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2010-09-29 Home Front: Politix

How do you say I stole your job suckas in Chinese?

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Posted by Private Eye 2010-09-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Reverse 50 some years of inflation, repeal the minimum wage and maybe we could keep some of those jobs here.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2010-09-29 00:52|| 2010-09-29 00:52|| Front Page Top

#2 Trending now: Americans bitch slap Bill Clinton and at least repeal every asskneed thing he did with tariffs. And Nafta, flush twice,please because this country is about to have a facking midlife crisis if some more jobs and shite don't materialize.

Posted by Private Eye 2010-09-29 01:00|| 2010-09-29 01:00|| Front Page Top

#3 The Chinese "stole" nothing. The sell out of Americian manufacturing has been going on for nearly 50 years, perhaps longer. Since Nixon went to China it has accelerated dramatically. Kissinger picked up on the potential after seeing the Post-War recovery of Japan. Remember how we used to laugh at cheap, Japanese cameras and other imports? Well, the laugh was on us. Ross Perot saw it coming as did many others. Remember his quote about a "Giant Sucking Sound?" Anyone think former Kissenger & Assoc. employee Tim Geithner speaks Chinese because it was an easy college language elective? This is all about cheap labor and Wall Street, Walmart junk marketed to fly-over country making minimum or near minimum wage. Schwinn bicycles and Studebaker cars are not gone because no one rides a bike or drives a car any longer. The "New Reality" is we're headed to Buenes Aires folks. Is everyone on the bus?

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-29 03:41|| 2010-09-29 03:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Tim Geithner should go.

Posted by Private Eye 2010-09-29 06:18|| 2010-09-29 06:18|| Front Page Top

#5 Germany is the world's biggest exporter of manufactured goods.

Of course, anyone calling for measures to stop Germans stealing American jobs would sound like an idiot.

The reality is that high added value, high skill, high wage manufacturing still prospers in the developed world. It's the low added value, low wage jobs that have gone to China. And it's mainly the rent seeking unions that want them back.

Posted by phil_b 2010-09-29 07:23|| 2010-09-29 07:23|| Front Page Top

#6 good comments fellow 'burgers. One of the reasons I love this site.

Posted by Broadhead6 2010-09-29 08:23|| 2010-09-29 08:23|| Front Page Top

#7 "It's the low added value, low wage jobs that have gone to China"

That is wrong too, Chinese build everything. You Americans will not know by what will be hit. Starting with this stupid protectionist WSJ piece. It seems free market is good when only suits WSJ.
Your crap schools, your socialist media... in past America achivement was most important now Americans are enamored of Process: Red Tape and Governement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_China_administrative_divisions_by_HDI

The only solution that you have is to extend the Republic beyond the People: In Protecting the people stuff :property, income, public dept from ravages of State.
Limit of Taxes and Debt in Constitution is the only solution for Western World.

Posted by Phosing Big Foot3926 2010-09-29 08:53|| 2010-09-29 08:53|| Front Page Top

#8 With respect to businesses manufacturing overseas:

what kind of environmental impact study do you need for your plant in China vs. here in the states?

Posted by Grenter, Protector of the Geats 2010-09-29 08:58|| 2010-09-29 08:58|| Front Page Top

#9 WWI destroyed Europe, physically, intellectually, and financially. It was in the unserviceable debt that they spent to win at all costs that lead eventually to part II, aka WWII. This was in the minds of the American leadership in the 70s. One of the objects was to avoid a major WWIII, not just a nuclear exchange but the costly grinding conventional engagement as well. We'd had a taste in Korea in the 50s. The Beltway boys decided to move China not by war or force but by trade, to make the linkage so dependent as to avoid a conflagration. That was a long strategy. So far it has panned out. While so many here will hand wring and bemoan the loss of low skill high paying manufacturing jobs and the current economic situation, none will ponder the uglier what if of a massive war in confrontation that would have consumed lives and society on the scale of the first half of the 20th century. Or to paraphrase Orwell, "We were always at war with Eastasia."

The real problem is the lack of focus, or ability, to insure that the market really is free. When China refused to float their currency by the late 90s early 00s to allow the natural adjustment of value of labor and trade, the Beltway [of both parties] refused to press the point. That's when the issue should have been pushed. You can throw in the limp wrist response to infringement of intellectual property as well. When the dollar does collapse, the value of labor in the US will compete with any other nation. It'll also impact those holding Treasury paper [can you say China], devaluing dramatically that which should have been permitted to adjust slowing and naturally in an open market system. Their loss will be just as much of their own action in refusing to 'play by the rules' of free market.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-29 08:59|| 2010-09-29 08:59|| Front Page Top

#10 You may have a small point there Phosing Big Foot3922 but you'd be starving, Japanese Unit 731, upright primate medical experiments if it were not for the US, so you and your Communist Chinese masters can go collectively phuech yourselves.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-29 09:02|| 2010-09-29 09:02|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't really understand why the bulk of those low skill manufacturing jobs were never created in Mexico. Yeah now it would be stupid but a decade ago... The transport costs all around would have saved a bundle and the science and leadership could have come out of the US directly. Is it because of Mexican law against foreign ownership?

Posted by rjschwarz 2010-09-29 09:39|| 2010-09-29 09:39|| Front Page Top

#12 And yet the Dems are pushing for new EPA regulations that would force companies to out source even more

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/28/inhofe-says-epas-new-boiler-rule-kill-nearly-manufacturing-jobs/

Posted by Knottie 2010-09-29 09:52|| 2010-09-29 09:52|| Front Page Top

#13 "It's an important political message when the number one issue is jobs," Sen. Richard Durbin (D., Ill.) said Monday.

The underlying bill was intentionally written with very broad language. It was then introduced under rules for limited debate or amendments and therefore had no chance for passage. Even some Democrats conceded the bill would do very little to address outsourcing and that some of the tax language may actually hinder job growth. IOW, it was another political charade intended as a talking point for the Union saps to blather about at their upcoming commie rally.

Posted by DepotGuy 2010-09-29 09:52|| 2010-09-29 09:52|| Front Page Top

#14 Coffin NailS

Unions
ExperimentalistS
Lawyers
Highest Corporate Taxes in the world

Posted by HammerHead 2010-09-29 09:59|| 2010-09-29 09:59|| Front Page Top

#15 Ooops:

Environmentalists above

Posted by HammerHead 2010-09-29 10:00|| 2010-09-29 10:00|| Front Page Top

#16 To respond to Richard's question. Albeit, something akin to introducing Cheech and Chong to a bong. The scripted, 'for consumption' Washington policy justification for Chinese outsourcing was an attempt to introduce capitalism and free market interprise to a impoverished communist regime in the hopes it would see the light and adopt a more collegial attitude toward the West. How altruistic no?

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-29 10:08|| 2010-09-29 10:08|| Front Page Top

#17 I don't really understand why the bulk of those low skill manufacturing jobs were never created in Mexico.

If you compare Mexico and South Korea, you'd have to ask the same thing. SK doesn't have the abundant natural resources, vast arable lands, as large population, or an immediate large neighboring market willing to consume products 'made in'. South Korea arose from literal war devastation in the 50s, to around number 13 in national GDP while Mexico is around number 11.

The reason is the ruling class in Mexico operates the place like a fiefdom. Both, by written and social law, foreign firms have to take a 'family' member to operate the Mexican investment. It's family like the Godfather. The caste maintains its social and economic position at the expense of the rest of the population. That's why they've dumped 10 million of their mestizos y indios on the US to avoid the potential for revolution or reform when they can't keep them in place with the usual nationalistic jingoism. Corruption takes that much out of a society. Raising the standard of living for the population would endanger their control over that fiefdom. Cause nothing smells more like a threat to a ruling caste like a large prosperous middle class. Why do you think they seek to destroy it here? /rhet question.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-29 10:15|| 2010-09-29 10:15|| Front Page Top

#18 Procopius is dead on as usual. To add a bit, the Mexification of US labor brings along with it the added plus of part-time work, lower wages, and benefits. No need to export, just permit time and immigration to resolve the issue by themselves.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-29 10:28|| 2010-09-29 10:28|| Front Page Top

#19 "You may have a small point there Phosing Big Foot3922 but you'd be starving, Japanese Unit 731, upright primate medical experiments if it were not for the US, so you and your Communist Chinese masters can go collectively phuech yourselves."

Why do you think i am Chinese?

I am Portuguese, we are bankrupt and America is going our way.
To do anything in America there is need of a battalion of lawyers, paperwork to the top of a room, and political cover.
In my country the Political Cover and Subsidies are essential.
So more and more people choose Employmenism: Protest low salaries say business is made by incompetents but don't want anything to do with entrepreneurship.

Posted by Phosing Big Foot3926 2010-09-29 10:53|| 2010-09-29 10:53|| Front Page Top

#20 Desculpe Phosing. Please excuse my passion.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-29 10:58|| 2010-09-29 10:58|| Front Page Top

#21 Those low-skill manufacturing jobs that were not shipped abroad (China is only one of many countries eagerly accepting what to them are very high-paying jobs) have been replaced at home by robots. This is because the manufacturing unions priced their people so high that it was worth spending an awful lot of money and effort to replace them. Bottom line, those jobs are gone, whether to foreigners or machines.

The only source of new, low-skill jobs is small businesses coming on line, which will not invest either in overseas manufacturing or in robots until the venture is proved out and profitable enough to afford those costs. The unions really, really blew it.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-29 11:23|| 2010-09-29 11:23|| Front Page Top

#22 This is because the manufacturing unions priced their people so high that it was worth spending an awful lot of money and effort to replace them.

They should go pick grapes.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2010-09-29 11:57|| 2010-09-29 11:57|| Front Page Top

#23 "Highest Corporate Taxes in the world"

Not. The stated rate is high, but none of the corporations are paying that. Profits are offshore just like our financial system has been moved offshore.

But it makes a nice whine anyway.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-13/companies-dodge-60-billion-in-taxes-even-tea-party-condemns.html

Posted by Black Charlie Chinemble5313 2010-09-29 16:45|| 2010-09-29 16:45|| Front Page Top

#24

The Beltway boys decided to move China not by war or force but by trade, to make the linkage so dependent as to avoid a conflagration. That was a long strategy. So far it has panned out.

What an amazingly devious and cunning strategy. Let me think, we'll sell our nuclear technology to China so they can target us perfectly, sell them our high speed computers which are used for nuclear purposes, ship all our manufacturing jobs to a giant slave-state, ship our thinking jobs to India, bring in a vast immigrant slave workforce to undercut our own workforce here in the states.

Get rid of all our health benefits to employees who cannot compete with the slaves and put them on gov't programs, plunder our financial system so there is NOTHING left.

And somehow expect that our country will survive with just a few elite at the top not paying taxes to support it all. And somehow afford to be cop to the world.

And then declare ourselves winners. Remarkable!

Posted by Black Charlie Chinemble5313 2010-09-29 16:53|| 2010-09-29 16:53|| Front Page Top

#25 The "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" looks better and better as the decades pass. The Japanese made something out of nothing on their overpopulated rocky islands. The Chinese have made nothing out of something given their rich natural resources: check out your local ubiquitous $Stores, Walmart and etc. When Nixon "opened" China he opened Pandora's Box...The heirs of Mao - the greatest mass murderer in history - must be chuckling.

Posted by borgboy 2010-09-29 17:01|| 2010-09-29 17:01|| Front Page Top

#26 The caste maintains its social and economic position at the expense of the rest of the population. That sounds like another country, the one I'm currently living in.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-29 17:26|| 2010-09-29 17:26|| Front Page Top

#27 Black Charlie, one should also consider the problems the other guy's facing as well. They're playing a balancing game as with significant trade offs and dangers. The bets may really be who falls first.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-29 17:27|| 2010-09-29 17:27|| Front Page Top

#28 我偷了你的工作你这白痴！

Posted by linker 2010-09-29 18:34|| 2010-09-29 18:34|| Front Page Top

#29 Stole your job implies that a 'job' can be owned, that it is an entitlement, that it is not something that is earned or bargained for.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-09-29 19:56|| 2010-09-29 19:56|| Front Page Top

#30 Okay okay. China is stealing quality of life, to include manufacturing "jobs" at times. 中国不好。

Posted by Private Eye 2010-09-29 20:01|| 2010-09-29 20:01|| Front Page Top

#31 WSJ headline Bill Would Give U.S. Power to Levy Tariffs Over Cheap Yuan; Senate May Balk

Posted by Private Eye 2010-09-29 20:03|| 2010-09-29 20:03|| Front Page Top

#32 I am Portuguese

Welcome, Phosing Big Foot3926! You are our first correspondent from Portugal. One of the pleasures of Rantburg is getting perspective directly from those who are (or have been) out there. I look forward to hearing more from you.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-29 23:53|| 2010-09-29 23:53|| Front Page Top

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