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#1 And she still probably hasn't even received the report of the type of gun, the caliber, the speed of the pull that this killer had. (Lots of reports, the "long gun" wasn't even used.)
Opps.... forget the details, the facts.... but, Ms. Feinstein lets us know, "These are my facts and I'm holding them close."
Posted by Sherry 2012-12-17 00:59||
#2 not a surprise. it's not clear this legislation will pass Congress - probably the list of banned weapons will be pared down. it's far from clear that gun owners will comply with the new legislation. the most likely consequence is that the current price of guns on "the list" will soar.
Posted by Raider 2012-12-17 01:04||
#3 We have a culture of guns desensitized by a constant brain wahing from guess who?
As a example here is a bodycount from just five movies:
Rambo (2008) (director): 247, as Rambo-87
Rambo III (1988): 127, as Rambo-72
Rambo: First Blood Part II (1985): 67, as Rambo-51
Total Body Count 441
Once Upon A Time In Mexico (2003) : 99, as El Mariachi-39
Desperado (1995): 80, as El Mariachi-53
Total Body Count 179
For just five movies that averages out to more than 62 kills an hour.
Now add graphic video games with people blasting away hour after hour. It's no wonder some people on the edge move to the Dark Side.
And who's behind all the scenes of killing for thrills, the anti-gun usual suspects in Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry.
I'm sorry, they don't influence society they just reflect it. sarc off
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2012-12-17 01:05||
#4 Following the meaningless, multi-cultural faith feel good memorial, I could not bring myself to watch the Champ. I listened to him from the study and agree with Charles Krauthammer. Champ's comments were decidedly political and he will most certainly attempt some form of unilateral action against firearms very soon.
I look for him to throw something into the "Fiscal Cliff" fray, exploiting and linking the tragic slaying of children (less those aborted) as leverage against the pubs and their effort to achieve smaller gov't. I doubt we have long to wait to learn of his plan.
As we all know, this fellow never wastes a crisis.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-17 01:49||
#5 Saturday morning I was reading the NY Times (he it was handy and I like the Arts and Book Sections) and perdictably they had an editorial on gun control. Yet when I looked in the Arts Section the first three movie adds I see have weapons (handguns and shotguns) being bradished.
Posted by Cheaderhead 2012-12-17 05:57||
#6 There may be a "don't feed the bears" component to this one. If, I say again if we discover the deceased mother took her troubled young son and her arsenal to the firing range as an attempt at mental health home therapy or bonding.... well, enough said.
Among other causes, mental illness may have a genetic or biological component. Firearms familiarization is an acquired or learned skill however. I suspect much more will be learned in the weeks ahead.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-17 07:18||
#7 I'm sure that in supporting gun control and keeping the things out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, Congress and the Administration will gladly support any extradition request from the Mexican AGs office for those who played 'Fast and Furious'. /sarc off
Posted by P2kontheroad 2012-12-17 08:44||
#8 Gun control freaks.
Before the shooting, Dumb.
After the shooting, Dumber.
Posted by Dino Shomomp7692 2012-12-17 08:46||
#9 Blog Daddy asks some important questions, here is one: SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A Â"NATIONAL CONVERSATION ON GUNS,Â" HERE ARE SOME OPENERS:
If you're a media member or politician, do you have armed security? Do you have a permit for a gun yourself? (I'm asking you Dianne Feinstein!) If so, what makes your life more valuable than other people's?
Posted by Lucienne 2012-12-17 08:56||
#10 Csll me paranoid, but I am beginning to detect a strange smell with regard to the repeated law enforcement emphasis on "weapons and ammunition origins" and the very 'close hold' release of specific information concerning the CT shootings. I believe I may be safe in assuming most women do not collect military style firearms or keep hundreds of rounds of ammo.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-17 09:43||
#11 Details? I'm still waiting on my Jevon Belcher toxicology report and interview with grandma concerning how many times a month she was watching the kid so the parents could go out and get smashed.
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-12-17 10:10||
#12 Assault weapons = any firearm according to gun grabbers. These self-serving politicians use these incidents to further their left-wing agenda of circumventing the Constitution. What about all the incidents where firearms have saved people's lives?
How about some transparency on Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and the routine gang-banger murders of people that occur in Chicago or any big city in the U.S. Doesn't seem to be much concern here. How about some honesty in government and the press?
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-17 10:16||
#13 Don't ban gun. Ban TV cameras.
Posted by Iblis 2012-12-17 10:25||
#14 I reload ammo, so what.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2012-12-17 10:59||
#15 The 20 year old shooter could not legally buy handguns such as the 9mm (226 Sig) or 10mm Glock) he had with him. He could buy long guns unless he had been adjudicated through the legal system as someone who could not purchase firearms. A few days before the shooting, he tried to purchase three long guns and had to fulfil a waiting period and did not purchase them. He shot and killed his mother with her guns and took her guns to the school. He shot all the children with the .223 Bushmaster and then committed suicide with the Glock. Why don't these miserable individuals just commit suicide and be done with it instead of creating so much grief and misery for others in this world?
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-17 11:05||
#16 Ban Xboxes and prescribed medical depressents and violent video games for kids.
Ever notice how children hardly ever play ouitside anymore..??
Posted by crazyhorse 2012-12-17 11:19||
#17 A 22 year old shooter allegedly did this in Kansas.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-17 11:27||
#18 He is dead.
Posted by bman 2012-12-17 11:33||
#19 Calling for a ban on assault rifles is one stage in the greiving process. It passes.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-12-17 11:46||
#20 "Why don't these miserable individuals just commit suicide and be done with it instead of creating so much grief and misery for others in this world?"
They want the attention. Why go out a miserable, forgotten loser when you can be in the news for months?
Ergo, ban TV cameras. Deny the shooters any fame. That will rid us of most, but not all of them.
Posted by Iblis 2012-12-17 12:03||
#21 I'm getting some cold and creepy feelings that beffore long the real reason behind the need for the 2nd will become all too clear.
Posted by AlanC 2012-12-17 12:08||
#22 How about we also impeach politicians who try to make laws that violate the Constitution?
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-17 12:15||
#23 Guns banned in England and Australia (and everywhere else as a matter of fact) led to increases in violent crime. This should be repeated over and over and over and gun grabbers forced to explain why such action in the USA would be different when we have far more porous borders than most.
Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-12-17 12:46||
#24 Switzerland provides a solid example of the opposite effect (as I am sure a number of CCW states as well).
Make the liberals explain why we should consider going against known facts and why we should consider them anything other than tyrants and fools taking advantage of a tragedy?
Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-12-17 12:51||
#25 They should certainly ban any reporting about the shooter.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-12-17 13:10||
#26 The following was sent to me. IMO the numbers are low and most likely the list is too short.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are subjects.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-17 13:19||
#27 #26 John QC - with these clowns, that's not a bug, that's a feature. >:-(
Posted by Barbara 2012-12-17 14:14||
Ban Xboxes and prescribed medical depressents and violent video games for kids.
Why not ban a book that glorifies genocide, murder, and polygamy?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2012-12-17 15:18||
#29 Why not ban a book that glorifies genocide, murder, and polygamy?
Because that will piss off the Muzzies and the ACLU.
Posted by DarthVader 2012-12-17 15:40||
#30 If they start banning Xbox games I will laugh at all the Call of Duty playing clowns who suddenly find themselves unable to play.
That being said this will blow over as more important issues arise, just like what happened with the Dark Knight Rises shooting in Colorado. In a week they'll be something else to worry about, it's the way of things now. No time to ponder, gotta check with our Iphones then run on to appointments.
Posted by Charles 2012-12-17 16:40||
#31 I have to wonder.... was the sh*tstain registered as a Democrat or a Republican?
I am thinking the former and we are playing 'guess that party'...
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-12-17 16:50||
Posted by tipper 2012-12-17 18:20||
#33 Sunday's Seattle Times on line was covering the tragedy non-stop, like other media, but to me the scary part were the commnets from readers; about 30% were in favor of complete elimination of all guns and cancelling the Second Amendment. if that is a representative figure for other metropolitan areas, people we got problems.
Posted by USN,Ret. 2012-12-17 22:34||
#34 The left has been spoiling for a fight ever since Al Gore, the Gaia's Golden Girlfriend lost the 2000 election to Dubya.