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2016-08-29 Science & Technology
The Inevitable Failure Of The US Grid
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Posted by badanov 2016-08-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ]  Top

#1 Even on a good day, long line rural delivery in TX is not.
Posted by Skidmark 2016-08-29 02:26||   2016-08-29 02:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Okay, if Delta doesn't have backup power for their HQ, I certainly wouldn't trust these clowns with my life on their planes. That sort of failure is beyond stupid. I worked for a credit card processor and not only did our HQ have back up power but back up phone lines through separate carriers so that if one carrier went down, their phones still worked.
Posted by Silentbrick 2016-08-29 02:38||   2016-08-29 02:38|| Front Page Top

#3 I've pretty much resigned myself to the idea that our government is so sure that everyone will have solar in the next 20 years that it has abdicated responsibility for taking care of the grid so they can steer the money towards servicing entitlements.
Posted by gorb 2016-08-29 03:02||   2016-08-29 03:02|| Front Page Top

#4 this infrastructure is failing

New infrastructure? Sure, in Iraq & Afghanistan --- so they'll love America.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-08-29 04:18||   2016-08-29 04:18|| Front Page Top

#5 
"Okay, if Delta doesn't have backup power for their HQ,..."


From what I read (sorry, no link) the problem occurred when Delta transferred power from the primary source (Georgia Power) to Delta's backup generators. The backup generators caught fire and the fire spread to the primary transfer point, thus knocking out both primary and backup.

Posted by Chuck  2016-08-29 04:59||   2016-08-29 04:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Cities to be hardest hit. How's that NIMBY working for you beautiful people and your environment?
Posted by Procopius2k 2016-08-29 08:27||   2016-08-29 08:27|| Front Page Top

#7 If you have not, see Season 1, Episode 1: The Trigger Effect, of Connections.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-08-29 09:21||   2016-08-29 09:21|| Front Page Top

#8 Okay, if Delta doesn't have backup power for their HQ, I certainly wouldn't trust these clowns with my life on their planes.

Exactly. No excuses. This was Delta's failure. You have backup generators and from time to time you test those generators. Not only that but you have remote, standby data centers where your database is replicated so when your primary data center goes offline your remote data center automatically goes online. Delta's CIO needs to be sacked and while they're at it the shareholders should demand the ouster of the CEO as well.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-08-29 12:58||   2016-08-29 12:58|| Front Page Top

#9 As Frank Borman is alleged to have said "a stain on the carpet implies bad maintenance"

Sorta like Van Halen and the M&Ms.
Posted by Shipman 2016-08-29 15:02||   2016-08-29 15:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Heisting Delta's old marketing slogan regarding the burnt up generators:
"We love to fry, and it shows..."
Posted by USN, Ret. 2016-08-29 15:22||   2016-08-29 15:22|| Front Page Top

#11 United States suffers more blackouts than any other developed country in the world.

Er, because it's the biggest grid in the developed world.

The only countries of comparable size, Canada and Australia have far smaller grids reaching only a small percentage of their territory.

I hate these faux statistics.
Posted by phil_b 2016-08-29 20:55||   2016-08-29 20:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Trust me. The NIMBY factor has a LOT to do with why we haven't done a lot of major overhead grid upgrades, P2K.

Both Farmers and City folk alike.

Some folks in certain areas of the country understand the problems and actually help facilitate any improvements. They are a rarity, though.

We can upgrade power plants all day long, but when you try to feed the 'new, improved' capacity into an ancient grid and switching system, very bad things happen. Very seldom does a newer power plant run at anywhere near capacity for just that reason.

Now, just try and imagine when we suggest burying the cables into Mother Gaea.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2016-08-29 21:48||   2016-08-29 21:48|| Front Page Top

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