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2010-03-22 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by 3dc 2010-03-22 00:52|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 âVideo: Hell No!â: Boehner Makes Impassioned Statement on House Floor

Posted by 3dc 2010-03-22 02:06|| 2010-03-22 02:06|| Front Page Top

#2 Republicans and other responsible congress critters need to scrutinize each appropriation bill and bring this stinking and corrupt government to a halt so we can sort out the corruption and hold it up to the light of day.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2010-03-22 03:02|| 2010-03-22 03:02|| Front Page Top

#3 Been there / done that Paul. We the People had very little tolerance for Republicans bringing the federal government to a screeching halt. It wouldn't be any different this time.

Posted by AzCat 2010-03-22 07:08|| 2010-03-22 07:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Indeed. We will now see all those doctors who threatened to retire.

I suspect the number will be similar to the number of leftists who moved to Canada after Bush was elected.

People will look around, figure out how to make money, and the devil take the hindmost.

Look at Stupak for an example.

Posted by Kelly 2010-03-22 07:19|| 2010-03-22 07:19|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't know if anyone has even seen the actual bill they voted on, but in an earlier version it looked like doctors' pay scales were going to be set by the government, and without regard to specialization. Can't see how that will stand, but stranger things have been done.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-03-22 07:58|| 2010-03-22 07:58|| Front Page Top

#6 The decline in doctors and medical professinals is already in a disturbing downward spiral. With an estimated additional cost of $100m per year it will be interesting to see how long Caterpiller remains in the United States. Ford motor, Deere, and other large employers may be looking at moving soon on as well. This may be the straw that breaks the back of our remaining industrial base. Of course none of this bothers Barry or his leftest congressional elites living it up in Pyongyang on the Potomac.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-03-22 08:18|| 2010-03-22 08:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Kelly, it sounds to me like you have a lot of animosity/contempt towards the medical profession. Perhaps you're glad the bill passed? Yes there are some rapacious docs who will stay purely for the money, but many will, in fact leave.

Doctors WILL leave, but in most cases, their leaving won't take the form of an immediate shutting of doors. When socialized medicine swept Europe in the late 1800's-mid 1900's, many of the doctors did in fact leave the profession, the pattern was reasonably similar in each country.

It will go something like this:

1. Some of the older and most experienced docs will, in fact, simply shut down their practices. Probably around 5-10%. Many others (probably another 10%) will retire considerably earlier than they would have otherwise, probably as soon as their retirement is funded, instead of working another 10 years when they are at the peak of a lifetime of medical wisdom and are at their most useful to sick people. So not only are doctors going to be leaving, but they're taking the best the profession has to offer with them. Proportionately, this is even worse than 20% of random doctors disappearing.

2. Other docs will alter the business plans of their practice in ways that will be the equivalent of retiring, particularly if they already have plenty of money/investments saved. For instance, they will cut back the number of days they work, stop taking new patients, become non-insurance practices, become boutique practices, stop doing emergency medicine, get into cosmetic medicine, etc. In essence, this removal from the general treatment modality we've come to expect is the equivalent of the doctor retiring from full service.

3. A certain percentage of current med students will drop out, realizing that they can never recoup the money or attain the standard of living in the fashion they imagined after 4 yrs of school and 3-10 years of internships/residencies due to the government setting their fees much lower than a free market would dictate. Except for the affirmative action students, med students are among the very brightest and hard working there are, and many will (correctly) see their talent wasted in a field where their income and opportunities and freedom are limited. There will be other places where they can apply their talents that will provide much greater opprtunities for elevating themselves. They WILL opt for those instead.

4. For the same reason, a VERY LARGE percentage of the very highest quality potential med school candidates - particularly those who do not come from wealthy families - will never even apply to med school, knowing that it is a bad deal and that with their brains they can do much better elsewhere. This will cause less-qualified applicants to be accepted, meaning more students flunking out, or incompetent doctors graduating, the end result either way being fewer competent doctors.

The final end game will be that kids from independently wealthy families who are extremely bright and have the desire to be doctors will do so, and pretty much everyone else applying to med school will be far less qualified than what we've become used to seeing - lesser kids who won't mind accepting a much-reduced salary than current doctors and crushing debt because the ultimate income is still more money than their brains and talent would allow them to make anywhere else.

The overall number of doctors will be less, not more, and many if not most of the new graduates will be less qualified and less competent. Also, take into account the fact that competition for other fields - engineering, business, law - will become much more acute, because people who otherwise weren't competing for those spots and who are highly talented will now be vying for those areas.

Is all of this mercenary? Some is, perhaps.

Yet who can blame the doctor who sees his neighbors voting in a government which curtails the doc's salary so the same neighbor can have lower health care costs and is outraged enough to leave his profession?

Who could blame the doc for coming to the conclusion that the neighbor who would use the government as a bludgeon to force doctors to make less money so that said neighbor could have more doesn't deserve high-quality health care, period?

I know I couldn't.

Posted by no mo uro 2010-03-22 08:52|| 2010-03-22 08:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Not to worry, Kelly, I hear Cuba has plenty of doctors. They're ~~for sale~~ available. Hugo Chavez says they're great.

I am a physician, and I can tell you that this new idiot health care plan will weigh heavily in my own future plans.

Posted by Steve White 2010-03-22 09:38|| 2010-03-22 09:38|| Front Page Top

#9 I can't blame Dr. Steve at all. No legitimate medical practice, hospital, or business can survive a negative cash flow or be harnessed to a burgeoning avalanche of gov't rules and regulations. Difficult at times to get past a PA and see a real doctor in my community NOW!

Elderly Inuits who could not keep up with the nomadic tribes were said to have been pushed through the ice to their death. Eliminate health care providers and restrict services to the elderly. What a convenient and actuarially sound method for methodically exterminating the predominately caucasion baby boomer bubble. They only waste those social security checks on the slots in Vegas anyway. The sooner they are gone the sooner their wealth can be redistributed.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-03-22 10:05|| 2010-03-22 10:05|| Front Page Top

#10 Indeed. We will now see all those doctors who threatened to retire.

Something like that. The word may not fit perfectly, but for those who understand what is going on, it is a decent fit.

As for Stupak, that must have been a setup, or he's just a clueless wanna-be. Nobody on the planet believes that an executive order is binding.

Posted by gorb 2010-03-22 10:36|| 2010-03-22 10:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Now that the left is ruining Dr. Steves profession, maybe I can afford to hire him for a couple of discussions. Lawd knows there aint a whole lotta people to talk to about endocronology, fat oxidation in the liver, problems uptaking iron, etc. Thanks for shafting those select few people, Barry. I was starting to think I'd never be able to afford my own doctor.

In my best Red Formean: Dumbasses.

Posted by MIke N. 2010-03-22 10:50|| 2010-03-22 10:50|| Front Page Top

#12 Here is some information on what the new taxes will look like. If you have investment income such as rental income, you will pay 23.8% interest on it.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2010-03-22 11:55|| 2010-03-22 11:55|| Front Page Top

#13 No, just disgusted with my fellow man.

I have a "pre-existing" condition. I have been turned down in my inquires regarding long term insurance. I also understand why. Oh well. Bad job of picking my grandparents.

If I had my illness once Obamacare reaches its stride I would most likely be dead as I am no longer a "contributing" member of society.

Maybe fewer people will go into medicine, but I also suspect that few if any practicing doctors will really quit. We will probable also have to keep importing doctors and nurses from the PI and India. Problem of course is, like finding a gullible Chinaman to fund your programs, this has a limited life.

Actually I suspect that the only way that even possibly to make this abomination work will be the nationalization of the medical industry. Probably coming next.

I saw Stupak coming a mile away.

I believe that most people are "stupaks". Looking back on it I am forced to conclude that their creation started in the early 60's. Long story, that.

I had a discussion with one last night. Nice guy. Just not very smart. He actually is against everything Obama is for but supports him four square; he is willing to give the system a try for 3 or 4 years to see how things work out. I pointed out to him that for the first 3 or 4 years he would be doing nothing but pay taxes. He really did not care because only the "rich" are going to pay.

When I went into additional detail all I received an uncomfortable "give the system a try for 3 or 4 years to see how things work out".

I know many people in that category. Some quite well "educated". One person is even in the process of starting a small business.

While I believe that the Democratic leadership is insane I also believe they are true believers and most probably will not be stopped; just as a small element of every homeowner's association makes life miserable for everyone and eventually gets simply because normal people just give up after awhile.

I applaud "resistance" to this bill, and hope to be a part of it, I have the feeling that such is a "Tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

In the end I think we will go broke and lose.

The dignity of Man is now elsewhere. I just have a hard time understanding where.

Posted by Kelly 2010-03-22 12:23|| 2010-03-22 12:23|| Front Page Top

#14 Actually I suspect that the only way that even possibly to make this abomination work will be the nationalization of the medical industry. Probably coming next.

BINGO! Give that man a cigar. This is the real intent of the Deathcare legislation. It was never about 'fixing healthcare' but about driving healthcare to nationalization. It does absolutely nothing to 'fix healthcare' yet everything to 'control healthcare'.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-03-22 13:25|| 2010-03-22 13:25|| Front Page Top

#15 "I also suspect that few if any practicing doctors will really quit."

Wrong. NEJM says otherwise. Expect to lose 10% of doctors over the next 5 years, and a similar loss of med school students, once they realize that they will be trying to work off the huge school debts in a government operated and regulated industry, with trial lawyers still roaming freely to sue them into poverty.

This was a disaster.

Posted by Beldar Threreling9726 2010-03-22 16:08|| 2010-03-22 16:08|| Front Page Top

#16 Hang in there Kelly. More folks agree with you than you might know.

~~(insert Afrikkaner tribal lore) (veiled refrance to race) (slight nod to spelling check) (veiled excuse for agery and I killed 'em all when I was in NAM, Iraq, Can't Tell U Where)~~

Posted by Shipman 2010-03-22 17:01|| 2010-03-22 17:01|| Front Page Top

#17 I am a physician, and I can tell you that this new idiot health care plan will weigh heavily in my own future plans.

I am sorry Dr. White. I hear the same things from my physicians; all good and bright people. I think we are all in for some very hard times in this country.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-03-22 17:10|| 2010-03-22 17:10|| Front Page Top

#18 doctors' pay scales were going to be set by the government

"Paging Dr. Galt, Paging Dr. John Galt ... uh ... has anyone seen Dr. Galt?"

Posted by DMFD 2010-03-22 17:57|| 2010-03-22 17:57|| Front Page Top

#19 FOX NEWS AM > #4's Post is broadly the same argument or conclusions KRISTOL was making this AM, i.e. that Obamacare will pass because BOTH POLS + MAINSTREAM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR NEAR-TERM PERSONAL OR IMMEDIATE CONVENIENCE, POCKETBOOK, ETC. + NOT ON HOW OBAMACARE, ETC. WILL FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA [unto GOVTISM-SOCIALISM].

* Compare wid WND > RUSH LIMBAUGH: [Traditional US]ELECTIONS COULD END UNDER OBAMA.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-03-22 19:49|| 2010-03-22 19:49|| Front Page Top

#20 BOTH POLS + MAINSTREAM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR NEAR-TERM PERSONAL OR IMMEDIATE CONVENIENCE

Too bad we can't make them worried about their near-term physical well being.

Posted by OldSpook 2010-03-22 21:42|| 2010-03-22 21:42|| Front Page Top

#21 What disturbs me with all this vote, is yet again the Obama admin has little to no concern for the people. His concerns are self serving and I believe filled with ulterior motives. Now it will be up to the states and this is just what that ass for a prez wants. He wants the states to sue, he wants them to become divided, he wants this nation more divided. His plans are getting more and more clear, his intent is to divide our nation and tear it apart. But why? I don't know. So he can in some self serving way "save us all" and rebuild in some socialistic model? I dont know, but the wheel is in motion. I just wonder who is pulling the Obama strings.

Posted by 49 Pan 2010-03-22 22:08|| 2010-03-22 22:08|| Front Page Top

#22 49Pan - Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and fellow travelers...
Nuff said.

Posted by 3dc 2010-03-22 23:06|| 2010-03-22 23:06|| Front Page Top

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