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2003-04-09 Iraq

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Posted by Murat 2003-04-09 03:36 am|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I hope you enjoy waving this picture around with everybody else. Play your Politics of Dead Babies, Murat.

No children were ever harmed under Saddam, before the American's showed up. If they were, you would be just as outraged, right?

Posted by Tokyo Taro 2003-04-09 03:59:27|| 2003-04-09 03:59:27|| Front Page Top

#2 Not as much as you and your kind will enjoy using him for your propaganda, you sick ignorant bastard. It is YOU who are responsible for things like this.

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 04:02:42|| 2003-04-09 04:02:42|| Front Page Top

#3 See that smile?

Posted by Murat 2003-04-09 04:03:04|| 2003-04-09 04:03:04|| Front Page Top

#4 My comment was for Murat, thought I would be first to comment.
Murat you should be hanging from a lamp post.

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 04:06:20|| 2003-04-09 04:06:20|| Front Page Top

#5 All the protesters just hate America! If you are not with us you are against us!

Posted by Murat 2003-04-09 04:10:56|| 2003-04-09 04:10:56|| Front Page Top

#6 MURAT: WHAT ABOUT THOSE 150 KIDS LIBERATED FROM SADDAM'S PRISON, WHO NOW HAVE A FUTURE???

WHAT ABOUT THAT MAN FREED FROM SADDAM'S TORTURE CHAMBERS WITH BOTH HIS EARS CUT OFF BY SADDAM?

WHAT ABOUT THE CROWDS OF IRAQI PEOPLE CHANTING 'DOWN DOWN SADDAM!' AND KICKING AND BREAKING SADDAMS STATUES????

WHAT ABOUT THAT MURAT???

WHAT ABOUT THAT, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT WHEN I USE ALL CAPS JUST LIKE YOU IN YOUR HEADINGS???

Posted by anon1 2003-04-09 04:12:53|| 2003-04-09 04:12:53|| Front Page Top

#7 I know what your saying Murat. I can't look at those images of the injured children. It makes my heart drop; Believe me! I don't know how many their we're, but I prayed everyday that there would be no more. We didn't want those children hurt as much as you, but this had to be done. The evil of Saddam had to be rooted out. When there is a cancer, unfortunately you have to hurt a lot of innocents just to get it out. So, I look at the good side. The people are finally free. That's what's important!

Posted by George 2003-04-09 04:21:22|| 2003-04-09 04:21:22|| Front Page Top

#8 Let's do an online poll. Who thinks Murat crossed the line here?

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 04:21:35|| 2003-04-09 04:21:35|| Front Page Top

#9 Thank you George, I wished there where more people like you, who do care about humanity.

I agree with you that Saddam is an evil, that's the positive side, but the human cost of getting rid of such evil are really to high IMO.

Posted by Murat 2003-04-09 04:28:11|| 2003-04-09 04:28:11|| Front Page Top

#10 Yo Murat,
"There were reports of residents of Saddam City celebrating the end of the Iraqi regime. A Shiite Muslim leader told a group of 400 to 500 people, 'The tyrant of the world is finished, thanks to the coalition. Thank God for Iraq the victorious.'"
No thanks to Murat, of course, the coward that he is, would prefer to keep Saddam in power.

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 04:36:04|| 2003-04-09 04:36:04|| Front Page Top

#11 Murat caring about humanity??? If you cared about humanity you would be attacking Saddam as much as you are attacking Bush. Say something about Saddam. Blame Saddam for that picture Murat. After all, HE TOO is responsible isn't he??? Come on, say it you bastard.

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 04:41:10|| 2003-04-09 04:41:10|| Front Page Top

#12 RW I won't lower myself to your level of language use.

Posted by Murat 2003-04-09 05:07:11|| 2003-04-09 05:07:11|| Front Page Top

#13 Murat,you know Saddam's regime SYSTEMATICALLY imprisoned,tortured and held hostage children of people suspected of 'disloyalty' to the regime;the fact has been documented over and over again by human rights organisations and independent reporters.Is it too much to ask a drop of sympathy for Saddam's victims,or are you one of those people who get moral outrage only when it is convenient for them?
If so,then let's take off the gloves:What's a member of a nation that has massacred millions of innocent Armenians and Kurds doing lecturing the rest of us about ethics?Apologise to them first,and maybe we'll listen to you then.

Posted by El Id 2003-04-09 05:08:17|| 2003-04-09 05:08:17|| Front Page Top

#14 Murat, with your perverse morality, the only way you can go is up. Raise yourself to some level approaching reality, switch on your TV and watch the jubilant Iraqis tearing down images of Saddam, spitting on them, ripping them and burning them. Just admit it - you were wrong! You have been wrong, are wrong, and will continue to be wrong.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-04-09 05:35:14|| 2003-04-09 05:35:14|| Front Page Top

#15 Read This Wank-Rat
Inside Saddam's torture chamber

This prison camp held Men, Women, and CHILDREN without trial. One MUSLIM man was imprisoned because he PRAYED too much. This is the kind of reality that you are trying to protect.

Posted by rg117 2003-04-09 06:22:26|| 2003-04-09 06:22:26|| Front Page Top

#16 Horrific Images that make the Fifth Column weep!

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-04-09 06:25:18|| [www.nuclearspace.com] 2003-04-09 06:25:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Over the line:I vote yes.
I said yesterday Murat Troll,wouldn't be able to accept he may have been wrong(much less admit it publically),you all know much like the far-right here.
The"Peace at any price"jack-offs are all for peace,as long as it is not his 12 year daughter being raped as he watches,as long as it's not his brother imprisioned/tortured for praying to much.
Murat,your avid support of a group of saddist's has lowered your credibility and the value of your opinion to that of a mu-rat.

Posted by raptor 2003-04-09 06:36:25|| 2003-04-09 06:36:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Bulldog: love that idea.

It's true, the fact that those who opposed war to remove Saddam were blatantly wrong, you only have to turn on a TV to see.

So this leaves them in the indefensible, dictator-lovin' corner they painted themselves into. The people of Iraq clearly don't agree with them, so you have to ask: who were they speaking for? Only themselves.

Now watch them grasp at emotive straws to justify their position.

I predict, they will continue to look for any perceived weakness they can to exploit, lame though it is. Instead they should just admit they were wrong and join the winning team - not the whining team.

Posted by anon1 2003-04-09 07:08:42|| 2003-04-09 07:08:42|| Front Page Top

#19 Fred, take it down. It is not news, nor analytical insight.

What's next, Murat, linking to Indymedia? Calling the Jews Zionazis?

Have you answered for the Armenian Genocide, the Greek Occupation or your country's lovely treatement of the Kurds today?

Baby killer.

Posted by Brian 2003-04-09 07:13:39|| 2003-04-09 07:13:39|| Front Page Top

#20 The victim in Murat's picture is properly classified as an indirect victim of Saddam's totalitarian regime where the cause of the injury was coalition ordinance. There are many others, probably in the thousands. However, the direct victims of Saddam totalitarian regime are in the millions. The psychosis of much of the Islamic world is far too strong to be able to understand any of this. This is not just sad, but tragic. If they can't understand the real truth, their fate is simply to wallow in their madness or perceived injustice without hope of economic advance without the possiblity of real civil liberty.

Posted by mhw 2003-04-09 07:15:08|| 2003-04-09 07:15:08|| Front Page Top

#21 I don't think Murat crossed a line. I think we should see the results of our action...but we should see both sides including the positive, just as Murat should be forced to see the results of his own country's atrocities.

Murat has proven himself to be an illogical, ideological coward, since he has neither shown the positive results of US intervention, nor has he responded to repeated questions about his own country's.

This is blatant sensationalism, and it still does not convince me that our cause is unjust. As I said yesterday...Murat is bitter and ashamed that his own country tried to thwart the efforts to liberate the Iraqi people to its own detriment. Let's hope that at least he, if not the Turkish parliament has learned the lesson.

Speaking of that...there's certainly a possibility that is the Turkish parliament HAD allowed the 4 ID to install a northern front, the war would have been avoided or at least shortened, and this picture never would have been taken. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Posted by mjh 2003-04-09 07:52:28|| 2003-04-09 07:52:28|| Front Page Top

#22 "I agree with you that Sadam is evil"
Murat, what the hell has happened to you? You, putting down Sadam? What's taken place in the last few days to make you start dissing your hero. Like I said yesterday, we're on to you, pal.

Posted by Michael 2003-04-09 08:08:10|| 2003-04-09 08:08:10|| Front Page Top

#23 War is hell. We had plenty of people who were maimed during the World Trade Center collapse - unlike the Arab world, we don't dwell on our casualties in an almost pornographic manner. I have pictures of people who went splat on the ground level of the World Trade Center while trying to escape the fires started by the jet fuel on the 747's. Every time I have doubts about the campaign we're waging, I look at those pictures and my heart turns to ice. As ye reap, so shall ye sow...

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-04-09 09:12:23|| 2003-04-09 09:12:23|| Front Page Top

#24 Sorry, Murat. Thought he was Armenian. But it looks like you're long gone. As usual.

Posted by tu3031 2003-04-09 09:16:06|| 2003-04-09 09:16:06|| Front Page Top

#25 Murat: I agree with you that Saddam is an evil, that's the positive side, but the human cost of getting rid of such evil are really to high IMO.

Ah, I see your problem, murat. You're limited only to the present, not to the past, or the future. You can't factor in all the suffering Saddam has inflicted to bring it all into the present. Nor can you factor in all the suffering Saddam WILL HAVE CEASED TO INFLICT from the future that no longer exists thanks to the Coaltion into the present.

Such a narrow, limited mind you have, Murat, incapable of comprehending suffering inflicted by Saddam and your fello Muslims, while our ability to comprehend suffering inflicted by everyone! I am sorry you are not capable of anything more than trolling.

This poor child is impaired in body. You, on the other hand, are impaired in the mind and soul.

Posted by Ptah 2003-04-09 09:18:37|| [www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-04-09 09:18:37|| Front Page Top

#26 I don't think Murat has crossed the line here. We should see remainders of what liberating the Iraqi people has also cost them. War is an ugly, brutal thing, and we shouldn't dismiss it.

That being said, we must also be somewhat cold and practical, realizing that as unfortunate as the maiming of this child and other innocents has been, we have saved many more from as bad and worse treatment at the hands of Saddam and Co.

We know this had to be done, but while we're celebrating their new found freedom we should also take the time to remember the cost.

Posted by Dar 2003-04-09 09:21:56|| 2003-04-09 09:21:56|| Front Page Top

#27 Murat - why is a Hindu the first person to offer help for this boy and not an Arab? Where is all the Arab humanitarian aid? Rhetoric is cheap, actions are not.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2003-04-09 09:35:40|| 2003-04-09 09:35:40|| Front Page Top

#28 "The costs are to high"? Have you ever paid attention to the costs of NOT doing anything? If you have, you surely have come to the same conclusion that the rest of us have. That the humanitarian costs of doing nothing outway the costs of doing something to the tune of about 100,000-1.
If you have not come to the same conclusion, I hope the Kurds get their revenge on the Turks. And remember.. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Have fun with your crumbling economy.

Posted by Mike N. 2003-04-09 10:23:09|| 2003-04-09 10:23:09|| Front Page Top

#29 MuRat, had you any courage, you'd be protesting against your government's treatment of the Kurds, Armenians, and Greek minorities. You'd be protesting its unwise move to block US troops passage - which would have reduced Iraqi casulaties greatly.

Do you have the courage and moral fortitude to admit that you and your government were and still are WRONG?

Oh, thats right. You cannot protest in your country like that, liek we do here in the US. Not without a secret arrest and a long prison term by your crude, oppressive government and police.

Good Luck MuRat - maybe you guys can piss the US off enough to where there is an attack and liberation of your country from its current corrupt government, so it can be rebuilt from the bottom up as a free society.

Posted by OldSpook 2003-04-09 10:26:38|| 2003-04-09 10:26:38|| Front Page Top

#30 Hey Murat, go fuck yourself. Better yet, why not head to Iraq and join your cause--I'm sure the coalition forces there would be more than happy to give you a very special welcome!

Posted by Flaming Sword 2003-04-09 11:12:00|| 2003-04-09 11:12:00|| Front Page Top

#31 Come on, guys. You are devoting megabytes of Fred's storage to rationally replying to irrational Murat's baiting. Ignore the bloody troll and get on with your lives, please.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-04-09 11:12:41|| 2003-04-09 11:12:41|| Front Page Top

#32 Actually, the kid is an innocent victim.

The story doesn't blame the US explicitly. For that matter, there's no evidence that he was wounded by a coalition bomb... could just have easily been an Iraqi AAA misfire/overshoot/whatever.

What happened to the kid, sucks. It would not have happened if the UN, the Arab world, and those who "recoil from violence" hadn't encouraged Saddam to resist past the point of common sense. Pacifism begets violence.

Posted by Mark IV 2003-04-09 11:28:00|| 2003-04-09 11:28:00|| Front Page Top

#33 RW I won't lower myself to your level of language use.
Yet without hesitance you use phrases like "I hope you guys enjoy it." Who do you think we are? Certainly not animals like you.

Posted by RW 2003-04-09 11:53:34|| 2003-04-09 11:53:34|| Front Page Top

#34 Murat, Are you ever going to get the "If you're not with us, You're with the Terrorists" quote correct. Once, just once, I would like to see you get something correct. You've been wrong about everything so far.

Your murderer defending would do more bad (or in your eyes, good) elsewhere.

Go slaughter an Armenian, and leave the discussions involving freedom to the people who know what freedom is.

I've been living free my entire life, and can tell you one thing. You absolutely, in know way what-so-ever, comprehend it.

Posted by Mike N. 2003-04-09 12:09:00|| 2003-04-09 12:09:00|| Front Page Top

#35 We have one young boy in very bad shape who has already been promised help from both British and Hindu sources. There were 150 children in a prison, put there by Saddam Hussein because they wouldn't join the Young Ba'athist party. Which is more terrible, an accidental injury caused by a war of liberation that will make life better for EVERYONE in Iraq, or the deliberate cruelty of a sadistic and demented monster who has been steadily crushing an entire people for almost thirty years?

Most people can understand that kind of value judgment. Those who cannot are the ones who provide legitimacy for the terrorists and murderers of the entire Middle East. God have mercy on their souls - they're going to need it!

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-04-09 12:15:43|| 2003-04-09 12:15:43|| Front Page Top

#36 Has anyone else noticed yet that all you have to do to make Murat run away is to mention the Armenians? He has no answer, his country has no defense to make for that horror, and he knows it.

Posted by Hodadenon 2003-04-09 12:59:02|| 2003-04-09 12:59:02|| Front Page Top

#37 I would like to know what Murat would have said to the GI's who liberated concentration camps like Dachau or Buchenwald. "Bloody murderers, you killed German children to come here?"

Posted by True German Ally 2003-04-09 14:19:44|| 2003-04-09 14:19:44|| Front Page Top

#38 Any civilian death in war is a tragedy. However, these incidents are not the whole story, given that the Saddamites used human shields, as well as civilian structures to conduct war. The fact that al-Jazeera and the left-wing Euros stripped said incidents from context, reveals how far these people diverge from principled journalism.

Posted by Anonon 2003-04-09 22:07:52|| 2003-04-09 22:07:52|| Front Page Top

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