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2016-04-13 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Jereting Elmogum5695 2016-04-13 08:41|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 Trumps appeal lies in the fact that the politicians Republicans have sent to Washington for the past thirty years have been pretend conservatives, who've betrayed them as soon as they've unpacked at the Watergate.

Nobody really cares what Trump's politix are now. The important thing is that he's not a politician.

I don't think Republicans are getting happier watching the convolutions the establishment's going through opposing Trump.

Posted by Fred 2016-04-13 09:54|| 2016-04-13 09:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Maybe because no one has expressed the desire to be the voice and champion of a large group of people who've been abandoned by both parties in words and deeds. You are looking at fundamental tribal affiliations. You are looking at people who actually see they've been screwed over for everybody else's demands. They're not expressing it specifically, but they're testing the system to see if this still is a democracy (a government in the interest of the majority) or something else. These are the people you demand 'die on that hill' for your power and money. You'll find out you're the nihilist when they decide they're not going to make such sacrifices and everything starts to implode.

Posted by Procopius2k 2016-04-13 09:55|| 2016-04-13 09:55|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't think Republicans are getting happier watching the convolutions the establishment's going through opposing Trump.
Posted by Fred

Yes, it serves as a confirmation of what we've all suspected or known for years, possibly many years.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-04-13 10:15|| 2016-04-13 10:15|| Front Page Top

#4 Well said Proc. Well said.

Also some of it is because Trump is not 'politically correct' and does not dance the tune the media loves to play them to.

People are tired of 2% of the population dictating that women have to share their restroom facilities with potential perverts and rapist simply because a minuscule number of people 'feel like they are women'. Or that 2% of the population can force people to participate in religious ceremonies which they find deeply offensive or lose their livelihood.

And anyone, anyone, who will stand against that kind of bullshit, even Trump, would seem appealing.

Posted by CrazyFool 2016-04-13 10:26|| 2016-04-13 10:26|| Front Page Top

#5 I believe Trumps support comes from the fact that both parties pushed for free trade with the knowledge it would guy manufacturing and other blue-collar jobs but then did nothing serious to replace those jobs. Then redifined unemployment to hide the numbers.

Trump went from a joke to a serious candidate when he talked about protecting American jobs. The white poor heard beyond the wall and understood he was standing for them and love him for it.

Posted by rjschwarz 2016-04-13 10:39|| 2016-04-13 10:39|| Front Page Top

#6 VDH could've saved a lot of effort and simply gone with this:

In sum, the white lower and middle classes are angry, and they are tired of being blamed for the unhappiness of other tribes. In our world, in which uncouth tribal leaders can say almost anything, these whites wanted their own Sharpton or Ramos, and finally got him with Donald J. Trump. As is true of most revolutionary movements, the aggrieved are not as angry at their perceived opponents as they are contemptuous at the enablers of them.

The irony is that it appeared in the National Review.

Posted by Pappy 2016-04-13 11:52|| 2016-04-13 11:52|| Front Page Top

#7 I think it's less about free trade per se than people think. The average manufacturing business in the US is subject to a multitude of "backwards tariffs" starting with the various carbon taxes and going on from there, and then the displaced workers are told that it's because of Free Trade and their inferior competitive advantage, while Obama and now Hillary ran or are running on putting more entire industries out of business.

When you've sworn to put coal plants and coke plants out of business you've sworn to put what's left of the steel business out of business, and the knock-on effects put anyone who makes anything out of anything in this country at a severe disadvantage.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2016-04-13 12:09|| 2016-04-13 12:09|| Front Page Top

#8 It seems to me it's not so much that all those who claimed to be conservative got to Washington and threw off their masks, but that when they got there they were not a moajority even in their own party, and had to make compromises to get anything done. We are in a transition period, as the increased fiscal and somewhat social comservatism of most of the country works its way up from local and state political control to the federal level, which is why so many Republican politicians are so much younger than their Democratic counterparts. Note, this also means the older Democratic and more centrist Republican politicians have experience the conservative youngsters lack, and are therefore better at accomplishing their goals... for a while, at least.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-04-13 12:17|| 2016-04-13 12:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Trump is an idiot. His words prove it out. Anyone voting for or supporting him should be asking themselves why. I have a feeling most of the support is that they want a wrecking ball taken to DC and the eternal insiders there from both parties.

The problem is, supporting Trump is akin to throwing a tantrum, not thinking and acting rationally. Its a purely emotional response, all about your feelings, your anger.

Isnt this what people criticized Obama voters for - voting emotionally, failing to examine thoroughly the candidate and his obvious flaws? Doing things like doxxing delegates and sending the death threats because Trump's henchmen called them Gestapo?

If you support Trump, you are part of the problem. You're stuck on stupid. You need to examine the real stances fo the remaining candidates, the performance of these candidates in office, and on the campaign trail, and actually use your brain.

Don't do stupid things because you are so angry that it clouds your judgement.

Posted by Sheba Glirong2372 2016-04-13 13:50|| 2016-04-13 13:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Fed, don't drag this place into the sewers of Trumpkin land. Do you truly support a man who likes political opponents to the Gestapo, who killed millions? Who consistently attracts and tacitly condones threats of violence against political opponents? Who whines about a delegate system whose rules were open for all to see - and then whines about being out thought and out hustled by his opponent when its Trumps own failure to do the same that cause him to lose delegates?

Wake up - there is adult work to be done.

Posted by Varmint Poodle8489 2016-04-13 13:51|| 2016-04-13 13:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Both parties are in revolt. This is a test, absolutely. It this was any other country but America there would be a violent revolution. For the moment, our revolution is through the democratic process. If the republican party is dumb enough to play with the rules and remove the guy who has the popular vote by the people and play the delegate game all bets are off. I am tired of being called the problem in America. I served this nation for almost 30 years. Payed all my taxes without shelters and other dodging crap. Now I'm a bigot because of the color of my skin and no matter what I do I can't change that. I also seem to need to pay reparations for slaves. Wake the hell up, I'll have no part of that. My Irish relative came to the USA as indentured servants, white slaves baby, where the men in my family served, fought and some died fighting in he Penn artillary, so I owe no one! My Republican Party has approved every Obama agenda item. They are traitors. They all need to go and the folks inside the beltway need to come visit those that are paying for their greed and corrupt deals. Yes I'm pissed and DC needs a full housecleaning, to include the staffs and the rest of those that don't seem to realize they are destroying our nation. Most third world countries have more integrity than the whole of DC combined. And all the 300 pound brains in DC need to realize I am a moderate out here in the flyover states. It will get very ugly if they play too many more games.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-04-13 14:02|| 2016-04-13 14:02|| Front Page Top

#12 #10 In short, Trump runs his compaign exactly as Dems do?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-04-13 14:02|| 2016-04-13 14:02|| Front Page Top

#13 Jeb Bush, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Baraq Obama, Lindsey Graham, Xi Jinping, Vicente Fox, Whoopi Goldberg and on and on and on.
He's pissing off all the right people. I can't think of any better reason to vote for the guy.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-04-13 14:11|| 2016-04-13 14:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Oooops! How could I forget? Glen Beck!

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-04-13 14:12|| 2016-04-13 14:12|| Front Page Top

#15 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

When I read to the bottom of the article there was a little pop up window in which the National Review says "We need your help." Sorry. I think I'll save the money for Rantburg!

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-04-13 14:32|| 2016-04-13 14:32|| Front Page Top

#16 VDH's comparison of Trump and Sharpton is spot on - they're both obnoxious grievance hustlers. And the fact that both of their respective supporters care less about their irrational policies and more about their inflammatory comments is testament. Or maybe it's just because their both a couple of big goverment A-holes from NYC?

Posted by DepotGuy 2016-04-13 14:51|| 2016-04-13 14:51|| Front Page Top

#17 Actually I am comfortably middle class (arguably upper middle class) and I like Trump a lot, simply because he likes America and wants to make it great again. Can the same be said of Crash and Bern?

Posted by regular joe 2016-04-13 14:59|| 2016-04-13 14:59|| Front Page Top

#18 Varmint Poodle8489, your so called "adults" have been doing the work for several decades now. That's why we have $20 trillion federal debt, an epidemic of heroin addiction, a culture that thinks our Mexican border should be left undefended, political correctness that is really an effort to curb free speech, outsourcing, H1Bs, unemployment that is so high the government doesn't dare report it accurately, a Middle East in chaos, an Arab invasion of Europe, terror attacks in Europe, terror attacks in America. Your so called adults are killing us. When something is so obviously not working it's time to try something else.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-04-13 15:01|| 2016-04-13 15:01|| Front Page Top

#19 SG, so I'm stuck on stupid? My first comment is fuck you. But that would be inappropriate. So I am a 55 year old veteran, stuck on stupid. I raised a wonderful family, stuck on stupid, paid my bills, taxes, ran an orphanage, stuck on stupid. Served in three different combat zones, stuck on stupid. And what I want is my vote to count, not some prearranged rule designed to end run the voter who is stuck on stupid. I want my government to act responsibility, balance the budget, and provide for the defense of our great nation. But I guess I am stuck on stupid for choosing the only candidate that wants the same thing. Next time you decide to call me a fucking idiot you should get past your tantrum and emotions and understand who you are calling fucking stupid, you attitude IS the problem. Just because we disagree does not mean one of us is stupid, I don't know you, I disagree with you, but I would never be as arrogant to as to call you stuck on stupid

Posted by 49 pan 2016-04-13 16:05|| 2016-04-13 16:05|| Front Page Top

#20 TW, before I get the ok don note. I went and had a snickers bar and I feel better now. Sorry.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-04-13 16:41|| 2016-04-13 16:41|| Front Page Top

#21 Think you two are yelling at the same macro-bot. Except could not spell Fred correctly this time.

Fred, did you sell out to Mistress Peterson, you sunovabich!

Personally, I don't think it was either Trump or Cruz's group which snuck into the other's camp and doused the fire with gasoline..not initially at least. I think the establishment knew they would have to be even more obviously voting along D lines then now with either of these two fellows, so they tried to get them to knock each other out while a good ole boy was still in the race.

Don't laugh; did something like that out here Milton Wolf vs. Pat Roberts.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-04-13 17:04|| 2016-04-13 17:04|| Front Page Top

#22 49 Pan, "I want my government to act responsibility, balance the budget, and provide for the defense of our great nation. But I guess I am stuck on stupid for choosing the only candidate that wants the same thing."

That describes Cruz as well

Posted by rjschwarz 2016-04-13 17:23|| 2016-04-13 17:23|| Front Page Top

#23 Rj, you might be right. Im not sure about Cruz. Might be just me. He seems to pander to the far right. Might be just a little to far for me. I like the tea party, but I'll admit I just can't pin what it is about him I don't like. If he were to win the convention with the popular vote supporting him I would support him. If he gets it without that I can not support him. America will be just like every other soviet nation. Vote how you want but we will tell you who to vote for and will change the rules to get what party leaders want in spite of the voters.

On the dem side I see the same thing. The deme are so tired of the clintons that they will support a socialist/communist. People are tired of business as usual in DC. Maybe 4 years of trump will get congress to realize our opinions matter.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-04-13 17:41|| 2016-04-13 17:41|| Front Page Top

#24 Isnt this what people criticized Obama voters for - voting emotionally, failing to examine thoroughly the candidate and his obvious flaws?

Obama has succeeded quite handsomely in his attempt to "fundamentally transform" America, thanks in no small part to that emotional support.

Perhaps the GOP rank and file has come to the conclusion that sweet reason and Marquess of Queensberry rules aren't the best way to fight back.

Posted by charger 2016-04-13 17:49|| 2016-04-13 17:49|| Front Page Top

#25 I just can't pin what it is about him I don't like

Yep.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2016-04-13 18:01|| 2016-04-13 18:01|| Front Page Top

#26 went and had a snickers bar and I feel better now. Sorry.

Forgiven, dear 49 Pan. If it helps, swksvolFF correctly noted that Varmint Poodle8489 and Sheba Glirong2372 are the same person, and he is definitely trying to get your goat. I've been away from the computer, or I would have deleted his posts. But y'all have been chewing on him, so perhaps it's just as well.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-04-13 19:13|| 2016-04-13 19:13|| Front Page Top

#27 TW, had a tough day. Mere making me not want to tolerate some folks. Chewing on that one was a bit satisfying Hope your doing well!

Posted by 49 pan 2016-04-13 19:40|| 2016-04-13 19:40|| Front Page Top

#28 The stupid thing to do is to believe that any candidate supported by the DNC or the RNC will yield different results once elected.

Posted by Airandee 2016-04-13 20:06|| 2016-04-13 20:06|| Front Page Top

#29 This is my humble, but semi scientific opinion, for what it is worth.

The whole election has evolved to Kabuki Theater. Donald Trump, whether you like him, disdain him, or hate him, superman or fraud, is the only person that is shaking up the establishment parties.

These parties dem and pub, want the status quo. They will maintain power and control of the money by ANY MEANS necessary. Whether to smear Trump, play their insane rules, fix the election, cancel the election, go after the threat with prejudice. Trump's candidacy is an existential threat to their position of power. We are talking TRILLIONS of dollars here.

On top of that NOBODY talks about the runaway government debt, and the existential threat it poses to our existence as a country. Many great nations and empires have collapsed just the same way. ~~Axe~~ Ask Louis XVI about how overbearing taxation worked out for him.

This country, with few exceptions, has transitioned power without bloodshed. Now you have an electorate that feels used, betrayed, and robbed. How polite for how long will they remain?

We have one last chance to do it right. If we do not, then all bets are off. The government will go bankrupt and collapse, but on the way they will do and take anything to keep the status quo---for them.

What will you do when that happens? Do you have a plan B? This country is in an existential crisis. The crisis will be resolved one way or another. It may or may not be to your liking.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-04-13 21:24|| 2016-04-13 21:24|| Front Page Top

#30 And my opinion as well AP, and my opinion as well.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-04-13 22:25|| 2016-04-13 22:25|| Front Page Top

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