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#1 Latest word is this particular case was an accidental shooting, not a soldier gone rogue.
Posted by crosspatch 2012-08-27 07:55||
#2 Could be an accident in this case. But I just spoke yesterday to a friend who knows someone who was killed in one of these Green on Blue incidents. In that case - the US serviceman was gunned down in the home of a senior Afghan policeman. This is such a radical change in culture - because traditional culture for the Afghans says that you would never harm someone in your own home - even your worst enemy. Apparently, all that is gone now.
The Green on Blue killings mark one of the most effective strategies by the Taleban to undermine the morale of US troops and to prevent US assistance to Afghanistan. This is not a small issue - it's a BIG one. Finding an effective answer will not be easy.
Posted by Raider 2012-08-27 10:26||
#3 I have an idea about dealing with blue on green killings.
Enact the following policy: Any time ANA or Afghan Police kill and American service member, we arrest that individual's Platoon Leader, Company Commander, Battalion Commander, Brigade Commander, and Division Commander - and then line them up against the wall, and execute them by firing squad - with their seconds in command attending as witnesses.
I will guess that there might be another two blue on green incidents after that policy is enacted - and then, miraculously - the problem would cease to exist.
Affix mortal responsibility - and vetting will improve dramatically.
Think of the military parachute rigger's oath: "I will be sure - always". What makes it trustworthy is their commitment to jump any chute they have packed. Make it so with the armed Afghan government forces.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2012-08-27 10:32||
#4 Finding an effective answer will not be easy. Posted by Raider
Declare victory and label the worthless bastids fully trained and operationally ready! No more feel good "partnering". Assign them a fok'n sector. We've got a sector, they've got a sector. You need air support, call us. Otherwise FO!
Posted by Besoeker 2012-08-27 10:35||
#5 August 1 Thru August 22 Casualties 34
Killed by Afghan Police Officer After Sharing Predawn Ramadan Breakfast
-Gunnery Sgt. Ryan Jeschke, 31 -- Herndon, VA
-Staff Sgt.Sky R. Mote, 27 -- El Dorado, CA
-Capt. Matthew P. Manoukian, 29
Taliban Suicide Vest Detonation
-Maj. Walter D. Gray, 38 -- Conyers, GA
-Maj. Thomas E. Kennedy, 35 -- West Point, New York
-Command Sgt. Maj.Kevin J. Griffin, 45 -- Laramie, WY
-Sgt. Louis R. Torres, 23 -- Oberlin, OH
-Pfc. Michael R. Demarsico II, age unavailable -- North Adams, MA
-Staff Sgt. Eric S. Holman, 39 -- Evans City, PA
-Petty Officer 3rd Class Clayton R. Beauchamp, 21 -- Weatherford, TX
-1st Sgt. Russell R. Bell, 37 Tyler, TX
-Staff Sgt. Matthew S. Sitton, 26 Largo, FL
-Lance Cpl. Curtis J. Duarte, 22
-1st Lt. Todd W. Lambka, 25 Fraser, MI
-Pfc. Jesus Jonathan Lopez, 22
-Spc. Kyle B. McClain, 25 -- Rochester Hills, MI
-Sgt. 1st Class Coater B. Debose, 55
-Staff Sgt. Gregory T. Copes, 36 -- Lynch Station, VA --
-Hospital Corpsman Petty Officer 1st Class Darrel L. Enos, 36 -- Colorado Springs, CO
-Spc. James A. Justice, 21 -- Grover, NC
-Pfc. Andrew J. Keller, 22 -- Tigard, OR
-Lance Cpl.Gregory T. Buckley, 21 -- Oceanside, NY
-Staff Sgt. Scott E. Dickinson, 29 -- San Diego, CA
-Cpl. Richard A. Rivera Jr. , 20 -- Ventura, CA
-Master Sgt.Gregory R. Trent, 38 -- Norton, MA
-Spc.Ethan J. Martinez, 22 Lewiston, ID
-Cpl.Daniel L. Linnabary II, 23 -- Hubert, NC
Helicopter Crash - Unknown Cause
-Sgt. Richard A. Essex, 23 -- Kelseyville, CA
-Special Warfare Operator Petty Officer 1st Class Patrick D. Feeks, 28 -- Edgewater, MD
-Sgt. Luis A. Oliver Galbreath, 41 -- San Juan, PR
-Chief Warrant Officer Brian D. Hornsby, 37 -- Melbourne, FL
-Chief Warrant Officer Suresh N. A. Krause, 29 -- Cathedral City, CA
-Special Warfare Operator Petty Officer 2nd Class David J. Warsen, 27 -- Kentwood, MI
Cause of Death Under Investigation
-Sgt. David V. Williams, 24 -- Frederick, MD
Posted by Shusons Phomoling8120 2012-08-27 10:57||
#6 Seems like an awful lot of "rogues", if ya know what I mean...
Posted by mojo 2012-08-27 11:24||
#7 May not be the same incident but it is mayhem out there...
Two American soldiers were shot and killed by one of their Afghan colleagues in the east, military officials said, bringing to 12 the number of international troops -- all Americans -- to die at the hands of their local allies this month.
But Afghan officials said Monday's attack in Laghman province was a separate case from the rash of recent insider attacks on international forces, because it appeared to have been unintentional.
The incident unfolded when a group of U.S. and Afghan soldiers came under attack, said Noman Hatefi, a spokesman for the Afghan army corps in eastern Afghanistan. When the troops returned fire and ran to take up fighting positions, an Afghan soldier fell and accidentally discharged his weapon, killing two American soldiers with the stray bullets, he said.
"He didn't do this intentionally. But then the commander of the (Afghan) unit started shouting at him, 'What did you do? You killed two NATO soldiers!' And so he threw down his weapon and started to run," Hatefi added. The U.S. troops had already called in air support to help with the insurgent attack and the aircraft fired on the escaping soldier from above, killing him, Hatefi said.
Posted by Gerthudion Throter8068 2012-08-27 11:24||
#8 an Afghan soldier fell and accidentally discharged his weapon, killing two American soldiers with the stray bullets
Hmmm..more accurate than NYPD cops. Two kills with a spray, even on auto [or if they were using M16s, three round burst] seems rather statistically improbable. Not impossible but highly improbable. Fratricides do occur in combat - Pat Tillman.
Posted by Procopius2k 2012-08-27 11:37||
#9 I don't think executing their commanding officers up the chain will help that much. Shooting the perps entire family might. Extended family. Along with their imam and village chief.
Always remember, what would the Romans do. Multiply by 10.
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-08-27 13:51||