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2016-01-17 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by swksvolFF 2016-01-17 12:30|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Very nice.

Posted by badanov 2016-01-17 14:10|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2016-01-17 14:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks. A couple topics Champlain/Mr. Fischer note concerning the linked print (link in the text, main link to Amazon):

These Indians did not like each other. At all. The way they treated their captives suggests a generational struggle. Champlain lived and fought through the Religious Wars where Mr. Fischer notes somewhere between 2 and 4 million were killed, and he is appalled by his ally's behavior, and it was explained that is how both sides treat captives.

Second, the battle formation of the Indians. I would best describe it as olde Greek. We are used to Indians being depicted as owls swooping to forest onto mice. In a land unvisited by Europeans and gunpowder unheard of, they line up abreast with the leaders out front and charge.

That is Champlain + 2 French and 60 allies vs. 200 Mohawk sallying from their wood fort. One can imagine the image of this short white fellow in color and armor standing by himself and suddenly putting shots into the Mohawk leaders, then Champlain's two buddies firing from concealment, and the book goes into detail, the confusion created really on both sides.

Like him or hate him, the man was phenomenal. An amazing amount of time at sea, including some 23 (?) voyages across the Atlantic and back, losing only one ship in his command ever, and that was because the Captain panicked in a storm, Champlain took command and beached it. Everyone survived.

And I was taught in school Champlain was some French Jesus who went to live among the Indians to prepare them against the coming European savages destined to disorder the amiable love circle of Indians, and showed that by living with love and rejecting the virus of European war different people can live side by side with lollypops and sugar canes. Mr. Fischer tells Champlain's odyssey as a story, not the conquest of a saint or a warmonger.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-01-17 16:42|| 2016-01-17 16:42|| Front Page Top

#3 The United States, specifically the English colonies, were populated by numerous peoples who fled their respective local persecutions and violence of what was then a very unstable Europe.

First muster Dec. 13, 1636

When minutes count, the King's men were weeks/months away.

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