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2008-11-30 India-Pakistan

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Posted by john frum 2008-11-30 15:12|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 A brilliant move on India's part would be to coordinate with NATO to fly in a division of Indian army light infantry, to help seal the Afghan border with Pakistan. This would about make every variety of Pakistani about poop themselves.

It would also put the blocks to both the al-Qaeda and Taliban activities, and drug production, which cuts off a lot of the money.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-11-30 15:36|| 2008-11-30 15:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Fact is that Pakistan is a failed state; a failed nuclear armed state. Even if the government had good intentions (which they don't), they can't control either the ISI or the various militant Islamic groups that the ISI supports. This will NOT end well. Biden talked about an international test of Obama - this is the first one. Then Iran, then Russia.

Posted by DMFD 2008-11-30 16:03|| 2008-11-30 16:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Time to start the detailed plans for the nuclear disarming and subsequent dismemberment of Pakistan into a group of tribal states.

Then take up President Obama on his comments about Pakistan.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-11-30 16:27|| 2008-11-30 16:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Two points:

1) if the Paks withdraw troops from the border region, it will have less ability to respond when various bad guys in the area get Predatored. They'll complain still, but we can step up the drone attacks, the occasional over the border artillery, etc., to make our point.

2) India and the US must now recognize that they need each other, and that they need to get past the squeamish of the Left in both countries. Share intel, share training, let the Indians get a good price on US-made weapons, etc. The Paks have always been convinced that they're surrounded. This time it should be true.

Posted by Steve White 2008-11-30 16:30|| 2008-11-30 16:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Henry Kissinger from an interview today...

...We should have a very serious conversation with Pakistan. Pakistan has been a traditional friend. We have cooperated with Pakistan. They helped us in the opening to China in an indispensable way. And they were cooperative in many phases of the war on terror. But they have to understand that they cannot -- that it is an ultimate threat to their own security if they permit conditions to exist on their territory, where it simultaneously threatens all the major neighboring countries. And where Pakistan has a right to be told that we respect its territorial integrity, that we discourage attacks on its territorial integrity, but that in the end, it has to be a good citizen in its neighborhood, especially with respect to the threat that is now becoming paramount simultaneously in Afghanistan and significant in India. And it has to understand, in my view, that its biggest security threat now are the entities that it is permitting
or tolerating on its own territory. We should act here as a friend, but we should make clear what our understanding of the situation is.

Posted by john frum 2008-11-30 16:56|| 2008-11-30 16:56|| Front Page Top

#6 China is our friend as well, according to Henry

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-11-30 18:08|| 2008-11-30 18:08|| Front Page Top

#7 Note Kissinger's barely veiled threat to dismember Pakistan if they don't get with the program.

Free Baluchistan here we come.

Posted by phil_b 2008-11-30 18:19|| 2008-11-30 18:19|| Front Page Top

#8 PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM > ONE HUNDRED TERROR GROUPS AT WAR AGZ INDIA; + BANGLADESH SECULAR DEMOCRACY STRUGGLING WITH VIOLENT RADICAL ISLAMISM. JAMAAT-E-ISLAM is an UMBRELLA/COVER ORGANIZATION for approxim 100 ISLAMIST POLITICAL-MILITANT [Sub]GROUPS IN BANGLA [only 4 - up to 2 had been Banned] - up to 2.5Milyuhn indigenous ethnic tribal members are facing serious, even malicious, competitive pressures from repatriated Bengali Muslims imported by Bangla's Govt to help wid local dev of their tribal regions. SAUDI ARABIA [$$$ for Pro-Radicalist Temples, Madrassas]+ PAKISTAN [Islamist Militant-Anarchist Breeding Ground]BELIEVED TO SUPPOR/FEEDING THE STEADY OR "CREEPING" ISLAMIZATION/TALIBANIZATIN OF
BANGLADESH.

* INDIAN DEFENCE FORUM > TERROR GROUPS MAY USE NUCLEAR AND BIOLOGICAL [CBRN/NBC]DEVICES, to include advanced = complex mechanical and psychological devices, and in addition to sophisticated MILITARY-STYLE TACTICS; + MAJILIS-E-ITTEHADUL MUSLIMEEN [MIM] POLITICAL AND MILITANT GROUP WANTS A SEPARATE URDU STATE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-11-30 20:56|| 2008-11-30 20:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Boittom line: if Pakistan wants to be a sovereign nation, then they need to act as one, including cintrilling internal areas and cross-borders banditry.

Same applies to Mexico, come to think of it.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-11-30 22:24|| 2008-11-30 22:24|| Front Page Top

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