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2005-06-15 Europe

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Posted by too true 2005-06-15 12:37|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sounds to me like some people are tired of your shit, guys.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-06-15 12:48|| 2005-06-15 12:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Those oh-so tolerant Dutch are getten' a might feisty against the oh-so not tolerant Islamic forces.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-06-15 12:48|| 2005-06-15 12:48|| Front Page Top

#3 Absoutely fed up, even the Welfare State loving Dutch see this Sect as a threat. Lots of things going on that are not reported, are hushed up or blamed on other things by the Political elites in Holland. Uden has had more than a just school fire.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-06-15 12:54|| 2005-06-15 12:54|| Front Page Top

#4 This is just anarchism and terrorism. It's no different from burning down a synagogue or a Hummer dealership. And yet...

When the government fails to protect people from evil-doers, the people will become vigilantes to protect themselves.

Were there any secondary explosions?

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-06-15 13:00|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-06-15 13:00|| Front Page Top

#5 tap tap tap...

sympathy meter broke when Theo Van Gogh was murdered.

Sorry!

Posted by anon1 2005-06-15 13:03|| 2005-06-15 13:03|| Front Page Top

#6 Jackal -

When the government fails to protect people from evil-doers, the people will become vigilantes to protect themselves.

I think alot of the government inside-the-beltway types don't understand this... We aren't a bunch of facist nutcases who are upset about this. We are regular people...

If anything were to happen to my wife and son, there would be HELL to pay, and I wouldn't be depending on any cops. I would want be sure to have the right folks, and that's all I would want to be sure of...

Allah akhbar my a**

Posted by BigEd 2005-06-15 13:11|| 2005-06-15 13:11|| Front Page Top

#7 damn shame I'm heartbroken no really.

Posted by BH 2005-06-15 13:24|| 2005-06-15 13:24|| Front Page Top

#8 "...The mosque has been based in its current location since 1982 and has never been attacked before. It is due to be move to the south of Rotterdam in 18 months time, but Billar said he did not see this as the motive for the attack...."

I'm presuming the phrase 'move to the south' means the mosque was going to be sold to help pay for construction of a new mosque. If that's true, then it would make sense for the Moslem community to burn their mosque and use the insurance to pay for the new mosque. Of course, I might be misinterpreting the report.

Posted by mhw 2005-06-15 13:31|| 2005-06-15 13:31|| Front Page Top

#9 the Nazi/Lonsdale/NSDA link smells like a convenient ~~tar brush~~ slur.....

reap what you sow, jihadis

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-06-15 13:32|| 2005-06-15 13:32|| Front Page Top

#10 A couple of years ago, this might've bothered me. But after 2 years of suicide bombers and beheadings, etc., by folks that either condone or turn a blind eye to the atrocities done in the name of their religion, I could care less...

Posted by tu3031 2005-06-15 13:38|| 2005-06-15 13:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Well said tu3031, the muslim community cannot have it both ways. Sure the liberals tell them they can, but they are just about as full of shit as the jihadis. They declared the war, they set the terms, they boasted islam will overtake the world, so now is the time of the reckoning.

Posted by Angase Wholumble3259 2005-06-15 14:09|| 2005-06-15 14:09|| Front Page Top

#12 We just have to understand the arsonists and realize that until the root causes of their unhappiness and anger are discovered and corrected that these people simply have no other way to deal with it than to lash out.

That's what they say about Islam right? Seems only fair the same apply to everyone else.

Posted by Silentbrick">Silentbrick 2005-06-15 14:21|| 2005-06-15 14:21|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm not seeing the respect here for the 1,857,843rd most holy site in Islam.

A minute of silence please

...BRRRRRRP!!!

Ouch! Those burritos didn't go down to well.

OK, times up! Get a move on people, nothing too see here.

Posted by 98zulu 2005-06-15 14:30|| 2005-06-15 14:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Police have said the inside of the Shaan-e-Islam prayer room in a warehouse on the Aleidisstraat has been destroyed.

So this is like one of those New Jersey ex pizza joint mosques? Holy place, my ass.

Posted by tu3031 2005-06-15 14:37|| 2005-06-15 14:37|| Front Page Top

#15 Smell's like one of the 5,800 black churches burnt down in a 3 day period 10 years ago. Inside job.

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-15 14:52|| 2005-06-15 14:52|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't want to tip my hand and let on I'm not a gentle soul, but buildings are not people. How many buildings destroyed or damaged equates to a murder victim? Burning a moskkk doesn't even approach the magnitude of Muzzy acts - Theo Van Gogh isn't the only non-Muzzy to have been murdered in the name of the Religion of Peaceâ¢, just the most "famous". This strikes me as not much more than hooliganism...
"Hey, let's rumble after the soccer match!"
"I've got a better idea - let's burn down a moskkk!"
"H'okay!"

If the Dutch are actually fed up, then they should listen to Hirsi Ali. She's been truth-telling for quite awhile, now. I'd say they should deport every fucking imam who preaches anything harsher than loving thy neighbor, turning the other cheek, and "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you." Too Christian? Tough shit - it's not the Muzzies' country and Islam is an unwelcome fatal disease. Make that more tough shit. Oh, and deport everyone who attended those moskkks with them.

"If they pull a knife, you pull a gun; if they send one of your guys to hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."

Yo, Nederlanders... Magnify by 100x and you'll start getting through to them. They are Muzzy Firstâ¢ - that is the first rule of Islam. If opposed by infidels, they will always side with each other, support each other, lie for each other. You (and us), as infidels, will never get anywhere using a law enforcement approach - it depends upon civility, honesty, and social fraternity. The Muzzies don't buy into any of that shit. They ain't us. Period. After a life of indoctrination, they are irretrievable, broken, dehumanized - they are Muzzies.

Use every means available to make that branch of the family tree a dead end and you'll be on the right track.

That said, this is the hooligans' message, methinks. It's cute, in a swaggering schoolyard sort of way, but it's a far cry from being an adequate answer to Islam.

Posted by .com 2005-06-15 14:56|| 2005-06-15 14:56|| Front Page Top

#17 Arson and racist slogans are an abnormal actâ¦ committed only by pathetic people," he said

Not racism, Islam is not a race. Frustration at their country being overun with people who have no loyalty to their flag, who want to to turn change their way of life, culture, economy, religion, dress, laws, mind & take their freedom. As well as intimidate/murder people who speak the truth about the darkness of Islam like Van Gogh

Posted by Nock Eyes Nilberforce 2005-06-15 15:18|| 2005-06-15 15:18|| Front Page Top

#18 "Arson and racist slogans are an abnormal actâ¦ committed only by pathetic people," says the imam. I guess the real winners of the world stick to kidnapping and beheading.

Posted by Captain Pedantic 2005-06-15 15:53|| 2005-06-15 15:53|| Front Page Top

#19 Then again it might have been someone going for a synagog and got his directions wrong.

Posted by Michael 2005-06-15 16:04|| 2005-06-15 16:04|| Front Page Top

#20 "If they pull a knife, you pull a gun; if they send one of your guys to hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."

Hummm.... my cousin Steve the Cop sez it's more like "He throws a punch you use the club, he pulls a knife, you cash his check"

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-15 17:09|| 2005-06-15 17:09|| Front Page Top

#21 here in the states very large proportion of church and synagogue arsons are in fact related to insurance and related financial issues. So that should not be absolutely excluded, despite the slogans.

OTOH, if this WAS arson motivated by religious bigotry (not racism, thanks for the quibble) then it IS terrorism and should be outright condemned. I despise Euroapoligists who say that Synagogue arsons dont count as long as one was killed - theres no reason to accept that lameness in this case either. Arson is done to instill fear - its a nasty crime, and one that puts life at risk, even when thats not intended.

Its certainly true that losing property is not as bad as taking life - which is why when a Mosque in Fallujah that was used as a base for terror is destroyed, I have no regrets. NONE.

But, AFAICT, the people who belong to this mosque have commmitted no murders, and were in no way responsible for the death Van Gogh. Collective guilt is NOT compatible with democracy, folks.

BTW these guys are Surinamese (which means probabluy ultimately Pakistani origin, although with generations of Dutch cultural influence) Its the North Africans who seem to be associated with violent acts BY muslims in Holland (and Belgium too, for that matter) Why should these people suffer??? Come folks, lets condemn this.

The point that law and order is a good way to prevent vigilantism is well made. Europe could use some more law and order. But hatred exists in Europe independently. Again the evidence seems to point NOT to ordinary Dutch people, but to neonazis. These guys could as easily have torched a Synagogue, had the mood struck them, or one been more convenient. These guys are haters apart from any current events - even if they use Van Gogh as an excuse. I dont know that Van Gogh, who believed in freedom of speech, would have had anything to do with these arsonists. Im sure Ali, the feminist ex-muslim, would NOT.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-06-15 17:32|| 2005-06-15 17:32|| Front Page Top

#22 So tell Sean Connery and the scriptwriter, Ship, lol! I'm just the messenger. ;-)

Posted by .com 2005-06-15 17:33|| 2005-06-15 17:33|| Front Page Top

#23 Lh - Y'know, someday, you're gonna "get it" about Muzzy Firstâ¢. I know you understand what I'm saying, but it's surprising to me that you are apparently willing to dismiss the most fundamental aspect of Islam - the sharp pointy aspect of Islam in practice.

Your "collective" argument is spot-on for every other group or religion or ideology I've ever come into contact with, but it's blind feel-good Pollyanna PCism in regards to Islam. But that's cool - we can disagree. I hope you live to see that day.

Posted by .com 2005-06-15 17:42|| 2005-06-15 17:42|| Front Page Top

#24 Y'know, someday, you're gonna "get it" about "Muzzy Firstâ¢. I know you understand what I'm saying, but it's surprising to me that you are apparently willing to dismiss the most fundamental aspect of Islam - the sharp pointy aspect of Islam in practice."

I understand it, I just dont agree with it. Of course I havent been blessed with spending lots of time in KSA, as you have. Probably the worst place to go in the world, bar none, to get a positive view of muslims.

I doubt I will ever spend much time in Saudi, so I doubt i will pick up your "unique" perspective.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-06-15 17:46|| 2005-06-15 17:46|| Front Page Top

#25 even you dont believe it, dot com. Youve tried to square the circle - youve decided forex, that the Kurds arent really muslims. Cause they dont ACT like muslims, ya know.

well do we know if the Surinamese in this mosque acted like Kurds, or like Wahabis? We dont. I dont think the folks who torched it really cared. I dont think they read Rantburg, or know about the Wolf Brigade. Or the Iraqi soldiers who liberated Mr. Wood. Or the Beduin arabs who are being evacuated FROM Gaza to Israel, to save them from Pal retribution for collaborating.

Nah, a muzzy is a a muzzy to them. Thats why theyre neonazis.

doesnt it occur to you, mr dot com, that im not kewl with ANYTHING done by folks who are admires of NSDAP? Ya know, when Im involved in something that leans a little left, I watch out for Stalinists. I find any, i dont give them the benefit of the doubt. I certainly dont go on about how the capitalists probably deserved it. Even if its a group of capitalists i dont much like.

Folks who are making apologies for this stuff are flirting with ideologies as dangerous as Wahabism. The enemy of my enemy is NOT always my friend.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-06-15 17:54|| 2005-06-15 17:54|| Front Page Top

#26 Then let's agree - if the moskkkk was involved in teh killings, it should be burned to the ground in front of the Wahabist adherents? That's what it will come to, you know? Europeans have a history of isolating someone they don't like. I think the Muzzies haven't figured out that they stand out more than the jews did

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-06-15 18:09|| 2005-06-15 18:09|| Front Page Top

#27 well do we know if the Surinamese in this mosque acted like Kurds, or like Wahabis?

Which Kurds, Liberalhawk? The ones working with us or Ansar al Islam, who not only are terrorists in Iraq but also linked to open rape, child marriage and a bunch of other objectionable acts in Scandanavia.

Posted by too true 2005-06-15 18:14|| 2005-06-15 18:14|| Front Page Top

#28 I think the Muzzies haven't figured out that they stand out more than the jews did

I think they know. In fact, I'd say it's a point of pride. It's just that they think they can suppress any antagonism through rapid and disproportional outbursts of rage and violence. So far, I'd say they've been proven correct.

Posted by BH 2005-06-15 18:18|| 2005-06-15 18:18|| Front Page Top

#29 to a point, BH, you are correct. When it becomes acceptable to ridicule them in the streets, however, the seething will look as ineffective as it really is, and the actual backlash against the muslim ghettos will begin. By staying unassimilated, they make the rollup easier

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-06-15 18:27|| 2005-06-15 18:27|| Front Page Top

#30 and more necessary.

Posted by too true 2005-06-15 18:38|| 2005-06-15 18:38|| Front Page Top

#31 Sigh. Okay, enough being nice to a fool: kiss my hairy ass Lh.

"Does it occur..."

Y'know, sometimes you just boggle with your disingenuousness. I didn't defend burning down the fucking moskkk, jackass. I pointed out that it's irrelevant, mere hooliganism. It addresses nothing of the real issue. Does it occur to you that I'm not cool with Aris-like bullshit - which your #25 is full of? Bite me.

Regards the Muzzies, the point is behavior, Mr Lh, lol! Can you absorb that, at least? IT IS WHAT MATTERS. The Kurds get a break because they deserve one - they're intelligent civil people, based upon long-term observation of their behavior toward each other and non-Kurds. They could be taking revenge - the Peshmerga's qualified and available... but they're not. Indeed, they are very very bad Muzzies. Have you finally read the qu'uran and the haddiths, yet? The Kurds SUCK as Muzzies. So yeah, I cut 'em slack.

"Folks who are making apologies for this stuff are flirting with ideologies as dangerous as Wahabism."

Folks who can't see past their feel-good dumb as dirt PCism are equally as dangerous. Geez, what a load of shit. Total Dhimmiwit shit.

You sound like you drank your lunch, today. And went back for seconds and thirds.

Posted by .com 2005-06-15 18:51|| 2005-06-15 18:51|| Front Page Top

#32 Liberlhawk is right: don't add bigotry to the mess we already have. We descend to the level of the Islamofascists when we applaud this kind of violence.

The fire would be understandable--and still wrong--if the resident mullah was preaching bile like that fellow in London (you know who I mean; I can't remember his name, the one who came for Welfare benefits). The Surinamese don't have the reputation for violence that other varieties of muslim do. Everybody take a deep breath and think before supporting the neonazis.

Posted by mom 2005-06-15 18:58|| 2005-06-15 18:58|| Front Page Top

#33 You sound like you drank your lunch, today. And went back for seconds and thirds

so what if I ...uh...oh. You were talking to LH.....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-06-15 18:58|| 2005-06-15 18:58|| Front Page Top

#34 neonazis? I addressed that in #9 - prove it was them first. This sounds like pre-emptory Godwin's Law

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-06-15 19:01|| 2005-06-15 19:01|| Front Page Top

#35 Hmm. Wow. Did anyone else notice that there were two Surinam news items today? huh.

What were the odds?

Posted by jules 2 2005-06-15 22:31|| 2005-06-15 22:31|| Front Page Top

#36 Hmm. Wow. Did anyone else notice that there were two Surinam news items today? huh.

What were the odds?

Posted by jules 2 2005-06-15 22:31|| 2005-06-15 22:31|| Front Page Top

#37 You know, I love this site and I've posted occasionally but you guys really throw elbows... its your site (collectively) so I guess you can do what you want. Still, you might ponder the fact that having a mite less-than-hair-trigger approach might be more conducive to constructive exchanges... IMHO.

Posted by markb 2005-06-15 23:25|| 2005-06-15 23:25|| Front Page Top

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