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2016-01-06 China-Japan-Koreas

North Korea Says It Has Detonated Its First Hydrogen Bomb

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Posted by Steve White 2016-01-06 09:12|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top
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#1 detection devices around the world had picked up a 5.1 seismic event along the country’s northeast coast

USGS summary detail

Posted by Skidmark 2016-01-06 10:17|| 2016-01-06 10:17|| Front Page Top

#2 In many ways the perfect metaphor for Champ's time in office.

Hey Chaps, no more on the job training for presidents. What do you say?

Posted by Iblis 2016-01-06 11:01|| 2016-01-06 11:01|| Front Page Top

#3 yes, mounting a nuclear weapon on a missile is 'just an engineering problem' but it is a difficult one

U-235 bombs are pretty heavy and bulky

Pu-239 bombs can be made lighter and smaller but Pu-239 is not so easy to work with

also there is the 'ignition at the right time' issue

airplanes make a better delivery system for threshold and post 'first test' nuclear weapons powers

Posted by lord garth 2016-01-06 11:58|| 2016-01-06 11:58|| Front Page Top

#4 They'll still blame Bush...

Actually, it was Mr. Clinton who worked out an "agreement" with the Norks.

As an aside, it appears that the NorKs also had a successful test of a sub-launched missile as well.

Posted by Pappy 2016-01-06 12:07|| 2016-01-06 12:07|| Front Page Top

#5 I would bet my paycheck they had Iranian help. Heck, this might even be an Iranian test as well. What better way to test a bomb? Especially if it isn't in your country.

Posted by DarthVader 2016-01-06 13:13|| 2016-01-06 13:13|| Front Page Top

#6 No, Ned's not exactly objecting:
"We're more in the way of expecting!"
Is little shit regnant
A little bit pregnant?
"Let's pause once again for reflecting."

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2016-01-06 13:43|| 2016-01-06 13:43|| Front Page Top

#7 From State via Top Secret e-mail:
"Fear notteth of banquetting blackmail.
Without our Heinz ketchup
Kim never can catch up
The gap in atomic shrimp cocktail."

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2016-01-06 14:00|| 2016-01-06 14:00|| Front Page Top

#8 Nukes emit lots of light when they go off, Well they did call him the light bringer didn't they?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2016-01-06 14:32|| 2016-01-06 14:32|| Front Page Top

#9 All this talk of NoKo being unable to mount a warhead on a missile is garbage.
AQ Khan provided Libya with engineering blueprints for a Chinese designed missile warhead, The Chinese gave this design to Pakistan and Pakistan gave it to everybody else, including North Korea, with whom it shared bomb technology in exchange for missile technology. The Chinese have the North Koreans the missile tech. The aim of both proliferations was to encourage nuclear and missile free zones in east asia and south asia, neutering India, Japan, South Korea as they get locked into decnuclearization agreements with NoKo and Pakistan. Unfortunately for China, India won't play ball, and Japan while non nuclear on paper could build a large and sophisticated arsenal very quickly.

Posted by John Frum 2016-01-06 14:50|| 2016-01-06 14:50|| Front Page Top

#10 And the North Korean test site has never been calibrated to obtain the empirical constants used to estimate yield. Any figures given by outsiders are just guesses,

Posted by John Frum 2016-01-06 14:54|| 2016-01-06 14:54|| Front Page Top

#11 So is North Korea completely out of the Chinese control now or is this at the behest of Bejing?

Posted by rjschwarz 2016-01-06 14:58|| 2016-01-06 14:58|| Front Page Top

#12 The yield Y of a nuclear explosion is given by the equation
M = a + b log Y
where a and b are empirically determined constants for the test site and M is the magnitude.

Initial reports gave the a magnitude of 5.1

for the Novaya Zemlya test site, the eqn would be
5.1 = 4.45 + 0.75 log Y
this gives a yield Y of 7.3 kt

for Nevada Test Site, it would be
5.1 = 3.92 + 0.81 log Y
this gives a Y of 28.6 kt

Nobody has calibrated the North Korean test site and so the empirical constants can only be guessed, based on presumed geology (or chosen to give the yield you wish to claim).
You have estimates of 7 to 29 depending on the numbers you choose and measurement used.

Posted by John Frum 2016-01-06 15:05|| 2016-01-06 15:05|| Front Page Top

#13 Testing at reduced yield would avoid blowing out the test tunnel and contaminating their country.
50kt would make a nice package suitable for MIRVing a missile. The United Kingdom uses 100kt warheads on its Trident SLBM missiles with yields of 0.3 (unboosted primary), 5-10kt (adjusting tritium boosting) and 100t (full yield)

Posted by John Frum 2016-01-06 15:14|| 2016-01-06 15:14|| Front Page Top

#14 "They'll still blame Bush...

Actually, it was Mr. Clinton who worked out an "agreement" with the Norks."

Doesn't matter, Pappy. The usual suspects will still blame Bush. And probably Reagan.

Posted by Barbara 2016-01-06 19:32|| 2016-01-06 19:32|| Front Page Top

#15 Iff KJU = Pudgy can detonate an alleged MINI H-BOMB = MINI-NUKE, it won't be long before his Country will be able to detonate a FULL-SIZED H-BOMB OR NUKE.

AFAIC NOKOR's action is ultimately covertly about its relationship wid overlord CHINA + wanting to break free from the latter's domination.

As I've said or inferred many times before, China will NOT allow formal Reunification between the two Koreas until it first gets back TAIWAN once-n-forevar. KJU = Pudgy has to find a way to prevent NOKOR State + Econ collapse while also preventing Chinese takeover, espec annexation, for any reason, + while keeping alive both NOKOR"s brand of State Socialism + relevancy of the Kim Family per se to any new post-Reunification Unified Govt + other.

WOULDN'T SURPISE AT ALL IFF PUDGY KEEPS A CASE OR TWO OF MAALOX + ASPIRIN AT HIS SIDE AT ALL TIMES.

* FYI IIRC GUAM PDN this wet Guam AM > [AP] US INSTITUTE: NORTH KOREA STILL WORKING ON SUBMARINE-LAUNCHED MISSLE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2016-01-06 19:58|| 2016-01-06 19:58|| Front Page Top

#16 * PACIFICNEWSCENTER GU K-57 this AM > GUAM IN THE MIDDLE OF RISING TENSIONS BETWEEN US, CHINA, + RUSSIA.

Yuuuup, GOD + MADONNA + NOSTRADAMUS + 1960's-1970s Guam Taotamonas still on the money or mark in New Year 2016.

[LOOKING GRIMACINGLY/ANGRILY AT US ARMY VIETNAM SOLDIER, FUTURE CLINTON ADMIN VPOTUS AL GORE + M-16 here].

lol.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2016-01-06 20:07|| 2016-01-06 20:07|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm still trying to figure out which of the top 20 largest American cities that I would miss.

Posted by Pliny Hupaviter4091 2016-01-06 22:29|| 2016-01-06 22:29|| Front Page Top

#18 * LUCIANNE > [AP] NORTH KOREA BOMB TEST COULD FURTHER IMPERIL [NoKor] RELATIONS WID CHINA.

Yuuup - CHINA = BREAKING CHINA'S HOLD ON HIS COUNTRY IS SSSHHHH ...PCCCCCC PUDGY'S COVERT REAL TARGET OR FOCII, NOTSOMUCH THE US-ALLIES.

and

* JAPAN TIMES > COMMENTARY: PACIFIC DREAMING IN MOSCOW.

Salvation for Pudgy???

Does DARTH VLAD/VLADVEDEV = OWG CO-SUPERPOWER RISING RUSSIA have the NATIONAL WILL + RESOURCES + STABLE ECON, ETC. to be able to confront fellow OWG CO-SUPERPOWER RISING CHINA OVER NORTH KOREA + OTHER IN EAST ASIA-PACIFIC, + WHILE RUSSIA IS STILL HEAVILY TIED UP ON ITS WESTERN SIDE???

Pugdy = NOKOR is walking a dangerous, poten EXISTENTIAL tightrope by trying to accomplish several parallel agendas at same time.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2016-01-06 23:14|| 2016-01-06 23:14|| Front Page Top

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