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2017-10-04 -Lurid Crime Tales-

EXTREMELY Graphic Photo Emerges Appearing To Show Deceased Vegas Killer Stephen Paddock

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Posted by Anomalous Sources 2017-10-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Sherriff Lombardo: Stephen Paddock "may have been radicalized".

Posted by Hupeting Sforza8196 2017-10-04 00:25|| 2017-10-04 00:25|| Front Page Top

#2 Tennessee: "He used cameras."

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-04 00:28|| 2017-10-04 00:28|| Front Page Top

#3 "EXTREMELY Graphic Photo..."

works for me...

Posted by Grampaw Snonter9482 2017-10-04 01:30|| 2017-10-04 01:30|| Front Page Top

#4 527 injured is a lot. Was this only from the shots or does this include injuries from the stampede to get away.

The hit rate seems to be phenomenally high for someone that supposedly knew little about guns.

This whole thing seems to be straight from bizzaro world.

Posted by AlanC 2017-10-04 08:21|| 2017-10-04 08:21|| Front Page Top

#5 Considering there were an estimated 22,000 in attendance and they were packed in like sardines...
and assuming all 580+ injured/dead were from the gunman...

That only gives a 2.7% hit rate.

Pretty pathetic.

Posted by DarthVader 2017-10-04 10:12|| 2017-10-04 10:12|| Front Page Top

#6 From the videos/audios, I estimate that he fired 1,000 to 1,200 bullets which makes his hit rate on bullets fired about 50%

Posted by Peter Carroll 2017-10-04 10:41|| 2017-10-04 10:41|| Front Page Top

#7 Current Drudge headline says there was a room service order for two. Ummm...two windows broken out..

Posted by Mugsy Glink 2017-10-04 11:08|| 2017-10-04 11:08|| Front Page Top

#8 As posted yesterday, two bedroom suite, two windows at far ends of the suite broken out, room service for two, long delay between initial 10-12 minutes of gunfire and SWAT entry, proximity to stairwell, Filipino girlfriend in Philippines (Mindinao perhaps) ISIS Vegas threat in June, twice ISIS claim of affiliation. And now LV sheriff wonders about radicalization while we learn about Filming in room (for a MartyrVideo?)
A lot Of threads and you begin to weave a carpet?

Posted by NoMoreBS 2017-10-04 11:26|| 2017-10-04 11:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Can anyone speak offhand as to the surface in front of the stage? Astroturf over asphalt, maybe? Bare asphalt further back?

Can't seem to find a decent pic now that I'm curious. Is there a (public) one stop shop?

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-10-04 11:41|| 2017-10-04 11:41|| Front Page Top

#10 Considering there were an estimated 22,000 in attendance and they were packed in like sardines...

Which is why I try to avoid crowds. Same goes for the usually large lucrative target that forms just before TSA pat-downs at airports.

hit rate on bullets fired about 50%

So better than the NYPD?

Posted by Procopius2k 2017-10-04 12:16|| 2017-10-04 12:16|| Front Page Top

#11 His and her cellphone(s) will likely reveal his motive...texts, search histories, locations...

I would imagine all the phones have been cellebrited by now. The powers that be know.

The question is when or if they will share that information. If there are others involved the would be foolish to share anytime soon.

Posted by Tennessee 2017-10-04 12:20|| 2017-10-04 12:20|| Front Page Top

#12 527 injured is a lot. Was this only from the shots or does this include injuries from the stampede to get away.

There may have been some double counting by the hospitals, AlanC. And also, I've noticed that all brought to the emergency room are counted as injured in such situations, even though most of the bruises and skinned knees are quickly cleaned up and sent home. Big numbers sell newspapers, and stiff uppper lips are so old school.

Posted by trailing wife 2017-10-04 12:42|| 2017-10-04 12:42|| Front Page Top

#13 When they are talking casualties, all I have heard is the sum, so splits between those injured by stampede and those injured by shrapnel/fragments.

Considering the attendance and venue, I doubt there were any stampede deaths; injuries do occur such as getting ribs broken against a railing.

Getting hit by fragments doesn't mean your day didn't get sucky, it did, but I would put that in a different box than actually hit by a bullet.

I'd guess asphalt ZF; putting down carpet/astro turf creates tripping problems and clean-up problems, especially if the entire area isn't covered. Now, if there was a very controlled VIP in-front section, maybe so.

Pretty elaborate plan. As for the large bets, I'd guess this had been planned for a bit, especially if there was a scrubbed assault on the dates indicated, looks like a last night out deal like the 9/11 dudes hitting the titty bar for a couple brews.

I have never done a room service where I was asked how many were dining. Could be, an order large enough for two, which does not put it outside of last meal.

Firing from multiple positions is not a new thing, but outside the day to day Joe. Same with the cameras, as Tennessee noted that is not new but out of the usual for a day to day Joe.

A lot of ins and outs for a person with no background in this sort of thing to plan out of whole cloth.

I have been gaming 2+ people but Monty Norman always starts playing.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 12:52|| 2017-10-04 12:52|| Front Page Top

#14 I was just thinking (stop laughing, dammit)... Conspiracy and drug stuff aside, what might incline an obnoxious, left-leaning, high-living ~~old~~ middle-aged dude -- confirmed civilian from a family of bank robbers -- toward automatic weapons? Could it be... De Niro?

Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2017-10-04 14:10|| 2017-10-04 14:10|| Front Page Top

#15 One does not simply break those types of windows. There is a certain way to do so which is, again, outside the day-to-day Joe's knowledge.

Touching on yesterday, I wonder if there is a window break alert. Bet there is.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 14:57|| 2017-10-04 14:57|| Front Page Top

#16 Initial reports (from one of his brothers) suggested the shtbird had a pilots license. If so things could have been far worse.

Posted by rjschwarz 2017-10-04 15:18|| 2017-10-04 15:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Yahoo news (spit spit) is running a story about a woman's I-Phone that took a bullet and saved her life. No mention of the thousands of lives lost each year to I-Phone addicts plowing into Peterbilts and Kenworths.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-10-04 15:31|| 2017-10-04 15:31|| Front Page Top

#18 So better than the NYPD?

Primary target only, or does this include alternate targets?

Posted by gorb 2017-10-04 16:10|| 2017-10-04 16:10|| Front Page Top

#19 To follow up on that Plane report, I heard he had access to ammonium nitrate. If so, we might be lucky he didn't fill his damn plane up and fly into the crowd instead.

Posted by Charles 2017-10-04 16:46|| 2017-10-04 16:46|| Front Page Top

#20 latest ?tinfoil? speculation

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2017-10-04 16:47|| 2017-10-04 16:47|| Front Page Top

#21 Graphic video of aftermath advise not watching

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2017-10-04 16:52|| 2017-10-04 16:52|| Front Page Top

#22 Filled with looters and idlers and people dying on the ground.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-04 17:32|| 2017-10-04 17:32|| Front Page Top

#23 Wonder what else happened in LV during the diversion?

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-04 17:37|| 2017-10-04 17:37|| Front Page Top

#24 No new news in the last 12 hours. It does seem a sophisticated plan for someone with no background in military planning.

Posted by phil_b 2017-10-04 18:56|| 2017-10-04 18:56|| Front Page Top

#25 It does look more like a well planned terrorist operation, than a lone nutcase who snapped.

Posted by phil_b 2017-10-04 19:06|| 2017-10-04 19:06|| Front Page Top

#26 One aspect I haven't seen discussed is that he was a compulsive gambler, and such people are as bad as drug addicts and will do almost anything for money.

Which suggests he could have been drawn into a plan where he was the patsy.

Posted by phil_b 2017-10-04 19:28|| 2017-10-04 19:28|| Front Page Top

#27 Anyone know who the guy directing traffic was? Not by name, but was he retired military, a cop, off duty cop, a doc that on set fast? A hero for sure.

Posted by Sherry 2017-10-04 19:30|| 2017-10-04 19:30|| Front Page Top

#28 @21 is no joke. Better have your responder face on to watch that.

That said, there were an amazing number of people who stuck around to help; Bless Them Mightily and guide them through their sorrows.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 19:41|| 2017-10-04 19:41|| Front Page Top

#29 Watching the PD presser on Fox.

The shooter was active for approximately 10 minutes. Let's say 1 of the 10 was devoted to non-shooting activities (Eject and reload and surveillance.) = 9 minutes = 540 seconds.

Guessing that the guns shot 4 rounds per second * 540 seconds = 2,160 rounds fired.

Casualties:
Dead (RIP): 58 (shooter doesn't get a tally)
Wounded: 515
Total: 573

Approximately 0.26 casualties per round fired.
Approximately 1 casualty per second.

Assuming my math is correct, it could have been worse.

Posted by Anomalous Sources 2017-10-04 20:44|| 2017-10-04 20:44|| Front Page Top

#30 KS, you've read the studies. Before the professionals arrive what's the ratio of active disaster responders to shell-shocked spectators in any large group?

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-04 20:47|| 2017-10-04 20:47|| Front Page Top

#31 Bump stock is an inaccurate device and the sights are for close shooting.
A hasty op with two rooms, one to divert attention and one to shift fire to change the sound.
That Hotel Guard is Hero of the Hour.

A car loaded with Tannanerite, had he left, could have parked it anywhere and set it off.

Posted by newc 2017-10-04 21:25|| 2017-10-04 21:25|| Front Page Top

#32 He had weapons enough to throw one away when it jammed. Kind of like learning to fly a plane but not land it. Two hyde positions, and hammer for the window. Camera in the cart, and in the door.

Posted by newc 2017-10-04 21:27|| 2017-10-04 21:27|| Front Page Top

#33 It appears that the shooting stopped when the hotel's security guard was shot when he tried to enter the hotel room.

Posted by si vis pacem, para bellum 2017-10-04 21:33|| 2017-10-04 21:33|| Front Page Top

#34 A car loaded with Tannanerite, had he left, could have parked it anywhere and set it off.
Posted by newc

Yes, a possible diversion permitting escape. I'm not buying the girl friend's story. She said she was "fearful of a breakup." Who 'breaks up' with anyone and wires them $100k and tells them to "buy a house for the family."

Posted by Besoeker 2017-10-04 21:46|| 2017-10-04 21:46|| Front Page Top

#35 Skid, I start at about 1:20 in ideal situations, and the further rural to urban I get, I adjust down, adjust down again close to academic areas, again for entertainment venues, and down again depending upon that venue (example movie theatre showing military vs. kids or country vs. youth pop music). Middle age to older to younger.

Of those who respond, I start at about 9/10 being effective and drop again using above dynamics, say military town vs. academic town.

Now our little deal out here we got about 1:10 with a 100% effective. Compare to my deal in (university town), graduation weekend. Driver thought the best way to make a T-bone was to run a red light. I got out and immediately started traffic control. Did initial appraisal of Vehicle A, patient 2 in drivers side was banged up on the head. Had 3 aide-de-camps. First approached and I said, "Good day fine sir, thank you for your participation, looks like we will be working together, my name is x and I am volunteer fire in west Kansas, what is your name? Very good, your occupation?"

"Nurse at the local hospital."

Splendid I thought. Perhaps I am being a bit droll, but getting everyone calm and on the same page seemed a good idea."

"Excellent. Passenger has a head injury and is bleeding. Keep passenger in her seat until the paramedics arrive. They are coming, I hear the sirens."

Goes to check Vehicle 2. Occupants are dazed but functional. Tell them to hold tight, going to check on them (the priority patient, driver was shaken but functional considering). Look over and my nurse is helping patient out of the vehicle. Crap. Other two just standing about. Crap crap.

So, academic setting, somewhat urban environment, entertainment venue, youngsters. Out of say 40 I got three, one with credentials, and wasn't effective.

I look at this situation - youngsters having a good time in an urban environment. Did I mention the goopier it gets the less aides stick about?

I used to get mad watching replays at all the people standing about doing video, then realized they would just be standing around anyways.

Sherry is correct that the guy with the camera was an effective aide-de-camp, as was everyone else in the video. Except, maybe, the what I take as a police officer or security who was not taking in the situation and getting the fucking lights on. That happens too. I have seen good comrades-in-the-shit freeze especially in car wrecks. Whatever the background of our video producer is, my take is he has seen some shit, is well trained, and in good shape, young, as are all who are in the video.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 22:19|| 2017-10-04 22:19|| Front Page Top

#36 Sorry, had to route around the filter, and for good reason.

Who 'breaks up' with anyone and wires them $100k and tells them to "buy a house for the family."

Someone with a good lawyer and/or PR team.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 22:21|| 2017-10-04 22:21|| Front Page Top

#37 Showed up in a wheelchair and no makeup if I saw it right. If not, please correct, the bullshit is coming out again.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 22:22|| 2017-10-04 22:22|| Front Page Top

#38 Not to stick a trumpet in my ass and solo Simple Gifts, but in reality of that car wreck I was aide-de-camp for when EMT/Rescue showed up, gave a quick assessment of the patients, made sure leaking fluid wasn't gasoline, traffic stayed put.

What I am getting at, is there are people who do go towards the fire for whatever their reason. And you don't have to be frikkin Bones or some crap, just directing traffic or even simply bringing coffee and snacks.

Posted by swksvolFF 2017-10-04 22:40|| 2017-10-04 22:40|| Front Page Top

#39 My point is, he was not interested in escape. Went through great lengths to get enough throw away weapons to not care, and his job with his car to hit more people.

He never planned to actually leave alive.
His job was carnage. Not accuracy, not methodology, not effectiveness. Merely a suicide mission.
And wanted to take everyone he could with little care.

It is sick,

Posted by newc 2017-10-04 22:45|| 2017-10-04 22:45|| Front Page Top

#40 Re-phrase one part. He had an ex-fil plan which is why he wanted expendable hardware and planes. But did not care either way.

Suspect he saw LEO forming and cordoning off the hotel and knew he would not get far.

So Awesome are they.

Posted by newc 2017-10-04 23:31|| 2017-10-04 23:31|| Front Page Top

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