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2013-03-18 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Secret White House tapes: LBJ knew about Nixon's 'treason' but never reported it
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Posted by Skidmark 2013-03-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ]  Top

#1 BBC News added this:
The president did let Humphrey know and gave him enough information to sink his opponent. But by then, a few days from the election, Humphrey had been told he had closed the gap with Nixon and would win the presidency. So Humphrey decided it would be too disruptive to the country to accuse the Republicans of treason, if the Democrats were going to win anyway.

Nixon ended his campaign by suggesting the administration war policy was in shambles. They couldn't even get the South Vietnamese to the negotiating table.

He won by less than 1% of the popular vote.

Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968.

The White House tapes, combined with Wheeler's interviews with key White House personnel, provide an unprecedented insight into how Johnson handled a series of crises that rocked his presidency. Sadly, we will never have that sort of insight again.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2013-03-18 06:56||   2013-03-18 06:56|| Front Page Top

#2 War as an extension of diplomacy politics, power, and money; who knew ?
Posted by Besoeker 2013-03-18 08:40||   2013-03-18 08:40|| Front Page Top

#3 They say it's "treason" that we didn't "End The War" in '68 instead of '73, but the North didn't abide by the '73 treaty and by '75 the Dems were putting Southeast Asia, all 28 million or so of our allies, on their damn little auction block.

Those are unfacts and unpeople.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-03-18 08:59||   2013-03-18 08:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Once again, from wikipedia (yeah, I know):


Vietnamese refugees fleeing Vietnam, 1984

On 2 July 1976, North and South Vietnam were merged to form the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.[308] Following the communist takeover, 1–2.5[309] million South Vietnamese were sent to reeducation camps, with an estimated 165,000 prisoners dying.[310] Between 100,000[309][311][312] and 200,000[313] South Vietnamese were executed.[314] R.J. Rummel, an analyst of political killings, estimated that about 50,000 South Vietnamese deported to "New Economic Zones" died performing hard labor,[278] out of the 1 million that were sent.[309] 200,000 to 400,000 Vietnamese boat people died at sea, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.[315]

Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia, fell to followers of the Communist Party of Kampuchea, commonly known as the Khmer Rouge, on 17 April 1975. Under the leadership of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge would eventually kill 1–3 million Cambodians in the killing fields, out of a population of around 8 million.[21][22][23][316] At least 1,386,734 victims of execution have been counted in mass graves, while demographic analysis suggests that the policies of the regime caused between 1.7 and 2.5 million excess deaths altogether (including disease and starvation).[316] After repeated border clashes in 1978, Vietnam invaded Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia) and ousted the Khmer Rouge in the Cambodian–Vietnamese War. The Vietnamese installed a new government led by Khmer Rouge defectors, which killed tens of thousands and enslaved hundreds of thousands.[317]

In response, China invaded Vietnam in 1979. The two countries fought a brief border war, known as the Sino-Vietnamese War. From 1978 to 1979, some 450,000 ethnic Chinese left Vietnam by boat as refugees or were expelled across the land border with China.[318]

The communist Pathet Lao overthrew the royalist government of Laos in December 1975, establishing the Lao People's Democratic Republic.[319] The conflict between Hmong rebels and the Pathet Lao continued in isolated pockets. The government of Laos has been accused of committing genocide against the Hmong,[320][321] with up to 100,000 killed out of a population of 400,000.[322][323] From 1975 to 1996, the United States resettled some 250,000 Lao refugees from Thailand, including 130,000 Hmong.[324]

More than 3 million people fled from Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, many as "boat people". Most Asian countries were unwilling to accept refugees.[325] Since 1975, an estimated 1.4 million refugees from Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries have been resettled to the United States,[326] while Canada, Australia, and France resettled over 500,000.[327] In 1988, Vietnam suffered a famine that afflicted millions.[328] Vietnam played a role in Asia similar to Cuba's in Latin America: it supported local revolutionary groups and was a headquarters for Soviet-style communism.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-03-18 09:25||   2013-03-18 09:25|| Front Page Top

#5 John Kerry to the white courtesy phone.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-18 09:27||   2013-03-18 09:27|| Front Page Top

#6 All that happened _AFTER THE TREATY_.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-03-18 09:28||   2013-03-18 09:28|| Front Page Top

#7 According to the tapes, Johnson learned through FBI wiretaps that Nixon had played a role

Why was the FBI, under Johnson, wiretapping the Nixon Campaign? Or am I missing something?

Posted by CrazyFool 2013-03-18 09:44||   2013-03-18 09:44|| Front Page Top

#8 ..does (D) answer your question. When (D) does it, it's OK. Anyone else and its so very very wrong.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-18 10:23||   2013-03-18 10:23|| Front Page Top

#9 SO, according to the Wikipedia numbers, the domino theory, which the libs and the media laughed at, was a reality.

Gadzooks, we were sold down the river in SE Asia by the media? By the Dems? I am SHOCKED I TELL YOU SHOCKED.

They're doing the same thing in Africa and the ME and we will have hell to pay for that.
Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-03-18 10:39||   2013-03-18 10:39|| Front Page Top

#10 LBJ knew about Nixon's 'treason' - but never reported it

Professional courtesy ?
Posted by Besoeker 2013-03-18 11:24||   2013-03-18 11:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Without an end to the Vietnam War by Election Day, Nixon was voted into the White House.

Anyone who thinks it possible that the war could have ended in the fall of 1968 is trafficking in a rather extreme form of self-delusion bordering on auto-hypnosis. The Paris Peace Accords had behind them four years of grinding COIN, two invasions of neighboring countries, massive unrestricted bombing of the North Vietnamese ports, and the bloody repulse of the Easter Offensive. It's not as if Nixon just turned around after the election and settled things on his own terms. At worst, he shut down a miserable, pointless, toothless joke of a negotiation with his interference.
Posted by Mitch H.  2013-03-18 11:26|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/  2013-03-18 11:26|| Front Page Top

#12 We're not hearing the wiretaps of Nixon and the South Vietnamese embassy, we're hearing tapes of LBJ talking to various people and telling them "Nixon had blood on his hands" and it was "treason". Beyond that there is no proof that Nixon actually committed treason. There is no proof that Nixon did anything at all, not that I would put that type of shenanigan beyond him. But it was LBJ's war and it was fucked up from the get go. Even LBJ's Defense Secretary McNamara told him we couldn't win, at least not with LBJ's strategy. So for LBJ to try to blame it all on Nixon is 100 percent bullshit.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-03-18 11:40||   2013-03-18 11:40|| Front Page Top

#13 Johnson opted to take the secret of the scandal to his grave, fearing that exposing Nixon would also reveal he had bugged the South Vietnam's ambassador's phone, and cause a national security mess.

That'd be interesting information to anyone who is thinking of allying themselves with the United States. I've been telling you people for years that jimmuh carter was nowhere near being the worst president. Carter was a soft headed, nasty little fool but he didn't have the balls to be anywhere near as nasty as Johnson. The jury is still out on Obama.


Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-03-18 11:49||   2013-03-18 11:49|| Front Page Top

#14 200,000 to 400,000 Vietnamese boat people died at sea, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Thank Jimmy Carter's "no assist at sea" policy for a significant portion of those deaths.
Posted by Pappy 2013-03-18 16:57||   2013-03-18 16:57|| Front Page Top

#15 Thank Jimmy Carter's "no assist at sea" policy for a significant portion of those deaths.

I should have remembered about that. We all should.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-03-18 21:41||   2013-03-18 21:41|| Front Page Top

#16 I had a friend of mine that went through that. Amazed that he made it. So was he.
Posted by tu3031 2013-03-18 22:49||   2013-03-18 22:49|| Front Page Top

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