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#1 Wishful thinking---what would happen to the black middle class be without "reverse discrimination"?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-10-03 01:06||
#2 Well g(r)omgoru atleast there is one person, E.W. Jackson who has turned his back on the Democrat Party, maybe there will be more who "see the light".
Posted by Whavish Jeamp2873 2012-10-03 01:13||
#3 Please file under stories seldom told.
"...And after the battle of Gettysburg in July 1863, ...reported among the rebel prisoners were seven blacks in Confederate uniforms fully armed as soldiers..."
- New York Herald, July 11, 1863
Posted by Besoeker 2012-10-03 01:35||
#4 Depending on whose polling you are looking at, Obama has lost considerable support among black Americans. I saw some Gallup polling that showed his support down 88% which is the lowest for any Democrat since Dukakis. Some polling I saw in North Carolina showed Obama's support among black voters there down to 76%.
It will be interesting to see how the exit polling looks.
Posted by crosspatch 2012-10-03 02:55||
#5 Sorry, Crosspatch, ain't going to happen in any of our lifetimes.
Jackson is a statistical outlier.
95%+ of blacks will vote for Obama even if they were to see him on live TV set fire to 100 third graders and promise to do the same every week for the rest of his life.
Their voting is (sadly, and with notable exceptions) driven by tribalism and intergenerational grudges based upon conditions which no longer exist. The Boston Irish invented this and still act that way, and in many ways are the model.
Add to this the fact that nearly 80% of the blacks who have joined the middle class have done so through public sector employment, much of it affirmative action hires, and that both in terms of percentages and actual numbers (at least since Clinton's second term) they are the largest group on various forms of public assistance, and you have an additional generic loyalty to the Dems, the party of expanding government.
Pursuing this "blacks are wavering in their support for Obama" mem is a fool's errand. The center/right needs to make its gains elsewhere.
Posted by no mo uro 2012-10-03 05:44||
#6 If you look around, you can see on a daily basis that the liberal agenda is a jealous god.
Note the (D)'s approach to heretics (anyone who they think should belong but disagrees with them).
Posted by ed in texas 2012-10-03 07:31||
#7 The black middle class was not built on affirmative action so much as on expanded government employment. As such, shrinking government will hit that group harder than most.
A lot of blacks I know are not pleased with Obama but can't make themselves vote against him - I would not be surprised though if many decided not to vote at all. Romney's bigger problem is people (independent, libertarian and Republican) who won't vote because they no longer believe it matters - I am not very sure they are wrong, but I won't give up until the fat lady sings.
Posted by Glenmore 2012-10-03 08:24||
#8 Jackson is definitely someone walking in the narrow way, and Jesus made no bones about the fact that there wouldn't be many people walking beside him.
The fact of the matter is that there are many Christians in the democratic party who have said "YES! YES! YES!" when The devil offered them the world in exchange that they worship him, believing that they can renege on their side of the bargain, but (like everything else in real life) have no clue as to the many ways that the world and the devil have to extract compliance. Many have no problem looking at welfare as "charity", and have no moral compunctions about forcing other people to "contribute".
One of the core metaphors for describing the Christian life is that it is a building the believer builds on the foundation of belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. While many know of the passages that tell them to build on Jesus Christ, in one passage Paul warns Christians to be careful of the materials they use when they build on that foundation: the quality of the materials is what is tested in The Last Day, and our rewards are based on what survives 'the fire'. My personal belief is that the quality of the materials INCLUDES their origin, so I expect a lot of weeping and wailing among liberal Christians when God rips out of "their" building all the materials they STOLE from someone else: that is, if they are taking credit for the "good laws" they passed and the "good legislators" who passed those laws that effectively did the "good works" on someone else's dime. In fact, I believe they will receive a double condemnation: one for taking someone else's resources as their own to do their own "good works", and the second for the good works that those who originally owned those resources would have done with them, but could not because those were taken away from the original owners. Think of a burglar who is not only sentenced based on how much he stole, but also on the cost of the lost benefits that were deprived from the original owner and any other potential beneficiaries. I talk to liberal christians about this, and the blink rate goes way up: they simply cannot process the concept that maybe God gave ME the money and not to THEM because God had told ME what to do with it, and THEY were opposing God's will by taking it away from me to spend it on what THEY, not God, wanted.
Posted by Ptah 2012-10-03 09:48||
#9 The question is not who they vote for but if they turnout. Blacks turned out in record numbers in 2008 and Obama could really use those numbers now.
Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-10-03 10:18||
I would tend to think you Gettysburg story is BS: it is true that Lee advocated for reruiting Blacks in the Confederate Army but he met stauch resistance and the few recruited were still in traing by the end of war. Anyway at the time of Gettysburg no Confederte, not even Lee advocated for recruiting Blacks.
Posted by JFM 2012-10-03 10:34||
#11 It's estimated that approx. 50,000 blacks served in the Confederate Army. Alabama authorized a "colored militia" in 1862.It's quite possible that some were at Gettysburg. Other states such as Texas and Louisana also had such units.
Posted by OCCD 2012-10-03 10:57||
#12 Well then, most respectfully, you'd be incorrect. Civil War history has indeed identified blacks who championed the cause in uniform and in mufti, as paid engineers, teamsters, observers, and yes informers. Lee's enthusiasm and desire to arm the black man was not borne out of sheer concept.
Lastely, terms such as none, zero, and never are fairly exclusive. Deviations and exceptions oftentimes prove quite revealing.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-10-03 11:11||
#13 There were black Virginia Troopers in Grumble Jones' command. They were freedmen and were paid the same as white soldiers.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-10-03 12:08||
#14 I'll comment after the election.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-10-03 12:49||
Posted by Angiting Snore1647 2012-10-03 13:20||
#16 Never realized until now the major roles fear and child-like hysteria play in paranoid schizophrenia. I'd recommend that you seek help, AS, but we both know you prefer the world you have created between your ears.
Posted by Shinter Javirong9154 2012-10-03 15:55||