cat sh*tting in his headphones, the Checkered Demon, Captain Pissgums, Ruby the Dyke (twist them grips, goils!). I found a couple of Zap comics in my old papers a few months ago. Originally thought they were funny. Well, they were, but they were gross. Threw em away.... And Paul Krassner was one twisted and perverted writer (the Realist, IIRC). No wonder the LLL is so loonie. They cut their teeth on that twisted sh*t. I got out with me life....

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-02-13 8:01:11 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:01:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Threw em away....
Nooooooooooooooooo!

Posted by Roman Haruska 2005-02-13 8:06:11 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:06:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I thought that they would probably we worth money now, but, sigh, they were SEARED, I say, SEARED onto my mind. I needed to get away to a quiet place.....

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-02-13 8:08:28 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:08:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 The left glomms together everyon born between 1945 and 1964 as "Baby Boomers". Ans automatically associates them with the hippes and vietnam as the "main events" in their lives.

Problem with that is basically anyone born from 56 onward know little if anything about the vietnam war becuase it as practiucally over before they came of age (1974).

So its much more realisitic to group the 1940-1955 into the "bommers", and the 56-76 into a differnt group.

Demographics show the "Pre-Gen-X" (The Gap as they are sometimes called) is not only a larger than the boomers, most know little of Hippies and less of Vietnam, considering it happened when they were small children up to teenagers. This grouping if FAR more cohesive interms of similar views and political positions than is the pre-1955 group is (their teen early 20's were in the middle of Vietnam and the hippie age, as opposed to the "gap" group who came after all that was done).

Demographics show that this generation of roughly 31 to 49 year olds is far larger, more influential economically, more conservative, more religious and patriotic than the boomers. Perhaps that is why the liberal social science peopel and MSM want to split them in half and roll them half in to GenX and halfinto the Boomers - it hides a HUGE group ofg peopel that cannot be lumped with groups that are identified as "basically liberal".

After all THAT generation, the "Gap" generation, was the one the filled and staffed the Volunteer Military through winning the Cold War and provided the backbone of the miltiary (privates, lower NCOs and Captains) for the first Gulf War and "peackeeping" of the 1990's (and now staff the senior positions in the War On Terror military), and drove huge technical innovations (The PC, Etc) and economic growth in the 1980's and 1990's, and the resurgence of Conservatism, starting with Reagan (when most of them politically came of age) in their early adulthood.

Don't read the MSM labels - they are dead wrong - and mislead you because they deliberately ignore and distort the Gap generation's record.

The Boomers never did ANYTHING to merit all the attention they got - indeed they got us involved in Vietnam the wrong way, miscalcualted in the cold war, the "war" on poverty, etc, and voted in Nixon and Jimmy Carter and creeping socialism in the US. And they gave us the inflated late 1960's, and the recession bound 1970's thru the early 1980's. The Boomers (truly defined) should be a generation cursed by all others for thier selfishness, short-sightedness and deliberate idiocy.

The Greatest Generation and the Gap Generation are ones we owe for our position today, the Greatest winning WW2 and giving us the boom of the 50's and early 60's, the Gap winning WW3 without a shot and innovating our way into the booming from the mid 80's and 1990's.

Tomorrow we will owe those kids and young people who are now shaping the world post 9/11, the children of the Gap Generation - I call them the "Bravest Generation" - because the ones that are out there astound me with their guts on a day to day basis, be they in military, or in the business world.

(This of course discounts the professional malcontents in places like Berkely and the Ivy League who have not yet seen through their distorting and lying Boomer prof's like Churchill in Colorado).

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-13 8:39:25 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:39:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 true OS - was '59 - too late for the draft and too early for registration

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-13 8:41:55 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:41:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Problem with that is basically anyone born from 56 onward know little if anything about the vietnam war becuase it as practiucally over before they came of age (1974).

The nightly recitations on the evening news of the numbers of dead and wounded for both sides always stood out. I was just a kid when I heard the names "DMZ", Hanoi, Saigon, Cambodia, Pathet Lao, and the Ho Chi Minh Trail. And I was a teenager when Saigon finally fell. I wouldn't know all the details until much later, but I never forgot what I saw or heard on the news.

My birth year? 1959.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-13 10:05:37 PM|| 2005-02-13 10:05:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 OS, Every President you mentioned was from the "Greatest" Generation. In none of the dates you mention were the boomers in control of anything, including their libidos. Blame the boomers for Clinton and the '90s, but the "Greatest" Generation was in charge of Viet Nam and Watergate and Carter, not the boomers.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-13 10:16:13 PM|| 2005-02-13 10:16:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I was born the day Marilyn Monroe died. I agree with OS that I have nothing to do with those born 1946-58. (I say '58 because they would remember Kennedy being shot. Arbitrary point.)

Although I don't think you can blame the Great Society on them, since it was laid down in 65-66. Or, for that matter, most of the idiocy of the 70s. Sure, they voted for those the people who did that damage, but they were not boomers themselves, but were mostly members of the "greatest generation." (Obviously, some of them weren't so great.)

Posted by jackal 2005-02-13 10:21:05 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-02-13 10:21:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Generations:The History of America's Future, a book I've recommended before, dates the boomers from 1943 to 1960.

The Generation that is most interesting is the one from 1924-1943, the Silent. This was the first generation in the nation's history to have no one be elected President of the United States. They were empty suits who failed to pick up the ball when the exhausted "Greatest" Generation started dropping it in the '60s. Had Reagan not been elected President, Every GG president would have been a loser, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush I. Not a stellar cast.

As for the GG winning WWII, The FDR generation and the Eisenhower generation may have had something to do with that too. No doubt most of the people shooting, getting shot at and dying were from that generation, no doubt. But they didn't win the war alone.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-13 10:33:36 PM|| 2005-02-13 10:33:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I grew up on Long Island, NY. I joined the Navy just after HS graduation in 1974. What I do remember was that I was only one of a handful to enlist. I remember my guidance counselor telling me that I was "ruining my life". Military haircuts were rare for men. I was stationed in Norfolk, VA. It was the Carter-era military. College co-eds would have nothing to do with you. Many junior enlisted sailors were on food stamps. Reagan did amazing things in revitalizing the respect, professionalism, and stature of the military.

Posted by markb 2005-02-13 10:33:55 PM|| 2005-02-13 10:33:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Mrs Davis - who were the ones that protested the war and provided the "Useful Idiots" for Lenin's spawn? They may not have set the policy, but they certainly damanged the US in terms of their actions.

And BAR, you are unusual - I know people of your age, and in 1969, they were all about the moon walk and the space program, not about the casualty lists on the evening news.

Its not about what happened, but what were the pivotal events of thier early lives that defines the generations - the Greatest won WW2 - they came of age and fought and won. The rank-and-file, they came home, went to school, rolled up their slevves and worked, buidling the interstates, the booming housing markets, and the initial parts of the Computer Age. Eisenhower and conservatism are enigmatic of the payoff of the Greatest Generation. Their payoff phrase: New Fontier.

The Boomers came of age wiht the War and Hippies being the big influences. They protested and spit on soldiers, hated thier own government, and got politicians like Jimmy Carter held up as heroes. The rank and file wanted wage and price controls (from Nixon), and the "war" on poverty that fueled inflation. They innovated little other than to react weakly - Carter's sweater is more a symbol of their political acts, and the failure in Iran (Hostages and failed rescue) and Afghanistan (Soviet invasion) are the culmination of thier loud demanding liberal political stance. Their payoff word? Malaise.

The Gap Generation: Ronald Reagan, the wall coming down and the first Gulf War (and the rehabilitation of the military in the eyes of the public) are the big events in this genrations growing up. The innovations of the PC, and the widespread acceleration of communications and computing are the hallmarks of this generation - they laid down the internet, won the cold war, and even their worst blunder was a comparatively lesser (Clinton compared to Nixon/Carter). Their word: "Freedom"

I say this as a "Boomer". The Gap Generation is unheralded, but should be seperated from the Boomers: the formative events are far different, and the results speak for themselves.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-13 11:31:23 PM|| 2005-02-13 11:31:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 The left glomms together everyon born between 1945 and 1964 as "Baby Boomers". Ans automatically associates them with the hippes and vietnam as the "main events" in their lives.

Problem with that is basically anyone born from 56 onward know little if anything about the vietnam war becuase it as practiucally over before they came of age (1974).

So its much more realisitic to group the 1940-1955 into the "bommers", and the 56-76 into a differnt group.

Demographics show the "Pre-Gen-X" (The Gap as they are sometimes called) is not only a larger than the boomers, most know little of Hippies and less of Vietnam, considering it happened when they were small children up to teenagers. This grouping if FAR more cohesive interms of similar views and political positions than is the pre-1955 group is (their teen early 20's were in the middle of Vietnam and the hippie age, as opposed to the "gap" group who came after all that was done).

Demographics show that this generation of roughly 31 to 49 year olds is far larger, more influential economically, more conservative, more religious and patriotic than the boomers. Perhaps that is why the liberal social science peopel and MSM want to split them in half and roll them half in to GenX and halfinto the Boomers - it hides a HUGE group ofg peopel that cannot be lumped with groups that are identified as "basically liberal".

After all THAT generation, the "Gap" generation, was the one the filled and staffed the Volunteer Military through winning the Cold War and provided the backbone of the miltiary (privates, lower NCOs and Captains) for the first Gulf War and "peackeeping" of the 1990's (and now staff the senior positions in the War On Terror military), and drove huge technical innovations (The PC, Etc) and economic growth in the 1980's and 1990's, and the resurgence of Conservatism, starting with Reagan (when most of them politically came of age) in their early adulthood.

Don't read the MSM labels - they are dead wrong - and mislead you because they deliberately ignore and distort the Gap generation's record.

The Boomers never did ANYTHING to merit all the attention they got - indeed they got us involved in Vietnam the wrong way, miscalcualted in the cold war, the "war" on poverty, etc, and voted in Nixon and Jimmy Carter and creeping socialism in the US. And they gave us the inflated late 1960's, and the recession bound 1970's thru the early 1980's. The Boomers (truly defined) should be a generation cursed by all others for thier selfishness, short-sightedness and deliberate idiocy.

The Greatest Generation and the Gap Generation are ones we owe for our position today, the Greatest winning WW2 and giving us the boom of the 50's and early 60's, the Gap winning WW3 without a shot and innovating our way into the booming from the mid 80's and 1990's.

Tomorrow we will owe those kids and young people who are now shaping the world post 9/11, the children of the Gap Generation - I call them the "Bravest Generation" - because the ones that are out there astound me with their guts on a day to day basis, be they in military, or in the business world.

(This of course discounts the professional malcontents in places like Berkely and the Ivy League who have not yet seen through their distorting and lying Boomer prof's like Churchill in Colorado).

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-13 8:39:25 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:39:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Mrs Davis - who were the ones that protested the war and provided the "Useful Idiots" for Lenin's spawn? They may not have set the policy, but they certainly damanged the US in terms of their actions.

And BAR, you are unusual - I know people of your age, and in 1969, they were all about the moon walk and the space program, not about the casualty lists on the evening news.

Its not about what happened, but what were the pivotal events of thier early lives that defines the generations - the Greatest won WW2 - they came of age and fought and won. The rank-and-file, they came home, went to school, rolled up their slevves and worked, buidling the interstates, the booming housing markets, and the initial parts of the Computer Age. Eisenhower and conservatism are enigmatic of the payoff of the Greatest Generation. Their payoff phrase: New Fontier.

The Boomers came of age wiht the War and Hippies being the big influences. They protested and spit on soldiers, hated thier own government, and got politicians like Jimmy Carter held up as heroes. The rank and file wanted wage and price controls (from Nixon), and the "war" on poverty that fueled inflation. They innovated little other than to react weakly - Carter's sweater is more a symbol of their political acts, and the failure in Iran (Hostages and failed rescue) and Afghanistan (Soviet invasion) are the culmination of thier loud demanding liberal political stance. Their payoff word? Malaise.

The Gap Generation: Ronald Reagan, the wall coming down and the first Gulf War (and the rehabilitation of the military in the eyes of the public) are the big events in this genrations growing up. The innovations of the PC, and the widespread acceleration of communications and computing are the hallmarks of this generation - they laid down the internet, won the cold war, and even their worst blunder was a comparatively lesser (Clinton compared to Nixon/Carter). Their word: "Freedom"

I say this as a "Boomer". The Gap Generation is unheralded, but should be seperated from the Boomers: the formative events are far different, and the results speak for themselves.

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