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2005-11-28 Iraq
The Nightmare That Won't Go Away
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Posted by Steve 2005-11-28 09:01|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 That's not a bug. It's a feature.
Posted by Master of Obvious 2005-11-28 10:27||   2005-11-28 10:27|| Front Page Top

#2 sounds like a good idea too me :>
Posted by Jerelet Thineling2988 2005-11-28 10:29||   2005-11-28 10:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Who's got the popcorn?
Posted by Jim">Jim  2005-11-28 13:15|| http://Technochitlins.com]">[http://Technochitlins.com]  2005-11-28 13:15|| Front Page Top

#4 Soryy, MoO, it is a bug. A key driver of our strategy is to incorporate significant Sunni into the new Iraq institutions. Iran is a huge threat, and for a 'reasonable' Iraqi government to survive there needs to be a 'critical mass' of viable opposition, which will HAVE to include a functioning Sunni component. We are trying to remove an advanced cancer from a vital organ without destroying the organ.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2005-11-28 13:27||   2005-11-28 13:27|| Front Page Top

#5 This is not good news. Especially for the Kurds. Three factions is better than two when it comes to multicultural/ethnic government. Just ask Canada.
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-11-28 13:46||   2005-11-28 13:46|| Front Page Top

#6 Let's apply a little common sense here...

"But this arrangement demands that the Sunni Arabs become active in fighting the terrorists."

This is dead right, Jim. It's their call. Thus far, they have either been active or passive allies / dupes for the terrs, hoping to stay out of the crosshairs but ready to inherit the mantle if the old order returns - trying to have it both ways, in other words.

No one can blame the Shi'a or the Kurds for their reaction to this reversal of fortune. To say otherwise is disingenuous. The Sunnis have fostered, whether actively or passively, the lawlessness that exists in Iraq, not to mention the bad blood generated by their brutality under Saddam. In the vacuum, the rise of vigilantes is absolutely natural - every man wants safety for his family, first and foremost. Additionally the payback factor certainly exists - also perfectly natural in their society as many Shi'a and Kurds have lost family to these dysfunctional murdering cretins for generations, and now from their terr "allies". They won't be changing the blood feud "rules" to suit anyone anytime soon. Fact.

In the end, it's obviously their choice. Note that you can't make them choose "correctly", either. So far, in every single case, they've chosen as badly as you would expect from a group as alien as if they came from Mars. Darwin 101 is in effect and social engineering will be just as ineffective here as it is everywhere else. Until the first requirement, safety, is met, all bets are off and the Sunnis are beginning to get exactly what they have clearly asked for - strategy be damned.
Posted by .com 2005-11-28 14:11||   2005-11-28 14:11|| Front Page Top

#7 .com is right on the money here. The Sunnis will fuck themselves right out of power in Iraq, already have for the most part.

We must secure the country before all else, and if that means wiping out the Sunni,well... they brought it on themselves and have noone to blame but themselves, and the Prhench and Germans for fucking up the original war plans that might have made life easier for Sunni arabs post Saddam!

But regardless, the Sunni are in a bad way and it ain't gonna get any better for them till the insurgency and terrorists are defeated.

EP
Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-11-28 16:39||   2005-11-28 16:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Although could nean shia Islamic state from joining Iran?
Posted by Obvious Phil 2005-11-28 17:13||   2005-11-28 17:13|| Front Page Top

#9 Shia Arabs in Iran are already agitating to be free of the Shia Persians so it seems unlikely that Shia Arabs in Iraq would suddenly throw their own self-governing away.

I think the Shia Arabs amung Shia Persians in Iran and Shia Arabs amung Sunni Arabs in Saudi Arabia are more likely to wish to join Shia Iraq.

Seems Iran and Saudi Arabia has a lot more to worry about in that scenerio. Could explain why both nations are filling the ranks of guerrillas.
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-11-28 18:04||   2005-11-28 18:04|| Front Page Top

#10 message from Kurds and Shias to Sunnis:

"We're done playing - you either get with the program, which offers you better than you deserve, or we'll kill every last one of you bastards"
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-11-28 20:13||   2005-11-28 20:13|| Front Page Top

#11 At long last; the voice of reason.
Posted by AsymmTri 2005-11-28 21:10||   2005-11-28 21:10|| Front Page Top

#12 An IRGC top Cdr. has just said today that Iran and the IRG will defeat America in Iraq and throughout the ME - IS IT JUST ME, OR DID IRAN = IRGC JUST GIVE YET ANOTHER INDICIA THAT IRAN IS WILFULLY INTERFERING IN IRAQ, AND THAT DUBYA, AGAIN, IS RIGHTEOUS TO TAKE MIL ACTION AGS IRAN!?
Once again, dem dar Iranyuhns are demanding to be attacked and invaded by Dubya.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-11-28 22:13||   2005-11-28 22:13|| Front Page Top

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