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2016-07-22 Europe
Terror attack in Munich
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Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:02|| || Front Page|| [15 views ]  Top

#1 Police confirms several people killed, many wounded. Killer on the large, U-Bahn traffic in the area stopped, helicopters buzzing around everywhere.

I'm safe btw.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:17||   2016-07-22 13:17|| Front Page Top

#2 U-Bahn traffic completely stopped now
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:24||   2016-07-22 13:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Police says several shooters
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:25||   2016-07-22 13:25|| Front Page Top

#4 15 killed
Posted by Skidmark 2016-07-22 13:29||   2016-07-22 13:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Merkel is finished. I would not be surprised if she does not immediately resign. The Germans will NOT stand for this.
Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 13:33||   2016-07-22 13:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Has anyone condemned the backlash yet?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2016-07-22 13:33||   2016-07-22 13:33|| Front Page Top

#7 We're getting unconfirmed reports about shootings on Munich's hub Stachus, that's VERY CLOSE to where I live. Police urges people to stay home, taxi drivers must not take passengers.

Note that close to the shopping mall there's a major festival going on.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:33||   2016-07-22 13:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Stay in doors EC, keep your H&K handy.
Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 13:34||   2016-07-22 13:34|| Front Page Top

#9 Unconfirmed (but several) reports about shooting at McDonalds on Stacus.

Streets are almost empty now.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:39||   2016-07-22 13:39|| Front Page Top

#10 Please stay safe SC. I'm sure like many Rantburgers here, we'd happily loan you guns to defend yourself if we could:S

Will add you and your family to our prayers.
Posted by Silentbrick 2016-07-22 13:41||   2016-07-22 13:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Don't worry, as a hunter I have a license. They won't make it if they come near.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:42||   2016-07-22 13:42|| Front Page Top

#12 hopefully you won't have to use it EC. I expect doing so would result in all sorts of needless paperwork.

Best of Luck.
Posted by CrazyFool 2016-07-22 13:46||   2016-07-22 13:46|| Front Page Top

#13 EC hope you have a gun dog too -- that way you'll have sufficient notice to shoot them from a sporting distance.
Posted by regular joe 2016-07-22 13:50||   2016-07-22 13:50|| Front Page Top

#14 OK, it's not the McDonalds at Stachus but at the Shopping Mall.

The killers are reported to have fled by getting on the U-Bahn. This might explain the reports coming from the inner city.

I can confirm that people from the mahor city squares have taken refuge in shops as nobody know what's going on.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:50||   2016-07-22 13:50|| Front Page Top

#15 Second shooting at Metro Station?
Posted by Frank G 2016-07-22 13:51||   2016-07-22 13:51|| Front Page Top

#16 All our news sites are updating, but none are as informative as European Conservative's reports -- herzlichen Dank!

The Local - Germany also has locals reporting.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 13:55||   2016-07-22 13:55|| Front Page Top

#17 I have this at hand
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 13:58||   2016-07-22 13:58|| Front Page Top

#18 That's pretty, European Conservative. Here's hoping you won't need to use it.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 14:06||   2016-07-22 14:06|| Front Page Top

#19 I wouldn't mind...
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:07||   2016-07-22 14:07|| Front Page Top

#20 Here is Jesters Internet AWACS page
Posted by newc 2016-07-22 14:09||   2016-07-22 14:09|| Front Page Top

#21 Rumors about Stachus are sometimes refuted, but I see one police car after another rushing by. Police helicopter almost right above.

The shopping mall is NOT in the center, so what is all the police doing here?
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:11||   2016-07-22 14:11|| Front Page Top

#22 Has anyone condemned the backlash yet?

Yesterday.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-07-22 14:12||   2016-07-22 14:12|| Front Page Top

#23 More love. They need more LOVE !
Posted by gorb 2016-07-22 14:13||   2016-07-22 14:13|| Front Page Top

#24 I'll take care of the love
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:14||   2016-07-22 14:14|| Front Page Top

#25 Don't get cocky EC - they like exploding more than they like shooting.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-07-22 14:19||   2016-07-22 14:19|| Front Page Top

#26 From The Local as of a few minutes ago:

Authorities have confirmed three deaths after a shooting at a shopping mall in northern Munich in which three attackers appear to have been involved.

20.07: Police are giving more details on the attack on Facebook.

At 5.50 pm eyewitnesses started calling police. The shooting started in Hanauer Straße, then Riesstraße then Olympia Einkaufszentrum. Witnesses reported three people with firearms.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 14:26||   2016-07-22 14:26|| Front Page Top

#27 Police now using the word "Terrorverdacht", no longer "Amoklauf".

Things are getting quieter in the inner city. helicopter is gone, few police sirens now. Almost eerily quiet now.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:32||   2016-07-22 14:32|| Front Page Top

#28 I would not be surprised if she does not immediately resign.

I would not be surprised either.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-07-22 14:34||   2016-07-22 14:34|| Front Page Top

#29 All public transport stopped. Munich Central Station evacuated, no trains.

Oh great, the helicopter is back.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:34||   2016-07-22 14:34|| Front Page Top

#30 How long will it take them to check the Mosque's for the shooters you think?
Posted by Charles 2016-07-22 14:50||   2016-07-22 14:50|| Front Page Top

#31 Baraq Obama wants European style gun control for America.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-07-22 14:50||   2016-07-22 14:50|| Front Page Top

#32 Anti terror unit GSG9 moving into Munich, hunt for killers is on, problem is they might have fled with other people into the high rise apartment buildings nearby, which makes opendoors problematic.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 14:56||   2016-07-22 14:56|| Front Page Top

#33 Official wording is "Akute Terrorlage"
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:00||   2016-07-22 15:00|| Front Page Top

#34 Weapons are reported as "Langwaffen". Could be rifles but also AK-47
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:07||   2016-07-22 15:07|| Front Page Top

#35 European Conservative: Be safe. Keep your weapon hidden from police. They will be very on edge from seeing ANY weapon and will assume one with a weapon as a bad guy.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-07-22 15:25||   2016-07-22 15:25|| Front Page Top

#36 ESPECIALLY through a window.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-07-22 15:29||   2016-07-22 15:29|| Front Page Top

#37 6 dead confirmed now.

Don't worry Alaska Paul, I'm not stupid.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:34||   2016-07-22 15:34|| Front Page Top

#38 Thanks for the best coverage on the internet. Stay safe.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2016-07-22 15:35||   2016-07-22 15:35|| Front Page Top

#39 Obama - "The Munich police acted stupidly..."
Posted by Raj 2016-07-22 15:37||   2016-07-22 15:37|| Front Page Top

#40 TZ has been providing good updates and a map (in German).
Posted by Former European 2016-07-22 15:38||   2016-07-22 15:38|| Front Page Top

#41 Rumor is that one of the attackers killed himself to avoid capture.
Posted by Former European 2016-07-22 15:41||   2016-07-22 15:41|| Front Page Top

#42 Contrary to what is reported Munich police info has not been stellar.

It should have been quite easy to verify the situation in the center of Munich. No info was forthcoming.

There's a strange second video footage with a verbal altercation between an - obviously - Bavarian guy addressing one shooter from a balcony as "asshole" and the shooter replying "I'm German. I have been in treatment".
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:43||   2016-07-22 15:43|| Front Page Top

#43 I do like your Mauser, EC!
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-07-22 15:44||   2016-07-22 15:44|| Front Page Top

#44 I absolutely recommend it AK. Very versatile, absolutely reliable.

Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:51||   2016-07-22 15:51|| Front Page Top

#45 Perfect for deer and wild boar hunting
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 15:56||   2016-07-22 15:56|| Front Page Top

#46 #5 Mr. B: "The Germans will NOT stand for this."

They have so far . . . . >:-(


EC - I'm glad you're OK. Thanks for the reports.
Posted by Barbara 2016-07-22 15:57||   2016-07-22 15:57|| Front Page Top

#47 Thank you for the link, Former European. Welcome to the conversation!
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 16:11||   2016-07-22 16:11|| Front Page Top

#48 EC---Any way to put the heat on Merkel to resign with out oneself going to jail? This situation is insane.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-07-22 16:17||   2016-07-22 16:17|| Front Page Top

#49 Thanks Barbara. Somehow I knew this day would be coming.

Btw nothing from Frau Merkel yet.
Munich hospital reports seriously wounded children.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 16:19||   2016-07-22 16:19|| Front Page Top

#50 "I'm German. I have been in treatment"

WTF?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2016-07-22 16:32||   2016-07-22 16:32|| Front Page Top

#51 8 dead confirmed, probably 9.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 16:39||   2016-07-22 16:39|| Front Page Top

#52 Might be some thing new under the sun?
Did the fella screech Gott Mit Uns or something.

Calling muzz pr
Posted by Shipman 2016-07-22 16:45||   2016-07-22 16:45|| Front Page Top

#53 That thing started 5 hours ago, and NOTHING from Merkel.

Hell BHO commented hours ago.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 16:47||   2016-07-22 16:47|| Front Page Top

#54 Death toll at 11 now
Posted by newc 2016-07-22 17:05||   2016-07-22 17:05|| Front Page Top

#55 I've analyzed the footage numerous times. At least the shooter on the parking lot doesn't sound like an Islamist.

He's insulted by an Bavarian from a balcony as a "Scheiss-Kanake" and replies he's born in Germany. We hear the word Hartz IV (stands for receiving social benefits). Also says he's been in treatment. Had to buy a weapon.

No eyewitness has reported Allahu akbars.

One man has been found dead 1 km away from the scene, maybe the only (?) shooter?

It's getting very murky.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 17:07||   2016-07-22 17:07|| Front Page Top

#56 Daesh uses Foreign Nationals.
Posted by newc 2016-07-22 17:18||   2016-07-22 17:18|| Front Page Top

#57 No eyewitness has reported Allahu akbars.
Not according to CNN, it appears the foreign media and US Fox news is suppressing this.
A woman named Lauretta told CNN she was in a McDonald's across the street from the mall when a man with a gun came out of a bathroom and began shooting.

"I come out of the toilet and I hear like an alarm, boom, boom, boom," she told CNN's Dugald McConnell. "He's killing the children (...) The children were sitting to eat. They can't run."

Loretta said the gunman was right behind her but had his back to her. She sd her 8-year-old son had been in the bathroom with the shooter, whom she described as heavyset and wearing dark clothing. She said the man yelled "Allahu akbar!"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting-live-updates/index.html
and another
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_qXB6UAAAKpDq.jpg
Posted by Cherenter Flitch3456 2016-07-22 17:46||   2016-07-22 17:46|| Front Page Top

#58 Here is your obligatory Alluah Akbar
Posted by Newc 2016-07-22 17:48||   2016-07-22 17:48|| Front Page Top

#59 From The Local again:

23.00: BR are reporting that ninth body which is male is probably that of a gunman. He reportedly has a red rucksack with him. Police are approaching with extreme caution as they don't know what is in bag

Also, now at least one gunman is being claimed as opposed to three, and only one site involved instead of three.

CNN quotes a witness at the McDonalds across from the mall who claimed to be Muslim and that she heard the gunaman say "Allahu Akhbar" when he came out of the bathroom and started shooting the children eating there.

At this point I await something more definitive. There are also insane Germans, murderous people on both the far right and far left
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 17:52||   2016-07-22 17:52|| Front Page Top

#60 PC brings out victimization and lack of responsibility. From there you get every nutcase coming out of the woodwork.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-07-22 17:54||   2016-07-22 17:54|| Front Page Top

#61 Cherenter Flitch3456 beat me to the CNN report, and has the actual quote. Well done!
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 17:55||   2016-07-22 17:55|| Front Page Top

#62 Munich police would certainly want to contact that witness.

I may be wrong but currently things are pointing to only one - and now dead - deranged gunman with psychological problems.

But let's see what the night brings. Traffic is resuming in the inner city.

Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 17:56||   2016-07-22 17:56|| Front Page Top

#63 I do start to wonder what authorities really know. I'm well connected but whenever "Islamist motivation" comes up I run against al wall.

and COWARD Merkel is nowhere to be seen and heard. She lets her chief of staff do the talking and NO journalist asks what she is doing.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 18:04||   2016-07-22 18:04|| Front Page Top

#64 I'm most interested in the phenomena of fewer final shooters and fewer victims. No official source wants to say 'some got away'. I wonder how many single shooter scenarios there really are.
Posted by Skidmark 2016-07-22 18:41||   2016-07-22 18:41|| Front Page Top

#65 Merkel
Posted by Skidmark 2016-07-22 18:47||   2016-07-22 18:47|| Front Page Top

#66 Well done Cherenter Flitch.
Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 18:53||   2016-07-22 18:53|| Front Page Top

#67 ZH transcript of exchange between Balcony Man and Shooter

I'd infer he is a 2nd generation muslim immigrant.
Posted by phil_b 2016-07-22 19:31||   2016-07-22 19:31|| Front Page Top

#68 OK Munich police just said there was only ONE shooter who killed himself on the run.

Given the circumstances this probably was not an Islamist attack (jury is still out on that one), but a seriously deranged person with a handgun (no AK47) shooting people in the head.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 19:45||   2016-07-22 19:45|| Front Page Top

#69 Just in time for Hillary to announce her VP now.
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 19:47||   2016-07-22 19:47|| Front Page Top

#70 Uh oh

"18-jähriger Deutsch-Iraner" (18yo German-Iranian)
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 20:24||   2016-07-22 20:24|| Front Page Top

#71 Or rather German-Algerian
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 20:29||   2016-07-22 20:29|| Front Page Top

#72 Oh, well, then. Must be a right-wing extremist.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2016-07-22 20:30||   2016-07-22 20:30|| Front Page Top

#73 nope Iranian
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 20:31||   2016-07-22 20:31|| Front Page Top

#74 flash radicalization...
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 20:32||   2016-07-22 20:32|| Front Page Top

#75 Interesting. I met an Iranian in Germany in the early 1990s, sent there by her government to study at the university. She was one of many, she said, with many undefined. Apparently some married and stayed on.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-07-22 20:32||   2016-07-22 20:32|| Front Page Top

#76 Or rather German-Algerian
Posted by European Conservative

Lovely !
Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 20:43||   2016-07-22 20:43|| Front Page Top

#77 The Algerian was mistranslated by CNN, he has double nationality German and Iranian.

In the balcony scene he claims to have been born in Germany
Posted by European Conservative 2016-07-22 20:46||   2016-07-22 20:46|| Front Page Top

#78 While the media doesn't differentiate, this would be the first Shiia terror attack in the West in recent years. Unless he was a Sunni convert or an Arab from Khuzestan or even a Kurd.
Posted by phil_b 2016-07-22 20:49||   2016-07-22 20:49|| Front Page Top

#79  This case will market down as a safety Check, and intelligence gathering operation
Posted by Newc 2016-07-22 20:53||   2016-07-22 20:53|| Front Page Top

#80 Find the mosque, and they find the motivation.
Posted by Mugsy Glink 2016-07-22 21:05||   2016-07-22 21:05|| Front Page Top

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