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2009-01-04 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

IDF confirms at least 20 gunmen killed in ground offensive

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Posted by Fred 2009-01-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top
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#1 Hmmm...so the why the 'ell are them pesky rockets still raining on them beersheeba bitches and ashdod asswipes?

Posted by Yawlad Metnaka 2009-01-04 03:06|| 2009-01-04 03:06|| Front Page Top

#2 "1 Hmmm...so the why the 'ell are them pesky rockets still raining on them beersheeba bitches and ashdod asswipes?"

Dunno, Yawlud. Go to bed and think about it. Do let Dino out for the night first.

Posted by thinempwimble 2009-01-04 06:15|| 2009-01-04 06:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Abu Vern Estes is showing them how to make little rockets?

Posted by .5MT 2009-01-04 06:26|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2009-01-04 06:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Yawtad may be sarcastic but it will be crucial to see if the rocket fire is suppressed over the next few days (its been about 30-60 per day since the operation cast lead began) or whether Hamas can increase it to 200+ a day which was the initial thought on what the Hamas plan was.

Posted by mhw 2009-01-04 08:34|| 2009-01-04 08:34|| Front Page Top

#5 IDF estimates Hamas has enough rockets for 60-90 days of attacks. That's prior to any recent attrition or use, of course.

Some attacks will continue while the IDF degrades the Hamas leadership and infrastructure. Keep your eye on the larger goal here and don't buy the Hamas claim that their occasional tactical attacks mean they're winning or undefeatable.

Posted by lotp 2009-01-04 08:37|| 2009-01-04 08:37|| Front Page Top

#6 IDF estimates Hamas has enough rockets for 60-90 days of attacks

Offensive action should not be based on Hamas rocket inventories or the terminatin of rocket launches. As they run out they'll be placing orders for more from Iran and China. Rockets don't kill people, ~~people~~ Hamas kills people. Take out the shooters.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-01-04 08:42|| 2009-01-04 08:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Sure. And while you're doing that, interdict the resupply lines (as the Israelis are doing) and make it VERY clear that this sort of response will occur every time Hamas rearms until the organization is destroyed or gives up its intent to destroy Israel.

Posted by lotp 2009-01-04 11:07|| 2009-01-04 11:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Take out the shooters

It doesn't look like you have to be a rocket scientist to be able to shoot Hamas rockets, so the number of potential shooters could be very large. I suspect money men and logisticians are the most vulnerable points.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2009-01-04 11:11|| 2009-01-04 11:11|| Front Page Top

#9 And big changes in money flow or transport patterns - forced by tunnel closings and inventory depletion - might be easier to spot than the incremental changes driven by small attacks.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2009-01-04 11:13|| 2009-01-04 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 I've been surprised by the coverage of this event. Fox news had a bubblehead yesterday who set up the following meme in the Fox manner of distributing propaganda in the form of a question:

Do you think that ...?

...if there is ever another rocket shot into Gaza that this will be seen as a victory for Hamas?

...this is a clever plot by the Palestinians to "lure" the Israelis onto their own turf so that they could possibly kidnap soldiers or have a car swarm and thus win the war of popular opinion?

...it is possible for Israel to call this a victory if anything, anything at all, goes wrong for the Israeli army?

...if any Palestinian civilians are harmed that it will unite the world against Israel?

Heck, I've forgotten the other things she said - but I do remember her calling something "pure brilliant genius" on the part of the Palestinians.

I think Israel should stop trying to engage in this type of "friendly" question and answer propaganda and simply put out a statement to the effect that no nation would be willing to tolerate a neighbor shooting rockets into their kindergartens on a daily basis and that if Hamas continues to shoot rockets, they will continue to step up their efforts to make them stop.

You can't win by allowing your enemies to frame the questions like this: Bob, your wife slept with everyone in your office. Do you think that by divorcing her it will reflect badly on your sexual ability? We are just trying to be fair and balanced here.

Posted by Shalet and Tenille1168 2009-01-04 13:16|| 2009-01-04 13:16|| Front Page Top

#11 You should answer along the lines of this.

"Was Hitler a genius to get the allied forces to surround his bunker in Germany where it's quicker for him to attack?"

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-01-04 13:46|| 2009-01-04 13:46|| Front Page Top

#12 BP

there is a story that when Hitler moved his command center to Berlin in 45 one of the military types said, "this will be most convenient; we will be able to travel to both the west front and the east front by streetcar"

Posted by mhw 2009-01-04 15:04|| 2009-01-04 15:04|| Front Page Top

#13 Interior lines... I mean reallly interior lines are everything.

/Shun Tu

Posted by .5MT 2009-01-04 19:25|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2009-01-04 19:25|| Front Page Top