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#1 I take it 'meaningful action' does not include getting rid of the gun-free free-fire zones.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-12-15 09:10||
#2 The comments are tired.
What they are not discussing is that a gun ban would, in effect, attempt to do what that school already was - gun free, intimate positive social network.
Say guns were illegal for the ordinary citizen, and one of our neighboring countries, one who we think of as mostly friendly, suddenly decides to arm a brigade's worth of violent criminals. No not the USA in the near future minus the 2nd ammendment, Mexico and Fast/Furious, right President Barry?
Nobody with a good arguement would use arming the kids, that is silly. Even if a person wanted to it is impractical.
Second, nobody is talking about arming everybody. Obviously, some people do not have the capacity or respect necessary for safe firearm handling. This cornhole decided he had no respect for life or law, and at that point people were going to die whether he killed his mom and stole her rifle, or got into a car and started running over people.
Then there are the people out there who think firearms are possessed by djinns who turn clark kent into evil-superman-who-cannot-control-his-power! , the AK-47 of Sauron or some crap. I don't think those people should have firearms either, at least not until extensive technical and cultural training. People who think ghosts haunt machine rifles can have no rational or positive role in this discussion. People choose not to have firearms, happens all the time, I respect that. Y'all think that because somebody killed his own mother forcrissakes stole her rifle and ambushed children at a school that I can or cannot make that decision because I may pick up a firearm and have robin williams materialize from the barrel and grant me three wishes to kill kill and kill more.
Don't know CT laws, but in KS a person cannot take a conceal carry or any firearm onto school grounds.
From what I understand the bad guy went into a room, shot the teacher, presumably blocked the door and shot the kids..but at that point five (?) more adults are killed but no more children. I would think that if the adults were killed escorting children then there would be more children killed after the initial scene. Were the adults attempting a counter-attack on the bad guy, taking pens to a gun fight?
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-12-15 10:12||
#3 I don't seem to find commenters tying recent massacres to the culture's climate in which it was okay to express hatred towards a sitting president (GWB) and to wish for his death. Or in which thugs spew anti-White venom without repercussions. But sow the wind and the country will reap the crop.
Posted by lotp 2012-12-15 10:46||
#4 In addition to being very screwed up, the shooter was a coward. He like many others who do this, go where they know people are unarmed and/or defenceless. This is very sad. The parents of these little children must be going through all kinds of suffering and grief.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-15 10:57||
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-15 11:36||
#6 This has probably been said better elsewhere but isn't the pyschotic shooter at fault here and not guns, video games or conservatives?
If school districts want to "take meaningful action" I suggest following the protocols adopted by several Texas school districts without the means to hire security staff: Encourage several administrators or other school personnel to train and obtain concealed weapons licenses at each campus, and keep the names of the licensees secret.
#7 I just get tired of these. They ALWAYS happen in gun free zones, where they know there will be no one to stop them. I refuse to lose my freedoms and rights just because someone else is flaming evil.
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-12-15 12:07||
#8 The press is calling it a "tragedy", but in Chicago, they call 18 dead kids "Saturday night".
#9 I saw CNN's coverage of the event. The anchor was interviewing a reporter at the scene. As soon as the reporter said there was a Bushmaster in the car's trunk, the anchor went ballistic. The reporter tried to remind her the rifle was in the trunk, but she wouldn't listen. She was off on a diatribe on how assault rifles are the cause and how they have to be taken off the streets RIGHT NOW.
I haven't seen such biased reporting since the election.
I predict the investigation will find:
1) Adam Lanza was mentally unstable.
2) He had trouble controling his anger / inappropriate behavior.
3) His family had been trying to commit him for years.
4) The state wouldn't do it because it might infringe on his "civil rights."
Instead of infringing on one lunatic's civil rights, it infringed on 26 families' right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness. This seems to be the normal ratio for "do good" liberals.
Posted by Frozen Al 2012-12-15 12:33||
#10 Several thoughts:
An Israeli-American of my acquaintance pointed out in response to this story that in Israel every school has a guard -- usually a volunteer parent, and often carrying a gun. He wondered why we don't do this in America.
The killer's brother said he is autistic and has a personality disorder, whatever that means. He former classmates remember him as never interacting with people. His parents are divorced.
On the same day that this man killed school children were killed using guns, a man in China attacked 22 school children with a knife. Drudge linked to the story. Thus it is demonstrated that guns don't kill people, people determined to kill find any sort of weapon with which to kill people.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-15 12:52||
Posted by Frozen Al 2012-12-15 12:58||
#12 School shootings are a very rare thing indeed in the UK / One wonders why
Posted by Albert 1916 or 06 2012-12-15 13:02||
#13 Cause they get shot on the streets and their dorms instead. My sister had two people killed outside her dorm in London England for their cell phones.
How's that gun ban working for ya?
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-12-15 13:10||
#14 London is no longer English, the census proves that. Don't assume London scum is pat of the UK.
Posted by Albert 1916 or 06 2012-12-15 13:23||
#15 O r O r O r I'm a cider drinker. But not a gun totting nutter.
Posted by Albert 1916 or 06 2012-12-15 13:27||
#16 Remember in the old Soviet Union dissidents who didn't tow the dialectic of the party were considered 'mentally ill' and sent off to institutions. Watch that the loophole to first classify those who don't agree with the Left (ie Tea Party) as mentally ill, then confiscate their guns. We've already chronicled the former in Leftest circles.
Posted by P2Kontheroad 2012-12-15 13:37||
#17 London is no longer English, the census proves that. Don't assume London scum is pat of the UK.
If we're not going to be politically correct, you can look at the stats for gun violence by race and you could make similar statement that such destructive behavior is grossly disproportionate among certain groups.
Posted by P2Kontheroad 2012-12-15 13:47||
Gun control freaks should take the rap for the murder of these little, innocent children. This could have been prevented at the start if the staff had concealed permits.
Posted by Dino Shomomp7692 2012-12-15 13:59||
#20 Proves conclusively that time travel does NOT exist, he's one i'd consider for "Retroactive Birth Control", along with the 9-11 Plane bombers, But it's NOT a sane world, (Why I carry).
Posted by Redneck Jim 2012-12-15 15:16||
#21 In Germany, it's almost impossible to legally own a gun as a private citizen if you are not a hunter or member of a Schützenverein. And yet we did have mass shooting events in schools (e.g. Winnenden).
Private households usually won't "need" a gun for protection because trespassers are very unlikely to be armed.
In America, gun control would only work if you could effectively stop unlawful possession of guns. That would be quite impossible (remember the Prohibition?).
So tougher gun control would simply affect law abiding citizens who are simply exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and want to own a gun to protect themselves.
In Germany nobody has automatic guns so the question, whether automatic guns belong in the hands of ordinary people, is irrelevant.
In the U.S., the answer is: As long as felons have them, law abiding citizens should not be barred from having them.
Posted by European Conservative 2012-12-15 16:06||
#22 This is a horrible situation, and I pray to God for some solace for the injured.
Posted by Shipman 2012-12-15 16:10||
#23 Schützenverein....? If I can't sing and drink in a large tent, I won't join!
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-15 16:15||
#24 The latter is done without guns though
Posted by European Conservative 2012-12-15 16:31||
#25 Albert 1916 or 06 dear, your very own Daily Mail claims that Britain is not only the most violent country in Europe, but considerably more violent than America.
Separately, some years ago when English friends came to visit from Surrey they observed in shock the mail boxes we Americans have at the ends of our driveways in the suburbs, and attached to the house near the front door in the city, and that we even leave bills visible in the boxes for the postman to take away. "We would never dare do that back home," said she. "All our letters would be stolen, and the checks cashed."
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-15 17:43||