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Police Probe Ricin in Senate Building
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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2004-02-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The powder was found in an envelope in Frist's office suite on the fourth floor of the Dirksen building,

All the proof you need the Democrats can'thandle the WoT. The Jihadi's don't even want to attack them.
Posted by Charles  2004-2-3 1:14:42 AM||   2004-2-3 1:14:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Follow-up on this ought to be very interesting...
Posted by .com 2004-2-3 3:37:09 AM||   2004-2-3 3:37:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Wow... Rove will do anything.
/DTs
Posted by Shipman 2004-2-3 7:24:36 AM||   2004-2-3 7:24:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Doesn't have to be a turban wearer to make ricin. The domestic terror groups are fond of it as well. For example from January:
The wife of a San Diego marine and her lover pleaded innocent in federal court Thursday to a charge of attempted murder for allegedly trying to kill the marine on at least five separate occasions. (snip) Next, the women tried making ricin, a toxin classified as a biological weapon. They allegedly got the recipe from a white supremacist Web site but were unsuccessful making the drug from castor beans.

Can't find the article, but another white supremactist was arrested a couple of years ago with a quanity of ricin. If you want to kill a lot of people, like our friends from sandy regions do, mailing it seems like a poor delivery system. Smells more like a domestic individual.
Posted by Steve  2004-2-3 8:18:11 AM||   2004-2-3 8:18:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Steve, that's what I thought, but then I remembered that they found ricin all over Europe last year, in the possession of al'Qaeda-linked jihadis. I seem to remember some in France and some in Britain -- perhaps the Finsbury mosque?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-3 8:27:46 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-2-3 8:27:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 From right here on Rantburg:

o Saddam was cooking ricin until the last moment

o Christian Science Monitor connects Zarqawi to ricin plots in Europe

o Ricin plot foiled in France

o What appears to be a second ricin plot in France

o Six Jihadis in London Found with Ricin
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-3 8:36:29 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-2-3 8:36:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Doesn't anybody remember the "Fallen Angel" letter from October when he threatened to use Ricin if the Trucking laws weren't changed? He's only a month late. The Feebs have been looking for him for a while now. But, if it is International, then it smells like Zarqawi to me.
Posted by floatinginspace 2004-2-3 8:54:09 AM||   2004-2-3 8:54:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Oh, sure, the jihadis have plenty of ricin, I'll give you that. It's the method of delivery that bothers me. It's the same as the anthrax, stick it in a envelope and mail it. If you want to kill a lot of people, you need a better delivery system and a lot of it. Ricin is good for assasination, but poor for mass killing. More likely someone is trying to scare us again, and that leads me back to the domestic angle.
Posted by Steve  2004-2-3 8:57:37 AM||   2004-2-3 8:57:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 CDC-Facts About Ricin
# Inhalation: Within a few hours of inhaling significant amounts of ricin, the likely symptoms would be respiratory distress (difficulty breathing), fever, cough, nausea, and tightness in the chest. Heavy sweating may follow as well as fluid building up in the lungs (pulmonary edema). This would make breathing even more difficult, and the skin might turn blue. Excess fluid in the lungs would be diagnosed by x-ray or by listening to the chest with a stethoscope. Finally, low blood pressure and respiratory failure may occur, leading to death. In cases of known exposure to ricin, people having respiratory symptoms that started within 12 hours of inhaling ricin should seek medical care.
# Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody. Severe dehydration may be the result, followed by low blood pressure. Other signs or symptoms may include hallucinations, seizures, and blood in the urine. Within several days, the person’s liver, spleen, and kidneys might stop working, and the person could die.
# Skin and eye exposure: Ricin in the powder or mist form can cause redness and pain of the skin and the eyes.
# Death from ricin poisoning could take place within 36 to 72 hours of exposure, depending on the route of exposure (inhalation, ingestion, or injection) and the dose received. If death has not occurred in 3 to 5 days, the victim usually recovers.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2004-2-3 9:09:48 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2004-2-3 9:09:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Update: HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A postal worker found an unidentified powder in an envelope addressed to the Republican National Committee, and inspectors were investigating, officials said Tuesday. The employee at the Wallingford postal sorting center found the gray, sandy powder leaking out of an envelope late Monday night, police and postal officials said. The discovery came at about the same time that a white power was found in Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's office in Washington that tested positive for the poison ricin in preliminary findings. The Wallingford center is the same Connecticut postal facility where anthrax spores were found in 2001. A 94-year-old Oxford woman, Ottilie Lundgren, died after inhaling the bacteria, one of five people who died nationwide in the anthrax attacks that fall. Investigators believe she got anthrax through mail that passed through the Wallingford sorting center. Preliminary test results on the new Wallingford sample were inconclusive and officials took the powder to the state Department of Public Health laboratory in Hartford for further testing. The results were expected late Tuesday morning.
"It could potentially be a hoax. There's really no explanation I can think of for a grayish powder to be in that kind of an envelope," said Hal Stephens, a supervisor for the U.S. Postal Inspection Service in Connecticut. Investigators believe the letter, a business reply envelope that did not require postage, was mailed from somewhere in Connecticut. The powder in Frist's office apparently was delivered through the mail system. More definitive tests were expected later Tuesday. The worker who found the powder was wearing gloves, officials said.
"All the employees are fine," said Carl Walton, a spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service in Connecticut. "Nobody needed medical treatment. They washed up and went home."


Addressed to the RNC? Maybe one of the trolls from the looney left is "expressing" himself?
Posted by Steve  2004-2-3 9:41:28 AM||   2004-2-3 9:41:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 does anyone know if the mail irradiation methods used for anthrax work on ricin (or any other bio agents)?
Posted by Anonymous 2004-2-3 12:07:44 PM||   2004-2-3 12:07:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 does anyone know if the mail irradiation methods used for anthrax work on ricin (or any other bio agents)?

No, ricin is technically a poison, not a bio weapon. It is just extracted from a biological source, the castor bean plant. Irradiation only works on living things, such as a anthrax virus.
Posted by Steve  2004-2-3 1:34:13 PM||   2004-2-3 1:34:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Thanks, Steve - i believe it's categorized as a biotoxin..... I was just curious if the irradiation process would break up the molecular structure enough to render it useless.....been researching this a good part of the day... thanks for your info!
Posted by Anonymous 2004-2-3 1:50:29 PM||   2004-2-3 1:50:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Anthrax is a bacillus, not a virus. Irradiation probably will not work on ricin -- I say probably because depending on the nature and strength of the radiation, it can denature protein, and that would inactivate ricin. Don't know the details so can't comment further.
Posted by Steve White  2004-2-3 2:03:41 PM||   2004-2-3 2:03:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Should we expect the FBI to mount a major task-force to go after Dr. Hatfill again?
Posted by Sgt.DT  2004-2-3 2:49:37 PM||   2004-2-3 2:49:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Naw... Sgt.DT.... this has the looks of the Shining Jewel movement.
Posted by Shipman 2004-2-3 3:18:24 PM||   2004-2-3 3:18:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Apparently it's been confirmed -- some ass hat mailed Frist ricin. No word on the Connecticut post office, yet.

Wasn't the Senate Majority Leader also targeted in the anthrax mailings?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-3 3:32:08 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-2-3 3:32:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Hmm, notice the lack of panic? A lot of people I know kind of flipped out during the Anthrax incident. People seem calmer this time around. Of course, the Anthrax attack was pretty much at the same time as 9-11.
Posted by Patrick Phillips 2004-2-3 3:34:55 PM||   2004-2-3 3:34:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Shipman,

Do you mean the Peruvian Shining Path movement?

OT:

A Rula Lenska film festival? Has anyone put out Rock Follies on a US region DVD?
Posted by Eric Jablow  2004-2-3 3:45:07 PM||   2004-2-3 3:45:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Naw... Eric nothing that subtle... More like a shinning Richard Jewel moment.... Hatfill/Jewel etc.
Posted by Shipman 2004-2-3 4:28:16 PM||   2004-2-3 4:28:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Hmm...someone should package some over to Sharon and hope he sprinkles some in his salad. Another Israel conspricy to blame movements in America.
Posted by Rob Ramage  2004-2-3 4:49:13 PM||   2004-2-3 4:49:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Mr. Crawford (#17)~ Senate Minority Leader (Daschle) with the anthrax mailings....odd.

I'm quite torn on this one - seems more like a domestic case - possibly the same person/persons as the anthrax mailings, especially since the same types of facilities targeted...on the other hand, it happened on 02 Feb (now THAT's putting some good faith in the postal system!), which leads me to believe all of the recent threats from AQ.
Posted by DAB 2004-2-3 5:06:38 PM||   2004-2-3 5:06:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 The White House received a ricin letter in December.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-3 7:15:25 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-2-3 7:15:25 PM|| Front Page Top

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