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2017-06-18 Britain

London's Grenfell Tower blaze killed 500 residents: Local resident

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Posted by Fred 2017-06-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top
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#1 Not being reported is the green tech impact. Insulation was highly flammable material green tech. Once ignited had a chimney stack effect and ran the building very very fast. No sprinkler system also. Adoring green tech so much will cause an under reported impact. Easier to attack a politician should the media wish to divert attention. I have been working many hours but I still can glean information or perhaps speculate. Perhaps here some could elaborate a bit more. Now at this moment I am thinking of Bright pebbles.

Posted by Dale 2017-06-18 00:53|| 2017-06-18 00:53|| Front Page Top

#2 Just starting out found this; Known fire hazard material used.

Posted by Dale 2017-06-18 00:59|| 2017-06-18 00:59|| Front Page Top

#3 It is all proof that liberals are more a threat to humanity than anything.
Green is more important than a fire alarm or sprinklers or staircases.

They incinerate people in their own living quarters. How efficient.

The liberal utopia is brighter than you ever thought. Fell that green warm, very warm love for the planet envelop you and your whole block and you will feel good about yourself as you go up in a towering inferno.

Not to be trusted with Government, the left.

Posted by newc 2017-06-18 02:02|| 2017-06-18 02:02|| Front Page Top

#4 They are going to scapegoat the contractor for this. When the fault lies with the regulator allowing flammable material to be used.

Coating the outside of a highrise with flammable material would appear to be madness. But I'll bet the reason can be traced back to the need to claim making buildings 'more energy efficient' would save money as well as saving the planet.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-18 02:30|| 2017-06-18 02:30|| Front Page Top

#5 The tenants were told to shelter in place until someone came to get them. In a structure fire, that is murder.

Long before the flames reach you two other deadly elements will reach you first and fast. 1) Smoke. Smoke from a structure fire can contain over 300 different chemical toxins replacing oxygen in the air you breath. It is like being gassed at Auschwitz, but worse. 2) Heat. The first thing that happens to your lungs when you inhale super heated air is the searing of the lungs bronschioles and cilia, the airways and balloon like clusters of tissue that absorb oxygen from the air and into the blood stream. These tissues are very fragile and sensitive and will sear and collapse very quickly. With no oxygen from the lungs you suffocate very quickly all the while area around you is heating up rapidly as well.

In hot structural fires the heat in areas may become so high that spontaneous combustion occurs in items in the room. At the same time the smoke is so intense you can put your hand a couple of inches from your face and not see it.

The bureaucrats whose jobs it is too educate newly elected officials and emergency responders of codes should also be held accountable. Many times they don't even read the codes and instead implement their own policies which are all over the map.

Posted by Jeremiah Borgia9017 2017-06-18 02:38|| 2017-06-18 02:38|| Front Page Top

#6 Residents of such buildings should put together a fund with which to bribe inspectors. Works for everybody else.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2017-06-18 07:10|| 2017-06-18 07:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Both my daughter and I are pretty certain that there were a heck of a lot more residents in the Grenfell Tower: large families, illegal sub-lets, friends crashing with friends ... so yes, I can see 600 residents. Some reports have it that there were 120 units; single bedroom, and two-bedroom. That would average out to 5 residents per unit, in a town where housing costs are out of sight.

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2017-06-18 08:15|| 2017-06-18 08:15|| Front Page Top

#8 # 7 yes, that makes sense. So much information is hidden on purpose. Journalism is dead. Seems more and more information is controlled in many parts of the world. We know governments manipulate information. I suppose people like Soros have known this for years. The elites at work always in the background or trying to be hidden. That would explain why the modern day con job is so successful(with Obama over and over again).

Posted by Dale 2017-06-18 09:25|| 2017-06-18 09:25|| Front Page Top

#9 There are government officials that need hung for this. Pure mass murder.

Posted by DarthVader 2017-06-18 10:36|| 2017-06-18 10:36|| Front Page Top

#10 Be interested in a SWKSVFF take on this.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-06-18 11:32|| 2017-06-18 11:32|| Front Page Top

#11 Can you guys please quit using weird acronyms? My feeble brain cannot figure it out. What does SWKSVFF mean?

The common internet acronyms I can figure out, but the weird 'inside only acronyms' is much more difficult to figure out.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-18 12:28|| 2017-06-18 12:28|| Front Page Top

#12 South West Kansas Volunteer Fire Fighter. A self-applied nym for one of the Rantburg commenters.

Hang around for a while and you'll pick things up. Perhaps, if you ask real nice, somebody might publish a list of nyms and acronyms.

Posted by Pappy 2017-06-18 12:47|| 2017-06-18 12:47|| Front Page Top

#13 #5 The tenants were told to shelter in place until someone came to get them.

Having worked in a couple tall office buildings (20-50 stories), standard procedure if memory serves, was to evacuate 2 floors above and two below the fire. But these were modern office buildings with sprinklers and fire stops and fire hose stations.

As for poor SCfI, if Joseph Mendiola ever shows up again, he's going to faint. Kidding aside, part of the fun of Rantburg is you get to hang around people from widely different knowledge domains, each of which comes with its own set of TLAs. (Three Letter Acronyms)

Posted by SteveS 2017-06-18 15:49|| 2017-06-18 15:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Yikes. Posted re TLA (I think it was ten) elsewhere ealier, only to tune back in to find this had already been posted. Just what the doctor ordered... more grist for MOABAFC theory (most or all 'burgers are Fred's characters (possibly to include self)).

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-06-18 17:23|| 2017-06-18 17:23|| Front Page Top

#15 Oops. All except Joe, I should've added.

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-06-18 17:35|| 2017-06-18 17:35|| Front Page Top

#16 Rumor has it Joe M has been permantly grounded.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-06-18 18:56|| 2017-06-18 18:56|| Front Page Top

#17 The Daily Mail has photos from inside the building here.

Posted by trailing wife 2017-06-18 19:59|| 2017-06-18 19:59|| Front Page Top

#18 The people who need hanging are the AGW agitators who pushed the government into this scheme. Originated by the Blair government BTW.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-18 20:24|| 2017-06-18 20:24|| Front Page Top

#19 Ha ha Cute!

I'll start a list of Rantberg acronyms and in time give it to a mod to post on the side bar when I have enough. Hopefully one or more of the mods will be willing to add to it.

I'm not including the most common internet avronyms because anyone can easily look them up on the internet. Only the weird Rantberg ones.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-06-18 20:43|| 2017-06-18 20:43|| Front Page Top

#20 If the Daily Mail is correct, the cladding used was only legal for low rise buildings, and not highrises.

What happens when these schemes are dreamed up is that demand suddenly far exceeds existing supply (experienced contractors in this case) and much of the work is done by people with little experience and often outright cowboys.

Which is what happened in Australia when a roof insulation program was brought in that resulted in a number of deaths.

Posted by phil_b 2017-06-18 21:03|| 2017-06-18 21:03|| Front Page Top

#21 Rantburg, weird?

Posted by Skidmark 2017-06-18 21:45|| 2017-06-18 21:45|| Front Page Top

#22 Jeremiah Borgia9017 described the danger very well.

Not much you could add to that entry without getting really technical.

I found somewhere else confirming the 'shelter in place' order had been given these residents.

Agreed, it's murder. Don't let them tell you differently, no matter how much the bureaucrats and the media will try.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2017-06-18 22:25|| 2017-06-18 22:25|| Front Page Top

#23 grounded

Some say that he's gone. Have they shown us?
And surely they carry that onus?
So pardon my hesitance.
Absent more evidence,
Over to you, Taotamonas!

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-06-18 22:51|| 2017-06-18 22:51|| Front Page Top

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